| 00:03.35 | Sharparam | Primer: someone in here mentioned earlier I think that not everything is consistent yet because of stuff being copy-pasted |
| 00:06.44 | znf | EU up |
| 00:06.52 | znf | had to relog |
| 00:06.54 | znf | the queue didn't work |
| 00:10.48 | Stanzilla | tried that 4 times already |
| 00:10.49 | Stanzilla | always queue |
| 00:11.25 | Primer | znf: I had completely forgotten about AMR |
| 00:11.30 | Primer | I'll check it out now |
| 00:12.46 | ls- | sup! damn, I can't even log into battle.net, what's going on in EU O_o |
| 00:13.43 | znf | Stanzilla, do it again |
| 00:13.45 | znf | people are on |
| 00:14.15 | Primer | Paste the AMR addon info into this...? REALLY? No option to browse for the damn file? WTF crack are these guys smoking |
| 00:15.12 | Primer | meh, they expect it to be copied from the game... |
| 00:16.08 | znf | yes... |
| 00:16.12 | znf | it's easier than you think |
| 00:16.21 | Primer | except I wasn't running the game |
| 00:16.23 | Mr_Rabies | i usually simcraft myself and plug its weights into pawn |
| 00:16.26 | Mr_Rabies | but simcraft isn't up yet |
| 00:16.35 | Mr_Rabies | (nor is the armory, really) |
| 00:16.43 | mfgmfg | armory updated recently for me |
| 00:16.56 | Primer | yeah, me too |
| 00:21.49 | ls- | dammit, blizzard... http://i.imgur.com/9PZsjKv.png |
| 00:21.54 | Mr_Rabies | mine's way out of date |
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| 00:22.00 | Mr_Rabies | i'm like 829 ilvl and it's still showing 770 |
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| 00:22.30 | Mr_Rabies | change zones, ls- |
| 00:22.35 | Mr_Rabies | it'll say you lost negative experience |
| 00:22.53 | Mr_Rabies | which i'm hoping actually means you gained some, lol |
| 00:23.47 | ls- | yeah, it worked, when I tped to dala :D |
| 00:23.59 | ls- | but that's confusing >:o |
| 00:24.22 | znf | my armory updated, too |
| 00:24.26 | znf | like, 2 hours ago last time |
| 00:26.28 | _Kee | "Yo Dawg! I head you like RNG, so I've connected RNG with RNG, adding RNG and there came the Simcraft." â¦but⦠why? |
| 00:28.06 | znf | yeah, yeah, I've come train the stupid withered |
| 00:28.10 | znf | let's go, ain't nobody got time for your chat |
| 00:29.21 | _Kee | I look at my main spec and DPS Spread = 39232.36 with DPS Mean = 228475.22. That's over 17%! |
| 00:30.15 | fewyn | so i am liking outlaw a little bit more than i did a week ago |
| 00:32.06 | _Kee | I can't trust anything that tells me. Go this gear/talents/etc., becasue with our calculations (based on RNG over RNG over RNG) it's 228475.22 DPS (±17%). Meh. |
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| 00:37.51 | LexSfX | lookingforsatchels is so good; 800g per heroic run |
| 00:37.55 | LexSfX | love this |
| 00:38.42 | Mr_Rabies | heroics take too damned long, though :( |
| 00:38.58 | Mr_Rabies | i really, really hate the new dungeons :( |
| 00:38.59 | LexSfX | i just luckily got in to one that was on cordana felsong; 2-minute "clear" :P |
| 00:40.39 | synnove | Mr_Rabies: they feel reaally draggy |
| 00:40.47 | Mr_Rabies | too much damned trash |
| 00:40.51 | synnove | i've only done a couple since hitting 110, but havent really enjoyed it |
| 00:40.57 | synnove | maybe some are better? i dunno |
| 00:41.02 | Mr_Rabies | the trash needs like 40% less hp |
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| 00:41.15 | Mr_Rabies | it's not really all that deadly, it just takes forever to die |
| 00:43.32 | Primer | Anyone know if Nomi gets better if you have higher level cooking? This fucker excels at burning food. |
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| 00:49.02 | Semlar | it's a mystery |
| 00:56.07 | znf | what is the score needed for full rep, again? |
| 00:56.08 | znf | nevcairiel, ? |
| 00:56.15 | znf | Stanzilla, ? |
| 00:59.47 | znf | Stanzilla, http://i.imgur.com/aaThQhZ.png |
| 00:59.48 | znf | :( |
| 01:19.24 | Mr_Rabies | that was odd |
| 01:19.30 | Mr_Rabies | nothing was clickable in mirc |
| 01:19.34 | Mr_Rabies | links or usernames or anything |
| 01:19.35 | Mr_Rabies | weird |
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| 01:45.01 | Thunder_Child | That's because you use mirc. |
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| 02:26.12 | _Kee | Meh, I just found myself,commenting line of text in JS with -- |
| 02:26.31 | Stanzilla | znf: 395 |
| 02:27.00 | znf | where's the EU maintenance? |
| 02:27.05 | Stanzilla | ongoing |
| 02:27.21 | Thunder_Child | _Kee: I let my ide do that so I only have to remember the keybinds. |
| 02:27.45 | _Kee | ~maintenance |
| 02:27.56 | pompy | ~wowalert |
| 02:27.56 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 02:29.34 | znf | oh, right |
| 02:30.34 | _Kee | Yeah, I have kb for adding/removing double slash, but when I comment function/var, I add comments by hand. |
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| 02:54.33 | ls- | _Kee: I often try to return multiple values as-is from a func in C++, often forget that I have to use make_tuple to do so T_T |
| 02:56.03 | Thunder_Child | I was working on learning go today. Not as nice as python but much better than elm. |
| 02:58.07 | ls- | have a web-dev buddy who worships Go :p |
| 02:58.16 | Thunder_Child | Yea, I do web dev, |
| 02:58.20 | Thunder_Child | s/,/./ |
| 02:58.30 | ls- | :D |
| 02:58.31 | Thunder_Child | .. |
| 02:58.37 | ls- | fail... |
| 02:58.41 | Thunder_Child | Yea.. |
| 02:59.47 | Thunder_Child | Python is unfortunately not known for its multi-threaded capabilities, so I have to get something for the back end other than flask/django. |
| 03:00.59 | ls- | tbh, I'm not really a fan of python, I do write py code from time to time, but my true love is c++.. |
| 03:01.19 | synnove | i have strong feelings about go |
| 03:01.24 | synnove | they're probably not really justified |
| 03:01.34 | Thunder_Child | The head of the pipeline dept at work is teaching c++ to a group of us. |
| 03:01.57 | Thunder_Child | That should be interesting. |
| 03:02.08 | ls- | I like rust, funky language :D |
| 03:02.27 | synnove | i meant to try learning that |
| 03:02.40 | Thunder_Child | One of my co-workers is working with that. He's not super happy with it. |
| 03:02.41 | synnove | or well, i started, but i fell asleep trying to read through the online book thing |
| 03:03.07 | ls- | c++ is good, it's finally started evolving again few years ago.. |
| 03:06.51 | ls- | hopefully your co-worker teaches you c++11 and newer, earlier standards are quite meh... |
| 03:07.58 | Thunder_Child | Yea, he is teaching all the bits that ease the pain. |
| 03:08.51 | ls- | noice |
| 03:11.35 | ls- | I used to work in enterprise sector, and whenever I had to work w/ really old c++ or c code, I wanted to cancel my RL subscription T_T |
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| 03:17.13 | Freddie | I like Go for writing fairly low level things, and my battle.net api backend is Go magic |
| 03:17.28 | Freddie | but writing explicit error handling all the time gets really, really old |
| 03:17.31 | Freddie | also I miss generics :( |
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| 03:34.39 | Thunder_Child | There are also some little things that seem odd. When appending a map to a map you list the map name + key twice. I feel that in many (most?) languages there would be a shortcut operator for something like that. |
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| 05:01.42 | _Kee | I got "[DND] Cleanup" buff once logged in (EU): http://www.wowdb.com/spells/232895-dnd-cleanup |
| 05:01.48 | _Kee | wow, never saw it before. |
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| 06:36.54 | bluspacecow | "Hearthstone is made for Android, which is Linux, therefore Blizzard should make a Linux installer for all of their games." |
| 06:37.00 | bluspacecow | I think my brain just broke guys |
| 06:37.19 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20744244344?page=2#post-30 |
| 06:37.25 | nevcairiel | this person seems trolling |
| 06:37.38 | nevcairiel | anyway Android is so far away from actual linux =p |
| 06:37.57 | bluspacecow | oh mary blessed mother of god I hope that they are trolling |
| 06:42.05 | Primer | Well, to be fair, android devices are running a Linux kernel |
| 06:42.20 | Primer | so what he's saying is not entirely false |
| 06:42.22 | nevcairiel | and thats about all they share |
| 06:45.32 | bluspacecow | gotta love someone who posts for help in the tech support forums ... and barely 57 minutes later are posting in general about how they are quitting the game because OMG Blizzard are ruining their game with bad customer support |
| 06:45.51 | bluspacecow | spoiler alert : he posted at around 10 PM california time |
| 06:45.59 | bluspacecow | when all the forum staff had gone home lol |
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| 07:09.28 | nebula | wish people like that would actually quit |
| 07:09.30 | nebula | but they never do |
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| 07:56.32 | Sharparam | _Kee: i have that too, and planting something at the "evergreen" thing in druid class hall removes and re-applies it instantly |
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| 08:13.15 | rblxx | guys could someone please help me with a very simple script that detects certain letters in a nickname when someone joins a group? |
| 08:13.57 | rblxx | basically something along the lines "when nickname containing a character from the table of characters joins the group do this" |
| 08:14.13 | rblxx | i can't really code, and that would help me a lot in game :/ |
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| 08:16.16 | VIad | my rom comes with a package that provides a ton of linux commands we all love |
| 08:17.17 | VIad | I wonder if vim is a part of it |
| 08:17.36 | VIad | yay, vim 7.4 :p |
| 08:20.13 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/upload_4959f043.png |
| 08:20.30 | Primer | good luck with that |
| 08:21.00 | relaxok | whats the addon that used to have those orc emotes play when you finished parts of a quest or the entire quest? |
| 08:21.12 | VIad | work work |
| 08:21.19 | VIad | peons :d |
| 08:21.22 | nevcairiel | quester can do that |
| 08:22.01 | VIad | bluspacecow got smacked by blue poster for bumping the thread :D |
| 08:22.08 | relaxok | i think it was fubar questfu? |
| 08:22.21 | relaxok | (i know those arent updated anymore) |
| 08:22.22 | VIad | to be fair it sounds like a terribly easy to implement addon |
| 08:22.30 | VIad | probably <10 lines of code :p |
| 08:22.35 | relaxok | yeah, i'm just curious what it was |
| 08:22.38 | relaxok | most people used it |
| 08:22.47 | nevcairiel | you would think so, but quest objective tracking is annoying |
| 08:23.15 | VIad | I know, like tracking changes to the party group, you gotta have a "Last state" and compare each event ,_, |
| 08:23.19 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 08:23.21 | bluspacecow | I did ? |
| 08:24.12 | VIad | right after your post, bluspacecow, he wrote "Why does this keep getting bumped?" :p |
| 08:24.34 | bluspacecow | that was directed at the other fools that keep bumping the thread |
| 08:24.38 | bluspacecow | vraks good |
| 08:24.40 | bluspacecow | hes my boy! |
| 08:24.57 | VIad | from the hood |
| 08:26.08 | bluspacecow | im sure if he had a problem with it he'ld smack me over FB messager or Skype |
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| 08:26.54 | VIad | fb massager :p |
| 08:27.12 | bluspacecow | Facebook Message thingy |
| 08:27.26 | VIad | I'd like a fb massage |
| 08:27.56 | bluspacecow | *FB massages Fisker* |
| 08:28.20 | VIad | do people still use skype? |
| 08:28.38 | bluspacecow | mvps do |
| 08:28.42 | bluspacecow | ah woo woo |
| 08:28.47 | bluspacecow | *shimmies* |
| 08:29.26 | VIad | rustled my jimmies |
| 08:29.56 | bluspacecow | Williams were rustled! |
| 08:30.22 | Sharparam | the thread finally loaded for me. i instantly regret this |
| 08:31.37 | bluspacecow | do mages still have a decurse ? |
| 08:31.43 | nevcairiel | no |
| 08:31.54 | bluspacecow | :[ |
| 08:33.46 | rblxx | is it possible at all to detect someones nickname when he joins a group? |
| 08:34.05 | nevcairiel | isnt his name the first thing you see? =p |
| 08:34.48 | bluspacecow | he means in the Lua API :P |
| 08:36.03 | rblxx | :/ |
| 08:36.48 | rblxx | a few serverhoppers are really messing with my groups, I want to make a mod that checks a table for certain names and kicks them instantly |
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| 08:37.16 | Sharparam | you can't autokick via api. you could show a dialog with a button to click to speed up the process somewhat |
| 08:37.32 | rblxx | oh :| |
| 08:38.09 | nevcairiel | why cant you auto-kick |
| 08:38.10 | bluspacecow | i can't find any documentation on the events that fire when someone joins a group |
| 08:38.19 | nevcairiel | addon that disabnd a raid have worked for ages |
| 08:38.22 | bluspacecow | needs a hardware event ? |
| 08:38.27 | Sharparam | nevcairiel: the kick function requires HW event |
| 08:38.27 | VIad | group_roster_updated something, bluspacecow |
| 08:38.30 | bluspacecow | maybe it can call /click |
| 08:38.35 | VIad | kicking requires hardware event yes |
| 08:38.47 | bluspacecow | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/GROUP_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 08:38.48 | nevcairiel | just hook it into the movement keys, done =p |
| 08:38.52 | bluspacecow | amazing documentation there vlad |
| 08:39.11 | bluspacecow | *facepalm* Nev ... |
| 08:39.28 | VIad | :p |
| 08:39.29 | rblxx | so it's not possible? |
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| 08:40.05 | nevcairiel | you could be smarter and just disable auto-accept and instead write an addon to accept anyone but those guys |
| 08:40.28 | bluspacecow | where's /eventtrace gone :( |
| 08:40.39 | Sharparam | nowhere? |
| 08:40.55 | bluspacecow | is not working for me :( |
| 08:41.09 | Sharparam | http://rfl.im/Qs |
| 08:41.17 | Sharparam | WFM, not reproducible, closing bug. |
| 08:41.37 | ls- | Vlad: http://i.imgur.com/1HwaO48.png, common loot toasts inc! |
| 08:41.43 | Sharparam | i'd still like to see a more featured event trace |
| 08:41.53 | modernist | ls-: nice! |
| 08:41.54 | Sharparam | like being able to upfront tell what events you are interested in, rather than a blacklist system |
| 08:42.03 | Sharparam | i bet there's an addon somewhere for it |
| 08:42.14 | ls- | modernist: <3 |
| 08:42.15 | nevcairiel | i would be worried of WMU keeps scrolling by like that, btw :p |
| 08:42.36 | modernist | that is a lot of quest events |
| 08:43.40 | Sharparam | hm |
| 08:43.46 | nevcairiel | yeah doesnt seem healthy to get map and quest updates every millisecond or so :D |
| 08:43.59 | nevcairiel | or apparently every frame |
| 08:44.07 | Sharparam | seems to be related to carbonite |
| 08:44.10 | Sharparam | disabling it stops the spam |
| 08:44.21 | nevcairiel | (color me surprised, oh wait) |
| 08:44.52 | modernist | good ol carbo |
| 08:45.14 | bluspacecow | code so complicated it makes sphagetthi look simple |
| 08:45.31 | Sharparam | i've always liked its map and quest tracker though. any other google-map like map addons? |
| 08:45.43 | modernist | i think semlar has one |
| 08:45.47 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 08:45.52 | bluspacecow | your brain |
| 08:46.40 | modernist | oh maybe it was just this http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info21830-Foglight.html |
| 08:47.04 | VIad | does carbonite even exist anymore? |
| 08:47.46 | Sharparam | it was updated for 7.0.3, but isn't as usable as before. Rythal was here earlier and said he might stop updating it |
| 08:50.49 | ls- | welp, if I had same kind of users, I too would stop updating my addons... |
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| 08:51.25 | Sharparam | since cartographer died long ago i haven't seen any other addon with the smooth zooming and switching to minimap textures |
| 08:56.22 | VIad | Semlar made something like that, but it's a lot of upkeep to keep working and adding the normal map stuff on it :( |
| 08:56.40 | Semlar | maps are hard |
| 08:56.58 | VIad | needs like a community driven framework for map, and plugin system :/ |
| 08:57.30 | Sharparam | VIad: the one i found enables showing minimap textures, but not the smooth scrolling and moving around :/ |
| 09:01.02 | bluspacecow | tinfoil hat theory of the week : http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20749097454?page=2 |
| 09:11.55 | VIad | LOL |
| 09:12.09 | VIad | as a programmer, why would you go through all the trouble to obtain the IP and use that as seed? |
| 09:12.51 | VIad | they probably use a library for rng anyways that have some nice seed generators, doubt blizz devs would go out of their way to hook it up to the ip :p |
| 09:13.10 | VIad | my favorite is math.seed(math.seed()) for super random mode |
| 09:31.37 | Phixion | lol bluspacecow |
| 09:31.39 | Seeker` | Best post on that is the last one. "You are not a smart man." |
| 09:35.58 | VIad | also reason WMU fires so much with carbonite is so that the zones shown nearby are loaded |
| 09:36.40 | VIad | since map is stupid and can only show stuff for the current view, you need to add some caching mechanism to change the map in the background and load data, then keep doing that as the user smoothly scrolls across zones :p |
| 09:40.38 | ls- | we need to make map smart :p |
| 09:40.38 | VIad | thats why I think the only way a map addon can work as things are now, is to make a huge community driven framework for map handling and just code plugins, otherwise events would fire everywhere, other addons would start to interfere and such |
| 09:40.56 | VIad | or we need C_Map and scrape the old code and make a better map on blizz' end :d |
| 09:41.16 | ls- | too much work T_T |
| 09:43.56 | ls- | https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/64312755.jpg |
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| 09:58.06 | Phixion | :) |
| 09:58.20 | Phixion | transforms VIad into a living meme |
| 10:06.58 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:11.03 | nevcairiel | i found like 2 or 3 hooks that are broken like that |
| 10:11.27 | nevcairiel | some people tried to claim its dumb and always goes to the closest hook instead of the one y ou clicked, but thats easily disproven |
| 10:12.30 | Seeker` | It's more likely something to do with both hooks being in-line with each other |
| 10:16.37 | znf | >Developers' Notes: As discussed in last weekâs Developer Q&A, warlocks (and Demonology especially) needed to go through several spellcasts in order to generate the Soul Shards required to cast the spells needed for them to operate at peak efficiency. |
| 10:16.42 | znf | Uh. Shadow would like a word. |
| 10:18.03 | Seeker` | Assassination Rogue? |
| 10:18.49 | znf | uhm? no? |
| 10:18.53 | znf | shadow priests |
| 10:19.13 | znf | In outdoor gameplay and against packs of enemies in dungeons, this often meant that combat was ending just as the warlock was getting warmed up. |
| 10:19.16 | Seeker` | or the RNG that is outlaw. I can go for a whole boss fight of spellcasts without operating at peak efficiency |
| 10:19.29 | znf | yeah, but when you do, you pull 1 mil dps |
| 10:19.41 | Seeker` | yeah, once a week |
| 10:19.53 | nevcairiel | the insanity generation is a key part of shadow design, you really shouldnt expect that to change =p |
| 10:20.06 | znf | I don't expect that to change |
| 10:20.11 | znf | I would just like fucking Void Lord to be baked in |
| 10:21.04 | Seeker` | Outlaw would feel a lot nicer if you were guaranteed 2 buffs to proc, not just one |
| 10:21.21 | Seeker` | and the RNG would drop massively |
| 10:21.38 | znf | You work your ass off to try to stay in Void Form for as much as you can, so you maybe manage to get ~30 stacks (+30% haste); but now you get to generate insanity very fast |
| 10:22.05 | znf | (that is, when not using S2M, and when the boss is not below 35%) |
| 10:22.28 | znf | But then... you get to enter Void Form again, in about 15 seconds |
| 10:22.35 | znf | And you get to start all over again :P |
| 10:23.08 | znf | Also, not to mention the server delays that kick our asses. I really hoped it would be just an issue with the high latency I had on the beta, but the same shit happens on live, too |
| 10:24.02 | znf | For example, you can cast Void Torrent (the artifact trait) only when in Void Form, but because of server delays, you can actually cast it at the last moment of void form, so you drop out of it, while channeling the spell |
| 10:24.55 | znf | (void torrent stops insanity from depleting, so you get to extend it by 4 seconds) |
| 10:25.06 | VIad | Semlar: I had that in the suramar hooks too |
| 10:25.17 | VIad | it seems each node has its own spell related to it |
| 10:25.27 | VIad | probably even unique npc? |
| 10:25.55 | znf | Did anyone else notice a huge amount of freaking missions, suddenly? |
| 10:26.00 | znf | I used to have 2-5 max |
| 10:26.04 | znf | now I have 12 available |
| 10:26.18 | nevcairiel | still at 5 |
| 10:27.16 | VIad | think 5 is like max. >5 ui bug? |
| 10:27.25 | znf | no, I really have the missions |
| 10:27.37 | nevcairiel | i had a few more then 5 before, but not 12 |
| 10:27.43 | nevcairiel | but i do complete them regularly |
| 10:27.51 | VIad | me too, on the app |
| 10:28.32 | znf | there's no damn way I have enough followers to complete them... |
| 10:28.50 | VIad | do the once that expire first :p |
| 10:28.50 | nevcairiel | i usually send 2 at a time, so i can complete 4 to 6 a day, depending on durations |
| 10:29.02 | znf | also, now that they buffed the bonus AP item you get, I feel compelled to try to get 150% on them |
| 10:30.09 | Seeker` | I've got 5 available missions, 2 in progress |
| 10:30.13 | VIad | if you look at the big picture, the amounts of AP gained are negligible |
| 10:30.34 | VIad | I need 36k for the next rank, I need like 6 ranks before the final passive unlock |
| 10:30.54 | znf | I need 50k for the next rank |
| 10:31.07 | VIad | probably more chill to whatever the farm for the small AP amounts and just focus once AP % gain is at 1000% and such :p |
| 10:31.11 | znf | the missions now give ~250-300 |
| 10:31.17 | znf | but the bonus item is at ~750 |
| 10:31.28 | VIad | you need like 50 missions of those kind |
| 10:31.30 | VIad | for one rank :p |
| 10:31.30 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/rt4y0G2.png |
| 10:31.30 | Seeker` | VIad: A mission I have awards 310 AP, the bonus on it awards 750 AP |
| 10:32.14 | pnorman | fwiw, I had 4 missions. I sent one off and instantly got a new one listed |
| 10:33.55 | VIad | app dead for me. can't login :d |
| 10:34.18 | znf | it updated last night for me |
| 10:34.28 | znf | I opened it after (during?) maintenance |
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| 10:40.02 | znf | and it downloaded something for about 30 seconds |
| 10:40.09 | znf | (and I was interrupted by a phone call now) |
| 10:46.52 | znf | >Regular creatures at Warden Towers should spawn more rapidly when attacked by many players. |
| 10:46.53 | znf | yay |
| 10:46.56 | znf | >Brimstone Destroyers in Azsuna can no longer be enslaved. |
| 10:46.57 | znf | boo :( |
| 10:47.42 | znf | >Fixed an issue causing some PvP World Quests to have invalid rewards for Honor level 50 players. |
| 10:47.46 | znf | now give me my cloak back! |
| 10:53.53 | VIad | doubt they keep logs over what quests you completed, and retroactively give rewards :p |
| 10:55.04 | VIad | I still think they should make the loot effect on corpses have the color of the maximum item quality on the corpse |
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| 10:55.35 | VIad | if its money or grays, keep it as is, but if its blues, epics, and such, make it sparke in that color |
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| 11:02.46 | Freddie | http://i.imgur.com/X7jtlnV.jpg that loot popup |
| 11:03.44 | VIad | it has been buggy |
| 11:04.08 | VIad | sometimes it shows loot from earlier encounters for me :p |
| 11:05.11 | Semlar | maybe it's an upgrade |
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| 11:10.05 | Seeker` | VIad: I've had that happen when someone looted after the popup had already gone |
| 11:17.16 | znf | VIad, they keep logs on everything |
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| 11:28.13 | VIad | znf: even WQ/dailies? |
| 11:29.02 | znf | Most likely |
| 11:40.33 | bluspacecow | . |
| 11:43.04 | ls- | wow, just wow... itemLinks for an item in SHOW_LOOT_TOAST and CHAT_MSG_LOOT events are different... |
| 11:43.36 | VIad | why different? |
| 11:43.42 | VIad | like bonusID different what? |
| 11:44.13 | ls- | yeah, SHOW_LOOT_TOAST > item:129090::::::::103:252:::1:1794:::, CHAT_MSG_LOOT > item:129090::::::::103:252:512::1:1794:103::: |
| 11:44.20 | ls- | ffs, blizz T_T |
| 11:44.30 | VIad | makes no sense |
| 11:44.38 | ls- | no fucking sense at all... |
| 11:44.39 | VIad | bug? |
| 11:44.50 | VIad | should be same link regardless where it appears :p |
| 11:45.21 | ls- | and I was wondering why I get double toasts from time to time... |
| 11:46.10 | Xuerian | What? Events related to loot are screwey af? who knew |
| 11:46.18 | Xuerian | grumbles under his breath. |
| 11:51.01 | VIad | wonder what itemlinks are in the loot history module :p |
| 11:51.08 | VIad | the /loot window history |
| 11:58.04 | ls- | k, another issue is that CHAT_MSG_LOOT fires earlier than SHOW_LOOT_TOAST_UPGRADE T_T I'll have to delay chat message parsing to make sure that all SHOW_LOOT_* events fired |
| 11:58.08 | ls- | omg, why? |
| 11:58.32 | VIad | because you have to suffer |
| 11:58.40 | ls- | at least CHAT_MSG_LOOT and SHOW_LOOT_TOAST_UPGRADE have same itemLink, lol |
| 12:03.46 | bluspacecow | *licks Fisker* |
| 12:03.52 | bluspacecow | BBL need icecream |
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| 12:16.51 | Semlar | lol, i just flared a druid out of stealth, neither one of us are flagged |
| 12:18.05 | VIad | you monster |
| 12:18.21 | Semlar | he stealthed next to me waiting for a mob to spawn |
| 12:18.35 | karl_w_w | you make me sick |
| 12:18.36 | Semlar | i didn't expect flare to work |
| 12:19.08 | Semlar | also the postmaster mailed me an 850 neck, that was nice of him |
| 12:20.21 | ls- | Vlad: damn, should I ignore upgradeTypeID and upgradeValue fields of itemLink? |
| 12:20.43 | VIad | isnt that what changes the tooltip to show the right data? |
| 12:20.56 | VIad | if it doesnt change the tip you can just use the easy way out |
| 12:20.59 | ls- | I'm dealing w/ "Type 512: Timewarped Item Level Adjustments - the upgradeValue will be the level of the character when the gear was acquired." |
| 12:21.29 | ls- | even if I remove them from itemString, nothing changes O_o |
| 12:21.55 | Semlar | should i use the better neck enchant or the one that shows up on dps meters |
| 12:22.30 | ls- | I guess, I'll be removing these two fields, if upgradeTypeID == 512 T_T |
| 12:22.38 | Torhal | ls-: I do hope you allow that to be configured. The whole reason I made LootToasts is so I could use Toaster to make the whole thing transparent and just have the icon, name, and amount gained (if applicable) show up. |
| 12:23.05 | Torhal | I really don't want flashy stuff for looting things. |
| 12:24.14 | ls- | well, my case is a bit different, I have two types of loot toasts... |
| 12:24.52 | Torhal | I was just saying that because you specifically mention LootToasts in your description. |
| 12:24.56 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.14 | ls- | hehehe... |
| 12:27.04 | Semlar | did they buff these follower experience missions or do some of them give a ton more experience than others |
| 12:27.05 | VIad | isnt one thing a library for the data, the other a UI skin? |
| 12:27.26 | VIad | Semlar: I hope so. so far it was more efficient doing WQ with a bodyguard on me, XP wise |
| 12:27.29 | Semlar | this one i have is for 3,000 experience and the bonus item adds 4,000 to a follower |
| 12:27.45 | Semlar | the ones i had before were all just 1500 xp |
| 12:35.30 | modernist | ok im officially sick of world qs |
| 12:35.40 | modernist | they've finally just turned into dailies |
| 12:38.32 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 12:40.02 | VIad | WQ are dailies, but the daily chests are kind of okay, and you can stack up on them over 3 days, then just do like 12 WQ to get the 3 chests and wait 3 more days and repeat |
| 12:40.11 | VIad | dont HAVE to do all the WQ each day tbh |
| 12:41.24 | modernist | this is true |
| 12:42.40 | modernist | i dont actually hate them i suppose, its just a few reoccuring ones that seem particularly irritating |
| 12:43.06 | modernist | that awful dinosaur one in surumar, the wisps and the fishies in valsharah |
| 12:43.30 | Shockah|Work | the dinosaur one is cool, but... it's too long |
| 12:43.50 | modernist | it was sort of cool for 10 seconds the first time before i got stuck on a fence |
| 12:43.55 | modernist | the camera angle is awful |
| 12:44.01 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 12:44.02 | Shockah|Work | that's true |
| 12:44.13 | Lopeppeppy | Happy new year, Fisker! |
| 12:44.20 | Semlar | it's to more accurately simulate being a t-rex |
| 12:44.36 | Fisker | It's not even a new year Lopeppeppy |
| 12:44.58 | modernist | lopsided and motion-sickness inducing |
| 12:44.59 | modernist | i see it |
| 12:45.58 | modernist | where's his feathers anyway |
| 12:48.22 | Lopeppeppy | Why not, Fisker? |
| 12:53.33 | Torhal | It's newer than last year, Fisker, and much newer than the 2011 model. |
| 12:53.48 | Fisker | oh okay |
| 12:53.50 | Fisker | My bad then |
| 13:00.34 | Seeker` | ls-: in the example item link you posted, it won't make any difference because of the specific values. It's an item for a lvl 103 character that dropped for a lvl 103 character. If you change the final 103 to 110, it should change things (with upgradeTypeID of 512) |
| 13:01.45 | ls- | yeah, I know that.. that's why I'm planning to remove upgradeType id and value from item link, if id is 512 |
| 13:01.58 | Seeker` | why? |
| 13:03.10 | Torhal | [07:27:05] VIad:isnt one thing a library for the data, the other a UI skin? <-- Do what, now? |
| 13:04.17 | ls- | because "item:129090::::::::103:252:::1:1794:::" == "item:129090::::::::103:252:512::1:1794:103:::" returns false T_T it's not my fault that I get two different item links for the same item :p |
| 13:04.52 | Seeker` | why not just compare item ids? |
| 13:05.01 | ls- | because that's not enough :p |
| 13:05.59 | ls- | two vastly different versions of one item share same id |
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| 13:07.11 | ls- | however, I need to make sure that I don't show a toast for the same item twice |
| 13:07.17 | Seeker` | the odds of getting two items that could upgrade within, say, 10 seconds are...? |
| 13:07.24 | Seeker` | (with the same id) |
| 13:07.39 | ls- | nah, that's not it |
| 13:08.12 | ls- | wait, let me finish dung first :D |
| 13:08.17 | ls- | I'm tanking, ahaha |
| 13:12.31 | ls- | in my case odds are 100/100 :D |
| 13:14.49 | ls- | for example, I listen to this event SHOW_LOOT_TOAST to get info on personal loot you receive, however, I also listen to CHAT_MSG_LOOT event to get info on lot that is not personal |
| 13:15.48 | ls- | and ofc CHAT_MSG_LOOT fires for everything, personal, group and other kinds of loot |
| 13:16.48 | ls- | but there's a tiiiiiny issue |
| 13:17.50 | ls- | SHOW_LOOT_TOAST's itemLink is a bit different from the one I get from CHAT_MSG_LOOT T_T |
| 13:18.07 | ls- | and that's annoying af |
| 13:20.37 | Semlar | i feel kind of bad killing bald eagles for their tail feathers for this quest |
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| 13:23.42 | ls- | Seeker`: read above, forgot to mention you T_T |
| 13:24.05 | Seeker` | ls-: yeah, I saw. Just thinking about the problem |
| 13:24.35 | ls- | there's only one problem, inconsistency :p |
| 13:25.01 | ls- | wtf different events have different itemLinks for the same item T_T |
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| 13:26.11 | Phixion | fatcow :o |
| 13:26.32 | Seeker` | ls-: ignore SHOW_LOOT_TOAST and only use CHAT_MSG_LOOT :P |
| 13:27.01 | Seeker` | or does CHAT_MSG_LOOT not get personal loot updates? |
| 13:27.18 | Semlar | also why the fuck do followers work in world pvp |
| 13:27.23 | Semlar | this is retarded |
| 13:27.48 | ls- | these are some of SHOW_LOOT_TOAST args: local typeID, itemLink, quantity, _, _, isPersonal, _, lessAwesome, isUpgraded = ... |
| 13:28.25 | ls- | CHAT_MSG_LOOT doesn't have any info on upgrades, etc.. |
| 13:28.48 | blufatcow | Well I was hungry |
| 13:28.50 | blufatcow | now im fat! |
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| 13:29.26 | ls- | that's why I use CHAT_MSG_LOOT for some basic stuff... |
| 13:30.18 | bluspacecow | thank Torhal for that. He stuck a fork in me! |
| 13:30.27 | ls- | and I use this bunch here, LOOT_ITEM_ROLL_WON, SHOW_LOOT_TOAST, SHOW_LOOT_TOAST_LEGENDARY_LOOTED, SHOW_LOOT_TOAST_UPGRADE, SHOW_PVP_FACTION_LOOT_TOAST, STORE_PRODUCT_DELIVERED, for more advanced things :D |
| 13:31.52 | ls- | that's why I need to make sure, that I'm not showing a toast for the same item twice, cuz CHAT_MSG_LOOT uses exactly same chat message for all these events T_T |
| 13:32.20 | ls- | well, more like a set of 4 messages :p |
| 13:32.53 | VIad | I have to check, but I remember having loot roll events firing twice ,_, |
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| 14:04.15 | Noshei | @torhal you see errors on latest version of NPCscan? |
| 14:04.35 | Torhal | Noshei: What are they? |
| 14:04.38 | Ressy | I'm seeing annoying popups.. ie the addon itself. |
| 14:04.53 | Torhal | Ressy: Uninstall. |
| 14:04.56 | Ressy | I did. |
| 14:04.59 | Torhal | That's going to be my standard answer. |
| 14:05.20 | Ressy | The notification for the 'rare' popped up, and wouldn't go away, and kept flashing my screen. |
| 14:05.23 | Ressy | So I uninstalled. |
| 14:05.31 | Torhal | When? During the alphas? :P |
| 14:05.43 | Ressy | Nfi |
| 14:05.43 | Noshei | http://pastebin.com/NFEfndVj |
| 14:06.01 | Ressy | to most up to date version on Curse per Voice. *shrugs* |
| 14:06.16 | Torhal | k |
| 14:06.34 | Noshei | get that on logging into any character |
| 14:06.39 | Torhal | You're all set, though, because you uninstalled. And still managed to make a snide comment. :P |
| 14:06.48 | Ressy | <3 |
| 14:07.45 | Torhal | Sorry, I've just been busting my ass for a month and a half writing this from the ground up and I'm sick of entitled pricks. |
| 14:07.58 | Torhal | So yeah, standard answer will be "Uninstall. I didn't write this for you and you aren't paying me." |
| 14:08.05 | Ressy | :( |
| 14:08.44 | Thunder_Child | I see you are going to be loads of fun at blizzcon. |
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| 14:11.53 | Torhal | I never am. |
| 14:12.34 | nevcairiel | how dare you make a rare finder addon actually notify the player when it found a rare Torhal |
| 14:12.40 | Thunder_Child | That's not true. |
| 14:13.48 | Torhal | Noshei: So... the error is in the library? o.O |
| 14:14.28 | Thunder_Child | Plan for the curse party. Get everyone drunk then change the topic to Tabs vs. Spaces. XD |
| 14:14.46 | Torhal | I don't even know if there will be a Curse party. |
| 14:14.55 | nevcairiel | Torhal: sounds like someone used Script for an xml file instead of Include |
| 14:15.23 | Torhal | That would be me. |
| 14:15.30 | Thunder_Child | Was there last year? I assumed it was a staple. |
| 14:15.40 | Thunder_Child | I am kinda out of the loop though. |
| 14:16.07 | Ressy | Curse party might just be incorporated into the twitch party |
| 14:16.11 | Ressy | I'd assume. |
| 14:16.29 | Thunder_Child | Twitch has a party at blizzcon? |
| 14:16.40 | nevcairiel | now, apparently |
| 14:16.44 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: There was last year, but not the two prior. |
| 14:17.16 | Ressy | There was in 2014. |
| 14:18.11 | Torhal | ...eh. |
| 14:18.27 | Torhal | It was better that ZAM's, but it was nothing like 2011 or 2015. |
| 14:18.34 | Ressy | Sorry, I remember Kaelten having tickets, but not feeling well so we didnt go. |
| 14:18.38 | Torhal | And 2015 sucked compared to 2011. |
| 14:19.51 | Torhal | The NPCScan project comments are so busy right now I shut them down and made a forum thread, because apparently the comment system is never going to be fixed so you can actually follow a conversation. |
| 14:19.59 | Ressy | geez |
| 14:20.10 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 14:20.18 | bluspacecow | wonder if I should try NPCScan out |
| 14:20.27 | bluspacecow | I just normally go for the star on the map |
| 14:20.43 | nevcairiel | the nesting of comments is so crazy, I mean I have seen websites where it just stops nesting at some point to serve horizontal space, but with curse it actually fails entirely and goes back several indentaiton levels =p |
| 14:20.45 | bluspacecow | feck it YOLO! |
| 14:20.56 | Semlar | the nesting isn't even the biggest issue |
| 14:21.04 | Thunder_Child | It's the out of order bit. |
| 14:21.09 | VIad | Thunder_Child: if you want a real conversation, make it about PHP vs anything and you are set |
| 14:21.18 | Torhal | nevcairiel: I tried to fix it by turning nesting off completely. All that did was hide replies altogether. |
| 14:21.20 | Semlar | it's sorting nested comments in reverse order from what it should be |
| 14:21.33 | nevcairiel | Torhal: supreme. |
| 14:21.57 | Semlar | the newest reply is at the top of the comments |
| 14:22.21 | Thunder_Child | VIad: Except there are coders that don't care about PHP, but everyone uses spacing in code. |
| 14:22.30 | VIad | ' vs " |
| 14:22.35 | bluspacecow | http://p4k.in/0kwJRYR |
| 14:22.42 | bluspacecow | Torhal should run for local council :P |
| 14:22.53 | Torhal | o.O |
| 14:23.05 | bluspacecow | you has cats |
| 14:23.08 | bluspacecow | and long hair |
| 14:23.11 | bluspacecow | your a shoo in! |
| 14:24.04 | VIad | lol |
| 14:24.27 | Phixion | \m/ |
| 14:25.32 | Torhal | Eh, I can't get too pissed. Most of the reactions are positive. It's the "YOU WROTE THIS FOR ME AND I DON'T LIKE X Y AND Z SO FIX IT!" people who make me detest humans. |
| 14:26.08 | VIad | I feel sorry for you Torhal, keeping npcscan active. you should let it die and just tell people to use silverdragon. |
| 14:26.09 | Torhal | My favorite is "Or I'll uninstall" |
| 14:26.11 | Torhal | :O |
| 14:26.33 | Torhal | VIad: Uh, I threw _NPCScan away. |
| 14:26.37 | nevcairiel | i detest those people that say "still doesnt work after latest update", so i look up his post history, and he registered an hour ago, yeah thanks for sharing your problems so thoroughly =p |
| 14:26.42 | Torhal | Started completely from scratch. |
| 14:26.55 | Torhal | Not even the same AddOn at all. |
| 14:27.04 | nevcairiel | should've gotten a new name |
| 14:27.15 | nevcairiel | then you can weed out all the idiots |
| 14:27.16 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 14:27.18 | Torhal | I did. I dropped the leading underscore. |
| 14:27.19 | Torhal | :D |
| 14:27.42 | Torhal | I actually had one guy tell me that if I didn't change a feature to the way he wanted it, he'd go back to the old version... which has incomplete data and nothing from Legion at all. |
| 14:28.07 | nevcairiel | those people need to figure out that they have nothing they can tell you that actually matters to you |
| 14:28.13 | nevcairiel | use an old version, do uninstall, why do i care! |
| 14:28.19 | Torhal | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 14:28.34 | nevcairiel | in fact, please do uninstall, it'll make me happier! |
| 14:28.34 | mckenziemc | because they'll write bug reports for old versions |
| 14:28.34 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 14:29.04 | Torhal | Anyway, I should sleep. I keep staying up hours after time... |
| 14:29.25 | Seeker` | Torhal: Thanks for NPCScan |
| 14:29.33 | Seeker` | I like the new notifications |
| 14:32.48 | mckenziemc | no Torhal, i demand you fix NPCScan, because i don't use it |
| 14:33.26 | mckenziemc | therefore you must meet my every demand so that i might be interested in installing it |
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| 14:44.12 | Semlar | i don't know if i like the idea of an npcscan without an underscore |
| 14:47.29 | Thunder_Child | npc_scan |
| 14:52.12 | Seeker` | Semlar: you could always patch your local version. That'll make you feelbetter |
| 14:55.11 | Semlar | i use Rarefied (tm) |
| 14:57.17 | Semlar | i'm impressed that they managed to make mark of the hidden satyr not only not list a source for its damage in the combat log, the player doesn't even fire a UNIT_SPELLCAST event for it |
| 15:00.25 | foxlit | wouldn't be very hidden if you could tell where it came from, would it? |
| 15:00.45 | Semlar | evidently not |
| 15:01.19 | Semlar | i don't enchant gear to have it not increase my perceived damage! |
| 15:01.58 | foxlit | it's okay, we know Hati deals most of your damage anyway. |
| 15:02.57 | Kemayo | No, no, it should be NPCScan_. Then someone could make a fork and call it NPCScan__. |
| 15:03.11 | Semlar | NPC_Scan |
| 15:04.13 | Torhal | Someone makes a fork, I'll cut them. All Rights Reserved. |
| 15:04.19 | Ressy | heh |
| 15:04.20 | Torhal | And NOW I'm going to bed. |
| 15:04.24 | Ressy | Sleep well |
| 15:04.49 | Semlar | does "research the full history of your artifact" mean researching a couple dozen artifact notes |
| 15:05.12 | ls- | k, "fixed" itemLink issue |
| 15:05.22 | nevcairiel | Semlar: 25, i assume |
| 15:05.50 | ls- | damn, I should as TheDanW if it's intended or not :p |
| 15:06.03 | nevcairiel | Semlar: all the goals in that line are really long term |
| 15:06.10 | ls- | ask* |
| 15:06.12 | nevcairiel | all traits, full research, etc |
| 15:06.52 | Semlar | i'm having trouble completing "balance of power" since apparently it requires the raid to be open |
| 15:06.56 | nevcairiel | and several weeks worth of archaeo quests |
| 15:07.00 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 15:07.09 | nevcairiel | i would love to have that appearance |
| 15:07.15 | nevcairiel | well, rather have the blue one |
| 15:07.19 | nevcairiel | but need the primary one first |
| 15:07.28 | nevcairiel | (which is green) |
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| 15:07.43 | Semlar | i like the base look of the bow more than the second tier |
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| 15:07.55 | Semlar | so i'm not too concerned about all of those taking forever to unlock |
| 15:08.18 | nevcairiel | i dont like the second tier much either, pve and pvp are pretty cool though |
| 15:08.27 | nevcairiel | unfortunately the best pvp look is the last one, so meh |
| 15:08.50 | Semlar | i like the second to last pvp bow |
| 15:09.00 | Semlar | i don't even know what a crest of carnage is |
| 15:09.38 | Semlar | is that just tied to the prestige rank |
| 15:09.44 | nevcairiel | presumably |
| 15:11.35 | foxlit | just win a small ffa tournament against your 50 closest pvp competitors. |
| 15:12.44 | nevcairiel | apparently prestige levels are also locked behind seasons, so right now you can only get to 4 |
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| 15:15.02 | foxlit | I wonder how many pristines you would on average get in 25 arch artifact solves. |
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| 15:21.00 | Semlar | pvp makes me not even want to play my hunter because every class appears to be able to heal except for mine |
| 15:23.40 | foxlit | tell your pet to spec restoration? |
| 15:23.48 | Semlar | i don't have a pet |
| 15:24.14 | Thunder_Child | Hunters have a heal.....on a 2 min cd. |
| 15:24.26 | Semlar | for 30% of their health |
| 15:24.40 | foxlit | you murdered your pet to be a poor excuse for a rogue? |
| 15:24.54 | Semlar | i murdered my pet so i could stand still casting 2 second aimed shots in a battleground |
| 15:25.14 | Semlar | this spec is pretty ill suited for pvp |
| 15:25.54 | Thunder_Child | Mages don't have a heal. |
| 15:26.10 | Thunder_Child | Which is why I will pvp on my lock or pally. |
| 15:26.14 | nevcairiel | actually fire mages do |
| 15:26.26 | nevcairiel | blink around and you get healed |
| 15:26.29 | Thunder_Child | Blink doesn't count |
| 15:26.31 | Semlar | i'm trying to remember the last mage i saw in a BG |
| 15:27.52 | Semlar | does my artifact weapon actually get its upgrades in a battleground |
| 15:27.56 | Seeker` | doesn't ice block do healing? |
| 15:28.14 | foxlit | that's a talent, iirc |
| 15:29.10 | Semlar | oh, i can unlock scatter shot at some point as an honor talent |
| 15:29.13 | Semlar | so i guess there's that |
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| 15:43.00 | Semlar | alright, it would take a lot of battlegrounds to get to honor rank 50 twice |
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| 15:44.28 | Semlar | which i think is what it takes to unlock your first pvp appearance |
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| 16:13.03 | nevcairiel | Yes |
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| 16:42.25 | TheDanW | ls-: ask me what? |
| 16:42.41 | ls- | hi! |
| 16:44.20 | ls- | why do different events use different item links for the same item? SHOW_LOOT_TOAST > item:129090::::::::103:252:::1:1794::: vs CHAT_MSG_LOOT > item:129090::::::::103:252:512::1:1794:103::: O_o |
| 16:45.21 | Thunder_Child | Extra info? |
| 16:46.34 | ls- | SHOW_LOOT_TOAST provides itemLink w/o upgradeTypeID and upgradeValue, CHAT_MSG_LOOT's link has them O_o |
| 16:47.14 | ls- | well, these two events fire for the same item, when you loot it, and this difference is a bit weird... |
| 16:49.20 | Thunder_Child | I assume because the link displays that info whereas the toast does not? |
| 16:49.23 | Thunder_Child | Best guess. |
| 16:49.37 | Thunder_Child | Or rather, can display. |
| 16:49.56 | ls- | toast does display this info O_o |
| 16:50.31 | ls- | I mean, it shows tooltip for the item :p |
| 16:55.35 | modernist | ugh what are these chatframe overflows |
| 16:59.11 | VIad | a lot of errors with the default UI on targeting vehicles :'( |
| 16:59.13 | VIad | Message: Interface\FrameXML\CompactUnitFrame.lua:346: Usage: UnitDetailedThreatSituation("unit" [, "mob"]) |
| 17:06.44 | ls- | damn, there's something else I wanted to ask :(( |
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| 17:20.12 | TheDanW | ls-: not sure, thats what the server is sending us |
| 17:20.25 | TheDanW | in theory they'd be the same ;) |
| 17:21.07 | ls- | yeah, I was really surprised, when I found out that they were not T_T |
| 17:21.24 | Thunder_Child | Tell the server to get its shit together. |
| 17:21.29 | TheDanW | all the time |
| 17:21.37 | ls- | haha :D |
| 17:22.14 | TheDanW | unless something is broken probably not gonna bother tracing server code to see why they diverge ;) |
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| 17:23.59 | ls- | oh, TheDanW, could you please add transmog notifications for green and blue items? cuz right now we get notifications, only when epic appearances are added to or removed from collection. |
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| 17:25.58 | Thunder_Child | And orange. |
| 17:26.20 | ls- | and orange :D |
| 17:31.08 | TheDanW | i'll ask our transmog guy about it |
| 17:31.18 | Sharparam | appearances can be removed? |
| 17:31.28 | TheDanW | yes |
| 17:31.35 | Sharparam | when :o |
| 17:31.45 | Shockah | Sharparam, quick example: group loot, get an epic item |
| 17:31.51 | Shockah | then trade it to someone else |
| 17:31.53 | foxlit | Green things typically aren't bound to you, so you really don't lock their appearances on acquisition outside of quest rewards. |
| 17:31.54 | Sharparam | ah |
| 17:31.55 | Sharparam | i see |
| 17:32.39 | TheDanW | in 7.1, you'll get the notification for greens that were boe and you then bind, and all blues or higher |
| 17:32.47 | Shockah | also something with buying an item from a merchant, then refunding it |
| 17:32.48 | TheDanW | he's going to look into adding an unfiltered event |
| 17:33.11 | ls- | noice <3 hug him pls :D |
| 17:33.30 | TheDanW | standard caveats, no promises etc |
| 17:33.31 | Sharparam | but on anything that is bound to you and you then sell it (excluding refund) are permanent, right? |
| 17:33.40 | ls- | sure sure :p |
| 17:39.17 | znf | you actually get a prompt when trading that the apperance will be removed |
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| 17:40.41 | znf | Is the casting tolerance still a thing? |
| 17:40.53 | znf | latency tolerance, whatever it was called |
| 17:43.26 | foxlit | yes, and no. Just push the buttons harder, it'll work. |
| 17:43.44 | znf | ... |
| 17:43.50 | znf | spell queueing |
| 17:43.50 | foxlit | (client does whatever it pleases now, but that should be the right thing(tm).) |
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| 17:47.57 | znf | so how do I fix this annoying Void Form issue, then? |
| 17:50.02 | foxlit | 1. Locate Deathwing. 2. Stand in the fire. 3. Reroll druid. |
| 17:50.12 | modernist | is there a way to check if a string has been truncated |
| 17:50.16 | foxlit | There are no user-adjustable knobs on the casting mechanism, iirc. |
| 17:50.59 | Guill | modernist: :IsTruncated() |
| 17:51.26 | modernist | i probably should've searched that first eh |
| 17:51.45 | modernist | thanks |
| 17:56.26 | Semlar | Guill did you make it so mark of the hidden satyr doesn't identify the player who cast it so i would show up lower on the damage meters |
| 17:57.36 | Guill | Semlar: I don't know anything about a change like that. |
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| 17:58.32 | Semlar | well, when the neck enchant procs it just shows up as damage with no source |
| 18:01.01 | Semlar | so my dps is like 1% lower than it should be |
| 18:02.04 | znf | oh noes |
| 18:02.05 | znf | the meters |
| 18:38.38 | VIad | if name == "Semlar" then return end |
| 18:38.58 | VIad | if I had a dmg meter I'd hardcode Bodypull in it and reduce dmg by 20% |
| 18:39.00 | VIad | :> |
| 18:39.54 | VIad | nevcairiel: any point for a big army in training if you got all upgrades? |
| 18:39.59 | VIad | wasting my manas :p |
| 18:40.18 | VIad | like can 1300 be enough for the 400 score run? |
| 18:43.37 | VIad | I think 15 is enough, and saves me a lot of crystals |
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| 18:47.27 | VIad | I wish spectral sight could see quest objective related stuff :p if not friendlies |
| 18:51.26 | TheDanW | ls-: from our transmog engineer |
| 18:51.30 | TheDanW | new events: TRANSMOG_COLLECTION_SOURCE_ADDED and TRANSMOG_COLLECTION_SOURCE_REMOVED, parameter is sourceID |
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| 18:54.43 | VIad | ah cool |
| 18:54.47 | VIad | no more system message parsing |
| 18:54.48 | VIad | thank lord |
| 18:55.12 | TheDanW | its unfiltered, so all green items will generate the event |
| 18:55.24 | TheDanW | also sources that aren't for your current class |
| 18:55.53 | VIad | good good |
| 18:56.21 | VIad | do you mean to also say that API can now tell you transmog collection status on non-class items? |
| 18:56.43 | VIad | I often loot cloth (BOE) on my DK and can't even check if I have the look unlocked or not so I gotta mail and check :p |
| 19:02.55 | TheDanW | i'm not sure on that |
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| 19:09.01 | VIad | kk, just checking |
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| 19:11.40 | Primer | sigh, I fucked up when putting traits into my MS weapon |
| 19:12.02 | Primer | There's no way to reset that is there? |
| 19:17.14 | Thunder_Child | I think there is. |
| 19:17.20 | Thunder_Child | But it costs something. |
| 19:18.34 | bshelden | It costs the next level. |
| 19:18.41 | Semlar | i think it's a percentage of your artifact power |
| 19:18.52 | bshelden | When you're ready to spend a point, talk to the reset dude, usually next to the place you spend them. |
| 19:18.54 | Primer | yeah, 30600 AP at 19 :( |
| 19:19.22 | bshelden | You wern't intended to reset this thing, but if your gain is likely to be higher than wasting a point, that's the way to do it. |
| 19:19.43 | Primer | Well, as long as I can get to 21 by Tuesday... |
| 19:19.58 | Thunder_Child | That's a lot of grind. |
| 19:20.29 | foxlit | An unreasonable amount of grind, even. |
| 19:20.49 | bshelden | Only for those who need to be at theroetical 100%. |
| 19:21.18 | bshelden | But for those, if you didn't cap on day 1 and aren't grinding any time a world quest isn't up, you're failing. |
| 19:21.25 | bshelden | chooses not to |
| 19:21.29 | foxlit | Eat the small inefficiencies in the name of happiness, imo. |
| 19:21.34 | bshelden | Yep |
| 19:22.00 | Primer | actually, hrmm |
| 19:22.40 | Primer | My raid leader said the expectation was 2 gold traits by raid, but even if I had put the points into the "correct" traits, I'm still 57k AP off (at the moment) |
| 19:23.03 | foxlit | This kind of varies wildly by artifact. |
| 19:23.11 | bshelden | That's an odd line, and not even close to the same for each spec. |
| 19:23.16 | foxlit | Resto druid 2 golds are like rank 16? |
| 19:23.21 | Semlar | yeah i didn't get my first gold trait until most people almost had their second |
| 19:23.23 | bshelden | I'm easily there on my tank DH |
| 19:23.28 | Primer | well, I only know my MS, which is feral |
| 19:24.38 | Primer | According to AMR, the second gold trait is the 11th, but I'm not sure how many points that is |
| 19:25.08 | bshelden | points at wowhead's arti calculator |
| 19:25.29 | foxlit | sadness: having to look at websites to guide artifact progression. |
| 19:25.40 | Semlar | how could you possibly get 2 gold traits at rank 11 |
| 19:25.57 | foxlit | Semlar: 11th trait unlocked, not rank 11. |
| 19:26.10 | Semlar | who would even measure it that way |
| 19:26.19 | foxlit | people who put numbers on icons saying "pick this next" |
| 19:26.50 | Semlar | i got my first gold trait at rank 16 but i took a ridiculously long route to get to it |
| 19:27.16 | bshelden | Careful of the golds anyway. For some specs, the non-gold 1 pointers can be more important. |
| 19:27.31 | bshelden | In other words, read the traits and decide. |
| 19:28.12 | Semlar | why does my weapon have defensive traits on it |
| 19:28.38 | Semlar | is it so that i have to go around them to get at the ones that make me do more damage? |
| 19:29.26 | foxlit | it's so that you stop tanking the floor so often. |
| 19:29.28 | bshelden | I'm a fan of not contributing to my healer going oom due to unavoidable raid damage. |
| 19:30.25 | bshelden | (Extreme example) The game isn't designed for DPS to have 1hp. Their health does matter, so defensives matter. |
| 19:30.56 | Semlar | one makes aspect of the turtle regen like a third of your health over its duration, one reduces damage taken when you disengage |
| 19:31.45 | bshelden | Yep. Disengage will hurt you less if something lands behind you mid jump, and aspect means you can eat something and a healer can focus on the tank instead. |
| 19:31.56 | bshelden | That is, you can respond to damage with turtle |
| 19:32.42 | Semlar | the only time i would use that cooldown in a raid is if i was about to be hit by something big and unavoidable, and then immediately cancel it so i can attack again |
| 19:33.09 | bshelden | I don't play with perfect players. Shit goes south one in awhile. That becomes a response button. |
| 19:33.55 | Primer | yeah, I can get 2 golds at 20 as feral |
| 19:34.11 | Semlar | i'll have my second one at 20 |
| 19:35.17 | modernist | not totally sure why im getting dumped into combat for a second every now and then but its making suramar extra interesting |
| 19:35.51 | Semlar | because http://gfycat.com/ActiveBelovedDuiker |
| 19:36.11 | bshelden | I got my 2nd on 17 (15 points). Could have on earlier but there was a 1 pointer I needed for what I was going for. |
| 19:36.13 | foxlit | yeah, I had that exact thing too. |
| 19:36.36 | foxlit | Except I had Broll, and no feign death. |
| 19:36.48 | Semlar | don't worry, my crab's got my back |
| 19:36.52 | bshelden | That gif explains why I tank in the overworld. |
| 19:37.18 | bshelden | Fart fire.. Barf fire. Jump. Then do my quest in peace. |
| 19:37.21 | foxlit | I think none of those are evil 2m health npcs, so pop defensive cooldowns and kill them all. |
| 19:38.05 | Semlar | i had to kill them all, i couldn't stand back up without aggroing them |
| 19:38.06 | bshelden | I'm pretty sure my DH is snacking on thermite biscuts or something. |
| 19:38.14 | bshelden | I dunno, but there's a lot of fire comming out of her. |
| 19:39.29 | Primer | So yesterday there was no obliterum in the AH, so I listed all of mine at a pretty hefty price, and today there's 5 pages of it |
| 19:40.03 | Semlar | they're breeding! |
| 19:40.11 | Primer | People were saying there was duping. I read that duping was something that happened in wow many years ago, but it's not really possible any more. |
| 19:40.31 | Primer | Just curious if duping is still possible somehow |
| 19:40.40 | Semlar | it has definitely been possible on multiple different occasions using different methods |
| 19:41.46 | Semlar | kind of like the recent felslate exploit where people could just keep mining the same basilisk without it despawning |
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| 19:49.20 | znf | anyone else got mass d/c'd ? |
| 19:49.21 | znf | from EU |
| 19:49.26 | Andols | yepp |
| 19:49.49 | modernist | my whole guild just disappeared |
| 19:49.52 | modernist | im still on! |
| 19:49.59 | Andols | stuck at "logging in to game server for a while" but now I'm in again |
| 19:50.06 | znf | yeah, UK apparently is still on |
| 19:50.55 | Andols | znf, was it you that also played on Silvermoon? |
| 19:51.00 | znf | no |
| 19:51.09 | znf | hmm, my guild is in |
| 19:51.15 | znf | but I'm still logging in to game server |
| 19:51.23 | Gnarfoz | half of our guild was affected, heh |
| 19:51.28 | Gnarfoz | also 2/5 of my dungeon team |
| 19:51.49 | modernist | who was it who referred to the suramar's "nope zone" yesterday |
| 19:51.53 | modernist | because i just found it |
| 19:52.11 | Gnarfoz | possibly me, or anyone else who's done for example Stelleris Shakedown |
| 19:52.25 | znf | ^^ |
| 19:52.28 | Andols | I did get a few big lag spikes a while before, maybe a network node somewhere went down :P |
| 19:52.30 | znf | anyone who's attuned |
| 19:52.43 | znf | has anyone experienced the "Crash #132" thingie when they relog? |
| 19:52.44 | znf | sometimes? |
| 19:53.14 | Primer | Isn't that the "delete your cache directory" problem? |
| 19:54.27 | modernist | this "plants rumours" questline |
| 19:54.31 | modernist | jesus christ |
| 19:54.34 | foxlit | odd thought: should run mythics late in the week to maximize art knowledge |
| 19:54.44 | Ressy | znf: Pastebin your error log for me. |
| 19:55.56 | Stanzilla | znf: disable canimogit |
| 19:57.06 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: been doing that |
| 19:57.11 | foxlit | (this week's archaeology quest is odd. Dunno why I'm taking orders from the Reliquary as alliance) |
| 19:59.21 | znf | Ressy, something about item cache |
| 19:59.24 | znf | Stanzilla, oh. |
| 20:10.05 | Ressy | ah. |
| 20:10.08 | Ressy | Wipe cache then. |
| 20:18.23 | kullervo | foxlit: why was the horde taking orders from Harrison Jones or Brann before? |
| 20:19.04 | foxlit | Jones is a joke, and Brann is a "for the good of Azeroth, I need you to kill this old god" kind of guy |
| 20:19.42 | foxlit | whereas this quest chain is literally "we're searching for power; go dig stuff up and we'll see if we can use it in the war" |
| 20:35.42 | Semlar | i feel like the mission success chance mentioned when i complete a mission doesn't match the success chance it had when i sent my guys on it |
| 20:36.48 | Semlar | i should start keeping track |
| 20:37.18 | Semlar | i'm reasonably sure this mission only had an 80% chance at the bonus when i started it, but it now says 100% chance when it finished |
| 20:37.35 | nevcairiel | If it goes up, why do you complain :¢ |
| 20:37.55 | Semlar | because it shouldn't be different |
| 20:38.48 | Semlar | i think it's adding the 20% bonus i get for the "first mission of the day" to the success screen |
| 20:39.24 | Semlar | ..as for whether it's actually adding that bonus to every mission that's being completed, i'm not sure |
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| 20:47.42 | bshelden | Ok, world quests are feeling out of hand. Those things really shouldn't have base levels higher than the content I've completed. |
| 20:47.56 | bshelden | I'm routinely seeing 840+ world quests. I've done one heroic. |
| 20:48.08 | nevcairiel | But then how would you get upgrades? |
| 20:48.13 | bshelden | By doing the content. |
| 20:48.18 | bshelden | And war/titan forges |
| 20:48.26 | nevcairiel | Seems pointless to only hope for a proc |
| 20:48.42 | bshelden | World quests are far and away the easiest route to top level gear. |
| 20:48.45 | nevcairiel | It's just a ilvl threshold to reach |
| 20:48.48 | bshelden | This is... bizarre |
| 20:48.48 | foxlit | the number of 840 bases doesn't really go up. |
| 20:49.01 | bshelden | I've never step foot in a mythic, but I have an average ilvl of 840. |
| 20:49.03 | bshelden | Wut? |
| 20:49.20 | foxlit | war and titanforges. |
| 20:49.26 | bshelden | And lots of 840 missions |
| 20:49.38 | nevcairiel | Why does there have to only be one progression path |
| 20:49.49 | bshelden | The paths should feel similar for effort : reward. |
| 20:49.57 | bshelden | World quests trivialize themselves for better rewards. |
| 20:50.40 | bshelden | To phrase that differently, their difficulty is tuned for a much lower average ilvl than they reward. I expected a modestly better reward. |
| 20:51.18 | nevcairiel | They don't get harder as you increase in power, so what can you do |
| 20:51.36 | bshelden | Cap their rewards somehow. At least cap them to the highest source you've otherwise acquired. |
| 20:51.49 | nevcairiel | That's stupid |
| 20:51.53 | bshelden | They shouldn't be a progression path without difficulty increasing. |
| 20:52.18 | bshelden | So are they. They're by far the best effort : reward path. Eclipsed by... nothing, come to think of it. |
| 20:52.23 | nevcairiel | It's just dungeon level, and the number of 840 base items per week is pretty low |
| 20:52.26 | nebula | mythics are trivial to run, they're like the baseline progression path, along with wq and what have you |
| 20:52.27 | bshelden | Not even LFR touchest his. |
| 20:52.52 | bshelden | Maybe that's the issue, we're on the "easy" side of the balance swing. |
| 20:52.59 | bshelden | But this is making WotLK look difficult... |
| 20:53.06 | nevcairiel | Outside of dungeon quests I don't even remember when I last saw an 840 reward |
| 20:53.18 | bshelden | I had three last night, two of which procced. |
| 20:53.32 | bshelden | A relic, a trinket, and a neck. |
| 20:53.44 | bshelden | And I'm told a ring came up in darkheart today (normals count) |
| 20:54.23 | bshelden | Since my ilvl is 840, they're really common. |
| 20:54.38 | bshelden | But it only got there because of world quests. I've never seen the inside of a mythic this xpack. |
| 20:54.50 | nebula | so what? |
| 20:55.05 | bshelden | Too easy. No sense of accomplishment. Feels like progress quest. |
| 20:55.35 | nebula | running dungeons is easy and boring for me, same shit |
| 20:55.45 | nevcairiel | Dungeon level gearing was never hard |
| 20:55.49 | bshelden | At least the difficulty (numerically) scales with the reward |
| 20:55.56 | bshelden | World quests don't even do that. |
| 20:56.06 | bshelden | Click four totems and kill one mob. Here's an 835+ piece. |
| 20:56.30 | nebula | world quests take into account your ilvl for what reward they offer, so they'll always be somewhat relevant |
| 20:56.55 | bshelden | Yes, and I don't disagree with that per se. What I wish was that the pool had harder quests to offer based on level that get added as your ilvl increases. |
| 20:56.58 | nevcairiel | Up to a point, don't think it goes beyond 840 |
| 20:57.02 | nebula | once raids come out, wq power gains will seem less |
| 20:57.24 | nebula | nevcairiel: i imagine they'll raise the cap each tier |
| 20:58.01 | nevcairiel | Mythic is the new heroic for dungeons, noone would bat an eye of it would be blue and not say mythic on it :p |
| 20:58.14 | bshelden | I do get (and agree) with their response that having them scale with ilvl would remove the sense of progress. The solution (ignoring the fact that this takes time) is to have a pool with harder quests that unlock as you progress, so you get new challenges, and the old ones are easier. |
| 20:58.35 | nevcairiel | Actually they have those |
| 20:58.48 | nevcairiel | Half of suramar city is rather deadly |
| 20:58.55 | bshelden | Mrh, am tank. |
| 20:59.17 | bshelden | I drop disguise and murder everything in sight so I can quest in peace. (arcwine theft) |
| 20:59.35 | nevcairiel | Then you don't count, tanks can solo anything |
| 20:59.38 | bshelden | Still, lets assume that worked as intended (I'm the new golden child tank class, so yeah, I'm in need of a nerf) |
| 20:59.40 | nevcairiel | Try a dpser |
| 20:59.48 | bshelden | Attach the best gear rewards to the hardest quests. |
| 21:00.19 | bshelden | The click four things and kill one mob with +50% hp example above was literal. I got an upgrade off of that easy feltotem quest last night. |
| 21:00.23 | foxlit | still works in that area. |
| 21:00.47 | foxlit | There are actually difficult (numerically) quests in suramar, but there's no world quest reward that'd make them worth doing. |
| 21:01.09 | bshelden | Put the gear upgrades there. |
| 21:01.29 | foxlit | There are no more gear upgrades for me. |
| 21:01.31 | bshelden | Have quests you trivialized reward useful, but non-ugprade rewards. OR, AP, gold, resources, recipes, etc. |
| 21:01.45 | bshelden | I'm running out myself. And way too quickly. |
| 21:01.49 | nebula | the idea of "hard quests" is just silly, how do you make something hard? more health and damage? have those, you just zerg it down with everyone else. complicated process to proceed through something? after you do it once, you know it. add multiple steps that requires more time to complete? that's not difficult, that's annoying. |
| 21:02.12 | bshelden | nebula: If you don't ackowledge 'diffulty' in this game, there's no common ground for us to debate. |
| 21:02.27 | nebula | that's my point, difficulty is relative |
| 21:02.43 | bshelden | My complaint is the Effort : Reward ratio is off, badly, for world quests. |
| 21:02.58 | bshelden | I'm sitting near the top of the possible gear level, and I've run exactly one instance, and zero pvp. |
| 21:03.16 | bshelden | I log in, do the gear WQs + the emmisary, and that's it. |
| 21:03.26 | bshelden | One heroic* |
| 21:03.33 | bshelden | Done plenty of normals to help people with quests. |
| 21:03.36 | foxlit | They kind of switched the labels. |
| 21:03.38 | nebula | once raids come out, you'll find yourself no longer at the top, and you won't progress further without doing "difficult" things |
| 21:03.54 | bshelden | That depends on if WQs are left behind. If so, my complaint goes poof. |
| 21:04.11 | bshelden | But in the saddest way, because they're an awesome mechanic, just poorly tuned. |
| 21:04.17 | foxlit | "heroics" is the old "normal"; the gear level you're at is "kind of geared through the old MoP heroics" |
| 21:04.34 | bshelden | Assumption check: 840 is the base drop level of mythics |
| 21:04.50 | foxlit | Right. |
| 21:05.19 | bshelden | So I'm already at that base level, before setting foot in one. Now, one can argue that I've been lucky with procs (true), so I'll rewind my argument to the base level of rewards. |
| 21:05.20 | foxlit | And mythic difficulty is the rebadged old heroic, minus the matchmaker. |
| 21:05.38 | bshelden | 830+ is common. 835+ is at least 2 a night. |
| 21:06.02 | bshelden | If (if!) world quests stay behind raiding and rated BGs, my complaint goes away. |
| 21:06.13 | bshelden | Or at least no better than at-par. |
| 21:06.24 | bshelden | But if I can keep up on WQs alone, there's a problem. |
| 21:07.20 | nevcairiel | you can keep up by running normal dungeons alone if thats your thing |
| 21:07.30 | nevcairiel | but it'll take you 24/7 playing and a lot of luck |
| 21:07.39 | bshelden | Sort of. It becomes increasingly worse for time:reward. |
| 21:07.48 | modernist | whats the difficulty change, if any, of mythic+ |
| 21:07.51 | bshelden | WQs as they're currently tuned, no so much. The effort:reward stays solid. |
| 21:07.52 | nebula | like, what are you not understanding about wq's just being an alternative progression path to gear up for doing your "difficult" things, mainly mythic+ and raids |
| 21:08.14 | bshelden | modernist: Numbers + modifiers (Everybody enrages at 20%, threat doesn't work as well, that kind of thing) |
| 21:08.17 | nebula | relative effort is really moot between the ways to get starter gear |
| 21:08.22 | nevcairiel | just dont forget that its nothing but entry level |
| 21:08.28 | nevcairiel | WQs dont go over 840 |
| 21:08.35 | nevcairiel | minus procs |
| 21:08.45 | bshelden | For now, and pre-proc. But procs seem to stop at 850 right now, and I have a good number of those pieces. |
| 21:08.51 | bshelden | Procs aren't rare. |
| 21:08.56 | foxlit | Procs are rare. |
| 21:09.06 | bshelden | Then I've the luckiest guy on the planet this last week. |
| 21:09.08 | nevcairiel | procs can go to 895 on the 21st |
| 21:09.10 | bshelden | Most of my gear is procced somehow. |
| 21:09.11 | foxlit | And maybe you have. |
| 21:09.34 | bshelden | Procs are pretty common among the same set that is my guild right now. Perhaps we're well above the curve. Only Blizzard can know that one. |
| 21:09.42 | bshelden | s/same/small/ |
| 21:09.43 | nevcairiel | but it procs every +5 increase independently, and as such the probability of getting a much higher item is going to get lower and lower |
| 21:09.58 | nevcairiel | +5 or +10 procs may be somewhat common-ish, but the higher you get, the rarer its going to be |
| 21:10.06 | bshelden | Yep. |
| 21:10.23 | bshelden | Which right now means it's easy to hit the cap. |
| 21:10.52 | nevcairiel | anyway i dont mind if someone can gear with WQs alone, he is still going to take longer then someone who does all the content |
| 21:10.53 | bshelden | That will change, yes. Then it depends on how high WQs will scale relative to raids/rated BGs |
| 21:11.04 | nevcairiel | i'm 850 now, and i was 848 or so after the first week |
| 21:11.20 | nevcairiel | WQs dont do that for you =p |
| 21:11.53 | nebula | nevcairiel: can come close if you get a legendary from a wq cache! |
| 21:12.02 | bshelden | I'll be at 850 pretty soon at the rate I'm going. I'm held back by a couple very low pieces(still have a couple 805s I cba to upgrade another way) |
| 21:12.15 | bshelden | Legendaries are pure dumb luck right now, so I'm more or less ignoring those. |
| 21:12.36 | bshelden | When we've played long enough that the bad luck protection ensures most people have them, I'll factor those in. |
| 21:14.38 | Stanzilla | 7.1.0.22578 on the ptr |
| 21:15.21 | bshelden | Anyway, back to work. I appreciate the debate :) |
| 21:17.00 | ccox | âEquip: Grants the Flaming Keg ability, which does exactly what you think it will do.â |
| 21:55.23 | VIad | "Unknown Class; Major Glyphs; Travel Form" >_> |
| 21:55.31 | VIad | for real, chaud__? |
| 21:59.33 | mfgmfg | Stanzilla, no char copy yet though |
| 22:00.06 | mfgmfg | nvm it's showing up now |
| 22:00.21 | Alram | have a link for me |
| 22:00.23 | Alram | not showing up here yet |
| 22:00.48 | mfgmfg | in-game |
| 22:00.56 | mfgmfg | may need to make a character first then log out |
| 22:00.59 | Alram | oh right |
| 22:01.00 | Alram | im so old |
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| 22:04.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Elektrode11 (~Elektrode@wsip-72-215-244-100.br.br.cox.net) |
| 22:05.24 | nevcairiel | yay the travel form glyph seems to be coming back |
| 22:05.44 | mfgmfg | new NPC on PTR http://i.imgur.com/O7Vi3wu.png trade bloods |
| 22:07.14 | foxlit | nevcairiel: and what must we give in return? |
| 22:07.51 | Ressy | ooooh. Nice |
| 22:08.08 | nevcairiel | foxlit: still cant combine it with other glyphs so no orca anymore |
| 22:08.30 | foxlit | but they have like a wholly separate stag form. |
| 22:10.15 | foxlit | could've just put it on that (then again, that would lose the acquatic auto-shift) |
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| 22:14.27 | mfgmfg | blacksmith NPC has a quest to upgrade legendary up to ilvl 925 |
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| 22:17.40 | Ssateneth | Is there an addon to automatically select the appropriate dungeon journal page when you are in a dungeon/raid? |
| 22:17.48 | Ssateneth | that faeture worked by default in WoD |
| 22:17.52 | Ssateneth | but seems broken in legion |
| 22:19.50 | nevcairiel | havent had that problem in legion so far |
| 22:20.03 | foxlit | map -> click boss portrait anyway. |
| 22:20.43 | mfgmfg | what was the new API function thedanw added for ilvl |
| 22:21.30 | mfgmfg | GetDetailedItemLevelInfo |
| 22:21.42 | nevcairiel | presumably that, yes |
| 22:23.26 | mfgmfg | returning 850,0,810 on a titanforged item |
| 22:23.36 | mfgmfg | presumably effectiveLevel, previewLevel, origLevel |
| 22:24.59 | Freddie | neat |
| 22:25.48 | mfgmfg | Ketho, your addon is getting obsoleted https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ptr/Blizzard_ArtifactUI/Blizzard_ArtifactPowerButton.lua/diff#53 |
| 22:25.59 | mfgmfg | no relic link that i can see though |
| 22:26.44 | Ketho | mfgmfg: wow, thanks |
| 22:26.45 | Ketho | is the PTR is on patch 7.1? |
| 22:26.48 | mfgmfg | yes |
| 22:27.19 | Ketho | should have scrolled back a bit more :s |
| 22:28.59 | Ketho | yeah no relic linking |
| 22:30.23 | mfgmfg | EXPERIMENTAL_FEATURE_TURNED_ON_WARNING = "You've enabled one or more experimental features. This may cause unexpected behavior."; |
| 22:31.39 | nevcairiel | yay 7.1 fixes raid frame unit popups |
| 22:31.46 | nevcairiel | complaining works! |
| 22:31.47 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:31.52 | mfgmfg | SEND_MONEY_TO_STRANGER_WARNING = "This character might be someone you don't know. |n|n Really send %s the following amount?"; |
| 22:32.54 | Ressy | nice |
| 22:33.04 | mfgmfg | blizzard map has filters for WQ types |
| 22:34.56 | nevcairiel | map always had filters |
| 22:35.05 | nevcairiel | just limited to pet and professions which you could hide |
| 22:35.37 | pompy | i just tried to link that globalvar in gchat and got "2x SendChatMessage(): Invalid escape code in chat message" |
| 22:35.52 | pompy | the | i guess? |
| 22:36.18 | pompy | or the %s |
| 22:37.33 | TheDanW | mfgmfg: thats correct |
| 22:38.33 | mfgmfg | hmm what else is new |
| 22:40.12 | Guill | pompy: What do you mean by "link that globalvar in gchat"? If you directly called SendChatMessage with it, yes, the "|" will cause issues if you don't escape it. If you type/paste something in an edit box, it should automatically escape pipes. |
| 22:40.14 | mfgmfg | nevcairiel, reward filters i mean |
| 22:40.26 | mfgmfg | 5 new ones in 7.1 |
| 22:40.41 | mfgmfg | imgur isn't working to upload images now augh |
| 22:40.47 | pompy | Guill: no i just c/p it |
| 22:40.51 | pompy | didnt use scm |
| 22:41.14 | Guill | pompy: Are you using the default UI or some sort of chat AddOn? |
| 22:43.27 | TheDanW | mfgmfg: if you're into writing widget libraries then ScrollingMessageFrame.xml may be of interest |
| 22:43.29 | foxlit | unrelated: could we get a SABT variant that runs SAB_OnClick in response to OnDragReceived instead of OnClick? |
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| 22:43.56 | pompy | Guill: prat but i disabled it and it still did it |
| 22:44.21 | Simca | heh you guys raised the strata of a few frames |
| 22:44.30 | Simca | that is playing funny with my addons |
| 22:44.42 | Simca | also, some weird mouseover behavior |
| 22:44.54 | pompy | Guill: disabled all addons and tried it and it errored |
| 22:45.01 | TheDanW | Simca: how so? |
| 22:45.52 | Simca | I have a hidden frame that appears when you mouse over the area where it is hiding, and in 7.1, it appears on mouseover, but doesn't disappear on leave |
| 22:45.58 | Simca | in 7.0.3 both work fine |
| 22:46.09 | Guill | pompy: Sounds like it's probably an issue with pasting then. I think it may be caused by the optimization of pasting into edit boxes. |
| 22:46.11 | pompy | Guill: since ptr is out, im referring to live |
| 22:46.17 | Ketho | why is the camera max distance slider gone |
| 22:46.20 | bshelden | Does anything exist that will let me link arbitrary artifact appearances? |
| 22:46.30 | TheDanW | Simca: hrm, if you have a minimal code sample i'll have someone take a look |
| 22:46.39 | pompy | i linked EXPERIMENTAL_FEATURE_TURNED_ON_WARNING = "You've enabled one or more experimental features. This may cause unexpected behavior."; ...... and it sent fine |
| 22:46.46 | Guill | Ketho: The CVar defaults to the max value now. |
| 22:46.56 | Simca | i'm so glad for that |
| 22:46.58 | foxlit | Funnily enough it's only |n. |
| 22:47.00 | Simca | that slider was so stupid |
| 22:47.19 | Ketho | ow, that's actually nice |
| 22:47.23 | Simca | since all it enabled was the -option- to scroll back farther |
| 22:47.24 | foxlit | Which makes me think that it's actually quoting that pipe just fine, and then some over-zealous validation chokes on ||n |
| 22:48.13 | Ketho | wait, is the max value back to 1.9 now? instead of 2.6? |
| 22:48.44 | Guill | It's possible this edit box bug is just one that's been in for a long time |
| 22:49.22 | Simca | Ketho: maybe? they did make it sound like the 7.0.3 hotfix was a temporary reprieve |
| 22:49.32 | TheDanW | Ketho: no, it was renamed to cameraDistanceMaxZoomFactor |
| 22:49.43 | TheDanW | it defaults to 1.9, max is still 2.6 |
| 22:50.10 | TheDanW | it will save between sessions now |
| 22:50.45 | Simca | (thank god) |
| 22:50.55 | Ketho | great |
| 22:51.21 | Guill | Looks like this |n issue has been in for a really long time. |
| 22:51.49 | TheDanW | other new stuff, cursorSizePreferred and uiScaleMultiplier may be of interest to high dpi users |
| 22:53.26 | Stanzilla | oh a live patch too |
| 22:53.30 | Stanzilla | on a roll today |
| 22:54.17 | Stanzilla | and bnet app too |
| 22:54.30 | mfgmfg | thanks for the detail on that TheDanW |
| 22:55.12 | pompy | Guill: nice! |
| 22:55.15 | Stanzilla | TheDanW: any chance those goodies will make their way to the official patch notes? or maybe a special UI changelog by you guys? |
| 22:56.33 | TheDanW | Stanzilla: depends on the feature's target audience, we try to avoid being too technical in the general patch nodes |
| 22:57.18 | Stanzilla | makes sense |
| 22:57.34 | Stanzilla | oh an item to upgrade legendaries |
| 22:59.42 | tz | sigh, every patch, another day of crashes with "Failed to evict record. CacheSize = 2000, File: DBFilesClient\Item-sparse.db2" |
| 22:59.53 | Stanzilla | hahaha Ketho http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2016/september/macroFrame.jpg |
| 22:59.53 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 23:00.01 | Stanzilla | I bet TheDanW saw us talking about that! |
| 23:00.11 | Stanzilla | tz: disable CanIMogIt |
| 23:00.23 | tz | hmmm |
| 23:00.27 | pompy | tz: thats canimogit |
| 23:00.30 | pompy | damnit Stanzilla |
| 23:00.31 | pompy | :P |
| 23:00.41 | Freddie | so many icons |
| 23:00.52 | tz | cheers for that |
| 23:01.28 | tz | I gather it's also the cause of the WOW51900319 errors? |
| 23:01.40 | Stanzilla | dunno |
| 23:01.51 | tz | 'cause if it's not one it's the other |
| 23:02.04 | tz | disabling addons then logging in and re-enabling fixes...most of the time |
| 23:02.24 | tz | hopefully it was CanIMogIt causign the issue |
| 23:02.41 | tz | in other new |
| 23:02.42 | tz | s |
| 23:02.47 | tz | apparently the Illidari cannot be stopped |
| 23:03.17 | g0urra | tz: do you also use bagnon/bagbrother? |
| 23:03.24 | tz | nope |
| 23:03.35 | g0urra | huh |
| 23:03.57 | tz | ArkInventory, in my case |
| 23:04.11 | Stanzilla | bagnon only lags, not crashs :D |
| 23:09.43 | Ketho | custom icon packs still screw up the macro icon selector :( |
| 23:10.44 | Stanzilla | I think TheDanW said they had someone look at it though? |
| 23:12.04 | nevcairiel | TheDanW: is there any replacement for Frame:CreateTitleRegion or just dead? |
| 23:16.38 | Ssateneth | uhhhhhhhh |
| 23:16.39 | Ssateneth | huh |
| 23:16.47 | Ssateneth | When I used my dalaran teleport stone |
| 23:16.54 | Ssateneth | It said I was immune |
| 23:16.59 | Ssateneth | (I was in scholomance) |
| 23:17.14 | foxlit | well, now we just have to figure out what happens when Teleport: Dalaran crits you. |
| 23:17.42 | nevcairiel | it redirects to ancient dalaran and stuns you so you cant decelerate when falling |
| 23:18.49 | foxlit | One of the world quests in Highmountain transformed me into a murloc while I was ~many feet in the air on a glider. |
| 23:19.03 | foxlit | Regrettably, I did not find out if fake murlocs take fall damage. |
| 23:22.45 | Guill | nevcairiel: :SetMovable, :StartMoving, :StopMovingOrSizing. If you want a specifically movable area, you'll just have to do that manually. Should be pretty easy though. |
| 23:26.01 | nevcairiel | so, dead it is then |
| 23:26.15 | nebula | rip title regions and backdrops |
| 23:26.18 | nevcairiel | yeah its not hard to do that, was just wondering |
| 23:26.54 | TheDanW | backdrops are still a thing |
| 23:26.55 | TheDanW | for now |
| 23:27.19 | Funkeh` | Ive been nuking backdrops since guill declared war on them |
| 23:27.30 | Guill | Death to all backdrops :O |
| 23:30.12 | Guill | Also, you guys should check out ScrollingMessageFrame.xml/lua. Shows a couple different pieces of cool new tech Dan made |
| 23:30.34 | Funkeh` | will he bad sad if we don't |
| 23:31.19 | TheDanW | yes :( |
| 23:32.31 | nebula | does that mean SMF as a frame type is going away? |
| 23:32.45 | foxlit | well, it's lovely, but one should just assume that anything that touches it is tainted forever. |
| 23:32.59 | Guill | nebula: Sort of. You can still use it just like a frame type, but it's implemented in XML/Lua instead of in C++. |
| 23:33.05 | nebula | ah |
| 23:33.29 | nebula | well i meant CreateFrame("ScrollingMessageFrame") |
| 23:34.24 | Guill | foxlit: I would hope that people don't actually stomp on those functions in the same way I'd hope people wouldn't do getmetatable(UIParent).__index.Show = something |
| 23:34.55 | foxlit | Guill: just calling :AddMessage from an addon will taint the entire thing. |
| 23:35.32 | TheDanW | nebula: you can still use CreateFrame on instrinsics, so it works the same as before |
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| 23:36.09 | nebula | gotcha, i saw nothing was changed on FCF so assumed as much |
| 23:37.54 | nebula | new map blip stuff looks neat, so thanks for that |
| 23:40.49 | Ketho | is linking world quests in chat still broken? only have my level 102 char to test with |
| 23:41.21 | foxlit | (which is okay as long as the stored data isn't needed for anything protected, and nothing calls :AddMessage prior to trying to do something protected) |
| 23:41.53 | nebula | Ketho: how would you normally link one? shift-clicking points on the map just toggles tracking |
| 23:42.01 | nevcairiel | Ketho: you can copy chars over |
| 23:42.21 | Guill | foxlit: Yup, that's a good point. We're discussing it. |
| 23:44.34 | Ketho | nebula: from the quest objective tracker or something (but my main is still level 102) |
| 23:44.39 | Ketho | this link shows up as plain text for me /run SendChatMessage("\124cffffff00\124Hquest:44193:110\124h[DANGER: Sea King Tidross]\124h\124r") |
| 23:57.39 | Funkeh` | Guill, with all the map work you're doing will GetPlayerMapAreaID be expanded to work in dungeons with 7.1? |
