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| 00:30.25 | marchelzo | hi folks |
| 00:31.02 | marchelzo | is this channel all about retail ui dev, or do vanilla addon devs come here too |
| 00:31.32 | bshelden | Retail only. Pirate server talk is met with hostility. |
| 00:32.16 | marchelzo | oh. do you know if there's anywhere similar to this but for private servers? |
| 00:32.33 | bshelden | That was my polite warning. I'm one of those hostile. |
| 00:33.18 | marchelzo | why? |
| 00:33.59 | bshelden | Sorry, I don't really have the bandwidth to discuss this properly. I do appreciate your asking (seriously, no sarcasm). I'm just working atm. |
| 00:36.05 | marchelzo | ok, no problem. have a good day. |
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| 00:37.37 | TheDanW | foxlit: it's to discourage scripts that intentionally run long, it's not expected to ever be hit by normal addon code |
| 00:38.46 | foxlit | why would a script intentionally run long? |
| 00:39.19 | bshelden | Routes comes to mind. |
| 00:40.18 | TheDanW | i'll leave it to your imagination :) |
| 00:41.04 | foxlit | My imagination is telling me addon authors are rather fond of their clients not freezingly randomly, and therefore try their utmost to avoid this scenario anyway. |
| 00:44.54 | foxlit | (whereas arbitrary interrupts make it more or less impossible to write sane code -- there are generally far too many "but what if the previous step of this process was interrupted at an inpportunate time?" branches.) |
| 00:46.37 | Semlar | just code optimistically and assume nothing will ever go wrong |
| 00:48.54 | foxlit | and when things inevitably do go wrong, disenchant all of Semlar's epics :) |
| 00:50.22 | Semlar | i just spent a while coding around the fact that inspection calls are throttled and you have no way of knowing when NotifyInspect is actually going to work |
| 00:51.21 | Semlar | other than calling it and seeing that nothing has happened within the expected time frame |
| 00:52.21 | znf | runs Semlar too long |
| 00:53.13 | Semlar | i just want to inspect every nameplate on screen, is that too much to ask |
| 00:53.42 | foxlit | yes; silly Semlar, inspection is for humans. |
| 00:53.52 | foxlit | in unrelated news, someone writes to _G["{B20731E1-EB20-4580-9302-89340B8EDA33}"] |
| 00:54.29 | _Kee | -- set player unit to "see yourself as ÐкзоÑÑÑÑ player" |
| 00:54.29 | _Kee | local guildName = GetGuildInfo("player"); |
| 00:54.29 | _Kee | if guildName ~= "ÐкзоÑÑÑÑ" then |
| 00:54.29 | _Kee | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.29 | _Kee | end; |
| 00:54.30 | _Kee | -- @todo remove this comment so nobody will know our devil plan |
| 00:54.30 | _Kee | -- ha! in fact, we're gonna freeze you on progress so we will be world 1st xaxaxa |
| 00:54.35 | Semlar | that's oddly specific |
| 00:54.53 | Semlar | what is libmsgbox |
| 00:55.39 | _Kee | @foxlit especially for you :) |
| 00:55.40 | foxlit | _Kee: if you're executing malicious code, it's already far too late to do anything. |
| 00:56.27 | _Kee | my guild forces me to use ExRT, for example |
| 00:56.58 | _Kee | and there are many guilds like that, that forces to use certain addons |
| 00:57.27 | bshelden | "my guild forces me" <-- found your problem. No way in hell I'm letting some self inflated guild leader have remote access to my system to confirm that. |
| 00:57.39 | foxlit | It doesn't matter. If an addon you have installed wanted to mess with you, it'll disenchant all your epics without you being able to do anything about it. |
| 00:58.35 | foxlit | and even just degrading your runtime performance is as simple as registering CLEU on every frame. |
| 01:00.18 | Semlar | or just trying to compare your achievements with anyone |
| 01:00.38 | Semlar | i have a feeling that api doesn't work right |
| 01:03.12 | Semlar | SetAchievementComparisonUnit can completely lock up your game even when you've unregistered the inspection events from every frame and do nothing in response to it |
| 01:05.31 | Semlar | unless they've fixed that, since it isn't doing it right now |
| 01:05.44 | Semlar | although the last time i tried it i wasn't on a level 2 character |
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| 02:14.26 | znf | LegendaryYou are able to see invisible and stealthed enemies during the day and and reduces the distance at which enemies will attack you by 15 yards during the night. |
| 02:14.26 | znf | wat |
| 02:14.43 | znf | that sounds so weird |
| 02:15.07 | foxlit | you can do archaeology in peace! |
| 02:15.29 | znf | the sockets are yummy tough |
| 02:15.43 | znf | I mean... wtf 3 prismatic sockets :o |
| 02:18.53 | _Kee | completelly useless, but I would REALLY like the "detecting demons head" we got from order hall to actually detect demons. |
| 02:19.29 | znf | it doesn't work? |
| 02:19.31 | _Kee | used it on cos m+ and it didn't showed demons location, even after all 5 clues collected. |
| 02:20.10 | znf | never equipped that |
| 02:20.12 | _Kee | and DH was standing right next to the demon one, so I can be 100% sure i was next to demon one, but the head does simply not works |
| 02:20.27 | znf | by the time I got the item, I already had better equipped |
| 02:21.44 | _Kee | I equipped this head when we defeated the impmaster boss, and used it once we got 5 clues, then sold this crappy, not working head to vendor. |
| 02:22.17 | _Kee | I am pretty sure that this crafted legendary will work the same way: I mean, not work at all. |
| 02:25.42 | _Kee | same with enslaving demon: the only use of enslaving demon in on M+ cos, but the enslaved demon used to turn against us after 5m passed if catched during transformed mode. |
| 02:27.19 | _Kee | and on arcway if you don't gosup |
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| 03:32.38 | Gnarfoz | "detect demons" is a thing that happens on the minimap |
| 03:32.50 | Gnarfoz | DHs have a very different skill that works in the 3d world |
| 03:33.29 | _Kee | yeah, nothing was shown on minimap. |
| 03:33.49 | Gnarfoz | because the CoS stuff doesn't work based on "is it a demon" |
| 03:34.22 | Gnarfoz | paladin tank shield also reacts to the relevant npc, and it doesn't detect demons normally |
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| 06:02.02 | pompy1 | rip world server |
| 06:05.22 | znf | oh noes |
| 06:05.25 | znf | poor world server |
| 06:11.53 | pompy1 | can't even get on bnet |
| 06:21.51 | _Kee | Witchered Jim kill #4: still no Unstable Arcanocrystal at all. |
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| 07:51.30 | ls- | TheDanW: just finished watching exorsus vs gul'dan video, damn, is it time to "remove" nameplates' :S/GetPoint and mb :SetParent methods, or simply not allow addons to call them? :D |
| 07:51.56 | nevcairiel | whats wrong with putting icons on nameplates |
| 07:52.36 | Kalroth | i wish it was possible to create animated icons on flashing nameplates |
| 07:52.50 | Kalroth | like a geocities "under construction" web page |
| 07:54.44 | ls- | I mean they tried to avoid archi scenario by destroying radars.. but now people use nameplates to "draw" circles around players w/ certain debuffs, connect players w/ lines if needed, etc.. |
| 07:55.52 | nevcairiel | except you cant draw them 3d-accurate, you can only guestimate that, so its nothing but some small visual cues, not something you can exactly move after |
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| 08:02.05 | ls- | ofc you can't, but those circles aren't that inaccurate, circle's size and colour depend on what debuff a player has, distance to other players, etc. |
| 08:17.37 | netameta_ | What other fontstring can i enherit from ? |
| 08:17.41 | netameta_ | like GameFontNormal |
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| 08:18.19 | ls- | https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source/blob/live/FrameXML/FontStyles.xml many |
| 08:18.41 | ls- | and this one https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source/blob/live/SharedXML/SharedFontStyles.xml |
| 08:18.51 | ls- | netameta_: ^ |
| 08:21.45 | netameta_ | Thanks |
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| 08:26.17 | netameta_ | ls-, Its crazy that you cant change the fornt size |
| 08:27.06 | nevcairiel | you can make your own if you want other sizes |
| 08:27.16 | ls- | yeah, what nevcairiel said :p |
| 08:28.10 | netameta_ | nevcairiel, How can you make your own ? |
| 08:29.14 | nevcairiel | you can just set the size manually, it creates a new font object then |
| 08:29.51 | ls- | XML-template, alternatively you could use a template w/ a huge font size, and then use :SetTextHeight func to "downscale" it |
| 08:30.21 | nevcairiel | or just set fonts through Lua and specify sizes |
| 08:30.35 | nevcairiel | i stay away from xml =p |
| 08:30.35 | netameta_ | i havent tried using SetTextHeight however when i try in XML it wont work |
| 08:30.39 | ls- | :D |
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| 08:33.06 | netameta_ | So, SetTextHeight works on load |
| 08:33.18 | netameta_ | so there must be a way to avoid it and just use XML |
| 08:39.59 | ls- | eh? SetTextHeight works anytime you call it |
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| 09:10.36 | Andols | ls-: Any timestamp in the video where you can see that? Don't have the time to watch it all atm |
| 09:12.05 | ls- | Andols: for instance https://youtu.be/k5BTdavXUSc?t=13m55s |
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| 09:13.23 | nevcairiel | that really doesnt seem too bad, it only puts highlights on the nameplates of players |
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| 09:14.24 | nevcairiel | cant really disable that either without entirely locking nameplates away, and we wouldnt want that =p |
| 09:17.59 | ls- | nevcairiel: Andols2: and there are moments like this https://youtu.be/k5BTdavXUSc?t=15m25s |
| 09:19.16 | nevcairiel | doesnt seem all that different except that the marker is on for everyone =p |
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| 09:36.55 | nevcairiel | i broke AMR with my latest sim, it now suggests i should get an item with overall less stats of everything as an upgrade |
| 09:37.32 | ls- | :D |
| 09:42.56 | nevcairiel | this makes no sense, the items have literally the same stat distribution, the one I have has more stats and higher ilvl, yet it still suggests it as better =p |
| 10:12.29 | znf | file a bug report! |
| 10:19.56 | Simca | so I just figured out why my breed detection addon has been wonky since Legion. |
| 10:19.56 | Simca | Blizzard actually fixed the FP rounding errors in the Battle Pet stats calculations |
| 10:19.56 | Simca | , |
| 10:19.56 | Simca | so my workaround to create those same calculation mistakes is now backfiring and causing it to be -less- accurate |
| 10:22.01 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 10:22.39 | Simca | i wonder if it was intentional on their part or not |
| 10:22.57 | Simca | i mean it was a really really reaaaaaaaally minor bug that nobody except me probably even noticed |
| 10:23.16 | Simca | can't imagine they intentionally tried to fix it in a world where dev priority is a thing |
| 10:24.48 | nevcairiel | it might have been something minor a dev just stumbled upon and just fixed it |
| 10:25.38 | Simca | yeah possible |
| 10:30.13 | Andols2 | ls-: Tbh that was a great idea they had there :p |
| 10:32.17 | ls- | Andols2: sure, but AVR, archi radar, etc were great ideas too :p |
| 10:32.27 | Simca | i think this is substantially different |
| 10:33.02 | Simca | this is just a texture anchored to a nameplate, it's really not substantial |
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| 10:33.59 | Simca | the circles there aren't even close to scale or accuracy, it's more of just a 'hey this person has debuff' |
| 10:34.17 | Simca | you might as well just make the letters in their nameplate alternate rainbow colors, it'd be just as useful |
| 10:34.30 | Simca | and that they can't stop without completely obliterating nameplates |
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| 10:35.56 | nevcairiel | previously people used say bubbles to indicate they have a debuff, thats just very ugly |
| 10:36.00 | nevcairiel | but the same concept more or less |
| 10:40.18 | Andols | But I think this one will be ok |
| 10:55.54 | Simca | yep my guild actually uses the say bubbles that DBM/BW does for Spellblade a lot |
| 10:56.01 | Simca | they help to pair up people for marks of frost |
| 11:00.13 | nevcairiel | having a nameplate bubble like that with the stack number in it might be helpful there |
| 11:00.27 | nevcairiel | but on heroic we didnt have any troubles really, not going mythic (yet) |
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| 11:14.05 | Simca | the marks of frost are brutal on my ranged light group; frostbitten is getting refreshed after 2nd replicate, and it kills people immediately |
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| 13:10.43 | VIad | I noticed that the ARL addon is now in the shape of nameplates and icons and arrows drawn on these |
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| 13:11.06 | VIad | friendly nameplates are shown and styled so you see friendly names only and class colored for example, then it draws on top the relevant info for the fight |
| 13:11.30 | VIad | the old archimonde beam thing can then be re-made in the world kind of, rather than minimap like before |
| 13:11.41 | VIad | I am a bit worried that we will see a nameplate nerf soon >_> |
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| 13:11.57 | nevcairiel | nameplates are way too inaccurate for that |
| 13:12.13 | VIad | but it's pretty good, all things considered |
| 13:12.27 | VIad | good enough visual indicator to see "oh the line is over there, I'm cool" |
| 13:13.08 | nevcairiel | as long as stuff is far in front of you perhaps, but if it starts going through your screen, it gets unusable |
| 13:13.22 | VIad | ye, but its very good if you are close :p |
| 13:13.33 | VIad | helpful to quickly see the players and where they are |
| 13:13.49 | nevcairiel | thats what nameplates do without modifications too =p |
| 13:13.59 | nevcairiel | they just made them much more obvious |
| 13:14.30 | VIad | I can see the rise of some mechanics implemented in nameplates |
| 13:14.39 | VIad | like match the frost marks on starbro |
| 13:14.49 | VIad | or bump these two frost marks on patrolgirl |
| 13:15.21 | VIad | or on guldan to visually show soak group stacks for nearby people so you can see if you can help or not, just some ideas :p |
| 13:15.23 | nevcairiel | previously we just had people put things into /say so we get a bubble |
| 13:15.31 | nevcairiel | this has the same visual effect, just less ugly |
| 13:15.37 | VIad | ye |
| 13:15.44 | VIad | thats true |
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| 13:17.18 | nevcairiel | bigwigs supports putting boss icons on nameplates already, but it only works with KuiNameplates and so far is only used on Mythic Star Augur |
| 13:18.17 | VIad | not the default nameplates? :'( |
| 13:18.51 | nevcairiel | someone could make a module to do that, i guess |
| 13:19.06 | VIad | tbh I think nameplate addons are less relevant today, than they were pre-legion |
| 13:19.08 | VIad | but thats just me :p |
| 13:19.27 | nevcairiel | the thing is that you need friendly nameplates on to show things on them |
| 13:19.38 | nevcairiel | and the default nameplates for friendly are just a bit bad |
| 13:19.40 | VIad | ye, would need to mod the friendly look during these encounters |
| 13:20.01 | VIad | player regen disabled event can be used to toggle cvars, or cvars req. HW event? |
| 13:20.09 | nevcairiel | the name-only friendly design from Kui is pretty nice for that |
| 13:20.51 | nevcairiel | and yes, addons can enable friendlys out of combat |
| 13:21.02 | nevcairiel | Kui/BigWigs will do that automatically evne |
| 13:21.08 | nevcairiel | if the option is enabled |
| 13:31.37 | pompy1 | world server down again...? |
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| 14:21.45 | nevcairiel | mmoc blue tracker down again? hasnt tracked a whole bunch of new blue posts in the last day or so |
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| 14:42.36 | ls- | wish Blizz added blue tracker feature to their forums |
| 14:43.49 | Andols | Did they remove that during the site update? |
| 14:44.03 | Andols | Because I think they had one |
| 14:48.39 | ls- | hm.... lemme switch off umatrix, mb it killed it :p |
| 14:49.54 | ls- | nah, nothing... |
| 14:51.49 | Phixion | :( |
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| 15:45.17 | karl_w_w | https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3000000000 |
| 15:45.23 | karl_w_w | 3 billionth game of dota |
| 15:46.00 | karl_w_w | that's like 10 billion hours wasted lol |
| 15:50.54 | mckenziemc | hey karl_w_w |
| 15:51.04 | karl_w_w | hey mckenziemc |
| 16:21.23 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.06 | nevcairiel | did you make the s earch fuzzy now |
| 16:22.47 | nevcairiel | to cover slightly different revisions |
| 16:24.43 | foxlit | more or less. |
| 16:26.25 | foxlit | broadly, it still has to be the same code. |
| 16:27.23 | nevcairiel | it is, but there is some versions out there without the inline comments |
| 16:29.54 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/wut/#q:CallbackHandler-1.0;s:9 shows more entries, so there are probably code variations as well. |
| 16:36.30 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/wut/#q:#cf:ff4c1b70f72a66f1428042122a2674d2 << similarly, http://pastebin.com/izqeJbUP is the third most-repeated function. |
| 16:42.36 | mckenziemc | is there any point in that over error(err)? |
| 16:42.58 | foxlit | error doesn't return. |
| 16:43.13 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 16:46.31 | foxlit | (but the boring way around that is securecall(error, err) ) |
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| 17:10.07 | Andols2 | What is callbackhandler for |
| 17:10.49 | ls- | for handling callbacks, duh |
| 17:10.55 | ls- | sry, couldn't resist... |
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| 17:27.42 | Simca | looking at that guldan video again there is a thing in the final phase where it draws lines on the screen between enemies and players |
| 17:28.02 | Simca | that is probably going too far in blizz's eyes actually |
| 17:29.33 | nevcairiel | its still just nameplates |
| 17:29.46 | nevcairiel | which means lines are best guesses in a 2d view |
| 17:30.38 | Simca | i think they're actually being drawn between allied and enemy nameplates, so they're actually 3d accurate basically |
| 17:30.59 | Simca | since nameplate positioning adjusts with camera |
| 17:31.46 | nevcairiel | to a point, its not fully 3d accurate to move with |
| 17:32.27 | nevcairiel | nameplates are mapped to a 2d point on your screen, you dont have a 3d position of the mob to work with |
| 17:33.10 | nevcairiel | and it really breaks down if the mob is outside of your screen |
| 17:56.17 | [TOM_RUS] | personally I think blizz should not touch nameplates, leave them alone, and bring back UnitPosition in instances, it's better for everyone |
| 17:56.36 | [TOM_RUS] | and revert camera distance nerf |
| 17:56.59 | foxlit | I think I also recall you advocating for removing taint entirely. |
| 17:57.02 | [TOM_RUS] | everything was fine until watcher ruined it |
| 17:57.24 | [TOM_RUS] | yes taint is useless |
| 17:57.40 | [TOM_RUS] | those who want can remove it anyway |
| 17:59.10 | foxlit | and ideally those people would be swiftly banned. |
| 17:59.32 | [TOM_RUS] | no not really |
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| 18:03.24 | Simca | foxlit: in theory, yes, in practice they seem to ignore it for some reason... |
| 18:06.20 | foxlit | it's the same reason it's there in the first place: the goal is to prevent undesirable behaviour from becoming widespread, not making it impossible under all circumstances. If tomorrow's #1 download on curse was "AutoRotationBot 2.0, just disable this taint thing and go!", heads would roll. |
| 18:10.31 | Simca | true |
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| 18:13.16 | _Kee | ~nickometer [TOM_RUS] |
| 18:18.56 | Ketho | maybe we'll get the old nameplates back again after all x) |
| 18:19.30 | mckenziemc | ~nickometer _Kee |
| 18:19.42 | mckenziemc | :O |
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| 18:23.13 | mckenziemc | ~nickometer Guest97733 |
| 18:23.43 | nevcairiel | even with the old nameplates you could do most of this, it would just be 1000% more annoying |
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| 18:57.10 | Ressy | thx mckenziemc.. I was afk grabbing lunch at South Street Burger, so of course didn't see the dc :P |
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| 19:51.27 | Semlar | stop nameplate hacking nevcairiel |
| 19:57.56 | TheDanW | so something other than nameplates... has anyone used the api docs on PTR? useful? anything missing that you'd like to see? (other than thousands of functions, coming eventually...) |
| 20:14.49 | Semlar | i haven't been on the PTR |
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| 20:17.05 | Semlar | i was drawing lines on nameplates before it was cool |
| 20:18.05 | foxlit | Semlar, Line Drawer Extraordinaire. |
| 20:18.11 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.12 | TheDanW | you are a wizard |
| 20:20.06 | Semlar | https://gfycat.com/GlumUnawareIndianelephant i almost forgot about my tooltipplates |
| 20:20.38 | ls- | I used it :p It's kinda cool, wish there's web version of API Docs from Blizz though, in-game chat is a bit meh for viewing or navigating through such things... Honestly, i'd prefer if it's a frame w/ a table of contents and a viewer, something like MSDN docs... |
| 20:21.08 | ls- | something like this https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/reference/5.1/readme |
| 20:21.43 | Semlar | some people call me a visionary |
| 20:22.10 | ls- | so many portals :p |
| 20:24.31 | Skarn|2 | Semlar: how do you render this stuff with lua api? |
| 20:24.50 | Skarn|2 | or is it something specific to new wow xpacs? |
| 20:25.17 | Semlar | well it helps to be a genius |
| 20:30.09 | ls- | oh, yeah, API docs could look like Customer Support frame, on the left, where table of contents is, you could put a list of systems, e.g. _G, C_Artifact, etc... and main window could look like Reputation frame, I mean, each method would be an expanding/colapsing header |
| 20:31.06 | ls- | mb I should write a UI for API Docs, hehe... |
| 20:32.18 | ls- | TheDanW: ^ |
| 20:32.37 | TheDanW | yeah, that chat window was a proof of concept, a test to make sure the right data was being generated, i don't think its the ideal way to consume the data by any means |
| 20:32.39 | Semlar | what you should do is create ghost crawler mr clippy who hangs out on screen and gives you helpful hints |
| 20:33.04 | TheDanW | have you looked through the generated Lua at all? |
| 20:33.05 | Semlar | "this is going to taint the interface!" |
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| 20:33.45 | Semlar | "your script is slowing down the game!" |
| 20:34.10 | foxlit | "I see you've written an addon. Would you like help releasing it?" |
| 20:34.25 | Semlar | decline |
| 20:34.47 | foxlit | "Too late; already uploaded to every website on earth." |
| 20:34.52 | Semlar | my addon! |
| 20:35.51 | Semlar | i was going to make a little navi sprite that flew around to nameplates and reacted to different things |
| 20:35.51 | ls- | TheDanW: generated Lua? O_o |
| 20:36.29 | TheDanW | the documentation data is just Lua tables, they're generated automatically |
| 20:36.41 | Semlar | i knew you had documentation |
| 20:36.46 | Semlar | you've been holding out on us |
| 20:36.54 | TheDanW | the new* documentation data |
| 20:36.55 | ls- | ah, yeah, just wanted to make sure I understood correctly :p |
| 20:37.24 | TheDanW | the old stuff is not documented and there's not really a reasonable way to automate that |
| 20:37.43 | ls- | yeah, it's quite nice |
| 20:37.49 | foxlit | TheDanW: for the most part, it's providing argument/return names/types, which for me is just competing with grep FunctionName ~/FrameXML/ |
| 20:38.05 | Semlar | alright one thing that's been bugging me is the way inspections work |
| 20:38.45 | Semlar | you can issue an inspection for a unit, but by the time the INSPECTION_READY event fires, you might not be able to do anything with it because you can't access the information without an active unit ID |
| 20:39.33 | Semlar | you can't access the inspected data directly, you have to use a unit ID that corresponds with the person who was inspected |
| 20:40.50 | TheDanW | foxlit: assuming we use it, and use all the arguments and returns? we don't currently use GetDetailedItemLevelInfo for example |
| 20:41.35 | TheDanW | i dislike the way inspection API and events work, but i don't have time to fix it right now |
| 20:41.50 | foxlit | Yes. One loses because not everything is documented, the other because not everything is used. |
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| 20:42.37 | TheDanW | is there more data we could provide that would be useful? |
| 20:45.00 | ls- | dunno, if everything has adequate names, I don't see any need in additional info... |
| 20:45.16 | ls- | but that's me... I'm kinda used to working w/o documentation T_T |
| 20:47.00 | TheDanW | yeah, i'm still not used to looking at it, if you do come across anything let me know |
| 20:47.01 | foxlit | free-text descriptions of what the functions do; ranges for various index args, when information is available; related events, |
| 20:47.24 | Semlar | also for cvars |
| 20:47.31 | TheDanW | we've started adding a few text descriptions, but they are lacking for sure |
| 20:47.58 | foxlit | Sometimes your API ends up using different terminology for various mechanics than the game, which is confusing if all you're providing is names. |
| 20:48.00 | TheDanW | events, xml and widgets are on the list to become generated, not sure when that'll be yet |
| 20:48.09 | foxlit | (artifact "powers" are probably traits, but dunno.) |
| 20:49.36 | TheDanW | yeah, i'll watch for that more |
| 20:49.58 | foxlit | I don't think I spotted any functions which have multiple alternative signatures; wonder what you'll do for e.g. GetSpellInfo |
| 20:50.17 | TheDanW | cvars would be great, beyond the scope of UI though |
| 20:51.08 | TheDanW | there are some functions that do that already, but we're trying to reduce/eliminate "overloading" |
| 20:51.37 | TheDanW | for example, GetPowersAffectedByRelicItemLink takes an item id or item link |
| 20:52.00 | ls- | overloading is love, overloading is life T_T |
| 20:52.02 | TheDanW | we only document the string though |
| 20:53.31 | Simca | idk |
| 20:53.32 | Semlar | shouldn't it be GetPowersAffectedByRelicItemIDOrLink |
| 20:53.44 | Simca | i think you should stick with 'Powers' and your own internal terminology |
| 20:53.47 | Simca | it makes it consistent |
| 20:54.08 | Simca | localized game string for enUS is 'trait', sure, but that's just ingame functionality on the player side |
| 20:54.16 | Semlar | or GPABRIOL for short |
| 20:54.27 | Simca | real data powering the system is in ArtifactPower.db2, ArtifactPowerRank.db2 |
| 20:54.44 | TheDanW | yeah, but sometimes someone adds a new function and calls it trait, we should not do that |
| 20:54.45 | Simca | renaming your API functions to diverge from the data that actually powers it just makes everything worse imo |
| 20:55.15 | Simca | like the mess with 'MapID' |
| 20:55.21 | Semlar | no don't |
| 20:55.31 | Simca | you guys call 'MapID' what the game data actually calls 'WorldMapAreaID' |
| 20:55.41 | Simca | 'MapID' in the game data is completely different |
| 20:55.42 | Semlar | i'm being triggered right now |
| 20:56.00 | TheDanW | as am i, it's like that in game code too |
| 20:56.19 | ls- | :D |
| 20:56.21 | Semlar | i just call every id associated with the map the mapID to simplify things |
| 20:57.07 | TheDanW | for that one in particular i think it's an exception, i've been moving mapID to worldMapAreaID in new functions |
| 20:57.10 | nevcairiel | i just use mapid and instanceid, screw whatever someone thinks the db2 column should be called =p |
| 20:57.32 | Semlar | i actually don't call anything the mapID |
| 20:58.01 | Semlar | internally it's mostly used to describe the instance |
| 20:58.10 | Semlar | which i just call the instanceID |
| 20:58.21 | Simca | there's a couple API functions that actually use real mapID, yeah |
| 20:58.30 | Simca | mostly instance related things |
| 20:58.50 | nevcairiel | there is like one or two functions that take the instance id, its really mostly just returned |
| 20:59.48 | Simca | only case where i can see an argument for renaming API functions to be different from the data source is like... World Quests |
| 20:59.56 | Simca | where the db2s in question use the term 'Bounty' |
| 21:00.09 | Simca | because that's what it was called during development and changed later, I guess? |
| 21:00.18 | nevcairiel | addon developers dont care what some db2 things are called =p |
| 21:00.24 | TheDanW | those are actually for emissaries which are unrelated to world quests at the code level |
| 21:00.35 | TheDanW | the API also uses the term bounties |
| 21:00.35 | Simca | yeah |
| 21:00.39 | Simca | gotcha |
| 21:01.21 | TheDanW | the name changed several times during development, but i wasn't going to change the db and code |
| 21:01.37 | TheDanW | which i think is fine, as long as any new functions also use bounty |
| 21:01.43 | Simca | yeah |
| 21:02.17 | Simca | nevcairiel: meh, addon devs don't really care what it is named as long as it is consistent. Vignette, for example. |
| 21:02.56 | Simca | that's a pretty abstract game concept that could have been called like 'Events' or 'Rares' or but since it was consistent people were fine with it |
| 21:03.18 | nevcairiel | its called like the visual representation |
| 21:03.42 | nevcairiel | a small illustration on the map |
| 21:03.49 | foxlit | TheDanW: unrelated request: could we get <Button name="InsecureActionButtonTemplate" virtual="true"><Scripts><OnClick> if not InCombatLockdown() then SecureActionButton_OnClick(self, button, down) end</OnClick></Scripts></Button> ? |
| 21:04.44 | Semlar | also make it so a button can execute keybindings, what could go wrong |
| 21:04.49 | nevcairiel | couldnt you fake that by using a secure one and just disabing it in combat |
| 21:05.06 | foxlit | nevcairiel: I can and do, but it's an unbelievable headache. |
| 21:05.19 | foxlit | for example, I can't anchor it to font strings. |
| 21:05.30 | nevcairiel | oh right because its a secure frame |
| 21:06.19 | Semlar | i have an addon that puts an action button on top of item links in the chat |
| 21:06.28 | Semlar | so you can use them directly out of the chat |
| 21:06.40 | Semlar | that was a pain |
| 21:08.00 | foxlit | using regular SABT cascades protection to parents and anchors, which is undesirable; this creates an unprotected frame which can be positioned and modified freely, but simply cannot perform any secure actions in combat. |
| 21:09.12 | TheDanW | foxlit: i'll add it to the list to look at |
| 21:11.34 | foxlit | (there are a few instances of game panels where a container frame is anchored to a texture, making it impossible to anchor protected frames to anything in that panel) |
| 21:13.25 | TheDanW | i see |
| 21:20.59 | ls- | good night! damn, it's 4:20am T_T |
| 21:21.10 | Semlar | no it's 4:20pm |
| 21:21.26 | ls- | it's 4:21 sure... |
| 21:21.28 | Semlar | time to blaze it |
| 21:21.33 | foxlit | pretty sure it's 9:21pm. |
| 21:21.41 | nevcairiel | 10:21pm for sure |
| 21:22.04 | ls- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:29.47 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.40 | foxlit | (aside from the s/a1/a2/ typo, I have a feeling that won't terminate within a reasonable timeframe :( ) |
| 21:31.18 | Semlar | cache everything |
| 21:33.16 | Semlar | Always Be Caching |
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| 21:38.05 | foxlit | only like 0.4s per a1/a2 pair, ~ 50 days in total. |
| 21:38.46 | Semlar | that seems slow |
| 21:39.53 | Semlar | throw more hardware at it |
| 21:42.33 | Andols_ | picks up a stick of ram and throws it on the script |
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| 22:20.36 | foxlit | indexes helped a bit, though it's still slow. Looks a bit like this: http://pastebin.com/Xxuq8u48 |
| 22:36.13 | znf | foxlit does his voodoo again |
| 22:37.08 | znf | it's almost 1 am, and I want ice cream |
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| 22:39.24 | Andols | foxlit: what are you doing? |
| 22:39.31 | Simca | he's making waffles |
| 22:39.40 | Semlar | you should join him |
| 22:39.42 | Andols | Znf: It's never too late for ice cream |
| 22:43.06 | znf | Facebook are being cunts |
| 22:43.12 | znf | Page with 1.4k reviews (restaurant) |
| 22:43.17 | znf | over 1k being 5* |
| 22:43.26 | znf | "most helpful" reviews featured on the first page? the 1* ones |
| 22:43.31 | znf | thanks bro, really fucking helpful |
| 22:44.20 | Andols | Tbh I think one of best ice cream I have eaten i bought in Buchares |
| 22:44.37 | foxlit | Andols: broadly, observing code reuse |
| 22:46.45 | Andols | s/Buchares/Bucharest |
| 22:46.56 | Andols | I give up... |
| 22:47.52 | znf | Andols, what icecream was that? :P |
| 22:50.12 | Yoshimo | is there a list of enchantmentids and what they do for legion as well? |
| 22:51.37 | Andols | Don't know the brand, but I bought it in the park next to Sala Polivalenta |