| 00:08.02 | Ssateneth | CAW! >:V |
| 00:21.05 | fewyn | Any suggestions for a good cheap usb audio interace? |
| 00:22.34 | Corrodias | how good vs cheap are we talking? |
| 00:22.38 | *** join/#wowuidev diesal (~quassel@110-174-123-122.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 00:23.04 | Corrodias | quality and features kind of scale with price |
| 00:30.06 | Corrodias | i appear to be using one that goes from $90 up. only 2 channel output, though. intended for headphones. |
| 00:33.13 | *** join/#wowuidev mpstark_ (~mpstark@cpe-70-121-171-72.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 00:33.21 | Jagscorpion_ | could something like ("OnEvent", function(_,_,_,event, _,_,sourceName, _,_,_,destName, _,_,spellId), be written ommitting all the _,'s? |
| 00:33.41 | Jagscorpion_ | so it would just be event, sourceName, etc |
| 00:36.39 | nebula | Jagscorpion_: no, _ is just a throw away placeholder for a arg you don't care about |
| 00:38.03 | Corrodias | if you want to do that a lot, you can maybe make your own function (or a function that returns a function) that only takes those 3 |
| 00:38.10 | Corrodias | depends on the language; i don't remember what Lua can do |
| 00:38.38 | Jagscorpion_ | so as long as I know the name of the argument I don't need to remember the place |
| 00:38.51 | Jagscorpion_ | but if I don't remember the name I would have to remember which order the one I want comes in |
| 00:40.24 | nebula | the args are always passed in the same order for that function, so basically? odd way to put it |
| 00:40.29 | Corrodias | sounds like you're looking for a language feature called "named parameters/arguments", and Lua does have that: https://www.lua.org/pil/5.3.html |
| 00:40.49 | Corrodias | sort of |
| 00:42.05 | Jagscorpion_ | where can I find the positional parameters listed in order? |
| 00:42.14 | Jagscorpion_ | http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT doesn't give me the ones I'm thinking of |
| 00:42.19 | Corrodias | it appears you have to design the function to take a table, and so it really isn't a supported language feature at all. |
| 00:43.06 | nebula | https://wow.gamepedia.com/COMBAT_LOG_EVENT would be a better reference, and what are you thinking of? |
| 00:43.58 | Jagscorpion_ | function(_,_,_,event, _,_,sourceName, _,_,_,destName, _,_,spellId) is looking for those specific parameters for RegisterEvent("COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED") |
| 00:44.13 | Jagscorpion_ | so I'm trying to figure out where I could read through the list that includes all of them |
| 00:44.36 | Jagscorpion_ | as in, one that shows the specific arguments for each placeholder |
| 00:45.11 | Jagscorpion_ | and I think your link was better :) |
| 00:46.05 | Jagscorpion_ | although, based on the link those parameters are all out of whack |
| 00:46.19 | Jagscorpion_ | since the 4th parameter should be sourceGUID |
| 00:46.21 | Jagscorpion_ | not event |
| 00:46.53 | nebula | it's from an event handler, the first two are always self, event, which would be your first two _ |
| 00:48.15 | Jagscorpion_ | ah, so displacing by 2 it does line up exactly |
| 00:48.18 | nebula | self being the frame the function is registered to, and event being COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED |
| 00:49.26 | Jagscorpion_ | so if I told it to print n, n being n,_,_,event etc it would return "self"? |
| 00:49.40 | Jagscorpion_ | or would it return the frame name |
| 00:50.09 | nebula | the frame table itself |
| 00:50.41 | Jagscorpion_ | so by the same token, n in the 2nd field would return the actual combat log event or the text combat_log_event etc |
| 00:51.35 | nebula | it would be a string of the event name |
| 00:51.52 | Jagscorpion_ | and, possibly last question, can I shave off the 1rst 2 and just make it (_,event, _,_,sourceName, _,_,_,destName, _,_,spellId) |
| 00:53.02 | nebula | no, you can't change the event args, but you can recall it like Corrodias said, ie, function(self, event, ...) MyHandler(...) end |
| 00:53.34 | nebula | ... being a special thing in function args meaning "the rest" |
| 00:53.41 | Jagscorpion_ | ooh |
| 00:53.50 | Jagscorpion_ | that's good to know |
| 00:57.32 | Jagscorpion_ | also, this may be a dumb question, how do I change my name? I put an extra space after mine |
| 00:58.17 | nebula | in irc? /nick newname |
| 00:58.22 | Jagscorpion_ | ty |
| 01:05.53 | *** join/#wowuidev maunot (~pankker@mobile-access-bcee39-119.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 01:07.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Kinesia2 (Kinesia2@115-64-111-2.tpgi.com.au) |
| 01:09.55 | Kinesia2 | Hi, I'm getting bad results from GetAuctionSellItemInfo. TotalCount is unreliable. It's always wrong for battlepets, we knew that, but I've got random other items it's playing up for. Has anyone else noticed this? I notice Auctioneer seems to be the only addon trying to use it. |
| 01:11.08 | Gnarfoz | Ssateneth: I just saw Tercio on Quakenet, talking about Details. In English. So I have no idea on which network you were. :P |
| 01:11.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Aiue (~aiue@h-4-145-174.a163.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 01:21.04 | Simca | Hi Kinesia2 I have also noticed this |
| 01:21.38 | Simca | it is not unique to GetAuctionSellItemInfo, the bug exists amongst several 'count'-related APIs |
| 01:22.06 | Simca | but yes, for some reason, it gets completely wrong counts on specific types of items |
| 01:22.34 | Simca | i made a note of it when i fixed a bug in my addon somewhere, let me find it |
| 01:23.51 | Simca | Kinesia2: is it the same bug as this? this is the one I noted in my addon: "-- We need slot_quantity to account for an old bug where loot_quantity is sometimes '1' for stacks of items, such as cloth." |
| 01:25.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Aiue (~aiue@h-4-145-174.a163.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 01:25.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Semlar (~chatzilla@142-196-129-245.res.bhn.net) |
| 01:34.02 | LexSfX | is surge of light broken? it's not proccing at all in my tests |
| 01:34.33 | LexSfX | have tried >100 heals |
| 01:34.36 | LexSfX | not a single proc |
| 01:37.58 | nevcairiel | Some Healy things only proc in combat, if you didn't try that |
| 01:39.05 | nebula | was going to suggest that, but i think that's mostly trinkets and such |
| 01:45.17 | *** join/#wowuidev pompy1 (~Mike@c-50-182-137-173.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 01:56.19 | *** join/#wowuidev ycarene (~jporterf@174-126-166-184.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 02:01.16 | *** join/#wowuidev newbie|4 (~kvirc@80.203.141.26) |
| 02:03.46 | fewyn | i hear japan's PM appeared out of a green pipe at the olympics dressed as mario... i'm told this is not a joke... i demand video evidence right now |
| 02:04.24 | newbie|4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovyXp4hOdv4 |
| 02:08.26 | Ammako | haha nice |
| 02:11.49 | newbie|4 | better vid: https://www.clippituser.tv/c/qxgrr |
| 02:12.05 | karl_w_w | that is amazing |
| 02:12.06 | newbie|4 | don't understand how/why u find this amusing, but idd the guy seems like a cool dude :p |
| 02:13.07 | Ammako | oh my god i just realized the "ma-rio" pun |
| 02:15.18 | Trela | It will not play. *Right clicks on video.* "Powered by JW Player" No fucking wonder. |
| 02:17.00 | karl_w_w | inspect element is your friend: https://clips.clippit.tv/qxgrr/720.mp4 |
| 02:18.52 | newbie|4 | suggest use addons disabling most/all scripts, iframes etc., by default and selectively choose to enable as needed. For Firefox (browser) at least, NoScript & uMatrix are nice (together,too). Risky just accepting/running all such scripts by default.. :o but hopefully u've an Authenticator at least heh :d |
| 02:20.24 | newbie|4 | hate all these various players and crazy massive obfuscated javascripts.. |
| 02:23.42 | newbie|4 | and of course - trust me I tried - every damn browser, chrome ie annoying issue for many years now,with every dam browser (chrome,ie,firefox ..) how they all seem to hang and crash irrecoverably (easily anyway) once u just reach a certain number of browser tabs with flash player in it (and thru numerous flash versions,too)...no error/warnings either. So annoyin...^_- |
| 02:24.48 | Kinesia2 | Simca, it sounds similar definitely. In this case they aren't stackable items, so I have 3 in my inventory and that's what's meant to appear in totalCount, but it's sometimes 1. It happens a lot on crafted PVP gear, but also on a few recipes and necklaces. Other Auction Addons seem to search the whole bag for the item over and over until they don't find one anymore. I really don't want to do |
| 02:24.49 | Kinesia2 | that. |
| 02:25.57 | Simca | ah, my finding with stacks of cloth was based on like... 2 instances of the bug total |
| 02:26.15 | Simca | so it may just be a bug where sometimes quantity > 1 shows up as 1 |
| 02:30.54 | Kinesia2 | It's rare and I only notice it if I've got multiples of something affected, but currently it affects about 20 out of 4000 items. It's always the same items. |
| 02:52.34 | Jagscorpion | can anyone tell me offhand how to store the values returned from a loop in a table? |
| 02:53.01 | Jagscorpion | I tried for t=10, 1, -1 do end tablet = {t} print (tablet[1]) |
| 02:53.06 | Jagscorpion | but that just returned nill |
| 02:53.48 | Jagscorpion | oh well now I see one problem |
| 02:53.55 | Jagscorpion | which is that do doesn't refer to anything :( |
| 02:56.38 | mckenziemc | it clearly says to end |
| 02:57.41 | Jagscorpion | and I guess that screws it up for storing all those values somewhere else |
| 02:57.56 | mckenziemc | :P |
| 02:58.36 | Jagscorpion | what would be the codespeak for "populate table x with the values returned from this loop"? |
| 02:59.24 | Ironii | what are you trying to do? |
| 02:59.45 | Jagscorpion | just learn how it works at the moment |
| 03:00.09 | Jagscorpion | I suspect that populating a table with returned values will be useful at some point, but this particular loop is just an exercise |
| 03:00.57 | Ironii | http://lua-users.org/wiki/ForTutorial |
| 03:01.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Elmoe (~Elmoe@24.18.131.251) |
| 03:03.46 | Ironii | im guessing you wanted to something like: local t = {} for i = 10, 1, -1 do table.insert(t, i) end print(t[1]) |
| 03:04.38 | Ironii | which would print out: 10 |
| 03:05.24 | Ironii | and the table would contain values between 10->1 |
| 03:05.49 | Jagscorpion | sweet! |
| 03:05.59 | Jagscorpion | table.insert is the command I was looking for I think |
| 03:06.41 | Ammako | would table[t] = i be equivalent here? |
| 03:07.33 | Ironii | ? |
| 03:07.40 | Jagscorpion | I don't think so, since i is the starting number, but doesn't contain all numbers in the set |
| 03:08.08 | Ammako | in the loop |
| 03:08.37 | Ammako | wait |
| 03:09.03 | Ammako | nevermind me :p |
| 03:09.21 | Ammako | i cant think |
| 03:09.29 | Jagscorpion | welcome to my world |
| 03:09.54 | Jagscorpion | right now I'm trying to figure out the factorial of 100, which I imagine would use a loop, put into a table, then multiplied |
| 03:10.02 | Ammako | because i saw the table.insert thing and i was thinkin, well i add stuff to a table here but i dont use table.insert so i was wondering if i was doing something wrong somehow |
| 03:10.34 | Ammako | and then i saw the table.insert(t, i) and for some reason i thought that t was the key and i the value |
| 03:10.54 | Ammako | because i skimmed over it too fast and also i never really used table.insert yet so i didnt nkow exactly how it worked |
| 03:11.00 | Ironii | heh |
| 03:11.13 | Jagscorpion | you probably know just as much as I do, again, still new |
| 03:11.20 | Ammako | so now i feel dumb for saying that |
| 03:11.32 | Ironii | Jagscorpion you would use functions for factorials |
| 03:14.20 | Ironii | well, you can do it with for loops ofc too ;P |
| 03:14.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Elmoe (~Elmoe@24.18.131.251) |
| 03:17.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Esamynn|Away (~chatzilla@d154-5-17-3.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 03:18.04 | *** join/#wowuidev [TOM_RUS] (~something@95-29-199-38.broadband.corbina.ru) |
| 03:21.58 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (~RyanNL@104-180-66-29.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:26.08 | Jagscorpion | bahaha I tried to loop it and managed to crash the process |
| 03:26.12 | Jagscorpion | umm |
| 03:26.19 | Jagscorpion | oh I see how that happened |
| 03:27.14 | mckenziemc | that won't stay amusing for long :p |
| 03:37.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Jagscorpion_ (421a52ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.26.82.171) |
| 03:51.04 | *** join/#wowuidev ls- (~ls@180.183.0.93) |
| 03:57.37 | Ssateneth | 100 factorial would be too large to store into lua anyways |
| 03:57.56 | Ssateneth | not sure if lua does flaot, pretty sure not |
| 04:02.59 | kd3 | lua number type: https://www.lua.org/pil/2.3.html |
| 04:03.02 | mckenziemc | % n = 2.0; for i = 3, 100 do n = n * i end print(n) |
| 04:03.02 | yalb | mckenziemc: 9.3326215443944e+157 |
| 04:03.34 | mckenziemc | though it returns 0 if you do n = 2 |
| 04:07.34 | mckenziemc | % n = 2.0; for i = 3, 449 do n = n * i end print(n) |
| 04:07.34 | yalb | mckenziemc: inf |
| 04:07.54 | Thunder_Child | Liar. |
| 04:10.37 | mckenziemc | 998 digits is practically infinity! |
| 04:13.39 | Torhal | Ssateneth: Lua actually uses doubles, and didn't have ints until 5.3 (and WoW is on 5.1) |
| 04:13.46 | Torhal | And I see kd3 linked this. |
| 04:14.31 | nebula | if that's true, why is shit always like 14.99999999999999999999999149439991349399499568 instead of 15 |
| 04:14.53 | Jagscorpion_ | I was struggling to make it do factorials but decided I'd buckle down and learn a bit more before I killed myself on it |
| 04:15.26 | Torhal | Because it loves you nebula. |
| 04:21.22 | mckenziemc | because there's no rounding error at all, nebula |
| 04:23.19 | mckenziemc | rounds Torhal into a square. |
| 04:23.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Andols2 (~yaaic@m83-185-89-145.cust.tele2.se) |
| 04:25.30 | Torhal | converts mckenziemc into a sphere, then into a tesseract. |
| 04:28.34 | Thunder_Child | I think you mean cube then tesseract. |
| 04:28.44 | Torhal | No |
| 04:28.58 | Torhal | I wanted it to be as painful as possible. |
| 04:29.56 | Jagscorpion_ | well guys, thanks for all your help today! have a great night, I'm sure I'll see you again later |
| 04:45.45 | Elmoe | anyone know where there are more specifics on the API changes in 7.1 wrt unit positions? |
| 04:46.03 | Stanzilla | at /dev/null |
| 04:46.05 | kd3 | probably the first 7.1 ptr build |
| 04:49.01 | Elmoe | hah so no details yet I guess |
| 04:49.20 | Elmoe | wonder if they are going to lock down GetPlayerMapPosition |
| 04:49.55 | Elmoe | or just UnitPosition |
| 04:55.48 | kd3 | both, most likely |
| 04:56.05 | kd3 | if you can programmatically get your position, you can broadcast it to the raid and nothing changes |
| 05:02.42 | *** join/#wowuidev ShadniX (dagger@p5DDFCFDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 05:13.15 | Simca | damn |
| 05:13.54 | Simca | those changes kill the 'arrow' that would appear on people's vuhdo bars if they were out of range in order to help you find them |
| 05:14.00 | Simca | that was super useful |
| 05:14.30 | Simca | especially in 25s, where finding them in a clusterfuck of minimap icons is nigh impossible |
| 05:14.56 | Simca | finding them in time* |
| 05:16.02 | Torhal | Simca: Also has the potential to limit certain information gathering. |
| 05:16.13 | Torhal | Not that they've had many herb nodes and such in instances lately |
| 05:43.03 | bshelden | I wonder how much one could reconstruct using ability range checks. |
| 05:44.13 | Mr_Rabies | i have a solution |
| 05:44.22 | Mr_Rabies | instead of an arrow, use a superior daredevil shape |
| 05:44.43 | Mr_Rabies | things got really bad during season 3, -really bad- |
| 05:55.25 | mfgmfg2 | i hope they limit it to in-combat in raid/dungeon |
| 05:55.36 | mfgmfg2 | if they prohibit it OOC, ugh |
| 05:55.55 | mfgmfg2 | competitive instance should be both |
| 05:56.57 | mfgmfg2 | gonna have to see how it shakes out on 7.1 PTR |
| 05:58.38 | Gethe | it may also have an affect on warcraft logs because khira used those functions to sync the combat log location to the map location for combat replay |
| 06:05.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Esamynn|Away (~chatzilla@d154-5-17-3.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 06:17.42 | Semlar | i highly doubt it will have any effect on advanced combat logging |
| 06:17.42 | Semlar | they don't care whether you have coordinates in your logs |
| 06:18.26 | mfgmfg2 | he's talking about the mapping from the position value in the log to the instance map position |
| 06:19.19 | Semlar | i don't see why it would matter |
| 06:19.51 | Gethe | have you used the combat replay? |
| 06:19.56 | kd3 | we don't control the logs that /combatlog uses and we likely can't programmatically get our own position |
| 06:20.05 | kd3 | so I suspect combat replay is poof |
| 06:20.08 | Semlar | it shows dots on the map |
| 06:20.23 | Semlar | the combat log has your instance coordinates, that's all you need to do that |
| 06:20.54 | Semlar | there's no reason to need unit position functions in-game to make any of that work |
| 06:25.03 | nebula | Gethe: those values are in the combat log not usable in game, only output, hence no affect |
| 06:26.35 | Gethe | i'm not talking about in game, it's a feature in Warcraft Logs. he used these functions to translate the postion in the log to a positio on a given map |
| 06:27.43 | NuSuey | morning folks.. (or whatever type of day it is at your place) |
| 06:28.34 | nebula | Gethe: that's all from the combatlog, the actual log written to disk gets all sorts of extra info |
| 06:28.45 | Gethe | i know |
| 06:29.09 | nebula | so how would they changing UnitPosition possible affect warcraft logs |
| 06:29.15 | nebula | possibly* |
| 06:29.25 | Semlar | he thinks they need UnitPosition to sync up those coordinates |
| 06:29.42 | Semlar | which they don't, so i hope they aren't |
| 06:29.45 | *** join/#wowuidev VIad (~Vlad@cm-84.213.146.58.getinternet.no) |
| 06:29.57 | nebula | wcl doesn't use anything from ingame |
| 06:30.25 | nebula | and the log isn't realtime, so i doubt they change anything about it |
| 06:30.36 | Semlar | all they need to know is which floor of the map you were on |
| 06:30.51 | Semlar | i'm not sure if that's in the combat log |
| 06:30.59 | nebula | it's not, they infer it from the boss |
| 06:31.04 | Semlar | ah |
| 06:31.31 | Gethe | they did at leats when the feature was first released, he had to go to the location and get like three points. MysticalOS made a function in DBM specifically to help with this |
| 06:31.34 | Semlar | well as long as they know which map it's supposed to be, they can use the map's offsets to translate the instance coordinates |
| 06:31.51 | Semlar | ew |
| 06:32.34 | Semlar | are you saying they're measuring the maps by hand |
| 06:33.12 | Semlar | because all of that data is available through api functions in-game and db2 files out of game |
| 06:33.16 | Gethe | you know mare about map stuff than i do, so if theres a way do do it with out that's awesome. but idk if khira knows about it |
| 06:38.28 | Semlar | what in the fuck did they do to wowpedia |
| 06:38.37 | nebula | :O |
| 06:38.51 | nebula | broke the redir |
| 06:38.52 | Semlar | it's gone |
| 06:38.53 | nebula | atleast |
| 06:39.08 | nebula | have to goto https://wow.gamepedia.com/ |
| 06:39.19 | kd3 | grr |
| 06:39.21 | kd3 | yelling at someone |
| 06:39.33 | nebula | erm https://wow.gamepedia.com/Portal:Main the base goes to the curse shit |
| 06:39.58 | kd3 | I'm aware. yelling in slack and sending angry emails is going on |
| 06:40.24 | nebula | or it was a cache thing or it was fixed already, lol |
| 06:40.46 | nebula | 1/3 change of https://wow.gamepedia.com/ going back to http://www.gamepedia.com/ |
| 06:40.49 | nebula | chance* |
| 06:44.14 | kd3 | looks like a config change broke, as apparently it's not just us |
| 06:44.18 | kd3 | sighs |
| 06:49.14 | Torhal | #WikiGate? |
| 06:49.16 | Torhal | >.> |
| 07:00.49 | *** join/#wowuidev FreakySneaky (~singmyr@62.109.57.34) |
| 07:06.16 | Simca | seems fixed now |
| 07:20.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Aiue (~aiue@h-4-145-174.a163.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 07:30.09 | Semlar | simca do you know of any way to get the item tooltip for another spec's relic |
| 07:30.45 | Semlar | like this http://www.wowhead.com/item=140824/writ-of-subjugation&spec=269&bonus=1807 just gives me "+1 Rank: Minor Trait" if i try to display it in-game |
| 07:31.04 | Semlar | even when using the spec ID in the item string |
| 07:41.15 | *** join/#wowuidev mitch0 (~mitch@94-21-141-124.pool.digikabel.hu) |
| 08:07.09 | *** join/#wowuidev ls- (~ls@49.49.73.181) |
| 08:08.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Aiue (~aiue@h-4-145-174.a163.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 08:08.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Shockah|Work (~Shockah@185.28.17.74) |
| 08:17.50 | *** join/#wowuidev FreakySneaky (~singmyr@62.109.57.34) |
| 08:22.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Kinesia (Kinesia@115-64-111-2.tpgi.com.au) |
| 08:22.04 | Gnarfoz | can you boost max level chars? |
| 08:22.09 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@213-47-49-27.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) |
| 08:22.09 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy) |
| 08:22.15 | Gnarfoz | just to get the professions part? ;p |
| 08:27.52 | Semlar | tries to calm gnarfoz down |
| 08:27.58 | VIad | Gnarfoz: nope |
| 08:28.03 | VIad | wish you could :p |
| 08:28.14 | VIad | would use it on my DH if I could |
| 08:35.14 | Gnarfoz | not just a DH thing? |
| 08:35.25 | Gnarfoz | meh, ok :| |
| 08:35.51 | VIad | if charLvl >= boostLvl then error() |
| 08:36.04 | Gnarfoz | let me lose a level real quick |
| 08:36.09 | VIad | yeah |
| 08:36.14 | VIad | couldn't even use it on a 99 DH |
| 08:36.19 | VIad | because prologue yo |
| 08:36.47 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: maybe someone should teach nice guys like Kihra how to operate that? or talk to them and just do it for them? instead of them having to deal with insane people like mystical and doing such things by hand? :P |
| 08:37.15 | Semlar | noooooot my problem |
| 08:38.19 | Semlar | i don't even have time to work on my own stuff |
| 08:46.49 | Gnarfoz | ain't nobody got time fo' dat |
| 08:49.05 | Semlar | nop |
| 08:49.45 | nevcairiel | It's not exactly hard Gnarfoz |
| 08:49.56 | Semlar | but if they really are doing it by hand and actually want help extracting the dimensions from the db2 files they can ask |
| 08:50.32 | nevcairiel | They could even extract the info in game if they don't want to deal with db2 |
| 08:50.53 | Semlar | probably easier to automate outside the game for a website though |
| 08:50.57 | nevcairiel | UnitPosition isn't required to get the offset |
| 08:51.13 | VIad | what would be improved if they extracted this data instead if just assuming position based on boss fight? |
| 08:51.30 | VIad | accuracy sure, but anything like worth while? |
| 08:51.56 | nevcairiel | It sounds like they manually guessed for every boss |
| 08:52.03 | nevcairiel | So why not make proper logic |
| 08:54.06 | VIad | a lot of coding hours :d |
| 08:54.29 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel:Â sounds hard to me, but then, the problem description wasn't even clear. just some hearsay. :p |
| 08:54.31 | VIad | if the manual labor is like, once every major patch, go in instance and get some data and update some config file, then it's nothing compared to automating it based on game files |
| 08:54.50 | nevcairiel | Not that many, and guessing goes away if unit position goes away |
| 08:55.07 | Gnarfoz | might have been map scaling? to match the map texture with positions, so the display actually looks correct? idk |
| 08:55.31 | Semlar | even if they're trimming the map, it would be trivial to adjust that based on the new size |
| 08:55.35 | VIad | the combatlogs can't not show unit positions though, they can't remove that |
| 08:55.47 | nevcairiel | Well first you map to the default in game maps, you can scale from there |
| 08:55.58 | Gnarfoz | why not, VIad? we only got that 2 years ago |
| 08:56.21 | VIad | why would they remove the combat log positions? I get it why they want to do that in-game with the api |
| 08:56.26 | Gnarfoz | and I bet it's one of the less used features ;p |
| 08:56.32 | Gnarfoz | nobody said they would. |
| 08:57.06 | VIad | nevcairiel said he thinks it goes away if unit positions do :p |
| 08:57.16 | VIad | and I doubt it |
| 08:57.29 | znf | wcl uses it! |
| 08:57.37 | znf | it's nice to see where everyone was in combat :P |
| 08:58.01 | nevcairiel | I said no such thing, learn to read |
| 08:58.25 | nevcairiel | I only said they use the ingame positions to guess right now |
| 09:01.01 | Semlar | can't wait for boss mods to appropriate the minimap as the new range radar |
| 09:01.24 | VIad | how so, Semlar? |
| 09:02.07 | VIad | I know you can move the minimap under the cursor and read tooltips that show up |
| 09:02.11 | Semlar | no |
| 09:02.47 | Semlar | just drawing a range circle on it |
| 09:02.53 | VIad | ah |
| 09:02.56 | VIad | yes ofc |
| 09:03.05 | VIad | thats like the first step |
| 09:03.10 | Semlar | that's like the last step |
| 09:03.27 | Semlar | no more steps |
| 09:03.41 | VIad | last step is when you create a secondary minimap to move around the cursor to scan :p |
| 09:03.52 | Semlar | that's going to be hard since you can't create a minimap frame any more |
| 09:04.02 | VIad | what? |
| 09:04.03 | znf | wasn't there some discussion of how you can't do that anymore? |
| 09:04.06 | VIad | I did it on the beta for fun :/ |
| 09:04.08 | znf | (create another minimap frame) |
| 09:04.19 | VIad | maybe it was pre-fix |
| 09:04.29 | znf | or I'm just recalling wrong |
| 09:04.44 | VIad | I think so too |
| 09:04.59 | Semlar | they removed the ability to create a frame with the minimap widget some time ago |
| 09:05.05 | VIad | weird |
| 09:05.12 | VIad | I swear I did it on the beta |
| 09:05.43 | Semlar | well you can't do it now |
| 09:05.51 | VIad | screw the minimap then |
| 09:05.55 | VIad | in raids, no minimap for you! |
| 09:05.59 | VIad | at least in combat |
| 09:06.48 | Semlar | i think they are also less concerned with a passive range circle than it pointing you where to go or showing how many people are in range, etc. |
| 09:06.56 | *** join/#wowuidev maunot (~pankker@mobile-access-bcee39-119.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 09:07.22 | VIad | jupp |
| 09:07.55 | VIad | though the minimap should get some love. like you dont see raid marks on it :( |
| 09:08.06 | VIad | it would be cute if the raidmark units were prominent or something |
| 09:17.15 | LexSfX | VIad: what is the practical benefit of seeing raid markers on the minimap? |
| 09:21.17 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 09:22.31 | Gnarfoz | knowing where to run/not to run? |
| 09:22.50 | Gnarfoz | (in a top-down, no 3d geometry obscuring things kind of way) |
| 09:27.37 | *** join/#wowuidev _Kee (59e51d55@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.229.29.85) |
| 09:30.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Aiue (~aiue@h-4-145-174.a163.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 09:42.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Sander (4df91954@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.249.25.84) |
| 10:10.41 | *** join/#wowuidev FreakySneaky (~singmyr@62.109.57.34) |
| 10:48.54 | znf | I should be able to drop a quest in HoTS... |
| 10:49.10 | znf | I honestly don't want to play as a warrior |
| 10:52.17 | *** join/#wowuidev pigeon (~pigeon@eth5284.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net) |
| 10:57.17 | *** join/#wowuidev MaxFrost (~MaxFrost@c-174-53-177-161.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 11:04.33 | znf | how do you sometimes get paired up with the worst team mates in hots? |
| 11:04.41 | znf | I got 2 guys that d/c continously |
| 11:06.40 | Semlar | is there an api function that can reliably indicate whether you're going to get experience/loot from a unit when it dies |
| 11:07.03 | Semlar | the closest i've got is checking whether you're on its threat list |
| 11:07.26 | Semlar | but that's not correct |
| 11:07.30 | VIad | hmm |
| 11:07.44 | VIad | I am afraid there is no such info |
| 11:07.50 | VIad | I agree, its kind of shame |
| 11:07.50 | Semlar | for example you can die during an encounter, get removed from its threat list and still get credit |
| 11:08.10 | VIad | or even be in the threat list and encounter, but not be eligible for loot |
| 11:08.15 | Semlar | you can also face pull something and i don't know whether that qualifies you for credit |
| 11:08.28 | VIad | if you do ulduar with a friend, if one kills furnace, and one kills the dragon, the loot won't be rolled cross boss areas |
| 11:08.54 | VIad | I did this with a friend, he said he was in combat with the furnace boss but didnt get crap, even in visual range with /tar to boss |
| 11:09.13 | VIad | I've also gotten kazzak loot by tagging it, and getting dungeon queue popup |
| 11:09.19 | VIad | then when kazzak died I got loot out of nowehre |
| 11:09.37 | Semlar | hmm |
| 11:09.40 | VIad | yeah I know |
| 11:09.57 | VIad | I have no clue how these loot rules actually work, maybe per expansion or per boss rules they define |
| 11:10.11 | VIad | ideally if you are in a dungeon and in the group when the boss is tagged |
| 11:10.16 | VIad | that should quality you for loot |
| 11:10.28 | Semlar | it may be different based on the situation |
| 11:10.30 | VIad | I guess others might disagree |
| 11:10.48 | Semlar | i also don't have a concrete definition of what qualifies you for loot eligibility |
| 11:11.03 | VIad | I guess 100% if you like attack the boss :P |
| 11:11.16 | VIad | and the npc isn't gray |
| 11:11.23 | Semlar | from personal experience, outside of an instance you generally have to either damage something directly, or possibly heal someone who's eligible for loot |
| 11:11.35 | VIad | in legion invasions these special scenarios |
| 11:11.38 | VIad | you can be in group and afk |
| 11:11.43 | VIad | and have others tag and kill the bosses |
| 11:11.47 | VIad | and you get shards |
| 11:11.54 | VIad | as long you are in visual range upon anyone tagging it |
| 11:12.02 | VIad | like if you fly by the group fighting a guy |
| 11:12.14 | VIad | it works, you were in vision to the boss and someone in group hit it |
| 11:12.21 | Semlar | you do not get credit for being in a raid that kills a dread infiltrator if you don't hit it yourself |
| 11:12.23 | VIad | like, they did something that made them eligible for loot |
| 11:12.28 | VIad | hmm, thats odd |
| 11:12.40 | VIad | garrison fighting npc spawns you only need to be in group |
| 11:12.48 | VIad | the raid shares tag as long someone attacked it |
| 11:12.57 | VIad | so you can afk and loot the corpses after 5 min |
| 11:13.06 | VIad | its weird how these rules are so vastly different |
| 11:13.34 | Semlar | makes this complicated |
| 11:14.00 | VIad | you could narrow it down to like |
| 11:14.07 | VIad | either attack boss yourself, thats 100% |
| 11:14.50 | VIad | or as healer, heal someone in direct combat to the boss that has done the previous step :P |
| 11:14.56 | *** join/#wowuidev chaud_ (~chaud@2602:30a:2ef2:3290:9df7:796b:485d:252d) |
| 11:15.09 | VIad | like taint, it seems to spread |
| 11:15.17 | VIad | under certain situations or actions |
| 11:15.39 | *** join/#wowuidev ccox (~ccox@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/CCox) |
| 11:16.53 | *** join/#wowuidev mckenziemc (~Mark@2602:306:8339:1a20:bc9d:f07:9d95:9954) |
| 11:17.18 | *** join/#wowuidev [TOM_RUS] (~something@95-29-199-38.broadband.corbina.ru) |
| 11:29.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Neffi (~Neffi@visenya.neffi.net) |
| 11:45.51 | LexSfX | wait wtf? "In Patch 7.1, addons will not be able to access unit position in raids, dungeons, and competitive instances." That would break Grid2's direction feature, which is useful and harmless! |
| 11:46.20 | Shockah|Work | i'm more concerned about DBM/WigWigs /range X |
| 11:46.25 | LexSfX | yeah |
| 11:46.32 | LexSfX | for spreading out |
| 11:46.37 | LexSfX | this is awful |
| 11:46.48 | LexSfX | we've raided for years with this, and they're changing it now? |
| 11:47.03 | LexSfX | very frustrating |
| 11:48.14 | VIad | yeah, now you need people to like run away without a radar to tell them how far! |
| 11:48.22 | LexSfX | "There will be spots throughout dungeons where Demon Hunters can take some shortcuts, but your healer can't be a Demon Hunter."... do they realize the first challenge modes golds in MoP were done without a healer? |
| 11:48.34 | VIad | lol |
| 11:48.42 | VIad | what about iron docks 4 blood dk and banace druid? |
| 11:48.43 | VIad | :P |
| 11:48.46 | LexSfX | exactly |
| 11:48.51 | VIad | think they had the gold at some insane time |
| 11:49.01 | LexSfX | vengeance DK has some pretty serious self-heals and mobility |
| 11:49.02 | VIad | like imagine docks 4 min rush |
| 11:49.10 | LexSfX | i don't see why they would even need a healer if they were rushing |
| 11:49.15 | LexSfX | DH i mean |
| 11:49.16 | VIad | druids can leap to a DH with the talent :P |
| 11:49.20 | VIad | fly to ally |
| 11:49.24 | LexSfX | oh yeah, that too |
| 11:49.37 | VIad | if its a thing it will be abused |
| 11:49.56 | VIad | but they added strict kill requirements in CMs so |
| 11:50.01 | VIad | it wont be a problem anymore |
| 11:50.05 | VIad | considering CM are gone :P |
| 11:50.13 | VIad | and you have mythics designed a bit differently |
| 11:50.18 | VIad | dunno if mythics have a kill req? |
| 11:50.23 | VIad | they might I guess |
| 11:50.40 | VIad | but maybe not since the affixes can cause more mobs to spawn sometimes :p |
| 11:50.44 | AcidWeb | Anybody have idea if that will affect battlegrounds too? |
| 11:50.50 | VIad | could be yes |
| 11:50.53 | AcidWeb | "competitive instances" |
| 11:50.58 | VIad | RBGs |
| 11:51.35 | AcidWeb | I wonder how shift+m map will work then. |
| 11:53.22 | VIad | they HAVE to make a new sort of widget or add api to the map widget |
| 11:53.34 | VIad | like a widget that is drawing layer only used to add on top of the map |
| 11:53.42 | VIad | to draw player icons and tooltips, like how minimap works |
| 11:53.52 | VIad | and so you can't read data from it |
| 11:54.05 | VIad | but this hopefully means they will make a proper API C_ thing for this? |
| 11:54.16 | VIad | I mean such huge changes, might as well make a proper C_ for unit positioning :P |
| 11:54.24 | VIad | and control information from there |
| 11:54.45 | VIad | omg, maybe even fix the player map info and such |
| 11:54.55 | VIad | make them not require the world map to be on the right zone for valid data |
| 11:55.08 | VIad | can only dream |
| 11:55.40 | AcidWeb | Well I dont like idea about total lack of any proper bg map. |
| 11:56.03 | VIad | dont think they consider BG as competitive pvp |
| 11:56.10 | VIad | arena and rbg is competitive :p |
| 11:56.17 | VIad | the other pvp is not |
| 11:56.33 | AcidWeb | lack of proper map on rbg is even worse ;p |
| 11:56.39 | VIad | proper map? |
| 11:56.40 | AcidWeb | but we will see |
| 11:56.44 | VIad | you'll still see where people are on it |
| 11:57.08 | VIad | just not be able to use the api to scan the map for positions |
| 11:57.22 | VIad | so you'd have to see the map and make your own decisions |
| 11:57.22 | AcidWeb | Maybe some context. |
| 11:57.29 | AcidWeb | Im author of this: https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/reporter-battleground-map |
| 11:57.45 | VIad | to avoid addon saying "X people go here" because it calculated where people were needed :P |
| 11:58.06 | VIad | that will probably still work |
| 11:58.11 | VIad | as the map is standard shift+m |
| 11:58.16 | VIad | just some extra layers on top |
| 11:58.26 | AcidWeb | yep |
| 11:58.46 | VIad | like you could have made an addon to tell perople by name where to go |
| 11:59.18 | VIad | based on collective data analysis from all addon users |
| 11:59.29 | AcidWeb | It use the same data. |
| 12:00.01 | AcidWeb | Map is created by quering raidX unit position and status. |
| 12:00.44 | VIad | so it might have to CreateFrame("UnitMap") or something and setpoint the widget on the frame |
| 12:00.54 | AcidWeb | Rest is POI icons monitoring to create locale independent node status tracking. |
| 12:00.55 | VIad | and match up the artwork |
| 12:01.07 | VIad | to get the units |
| 12:01.13 | VIad | you can still draw the poi stuff on the side |
| 12:01.17 | Semlar | they do not have to create a new widget, they can just prevent addons from calling any of the unit positioning functions and prevent you from accessing their frames |
| 12:01.27 | AcidWeb | ^ |
| 12:01.41 | VIad | like make them protected? |
| 12:01.45 | VIad | semi-protected |
| 12:01.56 | VIad | if called from blizzard, work as expected |
| 12:02.00 | VIad | if called from elsewhere, not |
| 12:02.05 | Semlar | there is already a system in place for combat-restricted functions, this is almost exactly the same thing |
| 12:02.17 | VIad | but you'd have to somehow hide the frames like the actual poi frames you can iterate :P |
| 12:02.21 | VIad | and go from there |
| 12:02.28 | Semlar | they already do that with the store |
| 12:02.55 | VIad | hehe |
| 12:04.00 | VIad | but it sounds like they have to port a lot of code over to such a system |
| 12:04.18 | VIad | might as well be easier to make C_ and improve the map overall if you ask me |
| 12:04.30 | VIad | I guess 7.1 is far away |
| 12:04.38 | Semlar | not really |
| 12:04.45 | Semlar | should be within a couple months |
| 12:04.45 | VIad | it is |
| 12:04.50 | Neffi | they could probably just set whatever flag activates store-like protection and call it a day |
| 12:05.40 | Semlar | they've also been messing around with how frames are rendered |
| 12:05.45 | Semlar | so who knows what they've added |
| 12:06.19 | Semlar | this is probably part of the reason why they've been revamping it |
| 12:06.29 | VIad | they certainly broke twitter integration |
| 12:06.36 | relaxok | anybody know where in blizzard_combattext it deals with what's damage to you vs damage to your target? |
| 12:06.42 | AcidWeb | "The team wanted to get this in Patch 7.0.3, but they didn't want to break some mods that are harmless in the outdoor world, such as the ones that help with gathering or collecting treasures." |
| 12:07.53 | Semlar | does combattext even display anything other than stuff on yourself |
| 12:08.18 | relaxok | uh, i dont know =[ |
| 12:08.32 | relaxok | what shows damage to targets while you're attacking stuff? |
| 12:08.40 | Semlar | the game engine |
| 12:08.57 | relaxok | oh crap |
| 12:09.00 | Semlar | the damage numbers are rendered as part of the world |
| 12:09.46 | LexSfX | if you disable UI (with alt-z by default), do they still appear? |
| 12:09.47 | Semlar | blizzard_combattext is the scrolling stuff in the middle of the screen for things that are happening to you, or things like entering and leaving combat |
| 12:10.04 | Semlar | i think they turn themselves off when you use alt+z, but they aren't part of the interface |
| 12:10.08 | relaxok | Semlar: that's unfortunate |
| 12:10.23 | Semlar | or at least not an accessible part of the interface |
| 12:10.59 | relaxok | so how do UIs change the fonts for that and stuff? |
| 12:11.07 | relaxok | its just changing a general font type thtas used in lots of places? |
| 12:11.21 | Semlar | there's a global that you can replace that points to the font string it uses |
| 12:11.23 | LexSfX | anything that is toggled with alt-z does this: http://lex.clansfx.co.uk/dump/f7809863bafbe2fe3521268c0431405c/000001A1.txt |
| 12:11.54 | LexSfX | so, check those functions and you'll find what you are looking for |
| 12:12.26 | LexSfX | that is from wow-ui-source/FrameXML/Bindings.xml |
| 12:15.10 | Gnarfoz | they're not part of the UI, so I doubt you'll find anything |
| 12:16.02 | Semlar | if my nameplates don't have names on them are they still nameplates |
| 12:16.54 | Constie | This isn't #philosophy, Semlar. |
| 12:17.00 | Semlar | :( |
| 12:17.49 | Semlar | i'm trying to decide whether i can remove names from my nameplates in favor of a more compact design without sacrificing too much functionality |
| 12:18.28 | LexSfX | you can't. it's important to distinguish between the characters you're attacking or that are attacking you |
| 12:18.37 | LexSfX | especially when playing with other players |
| 12:18.49 | Semlar | possibly |
| 12:18.50 | LexSfX | unless you're only playing arena |
| 12:18.54 | LexSfX | in that case, it could work |
| 12:19.03 | LexSfX | but you'll have trouble with multiples of the same class |
| 12:19.11 | Semlar | there are other ways to provide that information though |
| 12:19.23 | LexSfX | like arena1, arena2, etc. |
| 12:19.25 | LexSfX | yes |
| 12:19.29 | Semlar | without always showing a name over their head |
| 12:19.50 | LexSfX | it can be a source of bias seeing their name |
| 12:20.13 | LexSfX | it can be distracting seeing certain names in arena, for sure |
| 12:21.13 | LexSfX | you've made me consider not configuring my UI to purposely hide enemy names in arena from now on, actually |
| 12:21.20 | LexSfX | minus "not " |
| 12:21.33 | Semlar | i was thinking about making a round nameplate with their portrait in the center surrounded by their health |
| 12:22.37 | Semlar | could swap the portrait for a spell icon when they're casting |
| 12:22.42 | LexSfX | you could make them get increasingly bloody like doomguy at low health :P |
| 12:23.19 | LexSfX | or instead of spell icon while casting, debuff icon while CCed so you can time chains |
| 12:23.50 | LexSfX | although that can be done with enemy arena frames more easily |
| 12:24.26 | LexSfX | but seeing it in the nameplate would be good for classes that have to look at or be close to the character to CC, like hunters and priests |
| 12:24.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Hazal (~Mikkel@109.201.154.135) |
| 12:26.20 | Semlar | i think the name is too important to remove though |
| 12:26.36 | Semlar | maybe i can just make it less obtrusive |
| 12:28.20 | Constie | I would say the name should stay unless you're always going to have raid icons on targets you're going to switch to. |
| 12:28.24 | Gnarfoz | Semlar:Â TransmogRoulette is featured in the Curse app, haha :D |
| 12:28.30 | Semlar | o.o |
| 12:29.41 | Semlar | scrambles gnarfoz |
| 12:29.56 | VIad | I put the name inside the health bar |
| 12:29.59 | VIad | to save space :p |
| 12:30.04 | VIad | on my old nameplates |
| 12:30.44 | Semlar | i don't use a traditional health bar |
| 12:31.52 | Semlar | i mostly just want them to take up a lot less space than they do now |
| 12:32.05 | Semlar | while still providing me with information |
| 12:34.27 | *** join/#wowuidev ycarene (~jporterf@174-126-166-184.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 12:35.18 | Semlar | i was toying with the idea of only temporarily displaying the name when they first appear or something |
| 12:36.00 | VIad | omg |
| 12:36.04 | VIad | just replace the name with a 3d model |
| 12:36.14 | VIad | so its easy to see what you are targeting |
| 12:38.43 | Gnarfoz | genius idea |
| 12:41.20 | VIad | well actually |
| 12:41.29 | VIad | if you fight 20 mobs and you need to find ONE of them |
| 12:41.41 | VIad | I guess its important to have something inique to go by :p |
| 12:41.49 | VIad | only having bars will be hard |
| 12:41.58 | VIad | for example 8 elites + 1 guy that fears |
| 12:42.14 | VIad | stacked on top of tank. trying to find the one to stun/interrupt (UBRS example) |
| 12:44.32 | LexSfX | that's what Enemy Grid is for though |
| 12:44.42 | LexSfX | (and/or any equivalent addons, which should be more common) |
| 12:46.38 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (~nevin@pool-96-230-101-167.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 12:46.38 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 12:46.46 | VIad | also I hate how mobs try to spread out |
| 12:46.50 | VIad | like trash in front archimonde |
| 12:47.00 | VIad | the new behavior is for one of the fat guys to go behind tank |
| 12:47.06 | VIad | he feels like there isnt room in front :/ |
| 12:47.10 | Semlar | meh, when i made an "enemy grid" addon a couple years ago i didn't find it particularly useful in combat |
| 12:47.13 | VIad | some weird targetingcircle scale thing |
| 12:48.08 | Semlar | maybe if you're playing a dot class and you can just wave your mouse around and dot everything that doesn't have dots on it already |
| 12:48.38 | VIad | I speak for all tanks, I hope blizz tones down the mob pathing behavior, the spread out behavior :P |
| 12:49.02 | VIad | think they made them consider how large they are to try spread evenly |
| 12:49.14 | VIad | works horrible if you solo tank huge mobs, hard to keep them in front |
| 12:57.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Arrow|work (~Arrowmast@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ResponsibleForEverythingAndNothing/Arrowmaster) |
| 12:59.26 | *** join/#wowuidev hizuro (~hizuro@WoWUIDev/hizuro) |
| 13:00.17 | Gnarfoz | http://www.kmov.com/story/32807204/12-year-old-running-trump-campaign-office-in-colorado oO :D |
| 13:03.36 | *** join/#wowuidev ikcerog (~ikcerog@12.165.188.170) |
| 13:07.51 | foxlit | I can't figure out why the article text bugs me. |
| 13:08.09 | Kalroth | its written by a 12-year old |
| 13:08.10 | foxlit | It's like the language is ever-so-slightly wrong in every sentence. |
| 13:11.16 | Arrow|work | isnt trump anti legalization, im not surprised the only people they could find in colorado to run the campaign were 12 |
| 13:12.17 | LexSfX | VIad: agreed |
| 13:14.45 | znf | http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/harambe-memes-cincinnati-zoo-gorilla-shot-dead-rip-a7203356.html |
| 13:21.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (~Ressy@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Ressy) |
| 13:26.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Ketho (~Ketho@ip565063bd.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 13:27.37 | Constie | Reaper main detected. http://i.imgur.com/Hj8JCA3.png |
| 13:29.29 | Ressy | Hai Constie. :) |
| 13:29.45 | VIad | cat person detected |
| 13:29.56 | foxlit | terrible terrible priests. |
| 13:30.15 | Ressy | shush foxlit |
| 13:31.58 | karl_w_w | so I've seen all the Next Generation episodes, but I've only just found out the riker chair manoeuvre is a thing |
| 13:33.57 | foxlit | on the other hand, that hand suffers from a pronounced shortage of barnes and onyx bishops, so I'm pretty sure you're drawing that wrong. |
| 13:34.44 | Constie | Hi, Ressy! ⥠|
| 13:34.48 | Ressy | <3 |
| 13:35.08 | Constie | I actually don't have Barnes in the deck. I probably should. |
| 13:36.44 | foxlit | my poor druid deck has like a 0% win rate against that deck, and experimentally, 100% of priests have a resurrect effect to play every turn. |
| 13:36.51 | foxlit | sadness! |
| 13:38.19 | Constie | It's so fun. I had three Yseras during the course of an earlier game. |
| 13:38.55 | foxlit | I have... c'thun. |
| 13:39.23 | foxlit | which helps nothing. |
| 13:41.25 | *** join/#wowuidev NodusCursorius (~NodusCurs@unaffiliated/noduscursorius) |
| 13:41.54 | alestane | Anyone familiar with a Wordpress issue where one's outward-facing site is fine, but the user management page consists of the menu margin and a big white frame? I'm poring through Google but any insight is welcome. |
| 13:46.09 | alestane | I suspect that the fact that my dsahboard says there are 40 updates is relevant, but since I can't get it to display or apply the updates, still kind of stuck. |
| 13:48.11 | xmyno | Anything in the php log? |
| 13:48.21 | alestane | Maybe? |
| 13:49.09 | Simca | karl_w_w: if it makes you feel better, i didn't know it was a thing either until after i watched all of it twice |
| 13:49.29 | Simca | guess it just says how seamless he does it in most places |
| 13:49.35 | znf | 60⬠for no man's sky?! |
| 13:49.39 | znf | f* that O.O |
| 13:50.31 | Shockah|Work | ^ |
| 13:51.13 | alestane | xmyno: [22-Aug-2016 13:49:54 UTC] PHP Fatal error: Access to undeclared static property: WP_Screen::$this in /home/knowsallseesall/playsmith.net/deblugger/wp-admin/includes/screen.php on line 706 |
| 13:52.27 | alestane | Have a possible fix. |
| 13:53.30 | znf | 1. theme fucked |
| 13:53.31 | znf | 2. files fucked |
| 13:53.37 | znf | 3. php version? |
| 13:53.52 | Kalroth | php 3.x?? |
| 13:53.56 | znf | got shell access, or it's shared hosting? |
| 13:54.06 | alestane | Bug in my Wordpress version. Fixed now, so about to update WordPress (now that I CAN) and see if that helps. |
| 13:54.25 | alestane | http://wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/127427/how-to-fix-empty-dashboard-issue-in-wordpress |
| 13:56.04 | znf | 3.3.1?!?? |
| 13:56.06 | znf | hesus |
| 13:56.16 | VIad | wordpress is scary, old, outdated, highly popular, and plugin system that produces 90% exploitable code people hack, inject, so on. |
| 13:56.28 | znf | Wordpress is actually awesome as a CMS |
| 13:56.45 | znf | it's the easiest one out there, empowering millions of people to write and start a business online |
| 13:56.54 | VIad | perhaps if you do not install plugins, it's safeish |
| 13:57.02 | znf | you don't need all crappy plugins |
| 13:57.09 | VIad | people don't think like that |
| 13:57.15 | VIad | they go on the plugin thing and search |
| 13:57.24 | VIad | and find most of the time, crap security plugins |
| 13:57.28 | znf | that's not a fault of the CMS :) |
| 13:57.44 | VIad | it's the CMS that has the functionality to easily add and search plugins :p |
| 13:58.03 | VIad | like saying google play can't be blamed if people upload scamware on it |
| 13:58.13 | VIad | you kind of can, lack of screening :p |
| 13:58.22 | znf | which is the most attractive feature of the CMS |
| 13:58.34 | znf | if it would have to pass trough a billion reviews, it would be a dead cms |
| 13:58.45 | VIad | I am talking about their plugin process |
| 13:58.49 | *** join/#wowuidev mpstark_ (~mpstark@cpe-70-121-171-72.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 13:58.53 | VIad | anyone can upload a crap plugin and post it on wordpress |
| 13:58.56 | znf | So? |
| 13:58.58 | VIad | and have millions of users downloading it |
| 13:59.02 | znf | ...so? |
| 13:59.10 | znf | and no, "millions of users" don't happen overnight :P |
| 13:59.13 | znf | I have a WP plugin |
| 13:59.14 | VIad | I can literally put in a snippet to send me your passwords on mail |
| 13:59.33 | VIad | soubt anyone will stop me from uploading the plugin, or anyone caring to block others from downloading it |
| 13:59.49 | znf | I can also host it somewhere else and ask people to install it. |
| 13:59.51 | znf | What's your point? |
| 14:00.11 | VIad | you expect the standard plugin store to be secure enough to not be afraid to use it |
| 14:00.21 | znf | no, you don't |
| 14:00.24 | znf | it's an open source cms |
| 14:00.30 | znf | also FREE |
| 14:00.46 | znf | nobody will hold your hand |
| 14:00.50 | VIad | you are confusing the actual CMS code written, and the code anyone can write and upload to their database |
| 14:01.12 | VIad | android is also open source |
| 14:01.20 | znf | I'm not sure what you're trying to say |
| 14:01.20 | VIad | doesn't mean they let you upload malware on the store |
| 14:01.25 | znf | actually they do |
| 14:01.30 | znf | there have been cases |
| 14:01.37 | VIad | I said they need better screening processes, wordpress has like none |
| 14:01.44 | VIad | apple and google at least try |
| 14:02.10 | znf | It's your damn fault if you install everything from their plugin system... |
| 14:02.33 | VIad | google has a nice way to flag devs that code good stuff, so its easy to use as some sort of reference |
| 14:02.44 | VIad | or popular apps that have a lot of happy users |
| 14:02.58 | VIad | wordpress to my knowledge doesn't have any smart way to decide what you see first |
| 14:03.19 | VIad | if you search "facebook" you find maybe one popular thing ,and 9 outdated plugins that are insecure, and it's not always that clear |
| 14:03.55 | VIad | maybe wordpress would be better off having a paid model to be allowed to post plugins on their site |
| 14:04.12 | VIad | as a part of a system to help get more safer code in it and keep the malware out |
| 14:04.16 | znf | you saying? http://i.imgur.com/TefvEip.png |
| 14:04.42 | znf | nobody would fucking write plugins for it if it would be paid |
| 14:05.01 | VIad | you pay a small fee to publish on google too |
| 14:05.09 | znf | good, you can actually make money off that |
| 14:05.24 | VIad | its mostly a gating mechanism |
| 14:05.35 | znf | if I wrote a small plugin for wordpress, and I decide to share it with the world, I can't be arsed to pay for that |
| 14:05.37 | VIad | like how f2p games have more cheaters, because so what if you get banned :p |
| 14:06.04 | VIad | it's the price you had to pay to get listed on the official plugin site |
| 14:06.12 | znf | I don't want to pay shit. |
| 14:06.26 | znf | I'm not making money out of it. Why the fuck should I pay to share my code with the world? |
| 14:06.28 | VIad | can always post it on dropbox and depositfile with less trustworthyness |
| 14:07.05 | znf | you're delusional |
| 14:07.10 | VIad | you're delusional |
| 14:07.19 | mitch0 | no u |
| 14:07.27 | VIad | n u |
| 14:07.30 | Thunder_Child | Ladies, Ladies, you are both the prettiest girls in school. |
| 14:07.36 | mitch0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.44 | VIad | are you assuming my gender? |
| 14:07.59 | VIad | white male cis priviledge patriarchy scum |
| 14:08.05 | mitch0 | wuzzie |
| 14:08.10 | znf | also, there is manual approval for the wordpress plugins |
| 14:08.28 | VIad | (forgot to ad-hoc BLW) |
| 14:08.42 | Thunder_Child | Oh look, tumbler is in the channel now. |
| 14:08.42 | Thunder_Child | tumblr* |
| 14:08.56 | znf | https://pippinsplugins.com/tips-getting-plugin-approved-wordpress-org/ |
| 14:09.47 | VIad | tumbler* |
| 14:10.07 | *** join/#wowuidev gkeen_ (uid37501@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ebrfzvywzxafwxrf) |
| 14:10.12 | VIad | I guess timbler.com was taken so they had to tumblr.com :p |
| 14:10.15 | VIad | tumbler* |
| 14:11.01 | alestane | Fresh install of WP 4.6: done. |
| 14:11.23 | VIad | when I installed WP for someone else, I had to edit the config file and hard disable plugins |
| 14:11.37 | VIad | just to avoid future headache when someone uploaded some plugin that was crap and malware :p |
| 14:11.39 | alestane | Of course, content also appears to be gone. |
| 14:11.51 | VIad | you said fresh install, right? |
| 14:11.51 | alestane | Or having some other WSOD issue. |
| 14:11.59 | alestane | Well, it updated my database. |
| 14:12.03 | VIad | hmm |
| 14:12.07 | Thunder_Child | I used wp for the first time ~a month ago helping out with someones site. I really really hate it. |
| 14:12.19 | alestane | Stil lists the posts in my dahboard. |
| 14:13.02 | alestane | So content exists, but nothing displays on the outward site any more. |
| 14:13.33 | alestane | Logging time again. |
| 14:15.21 | alestane | Hmm, no log being created. |
| 14:19.14 | xmyno | maybe the theme now uses an outdated method to display posts |
| 14:21.51 | xmyno | check if they are showing with one of the default themes |
| 14:26.57 | alestane | Switched over to a provider-managed install as an experiment, should now in a few minutes if it's sorted. |
| 14:27.58 | *** join/#wowuidev chaud__ (~chaud@2602:30a:2ef2:3290:9df7:796b:485d:252d) |
| 14:29.08 | alestane | Yeah, some kind of theme problem. |
| 14:36.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Noshei (~quassel@c-24-9-171-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 14:43.29 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO^^ (A-KO@2601:143:4201:b940:78db:f8dd:a392:60a8) |
| 15:00.27 | *** join/#wowuidev chaud__ (~chaud@2602:30a:2ef2:3290:9df7:796b:485d:252d) |
| 15:11.59 | *** join/#wowuidev g0urra (~g0urra@unaffiliated/gourra) |
| 15:17.34 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Saw249 (~gnoll@ip9234deca.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 15:35.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Andols (~yaaic@195-252-56-181-no191.business.telia.com) |
| 15:42.28 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: you might think about changing the color of either 'first appearance' or the section underline. |
| 15:45.45 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: Also, i'm not seeing an effect of selecting items in 'file loading order' other than a strikethrough, is there supposed to be one? |
| 15:47.52 | foxlit | There may or may not be one depending on the addon. Is there something wrong with the orange? |
| 15:48.16 | Thunder_Child | They are the same color and adjacent. |
| 15:48.47 | foxlit | like a 4-pixel gap for me. |
| 15:50.19 | foxlit | https://go-hero.net/i/gwc.png ? |
| 15:50.35 | Thunder_Child | 3.370 pixel gap. The point is that it takes a second to differentiate. |
| 15:51.30 | *** join/#wowuidev [TOM_RUS] (~something@95-29-199-38.broadband.corbina.ru) |
| 15:53.10 | xmyno | this is how it looks in chrome 52, windows: http://i.imgur.com/jSO5bft.png |
| 15:55.11 | Thunder_Child | People could also get confused that the two are related. |
| 15:56.37 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO^^ (A-KO@2601:143:4201:b940:78db:f8dd:a392:60a8) |
| 16:02.23 | foxlit | so what you're saying is that I have to find more colors :*( |
| 16:04.33 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO|hc (A-KO@2601:143:4201:b940:78db:f8dd:a392:60a8) |
| 16:04.46 | foxlit | xmyno: fixed the missing margin |
| 16:05.34 | xmyno | yup :) |
| 16:15.15 | *** join/#wowuidev ilar (~ilar@osuosc/ilar) |
| 16:15.24 | *** join/#wowuidev chaud_ (~chaud@2602:30a:2ef2:3290:9df7:796b:485d:252d) |
| 16:16.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Aiue (~aiue@h-4-145-174.a163.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 16:18.23 | *** join/#wowuidev FreakySneaky (~singmyr@c-0afe70d5.047-328-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 16:27.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Saw249 (~gnoll@ip9234deca.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 16:29.28 | TheDanW | Ironii, Semlar: basically if it lets you build dynamic "move here" sort of addon it'll get broken/reduced functionality - if we miss something then we'll fix it |
| 16:29.49 | TheDanW | ideally with minimal changes to other types of addons |
| 16:31.36 | Ironii | all you need is 3 guys standing still in specific spots and you can make 100% accurate radar with UnitDistanceSquared() |
| 16:32.15 | Constie | I kind of wish boss mods weren't a thing at all, so I wouldn't have to think about them when making UIs. |
| 16:32.17 | Ironii | for example for chaos casts in archimonde, 3 guys standing in marked spots, rest just move with the radar |
| 16:32.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Shockah (~Shockah@abef50.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 16:32.36 | TheDanW | yup, UnitDistanceSquared() is changing for 7.1 |
| 16:33.34 | Ironii | how? |
| 16:33.41 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 16:33.50 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 16:33.56 | Fisker | Yay |
| 16:34.52 | TheDanW | i'm not the author of these changes, but i'd expect it to not work in "raids, dungeons, and competitive instances" |
| 16:35.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Yoshimo (~anything@unaffiliated/yoshimo) |
| 16:36.58 | nevcairiel | Sure will feel kinda odd to see the map of the dungeons but not where you are or your party members |
| 16:37.05 | nevcairiel | Unless it's only off in combat |
| 16:37.44 | VIad | wait, aren't we getting the same unit position info on worldmap/minimap even past the changes in 7.1? |
| 16:37.57 | VIad | thought only addons wouldn't be able to get the data they want from the APIs |
| 16:38.03 | *** join/#wowuidev ls- (~ls@49.49.73.181) |
| 16:38.17 | TheDanW | you'll still see party/raid on the world map |
| 16:38.42 | TheDanW | including in combat |
| 16:38.44 | nevcairiel | But then what prevents an add-on from using that info? |
| 16:39.06 | VIad | guessing custom widget type |
| 16:39.10 | nevcairiel | Unless you build a new crazy blob frame to draw them secretly |
| 16:39.13 | TheDanW | similar to not being able to retrieve data from the minimap |
| 16:39.20 | Ironii | TheDanW any plans on reducing the amount of different range checks available from items and instead adding a few basic apis like IsInMeleeRange etc? |
| 16:39.25 | VIad | CreateFrame("WorldMapUnits") ? |
| 16:40.20 | TheDanW | Ironii: not that i'm aware of, it's something we could discuss |
| 16:40.33 | TheDanW | VIad: something like that, a bit more generic |
| 16:40.46 | Ironii | and maybe give access to check ranges using debuff spellid (for spreading in instances etc) |
| 16:40.57 | VIad | told you, Semlar |
| 16:41.53 | Ironii | then you could actually control which debuffs addon authors could use instead of using random items for range checks |
| 16:42.59 | foxlit | that seems like an argument for breaking random item range checks :) |
| 16:43.14 | Ironii | and if you reduce the ranges available from items and instead allow range checks from debuffs etc it would be impossible to build any sort of useful radar with range checks |
| 16:44.10 | *** join/#wowuidev chaud_ (~chaud@2602:30a:2ef2:3290:9df7:796b:485d:252d) |
| 16:45.23 | Ironii | something like while you have debuff X you can use it with IsSpellInRange() |
| 16:46.07 | Ironii | assuming you defined a spread range for it |
| 16:46.14 | VIad | do you want them to enforce default UI in combat? because this is how addons die |
| 16:46.36 | foxlit | yes. |
| 16:50.41 | Ironii | VIad how often do you use item range checks during encounters ? |
| 16:50.46 | Ironii | expect for spreading ofc |
| 16:51.16 | VIad | none in my addons |
| 16:51.18 | foxlit | (or, rather, it would be much nicer if the automatic response to "hey guys what do I need for raiding" wasn't "Go download DBM, Iskar, Weak Auras, and import these 17 scripts" |
| 16:51.50 | VIad | tons of toys that have variousranges and usable on others |
| 16:52.00 | VIad | but I dont want them to break all the range apis now :/ |
| 16:52.18 | Ironii | but is there really a point of having so many different ranges for items? |
| 16:52.23 | nevcairiel | Idiots will still keep finding "required" things, although iskar was rather stupid without add-on help |
| 16:53.02 | Ironii | did you try mythic iskar before they fixed the debuffs during p2 ? :D |
| 16:53.58 | Ironii | that was stupid with right WA |
| 16:54.13 | Ironii | i don't think the dev who made iskar will make the same mistake again |
| 16:54.25 | nevcairiel | Typically we just tell our raiders we don't require anything, but you better don't fuck up because of lack of information |
| 16:55.44 | Constie | That seems reasonable. |
| 16:55.49 | foxlit | anyway, the point is that breaking every avenue for range checks constrains the encounter design team into providing range feedback naturally to everyone, rather than designing around addons. |
| 16:56.24 | nevcairiel | Spell ranges are important, I need to know if I can't heal that dude over there |
| 16:56.51 | *** join/#wowuidev chaud_ (~chaud@2602:30a:2ef2:3290:9df7:796b:485d:252d) |
| 16:57.03 | Ironii | i don't think that spell ranges are that big problem, you only have a few different ranges to choose from, you can't build anything usefull from them |
| 16:57.04 | foxlit | By all means communicate that you're out of healing range. |
| 16:57.12 | foxlit | The answer to "am I going to blow up the raid" shouldn't really be "download this addon which will call some API functions and tell you", but some visiual effect in the world. |
| 16:58.09 | TheDanW | i'll bring it up with Ion and the others working on this, we don't want to break any more functionality than is required but we don't want encounters overly constrained or trivialized by addons |
| 16:58.11 | Ironii | but there are so many different item with with various ranges and they are mostly used for checking range between player a & b, not for the item usage |
| 16:58.23 | Ironii | -with |
| 16:58.58 | foxlit | constraining those to check against your target/mouseover only would probably be okay. |
| 16:59.30 | Ironii | true |
| 17:00.47 | Ketho | why does Ion always have to drop bombs on us :x |
| 17:01.45 | Ironii | meh, everyone has months to get used to the idea |
| 17:02.54 | Ironii | and the addon usage in WoD raiding was crazy |
| 17:03.14 | Ironii | atleast im not that surprised that devs wanted to do something about it |
| 17:05.58 | foxlit | hurray for Divine Intervention during those invasion bosses. |
| 17:06.43 | VIad | iskar is actually really crappy designed boss if you do it without the default UI |
| 17:06.54 | VIad | default UI I think highlight the important boss debuffs |
| 17:07.00 | VIad | maybe not your grid2 :p |
| 17:09.59 | *** join/#wowuidev maunot (~pankker@mobile-access-bcee39-119.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 17:15.33 | nevcairiel | highlighting debuffs is not what makes iskar so crappy |
| 17:15.55 | nevcairiel | the whole throwing thing is just super clunky with the button in a fixed position on the screen |
| 17:16.59 | *** join/#wowuidev chaud__ (~chaud@2602:30a:2ef2:3290:9df7:796b:485d:252d) |
| 17:17.49 | ls- | tbh, I liked throwing the eye :p |
| 17:19.46 | nevcairiel | its the one boss we still wipe on the most because someone fucks up |
| 17:19.53 | nevcairiel | or well used to, not really going there anymore now |
| 17:20.43 | nevcairiel | (and that was with addons) |
| 17:22.30 | bshelden | I'm not looking forward to the odd difficulty jump of existing content come 7.1. |
| 17:23.11 | nevcairiel | just get used to not relying on range things, or even better just dont start relying on them in 7.0 content and there wont be a jump =p |
| 17:23.12 | bshelden | Erm, should refine that. I wish this happened for 7.0. The change is fine, but it'll affect current content and that's going to be rough. |
| 17:23.53 | bshelden | Yeah, that'll take more discipline than my very casual group has. Also digging into dbm and turning things off. |
| 17:32.40 | mfgmfg2 | does this mean paragon is going to own this expansion? |
| 17:32.58 | ls- | they stopped raiding |
| 17:33.26 | ls- | http://www.paragon.fi/node/1122.html |
| 17:35.46 | VIad | I remember the bombs healing platform, that was fun times |
| 17:35.53 | VIad | I truly believe it was discovered accidentally |
| 17:35.56 | VIad | then used because why not? |
| 17:38.11 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (A-KO@2601:143:4201:b940:78db:f8dd:a392:60a8) |
| 17:49.50 | *** join/#wowuidev _Kee (59e51d55@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.229.29.85) |
| 17:58.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Gethe_ (~Gethe@cpe-24-55-4-32.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 18:01.44 | *** join/#wowuidev FreakySneaky (~singmyr@c-0afe70d5.047-328-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 18:10.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Gethe (~Gethe@cpe-24-55-4-32.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 18:20.31 | foxlit | Hm, how am I missing the pandaria questline? |
| 18:21.17 | bshelden | On your DH? I had to find it on the quest board. |
| 18:21.50 | foxlit | on my paladin |
| 18:22.23 | foxlit | quest board has firelands, WoD and Legion. |
| 18:23.06 | nevcairiel | maybe you did pandaria |
| 18:23.16 | nevcairiel | or it starts somewhere else |
| 18:23.20 | nevcairiel | didnt it start at the king |
| 18:23.21 | foxlit | Portal to panda works, but the quest state is awkward -- skyfire is up there in the sky, NPCs are like "what are you doing here, take this port back up to the skyfire!" and nobody around there wants to give me any quests. |
| 18:23.49 | foxlit | I think it was a stormwind zone-wide voices-in-the-head sort of thing. |
| 18:24.20 | nevcairiel | it had a bit of running about in stormwind first |
| 18:26.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Unkle (~mconvers@2620:0:b60:3:e88a:8623:ce7e:820f) |
| 18:28.10 | foxlit | nothing important happened in stormwind, so having all those things be breadcrumbs was a possibility |
| 18:28.18 | foxlit | Let's try the king, then. |
| 18:28.54 | foxlit | Anduin apparently doesn't care about recuing Anduin from Pandaria. |
| 18:30.22 | Thunder_Child | I assume because he does not want to create a causality loop. |
| 18:30.37 | foxlit | Found it; Rell Nightwind outside the keep. |
| 18:30.56 | nevcairiel | odd that you wouldnt have the breadcrumb for that guy from the board |
| 18:31.30 | foxlit | Maybe I did it earlier to make the voices shut up on that alt. Dunno. |
| 18:44.10 | Ironii | [20:15:50] [nevcairiel] the whole throwing thing is just super clunky with the button in a fixed position on the screen , just use a keybinding for it ? :D |
| 18:44.17 | Ironii | or mouseover macro |
| 18:44.41 | Ironii | i doubt you click your spells, how is ExtraActionButton any different? |
| 18:44.51 | *** join/#wowuidev ls- (~ls@180.183.0.93) |
| 18:51.51 | nevcairiel | the fact that you need to do that is still just clunky |
| 18:52.19 | nevcairiel | its such a rare key that most people would probably forget what their binding for it was =p |
| 18:52.37 | nevcairiel | having separate unit frames for throwing was pretty good, even if kinda ugly |
| 18:53.26 | kd3 | guh. the annoying thing about switching to a new phone is I need to buy a bunch of usb-c accessories for it now |
| 18:53.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Gethe_ (~Gethe@cpe-24-55-4-32.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 18:53.53 | Thunder_Child | The nice thing is that most everyone is going to be switching to that one. |
| 18:54.25 | Ironii | i guess, my keybinding for it has been the same since ultraxion |
| 18:55.02 | Rythal | The current quest (at least when I just did it now on DH) no longer has stormwind running around.. you talk to skyfire in stormwind, see cutscene, talk to same guy in jade forest |
| 18:55.24 | Ironii | via macro, changed it from /click ExtraActionButton1 to /target mouseover; /click ExtraActionButton1; /targetlasttarget on iskar beta |
| 18:55.30 | foxlit | skyfare in stormwind is phased |
| 18:55.34 | foxlit | s/a/i/ |
| 18:56.18 | Rythal | yeah grabbing kings command from the board unphases it |
| 18:56.55 | Rythal | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.51 | kullervo | pretty sure once you complete the quest to arrive in jade forest you can just abandon the followup quest and fuck off |
| 18:58.57 | Rythal | I know you said paladin.. but anyone else doing it DH, don't assume you can fly and jump off the skyfire :/ it's painful to discover pandaria flying was the only one you don't have lol |
| 18:59.52 | bshelden | If you manage to die to falling damage on a DH, you've missed an important detail... |
| 19:00.13 | Primer | hehe |
| 19:00.33 | Primer | He was not prepared |
| 19:00.37 | bshelden | Admittedly I managed to nearly do it once, since glide doesn't kick in when mounted. |
| 19:00.40 | Primer | Yes, that one's getting old... |
| 19:00.48 | kullervo | bshelden: I died to falling damage on my DH, because someone used dark whispers on me and that blocks the wings from working |
| 19:01.00 | Rythal | I was mounted.. I was transformed into nightwing and jumped off expecting to fly |
| 19:01.48 | kullervo | just make a /dismount /use glide bind |
| 19:01.52 | Primer | The mounted thing is rather annoying. I made a dismount macro. |
| 19:01.52 | bshelden | I've had glide semi bug out a time or two. Haven't pinned it down. Happaned in one of the scarlet instances. The third jump didn't kick it in, but clicking glide in the spellbook did. |
| 19:01.55 | Primer | that ^^^^^ |
| 19:02.01 | bshelden | I haven't been able to get a repro. |
| 19:02.15 | Primer | bshelden: it procs if you jump |
| 19:02.23 | Primer | so jumping again cancels it |
| 19:02.30 | Primer | perhaps that was it? |
| 19:02.53 | bshelden | Perhaps. Once in the state the symptom was simply that I couldn't get the wings to come out with the spacebar. Had to click the skill while airborne. |
| 19:03.12 | Primer | Surely you mean you hit the key you had bound to it |
| 19:03.34 | bshelden | I leave it happily on space. I don't have it on a keybind apart from that. |
| 19:04.25 | Primer | bshelden: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html |
| 19:04.57 | bshelden | At this point, I keep the double space just to annoy people (that and it's deeply ingrained muscle memory). |
| 19:05.02 | Primer | pet peeve |
| 19:05.29 | Ironii | tbh there should be a option to disable space key activating glide |
| 19:05.30 | bshelden | Was taught that way, and I feel no need to change. |
| 19:05.37 | Primer | Ironii: I agree |
| 19:05.49 | Ironii | it's annoying when you are used to spamming space while moving |
| 19:06.04 | Primer | bshelden: I don't agree that it's necessarily "wrong", but I do feel it's entirely unnecessary. |
| 19:06.06 | nevcairiel | get unused to it =p |
| 19:06.33 | nevcairiel | its even more annoying if you're just standing around and used to just jumping all the time for fun, and then you suddenly start moving forwards |
| 19:06.47 | Ironii | sure, spam space on 5/6 tanks and then try to time your jumps on the 6th |
| 19:07.19 | Ironii | i don't mind the double jump, but glide is going to get me killed |
| 19:07.37 | bshelden | I've pulled early a time or two that way >.> |
| 19:07.38 | Ironii | and most likely wipe the raid at the same time ;P |
| 19:07.43 | bshelden | I idly jump less now. |
| 19:07.52 | bshelden | iddly? idlely? |
| 19:07.56 | bshelden | None of those look right. |
| 19:08.36 | bshelden | Google likes idly. |
| 19:08.51 | Primer | I've been enjoying vengeance DH despite the lack of skills. |
| 19:09.08 | Primer | It's rather OP ATM, TBH. |
| 19:09.22 | nevcairiel | havoc is rather terrible tho, so squishy |
| 19:09.23 | Primer | abuses acronyms |
| 19:09.28 | Primer | yeah, it is |
| 19:09.30 | nevcairiel | vengeance is fun |
| 19:09.31 | Ironii | actually |
| 19:09.42 | bshelden | Aha! That article itself validates my use of double-spaces. I use mostly monospaced fonts. |
| 19:09.56 | nevcairiel | dont mono-spaced fonts make it even worse |
| 19:09.59 | bshelden | contently contrives things to suit his habits. |
| 19:10.28 | bshelden | The doublespace habit kicked in to help differentiate word breaks from strings of skinny characters. |
| 19:10.46 | Ironii | TheDanW any chance of getting a CVar or something to disable casting Glide on dh? and instead allow users to use a /cast !Glide macro |
| 19:10.59 | bshelden | Oh yes, Vengeance is seriously overpowered. They frontloaded our stats alright... |
| 19:11.22 | nevcairiel | dont think vengeance is that much too strong in a raid context right now |
| 19:11.28 | nevcairiel | its just pretty good at soloing things |
| 19:11.40 | Ironii | disable casting glide with space key on dh* |
| 19:11.53 | Ironii | ...jump key* |
| 19:11.54 | Ironii | writing is hard. |
| 19:12.17 | nevcairiel | that sounds more like a fundamental design decision and not something the UI guys can just sneak in :D |
| 19:13.34 | Ironii | im sure he can sneak one CVar and one if statement in while everyone else is afking ;) |
| 19:13.37 | Primer | I've been doing pvp as vengeance and I can easily 1v2 people, ending the fight at full HP |
| 19:14.01 | nevcairiel | meh pvp :D |
| 19:14.25 | Primer | I don't get people who don't like pvp. It's so much fun! |
| 19:14.33 | nevcairiel | i hope they can find some decent place for tanks in pvp |
| 19:14.44 | Primer | You have an opponent that thinks, and reacts according to what you do. |
| 19:14.49 | nevcairiel | bear tank has some itneresting pvp talents for soaking up damage from the team |
| 19:15.07 | Primer | Me too. I'm hoping DH vengeance will become the standard that bears were back in panda for RBGs. |
| 19:15.17 | Constie | If I wanted an opponent that thinks and reacts according to what I do I'd fight people IRL. |
| 19:15.23 | Primer | DH has good mobility. |
| 19:15.26 | bshelden | I've loathed pvp since I quit back in cata. When I came back for mop I was the first of my group of friends, and I simply transfered to a PvE realm. |
| 19:15.31 | bshelden | has never been happier with the game |
| 19:15.45 | Primer | I actually _like_ world pvp. |
| 19:15.50 | bshelden | I will give it a shot in Legion though. The new system intrigues me. |
| 19:16.09 | nevcairiel | I usually just get annoyed because most pvpers just play the FOTM classes and stomp by long-standing class choices :p |
| 19:16.11 | bshelden | World PvP to me has always simply meant ganking. Never a fair fight. For those, look to instanced PvP. |
| 19:16.18 | bshelden | And there's nothing fun on either end (for me) about ganking. |
| 19:16.20 | nevcairiel | although maybe the new gear scaling in legion might make it more enjoyable |
| 19:16.20 | TheDanW | Ironii: wouldn't count on it |
| 19:16.21 | Constie | I actually enjoy BGs, sometimes. When it's not just zerging or turtling from start to finish. |
| 19:16.23 | bshelden | Either I go splat, or they do. So what? |
| 19:16.41 | nevcairiel | in the beta, i enjoyed some of the world pvp areas |
| 19:16.48 | nevcairiel | we'll see how it is on live |
| 19:17.08 | bshelden | But yeah, the new PvP system for Legion has me interested. I'll run a few bgs and make a new opinion. |
| 19:18.11 | bshelden | Also some of the PvP arti appearances are sexy as hell. |
| 19:18.21 | Ironii | i blame you on every wipe i cause with accidentally gliding and letting mobs hit my back. |
| 19:18.22 | Ironii | x) |
| 19:18.27 | nevcairiel | indeed, some of the pvp ones are pretty good |
| 19:18.32 | nevcairiel | but unlocking them seems steep |
| 19:18.39 | Constie | Oh, I wasn't aware of PvP changes. They do look interesting. |
| 19:18.51 | bshelden | I only consider the first ones accessible to me. I'll prestige once at most. |
| 19:19.09 | bshelden | I don't intend to ever make it my main focus, but I could see myself playing as a diversion. |
| 19:19.22 | nevcairiel | i totally like the crayon-style bear from the pve ones though, even if most people will probably hate it =p |
| 19:19.36 | bshelden | I have mixed feelings on the druid ones. |
| 19:19.37 | Primer | I've always pondered getting serious about pvp at the start of expansion but invariably I end up raiding. |
| 19:19.49 | bshelden | I'll go with it's positive overall if only for the fact that I can bloddy well see I have gear. |
| 19:19.58 | Primer | I've always been partial to RBGs though. Almost made 2100 once. |
| 19:20.02 | Ironii | nevcairiel did you have experience with SecureStateDrivers/Handlers? |
| 19:20.04 | bshelden | I'm in a tight guild. Mythic+ is my endgame. |
| 19:20.16 | nevcairiel | Ironii: sure |
| 19:20.28 | bshelden | 'tight'? All the words in english and I come up with 'tight'? |
| 19:20.32 | bshelden | Small, tight-knit. |
| 19:20.33 | Primer | Because arena is almost like fighting a script. Wait til they pop cds, then you counter, counter-counter, etc. |
| 19:20.44 | Primer | RBGs require more strategy |
| 19:20.45 | Primer | IMO |
| 19:20.48 | nevcairiel | unfortunately the pvp form i like the most is for prestige 15 |
| 19:20.57 | nevcairiel | long term goal, i suppose |
| 19:20.58 | nevcairiel | *13 |
| 19:21.02 | nevcairiel | the last one, anyway! |
| 19:21.22 | Ironii | do i need to unregister old state drivers before registering new? |
| 19:21.27 | Ironii | if i want to update it |
| 19:23.01 | nevcairiel | i dont think so, it should overwrite the old one |
| 19:23.10 | nevcairiel | if its for the same attribute |
| 19:25.54 | bshelden | I'll throw you one bone, Primer. Teaching two spaces at this point is silly. |
| 19:26.05 | bshelden | I'm probably stuck with mine, but I don't have to pass that mind virus on. |
| 19:27.37 | Ironii | and if i want to create a function (in this case, for getting UF positions), it's simple as :SetAttribute('_getufpos', 'stuff return more stuff') and then using local pos = self:Run('_getufpos', arg1, arg2) ? |
| 19:27.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Andols (~yaaic@195-252-56-181-no191.business.telia.com) |
| 19:28.47 | nevcairiel | why do you need a secure function to get the positions |
| 19:31.47 | Ironii | is there a way to call normal functions inside the secure code? |
| 19:31.56 | maunot | :CallMethod |
| 19:32.06 | nevcairiel | cant get data from that though |
| 19:32.20 | maunot | yep :p! |
| 19:32.49 | relaxok | Primer: i've always preferred battlegrounds to arena - maybe because i suck at arena |
| 19:32.50 | Ironii | it's not really useful then ;P |
| 19:33.37 | relaxok | Primer: i must not have the pvp gene.. i played like 4 characters to Conqueror (exalged wsg/av/ab) but was never over 1850 or so in an arena team |
| 19:33.42 | relaxok | exalted* |
| 19:33.48 | Ironii | the info i need is x&y positions for frame |
| 19:34.21 | nevcairiel | you should probably mention when oyu are calling things :) for executing code from within the restricted env there is various functions, Run and RunFor directly take the body of a functio as argument, RunAttribute reads the body from an attribute, so thats probably what you want |
| 19:36.03 | Ironii | mhh, actually i think it might be easiest to just build a table containing the x,y values for possible frame positions |
| 19:36.13 | Ironii | there isn't that many and they can only change out of combat |
| 19:37.35 | Ironii | buuut, how can i create a table for the header :D |
| 19:37.45 | Ironii | just create random attribute containing the table? |
| 19:38.23 | Ironii | if my goal is to create a secure table with the values for the header |
| 19:38.33 | Ironii | that i can update out of combat |
| 19:39.54 | nevcairiel | http://pastebin.com/exXNAp7w thats what I do to build tables into the secure env |
| 19:40.07 | nevcairiel | ie. generate the table as text and load it with :Execute |
| 19:40.20 | nevcairiel | can also generate it in a loop or something with your values |
| 19:40.26 | Primer | relaxok: I just can't get into arena. For some reason it doesn't appeal to me. |
| 19:40.36 | Primer | RBGs, on the other hand, I find to be very fun. |
| 19:40.50 | foxlit | You know what would be nice? Wirtable REnv proxies. |
| 19:40.58 | foxlit | Also being able to pass tables between restricted environments. |
| 19:41.07 | nevcairiel | i did arena like back in BC, up to gladiator even, but havent really been into it since then |
| 19:41.27 | nevcairiel | RBG can be enjoyable, but requires more time investment in a fixed group then I ever managed to do |
| 19:42.55 | nevcairiel | now that i see the paste, those spell ids are probably invalid since 7.0 :p |
| 19:43.19 | Primer | Yeah, I had a dedicated group when I got 2k. It's almost like raiding, except...more stressful :) |
| 19:43.52 | nevcairiel | my primary focus is pve, so with mythic+ on top of raiding now, the occasionally pvp will be even rarer |
| 19:44.03 | Ironii | nevcairiel but i still need to do that inside SetAttirbute(), right? |
| 19:44.21 | Primer | I need to find a pvp IRC channel |
| 19:44.26 | Primer | or slack or whatever |
| 19:44.35 | Ironii | i think quakenet has one |
| 19:44.38 | nevcairiel | Ironii: no, just call header:Execute([[ myNewTable = newtable(); myNewTable[1] = "foo"; ]]) |
| 19:44.38 | Ironii | atleast it used to have |
| 19:45.29 | Ironii | thanks :P |
| 19:46.01 | Ironii | the more i try to do with secure env the more i feel like i have no idea wtf im doing |
| 19:46.10 | nevcairiel | its really quite complex at times |
| 19:46.15 | nevcairiel | i hope you have iriels guide pdf |
| 19:46.32 | Ironii | i do, but it's still hard! :D |
| 19:47.12 | Thunder_Child | Reading those last few lines with a gutter mind is...disturbing. |
| 19:48.35 | Ironii | i figured out the basics with it and managed to create click-to-cast stuff etc, but making the unitframes dynamic seems to be a bit harder |
| 19:49.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Shockah_ (~Shockah@atu82.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 19:53.17 | _Kee | if I resize frame vertically, it's centred vertically (independend of anchor point and relativePoint). Is is possible to align it to left after resize instead of to centre? |
| 19:57.37 | maunot | http://hastebin.com/inirigunup.lua that's my REnv loading setup thingy ... not perfect but, meh :p |
| 19:58.42 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.46 | foxlit | pretty objectively terrible. |
| 20:01.35 | Ironii | hah, took almost a 1min to figure out that i didn't manage to break anything, i just don't have "Always show nameplates" on with my alt... |
| 20:02.51 | _Kee | managing GUI is a pain⦠|
| 20:05.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Unkle1 (~mconvers@2620:0:b60:3:e88a:8623:ce7e:820f) |
| 20:13.48 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO^^ (A-KO@2601:143:4201:b940:78db:f8dd:a392:60a8) |
| 20:24.30 | Ironii | RunSnippet("snippetId"), snippetID = attribute id ? |
| 20:25.20 | nebula | Ironii: the fact that's off by default is annoying |
| 20:25.56 | Ironii | mhhh, the glide thing? |
| 20:26.37 | _Kee | ok⦠calling :ClearAllPoints() before :SetPoint() made the trick. |
| 20:26.54 | Ironii | yea you should always do that :) |
| 20:27.24 | nevcairiel | Ironii: show all plates, not gilde |
| 20:28.04 | Ironii | atleast it should be account wide option |
| 20:28.18 | Ironii | well, ~every interface option should be account wide ;P |
| 20:28.21 | nevcairiel | i should probably just put that into my NevMod so i dont forget and get annoyed |
| 20:28.38 | Ironii | sounds like an awesome addon |
| 20:28.40 | Ironii | share it! |
| 20:28.58 | nevcairiel | its on github =P |
| 20:29.22 | nevcairiel | https://github.com/Nevcairiel/NevMod |
| 20:30.34 | Ironii | german raid icons? |
| 20:30.36 | Ironii | wtf are those |
| 20:30.45 | Primer | swastikas |
| 20:30.56 | Primer | and iron crosses |
| 20:30.57 | Ironii | x) |
| 20:31.10 | nevcairiel | it translates the german raid icon strings so i see them! |
| 20:31.23 | Primer | <disclaimer> I'm of German heritage, so I can say shit like that |
| 20:31.39 | Primer | </disclaimer> |
| 20:31.40 | nevcairiel | {totenschädel} -> {rt8} :p |
| 20:31.41 | nebula | those are locale dependent, eh? awkward |
| 20:31.45 | nevcairiel | the long forms are |
| 20:31.46 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 20:31.50 | Ironii | O.o |
| 20:31.58 | Ironii | well that's just weird |
| 20:32.02 | Primer | ja |
| 20:32.05 | nevcairiel | and since i'm on a germn server, people use them |
| 20:32.32 | Ironii | sure, who wouldn't want to smash their head in to the keyboard instead of writing {rt1} |
| 20:32.41 | nevcairiel | no clue |
| 20:32.43 | nevcairiel | maybe its addons |
| 20:32.56 | nevcairiel | or the GUI has an option to insert it? |
| 20:32.59 | nebula | {pääkallo} |
| 20:33.05 | _Kee | {heil} |
| 20:33.20 | Ironii | i so wanna write {pääkallo} and {nänni} instead of using rtX! |
| 20:33.36 | nevcairiel | whats a pääkallo |
| 20:33.41 | nebula | skull |
| 20:33.59 | Ironii | weird word if you think about it |
| 20:34.40 | Ironii | pää = head, kallo = skull |
| 20:35.35 | nebula | way better than just kallo! |
| 20:36.43 | Ironii | atleast in finnish you can't mistake skull for a foot skull! |
| 20:37.19 | *** join/#wowuidev LexSfX (LexSfX@216-71-194-85.dyn.novuscom.net) |
| 20:37.28 | Stanzilla | öäöü |
| 20:37.45 | nebula | in english the skull and cross bones is called death's head, so it makes sense |
| 20:37.47 | maunot | å |
| 20:37.58 | nebula | well, can be called |
| 20:38.14 | Stanzilla | is it me or Ironii with the broken unicode |
| 20:38.34 | nevcairiel | i saw all the chars here properly |
| 20:38.38 | nebula | yea |
| 20:38.39 | Ironii | same |
| 20:38.53 | Ironii | äöå |
| 20:38.56 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/zw9QfsS.png |
| 20:38.58 | Stanzilla | damnit |
| 20:39.18 | End | hmm, maybe your font just doesn't have that character? |
| 20:39.24 | Ironii | but it does |
| 20:39.31 | Ironii | nevcairiel used the same char ;P |
| 20:39.47 | End | oh |
| 20:39.48 | End | that's weird |
| 20:39.58 | foxlit | Some clients are probably smart enough to fix your broken encoding, while others just barf at it. |
| 20:40.15 | Ironii | that may be true |
| 20:40.22 | Ironii | i am using a bit old client :D |
| 20:40.24 | nevcairiel | i typed the chars on my keyboard though, i didnt copy paste it |
| 20:40.29 | nevcairiel | sicne they looked like normal ää |
| 20:41.07 | Ironii | Release Date: 2008-10-28. |
| 20:41.09 | Ironii | almost new! |
| 20:41.47 | _Kee | {skull}s reminds me my old macros, like this little one: http://pastebin.com/UXihSaKk |
| 20:44.10 | Ironii | mhh,shouldn't something like this work: iTF.mainFrame:SetAttribute('_itfupdate', [[print('test')]]); iTF.mainFrame:SetAttribute('_onstate-itf1', [[self:RunSnippet('_itfupdate')]]) ? |
| 20:44.34 | Ironii | im just getting an error "attempt to call method 'RunSnippet' (a nil value)" |
| 20:45.32 | maunot | RunAttribute |
| 20:47.09 | Ironii | ah thanks :P |
| 20:47.14 | Ironii | atleast now im getting a different error |
| 20:47.15 | Ironii | progress! :D |
| 20:47.55 | alestane | Something NEW is breaking! YAY! |
| 20:48.57 | _Kee | â |
| 20:49.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Seerah (~RyanNL@104-180-66-29.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net) |
| 20:49.08 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 20:50.36 | Thunder_Child | Needs more excitement alestane. |
| 20:53.09 | VIad | I wonder if we'll be able to make frames transparent when people are outside of 40yd (healer) range |
| 20:53.13 | VIad | in 7.1 |
| 20:54.53 | nebula | VIad: sure, UnitInRange probably still works |
| 20:54.57 | End | doesn't that use the api to check if a spell is castable? |
| 20:55.09 | End | or that |
| 20:55.26 | nebula | and i imagine IsSpellInRange or whatever would work, too |
| 20:55.32 | VIad | hmm |
| 20:55.41 | VIad | hopefully we start slowly by changing some few things |
| 20:55.44 | VIad | not drastic leaps :p |
| 21:01.55 | _Kee | :SetBackdropColor(0, 0, 0, 0); actually makes frame invisible]]; :SetBackdropColor(1, 0, 0, .1); -- will make the frame transparent red, it's actually RGBA with first three agruments being RBG values and last attribute being opacity value. |
| 21:02.08 | _Kee | connected with IsSpellInRange, you can actually achieve it in 7.0 |
| 21:04.00 | _Kee | â |
| 21:13.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Unkle (~mconvers@2620:0:b60:4:69c3:b4bd:e661:ed2b) |
| 21:22.21 | znf | Nova vs. Chromie is bullshit in hots |
| 21:22.58 | foxlit | I'm assuming Chromie wins? |
| 21:24.59 | znf | never |
| 21:25.08 | znf | chromie attacks too slowly |
| 21:25.57 | foxlit | no timey wimey stuff to reset health after nova expends cooldowns? |
| 21:26.06 | nebula | znf: need better trap |
| 21:26.25 | Stanzilla | this is a l2p issue |
| 21:26.35 | znf | Trap works once :D |
| 21:26.40 | nebula | then you kill her. |
| 21:27.03 | znf | You can't kill nova in 2 spells |
| 21:27.12 | Stanzilla | yes you can |
| 21:27.16 | nebula | pretty close |
| 21:27.18 | Stanzilla | those 2 have to hit though |
| 21:27.40 | nebula | 2 spells and autos should be enough |
| 21:27.49 | Stanzilla | 2x Q 1x W |
| 21:27.52 | znf | Meanwhile she can triple tap |
| 21:28.00 | nebula | bai bai |
| 21:28.05 | Stanzilla | gg |
| 21:28.53 | nebula | the fuck, hotslogs hating on adblock |
| 21:28.57 | nebula | go fuck yourself |
| 21:31.39 | Stanzilla | damn haters |
| 21:32.04 | Stanzilla | nebula: I played my TL placements last week to get the season rewards |
| 21:32.05 | Stanzilla | oh boy |
| 21:35.38 | nebula | lol |
| 21:36.45 | kullervo | nebula: you need anti-antiadblock filters |
| 21:37.03 | nebula | yea, added them |
| 21:37.43 | kullervo | I had to make some very interesting filters for some sites |
| 21:38.32 | foxlit | ooor you could just null-route the offending sites themselves <3 |
| 21:39.26 | kullervo | you can't null-route parts of the site's html |
| 21:40.03 | foxlit | I'm suggesting you should stop visiting those sites altogether. |
| 21:40.23 | _Kee | foxlit +1 |
| 21:41.06 | *** join/#wowuidev chaud (~chaud@2602:30a:2ef2:3290:9df7:796b:485d:252d) |
| 21:47.00 | znf | I never understood the death timer in hots |
| 21:47.07 | znf | we killed each other |
| 21:47.08 | znf | we are the same level |
| 21:47.15 | znf | yet, the other guy gets 24s while I got 29s |
| 21:48.41 | Stanzilla | which hero was he |
| 21:49.13 | Stanzilla | nebula: it was like watching paralympics with the fear of tilt every minute |
| 21:49.17 | Stanzilla | went 5:5 though |
| 21:49.19 | Stanzilla | so was ok |
| 21:49.23 | znf | sylvanas |
| 21:49.28 | nebula | placements don't really mean shit |
| 21:50.15 | Stanzilla | yeah well I only needed to do them to get some rank |
| 21:50.20 | Stanzilla | in TL the mount is already at bronze |
| 21:57.48 | foxlit | znf: maybe some sort of spawn coalescing logic that functions on a per-team basis |
| 22:01.16 | znf | look Gnarfoz http://imgur.com/jQPmsaZ |
| 22:01.40 | *** join/#wowuidev ycarene (~jporterf@174-126-166-184.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 22:05.32 | mfgmfg2 | augh, something keeps closing my UI frames every 3-5 seconds |
| 22:05.59 | LexSfX | grepwin your addons folder for "CloseAllWindows" |
| 22:06.44 | mfgmfg2 | Searching 4408 files for "CloseAllWindows" 0 matches |
| 22:06.53 | LexSfX | oh |
| 22:07.04 | LexSfX | try typing /eventtrace and see what event is happening |
| 22:07.05 | mfgmfg2 | seems to have stopped though. dunno |
| 22:07.13 | LexSfX | then search for any addon that registers that event |
| 22:07.14 | LexSfX | okay |
| 22:07.40 | LexSfX | or it might be a hooksecurefunc or HookScript |
| 22:07.59 | LexSfX | or even a SetScript("OnUpdate" with a time delta, but that would be the most ridiculous |
| 22:08.09 | p3lim | maybe you spilled juice on your escape key |
| 22:08.21 | LexSfX | could be that too |
| 22:08.25 | mfgmfg2 | p3lim, it was happening even when wow didn't have focus |
| 22:08.40 | p3lim | maybe you spilled juice on your alt, tab and escape keys |
| 22:08.45 | mfgmfg2 | i do need to replace this keyboard though |
| 22:08.46 | LexSfX | rofl |
| 22:08.52 | mfgmfg2 | p3lim, that's probable. |
| 22:09.00 | mfgmfg2 | you have a curious word for 'juice' though |
| 22:09.42 | p3lim | I like juice, so what? |
| 22:10.27 | *** join/#wowuidev ikcerog (~ikcerog@12.165.188.173) |
| 22:11.57 | Ironii | mfgmfg2 in my experience some quests are doing that |
| 22:12.25 | Ironii | daily/weekly quests that are triggering QUEST_UPDATE or something like that for no good reason |
| 22:12.39 | Ironii | and that closed every window |
| 22:12.44 | Ironii | why? no idea. |
| 22:29.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Tomaz (~tompsson@h-236-221.a199.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 22:59.54 | *** join/#wowuidev mckenziemc (~Mark@2602:306:8339:1a20:bc9d:f07:9d95:9954) |
| 23:17.14 | *** join/#wowuidev MaxFrost (~MaxFrost@c-174-53-177-161.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 23:29.22 | Ironii | is there an easy way to make EasyMenu scrollable? |
| 23:33.01 | Kinesia | No, you need HardMenu for that. |
| 23:37.11 | LexSfX | nevcairiel: any workaround for http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53885 yet? my addon categories are so corrupt |
| 23:37.49 | LexSfX | my bind categories, i mind |
| 23:37.51 | LexSfX | mean* |
| 23:38.07 | LexSfX | ack, the brainos |
| 23:41.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (Ressy@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Ressy) |
| 23:45.59 | Gnarfoz | hm, I used to be able to /click TradeSkillCreateButton or so |
| 23:46.17 | Gnarfoz | anyone know what that is now, if it's still possible? /click TradeSkillFrame.DetailsFrame.CreateButton doesn't work |
| 23:48.13 | LexSfX | Gnarfoz: you can check easily with /framestack |
| 23:48.23 | LexSfX | then mouse over the button and that'll tell you the global name |
| 23:48.27 | Gnarfoz | that's where I have the name from. |
| 23:48.59 | LexSfX | try /run TradeSkillCreateButton:Click() |
| 23:49.26 | Gnarfoz | TradeSkillCreateButton doesn't exist anymore. |
| 23:49.30 | LexSfX | oh |
| 23:49.37 | LexSfX | so what's the name? |
| 23:49.43 | LexSfX | you did /framestack just now to see it? |
| 23:49.48 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 23:49.52 | Gnarfoz | I included it in my question |
| 23:50.30 | LexSfX | okay then, /run TradeSkillFrame.DetailsFrame.CreateButton:Click() |
| 23:50.44 | Gnarfoz | yeah, typoing my way through that right now ^^ |
| 23:51.01 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 23:51.03 | Gnarfoz | ty |
| 23:51.05 | LexSfX | yw |
| 23:51.11 | LexSfX | sorry for the confusion |
| 23:51.19 | Gnarfoz | if it's a button... why can't I /click it, though? |
| 23:51.24 | Gnarfoz | or is that only for SABs |
| 23:52.11 | LexSfX | maybe it has to be a direct child of the global table oslt (not my specialty) |
| 23:52.51 | LexSfX | i just use /run anyway, since lua tends to make more sense than macro slash commands |
| 23:53.05 | LexSfX | to me, anyway |
| 23:53.26 | Gnarfoz | in this case it doesn't matter, since I'm not about to craft 200 enchanting vellums in combat |
| 23:53.27 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:55.34 | *** join/#wowuidev ikcerog (~ikcerog@2601:40f:c101:85e0:6139:e589:c8df:b7f3) |
| 23:55.42 | Tentacled | Wuss. |
| 23:56.01 | Tentacled | I knew you'd chicken. |
| 23:57.11 | Gnarfoz | at least I've got chicken |
| 23:57.48 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Gnarfoz |
| 23:57.48 | purl | turns Gnarfoz into a lifesized tux doll |
