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| 00:21.30 | tz | I'm loving this consistent Item-sparse.db2 crash every login after 7.1.5 |
| 00:22.34 | tz | errr, inconsistent* |
| 00:22.48 | Semlar | delete all the things! |
| 00:22.52 | tz | clear cache = fine |
| 00:22.54 | tz | forget = crash |
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| 00:23.01 | tz | actually that's pretty consistent |
| 00:23.14 | foxlit | why does the 7.1.5 client think I know Incarnation: Guardian of Ursoc despite me not having that talent? |
| 00:23.18 | kd3 | my script to start up the battle.net app deletes various cache files |
| 00:23.21 | kd3 | that's kinda pathetic |
| 00:23.37 | tz | mine does the same, I just hit the battlenet play this time around |
| 00:23.58 | tz | at least you can just get it to autologin without needing to hit battlenet |
| 00:24.00 | Semlar | maybe it knows something you don't, foxlit |
| 00:24.16 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.23 | tz | Remove-Item "D:\Games\World of Warcraft\Cache" -Recurse |
| 00:24.24 | tz | Start-Process "battlenet://WoW" |
| 00:24.35 | foxlit | but does actually try to cast it. |
| 00:24.38 | tz | I'd say "collect loot" but that doesn't happen |
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| 00:25.03 | foxlit | unlike say /cast Make Semlar Release an AddOn which just fails silently. |
| 00:25.05 | Semlar | maybe it's one of those transformy spells and you know another version of it |
| 00:25.14 | Semlar | so it tries to cast it anyway |
| 00:25.27 | nevcairiel | i think its on a row with passives |
| 00:25.53 | Semlar | like when i'd have arcane shot or aimed shot based on which spec i was in |
| 00:25.56 | nevcairiel | unless those also transform between each other |
| 00:26.43 | Semlar | although i guess it would successfully cast your other spell if that were the case |
| 00:28.04 | foxlit | ... opie maps it to Berserk... somehow... while Feral (still not using that talent). |
| 00:28.24 | nevcairiel | its probably the same talent spot for berserk |
| 00:28.31 | foxlit | it's not, berserk is base. |
| 00:28.49 | nevcairiel | maybe it transforms cat berserk into a guardian ability when you use it |
| 00:28.53 | nevcairiel | its kinda a similar concept |
| 00:28.54 | mckenziemc | did you try deleting your cache |
| 00:29.03 | mckenziemc | :p |
| 00:29.53 | foxlit | I didn't try deleting my cache. I also haven't reinstalled windows. :) |
| 00:30.12 | nevcairiel | there is your problem! |
| 00:30.26 | mckenziemc | don't forget to re-seat your CPU too |
| 00:33.17 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.57 | foxlit | FindSpellBookSlotBySpellID(102543) maps to to Berserk's slot. |
| 00:39.03 | foxlit | and it survived wiping the cache. |
| 00:43.58 | foxlit | the client is clearly insane. |
| 00:46.16 | mckenziemc | s/insane/inane/ |
| 00:47.08 | mckenziemc | which, apparently, doesn't quite mean what i thought it did |
| 00:49.01 | Gnarfoz | maybe it's outsane |
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| 01:44.11 | karl_w_w | I don't think there's anything worse than a maximised window not having the vertical scroll bar against the edge of the screen |
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| 01:53.50 | Michael_ | hi guys, im wondering if physics on screen is a doable feat |
| 01:54.10 | Michael_ | i looked at peggle but their code is obfuscated |
| 01:56.55 | Seerah | Michael_: what do you mean by "physics"? |
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| 01:57.32 | Michael_ | I was thinking of a image that would react with the UI elements, and collide etc. |
| 01:57.57 | Seerah | You would have to code in any collision detection |
| 01:58.49 | Michael_ | One problem i see before even starting is the frames blizzard just makes invisible instead of hiding them (tsk tsk) |
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| 01:59.25 | Seerah | isn't that the definition of hidden? Can't see? :p |
| 01:59.41 | Semlar | how can the frames be real if our eyes aren't real |
| 02:00.22 | Seerah | you're so deep |
| 02:00.22 | Michael_ | In code the frame would still exist, idk if there is a way to see if the frame is actually seeable to the human eye lol |
| 02:00.43 | Seerah | :IsVisible |
| 02:00.50 | Seerah | :IsShown |
| 02:00.53 | Seerah | ? |
| 02:00.55 | Michael_ | i tried, still shows true even though its not there |
| 02:01.18 | Michael_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.33 | Michael_ | again, tsk tsk blizzard just hide them if you dont need them to be seen |
| 02:01.47 | Seerah | Were they really hidden through :Hide() or do they just not have any visual elements set? |
| 02:01.55 | Michael_ | no visible elements |
| 02:02.01 | Seerah | then they're shown |
| 02:02.10 | Michael_ | yep which is a problem before i even start |
| 02:02.38 | Seerah | maybe with what you want to do/how you want to do it, but .... /shrug |
| 02:03.44 | Semlar | frames inherently aren't something visible, you'd have to iterate over every texture and font string to identify visible elements on screen |
| 02:04.02 | Michael_ | rip fps |
| 02:04.14 | Seerah | ?? |
| 02:04.34 | Michael_ | im sure that would take a toll every onupdate which i assume i would have to use for physics engine |
| 02:04.48 | Semlar | you'd still have a problem with gaps in transparent textures anyway |
| 02:04.55 | Semlar | that is not something you could work around |
| 02:05.25 | Semlar | so you'd have to treat every textures and font string as a rectangle, basically |
| 02:05.45 | Seerah | which, technically, they are |
| 02:05.58 | Michael_ | yeah, I dont think it be very apparent though so I dont mind. |
| 02:06.10 | Semlar | sure, but it sounds like he wants to create something that walks around the screen on top of ui elements or something |
| 02:06.57 | Semlar | it probably wouldn't have as much impact on framerate as you think it would |
| 02:08.12 | Semlar | you probably wouldn't want it going during combat without throttling, but i don't think it would kill your game |
| 02:09.46 | Michael_ | wonder if there is box2d for lua |
| 02:10.34 | Semlar | i don't know how complex of a physics engine you were considering |
| 02:12.01 | Michael_ | literally doesnt have to do much just a rectangle being able to be dragged around and colldies with UI elements |
| 02:13.26 | Semlar | i mean there's collision detection and then there's advanced kinetics |
| 02:14.23 | Semlar | i don't know if you're talking about making ui elements that can detect other ui elements or want to play a game in your interface |
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| 02:39.29 | tz | anybody got any ideas why I get a shitload of ACTIONBAR_SLOT_CHANGED every few seconds on my destro lock, and nowhere else? |
| 02:39.49 | tz | seems ever 5 seconds |
| 02:39.53 | tz | every |
| 02:41.45 | Semlar | idling? |
| 02:41.50 | tz | yup |
| 02:43.14 | Semlar | doesn't it tell you the slot |
| 02:43.41 | Semlar | or is it just every slot |
| 02:43.44 | tz | yes, I know what slots they are, the issue is that for some reason I'm getting about 40 events for no visible change of any slot |
| 02:44.08 | tz | things like "Command Demon" are listed multiple times |
| 02:44.13 | Semlar | if it's for specific slots it would help narrow it down |
| 02:44.31 | tz | Command Demon, Summon Infernal, Incinerate, Summon Doomguard |
| 02:44.53 | tz | weird |
| 02:45.03 | Semlar | i don't know anything about the current state of warlocks |
| 02:45.05 | tz | some action slots are different even though I only have command demon listed once |
| 02:45.11 | tz | err |
| 02:45.15 | tz | keybound once |
| 02:45.40 | tz | they're all followed by a SPELLS_CHANGED, too |
| 02:45.41 | tz | hmm |
| 02:45.50 | Semlar | do you periodically generate power or something |
| 02:45.58 | tz | max power already |
| 02:46.03 | tz | so no change notifications |
| 02:46.07 | Semlar | well something that would affect your pets |
| 02:46.28 | tz | just dismissed pet, still going |
| 02:46.29 | tz | hmm |
| 02:47.11 | tz | SPELL_UPDATE_USABLE -> 40-odd ACTIONBAR_SLOT_CHANGED -> SPELLS_CHANGED |
| 02:47.15 | tz | every 5 seconds :s |
| 02:47.43 | tz | although, events for command demon stopped after I dismissed pet |
| 02:47.45 | tz | hmm |
| 02:48.15 | tz | ok, now it's just incinerate |
| 02:48.18 | Semlar | what legendaries do you have |
| 02:48.23 | tz | none |
| 02:48.50 | tz | seems talent-related |
| 02:49.07 | tz | if I spec out of being able to summon infernal/doomguard, the events stop for that too |
| 02:49.22 | tz | just 4 incinerate events now |
| 02:49.27 | tz | all same slot 92 |
| 02:50.06 | tz | heh |
| 02:50.06 | tz | [13:49] FSTACK Unknown command |
| 02:50.12 | tz | helps if I type that into the game, not IRC |
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| 03:30.49 | pompy | kd3: https://www.facebook.com/FleetWeek/videos/1237760402925984/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED |
| 03:32.36 | kd3 | huh, that's about 9 months early |
| 03:32.40 | kd3 | fleet week is in october |
| 03:39.10 | pompy | practicing super early! |
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| 03:47.49 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 03:47.59 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 04:36.05 | mckenziemc | tz: you must have a lot of talent to get that many events |
| 04:47.05 | tz | obviously |
| 06:03.48 | Gethe_ | hugs Cairenn |
| 06:03.56 | Cairenn | hugs Gethe_ |
| 06:58.47 | mckenziemc | "Augeas reacted angrily because he had promised Heracles one tenth of his cattle if the job was finished in one day. He refused to honour the agreement, and Heracles killed him after completing the tasks." |
| 06:58.57 | mckenziemc | hugs Cairenn in one day. |
| 06:59.09 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
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| 07:50.01 | Kinesia | Why would there be a disconnect in the AH not when Scanning, but when _buying_ an item? |
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| 09:17.53 | VIad | Kinesia: if you arent using addons, then it's odd yes, since buying should be a simple task. unless the item was sold and it didnt know what to do, so it DC you :D |
| 09:18.24 | VIad | I suspect some bugs that needs working out since patch |
| 09:21.46 | Kinesia | I'm using addon's, yes. But this is _after_ a successful GetAll scan which means the itemcache should be full, and that was the previous main cause of disconnections... I get disconnected far more than normal mortals, but all the others make ense and relate to ItemInfo bulk calls, this one doesn't... |
| 09:22.11 | VIad | dunno, some AH addons might try rescan results and such when you click buy :) |
| 09:22.19 | VIad | they might be doing something 7.1.5 doesnt like anymore |
| 09:24.17 | Kinesia | Nah, this happened before too. It's just it only affects _me_ so noone really complains. And, yeah, they are rescanning the individual item, but that doesn't generate enough new results to cause iteminfo calls to saturate the network. |
| 09:24.41 | VIad | then I dont know, I didnt have the issue pre patch and I havent used the AH yet |
| 09:24.53 | VIad | maybe addon related combined with some other variables more unique to you :D |
| 09:26.37 | Gnarfoz | like his >6000 active auctions maybe? |
| 09:26.47 | VIad | yes :D |
| 09:28.14 | VIad | seems like the next step in home computing is fanless cooling |
| 09:28.23 | VIad | a lot of work being put into that these days, thats neato |
| 09:29.40 | Kinesia | LAugh. It seems to be between 2000 to 3000 in practise. But posting shouldn't... Hmmm, unless there's something weird with update auction list... |
| 09:30.38 | karl_w_w | https://gfycat.com/ConventionalSourAmericanbadger |
| 09:31.11 | Kinesia | I get disconnected on _opening_ the AH on a different server, it's interesting because that's got lower latency, so the iteminfo batch calls are coming in faster. I have to wait till they all expire to mail, and _then_ it works. |
| 09:31.15 | VIad | seems like he is upgrading his CPU to only use one core, optimized for wow gaming |
| 09:31.16 | Kinesia | Very predictable |
| 09:31.37 | Kinesia | not him, me |
| 09:31.38 | VIad | maybe you should make those single auctions into auctions of 10 items bundled? |
| 09:31.54 | Kinesia | Te problem is they are mostly battlepets so they dont stack |
| 09:31.55 | VIad | your 3000 becomes 300 and thats probably gonna be fine |
| 09:32.13 | VIad | why are you hacking peoples accounts and selling their pets? |
| 09:33.15 | Gnarfoz | shopping addiction ;) |
| 09:35.18 | Kinesia | Laugh. I sneak attack them in the wild and do battlepetpvp, if I win I get their pets |
| 09:35.19 | VIad | I'm a huge nerd, but I'm glad I dont have this "gotta reach gold cap" addiction :P |
| 09:35.36 | VIad | I'm more like I spend the gold on usefull long term stuff |
| 09:35.48 | VIad | generally meaning consumables sadly >_> |
| 09:36.33 | Kinesia | That's the thing... I'm nowhere near rich, I get by, but I don't get close to that. I kit out alts and stuff mostly instead of doing endgame. I spend a lot of time playing the auction house. I should be richer, but it's more just a game I play in itself |
| 09:36.58 | VIad | btw some say you can make wow run on one specific core and that if you overclock that core more than the others, you'll get performance boost in wow since its more single core oriented game, unsure if its 100% true or not :p |
| 09:37.48 | Kinesia | interesting. I have to test on the weekend whether I have the same problems on my work laptop because I _am_ underclocking my home laptop to stop it overheating. |
| 09:37.59 | VIad | I wouldnt OC laptops though |
| 09:38.03 | VIad | and most probably can't be :d |
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| 09:38.30 | Kinesia | underclocking... you go to the power settings, advanced, and lock the max cpu to 50% |
| 09:38.30 | VIad | but process affinity is usable I guess, just unsure like what the optimal amount of cores is best for wow, then you could OC those |
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| 09:41.22 | Gnarfoz | I doubt that theory still holds much water in 7.0 -- on the other hand, it could probably still use more CPU than it does. that probably won't go away, ever ^^ |
| 09:42.05 | VIad | I mean at some point the cores stop adding performance, and just having fewer cores for the wow process and have those OC higher is probably better |
| 09:42.17 | VIad | like take 2 of your 8 cores, OC those to 5Ghz |
| 09:42.36 | VIad | and adjust the affinities so only wow runs on those :d |
| 09:43.02 | VIad | unsure the difference between having 2 cores at 5Ghz or 8 cores at 5Ghz |
| 09:43.18 | VIad | except cooling req is much higher on the 8 core scenario :p |
| 09:45.00 | VIad | unsure what the safe limit for OC is, I did my CPU from 3.2 to 4Ghz atm |
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| 09:45.16 | VIad | unsure if 5Ghz is feasible. atm my peak temps are 55C on the CPU |
| 09:45.34 | VIad | like I dunno if there is a hardware limitation, the cpu might not be designed to manage too high OC |
| 09:46.01 | VIad | I am no OC guy so I am playing it safe by mostly using the built in profile tools on the motherboard |
| 09:51.32 | VIad | hehe, pitbull4 puts back the empty folders with a message to manually delete them :D |
| 09:52.22 | nebula | if only there was a delete-folders field in pkgmeta |
| 09:52.33 | nebula | which would be totally safe, obviously |
| 09:52.44 | VIad | but it redownloads them though :d |
| 09:52.59 | VIad | curse puts the "delete me" versions back in ^^ |
| 09:53.00 | nebula | i'll remove them from package in a few days |
| 09:53.08 | VIad | ye I figured its part of the package :D |
| 09:53.30 | VIad | also you could add deprecated and some text in the title of the modules |
| 09:53.38 | VIad | since it wasnt obvious from ingame |
| 09:53.44 | VIad | felt like the boxes did nothing |
| 09:53.54 | VIad | maybe you already did add |
| 09:54.55 | nebula | nah, i handled communicating what changed poorly, in a few days when i merge in anchoring i'll have a notice |
| 09:55.24 | VIad | I just noticed "why is that showing?" I used to disable modules in addons so they never loaded :d |
| 09:55.31 | VIad | I guess I gotta go in modules options and disable from there now |
| 09:55.39 | nebula | apparently everyone did, i didn't even think about that |
| 09:55.56 | VIad | got my addon list txt file ready so I can easily go trough the list and disable the modules |
| 09:56.04 | VIad | I hope you can 100% disable modules under the options and modules list |
| 09:56.17 | VIad | I'd assume you can, just rearely used those options before |
| 09:57.23 | nebula | yes, it loads them based on a stored state |
| 09:58.38 | VIad | how does unloading work though? |
| 09:58.47 | VIad | if a module is loaded, and you check to not load it, I guess you need /reload? |
| 09:59.54 | VIad | topic "huge fps drop after 7.1.5" I guess thats what happens when blizzard just hides lua errors by default, and if your addon doesnt hit the threshold it just feels like a fps drop :D |
| 09:59.57 | nebula | nah, if the module is disabled it just get removed from everyone |
| 10:00.24 | nebula | everything* |
| 10:00.34 | nebula | the updaters, that is |
| 10:00.39 | VIad | yeah |
| 10:02.03 | VIad | btw blizz buffed my parry on my vengeance, I am at 50% parry the first 3 seconds, then 40% for the rest of the duration when using my AM - in addition it gives flat physical dmg reduction in top of everything |
| 10:02.29 | VIad | was fun to check the logs and see less distance between the damage taken and mitigation me and the paladin tanks took :d |
| 10:04.03 | VIad | ursoc is the only fight this is kind of comparable ofc, given how different other fights are |
| 10:04.18 | VIad | guarm is also pretty neat to compare at |
| 10:04.40 | VIad | though parry/dodge will perform better than blocking based classes I'd assume, due to the hard hitting bite combo he does |
| 10:07.34 | Kinesia | Are any of the people here from the Blizz UI team keeping tabs on us? |
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| 10:08.06 | nebula | you've driven them all away, thanks |
| 10:08.23 | VIad | nope |
| 10:08.47 | VIad | guill and dan quit from blizz so yeah |
| 10:09.20 | Kinesia | It wasn't me nebula! I only abuse _you_! |
| 10:10.28 | Kinesia | Nah, I don't think I'm that annoying, you can easily just ignore me most of th time instead of getting upset. |
| 10:10.53 | nebula | oh, dan's gone, too? i knew guill moved to some other project or such |
| 10:10.54 | VIad | it's hard to ignore when you lay out such bait |
| 10:11.05 | VIad | nah dan's here I just joked |
| 10:11.40 | Gnarfoz | nebula:Â wait, that wasn't shit Vlad just made up? |
| 10:11.43 | Kinesia | I'm just frustrated... I think most of the problems I'm having are from _legitimate_ safeguards put in place when GetAll was introduced, but they are no longer quite relevant and they probably aren't the best solution. |
| 10:11.54 | VIad | I know guill moved on |
| 10:12.15 | Kinesia | Instead of disconnecting (Which it should _never_ do) it should throttle until both sides of the server/client can handle the load |
| 10:12.30 | Gnarfoz | Kinesia:Â you'd be looking at TheDanW and... apparently not Guill anymore. I doubt they have time to read all our jibberjabber, so if you have a specific question, you should probably address them (well, him) directly |
| 10:13.05 | VIad | do you know why blizz nerfed momentum build on havoc? because it was too hard to fix the disconnect issues when using fel rush, so they made DH use fel rush less than before, effectively halving the amount of disconnects havocs will experience from now on |
| 10:13.31 | nebula | Kinesia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvdYly4A5W0&t=9 |
| 10:13.36 | Kinesia | Thanks Gnarfoz. |
| 10:13.40 | VIad | but they prefer concrete and direct messages like "X is bugged when you do Y" something easy to test |
| 10:14.24 | VIad | got to say IsSubmerged got changed to indicate when you are not on the surface, because TheDanW was awesome when I brought up IsSwimming and IsSubmerged returned the same data in all situations |
| 10:14.46 | Gnarfoz | I've never had one of our DHs disconnect during raids or m+, I guess they're playing it wrong? :p |
| 10:14.51 | VIad | was something to do with aquatic form changes that used IsSubmerged, the api was changed to just mimic IsSwimming more or less, at least when testing and checking the old framexmlcode using the api |
| 10:15.01 | VIad | nah you DC if you fel rush weird areas |
| 10:15.11 | VIad | like WMO overlapping the terrain |
| 10:15.26 | VIad | if you fel rush and the server gets confused where you would end up, the terrain, the object, or whatever, you got DC |
| 10:15.35 | Gnarfoz | that's not what I asked, tbh |
| 10:15.38 | VIad | oh |
| 10:15.44 | VIad | ah right |
| 10:15.45 | VIad | xd |
| 10:15.46 | Gnarfoz | are you just in weird places more than other people, or what |
| 10:15.46 | VIad | got it now |
| 10:15.54 | VIad | yes they are playing wrong if they dont DC here and there :p |
| 10:15.58 | Kinesia | Oh, it's definitely reproducible, the problem is that I am possibly the only person with a specific messed up computer that can do it. I'm not sure they could emulate it inhouse. |
| 10:16.22 | Gnarfoz | do you have another machine you could verify that theory on? ^^ |
| 10:16.31 | VIad | fel rush disconnect is related to the overlapping parts of the map more or less, charging across different terrain types can cause a DC |
| 10:16.43 | VIad | I'd also advice to turn off all addons Kinesia |
| 10:16.51 | VIad | testing this when running 100 addons is not good |
| 10:16.58 | VIad | chances are some addon doing something |
| 10:17.51 | Kinesia | Nah, it's an addon problem. The API is _meant_ to work, if it's not then that's a problem. Turning off Addons is not the solution, fixing the API is. |
| 10:18.04 | VIad | Semlar can probably confirm, but hunter disengage suffers from another type of DC issue. like turning camera around too quick, you can disconnect when you land :P |
| 10:18.27 | Kinesia | API should not ever be able to break things. (I know that that's unreasonable, I test for a living, but it's an ideal) |
| 10:18.27 | VIad | was thinking if you call the API and certain events fire that make some addons do stuff that cause the disconnect |
| 10:18.54 | VIad | calling GetItemInfo a million times in a for loop might do stuff you wouldn't expect, doesn't mean the API is at fault :d |
| 10:19.07 | VIad | just not designed to be used that way based on how its used in the blizz UI |
| 10:19.46 | VIad | maybe something similar happens, maybe some addon uses some api in response to the GetAll query that returned the event that data is available, I dunno, hard to say :d |
| 10:19.54 | VIad | but I dont struggle with UI disconnects like that |
| 10:20.06 | VIad | that suggests either the PC is weird, so test on another one :/ |
| 10:20.10 | VIad | or some addon |
| 10:20.42 | VIad | you got laptop and desktop didnt you say? could test |
| 10:20.54 | Kinesia | I agree. It's the places where it's not called explicitly that the problem. Like just opening the AH, it gets called for everything in your Auction queue (None of which is preloaded prior to this) and I don't think it's an addon in that case, it just is. It shouldn't be disconnecting though, it should negotiate between client and server until CPU on both boxes and network between them can |
| 10:20.54 | Kinesia | handle it. |
| 10:22.00 | VIad | fel rush disconnects, turning camera around too fast disconnects, hunter disengage disconnect, not fixed, been in game for ages |
| 10:22.04 | Kinesia | Yeah, I'll have more time on the weekend and will test on my work laptop. But the main difference is I'm throttling the CPU on my gaming laptop, but Wow is _meant_ to work on lower cpu systems than a lot of other games, so this shouldn't necessarily just be failing. |
| 10:22.19 | VIad | doubt they'll fix it unless its a problem in the blizz UI as well :D |
| 10:22.50 | Kinesia | I reckon any disconnect is a fail. It should stay in game, freeze for second and bring up an error window. |
| 10:23.08 | VIad | positioning wide disconnects, I'd like if they just made the client adjust and revert to whatever the server thinks you should be at instead of disconnecting you |
| 10:23.32 | VIad | if you fel rush somewhere and the server doesn't agree just make the client TP you where it says you should be :/ |
| 10:23.51 | Kinesia | yep, that sounds good |
| 10:23.53 | VIad | and if the client is confused at least like wait a second before causing the disconnect, if the server doesnt respond quick enough |
| 10:24.23 | Kinesia | renegotiate rather than reject |
| 10:24.49 | VIad | it probably tries but feels like it doesnt try hard enough ,_, |
| 10:25.11 | VIad | fel rush into water can also disconnect when I think about it, justl ess instances with water nearby :d |
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| 10:42.57 | VIad | what would happen if you replaced all textures ingame with nicolas cage? and all the sounds with "not the bees" |
| 10:43.41 | Gnarfoz | it would look dumb? |
| 10:43.49 | VIad | I think it could look amazing |
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| 11:10.45 | Gnarfoz | beezarre |
| 11:15.23 | VIad | Gnarfoz: how do you find the will to code? I have ideas but I feel burnt out :( |
| 11:15.36 | VIad | tons of stuff I should do in my addons |
| 11:26.04 | Gnarfoz | who says I do? |
| 11:26.48 | Gnarfoz | I barely code anything at all ^^ |
| 11:28.13 | Gnarfoz | I'm having a hard time even motivating myself to play (not because I don't like it, just... in general :D lazing around on the sofa watching shows that have accumulated is a lot easier. :D) |
| 11:46.57 | VIad | Gnarfoz: ,_, |
| 11:47.12 | VIad | I code at work and feel the effects of burnout |
| 11:47.35 | VIad | lately been playing more than coding in my spare time |
| 11:47.39 | VIad | or watching shows online |
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| 12:29.06 | VIad | I wish you could assign talents to gear setstoo |
| 12:29.46 | VIad | I have a raid and a m+ setup with different legendaries and talents, but I gotta do the talent bit manually :( |
| 12:37.33 | karl_w_w | I'm sure there's an addon for that |
| 12:38.09 | karl_w_w | or did I just do that with macros |
| 12:38.13 | karl_w_w | don't remember |
| 12:38.32 | _Kee | I wish changing specs on raid was cheapier :( |
| 12:39.19 | _Kee | changing talents beetween aoe/st spec* |
| 12:40.21 | VIad | _Kee: in raids we just HS, swap, get summoned |
| 12:40.30 | VIad | it's that or 800g per book ;d |
| 12:41.05 | Shockah|Work | inb4 can't summon inside the raid anymore |
| 12:41.36 | _Kee | This would take really long on farm. |
| 12:43.16 | _Kee | Right now, you can summon even on M+. Like, HS to dala, change spec, and get summoned for last boss. |
| 12:51.48 | VIad | Shockah|Work: we summoned inside raid yesterday, stop trolling :D |
| 12:52.28 | Shockah|Work | i know you can, but it would be funny if Blizz decided you're supposed to use the inscription items and blocked summoning into the raid directly |
| 12:55.15 | VIad | jupp |
| 12:55.53 | VIad | considering how stupid the talent swap thing is with those books now, if they did that, it would be hell |
| 12:56.15 | VIad | the only change is I dont even swap talents anymore except in cities. books are not worth the 800g per book :P |
| 12:56.26 | VIad | major bummer for everyone |
| 12:56.46 | Shockah|Work | i should go back to work already... http://imgur.com/a/J9HAF |
| 12:57.03 | Shockah|Work | spent the whole morning coding a .poll command |
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| 12:58.22 | VIad | reminds me of our casino addon |
| 12:58.41 | VIad | roll diff pays that in gold to the winner. we are doing 10k rolls |
| 13:07.42 | Gnarfoz | better not get reported ;) |
| 13:07.53 | VIad | can do whatever you want with gold |
| 13:08.01 | VIad | just not involve IRL currencies :p |
| 13:08.08 | VIad | you can gamble all you want |
| 13:08.23 | VIad | they abolished the rule around TBC |
| 13:08.49 | Gnarfoz | that'd be news to me |
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| 13:12.03 | VIad | https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/1658714327#post-17 |
| 13:12.48 | VIad | mind you this is 7 years old xd |
| 13:13.18 | VIad | seems you can't /y or /1 advertise for people to join your gambling game |
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| 13:18.01 | VIad | wb Semlar |
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| 13:35.57 | VIad | _G = Semlar |
| 13:50.41 | VIad | TIL "philippine peso" is "PHP" kek :d |
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| 14:12.26 | Phixion | pays VIad in php |
| 14:12.34 | Phixion | o/\o |
| 14:14.21 | VIad | :D |
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| 14:16.32 | VIad | you know how the hp bar predicts shields on top of your hp - how about predict the heal effect from frenzied regen/death strike? |
| 14:16.42 | VIad | mechanic is heal X% of dmg taken last Y seconds |
| 14:16.51 | VIad | seems like a neat thing to visualize :p |
| 14:16.54 | Shockah|Work | (or 10% minimum) |
| 14:17.08 | VIad | aye |
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| 14:17.31 | Shockah|Work | i did it in my WeakAuras healthbar |
| 14:17.38 | VIad | ye |
| 14:17.43 | VIad | but custom code man ,_, |
| 14:17.45 | VIad | feels so dirty! |
| 14:17.47 | Shockah|Work | well, i took someone else's aura |
| 14:17.51 | Shockah|Work | and modified it to my own use case |
| 14:17.52 | Shockah|Work | but yeah |
| 14:17.52 | Shockah|Work | lol |
| 14:18.05 | nebula | VIad: there are APIs for it, so it's not that hard |
| 14:18.39 | nebula | unless you mean before you actually use it, which you probably are |
| 14:18.49 | nebula | /are/do/ |
| 14:19.13 | VIad | before use, to indicate what you'd get if you use it |
| 14:19.16 | nebula | yea |
| 14:19.25 | VIad | could be a simple player aura and could read the heal using UnitAura API |
| 14:19.52 | VIad | like how vengeance before indicated how much you had taken last 5 seconds |
| 14:19.57 | VIad | you could UnitAura it :d |
| 14:20.07 | VIad | the vengeance aura all tanks had |
| 14:22.15 | VIad | reading the amount of dmg taken last 5 seconds requires parsing the CLEU and I always try to avoid that since it fires A LOT |
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| 16:16.26 | VIad | nebula: thats smart, you read the module states in the addons.txt and ported it in, wp :) |
| 16:17.12 | VIad | nebula: can you make addons for the wrong class to appear as disabled? |
| 16:17.27 | VIad | like I am on my DH and wanna disable chi module but it doesnt even show :p so someday when I log a monk it will be enabled :D |
| 16:18.56 | nebula | just log on to your different toons |
| 16:20.04 | nebula | i had to do it by current profile because you could have different addons disabled for different chars |
| 16:22.33 | VIad | I know |
| 16:22.35 | nebula | but i guess there's a problem there if you share a profile with multiple classes /shrug what i get for being lazy not setting the sv directly i guess |
| 16:22.41 | VIad | I use one profile for all |
| 16:22.43 | VIad | :d |
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| 16:25.26 | zenzelezz | I love these anecdotes https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20040213-00/?p=40633 |
| 16:45.39 | karl_w_w | this video is pretty hilarious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK8i6aMG9VM |
| 16:45.46 | karl_w_w | and old, right mckenziemc? |
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| 17:31.13 | mckenziemc | i wouldn't know, i don't usually follow youtube links |
| 17:34.23 | Primer | "PitBull4 has been updated to load all of it's[sic] modules..." |
| 17:34.26 | Primer | sigh |
| 17:35.41 | Stanzilla | haha nebula |
| 17:36.42 | nebula | apostrophes are hard, ok |
| 17:37.23 | Primer | it's == it is, always |
| 17:37.29 | nebula | i know the rule |
| 17:37.30 | Primer | simple rule to follow |
| 17:39.28 | mckenziemc | except when its not |
| 17:45.09 | Primer | It's only not when you do it incorrectly, as above |
| 17:45.39 | Primer | and by above, I mean, what you just wrote |
| 17:47.20 | mckenziemc | i know :p |
| 17:47.32 | Primer | I figured you were trolling though |
| 17:48.27 | mckenziemc | partly, and partly reflecting on how hard a simple thing is for many people |
| 17:48.54 | mckenziemc | no one ever writes/types hi's |
| 17:51.55 | zenzelezz | hey, if he wants to do that, that's hi's choice |
| 17:57.02 | mckenziemc | well i guess there's Hi and Lois |
| 17:58.42 | mckenziemc | which is old, karl_w_w |
| 18:03.37 | TheDanW | Kinesia: i'll put it on the list to look into, but since you're the only one experiencing it (afaik) and it's not clear if its actually on our end it's somewhat low priority to look at |
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| 19:06.22 | znf | I don't suppose anyone has extended experience with pSQL |
| 19:07.01 | znf | doing pg_upgradecluster gets me lots of errors |
| 19:07.04 | znf | this should be fun |
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| 19:38.47 | Gnarfoz | I'm having a fun evening, too. need to move stuff across filesystem boundaries, which means at the worst point, I'll have it twice. however, that brings me within ~4% of max space available on our SAN :| |
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| 19:45.29 | kd3 | eek |
| 19:46.19 | zenzelezz | Gnarfoz: so your SANs are almost sans space |
| 19:46.37 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 19:47.23 | Gnarfoz | also, thanks Red Hat for not supporting ext4 >16 TiB and wanting money for XFS on RHEL6 (even though it's the default file system on RHEL7) |
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| 19:52.11 | Kinesia | TheDanW: Thank you. Rather than looking for individual cases, I'd prefer that the error behaviour was just something other than disconnection. Sending requests to the server shouldn't be able to disconnect the client... I think it's happening to me specifically because I've underclocked my cpu by half and the low latency realm returns data too fast, because my high latency server has different |
| 19:52.11 | Kinesia | behaviour on the same computer. |
| 19:52.57 | Ressy | I've gotten disconnected before when too much info was pulled from server, formatted, and pushed into an editbox. |
| 19:53.08 | Ressy | We've had to split it up into multiple editboxes to keep me from getting disconnected. |
| 19:53.11 | Ressy | If thats the issue? |
| 19:53.12 | Gnarfoz | different issue (and different direction) |
| 19:53.45 | Gnarfoz | (...from my understanding) |
| 19:54.12 | Ressy | As far as I'm aware, it never even got to the formatting stage, just disconnected me after the pull from server was just too much. |
| 19:54.57 | Gnarfoz | "sending requests shouldn't be able to disconnect the client" sounds like the other way around |
| 19:55.27 | Ressy | I never saw the original issue. |
| 19:55.51 | Ressy | But, I don't like the behaviour either where you request info from the server, and if its too much, get disconnected. |
| 19:56.02 | Ressy | Which I have run into. |
| 19:58.57 | Kinesia | Hi Ressy, this the AH primarily, but it seems to be the GetItemInfo calls. |
| 19:59.02 | Ressy | nods |
| 19:59.23 | Ressy | We do profession data, but do GetItemInfo calls in it. |
| 20:00.26 | Kinesia | GetAll scans, which was the original primary cause of disconnects, mostly work now, but there are other cases where the same kind of thing occurs. But my opinion is basically that if it is legal for me to do in the API it shouldn't be kicking me out. |
| 20:01.31 | Semlar | just because something is possible to do with the api, doesn't mean it won't break the game |
| 20:02.19 | Kinesia | You have Client CPU, Server CPU (which shouldnt be a bottleneck anymore), then the bandwidth and latency between them. Ideally you throttle down to the lowest resource you have and send the data through at that speed. GetITemInfo already has delay allowances and doesn't guarantee data immediately, so there's no need for disconnection on top of that. |
| 20:03.22 | Semlar | sounds to me like you're just making too many requests to the server |
| 20:03.44 | nebula | who are you to judge him! |
| 20:04.11 | Semlar | i don't have to judge, the client is doing it |
| 20:04.53 | Kinesia | Which would be valid if I had a _choice_ but I don't. I have 2000 Auctions posted. If I open the AH then even the Blizzard api makes the calls to get the data for the My Auctions tab. I can't stop or throttle it myself. |
| 20:06.23 | nebula | 2000? they should probably just ban you |
| 20:06.39 | kullervo | Kinesia: tradeskillmaster has workarounds. Blizzard just fucked up their AH code this expansion, so you should spread auctions across multiple alts. 1k or so per character, at most. |
| 20:07.02 | kullervo | nebula: I peaket at maybe 5k auctions in WoD >_> |
| 20:07.19 | Exzu | How do I get the width of a blizzard frame? Like i.e The width of the InterfaceConfig-Panel frame? |
| 20:07.27 | nebula | if the majority of those are single stackable items, i hate you |
| 20:07.30 | Semlar | frame:GetWidth() |
| 20:07.55 | Exzu | Semlar: Yes, but is there an list with the name of all blizzard frames available? |
| 20:08.22 | kullervo | nebula: at one point, I posted every possible stack size of all potions just to fuck with people. They happily paid 1500% regular price, too... |
| 20:08.25 | nebula | ...kinda of? better to build your own list, though |
| 20:08.36 | Semlar | you can type /fstack and hover over the frame |
| 20:08.47 | Kinesia | Thanks for the chat. Time to go to work unfortunately... |
| 20:09.05 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure the auction ui doesn't actually call GetItemInfo on all of your auctions |
| 20:09.27 | TheDanW | it's a bit more complicated than that |
| 20:09.46 | znf | How's that auction house rework progress for 8.0? |
| 20:09.56 | TheDanW | i'm not sure what part of the process would be triggering a disconnect |
| 20:10.05 | Semlar | i'm going to consider getting disconnected after posting 2000 auctions to be more of a feature |
| 20:10.07 | Exzu | Semlar: Cheers for that |
| 20:10.33 | znf | You get D/C'd after posting 2000 auctions? |
| 20:10.33 | znf | NICE |
| 20:10.38 | znf | Can we lower the number to 500? |
| 20:10.41 | znf | or, even, 100? |
| 20:10.45 | znf | so people stop posting stacks of 1? |
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| 20:11.11 | Semlar | can you imagine if they throttled auction listings |
| 20:11.13 | nebula | it should just shadow list all the stacks of 1, so people get confused about why they always get returned |
| 20:13.14 | Kinesia | znf: my machine is hugely underclocked, which is probably why I'm getting it more than other people. And most of mine are battlepets, so unfortunately I can't stack them. (And who wants to buy 200 Fishy anyway?) |
| 20:13.52 | znf | Vendor them |
| 20:13.53 | Ressy | lol |
| 20:13.58 | Semlar | i really doubt you're getting dc'd because of your cpu |
| 20:14.35 | znf | Set rendering scale to 50% |
| 20:14.38 | znf | :D |
| 20:14.49 | Semlar | why are you underclocking it anyway |
| 20:15.41 | znf | I think he means underpowered |
| 20:15.46 | Semlar | i don't think so |
| 20:15.47 | Kinesia | It's overheating, it needs taking apart and cleaning, but I don't have the time (or possibly the steady hands) to do that with a laptop. With a desktop i'd be fine |
| 20:15.52 | Ressy | nods |
| 20:15.54 | Ressy | makes sense |
| 20:16.20 | znf | Got an air compressor? |
| 20:16.25 | znf | Just blow air in it! |
| 20:16.33 | znf | Dust will fly out :P |
| 20:16.34 | Semlar | you sure it's not just your network not handling the packets |
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| 20:17.11 | Gnarfoz | I'm sure there's a lot of guesswork involved |
| 20:17.13 | Kinesia | I thinks it's a mix of things, not just the cpu, I get slightly different behaviour on two servers, one US, one Australian. Network is definitely part of it. |
| 20:17.21 | Semlar | i mean you could get dc'd if it's actually locking up your game for a period of time |
| 20:17.33 | Kinesia | I can reproduce it all fairly reliably now though. |
| 20:17.34 | Semlar | but that shouldn't be happening |
| 20:18.21 | Kinesia | It is. There are definite freezes. Sometimes the game recovers from them but not always. |
| 20:19.26 | Semlar | with the default interface |
| 20:19.31 | Kinesia | On the weekend when I have more time I'll get in a situation that is always disconnecting. I'll copy the WTF to my work laptop and retry the same thing there. |
| 20:20.26 | Kinesia | It's not the default interface, no, but it shouldn't have to be. The api is allowed. But I'll try it with the default UI in that case too. |
| 20:21.11 | Kinesia | Anyway, definitely have to leave! |
| 20:21.13 | Semlar | if you can't reproduce it with the default ui then you're just doing something wrong that needs to be corrected |
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| 20:24.28 | Semlar | on the other hand guill isn't here to defend himself so you can just blame him |
| 20:34.23 | Gnarfoz | I do wonder when this data copy will finish, estimate based on actual result is about 2x as slow as estimate based on observer transfer speed |
| 20:34.28 | Gnarfoz | no idea how that can be :D |
| 20:45.09 | Ressy | Niceee! |
| 20:45.11 | Ressy | zg virus v2 |
| 20:45.12 | Ressy | https://twitter.com/thegoldqueen/status/819646095655632896 |
| 20:45.41 | Gnarfoz | is it strong enough to care about? |
| 20:46.07 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 20:46.18 | Ressy | for alts/low levels prolly.. lol |
| 20:46.26 | Ressy | And its probably getting all the npcs |
| 20:47.21 | Ressy | lvl 52 died. |
| 20:47.43 | Gnarfoz | how far does it "increase"? |
| 20:48.33 | Gnarfoz | (also, shame I can't fetch that from you, region lockouts be damned!) |
| 20:50.56 | Gnarfoz | http://i.imgur.com/vo3tFGF.png hurry up, you lazy knob |
| 20:53.06 | Alram | it seems to be pretty bad |
| 20:53.12 | Alram | but fine on 110 |
| 20:53.25 | Alram | goldshire is sad though |
| 20:54.37 | Ressy | oh? |
| 20:54.45 | Ressy | dead bodies everywhere? |
| 20:58.36 | Alram | of all the low levels yeah |
| 20:58.45 | Alram | i can have a look |
| 21:01.15 | Alram | there is a squad of people ressing everyone now |
| 21:01.17 | Alram | so nice |
| 21:01.41 | Alram | https://marlamin.com/u/Wow-64_2017-01-12_22-01-34-6X6W19cF.jpg |
| 21:02.06 | Gnarfoz | so it's on EU, too, Alram? nice |
| 21:02.25 | Alram | goldqueen is on my server |
| 21:02.30 | Alram | so yes |
| 21:02.39 | Gnarfoz | ah, I assumed US because Ressy |
| 21:02.54 | Gnarfoz | didn't look ^^ |
| 21:03.02 | Gnarfoz | Alram: go forth and spread it across realms! |
| 21:03.13 | znf | I WANT THAT TOO |
| 21:03.16 | Alram | no i am not a dick |
| 21:03.23 | Gnarfoz | (I'd come fetch it, but I'm busy >_<) |
| 21:03.27 | znf | give EU Horde |
| 21:04.05 | Gnarfoz | that might require some mind controlling :> |
| 21:04.33 | znf | how to get it? :P |
| 21:06.08 | Gnarfoz | CRZ to Alram's server, of course |
| 21:07.15 | znf | I don't seem to have Alram in my bnet list anymore |
| 21:07.43 | Alram | you do but am not online |
| 21:07.56 | znf | :( |
| 21:07.59 | znf | I want that! |
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| 21:16.45 | znf | there's nobody in goldshire with it on my realm :( |
| 21:18.12 | znf | OH |
| 21:18.16 | znf | Someone appeared with it :o |
| 21:18.39 | Ressy | lol |
| 21:19.55 | znf | got it |
| 21:20.12 | znf | NOOOOOO |
| 21:20.15 | znf | it got removed on teleport |
| 21:20.48 | Gnarfoz | that's probably a precaution from the original incident ^^ |
| 21:21.13 | znf | I even had to freakin MC a guy to get it |
| 21:21.16 | znf | and he wanted to kill me... |
| 21:22.43 | mckenziemc | Alram: why would you not do that :( |
| 21:23.19 | znf | I want to do that :-S |
| 21:23.29 | znf | but I need one more person for it |
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| 21:30.17 | znf | YOUR FUCKING FACTION IS FULL OF DENSE MOTHERFUCKERS |
| 21:30.20 | znf | I just want the damn debuff |
| 21:32.04 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 21:32.05 | znf | and some way to get it to orgrimmar :-S |
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| 22:27.10 | kd3 | ah, do we have a new blood plague? |
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| 23:38.39 | foxlit | learning and unlearning Incarnation fixed it |
| 23:39.27 | nevcairiel | i had such issues before when they re-shuffled talents |
| 23:39.32 | nevcairiel | but its always hit or miss |
| 23:45.46 | foxlit | lingering bad state would make sense; it's curious that it'd persist through changing specs but not changing actual talents. |
| 23:50.34 | Gnarfoz | file under "the game's inner workings remain mysterious" |
