| 00:00.10 | kullervo | same model as Warlords Intro Zone - Str Shield |
| 00:00.11 | znf | the alliance wins |
| 00:00.15 | znf | fucking piece of shit horde |
| 00:00.43 | znf | just transmog to http://www.wowhead.com/item=73213/trainees-shield |
| 00:00.45 | kullervo | znf: have you considered you might be the factor making y our team lose? |
| 00:01.59 | znf | I don't know - I have top damage and top points for the team (temple) |
| 00:02.31 | znf | could it be that I'm making my team lose? |
| 00:03.32 | kullervo | maybe you yell at them and tell them they're losing? |
| 00:03.44 | foxlit | pvp stats are mostly meaningless. |
| 00:05.23 | znf | I don't usually talk in BGs |
| 00:05.51 | znf | foxlit, team points are kind of a big deal in that bg you know? :P |
| 00:06.14 | foxlit | nope, don't even know what you're calling team points. |
| 00:06.40 | znf | you pick up an orb |
| 00:06.45 | znf | and you earn points towards victory |
| 00:07.06 | foxlit | ah, kotmonplacething. |
| 00:07.52 | znf | yes |
| 00:09.46 | znf | I need some stupid retarded addon that automatically links Curve to raid leaders |
| 00:11.57 | znf | I need a Clippy addon |
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| 00:12.07 | znf | "Hey, I noticed you applied to a heroic group, want to link curve?" |
| 00:15.50 | zenzelezz | Curve? |
| 00:16.30 | Mattavist | What's the best way to track when the GCD has started? Im currently using UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED and filtering by my own casts, but this generates lots of false positives, doesn't handle non-instant casts or off the gcd spells correctly, etc |
| 00:16.41 | znf | zenzelezz, "ahead of the curve" |
| 00:20.59 | kullervo | Mattavist: how about you track the GCD spell? |
| 00:22.09 | Gnarfoz | that'd be this one http://www.wowdb.com/spells/61304-global-cooldown |
| 00:22.59 | Mattavist | Oh I didn't know about that, ill check it out |
| 00:24.47 | znf | Stanzilla, I will totally get raped dps-wise in this Xavius HC pug :( |
| 00:24.51 | znf | other guy has 2 legendaries |
| 00:24.55 | znf | including the belt! :( |
| 00:25.08 | Stanzilla | rip |
| 00:31.23 | Stanzilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.27 | Stanzilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.32 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 00:31.44 | zenzelezz | good thing, there were clearly too many big ISPs |
| 00:31.55 | foxlit | they didn't buy the isp. |
| 00:32.13 | znf | Stanzilla, oh, kicked his ass |
| 00:33.27 | zenzelezz | what other part is there to Time Warner? |
| 00:33.48 | Stanzilla | HBO for example |
| 00:33.58 | Stanzilla | Time Warner Cable has always been separate and is now owned by Charter. |
| 00:33.59 | zenzelezz | they're under TW? Never knew |
| 00:39.58 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 00:40.04 | Stanzilla | with dc comics, the cw and so on |
| 00:54.14 | Arrowmaster | Time Warner Cable and Time Warner Inc have only been seperate since 2009 |
| 01:09.11 | WrathTECH_ | I don't get this. I am trying to modify the Artifact Frame. I have a code that loads the Blizzard_ArtifactUI addon, get the equipped artifact info, detects when the Artifact Frame has been opened perfectly fine, no issues at all. |
| 01:10.10 | WrathTECH_ | The code can hide the power text when the frame shows, but it can't change the text. But the text can be changed, it's like there is quite a delay when Blizz loads the power. |
| 01:28.27 | znf | DH warglaives are really lacking in appearance |
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| 01:42.13 | Semlar | TheDanW: any idea why inspecting someone's statistics freezes the game? |
| 01:44.35 | mckenziemc | yours are so inferior that rounding causes division by zero |
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| 02:04.34 | WrathTECH_ | There isn't a way to get the font name from the UI with a command in-game is there? |
| 02:06.32 | Sapu | http://wow.gamepedia.com/API_FontInstance_GetFont ? |
| 02:07.09 | WrathTECH_ | Ahh nice. Thank you, overlooked that one. |
| 02:09.05 | Sapu | np, doing UI stuff so had the docs open |
| 02:09.44 | WrathTECH_ | Nice. Been months since I didn't anything, lost all my bookmarks... : / |
| 02:13.40 | Sapu | Trying to manage the highlight of a button manaully, but seems like Blizzard tries to do it automatically even if you don't use Button:SetHighlightTexture() :( |
| 02:14.06 | Sapu | If I call Button:LockHighlight() once when creating the button then things work fine - seems hacky though |
| 02:14.32 | Sapu | or if i move the highlight to another draw layer |
| 02:17.00 | WrathTECH_ | I had a personal project last time I programmed addons where I had to extract the files, convert them and use them in my own addon to do something on that order. Due to blizzard interfering with there preset code. |
| 02:18.04 | WrathTECH_ | Ended up being more like web design, CSS rollovers. |
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| 02:33.23 | mckenziemc | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Castle_Cary_catch_points_-_01.jpg |
| 02:39.23 | Trela | So that catch point works by sending the train into a walk way. BRILLIANT! |
| 02:52.31 | znf | oh my god Stanzilla |
| 02:52.45 | znf | the CGI in Aftermath |
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| 03:28.57 | bshelden | Yay, ursoc down. Eyeball popped us. |
| 03:57.13 | karl_w_w | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentleman_%28disambiguation%29#Surname |
| 03:57.35 | karl_w_w | I pity the woman who marries these people |
| 03:57.46 | karl_w_w | who wants to be Mrs Gentleman? |
| 04:04.51 | mckenziemc | accuses karl_w_w of being a patriarchal sexist. |
| 04:05.55 | karl_w_w | that's not my name, you can call me Hugh Mungus |
| 04:08.16 | mckenziemc | your photo ID says you're Minis Cule. |
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| 04:35.43 | p3lim | GetItemInfoInstant wat is dis |
| 04:36.30 | p3lim | synchronous version of GetItemInfo? |
| 04:43.50 | fewyn | going to get my tattoo done next weekend, my tattoo guy is going to draw up some sketches and send them to me throughout the week |
| 05:06.12 | p3lim | https://i.p3lim.net/161023-070608.png |
| 05:06.14 | p3lim | aw yiss |
| 05:11.06 | karl_w_w | scammed! |
| 06:09.05 | p3lim | 865 neck with versatility |
| 06:09.06 | p3lim | so yes :p |
| 06:37.26 | relaxok | twice today i've gotten that bug where you can' treally get the camera directly behind you anymore |
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| 06:56.58 | Fisker | hughugs Cairenn |
| 06:57.06 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 06:59.35 | Yoshimo | what exactly does C_ArtifactUI.GetMetaPowerInfo() return? |
| 07:02.47 | Yoshimo | and does someone know if the artifact knowledge modifer increases 30% per rank of knowledge or is it a more complex formula? |
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| 07:19.17 | nevcairiel | its round about 25%, but the values are simply hardcoded in a data table, so there is no exact formula |
| 07:19.24 | nevcairiel | it looks like they used 25% and then rounded |
| 07:23.07 | Yoshimo | what is getmetapowerinfo about? |
| 07:27.47 | nevcairiel | meta powers are these things that give you flat life or damage for every rank you purchased |
| 07:29.03 | Yoshimo | do you have an example? i don't see the difference to bonus ranks from relics right now |
| 07:30.31 | nevcairiel | just look at the artifact level tooltip, it lists them there |
| 07:31.02 | nevcairiel | spells like these are meta bonuses http://wowhead.com/spell=211309 |
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| 09:41.46 | karl_w_w | https://www.facebook.com/djmosaken/videos/1596033380422883/ |
| 09:43.38 | nevcairiel | climbing game better played sitting down |
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| 10:50.50 | VIad | something happened to my chat yesterday, now, no links are clickable in it :/ |
| 10:50.57 | VIad | relog doesnt fix it |
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| 11:22.58 | modernist | p3lim: is the latest version of backpack on wowi stable? friend of mine is reporting weird errors running through each of the modules |
| 11:23.16 | p3lim | it's still in alpha/beta or w/e |
| 11:23.38 | modernist | https://gist.github.com/obble/01bfc4bd160729d643808ec2ead53c99 |
| 11:23.46 | modernist | ah okay |
| 11:27.06 | modernist | oh i see its in your issues already â the client thing |
| 11:27.09 | modernist | ill let him know |
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| 11:37.56 | ls- | damn, I completely forgot that 7.1 is in few days... |
| 11:47.50 | VIad | modernist: do you know a way to fix the chat click issue? |
| 11:48.08 | modernist | i dont, ive only had problems with it when scrolling upward |
| 11:48.33 | modernist | but didn't know of any kind of fix |
| 11:50.50 | ls- | what issue? O_o |
| 11:51.36 | VIad | before I could scroll and fix it |
| 11:51.40 | VIad | now scrolling dont fix it :P |
| 11:51.41 | VIad | xd |
| 11:54.31 | modernist | "hi i love your code, btw can i rip off 80% of it" |
| 11:54.39 | modernist | guess its time i mocked up a license |
| 11:55.50 | ls- | :p |
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| 12:01.54 | ls- | as a person who almost never uses open source software, and works w/ proprietary code all the time, I almost wish we could pre-compile our Lua code :p |
| 12:18.56 | haste | that would be potentially bad on so many levels |
| 12:22.05 | ls- | malware and shit? |
| 12:23.37 | haste | not really malware, but people have already put "remote exploits" into their code |
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| 12:46.22 | ls- | so malware and shit :p that's why I said "almost wish".. |
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| 14:03.03 | zenzelezz | welp... I clicked a link on Facebook to a video of a Tiger II on Youtube... now Youtube keeps recommending all kinds of similar videos... guess I'm not getting anything productive done today |
| 14:24.11 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/AJ0oFpf.gifv |
| 14:27.24 | znf | ...what the fuck |
| 14:27.28 | znf | just my luck, I guess |
| 14:27.37 | znf | I failed the bonus part of a mission with 195% |
| 14:27.41 | znf | son of a cunt |
| 14:30.57 | ls- | I rarely fail bonuses w/ ~165% chance... |
| 14:31.42 | ls- | according to MasterPlan, back in WoD I was helluva lucky too :p |
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| 15:05.35 | znf | so, Stanzilla |
| 15:05.37 | znf | should I make my own? |
| 15:20.08 | Stanzilla | dunno |
| 15:20.10 | Stanzilla | your money |
| 15:20.28 | Stanzilla | also stop switching channels |
| 15:20.34 | Stanzilla | you are almost as confusing as pompy |
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| 15:29.39 | znf | http://artifactpower.info/ |
| 15:29.46 | znf | how the fucking fuck does that guy have almost 4mil?! |
| 15:31.14 | Arrowmaster | bah my friend didnt renew our domain for the old email address i used for my roosterteeth account way back when, now i cant watch new episode of rbwy since its not on youtube yet |
| 15:33.29 | pompy | Stanzilla: ugh? |
| 15:33.48 | Stanzilla | yeah |
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| 15:34.15 | Arrowmaster | oh yay the server that hosted that domain and my two personal domains is gone too |
| 15:34.42 | Arrowmaster | good thing i only really use those domains for email and my personal ones are hosted elsewhere |
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| 15:54.14 | Ammako | anyone ever get a weird bug where you pressed enter to type in chat, and in the middle of typing it just activates keybinds "through" chat and cancels editbox |
| 15:55.38 | Ammako | seems to happen at random because the same keys work normally to type that letter in chat, and then all of a sudden it just cncels it and activates that keybind |
| 15:56.07 | Ammako | tried to type something to someone 3 times nowand its broken in the same way every time, lol |
| 16:11.41 | mckenziemc | did you enter a cheat code |
| 16:13.01 | VIad | UUDDLRLRBA |
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| 16:24.15 | mckenziemc | VIad here just entered the code to disable his firewall. |
| 16:24.18 | mckenziemc | hacks VIad. |
| 16:24.23 | VIad | :d |
| 16:24.29 | VIad | should be my wifi password |
| 16:24.31 | VIad | uuddlrlrba |
| 16:25.03 | VIad | â â â â â â â â B A |
| 16:25.05 | VIad | :3 |
| 16:25.11 | VIad | utf8 wifi passphrase :D |
| 16:26.19 | Arrowmaster | does wpa2 support utf8? |
| 16:26.43 | VIad | I dunno :'( |
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| 16:34.46 | mckenziemc | i'm not sure if that would make average password complexity increase or decrease |
| 16:36.13 | _Kee | EU is lagging dead |
| 16:36.31 | _Kee | nobody can use any item nor spell on my server since ~2 minutes |
| 16:36.40 | _Kee | RIP tonight raiding |
| 16:36.58 | mckenziemc | surely you mean since .2 seconds |
| 16:37.13 | _Kee | 2 minutes on Burning Legion, at least |
| 16:37.21 | mckenziemc | lag joke :( |
| 16:37.22 | Andols | _Kee: No problem for me :P |
| 16:37.26 | Ammako | must not be the region |
| 16:37.34 | Ammako | only the legion |
| 16:37.36 | _Kee | so server issue then |
| 16:37.58 | _Kee | yeah, only chat works :d |
| 16:39.18 | _Kee | trade chat got crazy, never saw it before |
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| 16:43.08 | _Kee | Hurray! Finally got my items from opening mana reward 6 minutes ago :D |
| 16:47.20 | _Kee | "We are currently investigating reports of login issues. Apologies for any inconvenience caused" Here we go :s |
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| 17:11.18 | nebula | anyone know unity? is there a way to extract from assets/resS files? i wanted to pull some textures out of the wow companion app |
| 17:14.21 | Alram | theres a bunch of unity extractors |
| 17:14.32 | VIad | same with hearthstone stuff |
| 17:14.55 | nebula | i only saw one with the ability of actually extracting stuff, but it didn't work with unity5/resS stuff |
| 17:17.22 | nebula | rather, most just extract the raw unity format, i only found one that would export something usable |
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| 17:42.42 | Stanzilla | nebula: check jleclanche github |
| 17:51.43 | jleclanche | ? |
| 17:51.58 | jleclanche | nebula: https://github.com/hearthsim/unitypack |
| 17:52.04 | nebula | yea, i found it, thanks |
| 17:52.09 | jleclanche | nebula: #hearthsim if you ever need help |
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| 18:01.57 | _Kee | Login server down, better every hour |
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| 18:04.31 | nebula | ah, that doesn't work for me anyway, the wow app uses streaming resources |
| 18:05.05 | Gnarfoz | the wow app also uses your battery, all of it |
| 18:05.36 | nebula | i've never had issues with it |
| 18:06.27 | _Kee | haha, server is up, about 200 people spawned at same time :D |
| 18:06.32 | _Kee | So many KILLS |
| 18:06.35 | mckenziemc | places all of Gnarfoz's batteries into a fire. |
| 18:06.37 | _Kee | So much honor |
| 18:06.40 | _Kee | That's amazing |
| 18:08.47 | _Kee | I got honor level from 42 to 48 in few seconds :D |
| 18:08.57 | nebula | bully |
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| 18:22.56 | Gnarfoz | ah, the good old "update 3d drivers while wow is running" trick :D |
| 18:31.18 | nevcairiel | the fun part is that b.net still crashes |
| 18:36.55 | Gnarfoz | haven't had it do that in a while now |
| 18:39.05 | Stanzilla | it's blizzard launcher now |
| 18:39.08 | Stanzilla | get used to it! |
| 18:39.39 | Gnarfoz | it's...not? |
| 18:40.20 | Stanzilla | why not? |
| 18:40.26 | Gnarfoz | because it's not been renamed |
| 18:40.33 | Stanzilla | it will be though |
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| 18:45.34 | nevcairiel | my shortcut still says battle.net! |
| 18:46.32 | Stanzilla | I said get used to it |
| 18:46.40 | Stanzilla | do |
| 18:46.40 | Stanzilla | it |
| 18:46.48 | Gnarfoz | to what? you don't even know what it's going to be called |
| 18:46.51 | Gnarfoz | so... unhype yourself |
| 18:46.54 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 18:47.00 | Stanzilla | they already called it blizzard launcher |
| 18:48.25 | znf | wtf druids |
| 18:48.33 | znf | got my 3rd speed trinket |
| 18:49.24 | mckenziemc | briefly misread that as ticket |
| 18:49.58 | Gnarfoz | not uncalled for, considering it's znf |
| 18:50.24 | nevcairiel | yeah znf that fing thing drops all the time |
| 18:50.40 | znf | waste of 3 days |
| 18:50.41 | znf | or is it 2? |
| 18:50.46 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: you get used to us calling it b.net client for ever! |
| 18:51.00 | Stanzilla | I probably will call it that myself until the end of days |
| 18:51.03 | Stanzilla | its just shorter :D |
| 18:51.10 | Stanzilla | an blauncher sounds like shit :D |
| 18:51.16 | Stanzilla | bee launcher |
| 18:51.23 | mckenziemc | blizzlaun |
| 18:51.35 | Gnarfoz | are you even listening to yourself |
| 18:51.36 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 18:51.42 | Stanzilla | wat |
| 18:52.27 | Gnarfoz | "blizzlaun" "blauncher"... it's just going to be "the launcher", as before the days of the bnet app |
| 18:52.50 | mckenziemc | but there are so many launchers these days :( |
| 18:53.06 | Stanzilla | thats why I said I will calling it they same as I do now |
| 18:53.52 | mckenziemc | and continue using autocorrect? |
| 18:54.31 | Stanzilla | the autocorrect in this channel is called Gnarfoz |
| 18:54.42 | mckenziemc | that's incorrect! |
| 18:54.53 | Gnarfoz | don't throw me in with that iOS shitpile called "autocorrect" |
| 18:58.25 | karl_w_w | was wow the first game to have the whole play-while-its-still-downloading thing? |
| 19:01.18 | Stanzilla | first game or first blizzard game? |
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| 19:03.08 | _Kee | Our tank got bugged, became INVINCIBLE and we was unable to wipe. |
| 19:03.13 | _Kee | Had to disband :/ |
| 19:03.19 | _Kee | Tank was unable to die |
| 19:03.33 | _Kee | f hell |
| 19:05.22 | _Kee | fight can't end, we cannot leave instance -_- |
| 19:06.24 | _Kee | oh happened at same time to many instances across all servers, many tanks became invincible |
| 19:06.48 | _Kee | That's hilarious |
| 19:06.50 | mckenziemc | sucks to be EU |
| 19:07.01 | mckenziemc | hides. |
| 19:07.29 | Gnarfoz | just _Kee's realm, no problems here :p |
| 19:08.02 | nevcairiel | yeah fine here too |
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| 19:09.58 | _Kee | [21:09:16] <Ursoc> [Special Warning] Roaring Cacophony! (40) |
| 19:10.15 | _Kee | tank just survived over 3 Billion hp and keeps increasing |
| 19:10.27 | _Kee | and we can't do anything |
| 19:10.30 | _Kee | that really sucks |
| 19:10.34 | Gnarfoz | post some combatlogs :D |
| 19:10.44 | _Kee | I can't post combatlogs while in combat |
| 19:10.51 | _Kee | I mean, encounter didn't end yet |
| 19:10.54 | Gnarfoz | actually, you can! :P |
| 19:10.59 | _Kee | can I? |
| 19:11.04 | _Kee | ok⦠|
| 19:11.54 | Gnarfoz | it's still buffered writes, but I think if you just turn combatlog on, wait until later, turn it off, WCL would take the upload even though you're technically "in fight" |
| 19:12.14 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. WCL's live logging feature will not process in-progress fights, but if you use the regular upload... maybe) |
| 19:12.55 | _Kee | I cant upload it, but one tank is lifestreaming it: www.twitch.tv/omnomnpotato |
| 19:12.56 | Gnarfoz | (and on blizzard's side, nothing is stopping you from turning on/off /combatlog at any point, it's just being written to disk in chunks) |
| 19:13.09 | _Kee | You can see it Live now, he is also invincible |
| 19:13.14 | Gnarfoz | not sure why you insist you can't, but a stream is probably more fun anyway |
| 19:13.28 | Gnarfoz | that guy looks dead |
| 19:13.43 | _Kee | it's not listed on list to upload |
| 19:13.45 | Gnarfoz | also, that's not ursoc oO |
| 19:13.54 | Gnarfoz | "listed on list to upload" wat :D |
| 19:14.04 | _Kee | yeah, that not mine guild, justr other with the very same issue |
| 19:14.12 | znf | why the fuck is the video quality on twitch so fucking bad? |
| 19:14.16 | _Kee | it happens across MANY groups accross many servers |
| 19:14.25 | Gnarfoz | s/MANY/some/ |
| 19:14.32 | _Kee | that's just some example |
| 19:14.37 | Gnarfoz | znf: because non-partners can only push ~3.5 Mbit/s? :P |
| 19:15.07 | Gnarfoz | (also, for reasons I've still not understood, red compresses badly) |
| 19:15.08 | nevcairiel | 3.5mbit is for more quality then that there :p |
| 19:15.37 | nevcairiel | and red is fine, its usually just high contrast that compresses badly, which for example is read on black |
| 19:15.43 | nevcairiel | red* |
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| 19:16.10 | _Kee | can't upload logs: not on list, and I got dc so can't livelog too |
| 19:16.10 | znf | red compresses badly because 4:2:0, right? |
| 19:16.22 | Alram | has Gnarfoz done his daily wow mobile app battery complaint yet |
| 19:16.30 | Gnarfoz | what list? (and well, if you haven't logged before... can't do it after the fact) |
| 19:16.34 | znf | 4:2:2 I mean |
| 19:16.35 | Gnarfoz | Alram: yes |
| 19:16.38 | Alram | oh ok |
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| 19:16.58 | Gnarfoz | Alram: it's long been fixed AFAIK, doesn't mean the app isn't still shit :P |
| 19:17.11 | Alram | preaching to the choir Gnarfoz |
| 19:17.14 | znf | Ferals shoudl be able to use spell caster trinkets, right? |
| 19:17.34 | Gnarfoz | Alram: I'm not sure what I object more to: preaching or choirs! :D |
| 19:18.00 | Gnarfoz | _Kee: what language is that? hmm |
| 19:18.15 | _Kee | polish |
| 19:18.24 | Gnarfoz | that's what I thought \o/ |
| 19:18.53 | nevcairiel | znf: 4:2:0, and yes thats generally a problem for high contrast color areas, like fine red lines |
| 19:19.07 | nevcairiel | but anyway you can get much better quality then that garbage there |
| 19:19.16 | nevcairiel | most people just tend to crank up resoilution |
| 19:19.18 | Gnarfoz | in my experience, red seems overly affected |
| 19:19.24 | Gnarfoz | even on not-black |
| 19:19.25 | nevcairiel | instead of reducing resolution and icnreasing quality per pixel |
| 19:19.27 | nevcairiel | so to speak |
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| 19:19.51 | Gnarfoz | that there is 720p, for which 3.5 MBit/s could work... but maybe their encoder is set to --ultra-fast-but-ultra-shit |
| 19:20.23 | znf | 4:4:4 is where is at! |
| 19:20.31 | nevcairiel | not sure twitch accepts that |
| 19:20.34 | Gnarfoz | so I just need to follow the guy on twitch and he'll shave off his beard? |
| 19:20.55 | Gnarfoz | someoen really just bought Azshari Salad for 500g/pc |
| 19:21.19 | Gnarfoz | maybe they didn't look before buying ;D |
| 19:21.23 | znf | I should craft some fo that food |
| 19:21.28 | znf | for selling |
| 19:22.06 | Gnarfoz | Twitch is garbage tier streaming, sadly |
| 19:22.09 | jnwhiteh | If you had to pick one of these images to represent Autumn, which would it be? http://imgur.com/a/eBDeE |
| 19:22.29 | znf | those are mushrooms?! |
| 19:22.43 | Gnarfoz | either of the misty mountains |
| 19:23.51 | znf | there, better: https://goo.gl/photos/E4yFWgWajDtc5kG26 |
| 19:24.21 | jnwhiteh | znf: you like that colour better? |
| 19:24.33 | znf | the original seems washed out |
| 19:24.40 | jnwhiteh | aye, I need to mess with it |
| 19:24.52 | jnwhiteh | just looking for the right photo to do some more editing :P |
| 19:25.08 | mckenziemc | what does that 4:2:0 notation refer to |
| 19:25.19 | Gnarfoz | (sub)sampling of image components |
| 19:25.25 | znf | mckenziemc, chroma subsampling |
| 19:26.13 | znf | basically https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Colorcomp.jpg |
| 19:26.25 | nevcairiel | its a technique used to reduce the bandwidth of image data, coming from analog days still |
| 19:26.41 | nevcairiel | unfortunately as with many things, copied to the digital age |
| 19:26.49 | znf | which makes me wonder why it's 4:2:0 is still the de facto standard |
| 19:26.59 | znf | I'm actually curious if Twitch does 4:4:4 |
| 19:27.06 | znf | I know YouTube does 4:4:4 |
| 19:27.13 | nevcairiel | mostly because its a cheap way to reduce bandwidth and not noticeable on real-world content |
| 19:27.28 | znf | twitch should know better... |
| 19:28.51 | znf | I was 100% sure that OBS had options for chroma subsampling |
| 19:28.55 | znf | guess I was wrong |
| 19:30.01 | znf | "Lossless encoding consumes a ridiculous amount of disk-space. In my opinion, it's an academic curiosity only. |
| 19:30.02 | znf | " |
| 19:30.24 | nevcairiel | dont need lossless game recording to get good quality |
| 19:30.26 | Corrodias | an interesting but poorly-informed opinion |
| 19:30.49 | nevcairiel | lossless has its uses, but game streaming isnt it =p |
| 19:30.51 | Corrodias | your only other option is real-time encoding, which is shit. even though that's your only option for streaming live. |
| 19:31.29 | Corrodias | in every other situation that you're not streaming live, lossless encoding lets you take a second crack at it with an encoder that can take its time to do the job right. |
| 19:31.30 | znf | yeah, I just found that while looking for OBS support for 4:4:4 |
| 19:32.17 | nevcairiel | if you have the space then using a lossless or near-lossless mode as an intermediate is fine |
| 19:32.24 | znf | there's an "obs studio" apparently |
| 19:33.20 | znf | There should at least be an option to capture/stream in 4:4:4 in streaming software :-/ |
| 19:33.28 | Corrodias | the multi-platform version that i believe is intended to replace "obs classic" entirely (eventually?) |
| 19:33.42 | znf | I always dislike looking at game videos, one of the reason is the washed out colors |
| 19:35.03 | Corrodias | it lets you set custom muxer and video encoder settings. maybe one of those can change the chroma |
| 19:35.35 | zenzelezz | my vision must be horrible, because apart from obvious resolution differences, I rarely see any major problems in quality |
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| 19:36.19 | jnwhiteh | znf: thoughts on this? http://imgur.com/a/gii6o |
| 19:36.35 | znf | too much |
| 19:36.37 | jnwhiteh | colour-wise (or anything) |
| 19:36.47 | znf | too much color |
| 19:36.51 | jnwhiteh | I'm really bad with colour |
| 19:36.53 | znf | makes it look like spring green |
| 19:37.09 | znf | load up in google photos |
| 19:37.10 | znf | hit auto |
| 19:37.10 | znf | done |
| 19:37.15 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 19:37.26 | jnwhiteh | sure, but I do want to learn a bit more about how to do it |
| 19:37.56 | znf | what do you think I did? :P |
| 19:38.01 | znf | Ah, OBS has 4:4:4 options |
| 19:38.13 | znf | their new studio thingie, anyway |
| 19:38.35 | Corrodias | where in the settings? |
| 19:38.39 | jnwhiteh | znf: that's google from the original: https://goo.gl/photos/CwrwpTxRxLBRRruA8 |
| 19:39.00 | jnwhiteh | oh god yeah |
| 19:39.08 | jnwhiteh | I *really* over-did the colour |
| 19:39.51 | znf | Corrodias, http://i.imgur.com/TEJmynv.png |
| 19:40.17 | Corrodias | thank you |
| 19:46.24 | znf | how the fuck does this work |
| 19:46.32 | Corrodias | that doesn't appear to be an option in my version. i wonder where those profiles are stored. |
| 19:46.45 | znf | switch to NVENC |
| 19:47.16 | Corrodias | does that require an nvidia video card? |
| 19:47.33 | znf | yes |
| 19:47.48 | znf | http://hastebin.com/xalolikazi.sql |
| 19:47.51 | znf | 22:44:17.313: Called profile end with mismatching name: start("do_encode"[00007FFAFAA69B80]) <-> end("receive_video"[00007FFAFAA69B90]) |
| 19:47.54 | znf | so no 444? |
| 19:51.00 | jnwhiteh | I think I'm going to go with this one, from my phone: https://goo.gl/photos/1bVj9qZFKK6htTnCA |
| 19:54.04 | znf | click on auto |
| 19:54.48 | jnwhiteh | .. I did. |
| 19:54.51 | jnwhiteh | you're obsessed with it. |
| 19:55.20 | znf | the red could be more red |
| 19:55.20 | znf | :D |
| 19:55.27 | jnwhiteh | Google disagrees |
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| 19:59.45 | znf | why can't I make my own edits to my own copy |
| 20:01.08 | znf | The stream's current bitrate (10073.00 Kbps) is higher than the recommended bitrate. We recommend that you use a stream bitrate of 4500 Kbps. |
| 20:02.59 | znf | so no, my GPU doesn't like the high444p profile |
| 20:03.12 | nevcairiel | need a fairly recent one, probably |
| 20:03.52 | znf | I have a gtx 960 :-/ |
| 20:05.48 | Iriel | jnwhiteh: I dont like the way the whites are completely blown out on that one |
| 20:05.54 | jnwhiteh | yeah me neither |
| 20:06.06 | jnwhiteh | I can't compete with these douchebags though. |
| 20:06.17 | jnwhiteh | They go insane with framing and depth of field and put a level of effort in that I can't/don't. |
| 20:06.19 | jnwhiteh | heh =) |
| 20:07.04 | WrathTECH | Is there an updated addon for legion that allows you to view all models in-game? Maybe even a program that's better than WoW Model Viewer... it's pretty buggy in it's current alpha stage |
| 20:09.50 | znf | This is getting fucking ridiculous, LG |
| 20:10.02 | znf | I just bought the new camera lens 2 months ago |
| 20:10.13 | znf | I have to change it again. Can't believe how easily it gets scratched |
| 20:10.58 | Gnarfoz | maybe it's to do with how you treat your phone? |
| 20:11.23 | znf | I treat it the same way I treated my Nexus 5 |
| 20:11.57 | znf | that thing never got a scratch after 1+ years |
| 20:12.00 | Iriel | I managed to shatter the screen on my Nexus 5, the only phone i've done that to. |
| 20:12.14 | znf | I've shattered it, too |
| 20:12.28 | znf | but I dropped it on hard concrete from 2 meters, face down |
| 20:12.28 | Iriel | Let's hope the Pixel behaves better. |
| 20:12.31 | Stanzilla | same with my N5 |
| 20:12.41 | znf | ...not once. |
| 20:12.42 | Stanzilla | and same replacement :D |
| 20:12.48 | Stanzilla | highfives Iriel |
| 20:14.52 | Iriel | Sadly work's annoying email client doesn't work on pixel yet, so I've been blissfully ignorant of that world for the last couple of days. |
| 20:14.59 | znf | https://gaming.youtube.com/user/znuffie/live |
| 20:15.06 | znf | sound alert |
| 20:15.38 | znf | yeah, no, my CPU can't handle x264 live encoding |
| 20:15.41 | znf | also I crashed chrome |
| 20:18.34 | znf | is that thing smooth for you guys? |
| 20:18.35 | znf | or? |
| 20:20.09 | znf | hello? |
| 20:20.23 | Iriel | clicks it. |
| 20:21.03 | znf | oh, ok |
| 20:21.03 | znf | YouTube is not receiving enough video to maintain smooth streaming. As such, viewers will experience buffering. |
| 20:21.07 | Alram | nice picture znf |
| 20:21.12 | znf | I see no dropped frames |
| 20:21.12 | Alram | or is it supposed to be a video |
| 20:21.14 | znf | in OBS |
| 20:21.15 | nevcairiel | its a single picture |
| 20:21.16 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 20:21.17 | Iriel | znf: basically non-functional in chrome for me |
| 20:21.18 | znf | and it's uploading |
| 20:21.19 | znf | wtf? |
| 20:21.31 | Alram | highly detailed picture though |
| 20:21.32 | Alram | could be worse |
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| 20:21.55 | znf | tries again |
| 20:22.23 | nevcairiel | now it worked for 10 seconds or so then it froze again |
| 20:22.25 | znf | ah, now we're dropping frames |
| 20:23.03 | znf | mkay, thanks for your assistance |
| 20:23.43 | znf | ah, so... |
| 20:23.52 | Alram | it works |
| 20:23.54 | Alram | nice quality too |
| 20:24.02 | znf | as long as I don't actually switch to the game, it works :)) |
| 20:24.08 | znf | as soon as I tab to it, my CPU can't keep up |
| 20:26.05 | znf | https://dirtycow.ninja/ |
| 20:26.06 | znf | Ah, crap |
| 20:26.10 | znf | that's going to be another long day |
| 20:26.42 | nevcairiel | its local only, at least |
| 20:27.21 | znf | yes, but with how many vulnerable wordpress installations are out there... :-/ |
| 20:28.06 | kullervo | some bots keep hammering my server for that crap |
| 20:28.36 | kullervo | I think I installed something that bans IPs if they request some usual attack vectors |
| 20:29.00 | Corrodias | from what everyone says, 10-bit encoding would be more useful for OBS to support than 4:4:4 (which it supposedly does though few decoders do), but it doesn't seem to be an option yet. |
| 20:29.19 | nevcairiel | decoders that do 10-bit probably also do 4:4:4 |
| 20:29.27 | nevcairiel | and for quality, 4:4.4 would give you more then 10-bit |
| 20:29.29 | Corrodias | fair enough |
| 20:29.45 | nevcairiel | 10-bit would give you some compression benefits |
| 20:29.47 | znf | 4:4:4 is basically RGB |
| 20:30.46 | Corrodias | that does not seem to be the consensus according to what i've read so far. examples, http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/archive/index.php/t-251029.html and this about quality http://x264.nl/x264/10bit_02-ateme-why_does_10bit_save_bandwidth.pdf |
| 20:31.20 | Corrodias | ah, you mention compression benefits |
| 20:31.23 | Corrodias | *mentioned |
| 20:31.25 | nevcairiel | it all depends on your context |
| 20:31.47 | nevcairiel | game recording/streaming? real life recordings? etc |
| 20:32.44 | nevcairiel | games are 8-bit on your screen, so 10-bit cant really improve quality beyond icnreasing efficiency (and more efficiency can either mean smaller or more quality), while preserving 4:4:4 color especially for highly detailed game scenes provides much more quality gains |
| 20:33.52 | nevcairiel | on the other hand for real-world filming, chroma subsampling is often not that easily noticed, while gradiation problems especially in dark scenes are often a problem, so 10-bit can help there in image quality on top of just efficiency |
| 20:33.55 | znf | in regards to anime, 10bit is just efficient (anime is just crazy on 10bit, for some reasons) |
| 20:35.17 | mckenziemc | znf, Iriel: did your Nexus 5 ever freeze when copying files? |
| 20:35.38 | Iriel | mckenziemc: I didn't do a lot of file copying, so "I'd have to say no, not that I ever noticed. |
| 20:35.40 | znf | I haven't had a N5 for over a year now |
| 20:36.01 | znf | but no, I don't recall it freezing when I was copying files to my USB drive |
| 20:36.53 | mckenziemc | copying files to a PC i mean |
| 20:37.30 | znf | the only way I probably ever did that was with AirDroid |
| 20:37.35 | mckenziemc | i have until wednesday to decide between my N5 or the Galaxy S5 T-Mobile sent me as a replacement |
| 20:38.43 | znf | t-mobile sent you a S5 as a replacement? |
| 20:40.15 | mckenziemc | they had no N5s left |
| 20:40.24 | znf | why no upgrade? :P |
| 20:40.40 | Fisker | Ask for the note 7 |
| 20:41.09 | mckenziemc | because the N5 was on the last month of the EIP |
| 20:43.16 | Corrodias | it seems that OBS just isn't a good choice if you're going for high-quality recordings, which makes sense. it's made for streaming. no support for 10-bit encoding and SOME support for 4:4:4, but only with NVENC as far as i can tell? |
| 20:43.35 | Corrodias | and Flash evidently can't playback that video, though finally Twitch is testing a full HTML5 player |
| 20:44.10 | mckenziemc | places seven Note 7s in Fisker's walls. |
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| 20:44.32 | Corrodias | but if you're doing recording, something like dxtory is usually going to be a better option |
| 20:53.58 | Corrodias | ... that is, IF it can capture the thing that you want to record. which i suppose doesn't include any desktop/browser stuff. |
| 20:53.59 | Gnarfoz | can addons not leave pvp queues? |
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| 20:55.59 | nebula | don't think they can enter/leave queue |
| 20:56.06 | Gnarfoz | enter works |
| 20:56.34 | nebula | ah |
| 20:56.45 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt think enter works |
| 20:56.49 | nebula | thought they broke that stuff to stop premade queuing |
| 20:56.54 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 20:57.09 | nevcairiel | at least not without hardware event, i would think |
| 20:58.32 | Gnarfoz | oh wait, no, I'm talking nonsense :D it just opens the pvp window |
| 20:58.43 | Gnarfoz | but I want to leave the queue and there's no option that works :D |
| 20:59.20 | znf | Corrodias, most people are using nvidia anyway |
| 20:59.24 | znf | and nvidia has shadowplay thingie |
| 21:00.02 | Corrodias | sadly so |
| 21:00.35 | Corrodias | i'm not a fan of the company. i'm not a fan of AMD, either, but considering the market share imbalance, i'm not favorable to technologies that only work on one. |
| 21:01.18 | Corrodias | funny thing is, x264 is capable of doing 4:4:4 if i'm reading right. OBS just doesn't support a profile for it. |
| 21:03.33 | znf | it does |
| 21:03.38 | znf | you can do --profile high444 |
| 21:03.47 | znf | but the CPU cost is too high |
| 21:04.11 | Corrodias | overrides the profile setting? cool. but why does that take more CPU? :o |
| 21:04.24 | Corrodias | that doesn't seem like the sort of thing that should be so intense |
| 21:04.33 | kd3 | probably because it's not hardware accelerated and so it has to do it in software |
| 21:04.46 | Gnarfoz | x264 -> software |
| 21:04.51 | Corrodias | but it's doing everything *else* in software already... |
| 21:05.09 | Gnarfoz | if you want hardware, you won't be using x264 ;p |
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| 21:20.12 | znf | Corrodias, uhm, no? |
| 21:20.21 | znf | nvenc and quicksync are hardware accelerate encoders |
| 21:20.38 | znf | but those don't support but a fixed list of profiles |
| 21:20.48 | znf | x264 is software, so ofc it's using your CPU |
| 21:22.12 | Corrodias | i think i see where the misunderstanding was. you were saying x264 *in general* takes too much CPU time, regardless of whether you're using YV24? |
| 21:22.54 | Corrodias | i thought you meant that speicific profile does. |
| 21:23.05 | Gnarfoz | clearly, more CPU than any of the hardware encoders ^^ |
| 21:26.53 | mckenziemc | hey now, CPUs are hardware too! |
| 21:28.00 | Corrodias | gasp! |
| 21:28.23 | Corrodias | hardware which is mostly idle where videogames are concerned, at that |
| 21:29.10 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 21:29.11 | Gnarfoz | that's nonsense, too |
| 21:29.42 | Corrodias | is it? i don't think i've seen a game use more than a couple of cores worth. |
| 21:30.04 | Corrodias | maybe a few split the work better |
| 21:32.30 | nevcairiel | x264 can use any and all cpu you give it |
| 21:32.36 | nevcairiel | only the sky is the limit |
| 21:43.16 | znf | you can also use the shitty profiles for x264 |
| 21:43.20 | znf | like ultrafast or whatever they're called |
| 21:43.25 | znf | they'll produce a very crappy result tough |
| 21:45.24 | Corrodias | i think most folks use the default, veryfast |
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| 21:50.19 | Corrodias | that profile option doesn't appear to do anything, though. |
| 21:51.03 | Corrodias | ah, uses a bit different format... let's try profile=high444 |
| 21:51.36 | Corrodias | hm, nope |
| 21:58.17 | znf | --profile high444p |
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| 22:16.44 | Corrodias | yeah. no effect in OBS at all. or are you putting it somewhere other than the x264 options field? |
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| 22:20.30 | Semlar | someone commenting on nomicakes thinks that getting raw ingredients back means you can't learn anything with that ingredient and insists that my addon is wrong |
| 22:20.54 | nebula | insist that he's wrong |
| 22:21.09 | nebula | it's a battle of will |
| 22:32.43 | nevcairiel | i know that he is wrong, because it has given me some back right from the start while I learned some from the same one later =p |
| 22:35.12 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.27 | Simca | it giving 1x of the ingredient back was one of the early hotfixes |
| 22:50.37 | Simca | in response to the 'every single work order is burned shit' |
| 22:58.08 | znf | fuck Nomi. |
| 23:04.53 | mckenziemc | makes znfcakes. |
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