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| 01:39.09 | mckenziemc | ~botsnack |
| 01:39.09 | purl | aw, gee, mckenziemc |
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| 01:43.37 | mckenziemc | nevermind that |
| 01:45.35 | Thunder_Child | Uh huh. |
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| 01:56.21 | Mr_Rabies | is there an "item level on icon" addon out there that works with adibags that has configurable colors? i miss sylevel :< |
| 01:56.38 | Mr_Rabies | it works okayish, but it's in need of some love |
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| 03:33.01 | fewyn | everyone ready for turkey day |
| 03:33.27 | fewyn | minus you canadian heathens who had it like a 2 months ago |
| 03:34.39 | bshelden | ^.^ |
| 03:34.46 | bshelden | We like it before we get snowed in |
| 03:36.00 | Thunder_Child | Pfft, snow covered turkey is better. |
| 03:40.41 | bshelden | We have that. Christmas |
| 03:42.03 | Thunder_Child | Isn't that supposed to be snow covered ham? |
| 03:42.55 | bshelden | Both. |
| 03:43.04 | Mr_Rabies | ＥＮＪＯＹ ＴＨＥ ＴＵＲＫＥＹ https://i.imgur.com/zG8AEWT.jpg |
| 03:43.05 | bshelden | I find both events are interchangable. |
| 03:43.32 | Thunder_Child | I would imagine you don't generally get gifts on thanksgiving. |
| 03:43.52 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies: That's both sad and sad. |
| 03:45.12 | bshelden | I'm not really into the gift exchange bit |
| 03:45.18 | mckenziemc | where's the corn syrup |
| 03:53.48 | Ressy | Nothing wrong with turkey day being earlier. |
| 03:57.42 | fewyn | except i like putting up my xmas stuff after thanksgiving |
| 03:58.04 | mckenziemc | too early either way |
| 03:58.13 | Mr_Rabies | if you even feel like moving after thanksgiving you're not doing murica proud, fewyn |
| 03:58.20 | Mr_Rabies | you need to be so done that even your joints hurt |
| 03:58.31 | kd3 | the rule for my family was dad's birthday was the day we could set up xmas stuff, dec 2 |
| 03:58.32 | fewyn | i'm doing only a 14lb turkey tomorrow |
| 03:58.43 | fewyn | my birthday is the 5th |
| 03:58.48 | Mr_Rabies | you have been rused - that's a large chicken |
| 03:58.54 | Mr_Rabies | maybe a weird pheasant |
| 03:59.05 | mckenziemc | somehow i don't think indulgence was the idea behind autumnal feasts |
| 03:59.30 | Thunder_Child | A feast is an indulgence. |
| 03:59.48 | fewyn | i'm going to turn my leftover this year into pastry pockets |
| 04:01.00 | mckenziemc | no it isn't |
| 04:01.03 | mckenziemc | different motivation |
| 04:01.56 | Thunder_Child | Just because it is ceremonial does not mean it isn't an indulgance. |
| 04:02.02 | mckenziemc | making the most of the resources you can't save through the winter in preparation for said rough winter is not the same is eating as much as you can because of a meme and because you can |
| 04:02.31 | Thunder_Child | indulgence* |
| 04:06.48 | mckenziemc | if you're not going to starve and you don't have to worry about goods expiring, you've found the line between tradition and extravagance |
| 04:10.19 | Thunder_Child | That doesn't track. Winter (in snowy regions) was the perfect way to store foods since you could use the snow as an ersatz refrigerator. |
| 04:10.19 | Mr_Rabies | it's not authentic until you have so much food you consider salt-packing pumpkin pie in an oak barrel |
| 04:10.42 | Thunder_Child | At least that's what was done in the old country as per my grandmother. |
| 04:11.21 | mckenziemc | you have less choice of what you can do with the food though |
| 04:12.14 | mckenziemc | and limited ability to replenish if needed |
| 04:25.25 | znf | 3 hours later, I still haven't been able to compile libguestfs-tools from source |
| 04:25.36 | znf | today is clearly not my good day |
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| 07:56.46 | Fisker | tacklehugs Cairenn |
| 07:56.56 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 08:17.18 | nebula | do you need to unlock the first color of an appearance to unlock the appearance itself? eg, don't have balance of power, but have unleashed monstrosities, but can't use it |
| 08:23.23 | Shockah|Work | yes you do |
| 08:23.33 | Shockah|Work | a friend of mine was pissed |
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| 09:38.53 | VIad | I still havent gotten my drop for my appearance, from my daily boss in my class hall :) that should make you feel better |
| 09:39.17 | VIad | wish I had a kill counter to show, been killing it each day more or less since I hit 110 :p |
| 09:39.51 | VIad | once I unlock it I have to do 100 dungeons, 1000 pvp kills, 300 WQ, mind you I've done like ten times that so far but it wont count :p |
| 09:39.57 | VIad | think I am around 2k WQ soon |
| 09:40.44 | VIad | I love these 1% artifact drops |
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| 09:41.16 | VIad | I like how bosses will be 100% but no fucks given for the daily class hall boss thing, that is still kept at 1% |
| 09:41.35 | VIad | I'd rather kill every world boss once for mine, than have a daily farm boss with 1% |
| 09:42.05 | VIad | legion is the drop chance denial expansion |
| 09:42.41 | VIad | "legendaries are fine, drops are not a problem, just play and you'll get one" then you look realistically and see once you get the 4th you reroll character to get more legendaries because of the 4 legendary softcap :p |
| 09:43.38 | VIad | thats what the top end guilds are saying, since for them the legendaries matter, its good to have the better once, but you cant just keep playing, as once you get like 4 there is some soft cap making the 5th take like months to drop |
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| 10:08.58 | VIad | on a side note, no one believes the computer guy when I say there is no good way to figure out what company a user is from based on their IP >_> |
| 10:09.20 | VIad | "lets try this free trial thing even if you say its unreliable" |
| 10:09.56 | VIad | I just hooked it up to show them, it said we were the ISP that owns the IP range :p |
| 10:10.25 | VIad | the office consists of several companies on each floor, we share like a couple of public facing IPs |
| 10:10.46 | VIad | IP thing only works if we like buy IP range or someshit :p |
| 10:15.48 | nevcairiel | in the muricas its much easier to identify things by IP |
| 10:16.01 | nevcairiel | but those muricans dont realize the rest of the woirld is different |
| 10:17.33 | VIad | a lot more gateways in norway, companies tend to have ISPs that have multiple customers on shared IPs when it is companies |
| 10:17.55 | VIad | since no one in the office needs to host a server, its fine :p |
| 10:18.04 | VIad | 99.9% clients only |
| 10:18.56 | VIad | but yes, IP identification falls shortly, its like a gut feeling type metric |
| 10:19.09 | VIad | if management want to identify the visitors, IP is not reliable at all |
| 10:19.43 | VIad | sadly its hard to explain to a non-technical person why its a bad idea, they want to see it fail personally :p |
| 10:20.57 | VIad | the world map widget they put on the dashboard centers to the US :p |
| 10:21.13 | VIad | even if I am testing it and the traffic is from norway and the map pin too ;p |
| 10:27.48 | VIad | pokemon sun and moon is out since yesterday btw, too bad it was on reset day :p |
| 10:28.03 | VIad | only got to boot it up for like 15 min |
| 10:37.23 | VIad | fun to watch https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5elprw/surrender_to_madness_ridiculousness/ |
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| 11:39.53 | Phixion | lol nice |
| 12:00.10 | VIad | it says I have 100/100 but when I test it I get 40/40 :p I wont complain, paying like -400 compared to earlier, and old one was like 100/10 :p |
| 12:00.20 | VIad | I prefer more upload as I host my teamspeak and some other servers |
| 12:09.42 | VIad | one nice star wars feature: double tap ability to cast it on mouseover. like if you select a spell that needs to target the ground, double tapping would cast it on your mouse :p |
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| 12:26.29 | nevcairiel | you could probably do that in wow |
| 12:29.41 | VIad | nevcairiel: can the key button up act as a mouseclick to click the ground? |
| 12:29.48 | VIad | maybe with the new @cursor? |
| 12:30.03 | nevcairiel | yes with that |
| 12:30.35 | VIad | tbh wow is horrible at clicking the floor sometimes. sometimes if my camera is near a wall I start to try use stuff on the wall >_> |
| 12:30.57 | VIad | and sometimes it does, like targeted damage, suddenly I see it explode on the wall instead on the aoe stack :p |
| 13:15.30 | Constie | I like the Guild Wars 2 version where holding the button shows the targeting circle and releasing casts the spell. |
| 13:15.33 | Constie | If I remember right. |
| 13:17.37 | foxlit | gw2 has multiple cursor-casting options. |
| 13:19.05 | foxlit | (one of them is as you describe, another is just straight-up permanent [@cursor] ) |
| 13:19.44 | Semlar | they may as well have let us use normal @targeting macro conditions with area spells |
| 13:21.24 | foxlit | moving the mouse is clearly too much to ask. |
| 13:22.50 | Semlar | @player and @cursor are great, but i don't see why you can't use @target or the rest of them |
| 13:23.18 | foxlit | personally, I don't see why I can't write a bot to play for me. |
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| 13:27.47 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.28 | Semlar | for whatever reason "follow" isn't even protected so you could write an addon that just follows anyone who gets in range |
| 13:34.27 | VIad | in swtor you target a npc, double tap your aoe, the aoe "clicks" the feet of the npc :) |
| 13:34.37 | VIad | its nice if you just wanna do the aoe there quickly |
| 13:37.33 | nevcairiel | you can cast ground-targeted aoe at target players/npcs as well these days, cant you |
| 13:37.38 | nevcairiel | using some of those macro modifiers |
| 13:38.19 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure the only ones that work are @player and @cursor |
| 13:39.55 | Semlar | i guess they want some decision making to be done by you, but if you can use them with other spells i'm not sure why you can't use them with ground-targeted spells |
| 13:40.31 | foxlit | did water collison break recently? I seem to be completely unable to get a strider to water-walk by jumping while swimming. |
| 13:40.41 | Semlar | while mounted? |
| 13:41.00 | Semlar | i can never get back out of the water if i'm swimming while mounted |
| 13:41.03 | VIad | foxlit: if you get attacked while on the strider it breaks the waterwalking |
| 13:41.19 | VIad | also make sure you hold right mouse and turn camera to face up, not down into the water :p |
| 13:43.30 | foxlit | Semlar: yes, on the water strider mount. |
| 13:43.38 | Constie | There was this thread that I'm still too lazy to read: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2110112-GW2-Style-Ground-Targeted-Casting |
| 13:43.43 | foxlit | viad: it's a new strider, and camera does nothing. |
| 13:44.32 | Semlar | i don't actually have the water striders so my experience is only with regular water walking |
| 13:45.27 | Semlar | it seems to be virtually impossible to jump out of the water with certain mounts |
| 13:46.36 | nevcairiel | foxlit: a guildy also had that problem, but i could never reproduce, i could jump out of the water just fine, usually in the first or at worst second jump |
| 13:46.48 | Semlar | wow i thought this post was from 2010 because of the way they have their date written |
| 13:46.50 | nevcairiel | i even did it right next to him |
| 13:47.49 | foxlit | it's funny because the one of the engineering talks discussed this and I was thinking like "huh, while water is crap in general, the mounts never registered as being too much of a problem" |
| 13:48.11 | foxlit | I get weirdness like acquatic form cancelling while swimming at the surface. |
| 13:48.25 | foxlit | s/c// |
| 13:48.50 | Semlar | hey someone bumped the horrible hack that i wrote in 2014 to do this 2 posts down |
| 13:49.21 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.12 | nevcairiel | putting it where the mouse cursor is is easy now |
| 13:50.19 | nevcairiel | but on npcs apparently doesnt work |
| 13:50.37 | nevcairiel | (or players other then yourself, for that matter) |
| 13:54.21 | Semlar | i should probably fix my map coordinate addon to stop throwing errors when i'm in an instance |
| 13:54.48 | Semlar | but i have bugsack installed so i never see them so it's hardly an issue |
| 13:55.46 | nevcairiel | did you turn of the fatality sound |
| 13:55.53 | Semlar | yeah |
| 13:56.15 | Semlar | so mostly i just get "there are too many errors in your ui" every time i open my map in an instance |
| 13:57.06 | Constie | Doing quests on my 873 character feels pretty different from doing them on my 820-something character. Weird. |
| 13:57.19 | nevcairiel | how odd Constie, who would've thought |
| 13:57.53 | Semlar | it's impossible to get someone's spec without inspecting them right |
| 13:58.13 | nevcairiel | you can apply a heuristic on some classes |
| 13:58.15 | Semlar | or i guess guessing based on what you see them cast |
| 13:58.25 | Shockah|Work | or their buffs i guess |
| 13:58.31 | nevcairiel | a priest with insanity is a shadow priest |
| 13:58.36 | nevcairiel | a shaman with mana is resto |
| 13:58.37 | nevcairiel | etc |
| 13:58.37 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 13:58.48 | Shockah|Work | "a shaman with mana is resto" - uh not really |
| 13:58.52 | Semlar | that might work well enough |
| 13:58.53 | Shockah|Work | all of them have mana, don't tehy |
| 13:58.56 | Shockah|Work | *they |
| 13:59.01 | nevcairiel | well the primary power type is what counts |
| 13:59.07 | nevcairiel | just because they have some secondary mana bar somewhere |
| 13:59.34 | Constie | Yeah, Shadow has insanity as primary power and then also mana. |
| 14:00.05 | Semlar | i wanted to make an addon to track the cooldown of everyone's interrupts in the group, but some interrupts are only available to certain specs |
| 14:00.25 | Semlar | and i want to show the icon for every available interrupt at all times |
| 14:01.09 | Semlar | do warlocks not have an interrupt? |
| 14:01.33 | nevcairiel | not baseline, onyl with some pet |
| 14:01.37 | Constie | With the Felhunters, I think, maybe? |
| 14:02.19 | Constie | But no one plays that class anyway. |
| 14:02.40 | nevcairiel | generally you could consider every dps spec to have an interrupt .. but then there is warlocks with their exception =p |
| 14:02.59 | Semlar | i don't think i've ever seen a warlock interrupt anything so i'm going to put that as fairly low priority |
| 14:03.42 | foxlit | not in pve, anyway, unless you're desperate for an interrupt. |
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| 14:04.13 | Semlar | unless you count fear |
| 14:04.33 | foxlit | most things worth interrupting are immune to cc. |
| 14:05.07 | Semlar | nah there's a lot of stuff in instances you could interrupt with cc but you rarely see that |
| 14:05.38 | nevcairiel | yeah m+ redefines a lot of this stuff |
| 14:05.46 | Semlar | when i played a warlock i used to just chain cast fear while people were attacking something |
| 14:05.53 | Constie | Just track all abilities everyone uses, and if an ability's description includes "interrupts" then add it to a list of interrupts, and so then you'll have everything automatically as soon as people use their interrupts once. |
| 14:05.55 | Semlar | because it has no DR |
| 14:06.00 | nevcairiel | i often interrupt with stuns or disorietns |
| 14:06.20 | nevcairiel | it doesnt have the lockout effect of course |
| 14:06.23 | nevcairiel | but still one cast less |
| 14:06.48 | Semlar | there's an event for interrupts constie, i just want to see the list of available spells without them having to cast first |
| 14:07.08 | Semlar | well, there's sort of an event for interrupts, only some things fire it |
| 14:09.24 | Semlar | i actually have an addon that i wrote back in wrath or something that outputs when anyone interrupts a spell with anything, stuns, cc, etc. |
| 14:09.36 | Semlar | but i haven't updated it with every new spell they added in legion |
| 14:10.10 | Semlar | i originally wrote it because i was playing a prot warrior and wanted to see just how much i was interrupting in instances with shockwave and stuff |
| 14:12.34 | Semlar | but i like to see when other people interrupt things in my group with other abilities |
| 14:14.40 | VIad | sorry foxlit, I just experience problems being unable to walk on water when I make the camera look down (to dive) and forget to correct it, or if I get in combat and take damage, you have to dismount and mount again to gain the hidden water walk effect >_> |
| 14:16.00 | VIad | Semlar: depends how flexible you want your addon. considering you can interrupt with movement as well. grip, knockback, silence, disorients |
| 14:16.32 | VIad | if you only care about the "interrupt that one target" type spells that always work on any type of npc that has an interruptable spell, then its a bit easier :d |
| 14:17.09 | VIad | but I agree, I should also get a interrupt addon so I can see who has interrupt ready |
| 14:17.21 | VIad | very good for mythic+, but I'd also like to know about the stuns, aoestuns, and so on |
| 14:17.35 | VIad | also important since its usable for interrupts as well on some mobs, even just group control when aoe |
| 14:17.49 | Semlar | mainly i don't feel like going through every class's abilities and making that list again |
| 14:17.56 | VIad | yeah its horrible |
| 14:18.37 | VIad | wish you coud IsSpellKnown(1234,"target") :p |
| 14:19.04 | VIad | you could also do something like a dynamic addon |
| 14:19.22 | VIad | like in that instance, when someone uses a interrupt, stun, fear, and so on, log them and add them to the list of abilities |
| 14:19.28 | VIad | on-the-fly kind of thing |
| 14:19.49 | VIad | so it shows the cd on that interrupt for the player once they actually use it |
| 14:20.10 | Semlar | wowhead is being particularly unhelpful http://www.wowhead.com/abilities/name-extended:interrupt |
| 14:20.57 | VIad | :d |
| 14:21.12 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/specialization-abilities/name-extended:interrupt oh some of these are under another category |
| 14:22.04 | VIad | the spell has a category flag "interrupt cast" |
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| 14:23.01 | VIad | back in the day I remember I could use the db.mmo-champion.com to filter on these flags |
| 14:23.04 | VIad | something wowhead didnt have |
| 14:23.07 | VIad | but its now gone I see :p |
| 14:23.19 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.32 | Semlar | this unfortunately doesn't work very well because some spells don't actually directly interrupt from their "effect", so you need to search for the word "silence" or "interrupt" to get things like solar beam |
| 14:24.36 | VIad | http://www.wowhead.com/spells?filter=109;68;0 315 spells :d |
| 14:25.58 | Semlar | i only want actual spells castable by players |
| 14:27.01 | VIad | ye |
| 14:27.23 | VIad | solar beam is probably a spell that spawns a bunny that applies the silence aura :p |
| 14:27.28 | VIad | indirectly |
| 14:27.36 | Semlar | i don't trust wowhead for any of this anyway |
| 14:28.37 | Semlar | and wowdb isn't capable of searching tooltips |
| 14:28.59 | VIad | own db2 parser? :'( |
| 14:29.31 | Semlar | there's no easy way to get a list of what spells are castable by players |
| 14:29.43 | Constie | https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/253991-total-silence presumably has a list of abilities, if you trust that to be complete. |
| 14:30.00 | Semlar | it's not complete |
| 14:30.28 | VIad | isnt there a flag added on spells that are like player spells? |
| 14:30.45 | VIad | the same way wowhead can put stuff in "this is a mage spell" |
| 14:30.52 | VIad | or is it all manual? :p |
| 14:31.34 | VIad | knowing that set of class spell IDs, could do the next step, crawl all the interrupt/counter type spells by tip and title, then compare |
| 14:33.05 | Semlar | wait garrote only silences for assassination rogues now? |
| 14:33.24 | Semlar | and only from stealth |
| 14:33.32 | Semlar | which implies they can cast it out of stealth |
| 14:33.46 | Constie | Yeah, they can. |
| 14:33.48 | Semlar | i'm just not going to count this as an interrupt |
| 14:34.13 | Semlar | since it's only good as an opener |
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| 14:38.10 | Constie | Well, there's Vanish. |
| 14:39.26 | Semlar | i'm not expecting a rogue to blow vanish to interrupt something, i just want a list of what interrupts are currently on cooldown for the group and who's likely going to try and interrupt something next |
| 14:40.22 | Semlar | so if i see two people put their interrupts on cooldown on the same spell i know i'm going to have to grab the next one |
| 14:43.53 | karl_w_w | http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2004-03-11-million-dollar_x.htm |
| 14:45.29 | Constie | Old. |
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| 15:44.01 | fewyn | has something weird happened to the curse app? i just noticed it doesn't have all my addons tha ti have installed listed in it anymore |
| 16:13.08 | fewyn | so weak auras and bartender weren't in my curse app installed addon list anymore ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 16:13.44 | znf | they broke it |
| 16:14.02 | fewyn | i had to go through my addon folder to find out what was missing |
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| 16:31.16 | znf | I wanted to go "social" in a guild that I have some friends left |
| 16:31.20 | znf | I'm like, ok, invite me |
| 16:31.34 | znf | they're like, "oh, wait, you have to apply as 'social'/'friend'" |
| 16:31.36 | znf | the fuck? |
| 16:34.42 | mckenziemc | don't be so anti-social, znf |
| 16:35.30 | znf | I'm not filling recruitment forms unless I plan to raid :P |
| 16:36.33 | nebula | znf, forever alone |
| 16:39.33 | znf | maybe I'm old-school, but I find it ridiculous :P |
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| 17:05.31 | nevcairiel | Depends on the form. Just do it :p |
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| 17:11.05 | Constie | Maybe they don't usually make people apply for that and they're trying to discourage you from joining. |
| 17:16.44 | znf | maybe :) |
| 17:18.32 | VIad | usatoday site karl_w_w linked looks like from the 1990s :p |
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| 18:05.17 | Guest32891 | quick question: is it tricky to figure out if an item has been learned? ( appearances ) |
| 18:05.22 | Guest32891 | oh crap |
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| 18:14.17 | nebula | Tomaz^: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53787 |
| 18:15.04 | Tomaz^ | Cool, Thanks! Just found out I could possibly use CanIMogIt as a dependency |
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| 19:45.52 | mckenziemc | don't drop it onto the floor |
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| 21:41.42 | znf | I just realized that YouTube Center hasnt' had a commit in 8 months |
| 21:41.46 | znf | now I'm afraid it will break :( |
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| 22:12.24 | Mr_Rabies | argh i hate legion trinkets so far |
| 22:12.32 | Mr_Rabies | it's so hard to tell what's good and what isn't |
| 22:13.06 | bshelden | Heh, that's what I love about it. Gives some gameplay back in deciding what to wear. |
| 22:13.38 | nevcairiel | Gameplay as in find someone that did the math and use their recommendation? |
| 22:13.56 | Mr_Rabies | the problem is depriving someone else of a potentially awesome trinket, bshelden |
| 22:14.14 | bshelden | Non-concern to me. We just went personal. Screw loot drama. |
| 22:14.23 | Mr_Rabies | because unless you're relying on someone else's list, you can't tell without trying a few different trinkets across a few different raid nights |
| 22:14.34 | Mr_Rabies | but you can trade personal gear |
| 22:14.41 | bshelden | Yeah, wish that didn't happen. |
| 22:15.21 | bshelden | Though if they make good on the promise to make ilvl king again, that'll be less of a concern. If I can trade it, you can have it. |
| 22:15.22 | nevcairiel | Even testing is rather hard, too much variations to really notice anything but big differences |
| 22:16.03 | nevcairiel | ilvl has often not really been that much of a factor on trinkets, a crap effect for your class will not suddenly be super strong |
| 22:16.41 | xyphoid | trinkets as the primary gear you gotta think about is actually a really nice compromise for me |
| 22:16.45 | nevcairiel | Or aoe vs st trinkets |
| 22:17.03 | xyphoid | i missed deciding what gear to wear but i can see the argument that juggling full gearsets is really annoying |
| 22:17.09 | nevcairiel | Although no real aoe fights this tier so far |
| 22:19.09 | znf | <nevcairiel> Gameplay as in find someone that did the math and use their recommendation? |
| 22:19.10 | znf | ^ that |
| 22:19.44 | bshelden | If that's done, then the original complaint is moot. Just check the guide. |
| 22:20.11 | Mr_Rabies | as a feral druid there definitely are a few fights that just destroy me because of aoe, nevcairiel |
| 22:20.26 | znf | like? |
| 22:20.31 | Mr_Rabies | ilgynoth, spider, xavius |
| 22:20.39 | znf | spider is aoe...?! |
| 22:20.52 | znf | just rake everything @ ilgynoth |
| 22:20.54 | nevcairiel | All of those only have very short aoe bursts, that's not an aoe fight |
| 22:20.57 | Mr_Rabies | it's aoe enough |
| 22:21.08 | Mr_Rabies | raking kinda sucks now |
| 22:21.20 | znf | rip it, then! |
| 22:21.20 | znf | :D |
| 22:21.22 | Mr_Rabies | lets just say this, i do like 100k more dps on fights other than those 3 |
| 22:21.29 | nevcairiel | And multidotting as feral does make for quite decent aoe dps |
| 22:21.40 | znf | you have more than enough time to rake them |
| 22:21.46 | Mr_Rabies | if they'd up the proc chance on shadow thrash it'd be okay |
| 22:21.57 | Mr_Rabies | more than enough time, yeah, but not really enough energy |
| 22:22.00 | nevcairiel | Of course that doesn't work on very short lived adds like on those fights |
| 22:22.08 | znf | I'm jelly about your spanshot |
| 22:22.15 | Mr_Rabies | feral's so designed around tunneling now that it's retarded |
| 22:22.33 | znf | snapshot* of dotrs |
| 22:22.35 | Mr_Rabies | two bosses in close proximity is managable, but that's about it |
| 22:22.43 | Mr_Rabies | i wish they'd remove snapshotting for feral, tbh |
| 22:22.46 | Mr_Rabies | i hate it so much |
| 22:22.52 | Mr_Rabies | it's so much damned work maintaining the snapshot |
| 22:23.57 | Mr_Rabies | you have to have tiger's fury, savage roar, and bloodtalons up otherwise rip hits like a damp pillow |
| 22:24.05 | Mr_Rabies | if you're missing even one of those it sucks |
| 22:24.16 | Mr_Rabies | and you have to reapply dots basically as soon as you're done applying them the first time |
| 22:24.48 | Mr_Rabies | they should get rid of savage roar and bloodtalons entirely, they're awful maintenance spells |
| 22:25.50 | xyphoid | has someone worked out a scale of rotation complexities across specs |
| 22:26.08 | xyphoid | i came back to legion after skipping WoD and tried to play feral and just was boggled |
| 22:26.21 | Mr_Rabies | feral is pretty unfun to play right now |
| 22:26.38 | Mr_Rabies | it's basically just a bullet train to carpal tunnel syndrome right now |
| 22:26.43 | xyphoid | yeeaaah that |
| 22:26.48 | znf | I like the feral rotation |
| 22:26.54 | znf | it's fucking awesome |
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| 22:27.00 | znf | and snapshotting kicks ass |
| 22:27.04 | znf | I miss snapshotting :( |
| 22:27.07 | Mr_Rabies | i like a complex rotation, but feral's a nightmare right now |
| 22:27.09 | nevcairiel | Shadow priest is probably among the most complex if you play it to its full potential, which is why it's getting reworked |
| 22:27.23 | Mr_Rabies | removing any of the maintenance spells would be a huge boon |
| 22:27.46 | Mr_Rabies | demonology needs some work too |
| 22:27.52 | xyphoid | it was hilarious playing around with my bm hunter after feral |
| 22:27.53 | nevcairiel | No buff tracking makes it basically brainless :p |
| 22:27.55 | Mr_Rabies | so far it seems the best route is to just never use the dogs |
| 22:28.08 | Mr_Rabies | use implosion and never bother with dogs |
| 22:28.24 | Mr_Rabies | it's like a 1000 dps loss to not use the dogs versus using them perfectly every time |
| 22:28.33 | Mr_Rabies | aka it's a dps gain for most people to just not use dogs |
| 22:29.29 | Mr_Rabies | so one of the fancy new spells they added for legion is basically useless, and another one is a really awful maintenance spell with a cast time |
| 22:33.52 | tz | re: carpal tunnel.... I had to write an autohotkey script to keep pressing buttons while holding keys down, qualityoflife++ |
| 22:34.14 | tz | like the old turbo-button shit from old 3rtparty game console controllers |
| 22:34.41 | tz | before that.... wrist braces and everything to try and fix shit, ugh |
| 22:35.03 | Mr_Rabies | be careful using AHK with wow, i know quite a few folks that have triggered anti-bot stuff using it |
| 22:35.17 | Mr_Rabies | and gotten the 6 month ban :x |
| 22:35.26 | tz | they've all been stupid shit |
| 22:35.47 | tz | tbh, if I get banned then that'll help the carpal tunnel anyway |
| 22:36.17 | tz | that said, it's not like I'm leaving the game unattended, which is what I believe is the main contributing factor for the bans |
| 22:36.28 | tz | cares little |
| 22:38.24 | Mr_Rabies | i think a lot of it is actions per minute and regularity of actions |
| 22:38.46 | Mr_Rabies | i knew people that used them to make listing auctions less tedious that got hit |
| 22:40.33 | znf | I once got a perma-ban |
| 22:40.35 | znf | got it lifted |
| 22:40.37 | znf | dunno how |
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| 22:42.06 | tz | 5x/sec seems like it doesn't trigger it then, I can hit keys more frequently than that manually anyway |
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| 22:49.06 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/ouD9rVe.png |
| 22:49.10 | znf | ...I had all the crystals |
| 22:49.14 | znf | then joined lfr |
| 22:49.18 | znf | crystals went poof :) |
| 22:49.19 | znf | :( |
| 22:50.59 | nevcairiel | quest items are often zone bound |
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| 23:16.53 | Gnarfoz | TheDanW: I can report that, indeed, the artifact window bug still happens for me. I shouldn't have said that I hadn't seen it in a while. :P |
| 23:17.13 | tz | wtb artifact query api without needing the window |
| 23:17.27 | tz | or, rather, without fucking with it |
| 23:20.35 | foxlit | tz: please sacrifice one limb. |
| 23:21.07 | foxlit | ("... something of equal value must be lost.") |
| 23:22.33 | Thunder_Child | That's equal value? Besides, I don't see a transmutation circle. |
| 23:29.16 | tz | how about a stick of salami |
| 23:30.44 | foxlit | a stick of salami may get them to fix this bug: https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ptr/Util.lua#95 |
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