| 00:08.04 | foxlit | standards for animal cruelty are weird. |
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| 00:37.07 | Semlar | Kinesia1: /nomi should tell you everything that you can learn |
| 00:37.21 | Semlar | from each ingredient |
| 00:41.25 | kd3 | whee. time for the drinking game to start |
| 00:41.46 | foxlit | is the logic any more complicated than "if I have a non-three-star recipe that uses an ingredient, I can learn an upgrade for that recipe by using that ingredient?" |
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| 00:49.31 | kullervo | kd3: drink if someone loots gear, drink to congratulate them if it's an upgrade, drink twice if you loot something, drink in their memory if someone dies, empty your drink if it's a full wipe |
| 00:49.52 | kd3 | nah, more drinking to lament the state of modern american democracy |
| 00:50.14 | kullervo | didn't I already say it's a circus |
| 00:50.20 | Ammako | sold those BoE 835 mail legs i got for 25k, not too shabby |
| 00:50.42 | Ammako | and a stack of 20 tomes of tranquil mind i got from dalran intro quests 450 each... iwas never going to use them |
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| 00:54.41 | foxlit | I'm considering adding profession conditionals along the lines of [engineering:42] to check if you have at least 42 skill points in engineering. Does this list of short/long names make sense? http://pastebin.com/Qwj1ATt4 |
| 00:55.08 | kullervo | Ammako: http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/Wow-64_2016-10-20_03-55-06.png |
| 00:57.02 | kullervo | just in case you felt too good about your sales :^) |
| 01:11.24 | nebula | if you have multiple hidden artifacts, i assume they all unlock the different skins at the same time, you just need to be using one, yea? |
| 01:13.32 | Ammako | the tracking achievements are the same for every hidden artifact afaik |
| 01:13.55 | Ammako | or at least its internal name doesnt specifically refer toa spec in particular |
| 01:15.15 | relaxok | hidden gnomeregan boss |
| 01:15.21 | relaxok | i knew there was some shit like that |
| 01:15.28 | relaxok | (sorry im late reading it) |
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| 01:16.33 | Ammako | mmm and the artifact appearance window just says you need to be using a hidden appearance. also i went and checked and achievement ids are the same so it should carry over |
| 01:16.45 | znf | <kullervo> Ammako: http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/Wow-64_2016-10-20_03-55-06.png |
| 01:16.49 | znf | fucking herbalists, man... |
| 01:20.45 | Ammako | why does the flight master in dalaran always pick sandstone drake, i want it to use ji-kun sometimes too :( |
| 01:21.19 | znf | is ji-kun your favorite mount? |
| 01:21.43 | Ammako | i mean i only have those two in favorites that are flying moutns |
| 01:22.27 | znf | no idea then |
| 01:24.06 | Ammako | dont mind it using sandstone drake, but variety is the spice of life :3 |
| 01:27.06 | kullervo | znf: I don't even have gathering professions |
| 01:27.18 | znf | wtf are you selling, then? >_< |
| 01:27.28 | kullervo | I have the finest goods in the land |
| 01:28.41 | kullervo | seriously though? http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_102016_035445.jpg |
| 01:29.43 | znf | so jewelcrafting? |
| 01:30.02 | kullervo | blacksmithing, alchemy, everything |
| 01:34.34 | Gnarfoz | who even buys old gems |
| 01:34.36 | Gnarfoz | for those prices |
| 01:35.11 | kullervo | Gnarfoz: some of those are fallback prices too, lower than my usual, because there was a period where nobody bought anything |
| 01:35.24 | kullervo | but now timewalking's hot again |
| 01:35.38 | kullervo | timewalking and low lvl pvp are the reasons anyone buys that shit |
| 01:36.08 | Gnarfoz | timewalking... whyyy |
| 01:36.30 | Gnarfoz | it's ridiculously easy, it's not challenge mode, why would anyone gear for it |
| 01:38.02 | Gnarfoz | (also, most of that looks like "don't try this if you're not already sitting on a million gold" things. not a good idea to buy and keep around expensive stuff for when maybe, someday, it'll sell at a good price... if you're hurting for gold) |
| 01:38.12 | kullervo | Gnarfoz: to make it FUN |
| 01:38.56 | Ammako | it's really sad that no primary stats on jewelry = way higher level pieces can be complete downgrades |
| 01:38.58 | kullervo | and yeah, none of the stuff I sell is good for short term profit |
| 01:38.59 | Gnarfoz | is that what happens? must be those hidden "+fun" gems |
| 01:39.14 | Ammako | i have a 815 neck and got a 840 titanforged from world quest that's a downgrade |
| 01:39.28 | kullervo | Gnarfoz: "Look look I can pull the WHOLE DUNGEON!!!" |
| 01:39.40 | kullervo | you can't do that without breaking some certain stat percentages |
| 01:39.58 | kullervo | 100% block value etc helps |
| 01:40.35 | Gnarfoz | uhm, timewalking doesn't reintroduce old mechanics :P |
| 01:41.25 | kullervo | I meant block chance |
| 01:41.32 | Gnarfoz | anyway, it already felt like god mode in there, without doing anything special |
| 01:41.47 | kullervo | it's just another way for players to twink, except now they can do it on their mains |
| 01:41.55 | kullervo | and who am I to stop them? |
| 01:42.13 | Gnarfoz | if your realm has people who waste their time on that, more power to them (and more gold to you) |
| 01:42.16 | kullervo | it's only fair that after all these years, I get to sell the gems I got the designs for |
| 01:42.42 | kullervo | Gnarfoz: I maaaay have overhyped it with friends on multiple social media channels including trade chat |
| 01:43.04 | kullervo | and that set the meme rolling and people actually discussed bis timewalk gear, gems and enchant on trade |
| 01:43.31 | Gnarfoz | either your realm is tiny, you're a trade chat celebrity, or you're in a parallel universe |
| 01:43.32 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 01:44.12 | kullervo | it's a big realm, I'm an undermine journal celebrity, and I drain the raw materials from market to stop competitors |
| 01:44.25 | Thunder_Child | What if this is the parallel universe? |
| 01:44.37 | kullervo | and yeah this is definitely a parallel universe |
| 01:44.41 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: there might be some parallels |
| 01:44.43 | Mr_Rabies | this is the berenstain universe |
| 01:44.49 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Gnarfoz |
| 01:44.49 | purl | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that Gnarfoz is stuck to the floor |
| 01:44.59 | kullervo | Mr_Rabies: that's the same I'm in right now, probably |
| 01:45.19 | Mr_Rabies | sometime around 2005-2007 there was a crisis that split our earth into two parallel earths, berenstein and berenstain |
| 01:45.33 | Gnarfoz | please take a rag and clean off that stain |
| 01:45.51 | kullervo | Mr_Rabies: were you in an accident or another potentially life treatening happening during that time? |
| 01:46.02 | kullervo | or perhaps even several |
| 01:46.05 | Mr_Rabies | graduating high school |
| 01:46.07 | Mr_Rabies | so yeah |
| 01:46.13 | Mr_Rabies | :v |
| 01:46.31 | Ammako | hot clue |
| 01:48.17 | Gnarfoz | (how does someone end up named Berenstain anyway, did someone typo that during immigration? feels almost "weiner" levels of wrong) |
| 01:50.30 | relaxok | the berenstain bears? |
| 01:51.23 | Gnarfoz | (yes? no? what's your question?) |
| 01:52.01 | relaxok | how did that name come up |
| 01:56.36 | Kinesia1 | Semlar, /nomi is awesome. I especially love the unknown recipes list |
| 02:02.51 | Mr_Rabies | relaxok: http://www.woodbetween.world/2012/08/the-berenstein-bears-we-are-living-in.html |
| 02:03.39 | Semlar | this mob is evading because it's trying to kill a rat that it can't get to |
| 02:07.20 | Constie | Same. |
| 02:08.18 | Mr_Rabies | (i'm mostly joking but it's weird when people collectively remember things and the reality is totally different) |
| 02:09.59 | Constie | See also "Do? That's the beauty of it! It doesn't DO anything!". |
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| 02:21.56 | Ammako | can we have ss vs. tm back |
| 02:23.48 | Ammako | also its interesting how many addons dont handle russian characters properly |
| 02:48.57 | Thunder_Child | Kinesia1: Semlar would say thank you, but he is a robot. |
| 02:49.05 | Thunder_Child | He took over for Shirik. |
| 02:49.28 | Semlar | beep boop |
| 02:49.52 | Thunder_Child | I meant AI not robot. |
| 02:49.58 | Thunder_Child | Although AI's have manners. |
| 02:50.38 | Thunder_Child | Speaking of which. Guill, take off Friday. |
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| 03:08.11 | Kinesia1 | Good AI's have manners. |
| 03:10.38 | Kinesia1 | But, yes, I like it when Addons have features I didn't even realise I needed. |
| 03:11.37 | kullervo | how can we send Semlar drug money? |
| 03:11.56 | kullervo | money for buying drugs, not money from selling drugs |
| 03:12.05 | Thunder_Child | No need, he is high on life. |
| 03:12.34 | Semlar | i take all forms of drug money |
| 03:13.35 | kullervo | I actually found a dealer recently |
| 03:13.54 | Semlar | does he got what you need |
| 03:14.23 | kullervo | tbh he DOES but there are several things that stop me from buying |
| 03:15.26 | kullervo | such as myself being security and him telling me about his product when I was at work |
| 03:17.47 | Thunder_Child | And the badge sticking out of his pocket might have been a giveaway as well. |
| 03:18.43 | kullervo | nah, but he was like 15, I told him to fuck off and drop the drugs for a few years |
| 03:19.30 | kullervo | got a good story to tell everyone who asks me about drugs |
| 03:21.42 | Torhal | drugs kullervo so his conversations with Semlar will be easier. |
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| 03:34.54 | mckenziemc | kullervo: what do you think "cup of coffee" donations are? |
| 03:36.00 | kullervo | mckenziemc: drug money |
| 03:40.04 | Semlar | more like cup of cocaine |
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| 05:11.36 | mckenziemc | http://www.cfbinspect.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Termites-in-the-home.jpg o.O |
| 05:13.40 | Trela | Time to move out. |
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| 05:36.59 | Semlar | man none of these premade groups are looking for people with no experience and low rating |
| 05:55.57 | mckenziemc | terminates Semlar. |
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| 07:47.33 | VIad | Semlar: are you saying that eng gliders dont work in BG, but crafted once do? |
| 07:47.44 | nevcairiel | that is correct |
| 07:47.50 | VIad | that is retarded(?) |
| 07:48.06 | VIad | but probably because eng one is "enchant" :p |
| 07:48.17 | VIad | and all enchants are disabled by brute force and probably no exceptions |
| 07:48.21 | nevcairiel | there is probably a blanket disable on all usable equipped items |
| 07:48.37 | VIad | do enchants even work in bgs? |
| 07:48.46 | nevcairiel | no |
| 07:48.55 | nevcairiel | nothing works |
| 07:48.58 | VIad | I'd say thats the main reason glider didnt work ;d |
| 07:49.02 | nevcairiel | no enchants, no trinkets, no set bonus |
| 07:49.09 | nevcairiel | no legendaries |
| 07:49.10 | nevcairiel | no nothing |
| 07:49.18 | VIad | well they also disable a bunch of items from being used, so weird they let the glider one be okay |
| 07:49.47 | VIad | one would assume they block everything by default, and whitelist :p |
| 07:50.23 | nevcairiel | maybe they did whitelist the glider, its not a big advantage when everyone can just buy them of the AH |
| 07:53.59 | VIad | would be nice if they whitelist that enchant too :'( |
| 07:54.18 | VIad | or their system might not be designed to allow whitelisting on specific enchants and wildcard items :p |
| 07:55.10 | nevcairiel | or you can just do what everyone does and use the same gliders =p |
| 07:55.17 | VIad | NO! |
| 07:55.26 | VIad | I want to use mine - saves bag slot and is macroed :p |
| 07:55.55 | VIad | soon one might as well just drop engineering since it is completely useless with restrictions :p |
| 07:57.30 | VIad | tried to auction from my phone - so slow and disconnects. gotta have to login via remote desktop ugh the horrors :( |
| 08:00.49 | Semlar | looks like none of them work in rated BGs |
| 08:01.04 | nevcairiel | that sounds sensible |
| 08:08.54 | VIad | after I buy one thing on the app from the AH, I have connection issues :p gotta restart the app |
| 08:18.06 | Semlar | do you get 300 honor for all pvp world quests |
| 08:18.17 | Semlar | because they don't list honor as a reward |
| 08:18.31 | Semlar | this just says 325 order resources |
| 08:19.18 | nevcairiel | 300 for towers, 500 for arenas |
| 08:24.05 | nebula | Semlar: the toolip isn't update after i pick up stuff from nomi |
| 08:24.09 | nebula | updating* even |
| 08:24.31 | nebula | things forever ready to pickup |
| 08:24.43 | Semlar | it only updates when you open the work order window |
| 08:25.04 | nebula | should use ENCOUNTER_LOOT or whatever and update it! |
| 08:25.21 | Semlar | i don't think nomi counts as a boss fight |
| 08:25.30 | nebula | it definitely fires |
| 08:25.46 | Semlar | is nomi a raid boss |
| 08:25.51 | nebula | apparently |
| 08:25.55 | Semlar | this would explain a lot |
| 08:26.01 | nebula | he's the mythic boss after guldan |
| 08:26.19 | nevcairiel | nomi is sargeras, burning the world one food at a time |
| 08:26.26 | nebula | it all makes sense now |
| 08:26.30 | Shockah|Work | was about to say that nevcairiel :C |
| 08:37.04 | VIad | nomi is putting fel in the food that isn't burned and is slowly converting all of us into legion pawns |
| 08:38.26 | nevcairiel | you are a demon hunter, you already ate plenty fel |
| 08:40.21 | VIad | the DH are the only once immune to it. in the 7.5 raid the DH are trying to free people from the fel control, everyone else is controlled by the legion and they think they are the good guys, but they arent ofc. so the DH need to be quick or it is a wipe. |
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| 08:41.52 | VIad | that would be so fun - bring back MC mechanics |
| 08:42.02 | VIad | this time you make like half the raid fight the other half the raid :d |
| 08:42.19 | VIad | maybe not MC directly, but like one side has to do some thing, andthe other tries to free them |
| 08:42.37 | VIad | if you wipe the hostile side is MCed to kill the non hostile side :p |
| 08:43.00 | VIad | like the hostile guys have to do some mechanics that are bad, but not as bad as not doing it and getting MCed quicker :p |
| 08:43.15 | VIad | also wtb platforming boss encounter :p |
| 08:43.25 | VIad | I think we are mature enough to master the platform jumping |
| 08:43.45 | VIad | some dark soul esque fights would be fun too |
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| 08:59.53 | Semlar | ENCOUNTER_LOOT does not appear to fire from opening the thing |
| 09:00.25 | Semlar | LOOT_OPENED does, but i don't know if i really want to hook that |
| 09:00.59 | Semlar | it's the simplest way to fix this right now though |
| 09:01.04 | nebula | it's ENCOUNTER_LOOT_RECIEVED |
| 09:01.44 | Semlar | only when actually looting one of the items? |
| 09:01.55 | nebula | probably |
| 09:02.19 | Semlar | that's not even on wowprogramming |
| 09:02.44 | nebula | well, sp, ENCOUNTER_LOOT_RECEIVED |
| 09:03.16 | nebula | i made a note of it when i first saw it, but i apparently deleted it |
| 09:04.52 | Semlar | doesn't look like it has an encounter ID |
| 09:05.20 | Semlar | i think i'm just going to go with LOOT_OPENED and check the loot source for the object's ID |
| 09:06.56 | Semlar | alright i've gotten strand of the ancients 3 times in a row |
| 09:07.09 | nebula | bl that peice of shit |
| 09:07.23 | Semlar | i can't, i already have AV and isle of conquest blacklisted |
| 09:07.34 | nebula | strand and av for me |
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| 09:13.33 | Semlar | you wouldn't think AV would be able to find 80 people to queue up for it |
| 09:13.44 | Semlar | that's probably why it keeps unchecking itself |
| 09:15.08 | ls- | damn... today I accidentally DE'd my TF shoulders T_T had to buy OH again, shit... |
| 09:18.31 | Semlar | you can restore items through a web form |
| 09:18.49 | ls- | even DE'd? o_O |
| 09:18.52 | Semlar | yep |
| 09:19.06 | Semlar | as long as you have whatever it disenchanted into for them to take away |
| 09:19.06 | ls- | noice, ty <3 |
| 09:19.22 | Semlar | you can do it like once a month or something |
| 09:19.36 | Semlar | i don't remember where the form is, but should come up in a google search |
| 09:19.38 | ls- | I've never used it, so not a problem :p |
| 09:20.03 | Semlar | https://us.battle.net/support/en/restoration |
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| 09:22.12 | ls- | yeah, found it, you can do it via in-game help thingy :p |
| 09:22.51 | ls- | I though I could restore only sold and/or deleted items :p |
| 09:23.05 | ls- | didn't know about DE part :D |
| 09:26.01 | ls- | done, ty again >:D |
| 09:29.57 | ls- | not done... T_T now I have to wait 15 days, cuz I restored wrong shoulders, fml... |
| 09:30.03 | ls- | is retarded |
| 09:30.11 | Shockah|Work | lol |
| 09:31.07 | ls- | hopefully I'll get better shoulders by that time... |
| 09:32.13 | ls- | or not... 875 is kinda high T_T shit... |
| 09:32.21 | VIad | ls-: LOOOOOL |
| 09:32.45 | Semlar | open a ticket |
| 09:32.50 | Semlar | how are you so bad at this |
| 09:32.54 | VIad | yeah man |
| 09:33.00 | VIad | stop being bad, git gud |
| 09:33.08 | Semlar | how did you even disenchant your shoulders |
| 09:33.16 | VIad | how did you even restore wrong once? |
| 09:33.16 | ls- | easily... |
| 09:33.17 | Semlar | i assume they were equipped |
| 09:33.25 | ls- | nah, in my bag... |
| 09:33.30 | Semlar | why is your best gear in your bag |
| 09:33.54 | ls- | I unequipped them yesterday for some code testing... and didn't equip them again... |
| 09:34.01 | VIad | my routine is to DE shit at the end of the raiding when I clean all my bags and AMR simulate shit and such, so I know I have the gear I need in itemsets and ready so when I DE I see if the item is in a set or not :p |
| 09:34.06 | ls- | so I was DEing gear in the morning... |
| 09:34.23 | VIad | can recomment to use item sets :) |
| 09:34.24 | ls- | and ofc I DE'd shoulders too... but then I realised that I had no shoulders equipped :p |
| 09:34.35 | Semlar | you didn't notice that they were 875? |
| 09:34.49 | VIad | 875 only equipping 895 titanforged baby |
| 09:34.49 | ls- | ofc.. when I DE I don't care... |
| 09:34.52 | Semlar | get pawn, that wouldn't have even been possible |
| 09:34.53 | ls- | I DE a lot of TF gear |
| 09:35.21 | VIad | look on the bright side. you will now check the gear 5 times before DE every single item in the future :p |
| 09:35.47 | Semlar | i mean, he just restored the wrong item |
| 09:35.56 | VIad | true true |
| 09:36.00 | VIad | maybe there is no hope for him? |
| 09:36.04 | ls- | as for restoring.. it doesn't show right tooltip T_T |
| 09:36.15 | VIad | you can restore as much as you want at once |
| 09:36.16 | ls- | it shows a tooltip for original item T_T |
| 09:36.23 | VIad | so you can restore like everything the last 2 days :p |
| 09:36.42 | ls- | I restored few... but there're too many.. and I guessed wrong :( |
| 09:36.48 | VIad | :( |
| 09:37.07 | VIad | that is the problem when you show item tooltips only based on itemID and not the bonus IDs and shit :p |
| 09:37.19 | Semlar | does their website seriously not show the actual items you have |
| 09:37.22 | VIad | back then they had one itemID per item so probably thought it was good enough |
| 09:37.35 | Semlar | it's not like their armory doesn't support them |
| 09:37.46 | ls- | it does show correct item colour though :p |
| 09:39.20 | VIad | ye the tips dont use bonusIDs |
| 09:39.25 | VIad | the icons dont even appear |
| 09:39.30 | ls- | ^ |
| 09:40.23 | ls- | anyways, I'll either restore them in 15 days, or get better ones :p |
| 09:40.30 | ls- | not a biggie... |
| 09:40.31 | ls- | sorta.. |
| 09:41.00 | VIad | they query the armory like https://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/134285/tooltip?s=1&cc=36 but notice lack of bonusIDs :p |
| 09:41.38 | VIad | the page colors is epic (was like warforged 840 shit) but 835 in tooltips and such and thats blue |
| 09:41.57 | VIad | also think the images are blocked because https/http query |
| 09:42.22 | VIad | yeah it dont wanna load insecure image from http since the restore page is on https :p |
| 09:42.46 | VIad | media.blizzard.com doesn't support https ^^ |
| 09:43.05 | VIad | ls-: the item level is correct though |
| 09:43.07 | VIad | on the table :p |
| 09:43.24 | VIad | no wait it's not, the tooltip is more correct |
| 09:43.49 | VIad | 600 ilvl on the headless horseman plate head drop :p but tooltip says 810 thats right (but wouldnt be if it was warforged/titanforged bonusIDs) |
| 09:44.11 | VIad | at least the color is right and date stamp :p lol |
| 09:44.19 | ls- | it's so weird :D |
| 09:45.00 | VIad | this is sad |
| 09:45.05 | ls- | yeah... |
| 09:45.07 | VIad | like hundreds of rabbit foot trinkets :P |
| 09:46.09 | VIad | wish you could like gather 10 of the same WQ item and merge them to a titanforged one :p |
| 09:46.44 | VIad | like, buy some item binding codex for 1000g and just happen to do WQ over and over again that gives the same item, then you can bind them together and get like one titanforged item of random titanforge proc amount :p |
| 09:47.09 | VIad | "but thats too OP" well it would take many weeks to get that many of the same item anyway so not that big of a deal :p |
| 09:47.16 | ls- | we need something like Kanai's Cube in WoW to counter RNGesus |
| 09:47.42 | VIad | people say bring back reforging so those +15 ilvl items don't feel like a waste when they have like NONE of your secondary stats :p |
| 09:47.58 | VIad | so you can at least adjust it a little bit and still feel like you got an upgrade that day |
| 09:48.14 | VIad | kanai cube in wow, unsure how that works without breaking shit |
| 09:48.18 | VIad | maybe legendary item passives? |
| 09:48.35 | VIad | like pick 2 passives of your discovered legendaries maybe but have the option to equip other items on the slots on you |
| 09:48.39 | ls- | I said something like :p not exact copy of it |
| 09:49.01 | VIad | maybe when you get all your class legendaries you get access to some kanai cube thing ;p |
| 09:49.18 | ls- | its item reroll and item upgrade features might be quite useful :p |
| 09:49.20 | VIad | destroys all the legendaries but lets you pick up to 3 passive buffs from them :o |
| 09:49.28 | VIad | ah yeah |
| 09:49.47 | ls- | ofc it won't be as cheap as it's in d3 :p |
| 09:49.48 | VIad | place legendary item + item of choice and reroll the item of choice :D |
| 09:49.53 | VIad | legendary item is destroyed |
| 09:50.00 | ls- | :D |
| 09:50.02 | VIad | :D |
| 09:50.13 | ls- | then report to blizzard.. |
| 09:50.20 | VIad | item restoration mate |
| 09:50.27 | ls- | and they'll say that it's a typo in description :p |
| 09:50.58 | VIad | item restore should work if you trade item to someone else too |
| 09:50.59 | VIad | :P |
| 09:51.09 | VIad | the "I regret the decision" button |
| 09:51.27 | VIad | you wake up in the morning and realize you shouldn't have done that |
| 09:52.02 | ls- | and you hit "accuse of rape" button, cuz you're a strong independent woman :p |
| 09:52.17 | VIad | :p |
| 09:53.44 | VIad | I occasionally see casino spam ingame |
| 09:53.58 | VIad | I bet if you trade your gold you will never see it again LOL |
| 09:55.40 | ls- | and I just craft cards of omens T_T I guess all my luck is wasted on them, cuz I get a shitton of 3-6k epic cards :p |
| 09:55.41 | nebula | i made most of my money in wod from gambling in raid |
| 09:56.03 | nebula | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.45 | ls- | rolled 42433 |
| 09:57.44 | nebula | 51946 |
| 09:57.47 | nebula | pay up! |
| 09:59.13 | VIad | guild is one thing |
| 09:59.18 | VIad | but strangers in trade :p |
| 09:59.35 | VIad | you know how PUG trading gear works right? |
| 09:59.48 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.04 | VIad | if you win the item with a 50 roll you need to pay 50k for it :p |
| 10:00.24 | nebula | sounds dumb |
| 10:00.34 | ls- | good that I'm not into gambling :p |
| 10:00.35 | VIad | sounds profitable for pugging when you dont need the drop but can trade it ;d |
| 10:00.42 | VIad | PL system man |
| 10:00.56 | ls- | although Asians are quite addicted to it :p |
| 10:01.18 | Semlar | wait, if you loot one item out of the table it just mails you everything? |
| 10:01.33 | Semlar | it doesn't leave it in the table |
| 10:01.55 | VIad | what table? |
| 10:02.05 | Semlar | nomi's table |
| 10:02.07 | VIad | oh |
| 10:02.10 | Semlar | you can't partially loot the work orders |
| 10:02.10 | VIad | probably yes |
| 10:02.28 | Semlar | if you loot anything it mails you the rest |
| 10:02.33 | nebula | you close it and it's cleared, yea |
| 10:02.34 | VIad | yeah sounds about right |
| 10:02.53 | VIad | it sadly doesn't function like a storage box from skyrim :p |
| 10:06.26 | VIad | tbh I probably wont stress with nomi. not like you need to get all the discoveries. I got my vers/mast food ready of the 300 stat kind and I am fine :p |
| 10:18.10 | ls- | people are selling gear in LFR for 5-10kg/piece :D lol |
| 10:18.43 | VIad | ugh. this guy from the states, he did something to his account some days ago that made all his e-mails go to my mail, so I contacted his ISP (webmail service) and when I got a mail about some tennis practice I sent the guy a mail to tell this guy about this spam I am getting :P now it got fixed and I sent the guy a mail to thank him for fixing it on his end so quickly and he hasn't replied. such douche. doesn't internet. |
| 10:18.51 | VIad | ls-: thats sad :/ |
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| 10:19.34 | VIad | I got like 5 e-mails about someone looking up my e-mail at www.emailsherlock.com >_> |
| 10:19.44 | VIad | ofc it is that guy that thinks I hacked him or some shit |
| 10:19.51 | VIad | obviously he messed up his forwarding ruleset :P |
| 10:22.17 | VIad | but the experience was quite horrible. imagine if someone sets your mail as their forward address and now you get ALL their spam too ,_, |
| 10:22.40 | VIad | just blocking it is like the worst fix for this, still a lot of net traffic in the background. google should add some way to like block it on SMTP level :p |
| 10:22.54 | VIad | instead of just putting mails in the trash with the rules :p |
| 10:23.18 | nebula | VIad: just forward it back |
| 10:23.20 | nebula | :O |
| 10:23.24 | VIad | xd |
| 10:23.33 | VIad | I wonder what happens then |
| 10:23.40 | nebula | mta error |
| 10:23.43 | VIad | if you make two servers forward it back to each other :p |
| 10:24.24 | VIad | how does a mta error work? never been there before :p |
| 10:24.33 | VIad | does it like detect bouncing mails and blocks you eventually? |
| 10:29.17 | Semlar | nebula: uploaded an update |
| 10:29.24 | nebula | forwarding doesn't change the email tag, so the server just counts how many times it's sent it and sends back a too many hops or some other message when some threshold is met |
| 10:29.49 | VIad | could one use it to somehow like, block the server server? |
| 10:29.51 | VIad | sender* |
| 10:29.54 | modernist | ls-: you here? |
| 10:30.11 | VIad | like if I set my forward to send my mails to you, could you reliably use this to make the originating server give up first? :p |
| 10:30.22 | VIad | so they error on the senders side, and not recipients |
| 10:30.24 | nebula | depends on if the mta does it, probably not |
| 10:30.28 | VIad | :( |
| 10:30.44 | VIad | like if someone attacks you, you have like no control to block them |
| 10:30.53 | VIad | at least not if you have access to the smtp server itself :p |
| 10:31.02 | VIad | like gmail or such |
| 10:31.22 | VIad | like in my case the only thing I could realistically do is contact the ISP, that couldn't help out and had to contact the owner :p |
| 10:31.35 | VIad | and in the meantime I am stuck getting spammed ,_, |
| 10:32.14 | VIad | like if I set a rule that all mail that I get in my spam is also forwarded to Semlar's e-mail he has like no chance to stop it except just ignore it on his end :p |
| 10:32.21 | VIad | the traffic will still occur backend and that clutters the internet |
| 10:34.34 | Semlar | don't spam me bro |
| 10:38.03 | modernist | oh i just got that old nomi bug with my order hall recruitment work order gal |
| 10:38.20 | modernist | i thought that got fixed |
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| 10:50.29 | ls- | modernist: me here :p |
| 10:54.13 | modernist | oh its too late, i think i already figured it out |
| 10:54.42 | modernist | https://gist.github.com/obble/50283ca6f1273f698bf00e092af0c3e0/revisions |
| 10:55.08 | modernist | just making a cast fade using that new .timetohold value in ouf castbar element |
| 11:21.28 | ls- | yeah, that's a nice addition, tbh, dunno why we didn't add it earlier :p |
| 11:26.01 | VIad | what is the new timetohold? |
| 11:26.32 | ls- | oUF castbar.timeToHold :p |
| 11:26.55 | VIad | thought you meant a new blizz widget feature :p |
| 11:27.03 | ls- | nah... |
| 11:29.15 | ls- | ah, finally dried some bananas, yummy :D |
| 11:30.59 | ls- | have to dry some more though.... 1kg turns into like 250-350g T_T |
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| 11:36.15 | LexSfX | pvptalent macro conditional is still broken :( |
| 11:36.22 | LexSfX | wtb fix for it |
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| 11:36.42 | LexSfX | i see it's already been reported: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53877 |
| 11:47.35 | nevcairiel | did you check 7.1 ptr |
| 11:49.00 | haste | ls-: It wasn't added because Tekkub forgot to include it and I didn't notice in my review :D |
| 11:49.10 | haste | originally the castbar code was going to be based on oCB |
| 11:49.36 | ls- | ah... makes sense then :p |
| 11:49.39 | LexSfX | 04:47:35 <nevcairiel> did you check 7.1 ptr |
| 11:49.39 | LexSfX | no |
| 11:49.51 | ls- | check it then :p |
| 11:49.52 | nevcairiel | then you now have a task ahead of you! |
| 11:50.14 | LexSfX | i'll check it when it's live |
| 11:50.20 | LexSfX | it being on the PTR doesn't help me |
| 11:50.28 | nevcairiel | why not |
| 11:50.39 | LexSfX | because my arena matches are on live |
| 11:51.18 | nevcairiel | but you could find out if its fixed, and if not renew a report on it |
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| 12:00.54 | modernist | ls-: if you add it as a core feature make it work on UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOP too :D |
| 12:01.24 | modernist | because the frame is hidden before your postupdate is run i cant fade it out on a successful cast |
| 12:01.35 | modernist | well, i could, but it seems an annoying extra bit of code |
| 12:03.31 | ls- | we sorta aim for blizzlikeness... :p and default castbar doesn't do anything at *_STOP events :p |
| 12:04.25 | ls- | and, tbh, when do UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOP and UNIT_SPELLCAST_CHANNEL_STOP even fire? O_o |
| 12:05.10 | ls- | when you cancel cast by hitting esc, eh? |
| 12:05.30 | VIad | I wonder how difficult it is to code a splice for opie :/ |
| 12:05.38 | VIad | I want to create one for engineering stuff :p |
| 12:06.02 | VIad | like instead of manually building the slice, doing it programatically based on criterias :) |
| 12:06.12 | modernist | oh i thought _STOP ran on a successful cast but i think you're right |
| 12:06.35 | modernist | in that case, make it so it fades on a successful cast — which is what the blizzard ui does |
| 12:06.45 | modernist | i assume its in the onupdate |
| 12:07.20 | modernist | https://github.com/oUF-wow/oUF/blob/d3550fa8674bfbba1fad6b9b9200b869d9e9a7dc/elements/castbar.lua#L373 |
| 12:08.19 | modernist | it also fades out on _STOP |
| 12:08.25 | modernist | in the default ui |
| 12:09.25 | haste | looks at CustomDelayText's lack of documentation |
| 12:10.47 | haste | and CustomTimeText for that matter :P |
| 12:11.23 | modernist | the OCD factor of this key change is very satisfying btw |
| 12:11.24 | modernist | https://github.com/oUF-wow/oUF/blob/d3550fa8674bfbba1fad6b9b9200b869d9e9a7dc/elements/castbar.lua#L175 |
| 12:11.54 | haste | it should really just be removed |
| 12:12.40 | haste | unless someone wants to start maintaining a list of things that should be deprecated between major versions |
| 12:13.22 | haste | could probably change to semver in the same process :D |
| 12:13.36 | haste | renames channel to oUF discussion. |
| 12:14.11 | ls- | summons p3lim |
| 12:15.34 | VIad | Semlar volunteers as tribute. |
| 12:17.16 | karl_w_w | turns VIad into a tributary |
| 12:18.16 | ls- | welp, we're going to remove deprecated stuff before 1.7.0 official release... |
| 12:18.53 | VIad | casts coup d'etat. |
| 12:19.51 | ls- | hm... |
| 12:20.36 | modernist | oh yeah one last thing |
| 12:20.36 | ls- | but, tbh, I dunno why we don't remove things right away, when we know that next release is a big bump :p |
| 12:20.40 | modernist | is this needed |
| 12:20.41 | modernist | https://github.com/oUF-wow/oUF/blob/637d2afea233ec7e6ad4a2a4eca3853133b32b5f/elements/castbar.lua#L88 |
| 12:21.06 | haste | ls-: because someone accepts PRs with such things :D |
| 12:21.45 | ls- | that's p3lim, i din do nuffin |
| 12:21.57 | modernist | fight fight fight |
| 12:22.18 | haste | modernist: only GeTime is really needed of those, but doesn't really matter much that they are there |
| 12:22.39 | modernist | yeah didnt think so, i just hate stuff sitting around unused d: |
| 12:22.49 | ls- | that code needs some _Gs :D |
| 12:23.04 | nevcairiel | your body needs some stabbing marks |
| 12:23.11 | ls- | :D |
| 12:23.32 | haste | it is used modernist |
| 12:23.47 | modernist | now im imagining a serial killer who gouges _G into people |
| 12:23.47 | ls- | but caching isn't needed... |
| 12:24.08 | VIad | his body looks like silas in the davinci code |
| 12:24.42 | modernist | "ah he left his calling card, a 3 page essay on using tabs over spaces" |
| 12:25.10 | ls- | tabs > spaces anyway... |
| 12:25.16 | modernist | dont even start |
| 12:25.32 | nevcairiel | yes, tabs are usually wider then singular spaces, i suppose one could consider that "greater" |
| 12:25.42 | VIad | tabs > spaces smaller filesizes |
| 12:26.09 | nevcairiel | no indentation or new lines = smallest file! |
| 12:26.17 | ls- | and tabs can be adjusted too... |
| 12:26.22 | modernist | write everything like a macro |
| 12:26.48 | ls- | you can set tab size to two spaces and voila |
| 12:26.51 | modernist | i like seeing the arenajunkies' guys' addons that are clearly from the school of macro |
| 12:26.52 | VIad | ls-: the reason many prefer space>tab is that space is consistent to the font in terms of sizes :p |
| 12:27.02 | VIad | so it works regardless your tab size options |
| 12:27.34 | modernist | one/two spaces for indentation just makes code unreadable |
| 12:27.36 | ls- | an it looks like shit, esp when people use 2space indentation... |
| 12:27.57 | VIad | my tabs are same as 2 spaces on my screen :p |
| 12:28.07 | modernist | i had to look through zork's code to find his fix for something and it made my brain scramble |
| 12:28.15 | ls- | tweak settings in your editor :p |
| 12:28.41 | VIad | my editor shows if the whitespace is tab or not :p |
| 12:28.44 | modernist | https://github.com/zorker/rothui/blob/master/wow7.0/rActionBar/bars.lua#L53 |
| 12:28.51 | VIad | and I hate to find some files using mixed >_> |
| 12:29.00 | ls- | I think nowadays spaces are more widely used by web devs.. |
| 12:29.21 | nevcairiel | web devs are usually all sorts of weird |
| 12:29.31 | modernist | i am a web dev :[ |
| 12:29.37 | modernist | but i use tabs |
| 12:29.37 | haste | uses both tabs, 2 spaces, 3 spaces _and_ 4 spaces depending on language! |
| 12:29.49 | nevcairiel | 3 spaces is just weird haste |
| 12:30.02 | haste | I don't remember what uses 3 spaces in their spec :D |
| 12:30.43 | ls- | uses tabs all day everyday |
| 12:31.06 | haste | think I only use tabs in Lua and Go |
| 12:31.07 | VIad | nevcairiel: my ownly recommendation for the HBD wiki page on curse is to add one line about the expected widget settings :p |
| 12:31.45 | VIad | like what parent the widget should use, or if you overwrite that parent, if the widget show/hide will be called or not (or simply detatched from the frame when hidden?) |
| 12:32.03 | nevcairiel | i suppose |
| 12:32.05 | nevcairiel | docs are hard |
| 12:32.07 | VIad | :p |
| 12:32.32 | VIad | I mean if you have NO clue how it works but you know how to make a frame and an icon, you won't know why it's not showing if you have no parent on it ^^ |
| 12:33.09 | nevcairiel | the limitations arent that complex, make it parented to worldmapbutton and don't use SetScale on it, as it would monkey with the position |
| 12:33.18 | VIad | also stuff like scale if you scale the widget will it work? it will if setpoint center, but not if you setpoint a corner ;d |
| 12:33.18 | nevcairiel | not sure there is anything more complex |
| 12:33.26 | VIad | yeah |
| 12:33.42 | VIad | and you use hide/show when added/removed from the map too? |
| 12:33.49 | VIad | or is it just unparented |
| 12:34.21 | nevcairiel | HBD doesnt change the parent at all, it just shows/hide them if they get into a visible area |
| 12:34.26 | VIad | kk, neato |
| 12:34.31 | nevcairiel | and SetPoint of course |
| 12:34.49 | VIad | yeah then shouldnt alter the scale on the widget itself |
| 12:35.54 | nevcairiel | both use CENTER positioning, scale might evne work, but i forget the exact interactions |
| 12:36.33 | VIad | I'd probably use a child element to move it around or scale if I wanted to make sure I didnt ruin the handling :p |
| 12:36.34 | nevcairiel | should look it up or test it and then write it down in the HBD docs |
| 12:36.57 | VIad | the new frame api regarding hiding children overflowing seems nice |
| 12:37.09 | VIad | think it comes in 7.1 |
| 12:37.13 | nevcairiel | it does |
| 12:37.29 | nevcairiel | its not that super magic though, could do the same with a scrollframe, just avoids that headache |
| 12:37.31 | VIad | can start making viewports :p |
| 12:37.40 | VIad | yes ofc, its the damn scrollframe stuff we can avoid now |
| 12:39.03 | VIad | I wonder performance wise how it will be :p |
| 12:39.06 | VIad | contra a scrollfra |
| 12:39.15 | VIad | imagine if you build the world using minimap textures |
| 12:39.16 | NuSuey | lol that guy https://youtu.be/X4dG3BrQaSI?t=95 ..so many wow references :D |
| 12:39.29 | ls- | damn, need something sweet and sugary.... |
| 12:39.39 | ls- | something like green tea kitkat |
| 12:39.48 | ls- | #justasianthings |
| 12:40.59 | VIad | yes, kitkat and tea, typical asian |
| 12:41.12 | ls- | nah |
| 12:41.17 | ls- | I meant grean tea kit kat |
| 12:41.22 | ls- | the flavour |
| 12:41.28 | VIad | lol didn't know it existed :p |
| 12:41.32 | ls- | green* |
| 12:41.48 | ls- | dunno why I wrote grean, kek... |
| 12:41.58 | VIad | in norway products are too sterile, there is like a serious lack of variation compared to other places inthe world |
| 12:42.24 | VIad | like you have the classic type of variations, coke, cheery, strawberry, lime, orange, vanilla, then it kind of ends :p |
| 12:42.38 | ls- | Grean is a word in Thai though... |
| 12:42.39 | VIad | maybe some few more but nothing special like Green tea tasting coke :p |
| 12:43.51 | ls- | do you have peanut butter kit kat? O_o |
| 12:44.16 | ls- | or almond snickers? |
| 12:44.43 | ls- | at least you have toblerone :p |
| 12:51.13 | ls- | VIad: in China we have pea ice cream, not an ice cream w/ some pieces of pea, but made of peas :p |
| 12:52.02 | modernist | that sounds weirdly pleasant |
| 12:52.12 | ls- | it's ultra cheap and mega popular :p |
| 12:52.20 | modernist | also like it might give you killer bad breath though |
| 12:52.34 | ls- | gum? O_o |
| 12:52.54 | ls- | or eat some tofu, dunno... |
| 12:53.19 | ls- | that ice cream is sweet though, and tastes nicely :p |
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| 12:57.19 | VIad | I want ice cream with beef jerky taste |
| 12:58.51 | ls- | ask Americans... I bet they have something like that... |
| 12:59.03 | VIad | I know they got deep fried butter :p |
| 12:59.06 | VIad | on a stick |
| 12:59.30 | ls- | heard of it... |
| 13:00.00 | VIad | butter coated in batter then deep fried xd |
| 13:00.47 | ls- | heh, I do it butter in form of butterbrot, 2:1 bread to butter ratio :p but deep fried butter sounds weird even to me... |
| 13:00.48 | VIad | fried coke |
| 13:01.12 | VIad | frozen coke flavored batter, dep fried and topped with coke syrup, whipped cream, cinnamon sugar and cherry |
| 13:01.25 | VIad | 830 calories per cup |
| 13:01.36 | VIad | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_Coke |
| 13:01.37 | ls- | O_o |
| 13:02.29 | ls- | a cup of diabetes :p |
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| 13:20.15 | ls- | VIad: https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2alzhelxcn5hbn/File%202016-10-20%2C%208%2018%2008%20PM.jpeg?dl=0 :p |
| 13:30.23 | Semlar | oh good, when you talk to nomi and he does that thing where he doesn't actually open the work order window my addon thinks you have no work orders |
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| 13:34.34 | Semlar | it looks like the reason it doesn't open the window is because it has no idea that you're supposed to be getting shipment information |
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| 13:41.04 | Thunder_Child | it being your addon or nomi? |
| 13:43.33 | Semlar | the client |
| 13:43.38 | Semlar | is bugged |
| 13:44.52 | Semlar | quite often when you click one of his dialog options, you get no work order window and the only way to fix it is to walk away from him to end interaction and talk to him again |
| 13:45.16 | Semlar | when that happens none of the shipment api functions work either |
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| 13:52.49 | Thunder_Child | I don't ever remember that happening in the garrison. Although all the interactions were instanced. |
| 13:54.28 | Semlar | you don't remember not being able to talk to the naval table? |
| 13:54.59 | Thunder_Child | No, but then the first time I ever did the naval table was ~1 month before Legion. |
| 13:56.28 | Semlar | alright well i think i can detect this and automatically end interaction with nomi so you don't have to walk away from him to do it |
| 13:58.07 | znf | Warden Tower captains no longer have a limit on the number of eligible players who can simultaneously tap them. |
| 13:58.10 | znf | only took 2 months |
| 13:58.11 | Semlar | this happens so often with nomi that it's making it quite easy to test |
| 14:04.30 | p3lim | haste: I suggested some stuff about criteria for versioning on the super duper secret forums of ours, one of those were deprecation |
| 14:04.33 | p3lim | ls-: pong |
| 14:05.29 | haste | I heard nothing of this forum until now :P |
| 14:05.36 | ls- | and I was the only one who replied in that thread :p RR is ignoring us T_T |
| 14:11.43 | karl_w_w | trying to use those nintendo switch controllers when they aren't connect to anything looks painful |
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| 15:48.07 | Stanzilla | [TOM_RUS]: didnt you want something like that? https://wow.curseforge.com/addons/premade-groups-filter/ |
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| 15:50.50 | modernis_ | oh that looks interesting |
| 15:52.46 | Seeker | That looks good, especially the advanced search thing (which looks like it might be what I as asking about yesterday) |
| 15:53.05 | nevcairiel | unfortunately anything beyond a simple search is client side, so you are still capped to 50 results or so |
| 15:53.12 | nevcairiel | or what was the limit now |
| 16:30.48 | VIad | tank in pvp is just a huge joke |
| 16:30.57 | VIad | I hope the pvp designer team dies of aids |
| 16:31.05 | VIad | or anal cactus penetration |
| 16:32.05 | VIad | pvp is not skill, it's purely pvp gear dependent now :p |
| 16:32.18 | VIad | the divide between pvp and pve is larger than ever |
| 16:32.30 | VIad | if I go in as tank, my mitigation doesnt even work at all vs melee as tank |
| 16:32.42 | VIad | and my self heals are absent |
| 16:32.52 | VIad | its like a joke about the holocaust, a really bad one |
| 16:46.26 | mckenziemc | you mean like that one? |
| 17:06.33 | kullervo | VIad: we have a completely different experience |
| 17:06.38 | kullervo | I feel like an immortal demigod as a tank in pvp |
| 17:07.13 | VIad | in battlegrounds I am so weak, my mitigation is shit, my self heals are absent |
| 17:07.24 | VIad | in world pvp it's much easier because no pvp template shit :p |
| 17:09.06 | znf | <kullervo> VIad: we have a completely different experience |
| 17:09.06 | znf | +1 |
| 17:09.10 | znf | can't kill a tank |
| 17:21.32 | Thunder_Child | VIad: what are you? |
| 17:21.37 | VIad | DH tank |
| 17:21.45 | Thunder_Child | Yea, that's what I thought. |
| 17:22.35 | Thunder_Child | I think it's mostly about the lack of self heals since I hear that DH mitigation is shit even in PVE. |
| 17:22.37 | VIad | can solo tank and survive mythic bosses but no a rogue :/ |
| 17:24.57 | Thunder_Child | I suspect that first priority is balancing the DH's around PvE. PvP would be secondary. |
| 17:26.31 | VIad | they have a PVP TEAM |
| 17:26.33 | VIad | this expansion |
| 17:26.38 | VIad | with their own personal templates |
| 17:26.42 | VIad | do a better job ffs |
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| 17:34.33 | ls- | p3lim, fml, I wiped my group in dung, while I was writing to you guys on the forum :D |
| 17:34.46 | ls- | I'm a really really responsible tank, yeah... |
| 17:34.59 | p3lim | thanks, that made me feel better |
| 17:35.23 | ls- | :D |
| 17:36.40 | ls- | k, we killed odyn :p |
| 17:37.53 | ls- | I'm getting better and better at tank + shitposting simultaneously :p |
| 17:39.37 | ls- | tbf, I'm not really proud of having such skill... T_T |
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| 17:41.27 | Industrial | Hi. |
| 17:41.40 | ls- | I guess I'm the guy on drugs in our oUF bunch, lol... |
| 17:41.41 | ls- | hi |
| 17:41.44 | Industrial | Is there an alternative for WeDontWipe? I can't seem to get it configured and it's missing some classes I enjoy playing. |
| 17:42.15 | Industrial | An addon that shows you the current "best move/spell" under the current circumstances, in order to maximize DPS. |
| 17:45.17 | foxlit | what's the holy paladin opinion on the last court boss? |
| 17:46.09 | foxlit | randomly pug healers seem to be doing rather pitifully, but it's a small sample size and I can't tell whether it's a healer thing or a dps thing. |
| 17:57.13 | modernis_ | god i forgot about this 40+ mmo-c thread where every minor model imperfection of the troll model, and only the troll model, is obsessively catalogued |
| 17:59.07 | Industrial | So there are currently no DPS rotation addons in existence? |
| 18:00.14 | modernis_ | Constie uses one i think? some kind of cooldown line thing |
| 18:00.18 | p3lim | Industrial: probably is, just not aware of any |
| 18:00.36 | p3lim | I just learn the class I play instead of relying on addons to tell me what to do |
| 18:01.09 | p3lim | got my first legendary |
| 18:01.11 | p3lim | https://i.p3lim.net/161020-200100.png |
| 18:01.15 | p3lim | -_- |
| 18:01.25 | modernist | ahah |
| 18:01.57 | bshelden | Phat lewts there... |
| 18:01.57 | modernist | our guild shadow priest got the crit necklace and its made his dps worse by ~20k |
| 18:02.05 | Ressy | lol |
| 18:02.27 | bshelden | I'm pretty much convinced that the legendaries are a bad thing. Hope this is the only time they try this stunt. |
| 18:08.27 | Constie | I feel like if there's a problem it's with player expectations. |
| 18:09.21 | Constie | But then I think that about a lot of things that end up getting changed. |
| 18:09.24 | modernist | isnt that the case with most things though |
| 18:10.59 | Constie | And I just use a regular cooldown+DoT timer, but I think Ovale is one, Industrial: https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/ovale |
| 18:11.03 | Constie | I've never used it, though. |
| 18:16.18 | Industrial | Constie: ty |
| 18:26.44 | foxlit | VIad: I wonder how difficult it is to code a splice for opie :/ << It is not difficult, but the documentation is only available on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard.' |
| 18:27.13 | VIad | foxlit: I was thinking to look at spade :p |
| 18:27.32 | VIad | and see how you did it - found you use some libs that come with opie so I can make a plugin with opie dep. on it and borrow your code |
| 18:27.49 | VIad | I mean you made libs so I guess its supposed to be possible but didnt care to write docs? |
| 18:29.58 | Thunder_Child | His excuse is, if blizz doesn't do it, neither will he. |
| 18:30.11 | mckenziemc | blizzard and so many others |
| 18:32.11 | foxlit | I came to the conclusion that the audience for those docs was close to 0, so there wasn't much point. |
| 18:32.53 | mckenziemc | self-fulfilling prophecy, to some degree |
| 18:33.04 | mckenziemc | but that's how it is |
| 18:34.43 | foxlit | (the predecessor^3 api was documented, but not really used either) |
| 18:35.16 | foxlit | VIad: foxlit: I was thinking to look at spade :p << spade does something subtly different: it assembles a ring out of built-in slice types, which may or may not be what you want. |
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| 18:55.16 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: I didn't even realize there's legendary follower items |
| 18:57.15 | zenzelezz | libreoffice... why do you need me to close Chrome and Steam (client web helper) to install... |
| 18:57.36 | ls- | hory shet, poor p3lim T_T |
| 19:02.25 | foxlit | zenzelezz: to make sure no one can hear you scream. |
| 19:05.01 | bshelden | Constie: Player expectations are indeed what's wrong with them. But Blizzard is in part responsible for that. It's not like we're responding randomly here. |
| 19:05.27 | bshelden | At this point I'm convinced they contribute more negatively than positively. They're too (apparently) important to be this rare. |
| 19:05.49 | bshelden | A player stresses about not having one, then is disappointed when they get the 'wrong' one. |
| 19:06.19 | nevcairiel | these are imaginary problems |
| 19:06.29 | bshelden | The whole game is imaginary |
| 19:06.49 | nevcairiel | any rare prestigous item would cause the same reaction, should we not have any of them anymore? |
| 19:06.50 | bshelden | So while I don't disagree that the problem is imaginary, I do disagree and state that the problem is important in the context of enjoyment of the game |
| 19:06.51 | nevcairiel | bland game is bland |
| 19:07.11 | bshelden | We should not have any rare prestigous items that affect performance unless it's rarity by difficulty. |
| 19:07.29 | nevcairiel | it kinda is |
| 19:07.39 | nevcairiel | more difficult content has much higher chances of dropping them |
| 19:07.57 | nevcairiel | mythic raiding guilds will likely consistently have a bunch |
| 19:08.08 | bshelden | There's no difficulty involved. It's a slot machine. You can tweak the odds, but someone running WQ's and low level content can get one while the dedicated +10 player doesn't. |
| 19:09.27 | nevcairiel | i like the system, it actually gives you a random "wow" moment, if players whine and bitch about not having any, thats their problem |
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| 19:09.49 | bshelden | shrugs |
| 19:09.51 | bshelden | We disagree |
| 19:09.57 | bshelden | But it detracts from my enjoyment. |
| 19:10.04 | bshelden | I won't get a 'wow' moment, I'll get a relief moment. |
| 19:10.33 | nevcairiel | maybe you should have not build up such an expectation then |
| 19:10.46 | bshelden | Or I could play a game without that feature. |
| 19:10.58 | nevcairiel | sure, have fun with that |
| 19:11.01 | bshelden | I do |
| 19:11.29 | ls- | people will easily find another feature to whine about then... |
| 19:11.33 | nevcairiel | the problem is people expecting to have everything thrown at them in a few weeks time |
| 19:11.44 | nevcairiel | which is not the design of the system at all |
| 19:12.03 | bshelden | I don't want them thrown at me. I'd rather they didn't exist (or existed as Mytic+/Mythic Raid drops only) |
| 19:12.18 | ls- | oh... |
| 19:12.46 | ls- | haven't you seen that thread "not being able to complete quests in LFR is bullshit?" :p |
| 19:12.57 | bshelden | I saw that. I just giggle. It's a cosmetic. |
| 19:13.17 | bshelden | I'm very much in favour of cosmetics gated by increasing difficulty. |
| 19:13.32 | bshelden | And I speak as a player who will never see a mythic raid. |
| 19:13.39 | ls- | don't forget wod lfr then, when Ts were removed... |
| 19:13.52 | bshelden | 'Ts'? |
| 19:13.58 | ls- | tier sets :p |
| 19:14.01 | bshelden | mmm |
| 19:14.13 | bshelden | Don't care about that either. The gear dropped was appropriate for the content. |
| 19:14.30 | bshelden | I don't 'deserve' the top tier stuff. I don't 'deserve' set bonuses. |
| 19:14.32 | ls- | but it didn't stop people from bitching about it :p |
| 19:14.34 | bshelden | I'm not doing that content/. |
| 19:14.41 | bshelden | My complaint here is with the slot machine. |
| 19:14.45 | foxlit | You don't deserve to wear that uniform. |
| 19:14.58 | ls- | so that the problem w/ your "or existed as Mytic+/Mythic Raid drops only" statement :p |
| 19:15.04 | bshelden | Keep meaningful rewards skill based. |
| 19:15.25 | bshelden | Nothing will stop people from bitching. Literally nothing can lead to that. |
| 19:15.44 | ls- | like majority of player base thinks that they're the shit... |
| 19:15.50 | nevcairiel | if you are not even doing that content, why do you even care |
| 19:15.59 | nevcairiel | its not like it m atters |
| 19:16.03 | bshelden | The majority of those bitching think they speak for the majority of the playerbase... |
| 19:16.29 | bshelden | I'm bothered when the player next to me with the same commitment and skill out-performs me a good deal due to luck. |
| 19:16.37 | bshelden | Make it skill based, and I'm not bothered. |
| 19:16.56 | bshelden | And at my tier (normal raids, M+4), those things matter a good deal. |
| 19:16.57 | ls- | that's "the problem", bitching is eternal, blizz can't win, everything is failure and wow is dead... |
| 19:16.57 | nevcairiel | and why does the performance of others affect your fun? |
| 19:17.30 | bshelden | I lose the benchmark. I have no way to rate my performance when there are luck based outliers. |
| 19:17.35 | nevcairiel | you dont exactly do challenging content |
| 19:17.43 | nevcairiel | where max performance would really matter |
| 19:18.09 | bshelden | I do do challenging content. To us. |
| 19:18.42 | bshelden | So that improvement matters. |
| 19:18.50 | bshelden | And the largest single boost to it is hiding behind a slot machine. |
| 19:19.21 | foxlit | all your gear is hiding behind slot machines. |
| 19:19.35 | nevcairiel | its not really much stronger then singular trinkets or what have you |
| 19:19.43 | ls- | you should have tried playing fire mage in cata, due to pure luck or lack of it, proc RNGesus, you could either be a god, or suck a dick :p |
| 19:19.49 | bshelden | foxlit: There's a huge difference in odds here. And that's the important part of the statement |
| 19:20.49 | nevcairiel | the key point is that content is balanced around not having legendaries, so you should view them as bonus not mandatory, but peoples minds are unchangeable, apparently, must have or stop playing |
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| 19:21.33 | bshelden | Yeah, I can't see them as bonuses. Only tools to reach the goal. Gear isn't really a reward to me. |
| 19:21.57 | ls- | don't forget "LFM EN N 870+, 2legs, link curve or gtfo" :p |
| 19:21.58 | bshelden | Appearances/mounts/costmetics, those are bonuses. Things I need to do my job are tools. |
| 19:22.09 | nevcairiel | but you dont need them |
| 19:22.14 | bshelden | Heh, I simply don't touch the LFG tool because of crap like that. |
| 19:22.31 | bshelden | I'd hate the game in less than a week if I had to deal with that toxic thing. |
| 19:23.03 | ls- | "start your own group"(c) |
| 19:23.18 | bshelden | Pretty much. And I do. |
| 19:23.25 | bshelden | And I don't invite people from that pool. |
| 19:23.25 | ls- | good |
| 19:25.00 | znf | I'd start my own group for M+ |
| 19:25.06 | znf | But Blizzard decided I get one keystone/week |
| 19:25.23 | znf | Also, I don't trust strangers on my M+ key |
| 19:25.38 | nevcairiel | you have no friends |
| 19:25.58 | znf | Risk of getting a tard from the premade finder which decides to leave after 1st boss is too high |
| 19:26.03 | znf | ofc I don't have friends! |
| 19:26.19 | Seeker | znf: which region are you in? |
| 19:26.27 | znf | Seeker, EU |
| 19:26.30 | foxlit | I pug m+ almost exclusively, nobody ever left. |
| 19:26.37 | Seeker | get other EU people from here? |
| 19:26.38 | znf | foxlit, aren't you a tank? |
| 19:26.49 | Seeker | They may not be good, but at least you know where to yell at them when they screw it up |
| 19:26.58 | znf | also, what pisses me off today: http://i.imgur.com/9jqKMfs.png |
| 19:27.02 | znf | this fucking quest is aids |
| 19:27.20 | Seeker | yeah, I skip that one |
| 19:27.24 | foxlit | healer/tank, depending on what the lfg thing wants. |
| 19:27.36 | Seeker | What pisses me off today: Peoplpe that can't soak the right charge on ursoc hc |
| 19:27.40 | znf | foxlit, it's usually the tank/healer getting into an argument |
| 19:27.45 | ls- | omg... I love this quote from wow forum "They are not licensed medical professionals and cannot fix all these people with social anxiety disorders." :D |
| 19:28.00 | foxlit | wait, why? |
| 19:28.10 | znf | I have no idea, really |
| 19:28.19 | znf | Tank pulls too fast, healer can't keep up |
| 19:28.24 | Gnarfoz | Seeker: hah, also doing that just now |
| 19:28.28 | znf | It's not an isolated case |
| 19:28.38 | relaxok | ls-: are you playing fire right now? |
| 19:28.39 | Seeker | Because one of them gets something wrong, and doesn't want to admit it, so they blame the other |
| 19:28.53 | foxlit | I thought we agreed to always blame the dps regardless of what happens? |
| 19:28.56 | Seeker | Gnarfoz: Through LFG? |
| 19:29.09 | ls- | relaxok: sure |
| 19:29.17 | relaxok | if you try to get a group in premades they're all named 'LFM my key, your carry! |
| 19:29.21 | relaxok | lol |
| 19:29.31 | Gnarfoz | Seeker: no? HC. why would that matter on LFR ^^ |
| 19:29.37 | Seeker | LFG not LFR |
| 19:29.42 | Gnarfoz | ah, PUG |
| 19:29.57 | relaxok | ls-: i would think that's a yes or no question |
| 19:30.25 | ls- | relaxok: you thought wrong :p |
| 19:31.15 | ls- | tbh, the only time I respec'd from fire into something else was in wod :p |
| 19:31.27 | ls- | wod was frost expansion for me :p |
| 19:31.39 | znf | relaxok, well, that's what I would do, too |
| 19:31.59 | znf | if you try to pug each invidivual person, you risk too much getting retards |
| 19:32.11 | znf | if you find a stable group, there's less chance of one of them bailing on you |
| 19:32.56 | znf | ...who decided to make AoE trinkets affect Yellow/Neutral mobs? :-| |
| 19:33.40 | Seeker | Gnarfoz: another wipe... |
| 19:33.52 | Gnarfoz | Seeker: same! :D |
| 19:34.07 | nevcairiel | not killed yet Gnarfoz? |
| 19:34.19 | Gnarfoz | nah, our friends & family raid is just... that |
| 19:34.25 | Seeker | Gnarfoz: You're not doing it with a guild on Sylvanas by any chance? |
| 19:34.30 | nevcairiel | no proper raid anymore? |
| 19:35.03 | znf | he's filthy alliance |
| 19:35.05 | Gnarfoz | no, we downgraded to hc maximum |
| 19:35.10 | znf | oh, hc? meh |
| 19:35.17 | Gnarfoz | Seeker: (Blackmoore EU) |
| 19:35.19 | nevcairiel | thats what we do, but still managed to clear it |
| 19:35.35 | znf | VIad, btw, KNP by default shows up the stun/cc auras of other people |
| 19:35.38 | Seeker | Gnarfoz: I meant who were you with in the pug |
| 19:35.38 | nevcairiel | our raid isnt exactly hardcore |
| 19:35.41 | Gnarfoz | yeah, we are clear, too |
| 19:35.47 | VIad | znf: thats good |
| 19:35.48 | znf | VIad, I noticed that on my druid |
| 19:36.07 | Seeker | Ah, noone from blackmoore in the pug I was in. I got kicked. |
| 19:36.21 | nevcairiel | he is in a guild group, not pug :d |
| 19:36.26 | Seeker | ah, ok |
| 19:36.40 | znf | I have to mentally prepare to pug hc too tonight |
| 19:37.14 | Seeker | I was in a mostly guild group, got kicked. RL was raging that people screwing up would get kicked. Tanks died multiple times two attempts in a row. I asked if that meant the tanks were going to get kicked for screwing it up. |
| 19:37.47 | Seeker | Seems a little inconsistent imo |
| 19:38.24 | foxlit | raging RLs fail at leading. |
| 19:38.53 | foxlit | or is it failing RLs rage? |
| 19:38.55 | znf | I tried pugging Mythic last week |
| 19:39.10 | znf | We took it to ~30% (first boss) |
| 19:39.15 | znf | Wasn't half as bad as I tought it would be |
| 19:39.19 | Seeker | foxlit: RL wasn't failing too much. It was people in his guild that were failign though |
| 19:39.54 | relaxok | Illidan-US is just insane, there are 115 guilds that are at least 7/7 H 1/7 M |
| 19:40.04 | Gnarfoz | Seeker: I'm not in a PUG |
| 19:40.14 | nevcairiel | znf: thats one boss where the last 30% are really the tricky part .D |
| 19:40.35 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: "we" advanced to 7/7 hc last week, but I was on vacation |
| 19:40.47 | Seeker | My guild is on 6/7hc |
| 19:40.49 | znf | nevcairiel, how so? |
| 19:41.03 | Gnarfoz | also, reproducing kills sometimes takes a while when we take the full complement of "from retards to wannabe pros" with us ^^ |
| 19:41.05 | znf | there's no berserk/enrage mechanic? |
| 19:41.09 | nevcairiel | it has berserke |
| 19:41.17 | nevcairiel | and its just one that constantly wears you down |
| 19:41.19 | znf | 1st boss? |
| 19:41.22 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 19:41.27 | Gnarfoz | if we fail to often, we'll just bench whoever sucks the most |
| 19:41.46 | Seeker | Gnarfoz: if this Pug fails and you're still on ursoc, I'll come help :P |
| 19:41.51 | znf | we had issues at around ~40% when too many people were getting MC'd in the same time |
| 19:42.16 | nevcairiel | we are really reluctant to bench people, we have a few "minimalists" that dont really improve their chars much, gear or AP wise or whatever, so we keep raising thje minimum ilvl we take to avoid them =p |
| 19:43.21 | nevcairiel | we'll try M Nythendra on sunday, wonder how that'll go |
| 19:43.38 | nevcairiel | i foresee plenty MC |
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| 19:44.17 | znf | you just need to force it :-/ |
| 19:44.35 | znf | in the first few MCs, you need to force some people that have ~5 stacks to get full stacks |
| 19:44.57 | nevcairiel | why? |
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| 19:47.17 | nevcairiel | to avoid further "accidents", i guess? |
| 19:49.36 | znf | we actually played pretty well for a pug |
| 19:50.05 | znf | but because people were consistently getting the same stack amount (they were taking no unecessary damage), they always ended up having equal amount of stacks :D |
| 19:50.28 | znf | so in 1st MC phase there was maximum of 1 person getting MC'd, then 2nd or 3rd, more than half the raid was getting MC'd |
| 19:50.33 | Seeker | http://i.imgur.com/9jqKMfs.png |
| 19:50.58 | znf | yes, fuck that quest |
| 19:53.32 | znf | They're spread over a huge area, and the mob spawns are not dense at all. Then you also need to find 4 sailors, which the tooltip never mentions. And once you're done with that, you also need to kill an elite mob, which is underwater. |
| 19:55.04 | Seeker | I have no idea how I pasted that |
| 19:56.16 | Seeker | Gnarfoz: killed him yet? |
| 19:59.51 | foxlit | surprise world quest objectives should kind of go away |
| 20:00.20 | znf | foxlit, yes. |
| 20:00.22 | Gnarfoz | Seeker: yeah |
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| 20:03.04 | znf | I really need to stop trying to pull a whole area when not in a pvp place |
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| 20:14.38 | znf | I was thinking - It's kind of annoying to have to equip your highest ilvl gear in instanced pvp |
| 20:17.38 | foxlit | but the worst-world-quest-type-of-the-expansion award goes to the quests involving AA cannons. |
| 20:18.15 | znf | AA? |
| 20:18.26 | Seeker | the "shoot down the dragons" ones |
| 20:18.33 | foxlit | anti-air |
| 20:18.39 | znf | ah |
| 20:18.42 | Seeker | They seem to have broken the cannons this expansion. I'm sure they're worse than they used to be |
| 20:18.52 | znf | they limited their movement range |
| 20:18.53 | znf | not sure why the fuck |
| 20:18.59 | foxlit | it's the same cannon, copy/pasted into different skins |
| 20:19.16 | Seeker | foxlit: they behaviour seems to have changed from pre-legion |
| 20:19.28 | foxlit | yeah, I don't disagree with that. |
| 20:19.45 | relaxok | znf: say what now? you have to equip it? or just have it in bags |
| 20:20.10 | foxlit | znf: presumably to give each cannon its own shooting gallery |
| 20:20.10 | znf | relaxok, you have to equip your highest ilvl gear in pvp if you want more stats |
| 20:20.25 | foxlit | because those quests a double-plus unfun if you're competing for the same 1-/2- hit mobs |
| 20:20.27 | relaxok | znf: i thought it was completely normalized |
| 20:20.30 | relaxok | znf: guess not |
| 20:20.40 | znf | no, it's based on your ilvl |
| 20:20.58 | bshelden | Every 10 ilvls gives you a 1% boost to the stat template |
| 20:21.17 | relaxok | foxlit: that quest must be particularly bad if you're not ranged, because sometimes it takes forever for the npcs that drop ammunition to pop.. so i just have to turn the camera up and try fireblasting them out of the sky |
| 20:21.24 | relaxok | foxlit: but maybe im missing something |
| 20:21.37 | bshelden | The drop rate on that ammo is criminal. |
| 20:21.42 | bshelden | Bloddy boar livers |
| 20:21.57 | foxlit | highmountain has a reskinned version with no ammo; the cannon is still frustrating. |
| 20:22.00 | znf | I feel like they improved the drop rate |
| 20:22.14 | znf | or I was lucky lately |
| 20:22.26 | relaxok | most of the pathing of the dragons doesnt actually go low enough to be within range |
| 20:22.30 | relaxok | so it still takes like 10 minutes |
| 20:22.55 | relaxok | and yes the cannon limitations are weird |
| 20:23.17 | bshelden | The highmountain one is frustrating more because of the hitbox on the targets. |
| 20:23.47 | bshelden | Plenty of time the shot goes right through the target. Models literally clipping. And right on by. |
| 20:24.00 | Seeker | twitches. I hate tanks on ursoc that get the taunting wrong, and then get upset when tehy're told they need to taunt after every debuff |
| 20:24.24 | relaxok | wasnt there a dual tank taunting bear in zul'aman or something? |
| 20:24.25 | nevcairiel | not sure after every is accurate |
| 20:24.45 | nevcairiel | there is 4 of the one debuff and 2 of hte other |
| 20:24.55 | nevcairiel | and you want one tank to only take one kind |
| 20:25.08 | Seeker | nevcairiel: the way they're applied, you basically taunt every time the current tank gets a debuff |
| 20:25.24 | Seeker | because of the way they stack / run out / duration |
| 20:25.56 | Seeker | http://www.icy-veins.com/wow/ursoc-strategy-tactics-normal-heroic#tanks |
| 20:26.08 | nevcairiel | maybe that is so, but its still not how a tank would think of it |
| 20:26.29 | bshelden | Ursoc... One twitchy fingers and things get interesting. It is simply taunt on thing, but recover means eating either a lot of overwhelm or a double stack. I have twichy fingers >.> |
| 20:26.31 | znf | I'm glad I'm not alliance/worgen |
| 20:26.33 | nevcairiel | the rend tank should just taunt when its being cast |
| 20:26.40 | znf | The voice-over of the worgen models is incredibly annoying |
| 20:27.23 | nevcairiel | but ursoc is the hardest fight to tank in that entire place, by a huge margin |
| 20:27.26 | nevcairiel | so much shit to do |
| 20:27.49 | nevcairiel | constant swapping, constant dragging, and while all thats going on you get so much damage that you need a perfect defense rotation :D |
| 20:28.02 | znf | last lockout I had issues with people not understanding the ursoc room is not circular |
| 20:28.08 | znf | and they can't always run to the mark in the middle |
| 20:28.20 | znf | they were literally running behind the boss |
| 20:28.26 | znf | ofc the group was stacked on the side |
| 20:28.36 | znf | (poor tanking, I'd say) |
| 20:30.26 | nevcairiel | you want to maximize the room you have, so tanking it in a perfect circle would be wasting space |
| 20:30.37 | znf | not sure why pugs insist on starting from the back of the room |
| 20:30.45 | nevcairiel | its not too much to ask for people to just go beheind the group |
| 20:30.53 | znf | we weren't using even half the room |
| 20:31.18 | znf | we would start at 12'o'clock and it was at 2% at 4'o'clock |
| 20:31.25 | znf | ...and then we wiped |
| 20:31.25 | nevcairiel | its still not too much to ask to just walk behind the group instead of insisting on some dumb marked spot :P |
| 20:31.57 | znf | that's what I told them |
| 20:32.04 | znf | eventually they removed the mark and used their brains |
| 20:32.55 | Seeker | znf: some groups need a full circle. Also, the boss is closer to the back of the room, so less time wasted with him running at the start |
| 20:35.25 | znf | less time? like what? 0.1seconds? |
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| 20:35.58 | Seeker | some of these groups need every 0.1 seconds they can get :P |
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| 20:49.44 | p3lim | ffs blizzard |
| 20:50.04 | p3lim | new laucher update and now it uses 80%+ of my cpu constantly |
| 20:52.08 | nevcairiel | its pre-loading 7.1 right now |
| 20:52.12 | nevcairiel | maybe thats related |
| 20:52.27 | p3lim | that was finished before I got the update to the launcher |
| 20:52.36 | nevcairiel | no idea then |
| 20:52.38 | nevcairiel | mine is behaving |
| 20:52.50 | p3lim | bug perhaps |
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| 20:54.19 | p3lim | actually |
| 20:54.28 | p3lim | the patches are handled by the update agent, not the launcher |
| 20:54.33 | p3lim | and it's the launcher that is misbehaving |
| 20:55.21 | p3lim | so even if I were updating it wouldn't warrant the launcher to almost cap my cpu |
| 20:55.29 | znf | back to the thing that some quests are annoying |
| 20:55.34 | znf | the Tufferfish one! |
| 20:55.49 | nevcairiel | i think they fixed that one, was much better last time i did it |
| 20:55.57 | znf | I'm just doing it now |
| 20:56.04 | znf | why can't murky auto-attack? :-/ |
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| 20:56.36 | znf | you just stay there pressing the button every 5 seconds |
| 20:56.38 | Ammako | queuing for headless horseman as tank + healer |
| 20:56.42 | Ammako | we've been in queue for 15 minutes |
| 20:56.42 | Ammako | ... |
| 20:56.50 | Ssateneth | do all 3 |
| 20:56.55 | Ssateneth | all roles |
| 20:56.58 | Ssateneth | then yolo |
| 20:57.03 | znf | not like you need a tank/healer :D |
| 20:57.09 | Ammako | cant heal as warrior |
| 20:57.16 | Ssateneth | so dps + tank |
| 20:57.34 | znf | pft, almost, man, almost: http://i.imgur.com/e8ttxZV.png |
| 20:58.00 | znf | ...I'm getting retarded amounts of order resources |
| 20:58.06 | Ssateneth | titanforge + socket, bad ilvl? |
| 20:58.18 | znf | Ssateneth, yeah, needed to be 850! |
| 20:58.21 | Ssateneth | or?... |
| 20:58.23 | Ssateneth | ah |
| 21:00.16 | znf | An'she is being a sweetheart today http://i.imgur.com/e8ttxZV.png |
| 21:00.25 | znf | crap http://i.imgur.com/cEsfuSV.png |
| 21:00.26 | znf | :P |
| 21:04.12 | Ssateneth | dont get it |
| 21:04.20 | znf | I got An'she's trinket |
| 21:04.26 | znf | earlier I got An'she's ring |
| 21:04.29 | Ssateneth | ah |
| 21:04.47 | Ssateneth | sorry i just got off from work |
| 21:04.54 | Ssateneth | so still getting off autopilot |
| 21:05.16 | znf | also, I get sko'vald is the bad guy, but damn: http://i.imgur.com/PXcSxfL.png |
| 21:05.30 | Semlar | do you have to do something to trigger the raid mission, i haven't gotten one this week |
| 21:06.01 | znf | Semlar, I have no idea! |
| 21:06.03 | nevcairiel | its only bi-weekly |
| 21:06.04 | znf | last week I didn't get shit |
| 21:06.09 | znf | I mean, last lockout |
| 21:06.21 | znf | all my followers were 850 on my priest |
| 21:06.28 | znf | my druid alt got it instantly when I hit 110 |
| 21:06.34 | znf | no followers were above 810 |
| 21:07.23 | nevcairiel | for some reason some people didnt get it the first raid week but then got it the second, but it being bi-weekly it doesnt make much of a difference |
| 21:07.42 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure i had it the last 2 weeks in a row |
| 21:07.46 | znf | uhm, how does it not? |
| 21:07.57 | znf | it basically skipped me a lockout of those 2 weeks |
| 21:08.11 | nevcairiel | only skipped one week for me |
| 21:08.20 | nevcairiel | so not a full lockout |
| 21:08.32 | znf | last week was the first time for me |
| 21:08.49 | znf | and as far as I know, this is the 2nd week of the current lockout |
| 21:09.16 | Ammako | im not even close to being able to do those missions |
| 21:09.18 | znf | I'm basing this on my druid's mission popping up when I dinged (monday?) and the mission having an expire time of ~8 days |
| 21:10.05 | nevcairiel | the people that got the first one a week later also had two weeks to do it |
| 21:10.10 | nevcairiel | its somehow desynced by a week for some |
| 21:10.15 | znf | interesting |
| 21:10.22 | znf | also, I noticed this doesn't appear again |
| 21:10.28 | znf | if you fail it, you seem to be fucked |
| 21:10.33 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 21:10.37 | znf | my druid failed it with 95% |
| 21:10.37 | nevcairiel | but 100% aint exactly hard |
| 21:10.46 | znf | well, literally just dinged :D |
| 21:10.46 | nevcairiel | 200% is where its at for the extra bonus roll |
| 21:11.00 | znf | no followers above 810, like I said |
| 21:11.28 | znf | I think the UI % might be bugged; as it counts lvl 109 followers as 50% efficiency |
| 21:11.40 | znf | so I sent a 109 follower + 2 druid of the claw to get 95% |
| 21:11.53 | znf | but internally that follower could have not counted towards anything |
| 21:11.55 | nevcairiel | there used to be a bug that doesnt count ilvl of low level followers |
| 21:11.58 | nevcairiel | guess its still there |
| 21:12.12 | znf | yup, the follower was orange |
| 21:12.32 | znf | ...that fucking ship quest is still bugged |
| 21:13.36 | xyphoid | is *that* why i had a quest where adding a follower made the % go do |
| 21:13.38 | xyphoid | go down |
| 21:14.07 | znf | no |
| 21:14.32 | znf | the bug is the % actually going up |
| 21:15.04 | nevcairiel | that can happen if you have a follower with a bonus on long missions and a new follower reduces the duration |
| 21:15.07 | nevcairiel | or something like that |
| 21:15.50 | znf | ie: a lvl 109 follower with the right perks/abilities will count as half effective (I think it was half?) == orange level text; while a lvl110 follower with the same perks/ability/counter, but lower ilvl than the mission requirement will not count at all == red text |
| 21:17.33 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 21:17.46 | Gnarfoz | 7/7 normal + 6/7 heroic with our chaos troupe, could have been worse |
| 21:17.53 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 21:18.22 | nevcairiel | normal is so ridiculous once you have a tiny bit of gear |
| 21:19.03 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 21:19.17 | nevcairiel | well the entire place was rather easy |
| 21:19.34 | nevcairiel | xavius is boring, cenarius is the real final boss =p |
| 21:20.03 | znf | dunno, I find Cenarius boring too now |
| 21:20.18 | nevcairiel | i tank cenarius, i miss like the entire fight |
| 21:20.23 | nevcairiel | but it took us the longest anyway |
| 21:22.08 | znf | right now it feels like the only way you can screw that up is the tanks fucking up in last phase |
| 21:22.35 | Gnarfoz | brambles |
| 21:22.35 | nevcairiel | spot on a debuff is like the basic tank function =p |
| 21:22.44 | Gnarfoz | that's not how that translates |
| 21:23.06 | nevcairiel | even if you dont put up damage reduce you have enough room, usually |
| 21:23.22 | Gnarfoz | we wiped once to running out of room |
| 21:23.26 | nevcairiel | my co-tank is a demon hunter, his areas from the spear are usually enormous |
| 21:23.30 | Gnarfoz | not sure how they fucked it up |
| 21:23.45 | nevcairiel | they dont have much in active mitigation |
| 21:23.53 | Gnarfoz | I think we just took too long because other people died too early |
| 21:23.58 | nevcairiel | possible |
| 21:24.04 | nevcairiel | brambles are the easiest to screw up |
| 21:24.07 | Gnarfoz | (my "they" was "our tanks") |
| 21:24.13 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 21:24.17 | Gnarfoz | bear + warrior |
| 21:24.24 | Gnarfoz | most likely it wasn't them |
| 21:24.35 | nevcairiel | those should have plenty tools to keep is small-ish |
| 21:24.40 | Gnarfoz | oh, also we tried resurrecting people twice |
| 21:24.50 | Gnarfoz | both died again instantly, any idea what that is about? |
| 21:24.58 | Gnarfoz | (was in p1, so it wasn't the p2 goo) |
| 21:25.15 | nevcairiel | we had that happen as well, if someone died in brambles and you ressed them, for some reason they died again instantly to bramble damage |
| 21:25.24 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that, I think |
| 21:25.36 | Gnarfoz | https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/V6NG8CYyABjXq342/#type=deaths |
| 21:25.36 | nevcairiel | if their corpse was still in an active bramble |
| 21:25.49 | Gnarfoz | yeah, good info, I had forgotten to even look into it |
| 21:25.53 | nevcairiel | probably some lag and it puts them there alive before it teleports them to the resser |
| 21:26.17 | nevcairiel | our people have gotten really good at clearing brambles now tho |
| 21:26.41 | nevcairiel | so now we just have to teach them to be more aware and not kite them through the group =p |
| 21:26.49 | Gnarfoz | some do it quite well, but it's still a game of "it's not on meeeee, nooo... oh it is" |
| 21:26.53 | nevcairiel | but a hunter and a rogue or so can clear so much of it |
| 21:26.58 | Gnarfoz | nobody wants to move, muh dps! |
| 21:27.16 | relaxok | i feel like all my heroic dungeoning and RF/N raiding has made me totally unprepared for the actual mechanics of bosses |
| 21:27.18 | Gnarfoz | hunter, rogue, paladin; anyone with high movement speed if you've got a tank paladin :D |
| 21:27.18 | nevcairiel | looks super funny to see a turtle hunter running around clearing the stuff :D |
| 21:27.27 | Gnarfoz | blessing of spellwarding is pretty nice |
| 21:27.58 | Gnarfoz | if you've survived normal, you'll do "ok" on heroic if someone tells you the (mostly just one) difference ;) |
| 21:28.15 | nevcairiel | yeah heroic differences are usually pretty minor |
| 21:29.41 | nevcairiel | ursoc might be the biggest change with the dragging requirement, dont even remember the changes on most other fights |
| 21:29.46 | znf | why doesn't that bramble thing put a fucking debuff on you? |
| 21:29.52 | Constie | Should have prepared you plenty if you've been making an effort to pay attention to mechanics. |
| 21:29.56 | znf | I'm 99% sure there was one on the beta |
| 21:30.02 | nevcairiel | znf: it was, it was removed |
| 21:30.15 | nevcairiel | presumably they want more awareness, with a debuff it would probably be way easy |
| 21:30.16 | znf | now it's like "who has that?!" |
| 21:32.20 | Constie | But how am I supposed to be aware of something if my UI isn't yelling at me about it? That's impossible! |
| 21:32.53 | bshelden | Also, could we kill the silly distracting visualization behind the UI please? It's distracting sometimes. |
| 21:32.54 | znf | you really can't tell if you have it if you're stacked with other people |
| 21:33.11 | nevcairiel | thats likely the entire point of not having a debuff |
| 21:33.11 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 21:33.19 | znf | it's annoyiiiiiiiing |
| 21:33.23 | znf | put a circle around me! |
| 21:33.26 | znf | a star on my head |
| 21:33.30 | znf | no need for a debuff |
| 21:33.33 | nevcairiel | you are range, no reason to clumb up that much |
| 21:34.07 | nevcairiel | clump* |
| 21:34.59 | znf | moving is a dps loss! |
| 21:35.14 | nevcairiel | move in gcds |
| 21:35.24 | znf | I'm Shadow. That's 0.7s GCD |
| 21:35.31 | nevcairiel | move faster! |
| 21:35.46 | znf | wish I could :D |
| 21:35.51 | Semlar | you're supposed to stack up to help mitigate the tree's aoe damage |
| 21:35.58 | Semlar | and sometimes for healing |
| 21:35.59 | znf | I keep hoping for the legendary to proc |
| 21:36.03 | nevcairiel | there isnt always a tree up =p |
| 21:36.05 | znf | but it keeps procing at the wrong times |
| 21:36.18 | nevcairiel | for the drake you should probably not stack up to avoid the entire raid getting blasted as well |
| 21:36.18 | znf | when you want to cancel that spell casting by moving/jumping? |
| 21:36.20 | znf | yup, it proc'd! |
| 21:36.27 | znf | and you're left wondering wtf is going on :D |
| 21:36.37 | znf | maybe I should put an audible warning on that, too |
| 21:36.40 | znf | I have a visual one |
| 21:36.59 | nevcairiel | that reminds me that i recently noticed that I can craft inscription stuff while moving |
| 21:37.02 | nevcairiel | that was very confusing |
| 21:37.30 | znf | took me a while to get used to cast while moving with the S2M buff |
| 21:37.59 | Semlar | i remember when i used to be able to cast while moving |
| 21:38.23 | Semlar | they've changed how hunter moves work so many times |
| 21:38.50 | znf | [00:38:46] You receive loot: [Legion Ammunition]x2. |
| 21:38.51 | znf | ofc now I get 2 |
| 21:38.52 | Semlar | arcane shot is a focus generator now |
| 21:39.06 | nevcairiel | wasnt that the primary dump in 6.x |
| 21:39.09 | Semlar | yeah |
| 21:39.43 | Semlar | multi-shot is a focus generator in marksmanship spec and a spender in BM |
| 21:40.00 | znf | I really need to way to dump all these order resources |
| 21:40.12 | Semlar | don't give them any ideas |
| 21:40.22 | nevcairiel | buy bonus tokens with them |
| 21:40.29 | nevcairiel | eventually you might run out |
| 21:40.32 | Semlar | i'm perfectly content not having to farm them |
| 21:40.32 | znf | I don't |
| 21:40.43 | znf | I make more than 10k/week |
| 21:40.45 | Semlar | spend them on bonus coins |
| 21:40.46 | znf | seals are 7k |
| 21:40.56 | nevcairiel | then stop doing pointless OR WQs =p |
| 21:41.02 | znf | ...who's doing those? |
| 21:41.08 | znf | I only do the +AP ones |
| 21:41.14 | Semlar | how are you getting 10k order resources a week |
| 21:41.19 | Semlar | not doing any quests |
| 21:41.21 | znf | and occasionally I do the ones that grant +haste gear |
| 21:41.37 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/k9CCLy7.png |
| 21:42.01 | nevcairiel | thats still 100 WQs every week, there aint that many AP quests |
| 21:42.20 | znf | You get ~700-800 per emissary quest |
| 21:42.42 | znf | that's almost 5k per week from the emissary quest if you do it every day |
| 21:42.58 | znf | that leaves less than 50 WQs to do every week |
| 21:43.14 | bshelden | I've got useless gear the last two weeks straight. I thought they removed OR from the pool. |
| 21:43.27 | znf | not sure if it's an actual 100% drop for OR in the emissary cache |
| 21:43.33 | znf | but last ones I did all gave me 700+ |
| 21:43.42 | nevcairiel | its not guaranteed OR |
| 21:43.48 | nevcairiel | but its pretty common |
| 21:43.52 | nevcairiel | can also be blood or extra AP |
| 21:43.57 | nevcairiel | or gold, even |
| 21:44.03 | znf | never got extra ap |
| 21:44.17 | znf | not that I recall, anyway |
| 21:44.29 | znf | I think also the withered scenario gives you some OR |
| 21:44.32 | nevcairiel | i dont usually pay much attention either way |
| 21:44.33 | bshelden | Yeah, I've been rolling a perfect run of useless gear. |
| 21:44.51 | nevcairiel | gear is in them nearly all the time now, since they hotfixed that |
| 21:45.02 | znf | yeah, I don't pay attention either, much |
| 21:45.04 | bshelden | In related news, my earlier ranting of WQs being too rewarding is rescinded. It definitely caps out. So now content with that. |
| 21:45.07 | znf | unless it's a legendary, I couldn't care less |
| 21:45.19 | nevcairiel | WQs dont go over 835 right now |
| 21:45.24 | bshelden | Exactly |
| 21:45.26 | nevcairiel | well plus 840 dungeon quests |
| 21:45.50 | znf | why the fuck isn't this shit acting properly http://i.imgur.com/Lhn7aLq.png |
| 21:45.57 | znf | why color the cursor yellow if I'm out of range |
| 21:46.22 | nevcairiel | just get a step closer, jeez =p |
| 21:46.37 | znf | I always get that happening! |
| 21:46.40 | znf | it's incredibly annoying |
| 21:46.51 | znf | only quest that does it all the time |
| 21:47.00 | nevcairiel | just get a step closer all the time! |
| 21:47.32 | znf | what's funny is that even click-to-move on it 50% of the time doesn't get me to the proper distance |
| 21:47.43 | nevcairiel | click to mvoe is for scrubs |
| 21:48.16 | znf | click-to-move is awesome lazy mode |
| 21:48.58 | znf | click-on-lootable-corpse |
| 21:49.01 | Ammako | i get that as melee |
| 21:49.03 | znf | == autowalk + auto-loot |
| 21:49.03 | znf | :D |
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| 21:49.07 | Ammako | ui says im in range for my abilities |
| 21:49.09 | Ammako | click on ability |
| 21:49.13 | Ammako | "im out of range" |
| 21:49.19 | Ammako | well, not click on ability, but you get what i mean |
| 21:49.45 | znf | I'm specifically talking about the cursor clearly showing you that you are in range |
| 21:49.49 | znf | but the server is "nope" |
| 21:49.54 | znf | https://gfycat.com/SerpentineIllustriousAfghanhound |
| 21:50.12 | znf | ^ click to move |
| 21:52.00 | znf | it's that time of the day to get disappointed by Nomi |
| 21:52.26 | znf | what's Semlar's nomi addon? |
| 21:52.30 | nevcairiel | nomicakes |
| 21:52.55 | nevcairiel | i got a rank 3 delicacy today today |
| 21:53.15 | znf | woah |
| 21:53.22 | znf | who convinced Semlar to publish it on curse? :o |
| 21:53.35 | znf | what is this madness |
| 21:53.57 | Gnarfoz | I've been earning a (very) little gold with azshari salad because apparently the market for that isn't flooded yet, because you need to farm surf/turf first |
| 21:53.58 | bshelden | Did... did blizzard just repeat their voice chat mistake? Cause this looks like a lesser discord... |
| 21:54.14 | Semlar | so it's curse? |
| 21:54.34 | nevcairiel | its probably not too bad, and its not tied into the game like the first try |
| 21:54.34 | znf | ...my Breeze addon still generates curse points |
| 21:54.36 | znf | *shrug* |
| 21:54.45 | Gnarfoz | "just repeat"? oO blizz voice has been out for a while |
| 21:54.46 | bshelden | Never used curse's voice stuff, so I can't comment. |
| 21:54.59 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: not really, they published it to non-beta users only today |
| 21:55.00 | Gnarfoz | but for some reason they put up a "now available" thing on the stable bnet app today |
| 21:55.03 | znf | I kept trying to use Curse Voice |
| 21:55.05 | bshelden | I only became aware of it today. |
| 21:55.11 | Semlar | i for one will enjoy not having 6 different voice clients installed if people actually use it |
| 21:55.12 | Gnarfoz | really? I'm convinced it was in stable before today |
| 21:55.17 | Gnarfoz | but then... who even uses it? :P |
| 21:55.23 | bshelden | And what I'm seeing looks like a lesser discord aimed at the same people discord is... |
| 21:55.27 | znf | but even if every one of my guildies had it, they still don't want to use it |
| 21:55.29 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: except... they wont |
| 21:55.36 | Gnarfoz | bshelden: oh noes, diversity! :P |
| 21:55.51 | nevcairiel | but why would you get another client or whatever when the one you have already does the thing |
| 21:55.57 | Gnarfoz | why (and how) would they beat another voip program, considering none of the current ones suck |
| 21:55.58 | Semlar | it's super annoying when i join a group and they want teamspeak or mumble or something |
| 21:56.02 | Semlar | vent |
| 21:56.03 | bshelden | Mrh, new entries with no advantages don't count to me. It puts no pressure on the current dominant player. |
| 21:56.09 | Gnarfoz | vent does not count as "current" ;) |
| 21:56.32 | Semlar | only things that copy slack's interface are current |
| 21:56.42 | Gnarfoz | so, discord? |
| 21:56.53 | nevcairiel | the advantage of being integrated with a popular gaming launcher is kinda a thing, it plays into the lazy-factor of people |
| 21:56.54 | znf | if I join a pug and they say vent, I leave |
| 21:56.55 | znf | fuck that |
| 21:56.57 | Gnarfoz | also, no, anything that uses Opus or a recent Speex or CELT |
| 21:57.27 | znf | on the subject of pugs, fuck people who do voice-activated |
| 21:57.39 | Gnarfoz | it's fine when your mic doesn't suck |
| 21:57.42 | Gnarfoz | (which it probably does) |
| 21:57.55 | znf | hearing key-presses drives me mad |
| 21:57.59 | Gnarfoz | see above |
| 21:58.00 | nevcairiel | i use voice activation on my guilds ts because i'm lazy |
| 21:58.09 | nevcairiel | but then its tuned properly to not do that :p |
| 21:58.11 | Gnarfoz | so do I, but then I made sure it doesn't pick up random shit |
| 21:58.18 | Gnarfoz | can't stand that myself |
| 21:58.19 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:58.46 | znf | is there a way to have LittleWigs enabled just in Mythic+? |
| 21:58.58 | bshelden | I use voice activated during raids only. My hands need to stay on ability buttons. ptt any other time. |
| 21:58.58 | nevcairiel | why do you not just ignore it in others |
| 21:59.06 | znf | I just don't want the visual spam |
| 21:59.21 | nevcairiel | i use my pinky for ptt, i dont use it for spells and it can reach the ptt key without distractions |
| 21:59.25 | Gnarfoz | thumb button on my mouse for PTT, doesn't prevent me from anything ^^ |
| 21:59.26 | nevcairiel | but .. still dont use it |
| 21:59.50 | bshelden | Any button on easy reach I'm using for something in game |
| 21:59.55 | Gnarfoz | (and mute button is ring finger mouse extra button at the edge of right click button) |
| 22:00.01 | nevcairiel | i dont need that many buttons =p |
| 22:00.02 | znf | I've used ~ for ages now for PTT |
| 22:00.18 | Gnarfoz | yeah, doubt you need that many keys unless you have like 10 additional macros doing random stuff :D |
| 22:00.24 | Gnarfoz | shift-`? |
| 22:00.29 | bshelden | I should reconsider moving to esdf. Would free up a lot of keyboard. |
| 22:00.32 | nevcairiel | 6 rotational key and 6 cooldown keys or something |
| 22:00.46 | znf | Gnarfoz, no, I meant ` |
| 22:00.48 | nevcairiel | mhm maybe 2 or so more |
| 22:00.56 | nevcairiel | plus movement of course |
| 22:00.56 | Gnarfoz | I've still got dead space on my 2x 10 button bars |
| 22:01.19 | Gnarfoz | I leave it there in case I pick another active talent at times ^^ |
| 22:02.26 | Gnarfoz | I use... (shift-) 1-5, (shift/ctrl) R+B+[+], of which [ ] are really on my mouse |
| 22:02.35 | nevcairiel | some people like to literally keybind everything, i just have some rare things to click on, like the combat pots i just click, plenty time to prepare for that in the right moment |
| 22:02.50 | Gnarfoz | (actually, shift-5 I don't really use, it's double-bound to `, so I use that instead) |
| 22:03.26 | Gnarfoz | (B is usually bound to dead space, C-] is pvp thing... bleh, ability pruning! :D) |
| 22:03.59 | relaxok | do you have a greater chance of getting legendaries in mythic raids e.g. vs raid finder raids? or is there some pool of content hat can drop it and they're all equal |
| 22:04.02 | Gnarfoz | paladin blessings via Clique |
| 22:04.07 | relaxok | that* |
| 22:04.11 | Gnarfoz | the latter, relaxok |
| 22:04.20 | relaxok | ok |
| 22:04.33 | nevcairiel | wut, blizzard has stated that higher difficulty has higher chances |
| 22:04.38 | Gnarfoz | when? |
| 22:04.43 | nevcairiel | various times? |
| 22:04.49 | Gnarfoz | not enough times! |
| 22:05.01 | Gnarfoz | still, it's limited to certain things |
| 22:05.14 | nevcairiel | of course, dungeon and raid bosses, and all chests |
| 22:06.20 | nevcairiel | had two drop last weeks normal raid, and another one this week in HC |
| 22:06.34 | nevcairiel | incidetnally, all of those at ilgynoth |
| 22:06.36 | Gnarfoz | also, the small sample size of my guild does not seem to follow "higher diff = more drops" :| (but that's small sample size for you) |
| 22:06.56 | nevcairiel | in my m+ group we've had 3 so far in m+ end of dungeon chests |
| 22:07.19 | Gnarfoz | we had... 1, in a different group than mine; but I think they had 4 from the same boss last week during either normal or heroic raid |
| 22:07.29 | Gnarfoz | "bad luck protection" and all that |
| 22:07.40 | nevcairiel | i dont think that one is as strong as people suggest it is |
| 22:07.44 | Gnarfoz | I got mine from an emissary chest |
| 22:07.49 | Ammako | i saw one from withered j'im the other day |
| 22:08.01 | Gnarfoz | well, since they won't tell how it works, I'll just keep randomly pointing at it and blaming/crediting it |
| 22:08.01 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:08.44 | znf | is anyone still doing the Mythic dungeon quests? |
| 22:09.33 | nevcairiel | from the missions? |
| 22:09.41 | nevcairiel | you can do them in m+ now, so sure |
| 22:09.46 | nevcairiel | not that it rewards anything useful |
| 22:10.03 | znf | oh, you can? |
| 22:10.05 | znf | didn't know that |
| 22:10.13 | znf | but I don't do M+ anyway |
| 22:10.22 | nevcairiel | you can do all kill quests in m+, just not loot things |
| 22:10.28 | nevcairiel | like, quest items |
| 22:10.28 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:10.34 | relaxok | do you see when other people loot legendaries? |
| 22:10.43 | relaxok | i havent seen one drop at any time if so |
| 22:10.56 | Ammako | if you see their other loot in chat then you would see legendaries |
| 22:11.04 | Stanzilla | yes you do |
| 22:11.17 | nevcairiel | in your guild you alslo get a guild wide announcement |
| 22:11.25 | relaxok | yeah i have seen that announce |
| 22:11.38 | Ammako | nice so when i get one i'll get an announcement to myself |
| 22:11.42 | relaxok | i just mean in any raid/mythic ive been in i havent seen a legendary drop |
| 22:12.05 | Gnarfoz | someone would probably have screamed ;) |
| 22:12.59 | znf | I feel that 7.1 needed to add more levels on the crafted gear |
| 22:13.09 | relaxok | yeah |
| 22:13.16 | Ammako | anyone seen a 895 titanforged yet |
| 22:13.20 | relaxok | crafting is at its worst state ever i think |
| 22:13.29 | nevcairiel | Ammako: 890 was the highest i saw |
| 22:13.30 | relaxok | its useless |
| 22:13.43 | relaxok | even vanilla had some BiS items that were crafted |
| 22:13.46 | nevcairiel | i wear a crafted ring |
| 22:13.50 | Gnarfoz | only on wowprogress, not personally :D |
| 22:13.59 | znf | I wear the crafted neck |
| 22:14.02 | Gnarfoz | I wear a crafted neck |
| 22:14.11 | relaxok | jc items? |
| 22:14.13 | znf | yeah |
| 22:14.19 | znf | not getting any other item to replace that slot |
| 22:14.21 | nevcairiel | i also wear a crafted trinket |
| 22:14.24 | Gnarfoz | yeah, also, you could wear a full set of crafted gear before mythic+ opened, it was pretty strong then |
| 22:14.34 | relaxok | $$$ |
| 22:14.44 | Gnarfoz | not a problem for people who didn't not play the last 8 years |
| 22:14.47 | relaxok | it maxes at 850? |
| 22:14.52 | znf | yes |
| 22:14.53 | Gnarfoz | currently, yes |
| 22:14.59 | znf | 855 in 7.1 |
| 22:15.34 | znf | I need more relics! |
| 22:15.36 | relaxok | I have 50k gold |
| 22:15.38 | znf | only 894 weapon :( |
| 22:15.40 | relaxok | thats it |
| 22:15.45 | nevcairiel | crafting should really never compete with high-end drop gear, it just feels weird to do that, you can have it slightly below to be able to compensate for really bad luck or something, which they are kinda doing with the gear now and slowly increasing the level it allows |
| 22:15.49 | nevcairiel | 855 isnt that terrible |
| 22:16.16 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/oM6OSVW.png |
| 22:16.39 | Stanzilla | Pénis |
| 22:16.39 | relaxok | nevcairiel: i kind of like the mechanic of raids dropping crafted recipes, and them using raid drop mats |
| 22:16.54 | relaxok | nevcairiel: i dont really tihnk the normal trainer stuff should be competitive |
| 22:17.05 | znf | no, it's actually Penis |
| 22:17.05 | nevcairiel | especially with rings or necks crafted gear is plenty strong since (a) you get a socket, and (b) without primary stats the correct selection of secondaries on those is far more important then the item level |
| 22:17.07 | znf | no accent |
| 22:17.46 | nevcairiel | relaxok: that worked better with one raid difficulty and it actually being difficult to get to those recipes and mats, with farmable modes like normal it kinda lost its feeling |
| 22:18.33 | znf | so I have spent 1.2mil on the AH |
| 22:18.35 | znf | how the fuck |
| 22:18.41 | znf | no, I earned 1.2mil |
| 22:18.45 | relaxok | have they announced if they're going to nerf tiers with new ones or keep some sense of raid progression? |
| 22:19.13 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 22:19.22 | nevcairiel | there hasnt been progression since BC |
| 22:19.31 | nevcairiel | when a new tier comes out you can basically jump straight in |
| 22:19.34 | relaxok | yeah i know but they are starting to bring back some ideas |
| 22:19.41 | nevcairiel | typically some catch-up is generated through other means |
| 22:19.47 | Gnarfoz | there is? |
| 22:20.02 | Gnarfoz | guess I don't notice because I never stopped playing |
| 22:20.15 | relaxok | getting rid of progression basically means there's always only 1 raid |
| 22:20.29 | xyphoid | remember starter tier sets from vendors |
| 22:20.30 | nevcairiel | yeah HFC you could get tanaan gear to 695 or so, that was basically BRF level |
| 22:20.31 | relaxok | err tier |
| 22:20.36 | Gnarfoz | also, not really surprised that they're bringing back some older ideas, considering almost a dozen Elitist Jerks (or EJ alumni/forum people) are now running WoW :p |
| 22:20.51 | relaxok | well it's working |
| 22:21.00 | Gnarfoz | not saying it's not, I love it |
| 22:21.12 | nevcairiel | dont think that particular thing is something thats really required to be coming back |
| 22:21.22 | Gnarfoz | actually, with Ion's promotion, the EJ guild leader now literally runs the game! :D |
| 22:21.47 | Gnarfoz | cynical people would insert an "i" into that |
| 22:21.58 | nevcairiel | if they can pace the raid content properly, they dont need the old raids to remain partly relevant |
| 22:22.15 | relaxok | also if the raids are big enough |
| 22:22.23 | Ammako | new bnet app update but they still have that annoying bug where chats windows get really laggy |
| 22:22.26 | relaxok | they could also have some sort of progression in the single instance |
| 22:22.31 | nevcairiel | especially since most of the raiders would just have the gear from the previous tier already anyway |
| 22:22.34 | znf | [01:21:40] [P] [Náutron-GrimBatol]: priest sucks in myth+ |
| 22:22.37 | znf | fuck your mother, too |
| 22:22.39 | nevcairiel | and this only apply to a small fraction of new groups |
| 22:23.08 | nevcairiel | easier to somehow bump those new players up a notch through other means and have them join the majority of raiders |
| 22:23.17 | Gnarfoz | we've only cleared heroic EN last reset and they're already throwing ToV at us next reset. and karazhan 2.0 |
| 22:23.30 | Ammako | isnt trial of valor two weeks after that |
| 22:23.31 | nevcairiel | ToV is three resets out |
| 22:23.37 | Ammako | way ahead of ya |
| 22:23.43 | Gnarfoz | is it? I suck at keeping up with news these days, apparently |
| 22:23.47 | relaxok | nevcairiel: i realize 'im a vanilla snowflake' blahblah but part of what was enjoyable to me was knowing the vast amount of stuff ahead of me.. that's part of what made me not be bored/give up.. if you only ever have a handful of bosses that you're killing every week and that's all there is other than the mythic mode version, it's less appealing to me (and many) |
| 22:23.47 | Constie | Isn't that what you keep saying, znf? |
| 22:23.57 | nevcairiel | yeah they didnt want to release a new raid over the blizzcon weekend or something |
| 22:24.00 | nevcairiel | because people are busy |
| 22:24.08 | nevcairiel | so its coming the w eek after |
| 22:24.16 | Gnarfoz | relaxok: that all would have sounded better if you'd only left out "and many" at the end... |
| 22:24.19 | Ammako | i found it really dumb that you could easily gear up 695, or 700 though pvp |
| 22:24.29 | relaxok | Gnarfoz: lol well just other people i played with that i talk to still |
| 22:24.31 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: right, I do recall reading that |
| 22:24.33 | Ammako | when lfr drops 675-685, like why even have it anymore outside of quests |
| 22:24.40 | Ammako | and it pretty much makes Normal redundant too |
| 22:25.28 | nevcairiel | relaxok: if you play from day 1, there is no such thing, and thats the majority of players - for people that join later, this would be such a small group that it would be problematic to even organize properly |
| 22:25.38 | Gnarfoz | 675? you must mean some other number |
| 22:25.54 | Ammako | no, lfr hfc gave 675-685 |
| 22:25.55 | Gnarfoz | or you mean WoD |
| 22:26.04 | nevcairiel | relaxok: classic was quite different in that regard because so many people played on so different levels - these days its all unified so much due to the different raid d ifficulties |
| 22:26.22 | nevcairiel | there is a difficulty for everyone |
| 22:26.22 | xyphoid | there's a lot more visibility in 'how to play' too |
| 22:26.28 | xyphoid | in the age of the wiki |
| 22:26.30 | nevcairiel | you dont have to do MC because you cant beat BWL |
| 22:26.34 | Ammako | at least in SoO days, you'd get 496 from timeless, or 535 if you spent a lot of time farming |
| 22:26.51 | Ammako | the 496 makes lfr worth it, and at 535, flex was still worth it, and normal |
| 22:27.09 | relaxok | nevcairiel: you didnt find going from MC to BWL more enjoyable than going from Normal to Mythic of all the same shit? |
| 22:27.27 | Gnarfoz | also, if you played from classic launch, you also would only have had a handful (or more accurately: one instance) that's relevant... multiple raids ahead of you only applied if you joined later |
| 22:27.27 | nevcairiel | relaxok: if you played from day 1, there was no bwl. |
| 22:27.34 | nevcairiel | relaxok: which I did. |
| 22:27.35 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:27.43 | Gnarfoz | I guess I mean the same thing nevcairiel is saying |
| 22:27.57 | Gnarfoz | it was "do MC... and more MC... and more MC" until BWL came out |
| 22:27.59 | nevcairiel | and the majority of raiders dont "skip" raids |
| 22:28.10 | Constie | Gear isn't enough to make LFR or flex worth it. |
| 22:28.11 | nevcairiel | it would be a tiny minority that would even go through this |
| 22:28.24 | Gnarfoz | flex doesn't exist |
| 22:28.34 | Gnarfoz | anymore |
| 22:28.40 | nevcairiel | Ammako: tanaan base drop was 650 with random upgrades, 695 is more comparable to the 535 drops |
| 22:28.49 | Ammako | i know |
| 22:29.03 | Gnarfoz | y'all are slowing my WQing down! |
| 22:29.12 | nevcairiel | and 650 is plenty lower then the LFR or Normal level |
| 22:29.15 | Ammako | but 695 mostly makes normal redundant, and was a lot easier to attain |
| 22:29.31 | Ammako | 535 from timeless was still 5 ilv lower than flex |
| 22:29.34 | nevcairiel | well 535 also made Flex redundant |
| 22:29.49 | nevcairiel | 5 isnt really worth it, could just go normal then |
| 22:29.56 | nevcairiel | (which now is heroic) |
| 22:30.17 | nevcairiel | but obtaining a full set of 535 or 695 wasnt very easy |
| 22:30.18 | Ammako | flex was 540 though, while in hfc normal was just completely redundant especially with pvp |
| 22:30.20 | nevcairiel | at least not on your main |
| 22:30.29 | nevcairiel | on alts you could probably funnel upgrade tokens from other chars |
| 22:30.41 | Gnarfoz | pvp doesn't exist. |
| 22:30.52 | Ammako | you dont exist |
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| 22:31.06 | nevcairiel | pvp gear was indeed way too easy to obtain, but they fixed that now |
| 22:31.22 | nevcairiel | 840 withotu rating isnt very high |
| 22:31.57 | Ammako | yeah |
| 22:32.14 | nevcairiel | still below normal raids or even karazhan |
| 22:32.24 | Ammako | allowing easy access to 700 through pvp was a mistake |
| 22:32.38 | nevcairiel | speaking of karazhan, anyone know what the attunment entails other then "some mythic instances"? like, specifics |
| 22:32.51 | Gnarfoz | was it active on ptr? probably not, right? |
| 22:33.03 | nevcairiel | dont think so |
| 22:33.09 | nevcairiel | maybe you could do it |
| 22:33.11 | nevcairiel | but it wasnt required |
| 22:33.20 | Ammako | from my point of view, during end of MoP, i could actually look forward to doing lfr every week because my other gear was 496 while lfr gave 528, with the set effects and trinkets, and i didnt have the patience to grind out 535 tokens |
| 22:33.23 | xyphoid | you can't do the pre-expansion quests now right |
| 22:33.23 | Gnarfoz | could probably go and check ;) |
| 22:33.48 | nevcairiel | nah ima go sleep, got an appointment in the morning, need to actually get up and leave the house |
| 22:33.50 | xyphoid | just discovered that the reason the legion plot felt missing stuff was that all the whys are in the pre-quests |
| 22:33.51 | nevcairiel | what a nightmare |
| 22:33.54 | Ammako | during wod, that was kind of a let down because my gear easily outclassed lfr, there was no point in doing it outside of quests |
| 22:34.09 | nevcairiel | its a good thing when you dont need to do lfr |
| 22:34.10 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:34.24 | Gnarfoz | I've got to be at the office earlier than usual, too |
| 22:34.34 | Gnarfoz | someone scheduled a meeting for half an hour before I usually arrive |
| 22:34.36 | Ammako | even without 695 tokens, baleful gear warforged really often lol |
| 22:34.40 | Gnarfoz | on a Friday, too |
| 22:34.43 | Gnarfoz | fuck him |
| 22:34.59 | nevcairiel | i w ould say better then the later afternoon on fridays |
| 22:35.13 | nevcairiel | or an early monday |
| 22:35.15 | Ammako | then again i guess back then i could have done pvp for easy 550s isntead of lfr too, lol |
| 22:36.47 | Gnarfoz | I kind of wish my legendary had the opposite effect... turn movement speed into haste instead of the other way around :D |
| 22:36.54 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 22:37.17 | nevcairiel | it does definitely feel like those generic legendaries are more common then the "good" ones, does it not |
| 22:37.55 | nevcairiel | we have those speed boots a couple times in the guild, teh generic leather belt, the cc ring |
| 22:37.59 | nevcairiel | very few people got a really good one |
| 22:38.14 | Gnarfoz | it does, but I actually like this one (could have been worse, Sephuz or Prydaz) |
| 22:38.26 | kullervo | I want the holy paladin judgement lege for tanking :( |
| 22:38.58 | nevcairiel | they specifically talked about reworking the leather belt some |
| 22:39.02 | nevcairiel | maybe it turns out okish after |
| 22:39.06 | Ammako | i want this http://www.wowhead.com/item=141353/magnetized-blasting-cap-launcher |
| 22:39.39 | Ammako | or http://www.wowhead.com/item=137081/war-belt-of-the-sentinel-army |
| 22:40.34 | kullervo | that would be pretty gg for m+ and fast heroic runs |
| 22:41.00 | Gnarfoz | it's fun running away from Ursoc at 220% movement speed :D although that means I had to run while my only DPS cooldown was active |
| 22:41.23 | Gnarfoz | 20% more healing on judge for 5s? hmmm yeah. |
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| 22:43.45 | kullervo | that LotP |
| 22:45.31 | Gnarfoz | I haven't tanked m+ beyond +2, do you use actual LotP or HotP (and then Last Stand, I assume?) |
| 22:47.20 | znf | RIP 6+2 |
| 22:47.24 | znf | dps d/c'd |
| 22:47.41 | kullervo | hand and last stand |
| 22:47.57 | Gnarfoz | hm? that doesn't work |
| 22:48.12 | Gnarfoz | oh, it's called Final Stand... and you probably meant Last Defender |
| 22:48.16 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 22:49.18 | Ammako | is it bad that i named my D:\ drive "saD:\" |
| 22:49.29 | kullervo | whatever, the aoe talent |
| 22:49.30 | Gnarfoz | no, it's saD:\. |
| 22:50.07 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that's in a different tier, though -- I only meant the HotP/Knight/Final Stand row ^^ |
| 22:50.08 | kullervo | Ammako: yes, it's bad because you needed someone to notice you'd done that |
| 22:50.33 | kullervo | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/defias-brotherhood/vji/advanced |
| 22:50.38 | Ammako | to be fair that was a friend's suggestion |
| 22:51.11 | Ammako | and now i need to move WoW to the sad drive |
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| 22:55.50 | Gnarfoz | apropos drives, I think we should replace our SAN with a bunch of 960 Pros... :D |
| 22:57.15 | znf | Gnarfoz, give me budget for a Ceph cluster! |
| 22:57.21 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 22:57.24 | znf | :( |
| 22:57.25 | znf | plz? |
| 22:57.31 | znf | I just want 40x1TB drives |
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| 22:58.01 | znf | and I need just 4 servers with many gigabit ports :-S |
| 22:58.18 | Gnarfoz | 10 GbE or bust |
| 22:58.28 | relaxok | random battlegrounding gives you 805 gear, which is kind of jokey |
| 22:59.11 | znf | yes :D |
| 22:59.40 | znf | Gnarfoz, are there servers with 10GbE on-board ports? |
| 22:59.47 | kullervo | relaxok: it gives higher if you have some rating |
| 23:01.37 | Gnarfoz | znf: of course |
| 23:01.52 | znf | how many kidneys are those? |
| 23:02.07 | Gnarfoz | not really much more than 4x GbE |
| 23:02.30 | znf | I'm conflicted in how many servers to even ask; |
| 23:02.47 | znf | like, I would like 4 servers with 10 drives each, so I can get 20TB usable out of those |
| 23:03.16 | Gnarfoz | I have no idea, I don't use that "fancy" stuff |
| 23:03.46 | znf | $newBoss asked me to draw some plans for some new stuff in the DC, |
| 23:03.49 | Gnarfoz | totally wish I had time to properly understand it, but it borders on "web hipster" levels of badly explained |
| 23:03.55 | znf | it does, indeed |
| 23:04.02 | znf | I *think* I got the basic idea of it |
| 23:04.08 | znf | But it's so cool :-/ |
| 23:04.30 | Gnarfoz | ("it" being several such things, where the only coherent thought I can form is "why do I need that?" :P) |
| 23:04.31 | znf | being able to just unplug a server live, do stuff to it, put it back and have your storage undisturbed sounds fucking dreamy |
| 23:05.12 | Gnarfoz | aaand 999/1000 with all new factions except that fishing guy. what do I put on my rep bar now? :| |
| 23:05.32 | znf | the fishing guy, obviously |
| 23:05.58 | Gnarfoz | that's what I went with, although it's going to be a while before I'm bored enough to do that |
| 23:06.12 | Gnarfoz | should have gotten in on the first-week raid fishing action |
| 23:06.38 | Gnarfoz | pfff, actually usable relic from emissary cache, if it wasn't only 835 :( |
| 23:06.46 | Gnarfoz | and only works for 1 artifact, double :( |
| 23:06.46 | kullervo | "the fishing guy" |
| 23:06.53 | kullervo | you mean NAT MOTHERFUCKING PAGLE? |
| 23:06.58 | Gnarfoz | no? |
| 23:07.01 | Gnarfoz | what is this, WoD? |
| 23:07.03 | Gnarfoz | conjurer margoss |
| 23:07.11 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 23:07.14 | kullervo | nat pagle's on the shattered isles too |
| 23:07.20 | Gnarfoz | not as a rep faction |
| 23:07.23 | kullervo | pffff |
| 23:07.26 | kullervo | does that matter |
| 23:07.30 | kullervo | go fish for him anyway |
| 23:07.34 | Gnarfoz | yes, because that's what I talked about! :D |
| 23:07.52 | Gnarfoz | I already fished for 3 days straight on his behest to get my corrupted ashbringer |
| 23:08.12 | Gnarfoz | only because he was drunk and put some random shit about how to fish up ashbringer in that book of his! :P |
| 23:08.59 | kullervo | hah I gave up fishing for that |
| 23:09.00 | Gnarfoz | some other day in the very far away future I might also complete Warsong and Arathi rep |
| 23:09.10 | kullervo | got better things to fish for right now, such as.. the JC design in Suramar |
| 23:09.21 | Gnarfoz | which one is that? |
| 23:09.30 | kullervo | crit ring iirc |
| 23:09.55 | Gnarfoz | prophetic band? hmm |
| 23:10.01 | Ammako | fishing guy seems fishy |
| 23:10.15 | Gnarfoz | must have fished that up without noticing? weird |
| 23:10.24 | Ammako | did they fix his rep bar in rep window |
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| 23:10.47 | Gnarfoz | could buy rank 3 from the highmountain guys, but for what... they're too expensive to craft and sell below crafting cost. lol |
| 23:10.52 | kullervo | I fished from 400 to 800 in Suramar and didn't find it |
| 23:11.20 | relaxok | slow fall to conjurer margoss = hax |
| 23:11.29 | Gnarfoz | actually |
| 23:11.34 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=40560/spiriting-away it's a quest reward |
| 23:12.34 | Gnarfoz | r2 from withered army training, r3 from highmountain exalted; so I think it must be a different one |
| 23:12.51 | relaxok | Gnarfoz: did you see they actually have the ashbringer skin related to EPL fishing like the old rumor? |
| 23:12.55 | relaxok | Gnarfoz: or is that what you're actually talking about |
| 23:12.55 | Gnarfoz | maelstrom r3 |
| 23:13.04 | Gnarfoz | relaxok: that's what I was talking about |
| 23:13.17 | kullervo | relaxok: it's related to ALL the old rumors |
| 23:13.24 | Gnarfoz | and I do know they basically made the old rumours come true |
| 23:13.51 | relaxok | i assume they're going to put a rare spawning vendor in the STV caves too |
| 23:14.08 | Ammako | imagine if people made even more difficult steps in their rumors back then |
| 23:14.40 | Gnarfoz | wish all hidden apperances had a quest line like this, maybe minus the up to 30h respawn rare mob (that wasn't even free tap at the beginning) and 0.1-80 hours of fishing :D |
| 23:14.42 | Ammako | then youd be stuck doing evern worse stuff |
| 23:15.03 | Ammako | sub hidden appearance was fun despite being frustrating imo |
| 23:15.04 | Gnarfoz | also I wonder if the hidden Gnomeregan boss is the last hidden thing nite_moogle alluded to |
| 23:15.12 | Gnarfoz | or if there's still more undiscovered in 7.0 |
| 23:15.38 | Stanzilla | arms artifact |
| 23:15.46 | kullervo | I'm still furious about not knowing whether the prot paladin flail is in the game yet or not |
| 23:16.04 | Gnarfoz | wasn't that the relog in a cave thing? |
| 23:16.08 | relaxok | Ammako: if you look at the hidden skin questlines, it looks like they were hoping originally to have every single spec have an involved questline but only finished a handful of them, and finished the others with easy stuff like farming the drop |
| 23:16.08 | Gnarfoz | kullervo: it's not |
| 23:16.10 | Stanzilla | that was pro |
| 23:16.12 | Stanzilla | r |
| 23:16.12 | Stanzilla | t |
| 23:16.13 | relaxok | hopefully they add more crazy questlines |
| 23:16.26 | kullervo | Gnarfoz: BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW |
| 23:16.29 | znf | <Gnarfoz> only because he was drunk and put some random shit about how to fish up ashbringer in that book of his! :P |
| 23:16.30 | znf | erm |
| 23:16.34 | Gnarfoz | only 1 hidden appearance per spec at the moment, neither shattered ashbringer, nor flail, nor the DH thing are in |
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| 23:16.44 | kullervo | earlier they confirmed all specs have 6 appereances already available |
| 23:16.52 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/AYdMyOr.png |
| 23:16.55 | znf | ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME |
| 23:16.57 | Gnarfoz | where? they also confirmed shattered ashbringer isn't it |
| 23:17.00 | Gnarfoz | *in |
| 23:17.02 | znf | WHO THE FUCK TOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A FUCKIGN GOOD IDEA |
| 23:17.03 | znf | what the fucking fuck |
| 23:17.08 | kullervo | znf: hahahaha that's great |
| 23:17.11 | relaxok | kullervo thats not true is it, i heard that was for later expansion but not in the game now |
| 23:17.29 | kullervo | relaxok: then the blue post had misinformation |
| 23:17.45 | Gnarfoz | blue vs. blue |
| 23:17.50 | Gnarfoz | the showdown |
| 23:17.54 | relaxok | znf: what am i seeing in there? |
| 23:18.03 | Gnarfoz | spirit of redemption carrying the flag, I think |
| 23:18.22 | relaxok | lol |
| 23:18.31 | znf | yeah |
| 23:18.37 | znf | and then he rezzed himself with the flag?!??? |
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| 23:18.56 | Stanzilla | "xD" |
| 23:19.03 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_101716_024904.jpg |
| 23:19.16 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: I'm not sure I asked previously, do you have an armory link to your guy with the holy paladin hidden appearance? |
| 23:19.27 | relaxok | rofl kullervo |
| 23:19.31 | relaxok | amazing |
| 23:19.41 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/Zirkel%20des%20Cenarius/Onind/advanced |
| 23:19.47 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: do you still not believe me or what? |
| 23:20.01 | relaxok | i still think they totally went overboard with the whole titles thing.. it's downright ridiculous. |
| 23:20.10 | relaxok | originally when they added a few it was supposed to be a rare thing for major raid achievements |
| 23:20.12 | znf | how the fuck did he rezz himself? |
| 23:20.13 | znf | I don't get it |
| 23:20.15 | Gnarfoz | relaxok: that's nothing. http://i.imgur.com/7wR1Ebz.png |
| 23:20.15 | relaxok | and the old pvp honor system |
| 23:20.18 | kullervo | znf: legendary item |
| 23:20.23 | znf | they're disabled in pvp |
| 23:20.35 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: I haven't seen anyone with it who didn't exploit, so, no, I don't |
| 23:20.41 | kullervo | btw my screenshot was just people fishing for the shadow fragment |
| 23:20.44 | Gnarfoz | and I've also farmed there for quite a while now, but that might of course just be bad luck :P |
| 23:20.50 | kullervo | znf: not in unrated afaik |
| 23:20.52 | Stanzilla | it is |
| 23:20.55 | relaxok | Gnarfoz: lol.. what is the point of being in a raid? |
| 23:20.55 | znf | it is |
| 23:20.57 | znf | mine doesn't work |
| 23:20.57 | Stanzilla | it just drops |
| 23:21.04 | relaxok | Gnarfoz: everyone can loot? |
| 23:21.10 | relaxok | Gnarfoz: its fishing though... |
| 23:21.10 | Gnarfoz | relaxok: camping the 40 minute - 30h spawn mob |
| 23:21.15 | Gnarfoz | fishing comes after. |
| 23:21.24 | relaxok | Gnarfoz: oh, right |
| 23:21.25 | kullervo | yeah I realmhopped that mob, got lucky |
| 23:21.26 | xyphoid | the best title acquisition method's still the isle of quel danas one |
| 23:21.32 | kullervo | had an addon scanning the custom groups for it |
| 23:21.38 | Gnarfoz | also, realm hopping via groups, defending against horde, and of course, talking. |
| 23:21.45 | kd3 | spend 1000g, get a title. easy |
| 23:21.53 | kullervo | Gnarfoz: defending? hah on my realm nobody fought |
| 23:22.07 | relaxok | xyphoid: which was that? |
| 23:22.10 | Gnarfoz | there'd always be some bored kid trying to annoy people |
| 23:22.23 | kullervo | the other night I mentioned here how we had similar transmogs with another paladin |
| 23:22.24 | Gnarfoz | of course they'd die instantly from a sea of Judgements |
| 23:22.28 | relaxok | i was really hoping they'd add a title for the scepter questline, but they just added a feat of strength |
| 23:22.32 | znf | ok, what the fuck am I missing? |
| 23:22.35 | znf | How did he rezz himself? |
| 23:22.43 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_101516_035505.jpg |
| 23:22.52 | kullervo | she had the same transmog I do, except without the fancy had and laughing armaments |
| 23:23.02 | xyphoid | relaxok: http://www.wowhead.com/quest=11549/a-magnanimous-benefactor |
| 23:23.09 | Gnarfoz | znf: your screenshot contains 0 info on how. maybe a combatlog? :P |
| 23:23.09 | kullervo | then I equipped my blue challenge set, she did too... I had a dress, she wore pants |
| 23:23.12 | kullervo | it was funny |
| 23:23.21 | relaxok | xyphoid: holy shit i forgot about that hahaha |
| 23:23.40 | znf | Do you log in random bgs? >_< |
| 23:23.54 | kullervo | znf: sometimes, by accident |
| 23:23.56 | Gnarfoz | no, but why do you ask us when we have even less info than you could possibly have? :P |
| 23:24.03 | Gnarfoz | I need more red xmog gear. http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/blackmoore/Hooloofoo/simple |
| 23:24.15 | kullervo | sometimes I upload those just as proof of concept |
| 23:24.16 | Thunder_Child | Well it's a good thing I am going to be out of town anyway because amazon is dropping the ball on the AE of Civ6. |
| 23:24.24 | Gnarfoz | these crap items kind of work in in-game lighting, but I hat them :D |
| 23:24.38 | relaxok | http://www.wowhead.com/item=21517/gnomish-turban-of-psychic-might |
| 23:24.41 | relaxok | clear best cloth helm |
| 23:24.45 | kullervo | haha that's fucking terrible Gnarfoz |
| 23:24.45 | znf | Gnarfoz, because maybe I'm missing something as to how holy priests work |
| 23:24.48 | znf | I am aware of the legendary |
| 23:24.57 | znf | but this guy didn't have it, and they're disabled in pvp anyway |
| 23:25.10 | Gnarfoz | kullervo: I know, right? :D it looks better in-game because the armory doesn't have shading or lighting, but still. |
| 23:25.23 | kullervo | uhhh no |
| 23:25.25 | Gnarfoz | actually, it looks like it gained shading at some point! |
| 23:25.32 | kullervo | it looks better because armory renders at a better quality than you can get in game |
| 23:25.41 | Gnarfoz | laughable |
| 23:25.46 | kullervo | really it does |
| 23:25.52 | Gnarfoz | no, it doesn't have in-game lighting. |
| 23:25.58 | kullervo | yeah it doesn't have that, but otherwise |
| 23:26.08 | kullervo | it even renders particles and animation effects |
| 23:26.19 | Gnarfoz | I guess they finally upgraded it then |
| 23:26.22 | kullervo | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/defias-brotherhood/Vji/simple |
| 23:26.22 | znf | if I would have remembered about Shadowplay |
| 23:26.28 | Gnarfoz | CM set looked like ass when it was current |
| 23:26.45 | Gnarfoz | couldn't even do 3D belts then :D |
| 23:26.52 | kullervo | even shows the lightsaber |
| 23:27.07 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that didn't work for a long time |
| 23:27.26 | kullervo | but I sort of miss the pose selection |
| 23:28.00 | Gnarfoz | that was a long long time ago, though |
| 23:28.30 | Gnarfoz | I wonder when the armory will gain a real 3d renderer :D probably never, considering that's what makes, for example, wowhead's pages so utterly slow |
| 23:28.48 | Gnarfoz | http://i.imgur.com/z6teRFS.png as long as I don't go into well lit areas, it's fine! :D |
| 23:29.32 | Gnarfoz | those corrupted ashbringer variants are annoying, though... the sword outline colors are very bright, not much gear with such strong/bright shades of colors |
| 23:29.54 | znf | just transmog it to something else |
| 23:29.57 | znf | be a different paladin |
| 23:30.05 | Gnarfoz | you're different enough for both of us |
| 23:30.47 | Gnarfoz | (corrupted ashbringer is still plenty different at the moment here. I need to kill about a million (actually ~800) horde, so I can use the golden variant |
| 23:30.51 | Gnarfoz | got lots of golden xmog gear. :P |
| 23:31.43 | znf | Stanzilla, do you Mindbender or PI? |
| 23:32.01 | Gnarfoz | I'm kind of disappointed in how little appearances I got credited; I guess their tracking wasn't as good as I had hoped (or they didn't want to crawl the item history of hundreds of millions of characters that far back) |
| 23:33.06 | Stanzilla | znf: PI |
| 23:33.40 | znf | mkay, let's try it in a normal raid, see how that works out :-S |
| 23:33.59 | kullervo | I wish prot palas had something so shiny |
| 23:34.12 | kullervo | people don't look at me enough yet |
| 23:34.15 | znf | I don't care at all about my artifact |
| 23:34.23 | znf | would have been a shiny blob |
| 23:35.00 | kullervo | well, you noticed, I have the lightsaber since it's the shinest thing |
| 23:35.08 | Gnarfoz | kullervo: wtb reinhardt hammer skin for prot instead of for holy :p |
| 23:35.23 | kullervo | lol yeah that'd be great |
| 23:35.29 | kullervo | it'd basically be titan's grip at that point |
| 23:36.16 | Gnarfoz | they made a 2H healing mace for holy, I'm sure they could have come up with an excuse to do that for prot :D |
| 23:36.46 | Gnarfoz | as if you'd need an excuse beyond it's fucking awesome |
| 23:36.56 | znf | I would have been happy with more tentacles |
| 23:37.02 | kullervo | nono the SHIELD has to remain |
| 23:37.08 | znf | bigger tentacles |
| 23:37.08 | Gnarfoz | also, your daily reminder... SOMETHING'S NOT QUITE RIGHT |
| 23:37.14 | kullervo | WHO GOES THERE |
| 23:43.50 | Gnarfoz | ...when you jump off a high place only to realise a second too late that your glider and emerald winds are both on cooldown |
| 23:44.13 | Gnarfoz | now I have to travel by land, like a pleb! |
| 23:44.16 | kullervo | ... and you have 20 seconds of forbearance remaining |
| 23:44.27 | Gnarfoz | that's the maximum I ever have, so that's not a problem |
| 23:44.28 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:44.34 | _Kee | Then you use Gnimish Gravity well :p |
| 23:44.34 | znf | Stanzilla, do you PI on Voidform or wait? |
| 23:44.35 | Constie | Those "I'm so glad I play a Priest" moments. |
| 23:44.40 | znf | in STM |
| 23:44.46 | kullervo | it is when you notice you're going to die in 5 seconds |
| 23:44.49 | Gnarfoz | _Kee: that doesn't propel me forward, does it? |
| 23:44.59 | znf | Constie, as a priest, I've died too many times due to fall damage |
| 23:45.04 | Ressy | ^ |
| 23:45.09 | Gnarfoz | nah, survival wasn't the issue, just wasted "potential energy", if you will ^^ |
| 23:45.27 | Constie | How? |
| 23:45.31 | Gnarfoz | also, I should always carry a buoy! :D |
| 23:45.32 | Stanzilla | znf: on pull |
| 23:45.34 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/nNlUjc2.png |
| 23:45.37 | Stanzilla | then time it with s2m |
| 23:45.41 | znf | oh, ok |
| 23:45.42 | Gnarfoz | znf: bad |
| 23:45.44 | Ressy | Always forgot to put levitate on my bars. lmao |
| 23:45.55 | Gnarfoz | Ressy: even bad-er! :D |
| 23:45.58 | Ressy | I know |
| 23:46.00 | kullervo | haha my main only has one, thankfully |
| 23:46.08 | Ressy | Its on them now though. lmao |
| 23:46.11 | _Kee | Gnomish Gravity Well resets character vector, then performs a small "jump" |
| 23:46.13 | kullervo | someone trolled me with grip iirc |
| 23:46.17 | _Kee | And has no cd |
| 23:46.19 | Constie | I have it bound to shift+space, because it's like jumping but different. |
| 23:46.22 | _Kee | and it's a toy |
| 23:46.50 | _Kee | So using it right under ground, it'll save you. |
| 23:46.52 | Ressy | 33 falling dmg deaths.. |
| 23:47.19 | _Kee | But it's for Gnomish Engineers only :p |
| 23:47.36 | Gnarfoz | I am one! |
| 23:47.41 | kullervo | I had a silly # of falling deaths on my paladin when looting the legion treasures |
| 23:47.46 | Ammako | fall damage? what's that |
| 23:47.52 | Gnarfoz | but I think between being a Paladin and engineering in general, I have enough falling survival tools ^^ |
| 23:48.09 | kullervo | panda rogue could fall like 300 yards without dying in WoD |
| 23:48.11 | Ressy | achievement - statistics - deaths- scroll down to world |
| 23:48.41 | Gnarfoz | deaths from fatigue: 2! :D |
| 23:48.41 | Constie | 20 fall damage deaths, but they're all non-canon. |
| 23:48.47 | Ammako | now any sub rogue can fall any height and not die :D |
| 23:48.49 | Ressy | 5 from fatigue. lol |
| 23:48.51 | Gnarfoz | fire and lava: 5 |
| 23:48.56 | Ressy | 1 was flying from Dalaran. Somehow. |
| 23:48.56 | Gnarfoz | Hogger: 0 |
| 23:49.09 | Ressy | on a freakin FP. |
| 23:49.15 | Gnarfoz | total raid and dungeon: 8736 :| |
| 23:50.04 | kullervo | 9526 total |
| 23:50.40 | kullervo | 655,508 kills though, that's a fairly good KDR |
| 23:50.57 | Gnarfoz | deaths to elevator boss is luckily 0 |
| 23:51.18 | Gnarfoz | 826544/12392 |
| 23:51.28 | kullervo | there's an elevator boss in vault of wardens now |
| 23:51.31 | kullervo | that doesn't have statistics |
| 23:51.36 | Gnarfoz | slackers |
| 23:51.44 | Gnarfoz | also, it's more than one! :D |
| 23:51.44 | Ressy | I died to that elevator in vaults. |
| 23:52.02 | Ressy | Somehow despite using levitate, I went through the elvator, and went below the floor, and died |
| 23:52.15 | Gnarfoz | typical elevator shenanigans |
| 23:53.07 | _Kee | Deaths from drowning: -- |
| 23:53.15 | _Kee | Ah wait, I am undead |
| 23:53.16 | znf | Stanzilla, since when is there a haste cap? |
| 23:53.29 | Stanzilla | znf: since https://howtopriest.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=8941 |
| 23:53.45 | _Kee | And warlock |
| 23:53.48 | _Kee | And engineer |
| 23:53.52 | _Kee | And alchemist |
| 23:54.01 | _Kee | I just can;t drown |
| 23:54.03 | znf | BAH |
| 23:54.03 | Gnarfoz | those stupid colored gem chips |
| 23:54.04 | _Kee | :/ |
| 23:54.40 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/2016-10-21_02-54-36.png |
| 23:55.16 | Ammako | i was wondering if that would let you be online on two separate regions at once without causing problems |
| 23:55.55 | kullervo | it would probably allow multiboxers to properly run many accounts with different settings |
| 23:55.56 | Gnarfoz | let's see what Nomi has for me tonight |
| 23:56.13 | Gnarfoz | ah, 14 badly burnt food. yummy |
| 23:56.24 | Constie | I gave up on Nomi and just put mats in the guild bank now. |
| 23:56.41 | Ammako | maybe in a few months, he will start producing burnt food instead of badly burnt |
| 23:56.54 | Ammako | he is a very slow learner |
| 23:57.11 | Gnarfoz | I've gotten usable recipes from him, also the ones I want, all thanks to Semlar |
| 23:57.59 | relaxok | engineering is truly terrible in legion |
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| 23:58.55 | Constie | The most disappointing thing about it for me has been the Reaves fireworks module. |
| 23:59.25 | relaxok | they should hire a single designer for each profession and just have them go nuts |
