| 00:01.22 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/AYQnv35.png |
| 00:01.22 | znf | :( |
| 00:01.24 | znf | still lost |
| 00:02.51 | foxlit | psht, who needs fps'es. Switch to sc2 multiplayer. |
| 00:04.05 | znf | nah |
| 00:04.15 | znf | I can't play at asian level |
| 00:04.45 | foxlit | I don't see how that matters; there's 42 leagues between you and asian level in either game. |
| 00:05.07 | znf | I probably can't make the first league, either |
| 00:34.25 | fewyn | who needs league when you can play the AH and make mad money |
| 00:43.53 | fewyn | thanks wonder trade |
| 00:44.01 | fewyn | i now have all 3 starters in pokemon sun |
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| 09:23.50 | VIad | znf: healing done is neat but if your team is bad, what to do? :p |
| 09:24.13 | znf | I wouldn't say bad |
| 09:24.23 | znf | I mean, it was really close |
| 09:24.28 | znf | they won 4 to 3 |
| 09:24.43 | znf | the match took about 20 minutes, so it was pretty even I'd say |
| 09:25.27 | VIad | it was ranked? |
| 09:25.41 | VIad | I dont remember clear rounds back in quick play |
| 09:29.22 | nevcairiel | placement maybe |
| 09:32.15 | znf | yeah, placement |
| 09:32.23 | znf | what's a clear round? |
| 09:47.47 | VIad | I mean like, quick play didn't clearly state out the rounds of games back when I played. |
| 09:48.25 | VIad | in competitive it says "round 3 complete" and so on, since you said you played 7 rounds, either you counted the rounds in quick play or something, or competitive :d |
| 09:59.55 | Shockah|Work | how should i even bind spells on a tank |
| 10:00.01 | Shockah|Work | i just hit 110 on my DK yesterday |
| 10:00.28 | Shockah|Work | but i have no idea how to bind cooldowns (and other spells i guess?) properly |
| 10:00.34 | Semlar | taunt |
| 10:00.38 | Shockah|Work | and by properly i mean "to be easy to use" |
| 10:00.47 | Semlar | just bind every key to taunt |
| 10:00.54 | Shockah|Work | i have basic rotation on 1-6 + mouseover taunt on F |
| 10:02.16 | Semlar | maybe reserve one for battle rez when someone pulls aggro while taunt is on cooldown |
| 10:03.58 | Semlar | i think the last time i played a tank they had made threat generation a non-issue and put all the focus on rotating defensive cooldowns |
| 10:04.42 | Shockah|Work | i just never played a tank on max level |
| 10:04.51 | Shockah|Work | while levelling it's literally "hit whatever" |
| 10:05.15 | Semlar | go find the guide on icy veins that tells you what your buttons do |
| 10:05.33 | Shockah|Work | i know what they do :P but you know how there's guides how you should keybind stuff and such |
| 10:05.43 | Shockah|Work | i never saw anyone talking about tank-specific setups |
| 10:06.32 | Shockah|Work | i guess i could bind them to F1-F4 |
| 10:06.42 | Semlar | i find key bindings to be pretty personal |
| 10:07.29 | Semlar | i just try to keep things as consistent as possible between my characters |
| 10:07.42 | Semlar | so if there's a key i'm going to be spamming a lot it'll be on the same binding |
| 10:07.53 | Semlar | or a defensive i use infrequently that'll be on the same key |
| 10:09.55 | Semlar | so once you know what your buttons do it's just a matter of splitting them up based on priority |
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| 10:12.33 | nevcairiel | i have my rotation on 1-6 and some select letter keys for taunt and self-heal |
| 10:12.38 | nevcairiel | and cooldowns on shift-16 |
| 10:12.57 | nevcairiel | 1-6* |
| 10:14.17 | nevcairiel | its just a simple matter of binding things that you use frequently onto easy to use keys |
| 10:14.25 | nevcairiel | so long cooldowns are fine w ith a shift modifier |
| 10:14.33 | nevcairiel | rotationals, no way for me |
| 10:14.38 | nevcairiel | (i know others can live with that) |
| 10:15.05 | Shockah|Work | i try keeping single target rotation abilities on 1-4 and aoe on 5-6; T for interrupt, Ctrl+1-4 for soft CC, Shift+1-4 for hard CC |
| 10:15.10 | Shockah|Work | but that's mostly for dps classes |
| 10:15.12 | Shockah|Work | *specs |
| 10:15.36 | Shockah|Work | sometimes i have something from rotation on F |
| 10:15.48 | Semlar | conveniently as a hunter i have no CC |
| 10:15.55 | Shockah|Work | also R for dispel, and in case of my hunter mend/revive pet |
| 10:15.58 | Semlar | so i just roll my face on the keyboard |
| 10:16.09 | Shockah|Work | well, Binding Shot |
| 10:16.14 | Shockah|Work | rarely useful though |
| 10:16.19 | Shockah|Work | not with pug |
| 10:16.23 | Semlar | binding shot doesn't even work half the time |
| 10:16.46 | Semlar | i don't know what causes it to not even attempt to apply to enemies that run through it |
| 10:17.10 | Shockah|Work | it isn't supposed to stun enemies running through it, is it |
| 10:17.18 | Shockah|Work | it's only supposed to force enemies to stay in that circle |
| 10:17.33 | Shockah|Work | if they weren't there to begin with it shouldn't do a thing |
| 10:17.40 | VIad | make it interesting, in raids, no tank uses taunt and you have to overaggro each other to tank the boss on tank swaps and such |
| 10:17.54 | Shockah|Work | i guess i should think of switching to Intimidation |
| 10:18.04 | Shockah|Work | the one target stun |
| 10:18.23 | Shockah|Work | that would be cool but annoying |
| 10:18.34 | Semlar | my point is that it doesn't stun targets that were within its radius when you put it down |
| 10:18.51 | Shockah|Work | maybe you tried to use it on immune enemies |
| 10:18.55 | Shockah|Work | no idea |
| 10:19.03 | Shockah|Work | works just fine on Il'gynoth blobs :S |
| 10:19.10 | Shockah|Work | and spider bitch little spiders |
| 10:22.37 | VIad | why are you going tank, Shockah|Work? |
| 10:22.52 | Shockah|Work | it's just an alt |
| 10:22.59 | Shockah|Work | and i thought i may as well try tanking |
| 10:23.08 | Shockah|Work | levelling as blood was fun |
| 10:23.21 | Shockah|Work | nothing could kill me |
| 10:23.43 | Shockah|Work | ...other than that level 110 danger mob while i was at 108 |
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| 10:28.18 | VIad | my old main was blood :d |
| 10:29.03 | Shockah|Work | hunter main 4 lyfe |
| 10:29.13 | Shockah|Work | but sometimes we really need a tank for mythics+ etc |
| 10:30.20 | VIad | the downside with blood in my eyes, is lack of good mitigation CDs |
| 10:30.47 | VIad | they got icebound fortitude back, but its 3 minutes, on certain raid bosses, its too long to be viable, think cenarius spear |
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| 10:31.40 | nevcairiel | complains about missing CDs, plays a DH |
| 10:31.41 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 10:31.42 | VIad | I'd get the rune tap on cenarius fight :p |
| 10:31.49 | Shockah|Work | also yeah, that thing - i gotta learn tank tactics now lol |
| 10:31.52 | VIad | my DH has rune tap baseline |
| 10:32.02 | VIad | it's stronger than rune tap for DKs |
| 10:32.07 | nevcairiel | DH cooldowns are a joke though |
| 10:32.55 | VIad | only thing I miss on my DH is single grips, was handy, antimagic shell since it doesnt let debuff applications, and death strike that heals 50% of all dmg taken last 5 seconds |
| 10:33.14 | VIad | otherwise as DH the aoe silence, disorient and grip with low CDs, priceless |
| 10:33.25 | nevcairiel | those dont help for shit in raids :D |
| 10:33.29 | VIad | in m+ I can reliably keep a grouped pack of mobs constantly feared |
| 10:33.55 | VIad | dunno, doing okay in raids if you ask me |
| 10:34.10 | nevcairiel | EN is not a particularly challenging raid tier |
| 10:34.35 | VIad | I like how you are doing your best to talk down on DH tanks even for future raid tiers that arent out yet, not to mention class changes :p |
| 10:34.55 | nevcairiel | can only judge from what we have now and what raids we had in the past |
| 10:34.56 | VIad | fyi on the ptr they already buffed DH a bit |
| 10:34.58 | nevcairiel | and EN is a joke |
| 10:35.50 | VIad | I liked it |
| 10:35.59 | VIad | has its challenging moments |
| 10:36.05 | nevcairiel | its fine from a fun perspective, but its super easy |
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| 10:37.05 | VIad | what are you tanking on cenarius? |
| 10:37.25 | nevcairiel | Anyway the point is that DHs don't have a strong mitigation cooldown. Whats the highest that goes, 40% on fiery brand with its awkward mechanic to apply it on the mob? |
| 10:38.08 | VIad | demon spikes atm gives me 45% physical dmg reduction if I get hit |
| 10:38.17 | VIad | wouldnt say its weak |
| 10:38.49 | VIad | around 33% parry when I use it, additional 14% dodge on the side |
| 10:39.22 | nevcairiel | parry is dangerous, especially on hard-hitting mobs |
| 10:39.33 | VIad | thats why the 45% flat physical dmg reduction is nice |
| 10:39.38 | VIad | if I don't avoid the dmg, I take half of it |
| 10:40.08 | nevcairiel | All I know is that on mechanics like odyns spear or even cenarius spear, I usually take way way less damage |
| 10:40.41 | VIad | thats true. but it wouldnt be a big difference if you use a blood or a vengeance tank on that mechanic |
| 10:41.28 | VIad | besides when clearing full EN you have different pros and cons with the various tank classes. like paladin solo tanking cenarius, something a druid can't manage :p |
| 10:42.01 | nevcairiel | solo tanking things usually comes down to some specific cheese ability, not the general strength |
| 10:42.26 | VIad | I'd say for that fight, the paladin has the toolkit to perform better |
| 10:42.58 | VIad | not about cheese, as blizz could just make the mechanic ignore any form of debuff removing effects if they wanted to enforce tank swap or whatever |
| 10:43.49 | VIad | imo its about figuring out fights and using your tanks where they are strongest. ofc you can just 2/3 druid tank all EN and still make it fine since the overall mitigation on druids is good atm. |
| 10:43.52 | nevcairiel | usually they dont bother to fix simple things like that |
| 10:44.12 | VIad | just because druids are good now doesnt mean they will be later after balancing changes |
| 10:44.26 | VIad | and doesnt mean you should reroll all tanks to druid just because meta |
| 10:44.55 | VIad | for example on cenarius I can avoid damage entirely when I tank the dragons by leaping away :p |
| 10:45.26 | VIad | ideally I can keep a leap rotation back and forth so the draogns have to run half the fight instead of attacking me in the face, less healing req. |
| 10:45.52 | VIad | we had our first kill yesterday so didnt have time to do those kind of tweaks and planning, but in hindsight it is viable |
| 10:46.41 | nevcairiel | having the dragons move around all the time seems risky with their breath, as the others can't really rely on at least it coming from the same direction |
| 10:46.50 | Funkeh` | wasn't there a website that gave you an addon from a code snippet |
| 10:47.05 | VIad | addon.bool.no |
| 10:47.10 | VIad | probably |
| 10:47.46 | Funkeh` | ty |
| 10:48.04 | VIad | the dragons turned away and faced raid many times on the 2nd wave of adds, just people running too close regardless to kite roots |
| 10:48.13 | VIad | first kill is never perfect |
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| 10:49.34 | VIad | Shockah|Work: tremble before me talent is kind of bad unless you need it for CC in m+ :p |
| 10:51.40 | Shockah|Work | i don't even remember which of these i have on my DK |
| 10:51.47 | Shockah|Work | i didn't check it after hitting 110 |
| 10:51.50 | Shockah|Work | and before it's whatever anyway |
| 10:51.53 | VIad | yeah |
| 10:51.59 | VIad | icy-veins usually has nice guides to get started |
| 10:53.10 | Shockah|Work | lol, i opened https://worldofwarcraft.com/ from Google, redirected me to https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/, so i edited the URL in address bar to https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gn/ -> automatically redirected me to en-gb |
| 10:53.21 | VIad | ,_, |
| 10:53.25 | Shockah|Work | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/ghostlands/Raginhard/simple |
| 10:53.36 | VIad | classy name |
| 10:53.46 | Shockah|Work | to be honest, that was a super old character name |
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| 10:53.55 | Shockah|Work | from a name generator |
| 10:54.02 | Shockah|Work | and i didn't realize its meaning back then |
| 10:54.03 | Shockah|Work | lol |
| 10:54.19 | Shockah|Work | i was just "oh, sounds cool" |
| 10:55.49 | VIad | TIL armory says that EN is trivial content an I should do TOV+NH :D |
| 10:56.31 | Shockah|Work | it says optimal for me for EN, hmm |
| 10:56.36 | Shockah|Work | guess it actually checks for ilvl |
| 10:56.48 | VIad | also last week I learned that if you got the hidden artifact on a offspec, you can use that to unlock appearances for the hidden artifact you dont yet have on your other specs >_> |
| 10:56.55 | Shockah|Work | yep |
| 10:56.59 | Shockah|Work | except they said it's a bug |
| 10:57.04 | nevcairiel | but you actually need to play the offspec <.< |
| 10:57.05 | VIad | but its still usable :p |
| 10:57.07 | VIad | yea |
| 10:57.09 | Shockah|Work | usable... for now |
| 10:57.14 | VIad | doing WQ/dungeons on my dps |
| 10:57.14 | nevcairiel | i have the two offspecs i never play |
| 10:57.20 | nevcairiel | none of the two specs i do play |
| 10:57.21 | VIad | even some BGs |
| 10:57.40 | VIad | the bug is that they use achievement statistics to track the unlocks |
| 10:57.45 | VIad | but there is only one shared statistic |
| 10:57.58 | VIad | they just increment the numbers if you have your current specs hidden artifact unlocked |
| 10:58.06 | VIad | and add +1 on the different criterias as you do stuff |
| 10:58.24 | nevcairiel | i dont think the bug is that you unlock them char wide, but that you can actually use them without the primary being unlocked |
| 10:58.27 | VIad | if they want to fix it they would have to first figure out what spec you actually did the content on so they can create additional trackers and wipe them clean :P |
| 10:58.36 | VIad | aha |
| 10:58.42 | VIad | that I gues they can easily fix |
| 10:58.47 | VIad | still farming that 1% drop |
| 11:00.32 | VIad | I've tried so hard, and got so far, but in the end, it doesn't even mater. |
| 11:01.02 | nevcairiel | at least you get a daily solo chance, i have to raid EN for eternity |
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| 11:26.13 | VIad | blizz wrote they'll up the drop to be higher in raids, right? |
| 11:26.22 | VIad | like world bosses are getting 100% |
| 11:26.54 | nevcairiel | they didnt say that specifically, only hinted at shit |
| 11:27.05 | nevcairiel | i would love a 100% drop every couple weeks instead of a rare drop every week |
| 11:27.13 | nevcairiel | because then i would have it by now |
| 11:27.13 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 11:27.43 | VIad | they should just make that each kill adds a flat % buff on the next |
| 11:28.07 | VIad | each raid boss kill adds 7% next week for that boss, for that appearance |
| 11:28.30 | VIad | the daily type bosses could add 1% each day and so forth |
| 11:28.36 | nevcairiel | i even did normal this week because i was bored and hoping |
| 11:28.43 | VIad | legendary drops bro |
| 11:28.57 | VIad | the legendary drop % are smaller each time you get a legendary |
| 11:29.09 | VIad | read that top guilds make new characters if they didnt get the BIS legendaries |
| 11:29.16 | VIad | is that still a think in 7.1.5? :/ |
| 11:29.32 | Shockah|Work | it's not that they are smaller |
| 11:30.00 | Shockah|Work | someone claimed it took him about 100x mythic+ for one legendary, until he hit 4 legendaries |
| 11:30.11 | nevcairiel | there is no confirmed data either way |
| 11:30.15 | Shockah|Work | and then he didn't get any |
| 11:30.31 | nevcairiel | and for the longest time they turned of the badluck protection after you got 4 |
| 11:30.33 | VIad | blizz likes to hide behind walls and not say anything technical |
| 11:30.34 | nevcairiel | but they changed that |
| 11:30.36 | Shockah|Work | and apparently the code stopped giving you bad luck protection after 4 legendaries |
| 11:30.39 | Shockah|Work | but they removed it |
| 11:30.45 | VIad | they changed that, mind you after a huge outrage |
| 11:30.58 | nevcairiel | huge outrage from a tiny group of people |
| 11:31.05 | VIad | but they say that the base drop chance for legendaries shrink as you get legendaries |
| 11:31.06 | nevcairiel | extremely few people even reached that point |
| 11:31.07 | Shockah|Work | so there's no point to make new characters anymore |
| 11:31.15 | Shockah|Work | does it? |
| 11:31.33 | VIad | I guess we will find out as time passes |
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| 11:32.16 | VIad | like if I ever want to go offspec and get legendaries later in the expansion, I'd be sad if I had to wait half year for the legendary to drop xD |
| 11:32.59 | Shockah|Work | imo if that's the case it should only count viable legendaries for your spec |
| 11:33.10 | Shockah|Work | if it's a spec-specific legendary, it shouldn't count towards the formula |
| 11:33.14 | VIad | think its per character atm |
| 11:33.18 | Shockah|Work | yeah |
| 11:33.23 | VIad | so have fun druids :D |
| 11:33.33 | VIad | cat bear healer ;d |
| 11:33.47 | VIad | oh btw a quickie |
| 11:33.57 | VIad | I see people use "#t > 1" type checks |
| 11:34.02 | VIad | I use "t[2]" :P |
| 11:34.15 | VIad | performance wise, feels faster(?) |
| 11:34.22 | Shockah|Work | ...that's a thing? |
| 11:34.30 | nevcairiel | looks stupid though |
| 11:34.34 | Shockah|Work | ^ |
| 11:34.39 | Shockah|Work | less readable |
| 11:34.44 | VIad | sure, but why bother to count how many entries there are in the table? |
| 11:34.45 | Shockah|Work | obfuscated even i'd say |
| 11:34.50 | VIad | if the table is thousands of entries long? |
| 11:35.13 | Shockah|Work | oh right i was wondering "is there a count at the end of a table" |
| 11:35.21 | Shockah|Work | but it's just checking if the element exists lol |
| 11:35.22 | VIad | or does # look up some underlying value that doesn't require computation? |
| 11:35.39 | Shockah|Work | if you have holes it always returns the highest index |
| 11:35.41 | VIad | yeah I was just checking if element at index 2 exists instead of doing a >1 |
| 11:35.46 | Shockah|Work | so i guess it doesn't loop through the whole thing |
| 11:35.56 | VIad | hmm |
| 11:36.06 | Shockah|Work | say you have something at index 1 and 5, but nil at 2-4 |
| 11:36.11 | VIad | yeah |
| 11:36.12 | Shockah|Work | #table returns 5 |
| 11:36.17 | nevcairiel | the value in slot 2 could also be false |
| 11:36.20 | nevcairiel | and everyhting fails :D |
| 11:36.30 | VIad | t[2]~=nil |
| 11:36.31 | Semlar | if you have holes it doesn't return the highest index |
| 11:36.33 | nevcairiel | but i would hope it maintains the element count without needing to count |
| 11:36.51 | Shockah|Work | ...inb4 i'm spewing bullshit |
| 11:37.14 | nevcairiel | if you have holes, the result is undefined |
| 11:37.15 | nevcairiel | it could be 5 |
| 11:37.17 | nevcairiel | could also be 1 |
| 11:37.20 | Semlar | it depends |
| 11:37.53 | Semlar | if it's set up in a way that it doesn't think the table is a sequential array any more, it could behave unexpectedly |
| 11:38.16 | Semlar | i wouldn't rely on the length attribute being accurate if you start taking elements out |
| 11:38.50 | nevcairiel | yeah it depends how you make the table |
| 11:38.52 | nevcairiel | or how you modify it |
| 11:39.42 | nevcairiel | > t = {1,nil,nil,nil,5}; print(#t) |
| 11:39.43 | nevcairiel | 5 |
| 11:39.43 | nevcairiel | > t = {1}; t[5] = 5; print(#t) |
| 11:39.43 | nevcairiel | 1 |
| 11:39.50 | nevcairiel | etc |
| 11:40.25 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it doesn't actually count the number of entries when you do #t, so it doesn't matter how large the table is in terms of performance |
| 11:40.44 | Semlar | just reading through the scrollback |
| 11:41.12 | VIad | so if you have a table with holes, #t is unreliable |
| 11:41.30 | VIad | should loop and count if you need something more than just "is empty" check |
| 11:41.44 | Semlar | you should only do that with a table you're using table.insert and table.remove to modify |
| 11:41.50 | nevcairiel | > 1 checks for more then just empty, it checks for two elements =p |
| 11:41.57 | VIad | in the case I mentioned, yes |
| 11:42.13 | nevcairiel | for hash tables you can use next to check fi its empty |
| 11:42.17 | VIad | you can for backwards and table.remove safely, and have no gaps |
| 11:42.32 | nevcairiel | if next(t) then -- not empty end |
| 11:42.33 | Semlar | table.remove will never leave gaps |
| 11:42.44 | VIad | I mean you can for and remove in same operation |
| 11:42.56 | VIad | for 1,5 and remove during iteration has bad effects |
| 11:43.14 | nevcairiel | if you just use a numeric for, it makes no difference |
| 11:43.47 | VIad | if you are at 1 and remove 1, then 2 is now actually the old 3 |
| 11:43.57 | VIad | isnt it? if you iterate forward |
| 11:43.57 | Semlar | you could just remove 1 |
| 11:44.09 | VIad | you'd have to adjust the counter in the loop yeah |
| 11:44.20 | VIad | but if it doesnt mater if you go forward or backward, backward is a bit cleaner :d |
| 11:44.30 | VIad | imo, not having to alter the index manually |
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| 11:45.47 | VIad | I often do "if t[1] then" to check if table is empty :( |
| 11:46.02 | VIad | when knowing it contains no booleans ofc, otherwise ~= nil is in order |
| 11:46.13 | VIad | dunno why I have a fear of # |
| 11:46.58 | Semlar | unless it makes a real difference in performance, i'm going to write it in the way that makes it more clear that the code is doing |
| 11:47.17 | VIad | makes sense |
| 11:47.29 | VIad | I mean I do that for any compiler related language |
| 11:47.36 | VIad | as it optimizes these things, if its a good compiler |
| 11:47.50 | VIad | wouldn't expect anything less of C compilers |
| 11:48.18 | VIad | just when it comes to wow, or I guess lua in general, tad more difficult to say what is optimized, I usually go by nothing at all |
| 11:48.47 | VIad | so always trying to find these tiny optimizing changes though in practice it makes no sense what so ever, more a personal thing |
| 11:48.52 | VIad | back to the local _G = _G :P |
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| 12:41.54 | Aftermathh | hey everyone |
| 12:42.06 | Aftermathh | can someone tell me why i'm getting thise error? |
| 12:42.25 | Aftermathh | ...face\AddOns\AftermathhUI\Modules\Tooltip\Tooltip.lua:203: attempt to concatenate a nil value |
| 12:44.07 | Aftermathh | http://hastebin.com/xivafozaba.lua |
| 12:44.50 | Shockah|Work | that would mean §_G["GameTooltipTextLeft1"]:GetText() is nil |
| 12:45.02 | Semlar | _G["GameTooltipTextLeft"..i]:SetText(nil) |
| 12:45.09 | Shockah|Work | uh, how did that § get there |
| 12:45.12 | Shockah|Work | goddamn Macs |
| 12:45.44 | Aftermathh | So i just remove it? |
| 12:46.07 | Semlar | i mean you're setting it to nil right before you're trying to concatenate its value, i don't know what you're trying to do |
| 12:46.27 | Semlar | i'm honestly surprised it accepts nil and doesn't convert it to a blank string |
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| 12:47.35 | Semlar | actually this isn't setting that line |
| 12:48.07 | VIad | Aftermathh: your problem is trying to concat two strings, but one of them isnt a string :P |
| 12:48.26 | Semlar | your indentation is all kinds of fucked up |
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| 12:48.46 | Semlar | it's making this a lot harder to read |
| 12:49.20 | Semlar | it looks like _G["GameTooltipTextLeft1"]:SetText(Name) is setting it to nil |
| 12:49.46 | Semlar | and then you're trying to concatenate the nil value to a string later |
| 12:50.03 | Aftermathh | Right |
| 12:50.10 | Aftermathh | Soo how do i fix it? :p |
| 12:50.24 | Semlar | bail out of the function if Name doesn't exist |
| 12:51.00 | VIad | make it so you don't run code that you know will fail under these criterias |
| 12:51.24 | Semlar | i'm guessing your GetRealUnit function isn't working correctly |
| 12:51.57 | Semlar | because it seems unlikely that OnTooltipSetUnit could fire without being able to get the name of the unit |
| 12:52.49 | Semlar | is this someone else's code |
| 12:53.30 | Aftermathh | Oh okay, well its based of a very very old version of nTooltip |
| 12:54.11 | Semlar | i mean OnTooltipSetUnit passes the unit ID to you so i'm not sure why this would be necessary |
| 12:55.08 | Semlar | maybe it's not always correct |
| 12:55.26 | Aftermathh | hmm okay |
| 12:56.22 | Aftermathh | Well seems to be right |
| 12:56.37 | Aftermathh | I think i see Tukui using OnTooltipSetUnit |
| 12:57.12 | Simca | all melee specs got -50% ranged attack speed in 7.1.5, i wonder why |
| 12:57.38 | Semlar | regardless, your function is failing because UnitName isn't giving you a name because you don't have a valid unit ID |
| 12:58.12 | Simca | is mayonnaise a unitID? |
| 12:58.27 | Semlar | you can bail out of the function by adding "if not Name then return end" but that won't necessarily solve whatever is wrong here |
| 12:59.17 | Simca | might as well check UnitExists at that point |
| 12:59.32 | Semlar | not really necessary since UnitName is basically doing that for you |
| 12:59.37 | Aftermathh | Oh right |
| 12:59.59 | Aftermathh | I'll try find some work around |
| 13:00.10 | Simca | Semlar: but why do once what you could do twice? |
| 13:00.15 | Semlar | good point |
| 13:00.35 | Semlar | going by the rest of this function i'm not sure efficiency is all that important |
| 13:02.28 | Semlar | seriously though, you have got to fix this indentation |
| 13:02.48 | Semlar | you're mixing tabs and spaces and it's a mess |
| 13:03.26 | Semlar | you also have "PetBattlePrimaryAbilityToolti" instead of "PetBattlePrimaryAbilityTooltip" |
| 13:05.06 | Semlar | foxlit: can you make a version of globe that you can just paste code into |
| 13:05.50 | VIad | foxlit: can you make a lua code optimizer that suggest performance and structure re-organization? |
| 13:06.16 | Semlar | never optimize anything |
| 13:07.16 | VIad | how about a code de-optimizer? |
| 13:07.19 | VIad | unoptimizer? |
| 13:07.45 | VIad | regarding poor optimization, I noticed questpointer dropping my FPS by insane amount :P |
| 13:08.02 | VIad | when tracking certain quests (maybe it was trying to math what quest is closer) I literally lost 60 fps |
| 13:08.10 | VIad | down to like noticable 40 |
| 13:08.18 | VIad | disabled it, >100 glory |
| 13:10.17 | Aftermathh | Thanks for the pointing that out! Maybe you can fix the tabs and spaces? :p i dont get it :D |
| 13:11.04 | Aftermathh | or what u mean with the tabs and spaces? |
| 13:11.21 | Shockah|Work | indents |
| 13:16.35 | Semlar | your code doesn't line up the way it's supposed to |
| 13:16.47 | Semlar | it makes it considerably harder to read |
| 13:17.56 | Aftermathh | What program do you use? |
| 13:18.03 | Aftermathh | To read it |
| 13:18.26 | Semlar | the paste that you linked |
| 13:19.53 | Aftermathh | well its getting messed up when i paste into the link i see now |
| 13:19.59 | Aftermathh | with tabs and spaces |
| 13:20.09 | Shockah|Work | no it's not getting messed up then, it's already messed up in your code |
| 13:22.38 | Aftermathh | http://imgur.com/a/BUN28 |
| 13:25.08 | mikma | ewww, tooltip madness :(( |
| 13:25.45 | Shockah|Work | the screenshot proves nothing because tab lengths differ between editors |
| 13:26.04 | Shockah|Work | the point is you're using BOTH tabs and spaces in the same file |
| 13:26.20 | Shockah|Work | which is a big no-no if you ever wanna share that code |
| 13:26.38 | Aftermathh | How do i optimise that then |
| 13:26.46 | Aftermathh | or fix it |
| 13:27.08 | Shockah|Work | use the replace tool |
| 13:27.14 | Shockah|Work | and either replace 4 spaces to \t |
| 13:27.16 | Shockah|Work | or vice versa |
| 13:27.20 | VIad | ctra+a, tab, shift-tab |
| 13:27.24 | VIad | easier? |
| 13:27.25 | Shockah|Work | or that, idk |
| 13:27.31 | Shockah|Work | i don't know Notepad++ keybinds |
| 13:27.55 | VIad | I use npp a lot, it's okay for lua and some other script stuff :p |
| 13:28.03 | Shockah|Work | yeah but i switched to Sublime |
| 13:28.10 | Shockah|Work | ...which doesn't mean i know how to do it otherwise in Sublime lol |
| 13:28.12 | Semlar | i honestly don't know how you even set notepad++ to automatically use spaces |
| 13:28.17 | Shockah|Work | i'd just use the replace tool |
| 13:28.26 | VIad | npp settings are totally not intuitive :p |
| 13:28.29 | Semlar | i don't know if he's adding spaces instead of just hitting tab or what |
| 13:28.34 | Shockah|Work | pretty sure he didn't Semlar |
| 13:28.39 | Shockah|Work | copy-pasta |
| 13:28.44 | VIad | he said its based on nTooltip |
| 13:28.53 | VIad | different editors |
| 13:28.55 | Semlar | most of the code is using tabs |
| 13:29.28 | VIad | Settings > Preferences > Tab Settings |
| 13:29.31 | VIad | in npp |
| 13:29.41 | VIad | tab size and to replace it to spaces checkbox |
| 13:29.56 | Semlar | as far as i know the editor uses tabs by default |
| 13:30.02 | Semlar | because spaces are insane |
| 13:32.05 | Aftermathh | I tick in replace by space? |
| 13:32.18 | Semlar | no |
| 13:32.20 | Shockah|Work | uhhhhhhhhh |
| 13:32.33 | Shockah|Work | just ignore everything after <VIad> ctra+a, tab, shift-tab |
| 13:33.55 | Aftermathh | Okay slightly confused right now |
| 13:34.27 | Semlar | do you understand the part where part of your code is indented using spaces and part of it is using tabs |
| 13:35.20 | Semlar | it only looks the same in your editor because your tab width is set to the same distance as 4 spaces |
| 13:35.21 | Aftermathh | No i dont get that |
| 13:35.41 | Semlar | it looks different in your paste because it's making tabs larger |
| 13:36.28 | Aftermathh | okay |
| 13:36.31 | Aftermathh | I never use tab |
| 13:36.39 | Shockah|Work | UHHHHHH |
| 13:37.20 | Semlar | right, so you're hitting space 4 times every time you indent a block or something? |
| 13:37.42 | Semlar | the rest of it uses tabs |
| 13:38.01 | Semlar | i wish the editor wouldn't even let you do this |
| 13:39.05 | Shockah|Work | you know what |
| 13:39.07 | Shockah|Work | screw it |
| 13:39.09 | Shockah|Work | here you go Aftermathh |
| 13:39.10 | Shockah|Work | http://hastebin.com/raw/idobumutax |
| 13:39.31 | VIad | ^ lol |
| 13:39.43 | Shockah|Work | #tabsmasterrace |
| 13:39.44 | Semlar | i mean if he's using spaces he needs to just replace all the tabs with 4 spaces |
| 13:39.55 | Shockah|Work | i think that was just broken english |
| 13:40.20 | Aftermathh | yeah i use space and enter |
| 13:40.28 | Shockah|Work | if it wasn't, i'll just do it for spaces instead |
| 13:40.37 | Shockah|Work | ...okay |
| 13:40.46 | Aftermathh | So i will use tab instead of space |
| 13:40.46 | Shockah|Work | wait, but most of the code is using tabs already |
| 13:41.00 | Shockah|Work | so... most of the code is copy-pasted? |
| 13:41.24 | Aftermathh | Uhm no? |
| 13:42.44 | VIad | when coding you often use the tab button to ident, or shift-tab to go back a level, just for readability sake |
| 13:42.56 | VIad | and you want to either have spaces or tabs only when identing :D |
| 13:43.25 | VIad | at least if you want others to read it, as it will affect the readability if you mix both ,_, |
| 13:43.52 | Semlar | notepad is going to automatically use a tab when you hit enter to indent that line |
| 13:44.19 | Semlar | even if the previous line was using spaces |
| 13:44.54 | VIad | it should respect the settings for tab though |
| 13:45.06 | VIad | and use what it uses when you press the tab button |
| 13:45.09 | Semlar | he doesn't have it set to use spaces |
| 13:45.20 | VIad | then it will insert \t characters yeah |
| 13:45.37 | VIad | lemme doublecheck |
| 13:45.59 | VIad | yeah works like expected |
| 13:46.24 | VIad | I still think my ctrl+a, tab, shift-tab fixes it :p |
| 13:46.32 | VIad | will force it to whatever settings he is using |
| 13:46.40 | VIad | and avoid mixing |
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| 13:47.20 | Semlar | i don't think so |
| 13:47.36 | Semlar | that would only affect one indent |
| 13:52.13 | VIad | if you select the entire code, and hit tab, it nudges all up one level ident wise |
| 13:52.27 | VIad | and shift-tab will pull all back down a level, making all the ident spacings the same characters |
| 13:52.33 | VIad | either spaces or tabs, based on settings |
| 13:52.46 | VIad | I use that when I get code that mix spaces and tabs to unitfy it :p |
| 13:53.04 | VIad | since that was the issue right? |
| 13:56.23 | VIad | oh this is so good https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5hwgv3/when_raid_leaders_invite_everyone_that_applies/ |
| 13:56.23 | Aftermathh | Vlad, that worked |
| 13:56.31 | Aftermathh | thanks |
| 13:56.35 | VIad | I know it works, but Semlar doubted me |
| 13:56.42 | VIad | I use npp myself |
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| 13:58.03 | Aftermathh | Now i gotta do that in every .lua file lol |
| 13:58.27 | Shockah|Work | tbh that sounds like a stupid implementation in N++ |
| 13:58.49 | Aftermathh | didn't know about this |
| 13:59.04 | Aftermathh | Will this make my code run faster too or something? |
| 13:59.13 | Shockah|Work | a sane editor would just drop the first indent on each line and nothing else |
| 13:59.17 | Shockah|Work | ...no |
| 14:00.01 | VIad | Shockah|Work: if you select a range of lines and hit tab, it nudges it inward on the identation |
| 14:00.08 | VIad | sounds logical to me |
| 14:00.23 | Shockah|Work | yes, so you hit Tab |
| 14:00.28 | Shockah|Work | if i were to write a text editor |
| 14:00.35 | Shockah|Work | i'd just insert a \t on each line |
| 14:00.42 | Semlar | the logical thing for it to do is indent what you had selected by one tab, not change how the rest of the whitespace is |
| 14:00.43 | Shockah|Work | (since that's the tab setting) |
| 14:00.46 | VIad | in npp case it also checks and reformats |
| 14:00.52 | Shockah|Work | when you Shift+Tab, if the first char is \t, drop it |
| 14:00.59 | Shockah|Work | that's how i'd do it |
| 14:01.07 | VIad | I think they just combined the reformat idents feature into it |
| 14:01.09 | VIad | fine by me imo |
| 14:01.46 | VIad | as long you know how your editor works |
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| 14:03.02 | Aftermathh | http://hastebin.com/ihozebuwam.sql |
| 14:03.15 | Aftermathh | this looks good rite |
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| 14:15.25 | znf | Is anyone a DBA/Wizard? |
| 14:15.44 | znf | is there an equivalent of psql's copy [...] to stdout in MySQL/MariaDB? |
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| 14:18.22 | znf | scratch that, apparently I can do --disable-column-names --batch |
| 14:18.40 | VIad | on cenarius I need 100k external HPS but I am struggling to find another log with other tanks that did it to compare |
| 14:18.46 | VIad | nevcairiel got a log for me to look at? |
| 14:18.53 | VIad | from your own raid |
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| 14:22.00 | znf | ...why the fuck am I even writing this migration script in bash instead of python |
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| 14:24.22 | VIad | write it in lua |
| 14:26.48 | znf | I've never done psql and/or mysql in lua |
| 14:36.32 | VIad | lua imo isn't really good for all around scripting |
| 14:36.38 | VIad | you need to get so many modules :p |
| 14:36.50 | VIad | might as well use like you said, python and import packages you need for your script |
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| 15:04.48 | mckenziemc | VIad isn't very good for all around commentary. |
| 15:05.02 | VIad | I'm sorry |
| 15:05.15 | mckenziemc | better than some options though! |
| 15:06.33 | VIad | I guess thats the best compliment I can expect in this channel |
| 15:17.26 | VIad | the legendary drop item should be replaced with a generic quest giving one, that you take to khadgar, he uses magic to try find out what this unknown magical item is, the player can now decide what item they want, and he finishes his spell revealing its some broken piece of legendary X, then he sends you to a fantasy suited NPC to help you rebuild it with some quests, dont need to be anything extravagant, and in the end you rebuilt the artifac |
| 15:18.34 | Shockah|Work | or you know |
| 15:18.42 | Shockah|Work | at least a "choose one between these 3" |
| 15:19.04 | Shockah|Work | would probably still piss some people off but eh |
| 15:19.48 | Shockah|Work | "Battlecry: Discover a beast mastery hunter legendary item." |
| 15:19.55 | VIad | :p |
| 15:20.20 | VIad | nah but problem atm is the randomness and the fact you are getting outperformed if you are unlucky but your other guildies got their BIS legendaries |
| 15:20.41 | VIad | its problematic when you try to push progress, as you tend to pick the players but also consider their DPS/HPS in the mix |
| 15:20.47 | VIad | "bring X he does amazing ST dps" |
| 15:21.15 | Shockah|Work | i feel like dps and utility legendaries should be separate things |
| 15:21.31 | VIad | if the system is as it is right now, should just change all legendaries to utilities |
| 15:21.36 | Shockah|Work | or that |
| 15:21.54 | Shockah|Work | but some of these effects are really cool |
| 15:21.54 | VIad | otherwise it would be best with a system that lets you pick so there is no drama |
| 15:22.12 | Shockah|Work | they would work pretty good as talents i guess? but then you gotta remove some other stuff |
| 15:22.13 | VIad | only factor would be if you get the drop or not, not what you got |
| 15:22.50 | VIad | most scary atm is swapping spec to help guildie with boss drop to trade |
| 15:22.56 | VIad | and fear to get a legendary :p |
| 15:23.34 | VIad | in kara we try help out fish out the better drops when we do bosses that dont give us shit, we swap to our other spec and such |
| 15:29.40 | VIad | unsure about itemization strat on blizz side, looking at heroic TOV,like I got better gear from m+ dungeons, yet last boss in TOV is twice as hard as any m+ I've done so far >_> |
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| 16:36.23 | VIad | ugh. recorded 2h20m raid fotage, 15gb file |
| 16:36.34 | VIad | I open it and click 1 hour, MPC frezes ,_, |
| 16:36.44 | VIad | I just want timecodes to extract the part I want to upload :P |
| 16:38.19 | mckenziemc | i'm sure there are UNIX utilities for that |
| 16:39.02 | mckenziemc | oh footage |
| 16:40.07 | VIad | its video file yes |
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| 16:46.27 | mckenziemc | ffmpeg? |
| 16:47.32 | nevcairiel | sounds like your recorder didnt add a proper seeking index |
| 16:47.58 | nevcairiel | manually scrubbing through 15gb f ile looking for the 1 hour mark is just slow, mpc would probably resurrect eventually |
| 16:53.36 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy and hugs Cairenn |
| 16:54.02 | Lopeppeppy | Please, anything that will warm me up! WTB workplace with working heat. |
| 16:55.34 | mckenziemc | are you saying Fisker's hot? |
| 16:57.22 | znf | rebuild the index? |
| 17:00.43 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, hotsy totsy. |
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| 17:15.36 | Gnarfoz | unless it's outside, I don't think the law would consider that a workplace here :D |
| 17:16.30 | nevcairiel | I wonder how the law is exactly on that, if heating breaks, can i just go home? |
| 17:16.31 | nevcairiel | :D |
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| 17:19.06 | Gnarfoz | on the other end of the range, it just says that offices exceeding 35 °C room temperature are not actually recognized as workplaces |
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| 18:01.15 | Gnarfoz | VIad: how to use guid for barrels o' fun, plx? |
| 18:01.38 | VIad | spawn id bit at the end |
| 18:01.47 | VIad | is unique per barrel |
| 18:02.04 | Gnarfoz | I see |
| 18:19.22 | znf | I need to bounce ideas in here |
| 18:20.39 | znf | I have a cluster of 3 dns servers, all running PowerDNS |
| 18:21.04 | znf | they're all using postgresql as their backend, replicated from a 4th "master" server |
| 18:21.22 | znf | so, ns-master, ns1, ns2, ns3 |
| 18:22.15 | znf | ns-master is not serving dns request on its public interface, it's beyond it's scope (it's just there to serve as an API endpoint for the web interface) |
| 18:22.23 | znf | anyway, ns1 works fine so far |
| 18:22.40 | znf | ns2 and ns3 randomly stop answering queries for a specific domain |
| 18:23.19 | znf | instead of returning the A record, it just returns the SOA when queried with bind |
| 18:23.31 | znf | case in point: http://i.imgur.com/Z0ZJtyP.png |
| 18:24.12 | znf | logs show no errors |
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| 18:24.25 | znf | the database is fine |
| 18:24.38 | znf | what could possibly be wrong? |
| 18:30.08 | znf | I can't even use an external tool like https://intodns.com/conectoo.ro - it somehow crashes for this domain |
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| 22:39.50 | foxlit | the rocfeather kite breaks when jumping off dalaran :( |
| 22:41.03 | Stanzilla | wanna know why? |
| 22:41.15 | Stanzilla | because the zone you are going through is not part of the broken isles :D |
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| 22:45.51 | foxlit | but why is the zone I'm going through not part of the broken isles? |
| 22:48.31 | nevcairiel | because its the great sea, which for some reason doesnt allow items that are flagged for broken isles |
| 22:49.04 | nevcairiel | even though its on the same continent |
| 22:49.13 | nevcairiel | that part of the sea, anyway |
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| 23:17.55 | Simca | the great sea is not considered broken isles and is fully CRZ'd |
| 23:18.12 | Simca | which leads to some hi-larious moments when the CRZ server is offline but your server is up |
| 23:18.20 | Simca | and you fly between a zone and dalaran |
| 23:18.29 | Simca | and get stuck offline until the CRZ servers come back |
| 23:20.31 | Simca | i can't imagine why it's like that |
| 23:26.42 | nevcairiel | the entire continent is mostly CRZed entirely now |
| 23:27.17 | Simca | sometimes |
| 23:27.38 | nevcairiel | same sometimes as the great sea =p take enough local players there and it stops doing it |
| 23:27.51 | nevcairiel | but people just dont go there |
| 23:28.02 | Simca | in practice, it's pretty rare to see it on the main zones |
| 23:28.21 | Simca | and it is almost impossible to not see it in the great sea |
| 23:28.35 | nevcairiel | i see plenty other realmers around, luckily on a RP realm the pool of people it draws from is pretty contained |
| 23:28.39 | Simca | but you're right it's probably the same tech |
| 23:29.10 | Simca | for some reason the only time i ever see it is tuesday nights |
| 23:29.21 | Simca | which is by far the highest pop time on my realm in the first place |
| 23:29.33 | Simca | so it seems broken, or very slow to respond to change |
| 23:29.39 | nevcairiel | some areas seem to collect more people then others, but maybe its a perception thing as some areas have their POIs more condenses then others |
| 23:29.53 | nevcairiel | *condensed |
| 23:29.58 | relaxok | my head kind of hurts thinking about doing CRZ on the back end |
| 23:30.31 | Simca | one of the blues suggested that maybe stuff gets CRZ'd when the servers come back up because pop is 0 for a little while |
| 23:30.42 | Simca | and then it is slow to separate |
| 23:30.57 | nevcairiel | that seems logical |
| 23:31.07 | nevcairiel | and they dont want to rezone people too drastically so it responds slowly |
| 23:31.21 | relaxok | i wonder if in 8.x the whole world is going to level to your level so you can do zones in any order |
| 23:31.52 | nevcairiel | i feel like it would be good to do that to some degree, but still snap on certain breakpoints |
| 23:32.05 | nevcairiel | like keep expansions contained |
| 23:32.10 | relaxok | yeah i assume it would be that |
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| 23:32.14 | nevcairiel | and maybe a few more breakpoints in vanilla areas |
| 23:32.27 | nevcairiel | like group them by 20 levels or so |
| 23:32.40 | nevcairiel | makes no sense lore-wise to go to burning steppes on your low level |
| 23:32.47 | nevcairiel | its mean to be a dangerous high level place |
| 23:33.32 | nevcairiel | but within those 20 level groups you have more choices |
| 23:35.50 | nevcairiel | similarly, icecrown is designed as a (close to) max level questing zone as a finale to the story |
| 23:36.02 | nevcairiel | it would make sense to preserve those |
| 23:37.19 | relaxok | leveling with full heirlooms gets weird.. you keep getting overleveled fast and i usually abandon a bunch of stuff and keep trying to get the zone starter quest from the EJ |
| 23:38.12 | relaxok | and thats probably the case even without +exp |
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