| 00:00.02 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.30 | znf | Gnarfoz, that aura is not working |
| 00:02.56 | znf | I have 3 in my bag |
| 00:03.00 | znf | nothing pops up |
| 00:03.19 | Gnarfoz | see above |
| 00:03.28 | Gnarfoz | remove the ret pala check |
| 00:03.39 | Gnarfoz | that's so I don't accidentally use them while I'm not ret |
| 00:04.44 | fewyn | i want to say thanks again Gnarfoz |
| 00:04.46 | znf | not working after the 1st one |
| 00:04.51 | fewyn | this is making life so much easier |
| 00:04.54 | znf | clicking button does nothing |
| 00:04.54 | fewyn | than hunting my bags |
| 00:05.12 | Gnarfoz | you break EVERYTHING man |
| 00:05.12 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 00:05.20 | Gnarfoz | it has been working fine for me since release |
| 00:07.04 | fewyn | it works fine here |
| 00:07.09 | fewyn | i changed the size tho |
| 00:11.52 | foxlit | grumble, UnitDebuff docs suck :/ |
| 00:12.44 | foxlit | I'm reasonably sure one of those filters covers "debuffs I can remove" but nobody will tell you which it is. |
| 00:18.34 | znf | Stanzilla, have you figured out all the prayer items? |
| 00:19.43 | Stanzilla | no idea what that is |
| 00:19.53 | znf | So far I've found "Do not lose insanity" (one holy, one shadow), fatal damage, healer (holy), tank (one holy and one shadow) |
| 00:19.55 | znf | the altar, praying |
| 00:19.58 | znf | priests |
| 00:20.11 | Stanzilla | yeah no idea |
| 00:20.42 | znf | You get to pray to the altar of shadow or light every day? |
| 00:20.44 | znf | in the order hall? |
| 00:20.50 | Stanzilla | never did that |
| 00:20.59 | znf | O.o |
| 00:21.13 | Stanzilla | what is it used for? |
| 00:21.33 | znf | each day, you get an item |
| 00:21.43 | znf | there's an item that grants a tank for 10 minutes |
| 00:21.51 | znf | one that grants a healer (heals up your party) |
| 00:21.53 | znf | both of them work in mythic |
| 00:21.57 | znf | there's one that prevents death |
| 00:22.09 | znf | one that supposedly makes you never lose insanity (for 10 minutes, anyway) |
| 00:22.46 | znf | one that spawns 2 tentacles and hit your target for ~600k |
| 00:24.07 | Semlar | what |
| 00:24.15 | znf | ? |
| 00:24.20 | Semlar | you get things? |
| 00:24.22 | znf | druids have a garden where they plant shit |
| 00:24.30 | Semlar | what do hunters get |
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| 00:24.48 | mckenziemc | hunted |
| 00:25.05 | znf | no idea |
| 00:25.08 | Semlar | shafted? |
| 00:25.16 | znf | didn't you research your order hall upgrades? |
| 00:25.38 | Stanzilla | probably took the other talent |
| 00:25.47 | Semlar | research? |
| 00:26.12 | mckenziemc | apparently hunters don't do research |
| 00:26.20 | Semlar | i just roll my face on the keyboard |
| 00:27.04 | foxlit | I think I used this as a quiz before: does [@target,nodead] imply [@target,exists]? |
| 00:28.31 | Semlar | yes |
| 00:29.08 | mckenziemc | don't think so |
| 00:29.09 | kd3 | I was always of the impression that since 2.0, any conditional that refers to a unit's state implies exists |
| 00:29.20 | foxlit | This is a negation of a conditional that refers to a unit's state. |
| 00:30.41 | znf | nevcairiel, what's the score required for full mana thingie? |
| 00:30.47 | znf | I'm sorry |
| 00:30.48 | znf | for full rep |
| 00:30.50 | znf | cap |
| 00:30.51 | znf | whatever |
| 00:31.53 | foxlit | for the next time I have to ask that question: no, it doesn't. |
| 00:31.59 | foxlit | grats mckenziemc :) |
| 00:34.07 | znf | I guess the only shit you can do is cast Power Word: Shield on your berserker |
| 00:34.44 | foxlit | nerf disc priests! |
| 00:34.52 | foxlit | honestly, they should've allowed you to heal those NPCs. |
| 00:35.26 | foxlit | Increase their total health by like 20x, slap a debuff that increases damage taken by 20x, job done. |
| 00:36.28 | znf | I'm Shadow |
| 00:36.39 | znf | nerf fucking tanks |
| 00:36.42 | znf | they can finish the fucking scenario |
| 00:36.56 | foxlit | so can you :) |
| 00:37.20 | foxlit | (or maybe "so can I, in a dps spec") |
| 00:39.41 | znf | meh |
| 00:39.50 | znf | I managed to kill Dro |
| 00:39.58 | znf | only lost 1 withered (my berserker!) :( |
| 00:40.45 | foxlit | is /cast 28272 syntax a thing? |
| 00:42.56 | foxlit | It's not. Hands 28272 over to CSBN which is stares at you. |
| 00:43.35 | znf | foxlit, I can't finish it |
| 00:43.37 | znf | my withered die |
| 00:44.04 | foxlit | where/how? |
| 00:44.42 | foxlit | Hm, shadow priest. No stuns, and no real interrupt? |
| 00:45.03 | znf | 40s on each |
| 00:45.23 | foxlit | so the arcane things get off their mutitions spell? |
| 00:45.30 | foxlit | *munitions |
| 00:46.26 | znf | only if I pull 2 by mistake |
| 00:46.37 | znf | or I don't have to run for retarded "running away" withered |
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| 00:54.33 | znf | Hmmm |
| 00:54.37 | znf | I have collected 1 medium chest |
| 00:54.53 | znf | I have 2 free medium chests |
| 00:55.06 | znf | and 1 free big chest |
| 00:56.26 | znf | and I'm still left with 3 withered |
| 00:56.28 | znf | mkay, let's do this |
| 01:09.53 | Ssateneth | hmm. TOM_RUS in here? Is there a replacement to DraenorTreasures? Current version seems bugged, it shows treasures you've already picked up. Debug shows the quest is completed yet it still shows treasure on map, unless theres an option i missed |
| 01:10.06 | znf | I think I could have done better :-( |
| 01:10.21 | znf | what the fuck |
| 01:10.24 | znf | a chest was empty |
| 01:12.56 | znf | oh, I got it in the mailbox, nevermind |
| 01:13.02 | Ssateneth | did the postmaster mail you the contents? |
| 01:13.02 | Ssateneth | ok |
| 01:14.02 | znf | weird, I had plenty of bag space |
| 01:14.24 | Ssateneth | idk maybe you canceled looting somehow |
| 01:15.49 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=203553/focused-growth << why are you not passive? whyyyyyyyyy. |
| 01:16.33 | znf | I got this in the chest: http://i.imgur.com/BwEWyBJ.png |
| 01:16.54 | foxlit | It's raining order hall resources! |
| 01:17.36 | znf | pretty much |
| 01:18.03 | Gnarfoz | I think I have most of them now http://i.imgur.com/UAErhnB.png |
| 01:19.11 | Semlar | does pvp gear not scale up in pvp combat any more |
| 01:19.42 | foxlit | right. The only PvP stat that matters is item level. |
| 01:20.05 | Semlar | why are the pvp item rewards from world quests inherently lower level than the pve items |
| 01:20.21 | Gnarfoz | they are? |
| 01:20.41 | Semlar | yes, every pvp item i have on the world map is 805, the rest of the gear is 825 |
| 01:21.01 | Gnarfoz | http://i.imgur.com/185YwGj.png |
| 01:21.02 | Semlar | i guess it could be a coincidence |
| 01:21.10 | Gnarfoz | not all of them are teh awesome |
| 01:21.36 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I didn't get the focus fire upgrade :| but I think I grabbed all medium chests? >_> |
| 01:22.06 | Gnarfoz | or maybe they fixed the spell lenses and I need them and I'm still missing some |
| 01:22.15 | foxlit | punisment for saying "got them all" |
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| 01:26.06 | Gnarfoz | I didn't |
| 01:26.39 | Gnarfoz | hey they were smart enough to make the scenario end when you try and run out of it |
| 01:27.18 | foxlit | I used the teleporter, and got the "crap, you lost all your withered, let's end this" ending |
| 01:34.26 | Gnarfoz | there are different endings? |
| 01:35.06 | Gnarfoz | (I meant the entire thing, after the rewards... I was going to Val'sharah and it kicked me out ^^) |
| 01:36.10 | foxlit | I kind of expect there to be a positive message as you teleport to the chests if you "win" |
| 01:40.59 | kd3 | considering you still get ported out and stunned in whack-a-gnoll even after turning in the quest, meh |
| 01:46.09 | Ssateneth | urrrrrgh this is pissing me off |
| 01:46.13 | Ssateneth | how do i get this treasure http://www.wowhead.com/object=251124/glimmering-treasure-chest#comments |
| 01:46.21 | Ssateneth | i have no clue where the cave entrance is |
| 01:46.53 | Ssateneth | im lost in a cave that say "the pit" |
| 01:46.56 | Ssateneth | i had to hearth -_- |
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| 02:07.22 | foxlit | Suaramar progression still baffles me. |
| 02:07.55 | foxlit | Think I've had no significant quests since hitting Honored |
| 02:09.47 | foxlit | Apparently I need like 5k more rep for anything to happen. That's what, a few weeks? |
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| 02:26.50 | mfgmfg | foxlit, are you doing the army training and getting good scores? that's 425 if you max it out each time |
| 02:31.23 | Corrodias | i would have expected the word highmountain to be a link to that area's page |
| 02:38.03 | foxlit | mfgmfg: thats like twice a week? -> 5 weeks |
| 02:48.58 | znf | Psyfiend!!! http://i.imgur.com/7fy9uMF.png |
| 02:58.52 | Ssateneth | so what you're saying |
| 02:58.57 | Ssateneth | is you are having massive fun |
| 02:59.09 | Ssateneth | all that and only 4 kb |
| 02:59.11 | Ssateneth | "{ |
| 02:59.12 | Ssateneth | :P |
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| 03:27.41 | znf | nice, blizzard |
| 03:27.45 | znf | tailoring quest is bugged |
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| 03:38.03 | Trela | Just sew a zig zag stitch with a 0.5mm width over the broken portion of the quest to fix it. |
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| 03:51.05 | Ketho | Funkeh` is there a BadBoy API or something for other chat addons? I don't like to see spam rolling over my screen with ScrollingChatText |
| 04:01.27 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/CE3irIM.jpg totally doing it wrong |
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| 04:30.11 | znf | uhm http://i.imgur.com/wnWvTvS.jpg |
| 04:36.54 | Corrodias | i haven't played in so long, i don't know what i should be seeing there |
| 04:38.44 | Sharparam | i think the mob is below the ground? |
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| 04:48.40 | kd3 | 48 hours until I fly to japan... |
| 04:48.52 | kd3 | I should probably start packing or something |
| 04:50.54 | znf | reddit killed my webserver :( |
| 04:52.15 | kd3 | it get slashdotted? |
| 05:04.33 | znf | I linked that odyn video |
| 05:04.40 | znf | I wasn't expecting it to reach frontpage |
| 05:04.52 | znf | and now it's pushing ~250-300Mbit/sec |
| 05:13.47 | mckenziemc | webserves you right? |
| 05:33.45 | nebula | god buying ts mats off the ah is such aids, wtb interface where you just enter how many you want and hit go |
| 05:34.54 | znf | blame it on the fucktards who post a billion stacks of 1 |
| 05:41.06 | Ketho | maybe if they would implement buy and sell orders like the steam market ;) |
| 05:43.37 | nebula | indeed |
| 05:43.48 | kd3 | https://twitter.com/robinsloan/status/771452189034196992 |
| 05:46.00 | Corrodias | one of those is only like $125,000, I'm told. |
| 06:05.29 | kd3 | Seriously, Nomi? 15 badly burnt food, 2 recipes, and dupes of those same 2 recipes? |
| 06:09.32 | nebula | you weren't a very good teacher, apparently |
| 06:10.02 | Mr_Rabies | i was hoping for an interesting interaction with nomi's bell in dalaran |
| 06:10.15 | Mr_Rabies | but instead just a time paradox |
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| 07:31.28 | karl_w_w | some people are just sick, VIad http://www.dotabuff.com/players/53764543 |
| 07:31.58 | VIad | after all those games, still 52% winrate :p |
| 07:32.12 | VIad | looks like he just plays all thetime |
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| 08:37.57 | Semlar | huh, i just fell through the bridge to thunder totem |
| 08:38.29 | nevcairiel | arent you a male panda |
| 08:38.35 | nevcairiel | you cant expect bridges to hold that up |
| 08:38.44 | Semlar | must have slipped through the gap |
| 08:54.57 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: did you have the thing that lets you see hidden chests before |
| 08:57.25 | nevcairiel | unfortunately i dont have a map at hand for the medium chests, only the big ones |
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| 09:19.54 | Simca_ | lol |
| 09:20.10 | Simca_ | there is a grey item, badly burnt food |
| 09:20.14 | Simca_ | that requires level 101 |
| 09:20.38 | Simca_ | it does nothing and is unequipable but has a level requirement. pretty silly. |
| 09:21.22 | VIad | karazhan has a vendor selling enchant on a ring, but the enchant is gray and has no use effect |
| 09:21.27 | VIad | but the text is otherwise intact |
| 09:22.03 | nevcairiel | there is a bunch of vendors selling legacy items that were destroyed but not removed from their original vendors |
| 09:23.09 | VIad | the withered scenario btw is 90% maxable with one run |
| 09:23.21 | VIad | you just need to start with 2000 mana worth of guys and be a tank |
| 09:23.35 | VIad | and just play smart and clear everything, then loot the largest chest working your way backwards |
| 09:23.42 | nevcairiel | 55 withered is the max, that only gives you like 60% of all chests, not 90% :p |
| 09:23.43 | VIad | you'll be unable to loot 2 giant chests, but thats not that bad |
| 09:24.03 | VIad | still I consider that a win :p |
| 09:24.09 | VIad | all chests except 2 |
| 09:24.25 | VIad | I guess the giant chests dont respawn once upgrade is aquired? |
| 09:24.29 | nevcairiel | and you cant get to a bunch of those requiring special things to unlock, like the first door with 2 zerkers |
| 09:24.47 | VIad | I haven't yet been in that section |
| 09:24.50 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel:Â no, I don't think I have that one, yet. I also wasted some withered at the spiderling gauntlet >_> http://www.wowhead.com/guides/suramar#withered-army-training has maps for both types, but might of course be incomplete |
| 09:25.08 | nevcairiel | but the medium map has no names |
| 09:25.37 | nevcairiel | did you kill elfbane or did you pass him by? |
| 09:25.52 | nevcairiel | elfbreaker* |
| 09:26.08 | Gnarfoz | the medium stuff is random, that's probably why it has no names |
| 09:26.16 | Gnarfoz | at least it seemed random ^^ |
| 09:26.19 | nevcairiel | i only tried to kill him once and it didnt go so weel |
| 09:26.20 | VIad | I used those maps for the huge chests |
| 09:26.22 | nevcairiel | well |
| 09:26.32 | Gnarfoz | I killed him, but I should have pulled him into the tunnel before his own room |
| 09:26.45 | VIad | I usually sneak past and kill spider first, so spiderlings stop coming |
| 09:26.46 | Gnarfoz | because his own room is already part of the spiderling gauntlet |
| 09:26.57 | VIad | or my guys are distracted :p |
| 09:26.59 | Gnarfoz | yeah, spiderlings are terrible |
| 09:27.05 | nevcairiel | thats why you should pull him back |
| 09:27.11 | Gnarfoz | they ate all my low hp guys |
| 09:27.15 | VIad | can pull him back too yes around the corner |
| 09:27.25 | VIad | dont think mobs evade that easily in this scenario |
| 09:27.33 | nevcairiel | what kind of stun cooldown do you have on your paladin? |
| 09:27.41 | VIad | hammer of justice |
| 09:27.44 | VIad | 1 min |
| 09:27.48 | VIad | ashbringer? |
| 09:27.53 | VIad | think it has a stun too |
| 09:28.14 | Gnarfoz | I do that as protection |
| 09:28.17 | nevcairiel | elfbreaker without a lot of stuns does so much aoe in his big attack thing |
| 09:28.35 | VIad | I felt he got zerged so fast my guys didnt die |
| 09:28.48 | VIad | he did like 3 stomps max, and ate one guy |
| 09:28.59 | Gnarfoz | I stunned him when he tried eating a guy, that's about it |
| 09:29.04 | Gnarfoz | only got the one stun |
| 09:29.05 | VIad | yeah |
| 09:29.23 | nevcairiel | cant you use the other thing as well |
| 09:29.25 | nevcairiel | whats it called |
| 09:29.44 | Gnarfoz | I've got the talent that makes judgement reduce the stun CD by 10s, though |
| 09:29.47 | nevcairiel | blinding light? |
| 09:29.58 | Gnarfoz | that's in the same talent row |
| 09:30.00 | nevcairiel | ah its the same tier |
| 09:30.10 | Gnarfoz | clever Blizz |
| 09:30.10 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 09:30.29 | nevcairiel | i can use my incap roar as a second pseudo-interrupt |
| 09:30.30 | VIad | can healers heal the guys? |
| 09:30.34 | nevcairiel | no |
| 09:30.37 | VIad | >_> |
| 09:30.39 | VIad | why not? |
| 09:30.50 | nevcairiel | because that would be OP |
| 09:30.54 | VIad | tanks can tank |
| 09:31.05 | VIad | dps can usually burst quick/stuns |
| 09:31.14 | VIad | healers just autoattack :d |
| 09:31.47 | VIad | not like it is a hard scenario to do after all. hardest part is learning the layout of the ruins in suramar :p |
| 09:31.53 | Gnarfoz | well, Judgment has 12s CD, so the talent basically makes my stun have a 30s CD |
| 09:32.03 | nevcairiel | getting max rep is the most important part right now anyway, and thats easy |
| 09:32.09 | Gnarfoz | and Ashbringer only stuns undead and demons |
| 09:32.25 | VIad | thats unfortunate |
| 09:33.17 | nevcairiel | in rep-related news, today is nightfallen emissary |
| 09:33.22 | Gnarfoz | yay! |
| 09:33.24 | VIad | yay |
| 09:33.28 | VIad | fox mount |
| 09:33.32 | Gnarfoz | you wish |
| 09:33.36 | VIad | I'll get it |
| 09:33.40 | VIad | you just watch me |
| 09:33.52 | Gnarfoz | I'd rather not |
| 09:33.56 | Gnarfoz | also, where's that Legion app at |
| 09:33.57 | VIad | I bribed TheDanW to hardcode my character name and realm in the drop chance |
| 09:34.15 | nevcairiel | probably something like noon blizzard time Gnarfoz, you know how it goes |
| 09:34.23 | nevcairiel | VIad: so did we, to 0 |
| 09:34.27 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel:Â of course |
| 09:34.35 | VIad | it's only past midnight atm, might come out later |
| 09:35.08 | nevcairiel | its 2:30, not sure i would call that "only past midnight" =p |
| 09:35.30 | Gnarfoz | they should have a +6h DST for just today |
| 09:36.57 | VIad | I still think when it comes to the internet and time, people should use the <time> tag and specify the unix time in the attribute so the browser can easily show local time to those browsing :/ |
| 09:37.04 | VIad | I have no clue why this is not a standard yet |
| 09:37.46 | Gnarfoz | my local time or theirs? |
| 09:38.03 | Gnarfoz | in this case, theirs would be more helpful, in other cases, mine :D |
| 09:38.13 | VIad | hover over it to show your local time :p |
| 09:38.24 | VIad | it could be that simple |
| 09:41.00 | VIad | anyway I am past my 12 hour missions, and have to kill like 6 more dungeon bosses |
| 09:44.17 | VIad | I wish items we learn show "you already know this" |
| 09:44.27 | VIad | like the xmog enchant tomes |
| 09:44.29 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/WnnCVtM.gifv |
| 09:44.35 | VIad | or stuff like the withered army training items |
| 09:45.06 | VIad | karl_w_w: fun joke :p |
| 09:46.34 | VIad | nevcairiel: is it a bug or? the "spellseer" unlock item |
| 09:46.42 | VIad | you need it to see a hidden chest, right? |
| 09:47.04 | VIad | wowhead says it is bugged and you dont need it |
| 09:47.51 | VIad | I am unsure because I used my DH vision a lot to easily spot small chests and it also made the large one appear for me |
| 09:47.59 | VIad | but it might still be bugged for all characters and just visible |
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| 09:51.16 | Funkeh` | Ketho, I never really considered it |
| 09:51.48 | Funkeh` | you could always run the chatfilters on your messages I guess? |
| 09:55.21 | Ketho | Funkeh` I would if the BadBoy filters were accessible, but no idea if that would even work or give errors |
| 09:55.45 | Ketho | ow you mean set up my own filters? :s |
| 09:56.24 | VIad | hmm. someone told me they had some badboy issues with it complaining about something, is that the issue? |
| 09:57.41 | Funkeh` | "someone complained about something, is that the issue?" |
| 09:57.44 | Funkeh` | uhm, sure! |
| 09:58.08 | Funkeh` | Ketho, I meant call wow's filters in your message, that way any other adons would also modify it |
| 09:59.15 | VIad | :p |
| 10:01.10 | Ketho | Funkeh` wow's filter? I don't understand |
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| 10:03.32 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel:Â do you usually kill Lapillia (first elite behind the 10 withered req. door right at the start) when you go in? or later? |
| 10:03.41 | nevcairiel | i try not to |
| 10:03.50 | nevcairiel | i usually kill the trash around her for points |
| 10:04.09 | nevcairiel | might get her next time to get the chest, tho |
| 10:04.10 | VIad | there is no incentive to kill bosses unless you need to :p |
| 10:04.21 | VIad | chests/save withered |
| 10:04.24 | Gnarfoz | true, but she's in the way, of course ;P |
| 10:07.03 | Funkeh` | Ketho, you can call the chat filters yourself |
| 10:08.29 | Ketho | but I'd rather use badboy's filters instead of writing/calling my own |
| 10:08.36 | VIad | nevcairiel: if you stealth does it affect the guys? |
| 10:09.02 | nevcairiel | of course not |
| 10:09.51 | VIad | it does change pet behavior so was wondering |
| 10:10.32 | Funkeh` | writing your own? You get the list of chat filters via ChatFrame_GetMessageEventFilters(event) then pass the message through with the appropriate args https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/ChatFrame.lua#2868 |
| 10:12.37 | Ketho | oh didn't know that was possible ._. |
| 10:13.21 | Funkeh` | the more you know |
| 10:18.51 | Funkeh` | I would probably just pass ChatFrame1 through as the frame |
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| 11:32.03 | Seeker` | Anyone know if the legion app is worldwide launch today? Or is the EU going to have to wait until after our downtime? |
| 11:35.52 | VIad | tbh I didn't even know about it until yesterday :p |
| 11:36.00 | VIad | and I even watched blizzcon >_> |
| 11:36.47 | nevcairiel | they only announced it on the weekend |
| 11:38.34 | VIad | looked like mmochamp had a recap of legion presentation |
| 11:38.41 | VIad | because the companion app had a slide or two |
| 11:48.48 | Gnarfoz | surprise, WoW news site #1 has news recap for news |
| 11:48.49 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 11:53.45 | VIad | it was a year ago, and I did miss it, like nevcairiel |
| 11:53.48 | VIad | so why not? :p |
| 12:03.26 | Simca_ | no, nevcairiel is right, it was not from blizzcon |
| 12:03.52 | Simca_ | afaik |
| 12:04.11 | nevcairiel | as far as i can tell, it was only announced on pax west right this weekend |
| 12:05.05 | Gnarfoz | the only thing before this seems to be the datamined icons from May |
| 12:05.11 | Simca_ | yeah |
| 12:05.13 | Gnarfoz | btu I'm sure VIad can elaborate on what he said? :P |
| 12:05.26 | Simca_ | i think he saw slides on mmoc and thought 'blizzcon has slides, this is from that' |
| 12:05.36 | Gnarfoz | BlizzCon has many slides! :D |
| 12:05.52 | Simca_ | but pax west also had a small presentation i think |
| 12:06.58 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 12:09.51 | Semlar | apparently the item level of pvp rewards from world quests is based on your honor level |
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| 12:17.51 | Simca_ | yep |
| 12:18.21 | Simca_ | seems like, at least at low levels, they are a good way to get honor. |
| 12:18.31 | Simca_ | low prestige rank* |
| 12:18.49 | Simca_ | every pvp world quest has netted me at least 1 full rank, sometimes 2 |
| 12:19.12 | znf | it's 500 honor afaik |
| 12:19.20 | Simca_ | yeah |
| 12:19.32 | znf | I just got a warforged 845 neck |
| 12:24.55 | Gnarfoz | I grabbed 2 840 pvp items, the collection of gear with various stat combinations at the same ilvl keeps growing |
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| 12:27.46 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYgnIn5lbG4 |
| 12:31.31 | znf | I keep getting versatility |
| 12:31.33 | znf | no haste, no game |
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| 12:45.49 | VIad | Gnarfoz: sorry I didn't realize. I wasnt aware of legion at pax so :p |
| 12:46.39 | foxlit | It's weird how higher-level relics tend to have crappier traits |
| 12:49.25 | VIad | when will world quests stop giving better gear? |
| 12:49.43 | VIad | is the cap like 840 base ilvl? |
| 12:52.22 | VIad | nevcairiel: is the army training once every 3 days? |
| 12:52.47 | nevcairiel | appears to be the case so far, yes |
| 12:53.24 | VIad | ugh |
| 12:53.27 | nevcairiel | should be back on thursday |
| 12:53.33 | VIad | yesterday I didn't even see the world quest on my map |
| 12:53.42 | VIad | and I've spotted several world quests randomly by walking over their areas |
| 12:53.48 | VIad | I don't like missing out on such info |
| 12:54.19 | VIad | it would be lame if I miss out on some good WQ because the game map didnt tell me about it |
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| 12:55.30 | Seeker` | VIad: I've noticed some missing |
| 12:55.59 | VIad | next time I'll try get the quest ID and see if they are queryable |
| 12:56.12 | VIad | if you finish one, it should be flagged as complete, until it is available again |
| 12:56.25 | VIad | its how the legion invasions worked at least |
| 12:56.36 | VIad | just unsure if I have to be in the zone for it to become flagged incomplete :p |
| 12:56.45 | VIad | if not then you could map the IDs and go from there |
| 12:59.01 | nevcairiel | its always the same ones that happens to be hidden sometimes, maybe blizzard can just fix that for us =p |
| 13:00.20 | Lopeppeppy | Bwa-ha-ha! A new crop of freshmen to terrorize! |
| 13:01.21 | VIad | I agree, but in the meanwhile I don't want to miss out :p |
| 13:01.26 | VIad | like training one >_> |
| 13:01.47 | nevcairiel | that one is easy, it pops up when you go to the base in suramar, should be there daily anyway =p |
| 13:02.12 | VIad | I often experience lack of quests |
| 13:02.32 | VIad | like atm I have to just farm WQ for rep to unlock next story part |
| 13:02.41 | znf | Stanzilla, I'm conflicted where to go next with my artifact path |
| 13:02.51 | VIad | when I get home I usually do all the WQ and its not always suramar, so I am not often there anymore :p |
| 13:03.47 | foxlit | mythic sanctify deals group-wide damage. That's... hash. |
| 13:03.51 | foxlit | s/sh/rsh/ |
| 13:05.14 | nevcairiel | makes it ever so much more interesting |
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| 13:05.38 | znf | Hmm. Mr Robot is siming the Satyr neck enchant as best for shadow |
| 13:05.38 | znf | wtf |
| 13:07.58 | Stanzilla | znf: cool |
| 13:08.07 | Stanzilla | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y8gDhHda9skR4AWnNBUxpIui6SyAkYd_Bi7jxrG-xzQ/edit |
| 13:08.24 | znf | Takes ~1.5 - 2 weeks to unlock the 3rd relic slot |
| 13:08.26 | znf | funneh |
| 13:08.41 | nevcairiel | mine was done like friday |
| 13:09.00 | foxlit | nevcairiel: but I'm innocent! It's all the melee's fault! |
| 13:11.36 | VIad | "legendarys" |
| 13:11.51 | VIad | I don't know why there is a fad going around where people write "ys" insteado f "ies" :/ |
| 13:12.11 | VIad | even blizzard had a "dailys" in their achievement list |
| 13:14.25 | znf | nevcairiel, I was done yesterday |
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| 13:15.09 | nevcairiel | most of the active players on my guild seem to have gotten it yesterday |
| 13:15.42 | nevcairiel | but for some reason the druid thing wenbt much quicker |
| 13:16.01 | Gnarfoz | mission stacking \o/ |
| 13:16.22 | nevcairiel | yeah i could send two at once, not sure if fluke or intended |
| 13:16.32 | Seeker` | I got my 3rd relic slot about an hour ago |
| 13:16.48 | foxlit | 2/5 people in this mythic group have a filled third relic slot |
| 13:17.02 | Seeker` | Priest in my guild got it yesterday, apparently he could stack the follower missions. I couldn't as a Rogue |
| 13:17.26 | nevcairiel | yesterday the loot gods were finally good to me and i got two mythic relics in one dungeon |
| 13:17.29 | nevcairiel | so its 872 now |
| 13:17.48 | foxlit | "Extends duration of Moonfire, Rejuv and Sunfire by 1 sec" |
| 13:17.51 | Seeker` | my ancient is 868. I think I've got an 845, 835 and 830 now |
| 13:18.11 | foxlit | vs "increases all healing over time by 3%" |
| 13:19.35 | Seeker` | It'll be interesting to see what AMR says about gear upgrades when they release their new tool |
| 13:20.11 | nevcairiel | in loot related topics, almost 3000 aethril collected and still didnt get the quest for rank3 |
| 13:22.22 | VIad | I didn't get any stacked missions, nor much speed boost from champions except the last two :/ |
| 13:24.53 | VIad | I am only 835 something ilvl :( |
| 13:25.05 | nevcairiel | 847 |
| 13:25.34 | nevcairiel | still wearing the heirloom tank trinket thats dragging me down |
| 13:25.49 | nevcairiel | i refused to change to a flat stat trinket |
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| 13:28.19 | VIad | been lucky on drops |
| 13:28.27 | VIad | I am still worried 835 is too low for mythics |
| 13:28.49 | nevcairiel | it drops 840, how much higher do you want to be? =p |
| 13:29.20 | VIad | hmm |
| 13:29.28 | VIad | I guess I should start now then :p |
| 13:29.49 | nevcairiel | i still lack one mythic this week, going to do that tonight |
| 13:29.50 | VIad | get them sweet titanforged gear |
| 13:29.51 | nevcairiel | did all the others |
| 13:29.58 | VIad | ah right resets, crap |
| 13:30.01 | VIad | I only got today >_> |
| 13:30.03 | nevcairiel | mythics dont drop titanforged right now |
| 13:30.12 | nevcairiel | because they can't |
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| 13:30.20 | VIad | what mythics are quickest to do? |
| 13:30.25 | VIad | that I should prioritize :p |
| 13:30.33 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 13:30.56 | nevcairiel | darkheart is pretty easy, but has a medium-sized trash population |
| 13:31.09 | nevcairiel | wardens is on the long-side |
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| 13:31.53 | VIad | violet is close |
| 13:32.35 | nevcairiel | they really should've canned violet hold, its such a stain on the otherwise glorious dungeons |
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| 13:34.38 | foxlit | but it's awesome! |
| 13:35.01 | Seeker` | they need to halve the trash |
| 13:35.10 | Seeker` | VIad: neltharion's lair isn't too long |
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| 13:35.14 | foxlit | eye, on the other hand, is made of hate and dead owlkittens |
| 13:35.36 | nevcairiel | i like EoA |
| 13:35.42 | Seeker` | maw is pretty quick too |
| 13:36.00 | Seeker` | as long as your healer can move out of stuff and doesn't die as soon as you enter the 2nd phase on the last boss, over and over |
| 13:36.03 | nevcairiel | Odyn is probably one of the hardest end bosses in mythics, so if you go random that might take longer =p |
| 13:37.18 | VIad | can I queue mythics? :/ |
| 13:37.26 | VIad | don't you have to find a group like wod? |
| 13:37.27 | nevcairiel | no |
| 13:37.30 | nevcairiel | you do, yes |
| 13:37.40 | VIad | then I don't see how I can get a random one :p |
| 13:37.55 | nevcairiel | you can find a rnadom group through the finder of questionable skill |
| 13:37.55 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 13:37.58 | nevcairiel | random* |
| 13:37.59 | VIad | :d |
| 13:38.12 | VIad | I should go update my proving grounds to gold |
| 13:38.19 | VIad | for this expansion |
| 13:38.37 | nevcairiel | oddly enough the finder still shows that, but its not really doing anything |
| 13:38.49 | VIad | <_> |
| 13:38.57 | VIad | if it says bronze tank |
| 13:39.08 | VIad | then it's a sign he is lazy not to even do the proving grounds :p |
| 13:39.09 | VIad | or bad |
| 13:39.21 | Seeker` | random group finder is still like rolling a dice, and if it doesn't come up with a 6 you beat yourself around the head with a metal pipe for an hour |
| 13:39.39 | VIad | but you dont have random group finder >_> |
| 13:39.49 | VIad | you pick a group that is going to place X and join if they let you |
| 13:39.56 | nevcairiel | its random enough |
| 13:40.00 | Seeker` | VIad: The people you end up with are essentially random |
| 13:40.09 | nevcairiel | if you want consistent quality you need a guild or other circles of friends |
| 13:40.18 | VIad | yeah |
| 13:40.32 | VIad | yeah sadly that will probably not happen lol |
| 13:40.40 | VIad | I will struggle the RNG of people as always |
| 13:40.46 | Seeker` | why no guild? |
| 13:41.13 | VIad | hmm |
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| 13:41.26 | VIad | there is one I could join, seems decent. just for the dungeons. |
| 13:44.50 | znf | Lagterac Valley |
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| 13:52.13 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/w9mNmnJ.png |
| 13:52.19 | znf | how the fuck am I supposed to have 810 already? |
| 13:52.33 | foxlit | you aren't. |
| 13:52.37 | foxlit | just ignore it. |
| 13:52.44 | nevcairiel | i had one on day 1 |
| 13:52.48 | nevcairiel | not even 110 followers |
| 13:53.19 | znf | foxlit, ignore what? |
| 13:53.27 | znf | some classes have done it already |
| 13:53.34 | foxlit | ignore the mission |
| 13:53.47 | Ressy | o.O |
| 13:53.49 | nevcairiel | incidentally there seems to be a bug that ignores the ivll requirement if you send low level followers on it |
| 13:53.58 | nevcairiel | not sure if just display or what |
| 13:54.27 | nevcairiel | so 109s can actually get a decent success change |
| 13:54.29 | nevcairiel | chance* |
| 13:54.32 | nevcairiel | while 110s get zero |
| 13:54.33 | znf | but I'm missing out on mythic loot!!!! |
| 13:55.08 | znf | doesn't seem so, nevcairiel: http://i.imgur.com/DDgNxxM.png |
| 13:55.37 | nevcairiel | 105 is too low |
| 13:55.43 | nevcairiel | needs to be orange at least |
| 13:55.48 | haste | znf: I agree |
| 13:55.49 | znf | bah |
| 13:57.04 | Gnarfoz | what does -15% success chance result in? will it fail extra hard? will it take gear away from me? :D |
| 13:57.25 | nevcairiel | it'll de-level you and kill your followers |
| 13:58.36 | znf | you can actually get 60% :D |
| 13:59.04 | nevcairiel | i have one as well, wonder how many ilvl tokens i already have |
| 13:59.25 | nevcairiel | might be able to get one key guy high enough |
| 13:59.43 | znf | I don't have any tokens |
| 13:59.49 | Gnarfoz | had I saved some of the ilvl tokens, I might have been able to push the relevant champions for this |
| 13:59.51 | znf | I picked the wrong damn order hall research |
| 14:00.05 | nevcairiel | the research thats providing tokens is not done yet |
| 14:00.05 | znf | in beta you had shitloads of those tokens handed to you |
| 14:00.11 | Gnarfoz | my tokens are not from missions, because that's not done |
| 14:00.14 | znf | now I got literally 2 |
| 14:00.16 | nevcairiel | but it will be in 16 minutes! |
| 14:00.32 | Gnarfoz | or it might be done, I should have checked... now I have to start TeamViewer again |
| 14:00.35 | nevcairiel | i have one that yields tokens randomly from missions |
| 14:00.37 | Simca_ | znf: you need a 110 follower first |
| 14:00.44 | Simca_ | then you start getting a lot of token missions |
| 14:00.46 | nevcairiel | thats going to be finished in 15 minutes |
| 14:00.53 | znf | Simca_, I had 2. |
| 14:00.58 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: the app will save you! |
| 14:01.18 | znf | you can see I have 5 x 110 followers |
| 14:01.34 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel:Â release date planned to coincide with new-wowace |
| 14:01.55 | znf | hmmm |
| 14:01.56 | nevcairiel | new-wowace is coming out today?!!? |
| 14:01.57 | znf | I have an idea |
| 14:02.10 | znf | One of my followers has a "get 5% for each vitality" |
| 14:02.20 | znf | I could push it to 75% |
| 14:02.26 | znf | if I get this follower to green quality |
| 14:02.32 | Gnarfoz | apparently, znf needs MasterPlan 0.200 for this |
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| 14:03.12 | znf | not sure how you guys are getting tokens :-/ |
| 14:03.19 | Gnarfoz | we said we had barely any |
| 14:03.25 | nevcairiel | i had missions that flat out gave me a few |
| 14:03.27 | znf | You said you have 1! |
| 14:03.32 | znf | erm |
| 14:03.34 | nevcairiel | i have like 5 ilvl tokens |
| 14:03.36 | Simca_ | i have 2 active missions that give them |
| 14:03.37 | znf | You said you have enough to push one follower |
| 14:03.40 | znf | I had 2 so far |
| 14:03.54 | znf | mine is like: http://i.imgur.com/UQ7eOwY.png |
| 14:04.02 | Gnarfoz | I said if I had saved the handful or so I had, I might have been able to focus on one that would be good for this mission |
| 14:04.12 | Gnarfoz | also, which upgrade to pick next? hm |
| 14:04.24 | nevcairiel | the next one is hard to pick, both are meh |
| 14:04.47 | nevcairiel | buff the one troop type all the time by 5%, or buff the other kind by 15% but only on certain missions? |
| 14:05.05 | Simca_ | they vary by class |
| 14:05.42 | Gnarfoz | that's also what mine does |
| 14:05.58 | Gnarfoz | or rather: very similar |
| 14:06.21 | Gnarfoz | +5% on the small ones, or +15% on the big ones if they're accompanied by the small ones in the same mission |
| 14:06.39 | Gnarfoz | I guess that would make 1 champion 1 big 1 small troops viable |
| 14:07.06 | Thunder_Child | Except when you need multiple counters. |
| 14:07.07 | nevcairiel | for me its +5 for small, or +15 on big ones with minion counters |
| 14:07.20 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child:Â some champions counter 2 on their own. |
| 14:07.44 | Thunder_Child | Yes, but not always the ones you need. And there are 3's as well. |
| 14:07.47 | Gnarfoz | (and have buffs of their own when accompanied by troops, so it synergyzes even more) |
| 14:07.56 | Gnarfoz | 3s what? champions that counter 3? |
| 14:08.05 | Thunder_Child | No, missions that have 3 to counter. |
| 14:08.09 | Gnarfoz | obviously. |
| 14:08.14 | Gnarfoz | there's only 1 and 3? |
| 14:08.17 | Gnarfoz | I've not seen 2. |
| 14:08.20 | Gnarfoz | and "not the ones you need" is why there's multiple champions :P |
| 14:08.38 | Thunder_Child | But then you could not do Champ + small + large. |
| 14:08.53 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 14:08.56 | Gnarfoz | yes I could? |
| 14:08.58 | nevcairiel | you could just ignore the counter, some are rather pointless |
| 14:09.06 | nevcairiel | like, double cost |
| 14:09.08 | nevcairiel | screw that |
| 14:09.09 | Gnarfoz | increased mission cost for example is bleh |
| 14:09.10 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 14:10.17 | Thunder_Child | Yes, there does seem to be an abundance of resources. |
| 14:10.34 | Gnarfoz | I'm going to go for the "maximum synergy" option |
| 14:10.47 | nevcairiel | just wait until your combat ally gets the item to yield extra OR on every world quest |
| 14:14.16 | Gnarfoz | I've had the green one for that sitting in my bags since day 1, only got one follower to rare today to use it |
| 14:14.44 | nevcairiel | having them as combat ally levels them rather quickly |
| 14:14.47 | nevcairiel | but i dont have an item yet |
| 14:14.47 | Gnarfoz | (but it's liadrin, who has a dumb on use thing. I might have not been awake enough to make that decision :D) |
| 14:15.08 | foxlit | I'm willing to lend you Broll. |
| 14:15.09 | Gnarfoz | hoping to get a blue or better version of it for Lothraxion, who just melts faces |
| 14:15.27 | Gnarfoz | I have yet to try Arator, who should be Pala-Broll |
| 14:15.29 | nevcairiel | i'm still undecided which combat ally to use |
| 14:15.33 | nevcairiel | broll is just annoying, i hate permanent guys |
| 14:15.50 | foxlit | you're a bear, though. |
| 14:16.05 | nevcairiel | this is true |
| 14:16.16 | nevcairiel | i was using mylune for a while, but the faerie dragons and her voice drive me insane |
| 14:16.19 | foxlit | so is broll. Having two bears makes things awkward. |
| 14:16.29 | Gnarfoz | skinning a bear should aggro every bears? |
| 14:16.40 | nevcairiel | so i'm with naralex now |
| 14:16.44 | nevcairiel | the button is pretty ok |
| 14:17.01 | foxlit | (it's weird that they stripped bear form model from the outdoor broll, by the one in the nightmare war of the ancients scenario still shapeshifts) |
| 14:17.07 | foxlit | s/by/but/ |
| 14:17.15 | nevcairiel | might try remulos some time |
| 14:17.32 | Gnarfoz | only 9 out of 12 classes get an upgrade that gives a bonus roll token for OR? |
| 14:17.49 | nevcairiel | no idea |
| 14:17.54 | nevcairiel | i do, but i dont think i'll use it |
| 14:18.03 | Gnarfoz | on the other hand, 5 get one that does the "OR for completing WQs with follower" as an upgrade |
| 14:18.53 | Gnarfoz | I get bonus roll thing or "complete WQ instantly once every 3 days" |
| 14:19.00 | Gnarfoz | both sound rather underwhelming |
| 14:19.13 | nevcairiel | ther alternative for me is one super-troop |
| 14:19.38 | nevcairiel | i think i'll try that one |
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| 14:27.51 | nevcairiel | managed 97% on the dungeon mission |
| 14:27.56 | nevcairiel | with one guy and two big-troops |
| 14:28.45 | nevcairiel | big guy was 795 |
| 14:29.04 | Gnarfoz | you are the 3% |
| 14:29.45 | nevcairiel | i fear as much |
| 14:29.45 | nevcairiel | :D |
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| 14:50.52 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/OmQBXQD.png + http://i.imgur.com/L5wSINs.png |
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| 14:53.03 | znf | did I fail at calculating that or wtf |
| 14:53.31 | znf | local i = 0; local _, _, _, _, c, r = C_ArtifactUI.GetEquippedArtifactInfo(); while i <= r do c = c + C_ArtifactUI.GetCostForPointAtRank(i); i = i + 1; end; print("AP Earned:" .. c) |
| 14:54.04 | foxlit | that's a very fancy for loop you have there. |
| 14:54.47 | znf | Nevermind my coding. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 14:57.33 | foxlit | they say that there are only two hard problems in computer science, but there are actually three. |
| 14:57.56 | znf | hmmm |
| 14:57.59 | znf | Rank 0 is 100 AP |
| 14:58.03 | karl_w_w | easy znf |
| 14:58.10 | karl_w_w | you didn't put a space after the colon |
| 14:58.11 | znf | and I don't think that counts as "earned" as it's given away to you |
| 14:58.47 | foxlit | well, that may be, but 100 ap won't save you. |
| 14:59.02 | znf | ? |
| 14:59.14 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 15:00.03 | Seeker` | what is the output of GetEquippedArtifactInfo()? |
| 15:00.21 | foxlit | znf: <= should be < |
| 15:00.34 | Gnarfoz | my question would be: does "earn" imply "for one artifact"? because GetEQUIPPEDArtifactInfo would seem to suggest it's only for the equipped one |
| 15:01.15 | znf | oh |
| 15:01.24 | Thunder_Child | At least you tried to nudge foxlit. |
| 15:01.31 | znf | Gnarfoz, dunno :-/ |
| 15:01.41 | Thunder_Child | s/e f/e, f/ |
| 15:01.59 | znf | there doesn't seem to be any way to actually calculate it, char wise |
| 15:02.12 | znf | fuck this, nap time |
| 15:02.57 | fewyn | WOO NIGHTFALLEN |
| 15:03.03 | fewyn | that's the emissary today |
| 15:03.17 | foxlit | Do they rotate on a schedule or is it just random? |
| 15:04.03 | znf | beta felt schedule |
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| 15:06.36 | Fisker | I'd think so as well, probably have at least the reputation grind mapped out |
| 15:13.34 | Seeker` | How is everyones nightfallen rep doing? I'm about 5.5k in to honored after doing the emissary |
| 15:14.49 | pompy1 | http://gizmodo.com/itt-is-officially-closing-1786243058 |
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| 17:13.38 | TheDanW | Semlar, Kesava: in 7.1 we added some stuff that should help, i think GetPhysicalScreenSize() will return what you want, similar to the win32 GetClientRect API if you're familiar with that |
| 17:14.02 | fewyn | where am app |
| 17:14.07 | fewyn | i need to go to worrrrk |
| 17:14.08 | Thunder_Child | I read that GetClientRekt. |
| 17:14.13 | Thunder_Child | that as* |
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| 17:15.47 | Stanzilla | TheDanW: do you know if there is a hotfix coming for missing world quests on the world map? |
| 17:15.53 | Stanzilla | as in, some just dont show up |
| 17:16.00 | fewyn | they showed up |
| 17:16.06 | fewyn | then there was another hotfix to fix something else |
| 17:16.09 | fewyn | and i think it broke |
| 17:17.21 | TheDanW | yeah, it's either in the pipe or already applied |
| 17:17.51 | fewyn | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blizzard.wowcompanion&hl=en |
| 17:17.56 | fewyn | why not app store |
| 17:18.28 | Thunder_Child | I wonder if that works on 7.0 |
| 17:18.57 | Constie | Oh, wonderful. I forgot to check again if it had come out. |
| 17:19.07 | fewyn | BLIZZZZZZARD |
| 17:19.32 | Thunder_Child | Don't blame blizz, apple has shittastic reuirements for the app store. |
| 17:19.37 | fewyn | shhh |
| 17:19.40 | Thunder_Child | requirements* |
| 17:19.44 | fewyn | you'll anger the gods |
| 17:19.46 | Constie | My editor warns me about mixed indentation when I open a lot of other people's addons. For shame. |
| 17:20.13 | Stanzilla | TheDanW: I checked like an hour ago and all of the profession WQ were missing |
| 17:20.17 | Stanzilla | but if it's coming, cool! |
| 17:24.47 | Thunder_Child | That app is awesome. |
| 17:25.28 | Thunder_Child | How do you fail a mission with 101% chance? |
| 17:25.46 | Seeker` | Thunder_Child: it probably wrapped :P |
| 17:25.51 | Unkle | because FU that's how. |
| 17:25.57 | fewyn | did you forget to counter something? |
| 17:26.11 | Thunder_Child | No idea. |
| 17:26.35 | Seeker` | not countering shouldn't cause it to fail if success chance is over 100% |
| 17:27.09 | fewyn | there are certain ones |
| 17:27.11 | fewyn | where if you don't |
| 17:27.13 | fewyn | it's auto fail |
| 17:27.22 | Thunder_Child | I think it was also the order quest... |
| 17:27.22 | Seeker` | is tha actually clearly stated? |
| 17:27.24 | fewyn | yes |
| 17:27.31 | pompy1 | https://youtu.be/8ZIOkbrX_uU the mage exodar class quest thing |
| 17:27.32 | Seeker` | it shouldn't give 100% on the UI if there is a chance you can fail |
| 17:27.37 | fewyn | there was a pop up that says HEY DONT COUNTER THIS |
| 17:27.43 | fewyn | IF YOU DO YOU FAIL |
| 17:28.18 | fewyn | time for work |
| 17:28.20 | fewyn | you all have fun |
| 17:30.35 | Simca_ | Stanzilla: there is a checkbox filter system |
| 17:30.41 | Simca_ | in the upper-right corner of the map |
| 17:31.00 | Simca_ | (just to make sure it isn't that) |
| 17:33.43 | Simca_ | Thunder_Child: an 'X' will still pop up if you fail the bonus loot, it's just 'X'ing the bonus loot part |
| 17:33.49 | Thunder_Child | https://www.dropbox.com/s/ux9jq0xb70n2mlu/Screenshot_20160906-102627.png?dl=0 |
| 17:33.58 | Thunder_Child | Maybe I missed something, but it looks odd. |
| 17:34.16 | Simca_ | yeah nevermind lol |
| 17:34.57 | Thunder_Child | It's also possible it's a glitch from the app. |
| 17:35.33 | Simca_ | post on reddit with the "It's probably a rounding error" |
| 17:35.40 | Simca_ | for massive free karma |
| 17:35.52 | Thunder_Child | For very large values of 100.... |
| 17:36.22 | Thunder_Child | I don't particularly like reddit. You are wlecome to use it however. |
| 17:38.15 | Stanzilla | Simca_: nah |
| 17:38.25 | Stanzilla | and damnit |
| 17:38.29 | Stanzilla | you get logged out when you log into the app |
| 17:40.02 | Unkle | So you can't be questing in the world and then use the app to manage your class hall. |
| 17:40.38 | Sharparam | bummer |
| 17:41.06 | Sharparam | at least now i can have something to do while my friends mess with pokémon at uni |
| 17:41.23 | g0urra | refreshes the app store for legion companion.. |
| 17:43.51 | Simca_ | well you can actually see profession quests on the app |
| 17:43.53 | Simca_ | so that's a plus |
| 17:44.56 | Simca_ | g0urra: it's out now - https://t.co/aA4xUNSKCm |
| 17:47.54 | g0urra | Simca_: https://puu.sh/r24AX/4742460051.jpg |
| 17:48.36 | Simca_ | i would not be surprised if apple heavily cached requests |
| 17:51.35 | znf | WEEEEEE |
| 17:51.37 | znf | LEGION APP |
| 17:52.27 | Fisker | old znf |
| 17:52.39 | Sharparam | g0urra: charge your phone |
| 17:52.51 | znf | looks at Fisker |
| 17:52.52 | znf | so what |
| 17:52.53 | znf | weeee |
| 17:53.03 | Fisker | there are worse issues than battery levels Sharparam |
| 17:53.12 | Fisker | Did you even notice that it is iOS? |
| 17:53.20 | Sharparam | :P |
| 17:53.35 | Sharparam | also, using it in non-english :O |
| 17:55.13 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 17:55.26 | Fisker | I noticed that they use "Archive" for "Save" on the translated iOS here |
| 17:58.46 | znf | wtf is this performance, or lack of |
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| 18:04.42 | Kesava | TheDanW: yay, thanks :D |
| 18:05.30 | znf | oh yay |
| 18:05.41 | znf | at least in the companion app you can see the quest that fail to show up on the in-game map |
| 18:05.55 | bshelden | ooo, good to know |
| 18:05.59 | bshelden | I was depending on wowhead for that |
| 18:06.30 | znf | you can't be logged on in both, tough :( |
| 18:13.35 | bshelden | Looks like I'm still depending on wowhead. |
| 18:18.00 | MuffinPvEHero | @znf: lol prof quests still not showing in game but they do in the app? |
| 18:18.06 | MuffinPvEHero | That's hilarious |
| 18:18.25 | MuffinPvEHero | @bshelden: wowhead hasn't been reliably showing them either |
| 18:18.44 | MuffinPvEHero | Only if someone randomly encounters one and their app uploads it |
| 18:19.02 | Seeker` | I really do hate this game |
| 18:19.27 | g0urra | bogus notifications, saying that order hall research is complete |
| 18:19.35 | znf | yeah, not sure what's going on |
| 18:19.42 | znf | I did see the cooking ones a few times on the map |
| 18:22.45 | bshelden | MuffinPvEHero: Sounds very by-design then |
| 18:24.54 | VIad | soloed last phase of dantalionax (ebon rook hold) on my DH |
| 18:25.04 | VIad | group died, I had to do 50 mil dps over like 5 minutes :p |
| 18:25.33 | VIad | but we all learned |
| 18:25.35 | VIad | thats fun |
| 18:25.48 | znf | nope |
| 18:25.55 | znf | still can't find the cooking quest in val'shara |
| 18:26.31 | znf | oh wait, it triggered |
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| 18:57.49 | Seeker` | TheDanW: Can you pass on a request to wherever is appropriate to only lock you out of queuing for hc dungeons if you're actually saved to all of the bosses |
| 18:58.15 | VIad | Seeker`: you can form a group and enter the dungeon normally |
| 18:58.22 | VIad | the bosses you didnt kill should be up |
| 18:58.29 | VIad | only downside is ofc you need to find people :p |
| 18:58.35 | Seeker` | Yeah, precisely |
| 18:58.53 | VIad | I think they dont want you to queue, do it, exit at last boss |
| 18:59.01 | VIad | and repeat the farm to boost others with quick queues |
| 18:59.35 | Seeker` | They don't have to put you back at the last boss, being back at the start of the isntance would be fine |
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| 19:04.28 | Seeker` | It'd mean that I'm not at the mercy of guild groups that have a tank go offline for 10 minutes at the start of the instance and then decide to kick me after the first boss |
| 19:06.02 | znf | 3 new WQs for Nightfallen |
| 19:06.06 | znf | only one is showing up in-game |
| 19:06.31 | VIad | ok so, if you queue specific, you always get clean one |
| 19:06.37 | VIad | thats like locked for you |
| 19:06.56 | VIad | if you random you can end up in half done dungeons, but they could add it so you can requeue with priority for that one |
| 19:07.00 | VIad | so you can complete it :p |
| 19:07.26 | Seeker` | VIad: They just need to set it so that you're only locked out from queuing if you've killed all bosses |
| 19:07.50 | VIad | yea |
| 19:07.57 | VIad | but |
| 19:07.57 | TheDanW | Seeker`: not really a UI call, i'd recommend posting on the official forums |
| 19:07.58 | VIad | hmm |
| 19:10.05 | VIad | need a boost, Seeker`? |
| 19:10.07 | VIad | :p |
| 19:10.09 | VIad | I am on EU though |
| 19:10.23 | Seeker` | I'm EU too. Don't need a boost, just needed a queue to pop :P |
| 19:10.24 | znf | TheDanW, this sounds like a UI issue - why isn't the map showing up all world quests? |
| 19:11.02 | VIad | I am tank |
| 19:11.06 | TheDanW | znf: it's complicated, it's actually a server issue, there's people working on it |
| 19:11.12 | znf | Interesting |
| 19:11.28 | VIad | TheDanW: do you know if IsQuestCompleted will help solve this on the client end like hotfix addon? |
| 19:11.40 | znf | Even more that the Companion App is showing them :o |
| 19:12.50 | TheDanW | VIad: i'm not directly working on the fix, so i don't know if that'll help, i think there's other data you'd be missing |
| 19:12.59 | VIad | hmm, I see |
| 19:15.57 | Thunder_Child | I wonder if the app will be nice enough to give me a notification that something has popped. |
| 19:16.19 | VIad | legion app not on for EU |
| 19:17.03 | VIad | what is the app name |
| 19:17.09 | Andols | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.15 | VIad | hmm |
| 19:17.20 | VIad | "legion companion" ? |
| 19:17.22 | Andols | "Wow Legion Companion" |
| 19:18.07 | Thunder_Child | Well, I will know in 7 min. |
| 19:18.22 | VIad | found it |
| 19:18.24 | Stanzilla | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blizzard.wowcompanion&hl=en |
| 19:21.24 | Andols | Wild Charge on Moonkin and Flap is the best thing ever!! |
| 19:21.52 | Andols | Combined it's a slowfall that you can change direction of :D |
| 19:24.30 | Semlar | TheDanW: can you sort auctions by buyout per item or only total buyout |
| 19:29.27 | Gnarfoz | I think it only sorts by bid? |
| 19:30.27 | Gnarfoz | (base auction UI... mhrm. Less than great. Auction houses are huge, I can't live without a more condensed display like most addons offer) |
| 19:30.41 | TheDanW | yeah, i think its by bid |
| 19:30.50 | TheDanW | which is often not what you want |
| 19:36.05 | znf | AH needs a revamp :-/ |
| 19:36.19 | znf | scanning for items takes forever |
| 19:36.34 | Gnarfoz | actually, base UI AH returns results pretty much instantly |
| 19:36.41 | Gnarfoz | because it doesn't fetch all pages :P |
| 19:37.05 | znf | yes it's fast |
| 19:37.12 | znf | but the sorting is horrible |
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| 19:59.00 | Unkle | TFW you forgot your hardware authenticator so you can't login to the Companion App. |
| 20:00.15 | znf | TheDanW, not a UI question, but I haven't found an actual answer - what are the limits on mob tagging? |
| 20:00.32 | znf | Getting greys on the Captains on the PvP quests is annoying as hell |
| 20:01.26 | foxlit | "Floating mounts are not allowed here" -> it's a horse. |
| 20:01.39 | Gnarfoz | YOU're a horse! |
| 20:02.48 | TheDanW | znf: i believe its up to 5 of your same faction |
| 20:03.00 | TheDanW | except on special mobs, works for both factions |
| 20:03.23 | Ressy | http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20743434203 |
| 20:03.26 | znf | that's silly |
| 20:03.37 | znf | on the pvp captains is incredibly annoying when someone comes with a group |
| 20:03.40 | Ressy | if theres a party, the entire party counts as 1. |
| 20:04.00 | znf | thanks |
| 20:04.10 | znf | Ressy, I severely doubt that at this point |
| 20:04.43 | znf | else, explain how we were 3 people at a captain |
| 20:04.45 | znf | and I didn't get the tag |
| 20:05.04 | Seeker` | were you in a raid group? |
| 20:05.05 | Ressy | some tag and run. Just because they can and they think its a waste of tiem when they can be killing other stuff. |
| 20:05.19 | znf | Seeker`, no |
| 20:05.20 | znf | I quest solo |
| 20:05.42 | znf | Ressy, it's a slow spawn |
| 20:05.46 | znf | si nobody was running |
| 20:05.54 | znf | I'm talking about the captains in the pvp towers |
| 20:06.40 | znf | 3 people, 2 were grouped, I wasn't, they got the tag, I didn't |
| 20:07.03 | foxlit | mythic Helya is being a problem :( |
| 20:07.29 | foxlit | In particular, I have no idea where Corrupted Bellow is going to hit until 2 seconds after I'm dead. |
| 20:07.47 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/AFP37rb.png |
| 20:07.53 | znf | well, there we go, how I stop using dropbox |
| 20:09.17 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/FQpWdPs.png |
| 20:16.11 | VIad | wtf, znf? |
| 20:16.22 | znf | ? |
| 20:16.30 | Sharparam | you've been sharing am2r, haven't you? |
| 20:17.37 | znf | no idea what that is |
| 20:18.04 | Sharparam | the metroid 2 remake that nintendo killed |
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| 20:32.32 | Semlar | Gnarfoz: i meant with the api, not the ui |
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| 20:39.28 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SortAuctionSetSort you can sort by buyout, but i think it's only total, not per item |
| 20:40.29 | Semlar | so you could have a bunch of stacks of 1 item filling up pages for one price, and a larger stack of cheaper items pushed behind those |
| 20:40.51 | Semlar | even if you sorted by buyout |
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| 20:42.20 | PhatsoTGT | hey does SetBackdrop overwrite everything or just whats been said in the backdrop? |
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| 20:43.18 | Semlar | what would it change other than the backdrop |
| 20:43.54 | Semlar | if you mean does it replace the previous backdrop entirely, yes |
| 20:44.03 | Semlar | it's setting it to a new table |
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| 20:50.34 | shirsig | hey, any veterans here with experience in vanilla/lua5.0? |
| 20:50.51 | PhatsoTGT | ya solved that now |
| 20:51.14 | PhatsoTGT | Buttons need wrappers to have regular borders above NormalTexture right? |
| 20:52.34 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoZ41i2dSIw |
| 20:53.16 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/735zQmH.jpg |
| 20:53.17 | znf | pretty |
| 20:53.18 | shirsig | what do you mean? normaltexture is on ARTWORK right? |
| 20:53.22 | Thunder_Child | Is this private server related shirsig? If so that does not fly in this channel. |
| 20:53.22 | mikma | shirsig: private server? |
| 20:53.38 | shirsig | yeah |
| 20:53.53 | mikma | sorry. no help here. |
| 20:53.58 | shirsig | any idea where it would "fly"? |
| 20:53.59 | Thunder_Child | znf: There are stars in front of the moon.... |
| 20:54.04 | znf | haha |
| 20:54.08 | znf | indeed, you're right |
| 20:54.12 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: no, that's the cities on the moon! |
| 20:54.32 | znf | bah |
| 20:54.34 | znf | imgur made a mess out of it |
| 20:54.36 | Thunder_Child | shirsig: No idea. |
| 20:55.16 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz: Those would be massive cities. |
| 20:55.23 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: I bet! |
| 20:55.34 | Thunder_Child | Or it's a really tiny orbiting body. |
| 20:55.35 | shirsig | I was pointed here from the lua channel because most of them don't remember much about 5.0 |
| 20:55.54 | znf | shirsig, no, we don't have any idea |
| 20:55.56 | mikma | and we are pointing the door to you because private servers are evil. |
| 20:56.04 | Thunder_Child | Except this is an official site's channel so we abide by the tos/tou |
| 20:56.05 | shirsig | :( |
| 20:56.07 | Gnarfoz | I'm sure the offical documentation for that version of Lua is still around |
| 20:56.28 | shirsig | yeah no I'm talking about very specific stuff |
| 20:56.37 | shirsig | you won't find in any standard documentation |
| 20:56.45 | znf | that's eas |
| 20:56.45 | mikma | go and buy the wow coding book |
| 20:56.46 | znf | that's easy |
| 20:56.51 | znf | upgrade to 7.0.3 |
| 20:57.19 | Gnarfoz | https://www.lua.org/pil/contents.html "The first edition was aimed at Lua 5.0 and remains largely relevant." -- that page is the first edition |
| 20:57.36 | mikma | gnarfoz: except that does not help that much with wow lua |
| 20:57.53 | Gnarfoz | well, you said 5.0, that is about Lua 5.0 |
| 20:57.59 | Gnarfoz | s/you/they/ |
| 20:58.34 | mikma | dun dun duuuuuun |
| 20:58.55 | shirsig | yeah I've looked at such sources. I mean I don't have questions like "how does vararg work in 5.0" or stuff like that. I've written 10s of thousands of lines of vanilla lua, I have questions that only real veteran devs from 2006 could answer probably |
| 20:59.00 | mikma | https://youtu.be/Z8-RJqo7fcM -- TITS! FEMINISTS! SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS! |
| 20:59.13 | Gnarfoz | actual WoW API docs that omit modern stuff... probably wowwiki, lol |
| 20:59.29 | Gnarfoz | although the split happened long after vanilla ;-) |
| 21:02.41 | Ssateneth | So does anyone here use handynotes? I skimmed one of the rares and treasures plugins and i saw mention to dbm arrows and tomtom arrows. Is that a thing? Like can I enable the arrow to better point me towards the rares/treasure spawn lcoations? |
| 21:07.38 | nevcairiel | yeah those plugins often do that |
| 21:07.45 | nevcairiel | let you click it to get an arrow or something |
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| 21:20.42 | foxlit | shirsig: protip: you really should just ask your question, instead of asking "anyone wanna help me?" |
| 21:21.35 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/PqgxPir.png |
| 21:21.37 | znf | I bet it was semlar |
| 21:22.25 | shirsig | well, they said it's against the rules? though I should also say I have no association with any private servers beyond playing there/developing addons for the 1.12 api |
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| 21:24.17 | foxlit | It is, but those are orthogonal issues. If you ask "will someone help me with 1.12 stuff?", you get one crowd of people saying "BURN THE TOS VIOLATING WITCH!"; if you ask an interesting technical question, you might get another crowd of people to answer it. |
| 21:26.08 | shirsig | for example I have some questions about the intricacies of table recycling to combat the stop the world gc. I've written a new table recycling library with some inspiration from "Compost" (https://github.com/shirsig/aux-addon/blob/master/libs/green_t.lua) and it does seem to have brought some improvements with regard to the micro freezes now that i've thoroughly used it throughout the addon |
| 21:27.25 | shirsig | but it's difficult do do meaningful analysis with the very limited tools available to find out what's actually helping and how much so I could really use some input from people who've dealt with this themselves before 5.1 |
| 21:27.47 | foxlit | I don't think this actually changed in 5.1. |
| 21:28.11 | shirsig | 5.1 implemented an incremental gc |
| 21:28.37 | shirsig | which made table recycling mostly obsolete afaik |
| 21:29.00 | _Kee | shirsig "I've written 10s of thousands of lines of vanilla lua" code is not a penis. it's length does not matter. it's quality does. |
| 21:29.36 | Semlar | from what i've seen, lines of code directly correlates to number of downloads |
| 21:29.49 | Semlar | regardless of quality |
| 21:30.01 | shirsig | I didn't write that to brag, just to illustrate my situations/the kind of questions i would have |
| 21:30.14 | shirsig | as for the quality you can judge it for yourself, it's all on github |
| 21:30.33 | foxlit | (in the sense of it's still a stop-the-world kind of gc, and "stop allocating garbage" is still the answer to many memory-management related performance issues) |
| 21:31.06 | Semlar | the garbage collector really shouldn't be something you need to worry about |
| 21:31.25 | shirsig | it is in vanilla, because you get actually noticable freezes if you don't |
| 21:32.22 | shirsig | stop the world means it will do nothing until it runs out of memory and then it will freeze everything until it's done collecting everything in one step |
| 21:33.40 | foxlit | and here was I thinking it means "while the garbage collector is doing whatever it is it wants to do, no other code can execute" |
| 21:33.55 | foxlit | shows how much I know about gc :( |
| 21:34.11 | shirsig | well that's true for any code isn't it? since wow's lua is single threaded |
| 21:34.59 | shirsig | though actually I have some questions about that too. I've noticed that some eventhandlers are executed asynchronously and have found no documentation for it whatsoever |
| 21:36.19 | shirsig | was getting race conditions from the cursor_update and AUCTION_ITEM_LIST_UPDATE events |
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| 21:41.58 | foxlit | I don't think the order in which unrelated events fire would be defined; if you mean within each of those events separately, I'm not sure what that would look like. |
| 21:42.22 | shirsig | anyway, I'm just parroting the 2006 discussions i've found on this. not sure if there's even an authoritative definition of stop the world. the bottom line is that vanilla's garbage collector seems to be much more prone to freezes when too much heap allocations happen. |
| 21:42.44 | shirsig | what I'm talking about with regard to the events is that |
| 21:42.50 | shirsig | there is actual overlapping executions |
| 21:42.51 | znf | oh look https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/51e4ql/the_auction_house_is_painfully_embarrassingly/ |
| 21:42.53 | znf | discussions about the AH |
| 21:43.38 | znf | Someone did half a job here: http://i.imgur.com/t892exw.png |
| 21:45.01 | shirsig | like say I have a handler for cursor update that looks like this: do local id = 0 function handler() local id = id + 1; print('my id is'..id)<do some spinning>print('done: '..id) end end |
| 21:45.24 | shirsig | eh: id = id + 1; local id = id |
| 21:45.26 | znf | wait as econd |
| 21:45.30 | znf | wait a fucking second |
| 21:45.35 | znf | when did we get our 2nd moon back?! |
| 21:45.55 | shirsig | then you will see higher ids before the lower ones have finished |
| 21:46.13 | foxlit | unless your spinning actually causes events to trigger, that shouldn't happen. |
| 21:47.06 | shirsig | hm, don't think I was paying attention to that. I'd been under the impression that it shouldn't happen in any case |
| 21:47.15 | foxlit | (or at least that's my mental model of how event dispatch should work, I don't imagine I'd notice the difference unless I actually hit that exact issue) |
| 21:47.55 | shirsig | I just assumed that new events would be scheduled to run sometime when no other code is running |
| 21:48.16 | foxlit | no, it's possible to have nested event dispatches. |
| 21:48.29 | shirsig | I see, interesting |
| 21:48.38 | shirsig | gotta test that again then |
| 21:49.06 | foxlit | (there are some C functions which trigger events, I thinkt those happen immediately rather than get put in a queue to execute after your current handler finished) |
| 21:49.07 | shirsig | may be sometimes hard to tell if something's causing an event as it's so badly documented |
| 21:49.55 | shirsig | I have so far assumed though (and had no errors to prove me wrong) that absolutely nothing else will be executed during an onupdate event |
| 21:50.14 | shirsig | *event handler's execution |
| 21:50.58 | foxlit | widget handlers would definitely get to run immediately |
| 21:51.11 | foxlit | say you :Show() something -- that OnShow will finish executing before your :Show() returns. |
| 21:51.18 | shirsig | pretty sure i've tested it for onclick though and it wasn't the case |
| 21:53.23 | shirsig | do you know if basic lua instructions are treated as atomic or do I have to expect anything there? for the most part I've just limited myself to setting flags in event handlers and then handling them in the onupdate for dangerous ones |
| 21:57.10 | foxlit | My assumption is that you can only be preempted if you call an API function which directly needs to tigger some events. |
| 21:59.38 | foxlit | (i.e. not while doing basic stuff like adding numbers, or calling API functions which do not mutate any state) |
| 22:00.28 | shirsig | I'll do some testing on that. Also, another question, about weak tables. |
| 22:00.43 | shirsig | There's an old table recycling library from tekkub (is he still active btw?) |
| 22:01.33 | shirsig | i've implemented essentially the same basic mechanism except that I'm using a hash instead of array for the overflow table |
| 22:01.41 | shirsig | which is weak keyed |
| 22:02.09 | shirsig | now the reason for that is that i've noticed some strange behavior for arrays, not sure if he was aware of that or if it's a bug |
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| 22:02.41 | shirsig | basically I'm not sure what happens to an array with weak values if values are collected |
| 22:03.09 | shirsig | i've tried it with small ones and it didn't change the size, so it definitely doesn't immediately degenerate into a hash |
| 22:03.41 | shirsig | but with large ones I saw them collapse |
| 22:04.41 | shirsig | now tekkub used the following code to insert tables into the overflow pool: table.insert(self.var.secondarycache, t) |
| 22:05.37 | shirsig | but if gc'd values can cause weird things to happen to the size (as obtained by getn) then this would start overwriting existing values |
| 22:07.34 | shirsig | on the other hand if the getn() value didn't change that would also be bad because it could then get arbitrarily large in some cases even if most of the values were collected and the actual table would be very small |
| 22:09.18 | shirsig | I've also read some old discussions with tekkub claiming the space allocated for the keys of a table can never be shrunk? but I'm almost certain that's wrong |
| 22:10.09 | shirsig | t.reset, t.reset = nil, 1 -- this technique seems to shrink them. got that from an old wow programming book (and tekkub is actually also doing it the last version I found of his library) |
| 22:10.32 | shirsig | i.e., insertion after deletion seems to cause a rehashing |
| 22:10.55 | shirsig | (the "insert" key is arbitrary) |
| 22:11.04 | shirsig | eh "reset" key i mean |
| 22:12.05 | foxlit | it can't rehash on removal, because that would break iterators. Maybe that caused some confusion |
| 22:13.12 | shirsig | here's where he's making this claim: http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Lua_object_memory_sizes |
| 22:13.19 | shirsig | "Hashes WILL NOT SHRINK. That means that you must GC them if you want that memory back. " |
| 22:17.53 | Thunder_Child | tekkub still exists, but he seems to no longer hang out here. |
| 22:18.32 | shirsig | he could've just been mistaken but what I find strange is that he wrote this comment on july 18 2007 |
| 22:18.42 | shirsig | unless the dating on wowwiki is broken |
| 22:19.38 | Simca_ | wowwiki forked to wowpedia in 2007, which is when 90%+ of API discussion on wowwiki died |
| 22:20.08 | Unkle | tekkub even still logs into WoW on occasion. |
| 22:20.19 | Torhal | Simca_: 2010 |
| 22:20.23 | Simca_ | oh |
| 22:20.44 | Torhal | I only know that because I was part of the process jst before I moved to Alabama in 2011. |
| 22:20.49 | Torhal | just* |
| 22:20.55 | Simca_ | well activity must have spiked heavily in 2007 |
| 22:21.10 | Simca_ | because a lot of the last posted discussions on wowwiki on various pages are 2007 |
| 22:21.18 | shirsig | if the dating is correct then that would put this comment long after writing his compost library/using the reset idiom there |
| 22:21.36 | Simca_ | you can check the talk page history |
| 22:22.33 | foxlit | dates are just text; things have gone very wrong if they aren't correct. |
| 22:24.25 | shirsig | if this is true I would have to limit the generic recycling to arrays |
| 22:24.55 | Primer | Pardon my ignorance, but what do the ranks mean for professions? |
| 22:25.53 | Primer | it doesn't seem the amount of mats change nor the level of item |
| 22:27.20 | relaxok | foxlit: it would be nice if it were more clearly documented somewhere where the event handlers fire exactly in the logic |
| 22:27.21 | Primer | actually, it does seem the mats change |
| 22:27.30 | relaxok | foxlit: e.g. OnLoad/OnShow |
| 22:27.55 | Torhal | Anyway, Vanilla WoW used a slightly modified Lua 5.0 - after that, it's a heavily-ish modified Lua 5.1 |
| 22:28.03 | Torhal | With 5.1, the GC behaviors changed. |
| 22:31.08 | shirsig | also, I think I got sidetracked about this before: do you know anything about "toplevel" performance issues? I think that might be the cause of many freezes rather than the gc. It happens not just for my own but many old addons too, onebag for example. basically about half a second after clicking and starting to move a frame you get a small freeze. |
| 22:31.40 | shirsig | it seems to happen most frequently when moving the frame for the first time in a session |
| 22:31.44 | shirsig | but sometime later too |
| 22:32.16 | Neffi | I believe that's an engine quirk. I've seen it before |
| 22:32.39 | Neffi | I can corroborate the whole first time moving in a session stuff |
| 22:32.52 | shirsig | do you know any discussions about it/solutions? google has failed me on this |
| 22:32.54 | Neffi | seen it plenty on less powerful computers |
| 22:33.23 | Neffi | I had suspected its just something that hasn't come up because few people used computers as shitty as mine ;) |
| 22:34.50 | shirsig | well my computer isn't that terrible and the vanilla wow client isn't all that resource hungry |
| 22:35.18 | Neffi | wait, why are you using vanilla? |
| 22:35.27 | shirsig | nostalgia |
| 22:35.46 | Neffi | yeah don't expect help here |
| 22:36.08 | shirsig | I got mixed messages about that |
| 22:36.11 | Neffi | the community maintains a relationship with blizzard and respects the rules |
| 22:36.41 | ccox | usually mentioning a private server here gets you kicked almost instantly |
| 22:36.45 | shirsig | someone told me I should just ask if I have "interesting" questions |
| 22:36.48 | ccox | Iâm amazed your discussion has gone this long |
| 22:36.56 | shirsig | I've never mentioned one nor do I have an association with one |
| 22:37.09 | shirsig | I'm simply writing addons for the 1.12 api |
| 22:37.29 | ccox | if you are running old versions of WoW, you are either using a private server, or not playing. |
| 22:37.38 | Neffi | the only way to legally use the client is in accordance with the eula |
| 22:37.55 | bshelden | You are going to find this discussion will go nowhere good at this point. Vanilla means private or not playing. Private = against the eula. "This use case is not supported" |
| 22:38.04 | shirsig | actually I really am not playing anymore, just got obsessed with development somehow |
| 22:38.22 | Neffi | then good luck |
| 22:38.33 | Neffi | if you're the obsessed I'm sure you'll figure it out without our help |
| 22:38.53 | TheDanW | in legion i rewrote toplevel behavior, there should be no lag switching between them |
| 22:39.18 | Neffi | nice. my experience predates that. |
| 22:39.40 | bshelden | Ok, the companion showing me as online to the guild, but not supporting chat is... crappy design. |
| 22:39.48 | bshelden | I just got asked about that on discord. |
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| 22:40.57 | Thunder_Child | They probably tied into existing structures. |
| 22:41.11 | bshelden | Indeed. |
| 22:41.27 | bshelden | Consequence of the same thing that leads to client or companion but not both. |
| 22:41.28 | shirsig | I guess but it can be very hard with so many things undocumented and I still like to discuss it anyhow with who's interested |
| 22:43.30 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really see why the armory, companion, and authenticator are different apps but whatever |
| 22:43.43 | shirsig | also wrote my own module system and it would be interesting to talk to someone who's done similar things back in 5.0 |
| 22:44.31 | bshelden | The authenticator makes sense. The other two should definitely merge. |
| 22:44.49 | bshelden | "wanted an app just for Legion" was ... well, I have no constructive way to put it. |
| 22:45.06 | shirsig | guess that's also still mostly the same nowadays except that get/setfenv has given way to _ENV |
| 22:45.30 | shirsig | I tried to achieve perfect encapsulation with minimal performance overhead |
| 22:45.44 | bshelden | You got the polite version, now lets try firm: Take it elsewhere. Pre 7.0 is not an appropriate topic for this channel. |
| 22:46.33 | shirsig | so let's talk about 7.0. It doesn't matter for this. |
| 22:46.46 | shirsig | i.e. module systems |
| 22:47.23 | shirsig | as I understand most people like to just use plain tables/think perfect encapsulation is overkill? |
| 22:49.20 | shirsig | I've looked at many modern addons' code, especially large auction house addons, and none of them seem to be doing anything fancy with namespaces/encapsulation |
| 22:50.34 | foxlit | the perl shotgun quote applies. |
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| 22:53.23 | shirsig | I find it makes debugging/refactoring a lot easier |
| 23:01.02 | Thunder_Child | Simca_: Yea, must have been an app glitch because I have the reward item in my inventory. |
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