| 00:00.53 | _Kee | I am curious why it's still not fixed⦠well⦠raid opens tommorow ^^ |
| 00:04.27 | znf | Someone tell me where the hell is the druid artifact forge |
| 00:04.29 | Gnarfoz | probably not fixed because no indications of where or what you're doing... unless you actually reported it with that info |
| 00:04.48 | foxlit | anyway, no news on that front yet. |
| 00:04.57 | znf | I've been walking around dreamgrove for the past 10 minutes |
| 00:05.10 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: I recognize that staircase! |
| 00:05.11 | Gnarfoz | ask a guard! oh wait... |
| 00:05.18 | foxlit | znf: on a hill, past the hub to the right |
| 00:05.18 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: I can tell by the pixels |
| 00:05.22 | nevcairiel | znf: doesnt an npc send you there |
| 00:05.29 | _Kee | This looks just like art: http://benio.me/pub/res/img/wow/harvest.png and the art is explosion: http://benio.me/pub/res/img/wow/soulburn.png |
| 00:05.33 | znf | it sent me once, I forgot |
| 00:06.05 | znf | oh my fucking god |
| 00:06.06 | znf | that small? |
| 00:06.10 | znf | wth druids |
| 00:06.21 | nevcairiel | it grows when you fondle it |
| 00:06.23 | foxlit | We like flowers and things. |
| 00:07.16 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: it's where you (fail to) do the 0/4 Prisoners world quest |
| 00:07.25 | _Kee | Common issue with affli locks, reported weeks ago, ex. my post: http://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17613372285#post-1 Now, we can expect raids to be made in one reset, huh? Or getting perma aggroed, what is the prioritet of fixing bugs :o |
| 00:07.46 | znf | ...wow, kitty forms are weird |
| 00:07.47 | foxlit | (too few spawns on that island; you really want to be across the canacel to the right and possibly up the bridge) |
| 00:07.48 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: yeah, that was my first impression |
| 00:07.53 | _Kee | And the worst fact is⦠we cannot avoid it. |
| 00:08.01 | _Kee | it's passive. |
| 00:08.06 | nevcairiel | yes you can, stop using the loot-a-rang =p |
| 00:08.29 | _Kee | that's just example (that even toy activates it). Any other skill also activates it. |
| 00:08.33 | _Kee | Including passive ones |
| 00:08.39 | foxlit | well, you're a playing a warlock |
| 00:08.41 | znf | what toy is that? O.o |
| 00:08.47 | foxlit | aggroging every bear is probably justified. |
| 00:09.14 | znf | oh, lol |
| 00:09.14 | znf | wow |
| 00:09.16 | znf | impressive |
| 00:10.22 | Gnarfoz | I'm still confused what's even going on |
| 00:10.38 | Gnarfoz | also, obligatory "nobody reads EU forums" comment |
| 00:11.03 | foxlit | eu doesn't even have a bug report forum. |
| 00:12.08 | Gnarfoz | use the ingame tool, they said |
| 00:12.08 | _Kee | I feel bad, and raid tommorow, and it's still not hotfixed. I think devs don't even know about it even it has been reported soooo many times⦠|
| 00:12.14 | Gnarfoz | nothing got fixed, we said |
| 00:12.46 | znf | maybe it doesn't actually work in raid |
| 00:13.03 | Gnarfoz | since I don't know what's going on, maybe I'm not getting why it's relevant for raids |
| 00:13.05 | znf | does it work in dungeons? |
| 00:13.14 | _Kee | yup, including mythic ones |
| 00:13.34 | znf | np, you're going to get banned |
| 00:13.55 | Gnarfoz | (also "sooo many times"... yeah. perception bias. I'm sure more people whined about something less interesting. :P) |
| 00:14.23 | _Kee | yeah⦠balance issues :/ |
| 00:14.31 | Gnarfoz | no, Pepe or something. |
| 00:15.13 | znf | our lord and saviour pepe |
| 00:15.49 | znf | All this power in Android Live Wallpapers, and people do shit with it :( |
| 00:16.49 | _Kee | all those hours on LFR farming Pepe toy⦠well, that was worth it. |
| 00:17.37 | znf | no idea what pepe toy you're talking about |
| 00:18.29 | _Kee | http://www.wowhead.com/item=122293/trans-dimensional-bird-whistle |
| 00:22.32 | znf | oh right |
| 00:22.35 | znf | that thing that I never did |
| 00:22.59 | znf | crap |
| 00:23.02 | znf | I played druid for the last hours |
| 00:23.05 | znf | can't priest now |
| 00:24.49 | Ressy | o.O |
| 00:25.46 | Gnarfoz | so, in summary, if I want a lot of purple swirlys, I should take affliction warlocks with me? |
| 00:27.06 | _Kee | yeah |
| 00:27.43 | znf | why's this grey?! http://i.imgur.com/LQVNp8w.png |
| 00:31.56 | nebula | i've only noticed that on kirin tor after the emissary quest is done |
| 00:34.50 | znf | yeah, and I tought it meant you can't get rep anymore for it |
| 00:47.06 | znf | those little fuckers that drop Legion Ammo have a really shitty drop rate and an even shittier spawn rate |
| 00:49.16 | znf | nebula, yeah, ok |
| 00:49.25 | znf | that quest didn't give out +rep |
| 00:49.53 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/ymj0SIW.png |
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| 04:53.24 | fewyn | aren't the world bosses in draenor supposed to switch weekly? |
| 05:00.11 | mfgmfg | faster than that i think |
| 05:02.56 | Corrodias | the rate of boss switches is growing aymptotically and is expected to approach the planck time in mid-2019 |
| 05:03.01 | Corrodias | *asymptotically |
| 05:03.59 | Corrodias | (this statement is meaningless, because something growing asymptotically is, by definition, always "approaching" its target, and the planck time is functionally the smallest discernible unit of time) |
| 05:04.09 | Corrodias | (this is my idea of humor) |
| 05:25.57 | Mr_Rabies | any new info on how artifact knowledge catch up works? |
| 05:26.09 | Mr_Rabies | seems like the goal is to eventually get everytone to the exact same timer |
| 05:36.12 | fewyn | i said in draenor |
| 05:36.27 | fewyn | not legion |
| 05:39.25 | Mr_Rabies | i think tarlna and drov either or can spawn each week, fewyn, but i don't think it rotates necessarily |
| 05:45.09 | fewyn | we did mythic 2 eye and vault |
| 05:45.11 | fewyn | eye was easy |
| 05:45.12 | fewyn | vault was not |
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| 06:36.46 | nevcairiel | honestly m+2 isnt that huge a difference over ordinary mythic, just 9% more life or so |
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| 06:39.35 | karl_w_w | I'm really loving this as my phone wallpaper http://www.imgbase.info/images/safe-wallpapers/anime/5_centimeters_per_second/23048_5_centimeters_per_second.jpg |
| 06:43.55 | LexSfX | ls-, somehow i doubt this: 7x [ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED] AddOn 'ls_Toasts' tried to call the protected function 'CompactPartyFrameMember1:Show()'. |
| 06:44.26 | LexSfX | karl_w_w: yeah, that's a great movie |
| 06:44.31 | LexSfX | i've seen it like 5 times |
| 06:44.47 | LexSfX | all that director's movies are great, that i've seen |
| 06:45.16 | ls- | LexSfX: even if you disable ls_toasts you'll eventually get this error, but w/ another addon's name there... :p |
| 06:45.22 | LexSfX | yeah :( |
| 06:45.37 | LexSfX | i can't seem to play with a green bugsack icon |
| 06:45.48 | LexSfX | there is ALWAYS an error no matter what i do |
| 06:46.03 | ls- | reasons are: a) I use default dropdown menus; b) i have in-game config :p |
| 06:46.23 | LexSfX | yeah, my own addons add their options menu to default config too |
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| 06:46.51 | LexSfX | should be fine, but Blizz messed up |
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| 06:47.24 | LexSfX | apparently mIRC closes the current window with alt-Z, which i accidentally pressed... lol |
| 06:47.37 | ls- | theoretically I could use some kind of dropdown lib, I've seen one... |
| 06:47.47 | LexSfX | dewdrop, waterfall |
| 06:47.49 | LexSfX | lol |
| 06:47.55 | LexSfX | idk what else |
| 06:48.01 | ls- | and move my config to a separate panel :p |
| 06:48.06 | ls- | but I don't wanna T_T |
| 06:48.14 | LexSfX | me neither |
| 06:48.23 | LexSfX | it's not just your addon affected |
| 06:48.34 | LexSfX | i have a scrolling list of addons in the interface addons options menu |
| 06:48.48 | ls- | yeah, that's why it doesn't bother me :p |
| 06:49.05 | LexSfX | Blizz just needs to fix it ASAP |
| 06:49.13 | LexSfX | hotfix even |
| 06:50.12 | ls- | ahahaha |
| 06:50.44 | ls- | it's been this way since forever, and will be this way till wow dies :D |
| 06:52.00 | LexSfX | it can't have been, as i have had addons with options menus in that addons options menu for a long time now |
| 06:52.13 | LexSfX | and only recently have i been unable to get 0 errors in bugsack |
| 06:52.35 | LexSfX | and no random lag spikes when mousing over abilities on my bars |
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| 06:58.10 | ls- | well, compact frame taint appeared in Cata... |
| 07:01.21 | Shockah|Work | is there a way to ignore specific errors anyway, like the compact frame taints? |
| 07:01.38 | LexSfX | you can just have them go into bugsack |
| 07:01.40 | ls- | as for fps drops when you mouse over abilities, that's a new one, there might be few reason why it happens... I had one until I optimised my textures as much as I could, I had to make them really really lightweight... |
| 07:01.42 | LexSfX | so that sort of ignores them |
| 07:02.30 | Shockah|Work | LexSfX, i'm annoyed just by the fact they go into BugSack :S |
| 07:02.35 | LexSfX | the weirdest thing about those lag spikes is they only happen late into a session |
| 07:02.39 | Shockah|Work | the icon going red makes me annoyed |
| 07:02.48 | Shockah|Work | i even turned error sound off in BugSack |
| 07:02.51 | Shockah|Work | still annoys me |
| 07:02.52 | LexSfX | they usually don't happen when i've been logged in for half an hour, for example |
| 07:02.57 | LexSfX | and they don't go away once they've appeared |
| 07:03.28 | LexSfX | Shockah|Work: the icon going red annoys me only if it actually affects my UI's performance |
| 07:03.59 | LexSfX | but that is happening, so i am annoyed... but trying to figure it out! |
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| 07:43.54 | VIad | 5 cm p/s is one of my friends alltime favorites |
| 07:44.25 | VIad | I think it flew a bit over my head when I watched it back in the day, should give it a rewatch |
| 07:50.35 | VIad | like some things I feel are just overly artzy, like neon genesis evangelion |
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| 07:59.59 | bluspacecow | seems odd to archeology dig site dig in combat |
| 08:00.36 | VIad | I dig in combat |
| 08:00.48 | bluspacecow | thats cause |
| 08:00.48 | VIad | pull the mobs in the area, sigil of misery, dig FFA for 30 seconds |
| 08:00.52 | bluspacecow | your a groovy guy |
| 08:00.55 | bluspacecow | can you dig it ? |
| 08:01.03 | VIad | dig420 |
| 08:01.12 | bluspacecow | YEAH! |
| 08:01.44 | VIad | my boss brought me some HAP this morning |
| 08:02.09 | VIad | huge ass pear |
| 08:02.14 | VIad | iterally size of my fist |
| 08:02.17 | VIad | and I have big hands |
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| 10:00.20 | Torhal | [01:47:47] LexSfX:dewdrop, waterfall <-- What year is this? |
| 10:00.29 | LexSfX | lol |
| 10:00.39 | LexSfX | those are just ones i remembered off the top of my head |
| 10:00.48 | LexSfX | what's the superior library nowadays? |
| 10:01.09 | Torhal | Nobody uses dropdowns unless they have to these days, so UIDropDownMenu. |
| 10:01.12 | Torhal | >.> |
| 10:01.38 | LexSfX | hmm. lots of addons i've seen use dropdowns |
| 10:02.04 | Torhal | Ok, nobody sane. |
| 10:02.06 | Torhal | >.> |
| 10:02.09 | LexSfX | what would you use if you had to use a dropdown and didn't want to encounter the current taint? |
| 10:02.22 | ls- | well, I use them for my config :p |
| 10:02.38 | LexSfX | ls- has a cool addon, too! |
| 10:02.43 | Torhal | yeah, I have some in my config as well. COnfigs aren't used all the time, though. |
| 10:02.59 | Torhal | And you basically have to make sure the first, what is it? Eight? Slots are used by the default UI first. |
| 10:02.59 | nevcairiel | some people dont create config frames lazily though |
| 10:03.28 | Torhal | The slot info may be somewhat dated. |
| 10:03.42 | LexSfX | anyway, is there even a library that does it? |
| 10:03.50 | LexSfX | that's not dewdrop or waterfall :P |
| 10:04.08 | Torhal | https://www.wowace.com/addons/libdropdown-1-0/ <-- I've never used it. |
| 10:04.09 | nevcairiel | AceGUI has a dropdown widget one might use as a replacement, i'm sure there are others more "stand-alone" |
| 10:04.19 | LexSfX | Ace-3.0? |
| 10:04.22 | LexSfX | ok |
| 10:04.34 | LexSfX | AceGUI-3.0 i mean |
| 10:04.55 | LexSfX | well if it's in Ace, that's something useful |
| 10:05.00 | LexSfX | as pretty much everyone has Ace |
| 10:05.25 | Torhal | Not really. There are still some politicos from years back who refuse. |
| 10:05.53 | LexSfX | can you elaborate? |
| 10:06.00 | LexSfX | what's the motivation for avoiding Ace? |
| 10:06.07 | nevcairiel | some people think its evil |
| 10:06.09 | Torhal | Nah, don't care to rehash almost decade-old drama. |
| 10:06.12 | LexSfX | fair enough |
| 10:06.18 | nevcairiel | but those people are usually stuck in Ace2-times |
| 10:06.36 | nevcairiel | where everything was intertwined and basically required you to use everything or nothing |
| 10:06.42 | nevcairiel | but that was a long time ago |
| 10:07.09 | LexSfX | aye. slowly until about 2013, fewer and fewer addons required Ace2 until i was finally able to remove it |
| 10:07.18 | LexSfX | i remember this happening |
| 10:07.35 | nevcairiel | we did work a lot to motivate people to port to ace3 or port stuff ourselves |
| 10:07.37 | nevcairiel | was good to get rid of it |
| 10:07.47 | LexSfX | cool |
| 10:08.35 | LexSfX | so ls-, there you go |
| 10:08.40 | LexSfX | try AceGUI-3.0 maybe |
| 10:08.58 | LexSfX | but then again, still have to use the Blizzard interface options frame |
| 10:09.08 | Torhal | No? |
| 10:09.28 | LexSfX | true, no, but to "fit in" with what users expect currently |
| 10:09.29 | Torhal | Some completely eschew it, others have an entry there but with a button that launches a standalone. |
| 10:09.55 | LexSfX | but does the entry there still cause the taint, even if it's just with 1 button? |
| 10:10.03 | Torhal | Though I'm not sure how that would avoid the config taint. |
| 10:10.08 | Torhal | Exactly. |
| 10:10.22 | ls- | LexSfX: I dunno why you're trying to push me to "fix" that taint :p |
| 10:10.25 | LexSfX | i'm not |
| 10:10.28 | LexSfX | you were curious |
| 10:10.33 | LexSfX | so i was interested in finding out |
| 10:10.59 | ls- | I wasn't :p I know about Ace* libs and shit... I'm not using them though, cuz there's no need to do so.. |
| 10:11.00 | LexSfX | i don't want to rush anyone to do anything open-source. it's all voluntary and all that |
| 10:13.13 | LexSfX | besides, the best work is intrinsically-motivated anyway |
| 10:14.42 | ls- | true, or monetarily compensated :p |
| 10:14.46 | ls- | aka paid |
| 10:14.47 | LexSfX | right |
| 10:23.29 | ls- | I think I should stop farming garrisons on my chars T_T |
| 10:27.25 | modernis_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.28 | modernis_ | save your sanity |
| 10:27.33 | modernis_ | lose it to world quests instead |
| 10:27.39 | ls- | ahaha |
| 10:27.43 | ls- | doing both rn T_T |
| 10:28.26 | ls- | farming garrison on 6 chars is a bit tiresome :( |
| 10:28.40 | modernis_ | discord is pretty great but jesus christ is the invite/account management process a mess |
| 10:29.06 | ls- | I've never used discord T_T |
| 10:30.46 | Shockah|Work | do it |
| 10:30.50 | Shockah|Work | it's great |
| 10:31.23 | modernis_ | yeah its very good |
| 10:31.49 | modernis_ | they just need to move their log out button from two pop-up menus deep |
| 10:32.08 | modernis_ | annnnnnd maybe change it from a "<" icon with no alt text |
| 10:32.44 | ls- | Shockah|Work: but for what? T_T |
| 10:32.51 | Shockah|Work | for your guild? i don't know |
| 10:32.55 | modernis_ | raids |
| 10:32.59 | modernis_ | showing people your penis |
| 10:33.05 | modernis_ | whatever you do in your time |
| 10:34.24 | ls- | well, I have no guild rn :p and whenever I do anything w/ my friends, we use skype conf O_o |
| 10:34.38 | znf | ew skype |
| 10:34.42 | znf | you skype people disgust me |
| 10:35.13 | modernist | if slack is irc, then discord is irc but with the option to yell into your microphone |
| 10:35.25 | znf | it has a mute! |
| 10:35.48 | ls- | znf: skype ftw :p |
| 10:35.52 | Shockah|Work | ls-, we all moved to Discord |
| 10:35.54 | Shockah|Work | from Skype |
| 10:36.09 | Shockah|Work | we all uninstalled it after seeing how great Discord is |
| 10:36.09 | Xuerian | Pretty much. |
| 10:36.41 | ls- | well, I use skype for work :p majority of my friends do so too.. |
| 10:36.45 | Shockah|Work | i now have to get my raid leader to use Discord, but he's stubborn as fuck, clinging to his TeamSpeak server |
| 10:36.56 | ls- | well, TS is old... |
| 10:36.57 | Shockah|Work | get everyone to Discord |
| 10:37.09 | Xuerian | TS3 still works great. Just not for chat. |
| 10:37.14 | Shockah|Work | ^^^^^ |
| 10:37.48 | Xuerian | Discord could use some advanced voice features to start edging in on TS3/mumble, too |
| 10:37.51 | modernist | also discord has that sweet sweet investor money |
| 10:37.54 | Xuerian | Though expect CV to get there first probably.. |
| 10:38.07 | Xuerian | It's a little better on the admin side |
| 10:38.40 | znf | Why does everyone say bad things about teamspeak? |
| 10:38.44 | znf | teamspeak3 is fucking awesome |
| 10:38.53 | Shockah|Work | i'm fine with TeamSpeak |
| 10:39.05 | ls- | there's no way to convince clients, ex-coworkers, etc to use discord, we couldn't even use anything but web-skype at work, cuz everything else was prohibited :p |
| 10:39.06 | Shockah|Work | but i'd rather have persistent chat without being forced to be online at all times |
| 10:39.19 | Shockah|Work | also basic text formatting is great |
| 10:39.34 | Shockah|Work | pinning messages |
| 10:39.39 | Shockah|Work | pinging everyone or specific groups |
| 10:39.50 | ls- | we couldn't use mobile phones at work either :p |
| 10:39.57 | ls- | so skype is the best thingy for me.. |
| 10:40.01 | Shockah|Work | Discord works via web anyway |
| 10:40.13 | Shockah|Work | including voice chat |
| 10:40.16 | modernist | for the record, pinging everyone is ANNOYING |
| 10:40.21 | Shockah|Work | everyone yes |
| 10:40.32 | Shockah|Work | usually if i have to, i do @here |
| 10:40.34 | Xuerian | Thankfully it's both a server-side permission and client-side disableable feature |
| 10:40.40 | Shockah|Work | but it's on small servers |
| 10:40.41 | modernist | @everyone hey guys im eating a taco |
| 10:40.46 | modernist | uh, cool |
| 10:40.54 | modernist | thanks for the email notificatio |
| 10:40.56 | Shockah|Work | other than that i try to be specific with @role_name |
| 10:41.08 | Shockah|Work | also made a bot for myself |
| 10:41.10 | LexSfX | yet discord sucks compared to mumble because it's proprietary |
| 10:41.25 | Shockah|Work | all it does is allowing me to do !here_role or whatever |
| 10:41.34 | Shockah|Work | automatically pinging everyone online from a role |
| 10:41.47 | Shockah|Work | and only online |
| 10:42.08 | Xuerian | LexSfX: Well, one day Mumble (or Tox or whatever) will have a modern chat system, and then we won't have all the advantages outweighing the reasonable concerns :p |
| 10:43.24 | ls- | in my case, we had to use web-skype at work, so our admins could log and monitor all our conversations :p |
| 10:43.58 | ls- | to avoid info leaks ofc... |
| 10:44.23 | ls- | #justrnddeptthings |
| 10:45.29 | Simca | skype is godawful |
| 10:45.41 | znf | yes |
| 10:45.50 | Simca | i was so happy when we moved to slack for work, just amazingly happy |
| 10:45.57 | Shockah|Work | ^^^^ |
| 10:45.57 | Shockah|Work | this |
| 10:46.05 | znf | LexSfX, call me when the fuck Mumble gets their retarded permission system in check |
| 10:46.18 | LexSfX | :o |
| 10:46.28 | LexSfX | what's wrong with it? i ran a mumble server and loved its intuition |
| 10:46.41 | LexSfX | does it have a bug? |
| 10:46.51 | Simca | it's not nearly as intuitive as something like discord |
| 10:47.02 | Simca | which is basically push button receive chat server |
| 10:47.18 | ls- | wish we used slack at work, but no one cared about it, everything worked fine as it's :p |
| 10:47.23 | Simca | the ease of use is what kills casual mumble use |
| 10:49.06 | LexSfX | i've used vent, skype, teamspeak, gtalk, tox, curse, discord and slack, and mumble is the one i prefer of all those personally |
| 10:49.09 | LexSfX | but to each their own |
| 10:49.43 | znf | The issues with Mumble: |
| 10:49.56 | znf | It's a product that I would like to say it's tailored towards gamers |
| 10:50.00 | znf | But: it looks like shit |
| 10:50.19 | LexSfX | huh? it has a compact interface. it's those giant bloaty programs that look like shit |
| 10:50.32 | znf | has a shitty permission system, that only people who are familiar with ACLs and inheritance can grasp it right away |
| 10:50.36 | LexSfX | like discord obviously looks like shit if you're used to the customizability of IRC clients, for example |
| 10:50.54 | znf | the certificate system is bullshit, leading to all of the weird issues of "hey guys, I reinstalled windows, now I can't connect to mumble anymore" |
| 10:51.08 | LexSfX | yes, and your guild leader should be smart enough to handle understanding simple permission inheritance |
| 10:51.20 | LexSfX | if they're not, you're gonna have a bad time in raids/pvp... lol |
| 10:51.22 | znf | It has no working overlay that works on 64bit and dx11 |
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| 10:52.36 | Simca | znf's got a good point about the cert system too |
| 10:52.37 | LexSfX | i told my guild members to save their certificates to an external USB drive, and that worked just fine. i told them it's like a file that acts as your password instead of a password, and they all understood that |
| 10:52.38 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy) |
| 10:52.45 | LexSfX | it's really not bad |
| 10:53.04 | znf | It's not intuitive |
| 10:53.07 | Simca | it's got so many more steps to proper usability than something like discord though |
| 10:53.22 | Simca | that is the hurdle between mumble and mainstream adoption |
| 10:53.43 | LexSfX | well, the best technology should win for pro players |
| 10:53.54 | Simca | ok |
| 10:53.55 | znf | I don't need to fucking have a class of "how to use our voice chat system" every week to every new person in the guild |
| 10:54.44 | LexSfX | then don't |
| 10:54.52 | LexSfX | simply don't use people who can't grasp mumble |
| 10:54.58 | LexSfX | it's really not a difficult program |
| 10:55.25 | znf | <LexSfX> simply don't use people who can't grasp mumble |
| 10:55.26 | znf | slap yourself |
| 10:55.29 | Simca | how many other programs do you use on a regular basis that require security certificates in a non-professional context? |
| 10:55.54 | LexSfX | i ran a guild for 2 years in MoP and we used mumble the whole time |
| 10:55.57 | Simca | for me, the answer is 0. |
| 10:55.57 | LexSfX | worked quite nicely |
| 10:56.14 | LexSfX | firefox |
| 10:56.21 | Simca | I use mumble now for my guild and have since MoP |
| 10:56.22 | LexSfX | git/ssh |
| 10:56.36 | znf | yeah, I used mumble too, that doesn't mean I didn't have issues with it |
| 10:56.44 | znf | the name registration/certificat one was the most common one |
| 10:56.47 | Simca | exactly |
| 10:56.56 | znf | oh, and one more |
| 10:56.59 | znf | you put a server password |
| 10:57.15 | znf | but it asks you the password /after/ you hit connect |
| 10:57.21 | Simca | yep |
| 10:57.22 | znf | our password was "banana" |
| 10:57.32 | LexSfX | we didn't use a server password; just certificates |
| 10:57.34 | znf | can you imagine how many bananas we had in mumble every time we got new people? |
| 10:57.38 | Simca | yep |
| 10:57.40 | LexSfX | it's made that way to discourage using a password also |
| 10:57.56 | Simca | a purposefully shitty UI element? |
| 10:58.03 | Simca | that's the dumbest idea i have ever heard |
| 10:58.16 | LexSfX | using a password is an inferior system to certificates |
| 10:58.24 | znf | honestly, stop defending it |
| 10:58.27 | Simca | but what about when you don't care about security |
| 10:58.38 | LexSfX | then you just let anyone in |
| 10:58.41 | Simca | what about when it is 4 friends talking about subjects that require 0 security |
| 10:58.51 | znf | no, a password is good for the random fly-by you get in voice chats |
| 10:59.06 | znf | people joining a random server and being disruptive |
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| 10:59.35 | znf | I don't need 2048 bits security for that |
| 11:02.09 | Simca | idk, if we were forced to reevaluate our choice of voice chat for some reason, I can pretty solidly say we wouldn't use mumble again. it's not bad, it's just inconvenient. it's like it was made for an audience that barely exists: hyper-security-focused gamers. |
| 11:03.01 | LexSfX | or just smart gamers who want to use the best technology available |
| 11:03.26 | LexSfX | and also want the ability to have it improved by anyone |
| 11:03.46 | LexSfX | proprietary software can be good, but it can never be better than its company |
| 11:03.51 | Kalroth | doesn't mumble come with defaults that you can just use? |
| 11:04.40 | Simca | the problem with open source software in an environment flooded with competitive proprietary software can often be that development is not very motivated |
| 11:05.13 | Simca | or that it focuses development of the program into weird niches where the proprietary software doesn't fill |
| 11:05.16 | ls- | and UIs often are shit... |
| 11:05.42 | LexSfX | i still disagree about the mumble UI being shit. the only shitty thing about it is its name and the awkward "lips" icon imo... lol |
| 11:06.05 | LexSfX | which seems to be gone, thankfully |
| 11:06.05 | Gnarfoz | Mumble is the stereotypical program designed by programmers |
| 11:06.11 | Gnarfoz | instead of designers |
| 11:06.34 | Seeker` | WHO DOES THIS? WHY? http://i.imgur.com/zKvMXjE.png |
| 11:06.51 | LexSfX | Zaldraktus, obviously |
| 11:06.55 | Gnarfoz | (which, as already stated above, stymies adoption. which, granted, might not be a goal.) |
| 11:07.02 | Seeker` | LexSfX: And Spitfiré |
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| 11:07.20 | Gnarfoz | Do what, post auctions? |
| 11:07.30 | Seeker` | I asked Spitfiré and he said he did it because he needs the gold fast |
| 11:07.36 | Seeker` | Gnarfoz: look at the buyout per item price |
| 11:07.38 | Simca | i think it's the level of undercut that has him upset |
| 11:07.54 | Gnarfoz | so... buy it, relist |
| 11:07.57 | Gnarfoz | if you think that matters |
| 11:08.13 | Simca | (it's not even a 10% undercut) |
| 11:08.19 | LexSfX | i post auctions ridiculously lower when i feel like the item shouldn't be ridiculously expensive, because i hate price gouging. i know it ends up being bought shortly after and re-set higher, but i don't care. it's the principle of it! |
| 11:08.27 | Simca | lol |
| 11:08.28 | Seeker` | 419g -> 350g over the course of 2 undercuts |
| 11:08.37 | Gnarfoz | So...? |
| 11:08.48 | Gnarfoz | if you think that's a problem, take advantage of it |
| 11:08.51 | Gnarfoz | otherwise, where's the issue |
| 11:08.52 | LexSfX | yes, exactly |
| 11:09.00 | foxlit | Didn't you hear? You're officially obligated to undercut by 1c and 1c only. |
| 11:09.01 | Gnarfoz | not everyone and their mom is a professional AH player |
| 11:09.11 | Gnarfoz | foxlit:Â oh, I must have missed that memo |
| 11:09.16 | Gnarfoz | let me get right on that |
| 11:09.20 | aelen | I really hate the auction house, but I decided to only level one character this time around, so all I have is gathering |
| 11:09.28 | Kalroth | i used to undercut all the time, mainly because people bitched about it :P |
| 11:09.35 | Seeker` | The issue is that people would buy it for 420g. I've either got to spend 4x the crafting cost on buying out other people (and have to sell all of it to break even) or lose out on 70g per item |
| 11:09.36 | aelen | so I'm kinda dependent on it now to make money and get gems and flasks etc |
| 11:09.36 | Gnarfoz | also, who says that's only 2 undercuts. you might not have seen the auctions that were posted in the mean time and got sold/canceled |
| 11:09.49 | Kalroth | can't be arsed with min/max AH |
| 11:09.58 | Gnarfoz | Seeker`:Â no, you could also list at the price you think is right and wait until the cheap stuff is gone. |
| 11:10.07 | aelen | the main thing that annoys the shit out of me is everyone placing all crafting reagents in stacks of one... |
| 11:10.11 | Simca | true |
| 11:10.16 | Gnarfoz | aelen:Â thank Blizzard for that |
| 11:10.27 | Gnarfoz | if they hadn't made their base UI capable of that, it'd be less of an issue |
| 11:10.34 | aelen | yeah that's true |
| 11:10.41 | Gnarfoz | with a single click, too |
| 11:10.48 | Simca | if you really think the current price is too low, post above the minimum |
| 11:10.54 | Simca | the cheap things will get bought out |
| 11:10.55 | aelen | I just prefer selling in stacks - but it's impossible to figure out what my stack price should be if I can't possibly find the other stacks haha |
| 11:10.59 | Simca | and yours will be on the front lines again soon |
| 11:11.00 | ls- | well, stack of 1 is quite handy sometimes... it shouldn't be removed |
| 11:11.27 | Gnarfoz | 800 stacks of 1 are an issue, though |
| 11:11.30 | aelen | I agree that stacks of 1 are fine, but not for those fairly common items, it's annoying |
| 11:11.32 | Gnarfoz | at least with the current incarnation of the AH |
| 11:11.39 | Kalroth | Gnarfoz, click harder! |
| 11:11.43 | aelen | yeah, like even if they were stacked by 5 or 10, it would already be much handier |
| 11:11.49 | Gnarfoz | Kalroth:Â do you even autohotkey, m8 |
| 11:11.59 | Kalroth | aelen, like 5 to 10 times handier |
| 11:12.01 | Seeker` | Gnarfoz: it is only 2 undercuts, unless stuff has been listed / sold in the few minutes between scans, but anything in my previous scan stayed unsold |
| 11:12.09 | aelen | I guess it doesn't help that I don't have any AH addons at al |
| 11:12.11 | Seeker` | Gnarfoz: adn the problem is more people undercutting |
| 11:12.11 | aelen | all * |
| 11:12.23 | Simca | Seeker`: then the market wasn't at a stable price |
| 11:12.33 | Gnarfoz | oh noes, those poor people who don't know/don't care about other prices, most likely because they don't use an addon. |
| 11:12.37 | Seeker` | yes it was |
| 11:12.39 | znf | even with an addon |
| 11:12.44 | znf | you still need to click 800 times |
| 11:12.49 | Simca | people undercutting cannot drive a long-term market price |
| 11:12.53 | Gnarfoz | (easy to spot, look at the bid price, that looks very much like the base UI's work) |
| 11:12.58 | Simca | it ultimately falls back to supply and demand |
| 11:13.00 | aelen | yeah but the scanning becomes much easier with an addon |
| 11:13.11 | aelen | now I have to page through god knows how many pages in order to get to the stacks |
| 11:13.25 | LexSfX | the AH was nice to use in wotlk |
| 11:13.25 | aelen | I try to sell on trade chat as much as possible, but I'm not exactly on the most lively realm |
| 11:13.27 | Seeker` | it was stable until some people decided to follow the terribly bad "If i undercut more it'll sell quicker"! logic |
| 11:13.53 | Simca | it's not always bad logic. |
| 11:13.53 | Kalroth | why is that terribly bad? |
| 11:13.58 | Kalroth | it will sell quicker |
| 11:14.00 | Gnarfoz | you are not entitled to arbitrary profits, Seeker`. adapt to what's happening or don't, but the other people are not *wrong* because they don't sell the way you want |
| 11:14.08 | znf | I undercut if I feel like it's too expensive |
| 11:14.15 | znf | if an item is 4k |
| 11:14.19 | znf | and I feel like that's too expensive |
| 11:14.21 | znf | I'll do 2.5k |
| 11:14.21 | Simca | on the second day of legion, I got an 835 epic ring, 2 were up for 95k and 100k |
| 11:14.22 | znf | sue me |
| 11:14.24 | znf | don't give a fuck |
| 11:14.27 | LexSfX | znf: same! :) |
| 11:14.29 | aelen | does anyone here know how the `GetMinimapShape` function works that is found in various minimap addons? |
| 11:14.37 | ls- | hopefully we'll get sort by price per item in 7.1 |
| 11:14.39 | Gnarfoz | this AH really needs a replacement. still the same 2004 system, could do with some work order system like GW2 and WS have |
| 11:14.42 | Simca | sold mine for 80k instantly |
| 11:14.49 | Simca | 2 weeks later, same epic is like 3k |
| 11:15.01 | Simca | market crashes on epics fast, undercutting is the only way to get sales |
| 11:15.15 | Simca | so the logic isn't always terrible. |
| 11:15.27 | aelen | I've only been playing for about a week again after a long break, so I've only been able to make around 80k so far, off of gathering materials |
| 11:15.28 | Kalroth | but how can you play the market if there are other players that do not follow your rules?? |
| 11:15.42 | aelen | I always have been piss-poor at making money in this game though, haha |
| 11:15.55 | ls- | Kalroth: adapt :p |
| 11:16.05 | Kalroth | what if i dont want to adapt?? |
| 11:16.10 | ls- | quite |
| 11:16.13 | ls- | quit* |
| 11:16.29 | Kalroth | what if i dont want to quit?? |
| 11:16.37 | Simca | idk, I made over a million gold in cata and never had to come to places to complain about undercutting. i set minimums, if the market went below my minimums, i would just wait. it would either come back up, or it wouldn't and i would sell other things that were more profitable. |
| 11:16.56 | ls- | it's an MMO, so you have to adapt, ortherwise quit :p |
| 11:17.05 | LexSfX | aelen: useful info about that: https://www.wowace.com/addons/sexymap/tickets/30-add-support-for-get-minimap-shape/ |
| 11:17.19 | aelen | LexSfX: thank you, going to have a read! :) |
| 11:17.20 | Simca | i would often buy undercut things too if i was confident about the market price |
| 11:17.22 | LexSfX | yw |
| 11:17.45 | Simca | for example, red gems in cata were ridiculously desired, if you undercut on those, i could easily just buy and repost at my market price |
| 11:18.28 | LexSfX | aelen: LaoTseu's GetMinimapShape seems to make sense. check what the addon you use has in it |
| 11:19.31 | LexSfX | aelen: here's chinchilla's: http://lex.clansfx.co.uk/dump/5400a97c2b25c3dd8a9b037905a04b33/000001A5.txt |
| 11:19.56 | aelen | LexSfX: yeah I was just looking at QuseMap and LynMinimap for example, they both implemented it even though it was not referenced anywhere else in the code |
| 11:20.08 | aelen | that's why I was curious, I kinda expected it to be used by other addons |
| 11:20.10 | LexSfX | it is a community map addon decision |
| 11:20.35 | Gnarfoz | I wonder what the chances are of getting a real AH replacement, soon, or even ever |
| 11:20.37 | LexSfX | pretty cool collaborative effort :) |
| 11:20.54 | aelen | yeah indeed, very nice |
| 11:21.20 | aelen | I want some very simple modifications to my map, just to make it rectangular with a border, so wanted to whip something up in Lua myself |
| 11:21.28 | Simca | Gnarfoz: it would be nice to be able to buy lowest X |
| 11:21.34 | ls- | Gnarfoz: ask blizz guys here :p |
| 11:21.35 | Simca | even if it was just on crafting mats |
| 11:21.39 | aelen | I've coded an oUF layout before, so shouldn't be too difficult |
| 11:22.02 | Simca | i'd be fine if they kept crafted goods and gear on the old system, but the '1 stack' problem is pretty horrid for mats |
| 11:22.14 | aelen | yeah, it really blows |
| 11:22.21 | aelen | but the thing is, there are some mats for which it makes more sense |
| 11:22.35 | aelen | like if you need 1 felwort, or 1 infernal brimstone or whatever |
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| 11:22.53 | ls- | yeah, it's really random... |
| 11:23.05 | Simca | sure, but modern MMOs work around it by removing the concept of stack size altogether on mats |
| 11:23.06 | aelen | so it's difficult to have a sweeping rule that will forbid posting stacks of 1 for mats outright |
| 11:23.07 | LexSfX | aelen: i like chinchilla for minimap. i use it to make my minimap a simple square with no visual frills, plus zoom and move ability |
| 11:23.23 | Simca | you post a certain number of mats, but people can buy any number out of that without buying the whole auction |
| 11:23.32 | aelen | LexSfX: yeah, I know there's a ton of addons that do it, but I', a developer by nature - you know how it is haha |
| 11:23.46 | Gnarfoz | ls-:Â what I mean is beyond just UI. a buy/sell order system like GW2 & WS have needs a proper design |
| 11:23.55 | hbo | hey guys.. i need some help. how to align the interface in a proper way? (unit frames on the same height) |
| 11:24.02 | aelen | just want the most minimal amount of code I need to achieve the layout |
| 11:24.34 | LexSfX | aelen: in this case, i don't. i think that chinchilla is so well-maintained and beautiful a project that as a developer, i like using its well-crafted code in my UI |
| 11:24.35 | aelen | since what I want, I feel, is super basic |
| 11:24.42 | Gnarfoz | hbo:Â there's helper addons like "Align" and "GraphPaper" |
| 11:24.44 | LexSfX | i don't like reinvention of the wheel |
| 11:25.10 | Xuerian | To each their own |
| 11:25.15 | Gnarfoz | Chinchilla isn't a wheel, though, it's a heptagon |
| 11:25.26 | Simca | kappa |
| 11:25.32 | aelen | that's fair enough - I've only looked at QuseMap (which is horribly outdated and the code is disgusting) and LynMinimap, which looks really nice but is not maintained as a separate addon |
| 11:25.35 | Gnarfoz | or a wheelbarrow with a kitchen sink in it. pick your analogy. :D |
| 11:25.35 | hbo | Gnarfoz: thx |
| 11:25.59 | aelen | I have used chinchilla in the past though and could achieve what I wanted with it, but I'm after a rectangular minimap now - is it capable of that as well? |
| 11:26.00 | Gnarfoz | ...that is, if there's still ckk code left in it ;P |
| 11:26.12 | aelen | haha |
| 11:27.07 | LexSfX | aelen: rectangular? as in a non-square rectangle? the visual area provided by Blizzard is a square |
| 11:27.09 | ls- | Gnarfoz: tbh, I don't remember anything about AH system in WS T_T |
| 11:27.29 | LexSfX | i'm not sure if it can do that |
| 11:27.41 | LexSfX | it would have to hide information though |
| 11:27.47 | aelen | LexSfX: yeah, I'm aware, but there's various addons that do it (with a mask), so wanted to give it a shot |
| 11:28.03 | aelen | I'll have to see if it's worth it though, of course |
| 11:29.23 | aelen | one thing that really bugs me about interfaces in wow though, is that it's quite difficult to make a pixel-perfect layout on any monitor with a higher than 2560x1200 resolution |
| 11:29.53 | aelen | I have one that is 2560x1440, so pixel borders sometimes look really shit if they're rendered on a subpixel |
| 11:30.11 | aelen | I was really hoping they would do something about that by making the native UI higher res or something |
| 11:30.45 | Xuerian | Just use UI Scale. kappa |
| 11:30.56 | Gnarfoz | ls-:Â if you even remember WS at all, you're already part of a minority |
| 11:31.03 | LexSfX | aelen: i just checked, and chinchilla doesn't seem to be able to set a non-square rectangular shape |
| 11:31.14 | Simca | it took me all this time to realize WS was wildstar |
| 11:31.20 | Xuerian | PEPPERRIDGE FARM REMEMBERS |
| 11:31.28 | ls- | Gnarfoz: I still log in sometimes, lol |
| 11:31.40 | Gnarfoz | an even smaller minority! |
| 11:31.42 | Xuerian | PEPPERIDGE (one R) ALWAYS REMEMBERS |
| 11:31.57 | Gnarfoz | PEPERIDGE REMEMBERS |
| 11:32.08 | Gnarfoz | peperidge's homepage is wowhead.com |
| 11:32.12 | Xuerian | rants about transmog and scaling and telegraphs and |
| 11:32.19 | ls- | remembers... |
| 11:32.28 | Gnarfoz | I remember you... IN THE MOUNTAINS |
| 11:32.36 | Simca | i don't understand the pepe thing |
| 11:32.44 | ls- | which pepe? |
| 11:32.47 | ls- | frog or bird? |
| 11:32.50 | Simca | bird |
| 11:32.53 | Gnarfoz | there's a pepe frog? |
| 11:32.54 | Simca | but i use twitter like once a month so maybe that is why i missed out |
| 11:33.00 | Gnarfoz | no, you're fine, Simca |
| 11:33.04 | Xuerian | what |
| 11:33.13 | Gnarfoz | it's just another unhealthy obsession :P |
| 11:33.19 | Simca | yeah, it's the one in the FeelsBadMan emote on twitch |
| 11:33.24 | Simca | (the frog) |
| 11:33.24 | ls- | http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/913/373/efd.jpg dis one |
| 11:33.38 | Gnarfoz | he's called pepe? TIL |
| 11:33.44 | ls- | dis one is w/ a gun though... |
| 11:33.45 | ls- | yeah |
| 11:33.48 | Kalroth | a rare pepe! |
| 11:34.01 | Gnarfoz | still better than trying to give /everything/ a pepe spin |
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| 11:34.24 | Xuerian | are you people even from the internet |
| 11:34.25 | Gnarfoz | pepe is an old god, pepe is immortal (he appears in Suramar paintings), pepe this, pepe that :D |
| 11:34.38 | Gnarfoz | it gets a little bit tiresome ^^ |
| 11:34.46 | Xuerian | did they turn on irc in the old folks' home |
| 11:34.50 | Kalroth | pepe trump |
| 11:34.55 | Gnarfoz | IRC is an old folks' home |
| 11:34.59 | Simca | ^ |
| 11:35.00 | Xuerian | well. |
| 11:35.01 | ls- | ^^^ |
| 11:35.04 | Xuerian | I guess that's not wrong |
| 11:35.20 | Gnarfoz | y'all new kids with them discords and such |
| 11:35.37 | Gnarfoz | probably run by the NSA |
| 11:36.00 | ls- | we talked about it ~1 hour ago :p |
| 11:36.07 | ls- | and I still use skype, lol |
| 11:36.17 | ls- | probably run by NSA anyway... |
| 11:36.22 | aelen | Xuerian: yeah I tried that sometime ago, but all the default frames become so tiny, I guess one way to fix that would be to use an ADDON_LOADED event as the frames load |
| 11:36.24 | Simca | well i certainly wouldn't use it if you had problems with chat metadata aggregation |
| 11:36.28 | Simca | although |
| 11:36.37 | Gnarfoz | data and metadata, probably ^^ |
| 11:36.42 | Simca | that happens in basically every public chat channel on the entire internet |
| 11:37.05 | aelen | but basically it comes down to doing UIParent:SetScale(768/1440), right? |
| 11:37.21 | ls- | that's why I don't use social media... |
| 11:37.27 | Gnarfoz | hm, they have tencent as invenstors. should totally spin that as Wowhead peddling discord because it's financed by their owners |
| 11:37.27 | LexSfX | i wonder if i'm the only shaman who wants to do more Puzzlemaster Lo puzzles |
| 11:37.31 | LexSfX | i liked that thing |
| 11:37.33 | aelen | since the game doesn't let you scale lower than 0.64 |
| 11:37.43 | Gnarfoz | that'll go well, I'm sure. |
| 11:37.53 | Simca | meh |
| 11:37.55 | aelen | or does it allow it nowadays? :p |
| 11:38.21 | nevcairiel | you can manually trick it by setting UIParent scale i think, but not through the cvar |
| 11:38.32 | Simca | maybe, maybe not, Gnarfoz, hard to say with tencent |
| 11:38.36 | Gnarfoz | I'll try and remember that when, inevitably, MMOC gets accused of pushing Curse :D |
| 11:38.40 | Xuerian | aelen: The kappa is because unless do you some magic it wrecks pixel-perfection |
| 11:38.53 | aelen | Xuerian: how do you mean? |
| 11:38.56 | Simca | sometimes they want to micromanage everything |
| 11:39.05 | Simca | sometimes they leave you alone forever like you don't exist |
| 11:39.10 | aelen | nevcairiel: yeah, so what I just said I guess, as soon as some addon loads |
| 11:39.23 | Gnarfoz | Simca:Â hehe, yeah... only half-serious, just still struggling to just forget and move on with the whole wowhead good, everyone else evil thing ;) |
| 11:40.12 | ls- | encent is a nice company |
| 11:40.17 | ls- | T* |
| 11:40.28 | Simca | nobody sees the reality: there is no good and evil, there is only ad revenue. |
| 11:40.47 | Simca | community friendly just means "social media outreach helps encourage views" |
| 11:41.01 | ls- | well, it's a nice company to work at, sorta... |
| 11:41.26 | Simca | (from an exec perspective anyway) |
| 11:41.32 | znf | what company? |
| 11:41.32 | LexSfX | argh, taint causing arena queue to break :( |
| 11:41.33 | znf | whi? |
| 11:41.34 | znf | who? |
| 11:41.36 | znf | where? |
| 11:41.51 | Simca | every company everywhere, i wasn't talking about anyone in specific |
| 11:42.39 | Kalroth | are you saying that companies are entities driven by greed? say it isn't so! |
| 11:42.40 | Gnarfoz | but then you run auto-playing video ads and everyone stops viewing your ads : |
| 11:43.07 | Simca | Gnarfoz: that is a mystery i cannot claim to understand |
| 11:43.09 | Gnarfoz | Kalroth:Â people who can't accept that will then hide behind their "community" and paint competitors as evildoers. |
| 11:43.36 | Gnarfoz | Simca:Â what, ad-providers being utterly terrible? |
| 11:43.39 | Simca | yeah |
| 11:43.48 | Kalroth | trojan-providers* |
| 11:43.55 | Gnarfoz | free condoms? |
| 11:44.00 | Kalroth | rubber4all |
| 11:44.06 | Gnarfoz | that sounds like a fetish site |
| 11:44.28 | Kalroth | we serve all LaTeX requests |
| 11:44.34 | ls- | kek |
| 11:44.51 | Gnarfoz | you should switch to iTeX *ding* |
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| 11:45.14 | Simca | it'd be something i'd be interested in learning, tbh. i know there is an exchange of money and ads are displayed, but the workings behind that amount to a black box for me |
| 11:45.15 | Kalroth | i dont have the courage for that |
| 11:45.44 | Kalroth | Simca, it's a black box for people in the industry too .. they pretend to know what's going on, but in reality noone does |
| 11:45.45 | Simca | why are some ad providers so terrible? how come mobile ads are so much often awful? |
| 11:46.34 | Simca | like i almost never get force-redirected on my desktop, but on my phone it happens daily, even on respectable sites |
| 11:46.50 | ls- | is there mobile adblock? O_o |
| 11:46.57 | znf | nobody actually cleans up the mobile ads |
| 11:47.08 | Simca | sure, just use chrome and adblock like a desktop |
| 11:47.35 | Simca | znf: that must be it, but I don't understand why |
| 11:48.12 | Gnarfoz | Simca:Â how would I use Chrome and Adblock on Android, considering there are no extensions? |
| 11:48.32 | Simca | oh, there isn't? i just assumed there was. |
| 11:48.42 | ls- | not worth it? majority of people can't avoid them, that's why mobile ads are so horrible... |
| 11:49.15 | Kalroth | mobile ads are desktop ads 10 years ago |
| 11:49.22 | Gnarfoz | *mobile aids |
| 11:49.26 | Simca | you're not wrong |
| 11:49.41 | ls- | Gnarfoz: good one :D |
| 11:49.48 | Kalroth | only they're coming from all kinds of crappy custom apps, and not a browser |
| 11:50.27 | ls- | welp, you haven't used safari on iOS then... |
| 11:50.45 | Kalroth | i don't have an apple account, so nope :) |
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| 12:08.32 | Simca | - Title "Giving It All We've Got" - Summary "Activate all of the leyline feeds in Suramar, then speak with Valtrois." |
| 12:08.44 | Simca | good star trek reference blizzard, I approve |
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| 12:19.42 | VIad | excel AND formula doesn't shortcircuit ^.^ |
| 12:26.44 | ls- | Ketho: y u do dis? :D http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=319201&postcount=17 |
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| 13:01.42 | VIad | >:D |
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| 13:03.06 | ls- | poor dude thought that Ketho was srs... |
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| 13:08.24 | Resike | team |
| 13:08.45 | Resike | anyone knows a method the get the item id from a toy which is placed on an actionbar? |
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| 13:14.43 | nevcairiel | doesnt it return the item info from getactioninfo |
| 13:16.10 | Resike | prolly it does but thats not good for me |
| 13:16.44 | Resike | i would like to add the itemid for the tooltip of the toy, so i need somekinda hook method |
| 13:17.38 | Resike | and SetToyByItemID is only get triggered for the toybox tooltips not for action bars |
| 13:18.22 | modernist | LexSfX: way late, but is it being caused by UIDropDown |
| 13:18.56 | modernist | because i had some groovy taint that stopped me from queuing from any battleground when i was using my UIDropDown menu |
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| 13:20.40 | modernist | dont even understand how that got through to the queue function |
| 13:20.47 | modernist | but i guess all bets are off with dropdown |
| 13:21.48 | Resike | any addon which using the original blizzard dropdown global functions are potentional taint spreaders |
| 13:22.26 | modernist | yeah :[ |
| 13:22.45 | Resike | if you replace those calls with this http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info22630-NoTaintUIDropDownMenu.html should fix the issue |
| 13:23.32 | modernist | oh i guess that's a nice alternative to whoever was asking for a dropdown lib earlier |
| 13:23.34 | modernist | neat |
| 13:26.09 | znf | I bet I can sell a stack of 200xAethril at 15g/ea instead of 14.0g/ea |
| 13:26.24 | znf | just by making it 1x200 |
| 13:27.37 | modernist | you mean splitting it into singles? |
| 13:27.43 | modernist | if so, you're part of the problem |
| 13:28.01 | znf | no |
| 13:28.09 | modernist | whew, ok i take it back |
| 13:28.12 | znf | I mean just by selling a full stack, I can sell it at higher prices |
| 13:28.20 | modernist | oh right |
| 13:28.21 | modernist | yeah |
| 13:33.04 | znf | yup http://i.imgur.com/JsjnnKx.png |
| 13:34.02 | Resike | is the auction house rewamp live? |
| 13:34.17 | znf | no, the revamp will be in 8.0 |
| 13:34.41 | Resike | not 7.1 then? |
| 13:34.49 | znf | 7.1 adds sorting methods |
| 13:34.52 | znf | which temporarly fixes shit |
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| 13:39.12 | Andols | Znf: I'm selling stacks of 200 Arkhana with a 10g+ per item vs the single stacks :p |
| 13:40.18 | Andols | Gnarfoz: Firefox for Android have extentions, I'm using ublock :) |
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| 13:46.04 | Mr_Rabies | who wants to drop over 2k gold to get one enchant done |
| 13:46.15 | Stanzilla | < |
| 13:48.14 | Mr_Rabies | i personally love people listing the singles as the lowest per item, so i can get just what i need |
| 13:48.31 | Mr_Rabies | when i list stuff i list singles, 5s, 10s, and 20s |
| 13:48.34 | Mr_Rabies | never 200s |
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| 13:53.02 | modernist | http://i.imgur.com/o3bQGUh |
| 13:53.22 | modernist | lfg spreading its wings a bit today |
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| 14:17.18 | modernist | LOL, ok first mythic+ going well |
| 14:17.30 | modernist | we put the keystone in, timer starts |
| 14:17.34 | modernist | healer immediately leaves |
| 14:18.14 | modernist | we get a new guy, "you cannot enter a mythic+ dungeon that is in progress" |
| 14:19.37 | Resike | you need to clear the dungeon to reset i think |
| 14:20.14 | Shockah|Work | yeah you can't change members after starting |
| 14:20.21 | Shockah|Work | so people are trolling others |
| 14:20.26 | aelen | how does it work these days with cross-realm raiding btw? I know you can just join groups etc, but is there also a raiding category for normal raids in the LFG tool? |
| 14:20.27 | Shockah|Work | by letting them start and then leaving |
| 14:20.34 | aelen | or only LFR from next week onwards? |
| 14:21.13 | Shockah|Work | iirc you can just invite people from other realms |
| 14:21.36 | Shockah|Work | probably same with the LFG tool |
| 14:22.11 | nevcairiel | the automated matchmaking tool has no matchmakers for raids other then LFR |
| 14:22.20 | nevcairiel | but there is the group finder where you can manually assemble groups |
| 14:26.39 | aelen | yeah cool, so it would be a custom group |
| 14:26.52 | aelen | I don't need it matchmade haha, it's better I think if it has a human touch |
| 14:27.15 | aelen | thing is, I'm not in a raiding guild now, and I won't be able to dedicate fixed days to raiding, but I'd still like to raid at times |
| 14:28.43 | aelen | + my realm is not that populated it feels like |
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| 14:37.34 | Simca | modernist: best part is, I tried to zone in with the rest of my group |
| 14:37.43 | Simca | Transfer Aborted: Instance Not Found |
| 14:37.47 | modernist | lol |
| 14:37.51 | Simca | then one of them put in the keystone |
| 14:38.02 | Simca | and locked the four of them to it |
| 14:38.07 | znf | tards |
| 14:38.49 | Simca | to be fair, blizzard should lock every player in the current party to it, regardless of whether or not they are in the instance |
| 14:39.08 | nevcairiel | to be fair you're just stupid if you use it when people are still outside |
| 14:39.14 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 14:39.20 | Simca | ofc |
| 14:39.33 | Simca | but it is their job to account for stupid when designing too! |
| 14:39.44 | Thunder_Child | They can only do so much. |
| 14:39.48 | Simca | haha |
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| 14:48.03 | mckenziemc | at what point do the stupid people cost blizzard more than $15 each |
| 14:48.53 | Thunder_Child | At the point they shut down wow. |
| 14:49.25 | mckenziemc | that would be more than $15 per stupid person |
| 14:50.28 | Resike | Well you can write an addon to warn the "stupid" right now |
| 14:51.16 | aelen_ | I think that's what blizzard depends on, for the community to write addons |
| 14:51.28 | aelen_ | they provide the basics, and then it can be enhanced by addons |
| 14:52.15 | foxlit | Realistically, that will happen once, and never again. |
| 14:52.43 | nevcairiel | yeah its whoever clicked the buttons loss, not the other party members really |
| 14:52.47 | nevcairiel | its not like you get an id |
| 14:52.51 | nevcairiel | he just gets a depleted stone |
| 14:53.00 | nevcairiel | although it seems a bit silly that yolu can get people in |
| 14:53.09 | nevcairiel | but i guess thats to avoid cheating |
| 14:53.20 | foxlit | I guess the moral of the story is "be the last person to zone in" |
| 14:59.38 | Resike | well besides diablo all other blizzard games are copycats |
| 15:00.09 | Resike | however these copycast are just incredibly well made |
| 15:01.06 | Thunder_Child | was diablo the first arpg? |
| 15:01.27 | Resike | not but first hacknslash |
| 15:01.48 | nevcairiel | thats what blizzard has done for a long time - take a genre and make a game that refines the ideas in the genre |
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| 15:12.54 | foxlit | well, the good news is that EN normal tuning is forgiving and the fights are nice |
| 15:13.14 | foxlit | the bad news is that I've seen more competence in MoP LFR groups. |
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| 15:15.15 | Adrenalined_Wrk | Ok so I'm getting ready to setup this cloud storage and symlink thing for addon syncing. Anyone with any other suggestions or ideas of another way to handle it? |
| 15:19.38 | Thunder_Child | That's what I do. |
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| 15:27.29 | Resike | yes i only died 5 times in fall dmg yet today |
| 15:27.39 | Stanzilla | l2levitate |
| 15:27.56 | Resike | but im not white |
| 15:28.13 | Sharparam | Adrenalined_Wrk: are you syncing only addon settings, or the addons folder as well? |
| 15:28.31 | nevcairiel | get yourself some avalanche elixirs, best thing alchemists can create, ever |
| 15:29.01 | Thunder_Child | Syncing the settings is no bueno. |
| 15:29.16 | Sharparam | Thunder_Child: hm? |
| 15:29.29 | Thunder_Child | Different resolutions. |
| 15:29.49 | Thunder_Child | Generally. |
| 15:29.50 | Sharparam | not everything is based on resolution :P though most ui mods are still |
| 15:30.07 | Resike | well i can just imagine what was the development plan |
| 15:30.14 | Resike | lets make demon hunters that can fly |
| 15:30.37 | Resike | but also lets triple the fall dmg so every other class can rip |
| 15:30.44 | nevcairiel | dont think they increased it |
| 15:31.14 | Thunder_Child | It just scales. Which is why they should make a boss fight that uses nothing but falling dmg. |
| 15:31.17 | Resike | except you take 1m dmg even if you well of a rock |
| 15:31.28 | nevcairiel | its just percentage based |
| 15:31.55 | nevcairiel | or eat some fighter chow, then you reg back full before you can jump off the next rock |
| 15:32.19 | Resike | but thats a waste of time ofc |
| 15:33.20 | Resike | i cant be the only one i die in falldmg more in a day then in the whole last expasion |
| 15:33.41 | nevcairiel | i just use gliders and avalanche elixirs extensively |
| 15:33.48 | nevcairiel | also dont jump of mountains all the time |
| 15:34.02 | Resike | well im also an engineer and i have heroic leap but still |
| 15:34.13 | Resike | i dont want to imagine what would be without that |
| 15:34.42 | Thunder_Child | As a mage I have yet to die from falling. |
| 15:38.03 | Adrenalined_Wrk | Sharparam: Mainly settings, since I have a good idea of what is installed, but doing the addons themselves as well would be nice I guess |
| 15:39.08 | Sharparam | i would look into git for the settings, since you mentioned versioning would be nice (you could store the repo in a private bitbucket repo or something, or directly in dropbox/gdrive whatever, since i don't think their versioning support is as extensive as a full-fledged VCS) |
| 15:39.31 | Sharparam | if you're familiar with git that is |
| 15:39.40 | Sharparam | dropbox/gdrive probably has basic versioning that might be enough for you |
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| 15:42.09 | Frothy | Anyone know if GetItemInfo changed recently? For some reason the icon I'm getting out of it now is giving me nil |
| 15:42.17 | Adrenalined_Wrk | Sharparam: I'm not all that familiar with git but that could be a fun project to learn, assuming it's not too daunting. |
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| 15:42.49 | Adrenalined_Wrk | The versioning isn't something too big of a deal, I just thought it would be nice to have multiple backups maybe like (3 max at a time) in the event of a disaster |
| 15:43.34 | Sharparam | probably just put your WTF in dropbox/gdrive/onedrive then and symlink from the WoW folder |
| 15:44.11 | Sharparam | not sure how their backup systems work |
| 15:45.37 | Frothy | heh, nvm found it. Apparently: "Patch 7.0.3 - itemTexture is now returned as a texture id, type number, rather than the full texture path as a string from before." |
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| 15:51.29 | Adrenalined_Wrk | Sharparam: This seems to be the most common method. But wasn't sure if there was maybe a better way to go about it' |
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| 15:51.50 | Sharparam | i think that will be the simplest and pretty reliable |
| 15:58.50 | Sharparam | http://rfl.im/Vv |
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| 16:04.12 | ls- | Sharparam: poor dude :p |
| 16:04.20 | Sharparam | :P |
| 16:09.52 | Sharparam | my offspec artifact is ilvl 855 and my mainspec is 818 |
| 16:10.04 | ls- | O_o |
| 16:10.06 | Sharparam | why do i keep getting non-life relics from WQ :( |
| 16:11.41 | Guill | I've gotten almost nothing but life relics as a disc priest >< |
| 16:12.20 | Sharparam | :P |
| 16:14.28 | foxlit | clearly Guill's fault for hoarding all your life relics :P |
| 16:16.19 | Ressy | I've gotten nothing but relics for my holy priest, with my main spec being shadow. |
| 16:19.21 | Semlar | i get almost nothing but life relics as a marksmanship hunter |
| 16:20.09 | Semlar | it seems to greatly favor my third socket over the other 2 |
| 16:20.59 | Semlar | i wonder if more bosses drop life relics for healers |
| 16:21.21 | kullervo | I think the wq rewards depend on the loot spec you had at the time the quest appeared |
| 16:26.27 | foxlit | no. |
| 16:26.34 | foxlit | WQ rewards don't care about your loot spec, period. |
| 16:27.03 | Simca | yep, my loot spec has been set to holy since before 7.0, i've gotten every type of relic that my class can use |
| 16:27.29 | foxlit | (you'll get quests for relics and trinkets your loot spec can't use no matter what you do) |
| 16:27.37 | ls- | http://i.imgur.com/fzpJjxf.png this dude is desperate :p |
| 16:28.05 | Simca | lol rekt |
| 16:28.29 | ls- | he's been asking us to report him for 2 months or so... |
| 16:28.54 | ls- | as you can see, squirt is still pee :p |
| 16:29.34 | ls- | tbh, on EU we have quite many ppl w/ really nasty names, lol |
| 16:29.41 | ls- | no one cares though |
| 16:30.24 | Sharparam | kullervo: my loot spec is resto |
| 16:30.37 | ls- | retro* :p |
| 16:30.52 | Sharparam | u wot :o |
| 16:32.00 | Semlar | i got a flying mount while dead once in suramar city |
| 16:32.26 | Semlar | seems to be from entering a certain section as a ghost |
| 16:33.07 | Sharparam | Semlar: now find a way to exploit this |
| 16:33.23 | ls- | Sharparam: you know, disco priests, retro droids and shamans :p |
| 16:33.30 | Semlar | it takes it away when you leave the area |
| 16:33.48 | nevcairiel | ghosts should just generally be able to fly |
| 16:33.57 | nevcairiel | it just sucks if you die on some cliff with no chance of getting there |
| 16:34.01 | Semlar | don't be ridiculous, ghosts can't fly |
| 16:34.12 | nevcairiel | i'm a freakign whisp, i fly all the time |
| 16:34.17 | nevcairiel | but for some reason i cant gain altitude |
| 16:34.40 | Semlar | wisps are like hovercrafts |
| 16:34.51 | foxlit | fat bear wisps are heavy |
| 16:35.04 | Sharparam | #FatDruidHate |
| 16:36.14 | Semlar | AN ILLUSION!? |
| 16:36.19 | nevcairiel | foxlit just hate on bears because he doesnt like broll |
| 16:36.21 | foxlit | Depending on your ursoc positioning, you now can get the experience of staring at a bear butt without playing a druid. |
| 16:37.06 | ls- | Semlar: what are you hiding?! |
| 16:37.20 | Semlar | i'm not sure i fit a panda in this elf suit |
| 16:37.25 | Stanzilla | WHO GOES THERE |
| 16:38.33 | Fisker | Something's not quite right |
| 16:38.40 | Fisker | An illusion what are you hiding |
| 16:39.18 | Fisker | Also why does the eyes have male voices and also why so they only think you're suspicious when you're inside line a 20 yards range? |
| 16:40.02 | Semlar | they're myopic |
| 16:40.22 | foxlit | actually it's because you smell. |
| 16:40.43 | Semlar | the illusion only works from a distance |
| 16:40.52 | Fisker | Wanna say that to my face tough guy? |
| 16:41.56 | mfgmfg | if i'm stealthed AND disguised they shouldn't be able to notice |
| 16:42.18 | Semlar | they're detectors |
| 16:42.26 | Semlar | so being stealthed just makes them more interested |
| 16:42.44 | mfgmfg | also i'm confused by some NPCs that have the detection icon above their heads but don't react if i walk right up to them |
| 16:44.25 | Semlar | there's a vendor in suramar city that sells stuff to distract the guards, i haven't tried any of it |
| 16:45.37 | modernist | is anyone having issues linking quests in chat |
| 16:45.59 | modernist | they dont show up for the linker but do to other members of the channel in my guild chat |
| 16:46.12 | mfgmfg | sounds like addon issue |
| 16:46.17 | Semlar | all quests? |
| 16:46.28 | modernist | yeah just trying with the default |
| 16:46.43 | Semlar | you have no addons enabled? |
| 16:46.49 | modernist | same with no addons enabled |
| 16:47.03 | Semlar | can you see your normal messages |
| 16:47.11 | modernist | yeah |
| 16:47.30 | modernist | just whenever i shift + click a link from the tracker into guild the message doesnt show up |
| 16:47.45 | modernist | In Nightmares + essence of power, specifically |
| 16:48.02 | Semlar | works fine for me |
| 16:48.04 | modernist | the two artifact quests for the raid that popped up todat |
| 16:48.06 | modernist | today* |
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| 16:48.21 | modernist | other guild members having the same issue |
| 16:48.28 | Semlar | only guild chat? |
| 16:48.33 | modernist | with those particular quests |
| 16:48.45 | modernist | doesnt work in whisper either |
| 16:49.37 | mfgmfg | clear cache? |
| 16:49.54 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.06 | Semlar | well i just crashed the game gliding down into suramar |
| 16:53.03 | modernist | cache clear seems to have fixed it |
| 16:53.06 | modernist | weird |
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| 17:09.11 | Frothy | Anyone familiar with GetItemIcon as of recently? I'm giving it an item ID and it is giving me back a different item ID |
| 17:10.29 | foxlit | it's not giving you back an item id. |
| 17:10.29 | Guill | Frothy: It's giving you back a fileID, not an itemID. You should be able to pass that fileID into :SetTexture. |
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| 17:11.29 | Frothy | Oooooh! Trying now, thx |
| 17:11.50 | foxlit | Guill: could you make anchoring a protected frame to a fontstring throw an error/warning rather than fail silently? |
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| 17:13.59 | Guill | foxlit: Added a task for it. Don't know when it'll make it in though. |
| 17:15.26 | foxlit | I would also settle for a non-protected SABT which just bails in combat. |
| 17:17.33 | foxlit | (don't want it to cascade protection onto anchors/parents, but am okay with it just not working in combat - so at the moment I do acrobatics with reanchoring on combat transitions, which is a pain) |
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| 17:24.40 | Stanzilla | https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/20297652/battle-net-update |
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| 17:34.24 | ls- | damn, first wow died.. now b.net is dead... |
| 17:37.00 | ls- | oh, some guilds have already started selling EN boosts, that's fast.. |
| 17:48.14 | Semlar | boost me |
| 17:49.22 | PhatsoTGT | is anyone here having weird latency issues since last week too? |
| 17:49.25 | Frothy | SetTexture isn't working out for me. I have an itemID and I need to get its icon path string into a variable. Seems Blizz doesn't want me doing that anymore? |
| 17:49.46 | PhatsoTGT | i have a decent ping but skill triggers really slow. |
| 17:50.04 | PhatsoTGT | a 50ms should not be noticeable in wow |
| 17:50.13 | Frothy | script kiddies been ddosing pretty much every day since launch |
| 17:51.49 | PhatsoTGT | i cannot take people who use the word "script kiddies" serious.. sorry. |
| 17:51.51 | ls- | texture:SetTexture(GetItemIcon(itemID)) |
| 17:52.59 | ls- | Frothy: ^ |
| 17:53.59 | Frothy | Trying that again, at least I think I tried that already, thx! |
| 17:54.19 | ls- | well, don't use it this way though, I'm not sure if GetItemIcon needs item to be cached... |
| 17:54.46 | Frothy | PhatsoTGT: kids on twitter claim the ddos's and have been doing it pretty much every day, they call themselves poodle corp. I call them script kiddies as an insult to them? |
| 17:55.36 | ls- | Frothy: you may try using this one instead: local _, _, _, _, icon = GetItemInfoInstant(itemID) |
| 17:57.37 | foxlit | GIIcon is instant to begin with |
| 17:57.58 | ls- | as I said, I wasn't sure about that :p |
| 17:58.10 | ls- | that's why I'm use |
| 17:58.18 | ls- | "may" and not "have to" |
| 17:58.22 | ls- | or "must" |
| 17:58.27 | Frothy | trying now haha |
| 17:58.51 | ls- | and I hate misclicking enter T_T |
| 17:59.33 | ls- | btw, I use* |
| 18:00.22 | ls- | whatevs T_T I need to get some sleep, it's 1am atm :( |
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| 18:06.52 | ls- | oh shi~ need to update OS on my MBP T_T completely forgot about sierra release... |
| 18:16.31 | VIad | Semlar: did you see if the right npc in the ball room had a unique ID? |
| 18:16.35 | VIad | in court of stars |
| 18:16.45 | Semlar | no' |
| 18:17.26 | VIad | haven't tried, or there is none? |
| 18:17.50 | Semlar | yes |
| 18:18.04 | VIad | your mom |
| 18:18.12 | Semlar | you go do it |
| 18:18.20 | VIad | I will |
| 18:19.16 | Semlar | i suspect they don't since they look like they behave exactly the same way as the doomsayers |
| 18:19.53 | Semlar | and any doomsayer was capable of being a demon |
| 18:23.16 | VIad | last time I had 112697 |
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| 18:28.01 | mfgmfg | would it be possible for an addon to rewrite [Mythic Keystone] in chat to show something like [MK-HoV+4-Bolstering] |
| 18:29.56 | znf | sure |
| 18:30.09 | znf | only for you, obviously |
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| 18:32.19 | zenzelezz | http://imgur.com/a/Zp5Yb I almost feel as if they unlocked something people had been waiting for today |
| 18:33.40 | znf | my pug failed badly today :D |
| 18:33.43 | znf | I wasn't lucky |
| 18:33.50 | znf | my ilvl keeps me from applying to better groups :( |
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| 18:34.48 | Frothy | Ookay, I figured it out. I was way over complicating it for myself. SetTexture now just takes a simple itemID. No more screwing with file paths etc! |
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| 19:03.18 | Ketho | you mean it can take item ids directly? |
| 19:03.40 | Ketho | ow he is gone |
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| 19:10.14 | foxlit | (it obviously can't take item ids directly) |
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| 19:19.08 | Fisker | Hey foxlit |
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| 19:37.03 | Sharparam | ooooooh |
| 19:37.05 | Sharparam | a life artifact WQ |
| 19:37.07 | Sharparam | gogogogo |
| 19:37.15 | Sharparam | only 23 hours left! |
| 19:38.17 | foxlit | hey Fisker. |
| 19:38.55 | Fisker | Hey foxlit |
| 19:38.56 | Kraps | ~ping |
| 19:38.56 | purl | 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss |
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| 19:41.53 | Sharparam | now my mainspec artifact is same ilvl as offspec |
| 19:45.14 | Alram | life artifact? |
| 19:46.10 | Sharparam | oh |
| 19:46.12 | Sharparam | life relic* :P |
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| 20:28.34 | znf | Simca, go find me a way to silence harpies |
| 20:31.36 | bshelden | Stab them until they're silent |
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| 20:32.30 | foxlit | so, question. How come we don't have a portal to the emerald nightmare in the dreamway anyway? |
| 20:32.52 | znf | that's what I was wondering last night on my druid |
| 20:33.02 | znf | it's, like, next door |
| 20:33.14 | nevcairiel | because they took over the dreamway =p |
| 20:33.29 | foxlit | jerks! |
| 20:33.37 | foxlit | have to run through some questionable hillsides instead |
| 20:33.56 | foxlit | past some worgen snacking on an antelope |
| 20:34.11 | bshelden | It's right there in the dreamway. It's just that the hill on that side is a bit steeper. Easier to navigate azeroth side. |
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| 20:41.37 | Thunder_Child | https://www.dropbox.com/s/o98rhg5do9lrevo/2016-09-21%2020.07.39.png?dl=0 You know, I think the wow app has an issue with android 7. |
| 20:45.56 | Ressy | Naw, I get that with 6 |
| 20:46.05 | Ressy | Only, in the "Available" spot |
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| 20:56.26 | AdrenalinedWk | Is there a recomended book or startup for someone still learning lua? I thought I would have had an easier time trying to extract something from ElvUI but I'm getting lost on what it's doing towards the top |
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| 20:59.19 | foxlit | If you aren't also new to programming, http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ tells you everything you need to know in a very concise and precise package. |
| 21:00.11 | aelen | what's the addon called again to catch lua errors? |
| 21:00.24 | AdrenalinedWk | bugsack ? |
| 21:00.26 | Thunder_Child | bugsack or swatter or something? |
| 21:00.30 | aelen | ahh yeah |
| 21:00.32 | aelen | thanks |
| 21:00.35 | AdrenalinedWk | foxlit, Thanks, I'll start there |
| 21:00.40 | aelen | is one of those better for any particular reason? |
| 21:00.54 | Thunder_Child | s/?/ like that./ |
| 21:04.02 | aelen | does the ObjectiveTrackerFrame get moved around a lot by the client? |
| 21:04.49 | aelen | cause I'm doing ObjectiveTrackerFrame:ClearAllPoints() ObjectiveTrackerFrame:SetPoint('TOPLEFT', UIParent, 'TOPLEFT', 0, 0), but it's not doing anything, and not throwing any errors either |
| 21:08.16 | Ketho | Talyrius: what is going on in your pkgmeta for TinyDPS https://github.com/Talyrius/TinyDPS/blob/master/.pkgmeta |
| 21:08.35 | Ketho | when I unpack it, it says the LibStub files already exist http://i.imgur.com/SJHZLvm.png |
| 21:09.12 | Thunder_Child | Funcursion! |
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| 21:34.07 | foxlit | the new portal tech is annoying |
| 21:34.17 | foxlit | "Let's overlay a texture over your camera and keep autorun on" |
| 21:34.31 | nevcairiel | yeah the autorun thing made me pull once earlier in EN |
| 21:34.46 | nevcairiel | luckily i'm the tank so i pretended it was intentional |
| 21:35.41 | foxlit | that silly dreamway portal! |
| 21:35.44 | bshelden | How does EN feel at first? Pretty sure I'm tanking it this weekend. |
| 21:35.51 | bshelden | I'm /very/ out of practice. |
| 21:36.00 | bshelden | Like, I last tanked in BC. |
| 21:36.41 | foxlit | your BC tanking experience is irrelevant. |
| 21:36.46 | bshelden | My point exactly |
| 21:36.48 | nevcairiel | oh yeah it was dreamway when i tanked |
| 21:36.51 | nevcairiel | eh, pulled |
| 21:37.21 | bshelden | I'm pretty capable in mythics so far. But that's it. |
| 21:37.22 | foxlit | But it feels like a reasonable continuation of mythic dungeons. |
| 21:37.28 | bshelden | Good to hear |
| 21:37.46 | bshelden | Should be able to try M+2 tonight if things align. |
| 21:37.46 | foxlit | There really isn't anything super complicated; I kind of expect you to be able to look at the other tank's debuffs to figure out when to taunt things. |
| 21:37.49 | nevcairiel | its fine, normal is relatively easy and any decently experienced group should be abel to kill it all |
| 21:37.55 | bshelden | Good to hear. |
| 21:38.06 | nevcairiel | ursoc might require some talking between them tanks |
| 21:38.10 | bshelden | We haven't had enough concurrent to do this in awhile. So looking forward to it. |
| 21:38.21 | nevcairiel | although if both know what they do exactly its fine |
| 21:38.34 | nevcairiel | helps to be on the same page however |
| 21:39.04 | foxlit | not really more complicated then "stay in place and taunt when debuff fades" |
| 21:39.13 | foxlit | s/en/an/ |
| 21:39.19 | bshelden | I married the other tank, so "taunt please" callouts are rather easy. |
| 21:39.51 | nevcairiel | well ursoc has a lot of back and forth, so calling out everytime might be complicated |
| 21:40.05 | nevcairiel | so yeah, just read the two debuffs and you can figure it out |
| 21:40.09 | bshelden | kk |
| 21:40.09 | nevcairiel | just dont have both on the same tank |
| 21:40.12 | Sharparam | bshelden: seems like an overkill way to improve tank synergy! |
| 21:40.15 | bshelden | Something I can just weakaura? |
| 21:40.24 | nevcairiel | bossmods should tell you already |
| 21:40.26 | foxlit | it's shown on raid frames anyway |
| 21:40.28 | bshelden | Fine then |
| 21:40.38 | foxlit | I just tend to /focus the other tank when pretending I'm a bear. |
| 21:40.38 | bshelden | Sharparam: Nah, minimum commitment I say |
| 21:40.49 | bshelden | We demanded all other tank pairs marry too. |
| 21:40.55 | Sharparam | :P |
| 21:44.09 | bshelden | I appreciate the heads up. Should be interesting. |
| 21:44.24 | bshelden | Still, *fingers crossed* We're just on the threshold of being able to muster the people. |
| 21:45.45 | Sharparam | http://rfl.im/VQ |
| 21:45.49 | Sharparam | this one i haven't seen before |
| 21:51.26 | modernist | havent done a dps check boss like il'gynoth in a while |
| 21:52.46 | foxlit | also a dps coordination check |
| 21:52.58 | modernist | yeah |
| 21:53.05 | modernist | which we appear to be failing at |
| 21:53.34 | foxlit | it's the one thing your tanks/healers can't carry you through |
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| 21:57.44 | Primer | My crappy group killed 2 bosses in normal EN last night and our last pull on Ursoc had him down to 100k... |
| 21:58.09 | Primer | We failed badly at Il'whateveritsnameis |
| 21:58.28 | Primer | But we have a lot of...casuals |
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| 21:58.57 | modernist | yeah, we have three pick ups and one truly abysmal replacement arms warrior |
| 21:59.22 | modernist | its still entertaining though |
| 21:59.29 | Primer | Despite having healed all mythics and not having had a chance to DPS hardly at all up to now, I kicked ass as feral |
| 22:00.12 | Primer | my MS is feral and that's where I'd been putting the AP |
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| 22:48.10 | znf | Man, prices were crazy today |
| 22:48.13 | znf | for _everything_ |
| 22:48.16 | znf | food, herbs, potions, flasks |
| 22:52.38 | Stanzilla | are you surprised |
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| 23:14.43 | Adrenalined_ | Anyone black market AH knowledgeable |
| 23:15.03 | Adrenalined_ | Trying to find out exactly what time these auctions end |
| 23:15.27 | Adrenalined_ | or is there a good time to dump lots of gold in to a bid |
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| 23:21.30 | mckenziemc | early on, when you're likely to get it back :p |
| 23:30.22 | Gnarfoz | Adrenalined_: they extend their run time when people bid on them |
| 23:30.29 | Gnarfoz | so... probably impossible to say |
| 23:31.22 | Primer | I spent over 10K on 5 agility flasks last night |
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| 23:35.50 | foxlit | do not buy into the flask madness! |
| 23:36.15 | Thunder_Child | I wonder what my guild is going to want people to get once we start raiding. |
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| 23:37.19 | aelen | so weird, it feels like grid2 is using a different coordinate system than other stuff that lives inside UIParent... |
| 23:38.21 | aelen | the values for the frame being stored in the savedvariables don't correspond at all with its position on screen |
| 23:38.23 | aelen | so confusing |
| 23:41.38 | Gnarfoz | probably relative to its own frame? |
| 23:42.53 | aelen | well I checked the code, and it does get created in the UIParent |
| 23:43.04 | aelen | so yeah, maybe the savedvariables are used for something else |
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