| 00:00.21 | ccox | (just bumped me offline) |
| 00:02.48 | Semlar | Guill: do you know what "uiOrder" is based on from C_TransmogCollection.GetCategoryAppearances |
| 00:03.49 | ccox | guess the 4chan kids got out of summer school at 4pm PST :-) |
| 00:04.29 | kd3 | a script kiddie must've gotten hit in the OW banwave |
| 00:04.32 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/BankFrame.xml#256 << I wonder if the client just ignores virtual if you use it that way. |
| 00:04.52 | Guill | Semlar: Whatever the designer decided to type in the edit box |
| 00:05.44 | Rythal | meh.. AJ did "claim" last weeks ddos was just testing, so maybe they are doing more testing.. |
| 00:05.45 | Semlar | any idea how i might filter these roughly by expansion without having to cache every item |
| 00:06.37 | Semlar | i thought maybe the source ID or uiOrder might be something i could split into ranges |
| 00:06.40 | Guill | Semlar: I'm not sure there really is a "by expansion". I guess you mean the first expansion an appearance was used in? Unfortunately, probably not a way to do that without including extra data with your AddOn |
| 00:06.55 | Guill | Semlar: Is it ordered by expansion in the UI? |
| 00:07.07 | Semlar | it's sort of ordered by level as far as i can tell |
| 00:07.21 | Semlar | which could work |
| 00:08.29 | Semlar | well, hard to tell at the moment since i can't log in |
| 00:09.08 | Rythal | visualize it... imagine it... nothing is impossible |
| 00:09.24 | Semlar | at zombocom |
| 00:11.21 | Guill | Semlar: Sounds like by default the order ID is roughly the order in which the appearances were created. You could probably just find and hard-code the first appearance from each expansion or something. |
| 00:12.35 | Semlar | i'll try that |
| 00:13.08 | ccox | I think a LOT of script kiddies were hurt in the OW banwave (yay Blizzard!) |
| 00:13.25 | Gnarfoz | it's just lizardsquad |
| 00:13.28 | Rythal | I wish Niantic would do a banwave :/ |
| 00:13.37 | mfgmfg | while sitting on retrieving realm list, this hit my eye: http://i.imgur.com/XHlMXs7.png - is it just me or is the kerning a bit off in '2004' ? |
| 00:13.54 | ccox | you can tell the expansion from the item number â since blizzard doesnât seem to reuse lower numbers. |
| 00:14.22 | kd3 | not necessarily - some items get added to the db in one expansion, but are finally enabled (or not) in another |
| 00:14.24 | Semlar | it doesn't work |
| 00:15.01 | ccox | armor and weapons seem to be pretty good about increasing the numeric range with each expansion |
| 00:15.02 | Semlar | something like http://www.wowhead.com/item=88299 has a way higher ilevel than things that dropped in BC |
| 00:15.09 | Guill | Semlar: The programmer I asked said that he may be able to get the expansion information exposed in a future patch. No promises though. |
| 00:15.14 | Semlar | i mean itemID |
| 00:15.33 | Semlar | :O |
| 00:15.50 | ccox | because manyu of those were added in later expansions, when the dungeon was updated |
| 00:15.58 | Rythal | depends on the table.. and whats being worked on.. like zone ID's.. hellfire citadel is 1026, while legions ID's start at 1014. |
| 00:16.08 | Guill | Yeah, that item was actually added later with the SM revamp |
| 00:16.18 | Semlar | yeah, they were added in MoP, but i don't consider that an MoP item |
| 00:16.47 | Semlar | that's where it gets tricky |
| 00:16.48 | ccox | you may not, but the item didntâ appear until MoP |
| 00:16.58 | Semlar | well it existed before MoP |
| 00:17.26 | Semlar | because it was in the old scarlet monastery |
| 00:17.51 | ccox | so that is the right expansion, even if you can get ithe item while levelling before pandaria |
| 00:18.07 | foxlit | that was http://www.wowhead.com/item=7720/whitemanes-chapeau |
| 00:18.16 | ccox | A slightly different item existed in classic, with a different item number |
| 00:18.24 | ccox | and foxlit got to it before I could |
| 00:18.32 | Semlar | yes but that distinction is meaningless for transmog purposes |
| 00:19.01 | Semlar | MoP didn't introduce this appearance |
| 00:19.07 | ccox | true |
| 00:19.18 | foxlit | Well, go-go-gadget-hardcoded-list-of-expansions-for-like-50k-things. |
| 00:19.20 | Rythal | bah, transmog... no one needs to transmog anyways.. default armor looks fine. |
| 00:19.29 | ccox | appearances are much harder to classifiy than specific items |
| 00:19.55 | mfgmfg | or assume expansion is item IDs X through Y and add some exceptions, if there aren't too many |
| 00:21.29 | foxlit | (already ship a hardcoded list of 32k things, life's terrible) |
| 00:21.41 | Semlar | gently pats foxlit |
| 00:22.45 | mfgmfg | Semlar, maybe forget about doing it by expansion and do it by level requirement? |
| 00:23.11 | Semlar | i can't get the level of an item without caching it and that would be really difficult for this |
| 00:23.26 | Torhal | Don't break the cache, Semlar. |
| 00:23.57 | foxlit | (doubling the size of that list added like 18kb to zipped addon size. TERRIBLE.) |
| 00:24.05 | ccox | Maybe time to ask Blizzard for an API for appearances ? |
| 00:24.28 | Torhal | It exists. It causes madness. |
| 00:25.26 | Rythal | Yog like madness? |
| 00:25.49 | Torhal | It basically turns you into fucking Deathwing. |
| 00:25.59 | mfgmfg | weird. i clicked the artifact forge, then did a /reload and it popped the artifact UI immediately after |
| 00:26.17 | foxlit | server says "open artifact npc!" |
| 00:26.28 | ccox | Rythal: you used the wrong punctuation there: âYog like madness!â âmadness is Yog friend!â |
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| 01:02.27 | LexSfX | ccox: http://mightandmagic.wikia.com/wiki/Yog |
| 01:03.00 | LexSfX | http://mightandmagic.wikia.com/wiki/Yog_(Enroth) |
| 01:17.40 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info24111-1.0.html wtf ketho |
| 01:18.13 | Ketho | funny hearing that from you |
| 01:18.22 | Semlar | i don't upload things! |
| 01:18.31 | Torhal | Lies |
| 01:18.45 | LexSfX | am i crazy or is that a copy of FasterCamera? |
| 01:18.50 | Ketho | it is |
| 01:18.57 | LexSfX | what's different about it? |
| 01:19.10 | Semlar | uh |
| 01:19.28 | Semlar | the fact that it's using a broken api function to let you zoom to any distance |
| 01:19.52 | Torhal | zooms to Semlar's 1st birthday and shouts "SHIP IT!" |
| 01:20.10 | LexSfX | so FasterCamera currently doesn't work? |
| 01:20.32 | LexSfX | (excuse my ignorance; i haven't had a subscription in a while) |
| 01:20.49 | Semlar | no |
| 01:20.59 | LexSfX | oh, so FasterCamera works |
| 01:21.12 | Semlar | no? |
| 01:21.15 | Xuerian | And this is why we can't have nice things |
| 01:21.28 | mfgmfg | someone let the cat out of the bag :( |
| 01:22.46 | mfgmfg | LexSfX, did fastercamera use moveviewinstart? |
| 01:23.19 | LexSfX | mfgmfg: just checked, and looks like no |
| 01:28.35 | Mr_Rabies | they really just need to make the new max distance at least 50% more of what it currently is and everyone would shut up |
| 01:29.43 | mfgmfg | does blizzard care about misspellings in their framexml code? |
| 01:29.56 | LexSfX | Mr_Rabies: i agree |
| 01:30.07 | mfgmfg | function ArtifactUIMixin:EvaulateForgeState() |
| 01:30.46 | foxlit | for illustrative purposes, please imagine the following flow chart |
| 01:30.58 | foxlit | [does it work?] ---> no ---> "we'll fix it in a future patch" |
| 01:31.05 | TheDanW | mfgmfg: virtually unplayable |
| 01:31.07 | foxlit | | yes |
| 01:31.12 | foxlit | |-> don't fuck with it. |
| 01:31.23 | mfgmfg | well he broke your flow chart |
| 01:31.28 | Semlar | typical |
| 01:31.34 | mfgmfg | but i expected that would be the answer |
| 01:31.54 | mfgmfg | i was ctrl+fing eval and wondering why i wasn't getting a hit |
| 01:32.10 | TheDanW | Infus: i think the cursor change events are messed up because we switched compilers for 7.0 :( i'll look into it more tomorrow, but should be an easy fix |
| 01:32.34 | Semlar | shh guys stop talking about the secret camera hacks |
| 01:32.37 | Stanzilla | TheDanW: what are you using now? |
| 01:32.53 | mfgmfg | everyone start spamming the scrollback so he doesn't see |
| 01:32.55 | TheDanW | msvc2013 for windows |
| 01:33.05 | Stanzilla | dare I ask what you used before? |
| 01:33.10 | Stanzilla | msvc2008= |
| 01:33.19 | TheDanW | i already fixed the camera stuff awhile ago, you guys just forced me to move it into a hotfix ;p |
| 01:33.24 | TheDanW | 2010 |
| 01:33.28 | Stanzilla | ah |
| 01:35.02 | Mr_Rabies | my brain autocorrected msvc to marvel vs capcom somehow |
| 01:35.02 | Ssateneth | ping |
| 01:35.38 | LexSfX | my brain would autocorrect mvsc to microsoft visual c |
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| 01:36.27 | Stanzilla | that would be correct |
| 01:36.54 | LexSfX | it would not ("mvsc", not "msvc") |
| 01:37.57 | Stanzilla | now you tricked *my* brain |
| 01:38.51 | LexSfX | anyone feel like implementing localization in my addon for me!? ;D |
| 01:39.03 | LexSfX | russians want to use it, but it works for english clients only |
| 01:39.38 | foxlit | that's internationalization :P |
| 01:39.47 | LexSfX | ok, fair enough |
| 01:40.09 | LexSfX | anyone feel like implementing internationalization in my addon for me!? ;D |
| 01:40.59 | foxlit | there may be side effects. |
| 01:41.24 | LexSfX | yeah, i'm sure there would be. the addon reads item tooltips to determine various things about the item: https://wow.curseforge.com/addons/autogear/ |
| 01:42.07 | LexSfX | i have no idea how to even approach this problem, considering how deeply it relies on how English tooltips are written |
| 01:42.31 | LexSfX | and i have no idea how the same tooltips are written in other languages |
| 01:42.33 | Semlar | only support english clients, problem solved |
| 01:42.43 | LexSfX | Semlar: yes, that's my current solution :P |
| 01:42.44 | Xuerian | Most of them are usually the same if you can reverse the global strings. |
| 01:43.01 | Xuerian | Except russian, in my experience they have the most variance... |
| 01:43.15 | Stanzilla | Semlar: go make slider better instead! |
| 01:43.28 | Semlar | "is item level greater than my item level? need on item" |
| 01:44.47 | LexSfX | item level isn't even considered |
| 01:44.51 | foxlit | on a scale of 1 to terrible, this is somewhere like 38. |
| 01:44.52 | mckenziemc | publish your addon with a modification-friendly license and tell them to fork it :p |
| 01:45.53 | foxlit | http://wow.gamepedia.com/API_GetItemStats is kind of a thing |
| 01:47.01 | LexSfX | GetItemStats does not give adequate information |
| 01:47.59 | LexSfX | or did not at the time autogear was written |
| 01:48.03 | LexSfX | not sure if it was improved |
| 01:49.03 | foxlit | the cheap version would be to just dump all your matching patterns into localization strings and allow people to override them based on locale. |
| 01:49.39 | LexSfX | hmm, true |
| 01:50.07 | LexSfX | and save them in the savedvars DB |
| 01:52.00 | LexSfX | for now, i should probably detect client language. is there a toc file entry for that? |
| 01:52.19 | LexSfX | to basically say "this addon works for these client languages: English" |
| 01:52.29 | foxlit | no. |
| 01:52.52 | LexSfX | ok |
| 01:52.58 | Gnarfoz | GetLocale() |
| 01:53.24 | LexSfX | Gnarfoz: thank you! :) |
| 01:54.35 | mfgmfg | you could do ## Notes-<locale>: Sorry this addon is english only ? -- but i wonder if some sites depend on the note being present to determine if it's been localized for that locale? |
| 01:54.57 | Gnarfoz | as if people would look at any of that |
| 01:54.58 | Gnarfoz | :D |
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| 02:22.17 | Primer | So this anniversary update...I wonder if it'll fix the weird quirks I have with windows 10 |
| 02:22.27 | Thunder_Child | Like BSOD's? |
| 02:22.35 | Primer | never that |
| 02:22.43 | Thunder_Child | I have had them. |
| 02:22.44 | Primer | but I get buzzing audio |
| 02:23.05 | Gnarfoz | check for bees |
| 02:23.41 | Thunder_Child | I get buzzing audio but only when my machine is off, so I suspect it is not windows 10. |
| 02:23.59 | Primer | Then there's the "you can't use nircmd poweroff" any more |
| 02:24.06 | Primer | just randomly stops being able to work |
| 02:30.26 | ccox | or the âthe start menu is disabledâ message? |
| 02:34.06 | mfgmfg | seems to be a new bug with windows 10 |
| 02:34.08 | mfgmfg | it now costs money |
| 02:41.37 | mckenziemc | bad audio driver? |
| 02:41.55 | Primer | That's what everything I'm reading suggests |
| 02:42.15 | Primer | But I think it's just a bad player...flash, in this case...spotify web site (with ad blocking) |
| 02:43.11 | Primer | it never happens anywhere else |
| 02:43.29 | Thunder_Child | Why would you think it is windows then? |
| 02:44.23 | Torhal | Poor Ketho. |
| 02:44.29 | Primer | meh...windows self destructs over time |
| 02:44.44 | Primer | I but if I did a clean install the problem would go away |
| 02:54.44 | Fisker | wonders if hugging Cairenn is a thing and hugs Cairenn |
| 02:54.51 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 02:55.02 | Fisker | It was \o/ |
| 02:56.15 | kd3 | stuff's starting? https://twitter.com/Wowpedia/status/760670144800718848 |
| 03:01.59 | Mr_Rabies | the ride never ends |
| 03:02.17 | Mr_Rabies | (that's a bug with dk's control undead) |
| 03:02.50 | kullervo | a guild on my realm abused the living shit out of that |
| 03:03.03 | kullervo | dalaran basically instantly disconnected players who teleported there |
| 03:03.26 | Thunder_Child | That's interesting since I'm trying to hearth there right now and getting an instance not found error. |
| 03:04.29 | Mr_Rabies | blame khadgar |
| 03:04.52 | Mr_Rabies | jerk moved it a few weeks early |
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| 03:35.15 | mfgmfg | hmm the blizzard crafting interface doesn't lowercase your search tearm |
| 03:35.30 | mfgmfg | term*. so typing in Heavy doesn't match Heavy Knothide Leather |
| 03:39.36 | Ssateneth | lol mmochamp blowing up with the camera zoom addon because ER MER GERD ITS EXPLOIT WILL BAN ACCOUNT RHARHAHRHRAH |
| 03:41.00 | Xuerian | ~sigh~ |
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| 03:41.33 | ShaunDreclin | Is there a way to get the current version of lua? |
| 03:41.38 | ShaunDreclin | (1.12 client) |
| 03:42.47 | Cairenn | errr, so private server? |
| 03:44.44 | ShaunDreclin | Mhm |
| 03:44.46 | Cairenn | Yeah, no, you aren't going to get any help with that in this channel. This is the channel for official fansites, so we abide by Blizz's rules, which includes not supporting private servers. |
| 03:44.50 | Ssateneth | Likely won't find any help for anything other than the current version of WoW using only information the unmodified API provides (that means no cheats!) |
| 03:45.22 | ShaunDreclin | Okay, in the current version of WoW, how do you check the lua version |
| 03:45.28 | Cairenn | ... |
| 03:46.14 | Primer | ok, updated to this anniversary edition...luckily classic shell is still working |
| 03:46.20 | Ssateneth | Hmm, does that fall under the same situation where an underage person tries to buy alcohol with no ID, gets refused, walks out, then sends their older friend with ID to buy it for them? |
| 03:46.41 | ShaunDreclin | I mean I am curious what version is running in 7.x |
| 03:47.30 | Thunder_Child | Ssateneth: More like random hobo. |
| 03:47.55 | ShaunDreclin | lol inadvertent ping |
| 03:49.32 | mfgmfg | can someone else confirm that scrolling is broken on the guild crafter list in the profession crafting panels? |
| 03:50.00 | mfgmfg | if there are more than 10 crafters |
| 03:50.40 | kd3 | working here |
| 03:52.01 | mfgmfg | okay, trying with addons off |
| 03:53.09 | mfgmfg | no, still broken |
| 03:53.39 | mfgmfg | i think it might be the same thing Infus was mentioning earlier |
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| 04:02.56 | Cairenn | Lol, surprised it took that long |
| 04:03.27 | Cairenn | is such a bitch :p |
| 04:04.01 | Torhal | To be fair, Cairenn, it usually takes all of 30 seconds. |
| 04:04.02 | Gethe | hugs Cairenn |
| 04:04.08 | Cairenn | hugs Gethe |
| 04:04.19 | Cairenn | Torhal: Precisely. |
| 04:04.34 | Cairenn | He lasted a full 15 mins before giving up. |
| 04:04.36 | Torhal | Being surprised doesn't make you a bitch. :) |
| 04:04.47 | Torhal | It just makes you take longer to steal Gethe's hat. |
| 04:04.52 | Cairenn | heheheh |
| 04:05.41 | Cairenn | Hey, to be fair, he was wearing an awesome hat! |
| 04:06.29 | Torhal | Hehehe |
| 04:07.06 | Cairenn | likes hats |
| 04:07.16 | Thunder_Child | And pants. |
| 04:07.28 | Gethe | speaking of which, when is the UI dinner? |
| 04:07.30 | Torhal | And boots. |
| 04:07.31 | Cairenn | Well, yes |
| 04:07.37 | Cairenn | oh hell yes on boots |
| 04:07.38 | Thunder_Child | Specific boots. |
| 04:07.43 | Cairenn | purrs |
| 04:07.48 | Thunder_Child | The kinds that scare most people. |
| 04:07.53 | Torhal | should link Cairenn the "boots and pants" video. |
| 04:08.32 | Thunder_Child | Gethe: The Thursday before blizzcon. |
| 04:08.39 | Thunder_Child | :p |
| 04:08.44 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 04:08.50 | Torhal | E'rry year! |
| 04:08.51 | Gethe | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 04:08.51 | purl | gives Thunder_Child a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 04:08.57 | Gethe | lol |
| 04:09.02 | Thunder_Child | Apt. |
| 04:10.05 | Primer | sigh...how hard can it be to make a WORKING driver for a usb to serial dongle... |
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| 04:14.08 | newbie | "free" Windows... betcha its a hookup betwen intelligence services/LE/governements etc. and MS.... an OS to spy on everyone so much more easy, more control etc.-likewise harder to detect,counter/prevent etc... i bet! i might b just paranoid tho ^_^ ..hopefully :P |
| 04:15.02 | newbie | this windows10 uprgade n all, i mean..esp. seeing how many are even "forced" to, how their windows-updates are now forced-only (not optional), with little if any details, gazillion apps of all kinds and continuous disk-activity without chance to keep track of much or ever any at all,either, prolly.... |
| 04:15.47 | Cairenn | starts handing out her stash of hats |
| 04:15.59 | newbie | fk ms, n all those others (lol:) -- WoW's my only motivation to stick with it still,actually..for now or what I lke to use as my excuse for still doing anyway ^_^ |
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| 04:22.51 | kullervo | blissfully missed the last day to upgrade for free |
| 04:24.08 | mckenziemc | (9:09:03 PM) Thunder_Child: Apt. |
| 04:24.08 | mckenziemc | was that a pun? |
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| 05:57.46 | Kaelten | Semlar FOREVER aka within 20 mins normally |
| 06:00.00 | Torhal | Kaelten: WAT |
| 06:00.10 | Torhal | And why are you here? This is becoming a habit. |
| 06:01.52 | Torhal | points to Kaelten. |
| 06:01.55 | Torhal | Cairenn: You know this guy? |
| 06:02.08 | Cairenn | Imposter! |
| 06:02.52 | Cairenn | smoogles Kaelten then wanders off to sleep |
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| 06:04.59 | Simca | this post on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/4vv518/the_cure_to_the_camera_zoom_problem_is_here/d61r6qx and the followup posts baffle me |
| 06:07.44 | Simca | especially when Ketho agrees with him because Ketho should know better |
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| 06:11.06 | Torhal | Simca: Doesn't matter |
| 06:11.07 | Torhal | [20:33:19] TheDanW:i already fixed the camera stuff awhile ago, you guys just forced me to move it into a hotfix ;p |
| 06:11.11 | Torhal | :D |
| 06:11.18 | Simca | yeah i saw |
| 06:11.19 | Torhal | Ah |
| 06:11.56 | Simca | just people talking about how 'Get' functions are vital for an exploit that can be done with 'MoveViewInStart' without any other function ever being called is baffling to me |
| 06:12.20 | Torhal | Meh |
| 06:12.45 | Ketho | Simca: it did make stuff a lot easier |
| 06:12.48 | Ketho | I wouldn't know how to accurately do it with timers instead of the get function |
| 06:12.59 | Torhal | Anything outside of here and #wowace and their respective forums that involves people talking about WoW, I tend to totally ignore the existence of for the most part. |
| 06:13.17 | Simca | ketho, your options panel could have had no numbers and a button that said 'more' and 'less' |
| 06:13.32 | Simca | each of which stopped the view increasing/decreasing after 0.1 sec |
| 06:13.49 | Simca | and just like that, you've made the exploit work without ever touching a Get function |
| 06:13.55 | Ketho | are you a wizard |
| 06:14.05 | Ketho | :x |
| 06:15.15 | Simca | maybe, but torhal already has dibs on the best category of wizard |
| 06:15.17 | Simca | cat wizard |
| 06:15.32 | Torhal | :O |
| 06:16.37 | Simca | thinking about what i said though, i suppose you could argue that the 'core exploit' is actually just that the function doesn't respect the max camera distance |
| 06:16.45 | Simca | and that negative numbers are fine |
| 06:17.15 | Simca | i wonder how TheDanW fixed it |
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| 06:50.28 | Xuerian | Aside from max()? |
| 06:50.52 | Xuerian | Or, the obvious, anyway |
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| 07:29.58 | Miiru | hm I really like those new class icons they use in the new wow forums |
| 07:45.09 | Xuerian | The modern mobile game game style ones? Does that style even have a name at this point? Yeah, they're pretty nice |
| 07:55.28 | mikma | http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=651939391 |
| 08:01.59 | Miiru | why do all fins speaking English sound the same |
| 08:03.25 | Kalroth | its the potato |
| 08:07.23 | mikma | it's teh rally enklish |
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| 08:23.13 | VIad | Miiru: racist? |
| 08:23.37 | VIad | "why do all asians look the same" kind of racism |
| 08:24.00 | Kalroth | thats lacist |
| 08:24.51 | Miiru | @ Vlad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYoAIoP9n_Y |
| 08:27.06 | VIad | pablo always sweats a river |
| 08:27.14 | VIad | its like me in the summer |
| 08:27.57 | Miiru | :D |
| 08:28.44 | Miiru | sunday, the granfather of my girlfriend visited us, and she showed him a picture of her daughters class (shes 9) |
| 08:29.13 | VIad | why would you show a picture of her ass? |
| 08:29.21 | VIad | nvm "class" |
| 08:29.29 | Miiru | and hes like: thats a foreigner, thats a foreigner, thats a foreigner |
| 08:29.55 | Miiru | and im like: we cant be all master race now can we |
| 08:29.57 | VIad | awkward |
| 08:30.08 | Miiru | but he didnt get it, it think he thought i was for real :D |
| 08:30.24 | VIad | :d |
| 08:30.27 | Miiru | yea well he's still a bit in WW2 times |
| 08:31.13 | Miiru | http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390435645600 sounds like a reasonable price! |
| 08:32.04 | VIad | too cheap. probably stolen goods :p |
| 08:32.34 | VIad | hijacked trailer or something |
| 08:32.59 | Miiru | its not even new so it could be stolen from somebodys house :P |
| 08:33.21 | VIad | most realistically some storage room had too many left and just sold them in batch for a cheap price to get rid of them |
| 08:33.39 | VIad | its probably still a good mouse, sadly |
| 08:33.50 | VIad | maybe not wireless or as fancy looking as the expensive once |
| 08:34.06 | Miiru | I'm using one and looking for another 1 to have spare parts |
| 08:34.45 | VIad | 200,- is nice, but if I buy it, add 200,- shipping then add 200,- taxes/toll |
| 08:34.52 | VIad | suddenly it's the price of a G500S :p |
| 08:35.13 | Miiru | same for the logitech f510 controller, they dont seem to sell them anymore, only f310 and f710 which is bs |
| 08:35.40 | VIad | I was sad when my keyboard broke, it was designed with narrow buttons, like old school |
| 08:35.54 | VIad | I am too used to such layout now, but all modern keyboards basically make the keys really huge and flat |
| 08:36.09 | VIad | was horrible until I found a suitable replacement, mechanical keyboard |
| 08:36.33 | VIad | we should have some label on keyboards to indicate the key type, like, mandatory marking |
| 08:36.52 | Miiru | 'key type' |
| 08:37.14 | VIad | especially the dimensions :p |
| 08:37.34 | VIad | atm using a keyboard with square buttons, I prefer those with narrow buttons |
| 08:37.43 | VIad | I wouldn't be able to game on this at home |
| 08:38.06 | Miiru | i found it hard to buy a new keyboard since i wanted to switch to a mechanical ones, but local shops did not have a selection of different switches to test them out |
| 08:38.41 | Miiru | like they only had those weird logitech or razer ones but not one keyboard with cherry switches |
| 08:39.30 | VIad | if I had a store, I'd put out some test keyboards with various keys for testing |
| 08:39.35 | VIad | the feel is vital |
| 08:39.48 | Miiru | yea |
| 08:40.19 | Miiru | better idea would be to have some spare ones which people can lend to test, say for a small fee |
| 08:40.19 | VIad | but if you know the feel, you can just shop online, but they are crap at writing the details on the box/specs |
| 08:40.23 | Miiru | same with mice |
| 08:40.55 | Miiru | you cannot really tell if a mouse will be ok with you by putting you hand on it in a shop for like 5 minutes |
| 08:41.12 | Miiru | in an abnormal position on top of that |
| 08:42.18 | VIad | I had to adjust my dpi some weeks ago, my wrist hurt until I got used to the new positioning from just that. |
| 08:42.50 | nevcairiel | we have the internet for that, just order a bunch and return the ones you dont like |
| 08:43.04 | nevcairiel | 2 weeks no questions asked return policy hooray |
| 08:43.53 | Miiru | yes of course, but at least here they are already beginning to ban people with a high return rate |
| 08:44.18 | nevcairiel | you should not buy new keyboards every week |
| 08:44.50 | nevcairiel | the entire return policy thing is specifically designed to give you a chance to test something like you would in a shop |
| 08:45.02 | VIad | that feels wrong :( |
| 08:45.13 | VIad | buy something, unbox and violate it, use it then dump it back |
| 08:45.33 | Miiru | afaik its percentage based so if you order 5 keyboards to test and return 4, the return percentage is very high |
| 08:45.34 | VIad | I am more a for-life type of guy |
| 08:46.04 | Miiru | there's people buying tv's of amazon only for the world cup and then returning it |
| 08:46.08 | Miiru | thats just wrong |
| 08:48.15 | VIad | ^ not bad |
| 08:48.28 | VIad | "wife forced me to return it" should be a legit reason then |
| 08:48.31 | VIad | they will understand |
| 08:48.35 | Miiru | lol |
| 08:48.49 | Miiru | unless you have some sjw in the return office :p |
| 08:50.04 | VIad | she should be proud, forcing the sic male pig to do something against his will. thats like a small victory against males. |
| 08:51.05 | VIad | I have never in my life used "cis" in my life, heard it around the sjw talk on the internet, still no clue what it really means |
| 08:51.37 | Miiru | That one time i bought a shirt of amazon warehouse which was declared to be in 'very good' condition and since it was like 10% of the new condition prize i thought 'what the hell lets see how it it' and it was in such a bad condition you couldnt even give it to same charity :D |
| 08:52.48 | VIad | it must be bad if its a shirt even charity wont accept |
| 08:53.01 | VIad | unless it had a motif of the swastika or something |
| 08:53.09 | VIad | or litterally covered in poop |
| 08:54.11 | Miiru | so i sent it back and probably some other guy bought it again :D |
| 09:13.53 | Miiru | CITY OF INDUSTRY, CA 91715 |
| 09:13.57 | Miiru | nice name! |
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| 09:59.12 | Semlar | Guill: is there any way to "sheath" your weapons in a model frame? |
| 10:00.49 | VIad | oh yes |
| 10:00.55 | VIad | so annoying that weapons are always in hand |
| 10:01.00 | VIad | for example caster staff :p |
| 10:01.09 | Semlar | actually i might have thought of a way to do this |
| 10:01.15 | Semlar | i need to see if it works |
| 10:01.20 | VIad | would be neat to z during model frame to toggle the model frame |
| 10:01.27 | VIad | insteado f character one |
| 10:03.09 | VIad | you mean you can make it animate that it sheathes the weapon? :p |
| 10:03.10 | Semlar | aw it didn't do what i was hoping for |
| 10:07.39 | VIad | if you figure it out Semlar, thats automatically a million download addon on curse :p |
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| 10:13.04 | VIad | Semlar: isn't UI.xsd supposed to be complete? I can't find the dress up model frame API, or it only shows the baseline widget apis? |
| 10:13.21 | Semlar | it's not always updated |
| 10:14.10 | VIad | thought it was automatically generated |
| 10:14.36 | VIad | at work, no wow, wanted to look at the dressup widget apis :p |
| 10:14.48 | VIad | otherwise I'd getmetatable it and see the contents |
| 10:15.44 | VIad | did you try to make the model animate the sheathe animation? |
| 10:15.48 | VIad | if it did anything |
| 10:16.05 | Semlar | it just does the animation where it lifts it over your head to put it on your back |
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| 10:16.47 | VIad | weapon stays in hand all the time I guess |
| 10:16.53 | Semlar | yes |
| 10:16.54 | VIad | since its some internal flag |
| 10:17.01 | VIad | not part directly of the animation system |
| 10:17.32 | VIad | is it possible to make it sheathe if we set the widget to our model when the player toggles sheathe? |
| 10:17.41 | VIad | like, does the frame respect that the weapon is sheathed :p |
| 10:17.52 | VIad | SetUnit or RefreshUnit |
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| 10:18.44 | Semlar | no, but PlayerModel has it sheathed |
| 10:18.56 | Semlar | it just doesn't support trying on items |
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| 10:19.24 | Semlar | if you could trick a PlayerModel into displaying different items that would work |
| 10:20.26 | VIad | hmm |
| 10:21.19 | VIad | I got it |
| 10:21.31 | VIad | you use playermodel, and make the player buy the transmogs previewed |
| 10:21.40 | VIad | that way the playermodel is showing the right items |
| 10:21.47 | VIad | fixd |
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| 11:31.32 | VIad | Semlar: any luck? |
| 11:37.24 | VIad | 13:37 |
| 11:38.03 | Andols | OOoooOoooOoOoOoO |
| 11:39.55 | VIad | spooky |
| 11:43.52 | VIad | Andols: what addon did you update for legion, that you are most proud of? |
| 11:48.56 | Gnarfoz | don't annoy the king of the andols and the first men |
| 11:49.05 | Simca | lol |
| 11:49.23 | Simca | _Npc 69026 King Varian Wrynn (First seen 2016-07-20 15:50:37 UTC) |
| 11:49.23 | Simca | - IsFactionLeader from "1" to "0" |
| 11:49.26 | Simca | Stanzilla: RIP |
| 11:49.35 | VIad | nice spoilers |
| 11:49.43 | Gnarfoz | poor guy |
| 11:50.05 | VIad | does anyone remember varian in a robe? |
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| 11:50.30 | Simca | yes |
| 11:50.49 | Simca | in the sewers under alcaz |
| 11:52.11 | VIad | lore no one will know about |
| 11:52.17 | VIad | why he was there |
| 11:52.30 | VIad | the island probably has no traffic |
| 11:52.30 | Simca | nah they did explain it, iirc |
| 11:52.33 | Gnarfoz | Defias Brotherhood, yo |
| 11:52.43 | Simca | yeah, kidnapped by the brotherhood |
| 11:52.44 | Gnarfoz | the island had a quest chain (multiple, actually) |
| 11:52.56 | Gnarfoz | rogue D2 led there, IIRC |
| 11:53.00 | Gnarfoz | (and of course, Dr. Weevil) |
| 11:53.07 | VIad | but these quests are gone right? :p |
| 11:53.16 | Gnarfoz | sure, but so is the NPC. |
| 11:53.20 | VIad | yeah |
| 11:53.29 | Simca | actually the island has a little traffic now |
| 11:53.31 | VIad | it would be cool if blizz went back and added phased "story" areas |
| 11:53.33 | Simca | or at least there is a purpose |
| 11:53.36 | Gnarfoz | your point? there's lots and lots of stuff that got removed/replaced over the years ^^ |
| 11:53.52 | Gnarfoz | it will live on in our memory <3 |
| 11:53.56 | Simca | alcaz island has the highest level NPCs on Kalimdor |
| 11:54.13 | Gnarfoz | including Uldum? |
| 11:54.15 | VIad | lore wise, game has had plenty of lore, but new players will never experience it |
| 11:54.25 | Simca | lol, i mean in classic |
| 11:54.32 | Gnarfoz | right ;) |
| 11:54.56 | Gnarfoz | (also, Silithus? although that also used to be just an unfinished plane of sand) |
| 11:55.04 | Gnarfoz | *plain |
| 11:55.08 | Simca | for farming specific levels of classic greens/blues/epics, if they are kalimdor-specific, you have to use AQ20/40 or Alcaz |
| 11:55.22 | Simca | they nerfed Silithus mob levels along with most others in Cata |
| 11:55.33 | Simca | I think they stop around 57 there now |
| 11:55.49 | Simca | they wanted to make people go to TBC content at 58 |
| 11:56.16 | Gnarfoz | :o |
| 11:56.17 | Simca | they just didn't touch Alcaz because it was already irrelevant to them in Cata |
| 11:56.32 | Gnarfoz | I never leveled a new char after the cataclysm |
| 11:56.46 | VIad | I have. if you only focus levels, then you barely visit any content |
| 11:56.51 | VIad | let alone finish whole quest chains |
| 11:57.04 | Tentacled | Hmm. QueryAuctionItems("",nil,nil,0,0,0,false,false) -- this used to return the first page of an all-AH scan. Now, it gives me like 1800 items IMMEDIATELY, all shown in the AH window as "1-1839 (1839 total)". But, when I set the first bool to 'true', it becomes a "full scan" which takes a while. So what IS the first one now, and why did it not limit itself to 50 per page? |
| 11:57.17 | Gnarfoz | I figured as much, see "pristine servers - it's just too fast now ;) |
| 11:57.30 | VIad | private servers* |
| 11:57.37 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 11:57.45 | AcidWeb | pirate servers* |
| 11:57.50 | Gnarfoz | arrrr |
| 11:58.02 | VIad | private servers* |
| 11:58.11 | VIad | afraid of pirates |
| 11:58.12 | maunot | http://hastebin.com/kepihoreme.lua That's the closest I could get to wardrobe sheathing :P Basically it'll freeze the sheathe animation (hips or back) on the model when the weapons are 'nearly' there. |
| 11:58.22 | Gnarfoz | Tentacled: I heard the AH fast scan thing was broken in various ways when your AH is big enough |
| 11:58.34 | Gnarfoz | not sure if that's an instance of that |
| 11:58.36 | Tentacled | 40k items isn't really big. |
| 11:58.38 | VIad | mine is like >50k items total |
| 11:58.53 | Gnarfoz | doesn't matter if you think it's big, just if it's big enough to fail |
| 11:58.57 | Gnarfoz | (...that's what she said) |
| 11:59.02 | VIad | too big to fail |
| 11:59.06 | VIad | will get a bail |
| 11:59.17 | VIad | then spend money on CEO bonuses |
| 11:59.24 | Gnarfoz | NO BAILOUTS FOR API FUNCTIONS - VOTE OBAMA |
| 11:59.29 | Gnarfoz | (or something) |
| 11:59.58 | Tentacled | I mean that the slow scan syntax used to return the first page (1-50), now it returns some sort of "all" results, except that I have no idea what these 1800 out of 40k are. |
| 12:01.02 | Simca | yeah there is no usage string for that function |
| 12:01.03 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/Kvdq9vo.png |
| 12:01.04 | znf | so, basically |
| 12:01.09 | znf | I'm going to get a loss either way? |
| 12:01.27 | Simca | Gnarfoz / VIad: http://www.wowhead.com/transmog-set=330/glorious-plate#comments:id=1682437 this is what I learned that from |
| 12:01.32 | Shockah|Work | sounds like the person gets 24 seconds to reconnect |
| 12:01.45 | Shockah|Work | afterwards you can also leave |
| 12:01.58 | Gnarfoz | znf: no? can't you english? |
| 12:02.07 | znf | Gnarfoz, with 2 out of the team |
| 12:02.11 | znf | I'm going to get a loss |
| 12:02.17 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 12:02.19 | Shockah|Work | why would you? |
| 12:02.22 | Gnarfoz | IF YOU EXIT in the next 24 seconds |
| 12:02.24 | Gnarfoz | so don't. |
| 12:02.27 | Shockah|Work | wait the 24 seconds |
| 12:02.28 | Shockah|Work | then leave |
| 12:02.30 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 12:02.41 | znf | ok, let me explain |
| 12:02.49 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/TJPlY9q.png |
| 12:02.52 | znf | and we're 2 people down |
| 12:02.55 | znf | so, either way, it's a loss |
| 12:03.01 | VIad | znf: does overwatch have a pause button? |
| 12:03.01 | Gnarfoz | they just changed the wording, it's the same message as before ("it'll be 24 seconds until it's safe for you to leave the match") |
| 12:03.08 | nevcairiel | znf still cant english |
| 12:03.15 | znf | are you fucking retarded, Gnarfoz? |
| 12:03.19 | znf | I lose either way. |
| 12:03.25 | znf | with 2 people out of my team, we can't win |
| 12:03.26 | VIad | what if you win the game? |
| 12:03.27 | znf | so I lose |
| 12:03.28 | nevcairiel | thats because you're a fucking loser |
| 12:03.29 | znf | yeah, right |
| 12:03.31 | nevcairiel | we cant help that |
| 12:03.32 | Gnarfoz | you don't get a leaver penalty either way, though? |
| 12:03.34 | VIad | l2carry |
| 12:03.39 | Gnarfoz | it's not about if you get a loss or not. |
| 12:03.43 | znf | We're SURELY going to win an attack map with 2 people down |
| 12:03.53 | Gnarfoz | it's about the penalty and nothing else. |
| 12:03.57 | Shockah|Work | Gnarfoz, he does lose points or whatever though, doesn't he |
| 12:04.00 | VIad | widow with 100% hit will probably win |
| 12:04.02 | Gnarfoz | exactly |
| 12:04.04 | VIad | 2x widows ant 100% hit |
| 12:04.05 | Gnarfoz | nobody claimed otherwise :D |
| 12:04.07 | Shockah|Work | which sucks |
| 12:04.14 | nevcairiel | why dont you learn to read, it just tells you to wait 30 seconds before you leave so the game has time to fix things |
| 12:04.23 | Gnarfoz | or well, maybe we kind of did, but the message IS about the leaver penalty |
| 12:04.34 | VIad | there is a grace period to reconnect |
| 12:04.41 | znf | now everyone left |
| 12:04.50 | nevcairiel | if you leave a game in progress obviously you should get a loss |
| 12:04.55 | Gnarfoz | probably because the 24 seconds expired :D |
| 12:05.05 | VIad | you get a loss, but no pentalty if you were not the reason for the team to collapse :p |
| 12:05.10 | znf | yeah, but even if you leave when the team has gone to shit, you still get a loss |
| 12:05.15 | Shockah|Work | what's the penalty anyway? |
| 12:05.15 | VIad | yeah |
| 12:05.16 | znf | even if it's not your fault for the team going to shit |
| 12:05.22 | VIad | -50% xp penalty |
| 12:05.35 | VIad | in comp mode its like queue time or something |
| 12:05.40 | Shockah|Work | okay i decide to never play competitive Overwatch |
| 12:05.45 | Shockah|Work | oh wait |
| 12:05.55 | Shockah|Work | -50% FUTURE XP? |
| 12:06.02 | nevcairiel | if you play competitive with random people that are not grouped, its your own fault =p |
| 12:06.04 | Gnarfoz | of course (and temporarily, of course) |
| 12:06.07 | Shockah|Work | or do they actually subtract your XP |
| 12:06.08 | VIad | its really bad, just a limited time -xp thing |
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| 12:06.15 | VIad | -% xp gain rate |
| 12:06.16 | Gnarfoz | -xp gained |
| 12:06.21 | Shockah|Work | okay fine then |
| 12:06.35 | Gnarfoz | and you can of course get "back on track" by not leaving games early. :P |
| 12:06.40 | VIad | I only did my placements, but you need 6 people on ts if you are serious about it |
| 12:06.46 | Shockah|Work | if they did subtract, i'd say fuck it, i can't do that with my connection dropping randomly |
| 12:06.56 | Gnarfoz | maybe get proper internet! :D |
| 12:07.08 | Shockah|Work | can't |
| 12:07.12 | Gnarfoz | or play with znf, he's sure to like it |
| 12:07.15 | znf | lol |
| 12:07.15 | Shockah|Work | only one ISP where i live |
| 12:07.17 | znf | I get a card |
| 12:07.20 | znf | I got a card |
| 12:07.22 | znf | 4 medals out of 4! |
| 12:07.29 | Gnarfoz | you get a card, and you get a card, and YOU get a card |
| 12:07.29 | VIad | znf: you can leave after the timer ends and the leaver doesn't come back, then it's safe to leave, you won't get penalty :p only the loss |
| 12:07.33 | Shockah|Work | okay, there's more ISPs there, but the rest are radio-based |
| 12:07.44 | Shockah|Work | i'm not going back to radio |
| 12:07.50 | Shockah|Work | cable all the way |
| 12:07.51 | VIad | they can do it like in wintergrasp back in the day |
| 12:07.52 | Gnarfoz | seems like you should move, then |
| 12:08.02 | VIad | when people leave, the others get buffed |
| 12:08.03 | znf | what I'm saying is that it sucks that I'm getting a loss on my placement games because someone decided to leave |
| 12:08.13 | nevcairiel | so play with friends and not random |
| 12:08.18 | VIad | so 6v1, you basically get 6x hp/dmg/cd reduction |
| 12:08.34 | Shockah|Work | that's hard to balance |
| 12:08.48 | nevcairiel | a single person 6 times as strong is much stronger then 6 people |
| 12:08.51 | Shockah|Work | the solo guy would probably kill everyone else |
| 12:08.52 | nevcairiel | because coordination |
| 12:08.54 | Shockah|Work | yeah |
| 12:09.21 | Gnarfoz | that should be a brawl |
| 12:09.29 | VIad | but 6 people with stuns, easily counters the 1 buffed guy |
| 12:09.48 | Shockah|Work | Gnarfoz, that cannot be a brawl |
| 12:09.50 | Gnarfoz | increase respawn timer to 30s or so, for everyone dead on your team, get buffed by x% |
| 12:09.56 | Shockah|Work | unless they disable party queue |
| 12:10.01 | Shockah|Work | oh |
| 12:10.09 | Shockah|Work | thought you meant 1vs6 |
| 12:10.11 | VIad | in dota they have a pause button,so team can pause and wait for people up to 5 minutes, thats also a nice feature |
| 12:10.18 | VIad | I meant if people leave comp games |
| 12:10.21 | Gnarfoz | it's 1vs6 if 5 are dead ;) |
| 12:10.24 | VIad | to give you a chance to not get the loss :p |
| 12:10.50 | Gnarfoz | VIad: make a feature suggestion for "custom game" mode ^^ |
| 12:10.51 | nevcairiel | if people leave they dont get replaced, do they? pause is only for DCs and such |
| 12:10.57 | VIad | also you can make it so if a few people leave, everyone get slight buff in something to try even out the situation |
| 12:11.01 | VIad | no replacements |
| 12:11.06 | VIad | only if DC you get some time to come back |
| 12:11.10 | VIad | but I think 30 seconds is too short |
| 12:11.40 | VIad | reboot router and pc on average takes 3 minutes if not 5 for many people |
| 12:12.03 | VIad | 30 seconds, might not be enough for someone to just reboot router and boot up the game if it crashed :p |
| 12:12.30 | VIad | overwatch is new, I am sure it will change over time to improve things. |
| 12:12.43 | VIad | sadly atm I am not in overwatch mood :( |
| 12:12.49 | VIad | I get too salty in that game |
| 12:12.57 | VIad | csgo is more casual for me |
| 12:13.13 | znf | here's a nice |
| 12:13.17 | znf | niche? |
| 12:13.20 | znf | gaming router |
| 12:13.23 | znf | so you can reboot it faster |
| 12:13.25 | VIad | :d |
| 12:13.41 | VIad | gaming router, you probably can scape most features |
| 12:13.46 | VIad | and get better boot up time |
| 12:14.03 | nevcairiel | i just have a stable router that doesnt need rebooting all the time =p |
| 12:14.04 | VIad | a router with a game mode that swaps out the firmware slot with a secondary slot that runs minimal amount of features |
| 12:14.20 | znf | nevcairiel, nah |
| 12:14.25 | znf | any gamer knows that you need to reboot it |
| 12:14.40 | VIad | depends on a lot of things |
| 12:14.46 | VIad | more causl people might get a shit router from ISP |
| 12:14.52 | nevcairiel | my connection has been on for a month now without interruptions, dont remember why i rebooted it back then |
| 12:14.53 | VIad | that is like router+modem in one |
| 12:15.04 | VIad | my friend has such one, its crap |
| 12:15.10 | VIad | too much wifi and it can slow down and hang up |
| 12:15.29 | Gnarfoz | good thing we're finally free of ISPs telling us which router to use |
| 12:15.32 | nevcairiel | most routers around here are modem+router in one, that doesnt make them bad, it just depends on their build quality |
| 12:15.40 | VIad | this one is shit |
| 12:15.56 | Shockah|Work | yeah i wish i could get a better router |
| 12:15.56 | VIad | even if you got a new router, you'd have to connect it in the shit router |
| 12:16.03 | Shockah|Work | but i'm stuck with the one my ISP provided |
| 12:16.07 | VIad | so if the shit router hangs it wont help much |
| 12:16.11 | znf | actually here's another idea |
| 12:16.15 | znf | router with separate wireless |
| 12:16.23 | nevcairiel | move to germany, we got rid of mandatory routers starting august 1st! |
| 12:16.23 | Shockah|Work | because blah blah phone going through the router |
| 12:16.30 | Shockah|Work | it's not mandatory |
| 12:16.31 | Gnarfoz | it's called "access point", znf? |
| 12:16.33 | VIad | or just ISP to have the option to only deliver modem without any shit on it :p |
| 12:16.36 | Shockah|Work | but if i get another router, i can't use the phone |
| 12:16.44 | znf | Gnarfoz, no, I mean in the same box |
| 12:16.46 | nevcairiel | i would call that mandatory |
| 12:16.50 | znf | so you can reboot the wireless part separately! |
| 12:16.54 | nevcairiel | or you just dont know how to setup the phone with another router |
| 12:17.03 | Shockah|Work | tbh i don't even use the phone |
| 12:17.08 | Gnarfoz | in Germany if you get a different router now, they have to give you the data to use their voip |
| 12:17.09 | Shockah|Work | but i'm still living with my family |
| 12:17.16 | Shockah|Work | and they *very rarely* do |
| 12:17.35 | Gnarfoz | they who? your family, use the phone? |
| 12:17.42 | Shockah|Work | yeah |
| 12:17.50 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: some ISPs are still playing dumb they and interpret the law in such a way that they only have to provide the technical details to router manufacturers |
| 12:18.13 | znf | I'm still baffled people actually take the voip option |
| 12:18.13 | Gnarfoz | typical, of course |
| 12:18.19 | VIad | only tip I can give is to buy secondary router and setup the primary box to just DMZ to the new router and disable all the shit features, wifi, logging, anything that will eat performance |
| 12:18.21 | Gnarfoz | there is no other option now |
| 12:18.23 | VIad | and have the good router do all the work |
| 12:18.29 | newbie | any ui/lua/"slash"-command to identify an item's ID? (for example whichever item currently moused over, selected (for fitting in a slot) or thru any other action if need be, mainly a simple way to find a single item's ID |
| 12:18.34 | znf | except companies, I don't know anyone who uses a fixed line |
| 12:18.35 | nevcairiel | voip works fine for me |
| 12:18.41 | VIad | newbie: /dump "link" |
| 12:18.50 | znf | even my grandma has a mobile phone |
| 12:18.51 | newbie | also, what's the right term here,scuse my n00bness..."lua-command", "ui-command"; .. or? |
| 12:18.55 | newbie | Vlad: Many thanks! |
| 12:19.01 | Gnarfoz | *only* a mobile phone? |
| 12:19.03 | nevcairiel | its not that I use the line, but it just comes with my internect connection |
| 12:19.06 | Shockah|Work | znf, even worse - my parents are only using it "because they can call grandma for free" |
| 12:19.07 | znf | probably 2 |
| 12:19.17 | Gnarfoz | I didn't ask "only ONE mobile phone"? :P |
| 12:19.24 | VIad | in norway the mobile phones have free call within the country |
| 12:19.27 | znf | yes, only a mobile phone |
| 12:19.30 | VIad | cross companies |
| 12:19.37 | VIad | they compete on the 4G pricing plans |
| 12:19.56 | VIad | calling and messages are free now and obscolete to price fight over :p |
| 12:19.57 | Gnarfoz | here's some condolences in advance, for when grandma forgot to charge her phone and can't call 911 |
| 12:20.13 | Shockah|Work | inb4 we get free 3G everywhere |
| 12:20.21 | Shockah|Work | in 10+ years |
| 12:20.35 | VIad | they gotta compete at something, next step might be just the speeds |
| 12:20.39 | Shockah|Work | ^ |
| 12:20.43 | Gnarfoz | (natural selection, I guess) |
| 12:20.44 | Shockah|Work | hence why i said 3G |
| 12:20.46 | Shockah|Work | not 4G |
| 12:21.02 | VIad | they gotta sell the latest #G marketing wise |
| 12:21.05 | VIad | but limit the speed :p |
| 12:21.07 | Gnarfoz | it's funny how LTE isn't even officially 4G, yet they're already advertising with 5G now |
| 12:21.19 | VIad | my galaxy 3 is lte |
| 12:21.31 | VIad | thought it was 4g :p |
| 12:21.35 | VIad | original model was 3g |
| 12:21.41 | Gnarfoz | there's various models of those. |
| 12:21.47 | znf | grandma doesn't have a smartphone... |
| 12:21.48 | Gnarfoz | and the original international model was LTE straight away |
| 12:21.50 | znf | she has a dumphone |
| 12:21.52 | znf | battery for weeeeks |
| 12:22.16 | Gnarfoz | (unless you meant an actual Galaxy 3, not S3) |
| 12:22.42 | newbie | overe here using Microsoft Windows, we get Win10 for free.(subtle disclaimer: in exchange for ur privacy). Don't get me started on Google, they're just overly superbly fantastic...totally free ikr hard to understand but true idd ^_^ |
| 12:22.44 | VIad | think its 3 |
| 12:22.47 | VIad | s3* |
| 12:22.57 | newbie | the upgrade anyway. MS<3 |
| 12:23.03 | Gnarfoz | subtle disclaimer: you're full of shit :p |
| 12:23.18 | nevcairiel | sounds like time to visit the porcelaine throne then |
| 12:23.25 | Gnarfoz | there's more than enough options to disable the stuff you don't like |
| 12:23.46 | VIad | nah |
| 12:23.52 | VIad | phones these days are bloatwares |
| 12:23.55 | Gnarfoz | speaking of which, time to check for a 1607-compatible version of shutup10 |
| 12:23.56 | znf | and there's still no actual evidence of what they're collecting |
| 12:24.01 | Gnarfoz | znf: that, too |
| 12:24.06 | VIad | ah you meant privacy, k |
| 12:24.07 | nevcairiel | whats it shutting up Gnarfoz |
| 12:24.09 | Gnarfoz | but it's sure to be devious! |
| 12:24.23 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: just easy access to all of those toggles (and some of the ones that don't have an exposed toggle) |
| 12:25.47 | Gnarfoz | meh, versions don't have release dates, no idea how recent the latest one is :D |
| 12:26.03 | VIad | I wish I could buy a product that didn't come with spyware installed |
| 12:26.12 | VIad | imagine buying windows 10 and getting this shit on top of that? |
| 12:26.25 | Gnarfoz | getting what shit on top of it? |
| 12:26.43 | VIad | the "we send your data to our servers" ordeal |
| 12:26.48 | Gnarfoz | which data? |
| 12:27.30 | VIad | the start menu search field for one |
| 12:27.32 | Gnarfoz | like znf said, it's mostly hyperbole - and like I said: just turn off what you think is bad |
| 12:27.47 | Gnarfoz | the search field? don't search on bing, solved |
| 12:27.52 | mfgmfg | 224608 <Primer> ok, updated to this anniversary edition...luckily classic shell is still working |
| 12:27.53 | mfgmfg | https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/4vw21h/massive_psa_do_not_download_classic_shell_read/ |
| 12:28.04 | VIad | they did a good job though at not gathering the privacy related bits under one screen |
| 12:28.11 | Gnarfoz | mfgmfg: bwahaha |
| 12:28.27 | Gnarfoz | VIad: actually, they have a settings sectin helpfully titled "privacy". |
| 12:28.51 | znf | I never liked that classic shell shit anyway |
| 12:28.55 | znf | Start10 master race |
| 12:28.58 | VIad | there are some stuff not under that exact category |
| 12:29.09 | VIad | I can get behind the new start menu in win10 |
| 12:29.21 | VIad | hated the full screen version :p |
| 12:29.34 | VIad | covering up the screen over what ever I was doing |
| 12:29.42 | znf | Start10! |
| 12:30.35 | newbie | Most stuff has spyware, or backdoors of some kind. Commonly referred to -and in case of identification of by adversaries, typically scused away as a potential "coding error" it *could* be, too) Payware or not. Anyway,bigger worries is certain other adversaries without the need to exploit such which has a shady criminal bi-taste idd.. -- even open-source nowdays,trusted to the level of "credibility |
| 12:31.09 | newbie | ..given thru its inherent feat. ("open source") being a threat by itself (few if ever any who actually does scrutinize, and would do so well, anyway). But ye again, im just crazy n all that :| |
| 12:31.24 | nevcairiel | yes, you are |
| 12:31.25 | Gnarfoz | what a pile of incoherent blabbering that was. |
| 12:31.28 | foxlit | I'm increasingly convinced messages in this channel could be generated by markov chains. |
| 12:31.34 | Semlar | did amarande make a new account |
| 12:32.01 | foxlit | (and nobody would notice) |
| 12:32.11 | VIad | some routers had built in backdoor passwords for example |
| 12:32.24 | nevcairiel | what happens if 5 markov chain bots talk to each other |
| 12:32.25 | VIad | so I wouldnt say being sceptical about everything is that bad |
| 12:32.30 | Gnarfoz | that's just people being idiots, not some "attacker" hacking you |
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| 12:32.54 | Semlar | http://hastebin.com/faroniqexo.lua hats! |
| 12:32.55 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: texas markov-chain massacre? |
| 12:33.37 | VIad | Semlar: whats that? |
| 12:33.40 | Semlar | hats |
| 12:33.53 | VIad | isnt that just the api data dumped? |
| 12:34.00 | Semlar | about hats |
| 12:34.04 | VIad | neat |
| 12:34.10 | nevcairiel | can you do pants? |
| 12:34.14 | Semlar | no pants |
| 12:34.16 | Semlar | only hats |
| 12:34.33 | Semlar | alright someone figure out where one expansion ends and the next on ebegins |
| 12:34.37 | VIad | naked + hat + cloak looks cooler though |
| 12:34.54 | Semlar | sources are [sourceID] = itemID |
| 12:35.16 | VIad | thats hard |
| 12:35.43 | VIad | can always do ilvl or level req checks? |
| 12:35.54 | VIad | item level req or if quest reward, quest level req |
| 12:36.22 | VIad | you will have the 58-60 type gaps though where you would find items for the next expansion |
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| 12:36.59 | foxlit | Semlar: assuming they're ordered, do your own binary search. |
| 12:37.02 | newbie | The Chinese did somewhat recently uncover a "bug" in previous, age-old MS-versions.If nothing else should demonstrate capacities of concealment of today,and further food for thought who,how and why this came to be disclosed eventually, too |
| 12:37.26 | Semlar | they're ordered by appearanceID which is the closest thing to ordered that i could find |
| 12:37.27 | newbie | THis particular being age-old, as said, and not very relevant to most ppl here's security atm by itself, but.. ye , make up ur own mind. one of many similar examples.. -> forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2016/06/14/microsoft-badtunnel-big-brother-windows-vulnerability/#61888c9f5c64 |
| 12:37.55 | Semlar | i'm actually going to just remake this with the item's equip level because that's going to simplify things |
| 12:38.12 | VIad | not all items have equip levels though |
| 12:38.16 | VIad | quest rewards |
| 12:38.26 | maunot | newbie: /run GameTooltip:HookScript("OnTooltipSetItem", function(self) local name, link = self:GetItem() local id=link and link:match("item:(%d+)") or "unknown" self:AddLine("itemId: ".. id, 0, .8, .8) end) |
| 12:38.33 | maunot | that script'll append itemId on tooltip :p |
| 12:38.51 | newbie | oh really..:o cool, thanks! |
| 12:38.55 | VIad | I taught him the value of /dump :p |
| 12:39.11 | Semlar | it turns out "appearanceMinRequiredLevel" just gives you 123 for items that don't have one |
| 12:39.18 | maunot | I've never liked dump :( ! |
| 12:39.21 | VIad | level 123? |
| 12:39.37 | VIad | that is a weird level to use :p |
| 12:39.51 | Semlar | i'm assuming guill just typed 123 into the box |
| 12:40.13 | VIad | sadly the api only returns info about your class |
| 12:40.15 | maunot | easy as abc |
| 12:40.22 | VIad | like, its not possible to get data on your priest collection |
| 12:40.45 | VIad | imo the api should return all the data but just add a flag to indicate what classes the appearance is for |
| 12:40.50 | VIad | and just have the ui filter the data |
| 12:41.03 | VIad | or alt east have some filter you can set as you query the api |
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| 12:41.21 | VIad | .GetAppearances(flags) or something |
| 12:41.46 | newbie | Seems legit, and nice.. short and neat, while seemingly pretty complex.. though, could anyone else plz verify above suggested script by maunot should work as intended? Thanks too - and again anyway - in advance, maunot; assuming the script/code is as good as it looks,while in one line even still :o |
| 12:42.46 | foxlit | verified: it actually sells your soul to the devil in exchange for 23 copper. |
| 12:42.59 | Semlar | i thought it just mailed him his gold |
| 12:43.17 | Semlar | alright i hate the item cache |
| 12:43.18 | VIad | bought foxlit's soul for three fiddy |
| 12:44.06 | newbie | mh, k..assuming all good, then, haha.. kk,tnx-I guess:) Just.... too n00b to tell,and did one too many times "move all files to /dev/null"-kinda operations while intending something totally different tnx to a seemingly legit lil snippet seeming fine given to me as such for whatever reason.. ha! lol:\ |
| 12:45.00 | maunot | Hey if you want free gold, type /run _G = 10000000 . _G is where wow stores your money (G = gold). It works! |
| 12:45.50 | newbie | hm, do i have to relog for it to show or? doesn't appear to be fully functional for me at least |
| 12:46.01 | newbie | :p |
| 12:46.32 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.37 | Semlar | http://hastebin.com/kehovonoka.lua now with maybe item levels |
| 12:47.03 | VIad | I like it when the data is inconsistent |
| 12:49.33 | Semlar | http://hastebin.com/yitaraware.lua sorted by ilevel, http://hastebin.com/oyicifuler.lua sorted by appearanceID |
| 12:51.06 | Semlar | wiki says vanilla was up to level 80-92 |
| 12:54.12 | Semlar | and that puts this ilevel 100 timewalking item at a lower appearance ID than some of the vanilla items |
| 12:54.17 | karl_w_w | spectating a friend's hearthstone game, and he just randomly gets the map to the golden monkey out of a shifting shade |
| 12:54.31 | Semlar | although it does have a vanilla look so nevermind |
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| 12:58.16 | Semlar | alright new plan, maybe these are in the db2 files |
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| 13:00.36 | mfgmfg | Semlar, i've noticed 123 shows up in the db2 files here and there |
| 13:00.51 | mfgmfg | maybe that's the maximum supported unit level |
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| 13:02.45 | Semlar | uiOrder seems to actually just be the appearanceID with 2 zeros after it |
| 13:03.48 | Semlar | well i guess that solves that mystery |
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| 13:05.40 | Semlar | i'm guessing it's like that so they can insert something between two appearances if they want to |
| 13:10.09 | Semlar | ah except this one has an appearanceID of 31039 and a uiOrder of 2602700 |
| 13:10.10 | VIad | max level was 255 in vanilla |
| 13:10.17 | VIad | technically speaking |
| 13:10.35 | VIad | 123 seems random |
| 13:10.48 | Semlar | 123 is like asdf |
| 13:10.58 | Semlar | they just typed something |
| 13:11.24 | VIad | thats not good :( |
| 13:13.14 | VIad | I always use 1337 for placeholder :p |
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| 13:15.08 | Tentacled | So... the plot thickens. Can any of you run /run QueryAuctionItems("",nil,nil,0,0,0,false,false) and tell me how many results the Blizzard UI shows? |
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| 13:16.05 | Tentacled | I'm getting 1839 here, 1826 on another realm, so all oddly close to the 2k item cache limit... |
| 13:16.20 | Tentacled | Despite one AH having 50k+ items and the other 30k |
| 13:16.28 | maunot | 1835 ;p |
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| 13:18.37 | VIad | but isnt the item cache buggy atm? |
| 13:18.44 | VIad | corrupting itself and what not |
| 13:19.17 | Semlar | it's pretty obvious when the item cache has been corrupted |
| 13:19.44 | Semlar | it just starts giving you item tooltips for completely different items |
| 13:20.42 | Tentacled | Ah-ha. Another 1800-ish. |
| 13:20.52 | Tentacled | Anyone else? |
| 13:21.18 | Tentacled | I'm trying to find out WHAT I'm seeing with that query :> Is it "all cached items on AH", "newest entries" or what... |
| 13:22.41 | VIad | I have had several issues with some tips just not loading at all and I have the transmog shop addon :p |
| 13:24.01 | Semlar | to be honest i'm surprised you can even still run a full scan on the auction house considering how much of an advantage that gives people using addons over someone trying to use the default auction house |
| 13:24.32 | Tentacled | Semlar: if the default AH didn't suck... <_< no built-in "per item" pricing, come on. |
| 13:24.55 | Semlar | the default auction house does suck and i won't even use it without an addon |
| 13:24.59 | Tentacled | Addons are pretty much the reason the AH is even useful. |
| 13:25.33 | VIad | just searching for one item is hell, default UI does not group up and narrow the list to "this is the cheapest item X" and instead lists all the individual items |
| 13:25.35 | foxlit | Leave people playing addon-assisted Excel alone, you monster. What's next, removing gold rewards from garrison missions? |
| 13:25.37 | Semlar | but that's partially because you can't even sort auctions by per item pricing and people just fill it with pages of single items to screw with people |
| 13:26.15 | VIad | single item thing is tactical. what if you do have the nice price per item, but you bundle it up and someone doesnt need that many items, they would not buy from you |
| 13:26.25 | Semlar | it's bullshit is what it is |
| 13:26.41 | VIad | many sell 200 cloth, if you only need 50, its maybe cheaper for you to buy someone else selling the single items or smaller stacks |
| 13:26.43 | Semlar | people doing that should get their account suspended |
| 13:26.57 | Semlar | you literally can't use the auction house without an addon when someone is doing that |
| 13:27.03 | VIad | 200 cloth for 1g per, but you bought 20 cloth for 2g per because it was the amount you needed |
| 13:27.05 | VIad | jupp |
| 13:27.18 | VIad | I blame the AH UI being outdated |
| 13:27.47 | VIad | it should automatically group items up and have a button to expand the row into details (individual AH) |
| 13:28.08 | VIad | atm people are using bots and external tools to just run a AH bot all day long |
| 13:28.13 | VIad | if you really want to make money :p |
| 13:28.42 | VIad | its just like the stock exchange |
| 13:28.55 | VIad | you setup a bot with rules, it scans the market and trades based on those rules |
| 13:28.59 | Semlar | command shows 1835 items btw |
| 13:29.01 | mfgmfg | 1825 Tentacled |
| 13:29.19 | VIad | I am at work but I am going to guestimate it would show 1830 |
| 13:29.29 | Semlar | you can't just make up a number vlad |
| 13:29.37 | VIad | aww |
| 13:29.47 | VIad | but 1830 is a real number |
| 13:29.56 | Semlar | you know that doesn't count |
| 13:30.05 | VIad | number shaming |
| 13:31.14 | newbie | what does that 2K limit mean really..? I thought I overheard someone in trade or such talking of that earlier.. can't really be any limit causing loss if 2k+ items in mail, on AH or such tho...rite? (ive had 5k+ expired auctions, on many chars even,quite often.. may total the same amt on some atm if only bothered with it all,urgh.. |
| 13:31.36 | VIad | they are talking about the local item cache |
| 13:31.50 | VIad | storing data from the serve rso it doesnt have to ask it again each time |
| 13:32.13 | newbie | oh..k;sorry I guess mighta been totally unrelated, then |
| 13:32.36 | VIad | but next time just write {g1} as reply :3 |
| 13:32.42 | VIad | like {g1}{g1}{g1}{g1}... |
| 13:33.14 | Semlar | what's the function that just gives you the auction results as a giant table |
| 13:34.26 | Tentacled | There isn't one. |
| 13:34.38 | Semlar | that doesn't sound right |
| 13:34.50 | Tentacled | There's GetAuctionItemInfo("list",rownum) which queries the results. |
| 13:35.03 | Semlar | which one gives you the number of results |
| 13:35.03 | VIad | you mean the 15 min api to get all the AH data? |
| 13:35.31 | Tentacled | And there's QueryAuctionItems that queries and makes results available for GAII. |
| 13:35.46 | VIad | 15 min CD On it right? |
| 13:36.27 | Tentacled | Only if you run it in "full" mode, with its 7th arg set to true. |
| 13:37.48 | VIad | hehe, DelCatNet |
| 13:38.03 | Semlar | i called it with no arguments and got 9321 results |
| 13:38.10 | Semlar | on the beta server so |
| 13:38.26 | Semlar | probably the whole auction house |
| 13:40.58 | Semlar | i accept donations in the form of rocket chickens |
| 13:41.05 | Semlar | btw |
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| 13:41.38 | bluipodcow | \o |
| 13:42.00 | Semlar | 106503 results on my server |
| 13:42.05 | bluipodcow | What do ? |
| 13:42.46 | Semlar | it do, bluipodcow, it do. |
| 13:43.04 | bluipodcow | So how many total downloads has MaxCam got ? And are the counts on wowace.com and curse.com for each site or are they combined somehow ? |
| 13:43.09 | bluipodcow | I r confuseded! |
| 13:43.25 | VIad | does maxcam use the exploit? |
| 13:43.26 | Semlar | same backend so presumably the same downloads |
| 13:43.28 | Semlar | yep |
| 13:43.35 | VIad | why would you make an actual addon for that? |
| 13:43.45 | Semlar | for curse points |
| 13:44.02 | VIad | its like actively contributing to doing things you arent supposed to |
| 13:44.14 | VIad | gray area kind of cheating |
| 13:44.44 | Semlar | i mean it's very obviously something they don't want you doing, but i guess that doesn't fall under the curse rules |
| 13:45.12 | bluipodcow | The numbers are different tho Semarang. |
| 13:45.13 | bluipodcow | Woah |
| 13:45.22 | bluipodcow | Epic misspelling of semlar |
| 13:45.25 | Semlar | the numbers are always different |
| 13:45.32 | bluipodcow | Can you make a toon called Semarang now ? |
| 13:45.38 | Semlar | they have a bizarre caching system |
| 13:45.42 | bluipodcow | Ahhh |
| 13:45.43 | VIad | what is curses policy regarding such addons? |
| 13:45.47 | bluipodcow | So which is the true one |
| 13:45.52 | bluipodcow | 12k ? |
| 13:45.53 | Semlar | like the monthly downloads and the total downloads are different |
| 13:45.55 | bluipodcow | 13k ? |
| 13:45.58 | bluipodcow | 25k ? |
| 13:46.25 | Semlar | you'd have to guess, because the number listed was whatever the number of downloads was.. whenever it updated the cache |
| 13:46.30 | VIad | oh no, it's Ketho. I believed in you man. |
| 13:46.33 | newbie | any reason to fear addons besides those off Curse be any risky to get, like big sites (?) like wowinterface? |
| 13:46.44 | VIad | no addon is risky |
| 13:46.48 | bluipodcow | On wow ace.com 13,106 curse 12,790 . So how many downloads ? |
| 13:46.50 | VIad | if its on cuse/wowui |
| 13:46.55 | Ressy | VIad: That's not true. |
| 13:46.58 | VIad | oh? |
| 13:47.11 | Semlar | wowace's cache is probably updated more frequently |
| 13:47.12 | VIad | I thought they had good moderation policies |
| 13:47.13 | Ressy | No addon is risky unless you go into the files and start manually opening them up |
| 13:47.23 | newbie | I don't lke curse for a number of reasons, besides demanding email login, flashy ads, installing itself (leaving all kindsa traces) and depending on Windows for a bunch related, flashy big ads , by default set to stasrt itself with Windows etc..-- appears like shady-ware imo .. |
| 13:47.23 | bluipodcow | Last time I checked Curse have a moderation team newbie. |
| 13:47.23 | Ressy | If you let Wow open them, theyre fine. |
| 13:47.44 | Ressy | Addon authors have had their accounts hacked, and had trojans added to the files and uploaded to Curse & WowInterface before. |
| 13:47.46 | bluipodcow | Then use wowace.com newbie |
| 13:48.02 | bluipodcow | It's the back end for curse and I don't see any ads on it. |
| 13:48.11 | Semlar | it's only one of the backends |
| 13:48.17 | Ressy | Users were safe provided they didn't randomly open files in the addons. |
| 13:48.18 | bluipodcow | Yeah one of them |
| 13:48.18 | Semlar | there's also curseforge |
| 13:48.27 | newbie | hm. iirc the addon oQueue, which at some point/period at least was gr8ly popular and of huge use, banned from Curse simply because they subtly asked for donations for their work in their addon.. not sure if true, nor how they'd justify such rules (Curse), if actually are any,but.. |
| 13:48.47 | bluipodcow | But if an addon is on wowace/curse forge it's automatically on curse and vice versa |
| 13:48.49 | Ressy | newbie: That's a Blizzard addon policy. No asking for donations in-game. |
| 13:48.50 | newbie | oh..but Wowinterface.. that still also considered "legit"/"clean", too, right.:? |
| 13:48.50 | Semlar | it was removed from curse because asking for donations in-game is against the ToS |
| 13:49.06 | bluipodcow | The author of oQueue is a super asshole jerk tho |
| 13:49.11 | Ressy | lawlz |
| 13:49.11 | Semlar | that was probably the real reason |
| 13:49.16 | bluipodcow | Yep |
| 13:49.23 | Ressy | Yeah.. Nobody liked that douche |
| 13:49.23 | bluipodcow | Do not bit the hand that feeds you |
| 13:49.36 | Ressy | He stole addons, edited & tried hosting them |
| 13:49.45 | VIad | oh oqueue, he had a homepage and all, all went down the drain or? |
| 13:49.46 | [TOM_RUS] | oqueue was banned on curse because chaud was mad about it |
| 13:49.49 | newbie | Ressy: oh... k.. so I guess that explains their request to donate beer (in whatever ambiguous way-) just remember that bit of it still remained thru its lifetime tho.. |
| 13:49.50 | Ressy | then when we all bitched about copyright infringement, he refused to remove them. |
| 13:49.52 | bluipodcow | His name is now an insult amount the real addon author community |
| 13:49.58 | Ressy | someone smacked them later. and they got removed. |
| 13:50.20 | newbie | blueipodcow: oh..actually not the first time i hear bad things of whoever that author was, tho no idea what any of it actually was about.. but as Ifve heard it this many times by now I guess must be somehting in it :d |
| 13:50.25 | VIad | ah right. his site is still up it seems |
| 13:50.34 | VIad | icebox downloader |
| 13:51.06 | Ressy | He's the reason a lot of us changed our copyright assignments for addons. |
| 13:51.09 | Ressy | Making it more explicit |
| 13:51.41 | Semlar | oh right i almost forgot about that whole thing |
| 13:51.50 | Semlar | he tried to make his own addon site |
| 13:52.15 | VIad | its probably not good. saw the addon roster list, most are outdated addons. |
| 13:52.24 | Ressy | I think he was the one who contacted people via curse (and got banned) saying that if you didn't respond to the message, it meant you approved your addon being added to the site. |
| 13:52.25 | newbie | May I ask what motivates you guys to put so much time and effort into all this, even memorizing tons of wow-specific commands, resources for finding out more,debugging etc... no donating, not sure I understand their reasoning.. u must have some kinda income from it?-considering the massive user-base of many addons too wouldn't be too unreasonable of Blizz to kinda share a lil piece at least? =s |
| 13:52.39 | Semlar | ha, income |
| 13:52.43 | VIad | xD |
| 13:52.44 | bluipodcow | One can not understand the lure of coding |
| 13:52.45 | Semlar | everyone needs a hobby |
| 13:52.47 | bluipodcow | Before one has coded |
| 13:52.50 | bluipodcow | Once you have coded |
| 13:52.53 | bluipodcow | You never go back |
| 13:52.56 | bluipodcow | Right Ressy ? |
| 13:52.59 | Ressy | bah |
| 13:53.08 | bluipodcow | *hides* |
| 13:53.10 | VIad | as long you code using PHP |
| 13:53.16 | bluipodcow | Wat. |
| 13:53.23 | Ressy | I miss having time to actually play. |
| 13:53.32 | VIad | thats how I start hours of discussion on irc, bluipodcow |
| 13:53.39 | mfgmfg | we made addons to gain an advantage over other players so that we can get world firsts and get lucrative sponsorships and live on a boat in the sea |
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| 13:53.53 | Ressy | or just make money via Curse points |
| 13:53.53 | bluipodcow | I see Vlad. |
| 13:54.02 | newbie | oo.. k..cool..:) wel, besides donations.. may b , if whatever/as seen fit i guess, leave a note in addons to request for whatever other resources of some kind ya might need at some point,then. Pretty sure many would happily contribute,many unable to pay $ even, somehow.. -- if they could,and knowing ppl actually did this without payment |
| 13:54.06 | Ressy | I'm getting my ps2 going again via curse points. |
| 13:54.07 | VIad | I mostly just code stuff for myself, sometimes it seems useful for others to enjoy too so I upload it. |
| 13:54.16 | Semlar | nobody donates |
| 13:54.20 | Ressy | ^ |
| 13:54.25 | VIad | ^ |
| 13:54.31 | bluipodcow | ^ |
| 13:54.32 | Ketho | ^ |
| 13:54.34 | nevcairiel | the only time people donate is at the start of expansions or other huge breakking patches |
| 13:54.39 | bluipodcow | Are we in a forest of trees ? |
| 13:54.41 | nevcairiel | i actually got a couple the last two weeks |
| 13:54.48 | Semlar | ketho where's your donate button |
| 13:54.51 | Ressy | Or.. Patreon. |
| 13:54.54 | bluipodcow | Oh no ! A rock! |
| 13:54.56 | bluipodcow | * |
| 13:54.56 | nevcairiel | and i really need to figure out why my K key randomly rpeeats itself |
| 13:55.02 | nevcairiel | maybe them keyboard is dying |
| 13:55.05 | Semlar | you really should have added one |
| 13:55.08 | VIad | Ketho: add donate button to maxcam before it breaks |
| 13:55.08 | Ressy | mysticalos is getting some cash for dbm via Patreon. |
| 13:55.09 | Ketho | I had a pledgie like 4 years ago but nobody donated x) |
| 13:55.18 | mfgmfg | https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/maxcam#c53 hotfixes hitting servers? |
| 13:55.22 | nevcairiel | Yeah some people are pathetic enough to actually beg for money |
| 13:55.24 | VIad | write if they donate you will update the addon for next patch |
| 13:55.25 | newbie | hopefully at least find it worthwhile and all,somehow;however:) oh and if nothind else, maintain and keep up-to-date the.. "logic" of coding,basically (unsure..),I mean it likely being quite relatable to many other means of programming, besides few things to memorize, might already know much of alotta other things,too,by knowing to code them addons i guess |
| 13:55.34 | mfgmfg | seems odd that it'd be a server side thing though |
| 13:55.43 | bluipodcow | Hot fix already hit for US servers , reports are max am still going |
| 13:56.18 | Semlar | MoveViewInStart still works for me |
| 13:56.33 | Semlar | although this is wyrmrest |
| 13:56.42 | Semlar | surely it's not based on the server |
| 13:56.44 | bluipodcow | Maxam |
| 13:56.46 | Semlar | that wouldn't make any sense |
| 13:56.49 | bluipodcow | Like beta cam only more retro |
| 13:56.55 | mfgmfg | probably PEBKAC |
| 13:57.10 | bluipodcow | US server restarts are complete already |
| 13:57.24 | Semlar | i'm in the US |
| 13:57.26 | mfgmfg | yeah still working as far as i can tell. |
| 13:57.26 | nevcairiel | seems unlikely to be a server thing either way |
| 13:57.29 | newbie | nevcairiel: tell em/announce something like "it may be counter-producting giving to beggars as such. Porverty is best way to stimulate creativity to enable you motivation for eventually figuring to make ur own gold.Don't wanna make u dependant on others for ur survival.. No need for tnx tho; but u're welcome :P", "(.. - hopefully u will endure and come to understand^ - one day..)" |
| 13:57.33 | maunot | hmmh |
| 13:58.12 | Semlar | can't not read .. as concatenation |
| 13:58.38 | nevcairiel | i cant read this guy anyway, so unreadable |
| 13:58.39 | mfgmfg | i'm just reading the whole line as perl code |
| 13:58.46 | mfgmfg | makes the same amount of sense |
| 13:58.56 | newbie | nevcairiel: at least most, esp the seemingly "professional" and overly stubborn stuck beggars (not the occasional poor guy who'd just need a lil push, or random friendliness for once...may b a nice thing, too! but afraid usually not, for either party ) |
| 13:59.01 | maunot | if you do a SaveView(x) with MoveViewInStart-ish distances, SetView(x) will still zoom it back out there. Dunno if it gets saved in the cvars, though :p |
| 13:59.14 | mfgmfg | shh |
| 13:59.16 | Semlar | it does but i doubt it will keep it |
| 13:59.30 | Semlar | every time you log in it checks if your camera is farther than the max |
| 13:59.42 | maunot | well, after /reload it doesn't zoom it there, so I guess there's some sorta sanity check. |
| 14:00.45 | Semlar | i'm still surprised they didn't just remove every camera function back in wrath |
| 14:01.22 | foxlit | why... wrath? |
| 14:01.39 | nevcairiel | supposedly when AVR was being broken |
| 14:03.14 | Semlar | yeah |
| 14:03.40 | nevcairiel | suprisingly they went with a less invasive fix :p |
| 14:04.00 | foxlit | everything else would've involved more work. |
| 14:04.41 | Semlar | they took out some of the cvars, i'm not sure if they did anything to any functions |
| 14:05.00 | nevcairiel | just removed real-time camera information retrieval, as far as i can remember |
| 14:05.26 | Semlar | i mean there were only a couple cvars that would have to have been removed to break it |
| 14:06.48 | Semlar | you can't get the pitch or rotation of the camera now |
| 14:07.35 | Semlar | although you can sort of set them through api functions |
| 14:08.39 | maunot | yeah I think AVR could still work in a set pitch/yaw :p |
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| 14:10.32 | nevcairiel | did they roll back the beta to an earlier version? its at 22324 again now o.o |
| 14:10.45 | mfgmfg | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/Blizzard_ArtifactUI/Blizzard_ArtifactPowerButton.lua#30 -- GameTooltip:SetArtifactPowerByID, is that an internal function? |
| 14:10.53 | bluipodcow | Weird |
| 14:10.59 | Semlar | it's a tooltip function |
| 14:11.28 | mfgmfg | defined where? |
| 14:11.35 | Semlar | in the client |
| 14:11.39 | mfgmfg | urgh |
| 14:11.39 | bluipodcow | Ha ha |
| 14:11.47 | bluipodcow | PTR is now ahead of beta in versions |
| 14:11.50 | bluipodcow | http://us.patch.battle.net/wow_beta/versions |
| 14:11.54 | Semlar | like frame.SetSize etc |
| 14:11.55 | bluipodcow | http://us.patch.battle.net/wowt/versions |
| 14:12.03 | nevcairiel | didnt we go over that yesterday? tooltips are practically entirely C =P |
| 14:13.07 | mfgmfg | PTR has MoveViewInStart fixed, negative value works but it caps at max distance |
| 14:13.28 | mfgmfg | wait, nvm |
| 14:13.32 | mfgmfg | there was something behind the camera |
| 14:13.34 | Thunder_Child | Not everyone is always in the channel nevcairiel. |
| 14:13.44 | mfgmfg | Thunder_Child, no, nevcairiel did go over it when i was here |
| 14:14.37 | mfgmfg | just not 100% sure how to tell if there's lua code for the function somewhere or if it's internal |
| 14:14.50 | nevcairiel | frame functions like that are all internal in C |
| 14:15.28 | foxlit | but with mixins, who the fuck knows whether widget:SetBlargToMaximum(-two) is a frame function or not. |
| 14:15.32 | nevcairiel | now .. what broke my cooldown display? |
| 14:15.35 | Semlar | yeah, mixins ruin everything |
| 14:16.08 | mfgmfg | random(users_in_channel) |
| 14:16.11 | mfgmfg | that's who |
| 14:16.17 | Semlar | me |
| 14:16.19 | Semlar | i did it |
| 14:16.24 | nevcairiel | if you start a cooldown on an item, then reboot and login again, it appears it breaks the cooldown counter |
| 14:16.26 | foxlit | you did it? |
| 14:16.36 | nevcairiel | does it still track them based on uptime? |
| 14:17.11 | Semlar | i remember some of the cooldowns addons actually caching the start of the cooldown rather than checking repeatedly what it's supposed to be |
| 14:17.13 | foxlit | That's a life-in-prison-without-possibility-of-parole for you then, Semlar. |
| 14:17.28 | Semlar | i personally just do everything on update |
| 14:18.04 | Semlar | although that's probably why my addon is using 12mb of memory right now |
| 14:19.05 | Shockah|Work | ...what's your addon? |
| 14:19.19 | Semlar | http://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/crackcooldown |
| 14:19.32 | Shockah|Work | i mean, i only ever made one addon, but i didn't even hit 500 KB |
| 14:19.39 | mfgmfg | i wonder what i need to re-implement the tooltip on my own |
| 14:19.46 | Semlar | you should try calling a function that returns a giant table OnUpdate for every action button |
| 14:19.47 | Shockah|Work | and i have no idea how on update by itself would do that |
| 14:20.08 | mfgmfg | because right now this is happening http://i.imgur.com/jUckh7M.png |
| 14:20.59 | Semlar | to be fair, it only grows until the garbage collector decides it's time to run and then its memory goes way down |
| 14:21.19 | Shockah|Work | table.wipe it so the users don't complain lol |
| 14:21.22 | foxlit | I have an excellent solution for you. |
| 14:21.35 | foxlit | Run the garbage collector in onupdate too. |
| 14:21.41 | Semlar | i like where this is going |
| 14:22.12 | bluipodcow | Make sure to play the Nyan cat song before garbage collecting to. Also OnUpdate |
| 14:22.24 | Semlar | i'm still considering replacing the GetAddonMemoryUsage function with one that returns 0 for my addon |
| 14:22.40 | Shockah|Work | ...didn't think of that. |
| 14:22.55 | foxlit | why not -42? |
| 14:23.00 | nevcairiel | maybe you should stop generating so much garbage |
| 14:23.03 | Semlar | well 0 makes it stop appearing in the tooltip |
| 14:23.08 | nevcairiel | because constant memory is fine, garbage is questionable =p |
| 14:23.13 | Semlar | i'm not sure what -42 would do |
| 14:23.26 | maunot | you'd get more! |
| 14:23.34 | Semlar | there's nothing i can do about the garbage if i want that information nevcairiel |
| 14:23.54 | maunot | reuse tables! |
| 14:24.02 | Semlar | the function literally returns a table |
| 14:24.12 | Semlar | that's what's creating the garbage |
| 14:24.14 | maunot | oh right is it a blizzard function? |
| 14:24.26 | Semlar | it's GetSpellPowerCost |
| 14:24.48 | Semlar | and since spells can change their power cost, i can't just cache it |
| 14:25.08 | Thunder_Child | I realized the other day that I am using about 500MB less of ram use in wow now than I was in BC with the same functionality. |
| 14:25.09 | maunot | oh right, now I remember. They ought to have a table to use as arg :p |
| 14:25.10 | Semlar | i could go back to scanning the tooltips, which used a lot less memory, but i'm fairly sure used more cpu |
| 14:26.21 | Semlar | as far as i can tell this has no impact on my frame rate so i'm not too worried about it |
| 14:26.39 | Simca | scanning tooltips bothers the server too |
| 14:26.44 | Semlar | it's just that it makes the number in the tooltip go up and up and up |
| 14:26.47 | maunot | yeah it's the users concerned about their precious memory usage :p |
| 14:27.17 | nevcairiel | i would personally be worried too if my usage would increment constantly and just stop using such an addon :D |
| 14:27.32 | Semlar | see? that's why i need to hide its memory usage! |
| 14:27.40 | Semlar | >_> |
| 14:27.46 | nevcairiel | i would be even mroe worried if semlar stats messing with everything |
| 14:27.57 | maunot | make it some other addons' memory! Surely you could proxy that table somehow |
| 14:28.08 | Simca | but you probably would never notice unless you delved into the code of every addon you installed |
| 14:28.18 | Simca | so don't validate Semlar's approach |
| 14:28.20 | Simca | lol |
| 14:28.49 | Semlar | it would look a little weird if i just removed it from the tooltip though, so i should return a number |
| 14:28.58 | Simca | 4.2 |
| 14:30.26 | Semlar | maybe with a little variance so people don't get suspicious |
| 14:30.57 | Semlar | who am i kidding nobody uses my addons |
| 14:31.14 | Simca | make your addon's memory usage return a running average |
| 14:31.23 | Simca | over like... a minute |
| 14:31.39 | Simca | then people still have A) real metrics that are almost legitimate |
| 14:31.48 | Simca | B) won't be suspicious |
| 14:32.09 | Semlar | i could return 50kb and it would be about what it was using before |
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| 14:32.13 | maunot | C) taint! ... ? |
| 14:32.16 | bluipodcow | Nah |
| 14:32.22 | bluipodcow | Return 5 cupcakes |
| 14:32.26 | bluipodcow | For the LOLZ |
| 14:32.33 | Semlar | i wonder if i could return a string |
| 14:32.43 | Semlar | i should check how they format it |
| 14:32.49 | bluipodcow | Return a library book |
| 14:32.55 | nevcairiel | you do realize there are addons that use that API |
| 14:33.16 | Semlar | what are they doin with my mems |
| 14:33.17 | foxlit | I think nobody is seriously considering anything. |
| 14:33.20 | bluipodcow | You'll probably find another way blizzard have not santizied inputs or thought about buffer overflow issues in a function |
| 14:33.40 | Semlar | oh good point probably best not to look |
| 14:33.55 | maunot | you can look, but don't tell anyone! |
| 14:37.15 | mfgmfg | okay looks like GameTooltip:SetSpellByID(id) has what i need except for rank information, i can get that and insert in there |
| 14:39.30 | Semlar | do spells still have ranks |
| 14:39.40 | mfgmfg | artifact spells yes |
| 14:40.27 | Simca | those aren't ranks in the typical sense of 'ranks' |
| 14:40.32 | VIad | you are able to lock the camera pitch by using the pitchlimit cvar |
| 14:40.46 | VIad | one could maybe make AVR work at preset increments as the player keeps their camera locked there |
| 14:40.55 | Semlar | you could control the camera but nobody is going to play like that |
| 14:41.14 | VIad | no but it could be used like strat time :D |
| 14:41.20 | VIad | or other type of augmented info |
| 14:41.20 | Semlar | oh god |
| 14:41.31 | VIad | for the sake of having the 3d illusion |
| 14:41.42 | Semlar | i'm picturing an addon sending out comm messages that sets everyone's camera at once |
| 14:41.59 | VIad | :d |
| 14:42.04 | Semlar | and then you could draw on the world for them |
| 14:42.07 | Semlar | like madden |
| 14:42.09 | VIad | yes |
| 14:42.13 | VIad | madden 2016 |
| 14:42.33 | VIad | just because its not a perfect implementation of AR |
| 14:42.38 | VIad | doesnt mean it wouldnt have its uses |
| 14:42.39 | Semlar | unless someone's camera runs into something and then they see the wrong stuff |
| 14:43.18 | Semlar | the api function to get its zoom distance does not account for that btw |
| 14:43.27 | VIad | ye |
| 14:43.34 | Semlar | it just returns what the camera is supposed to be zoomed out to |
| 14:43.44 | VIad | I wish they would fix that effect |
| 14:43.55 | Simca | meh |
| 14:43.57 | Semlar | the camera should just go through walls |
| 14:44.01 | VIad | in other games they often make areas fade a bit to avoid having it look like a collision |
| 14:44.02 | nevcairiel | blizzard sa id back then if someone found a way to make AVR again they would take more drastic measures to get it broken |
| 14:44.24 | VIad | guildwars tries to fade out what ever is in the way like foliage, trees, and such |
| 14:44.36 | Semlar | someone did a long time ago using nameplates, i don't remember what they called it but it never went anywhere |
| 14:44.39 | VIad | but indicates it with the fade, so you know, and its less annoying |
| 14:45.00 | VIad | you can probably still do that considering nameplates are even better than ever :d |
| 14:45.15 | Semlar | you could, it just wouldn't be a good idea |
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| 14:45.50 | Simca | nobody wants to bother with trying to reimplement AVR, even though there are probably ways to do it, just because it's a lot of wasted time |
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| 14:45.56 | Simca | because they know blizzard will fix it |
| 14:46.17 | Semlar | it would be such a pain to implement too |
| 14:46.35 | Semlar | you'd have to like use math and stuff |
| 14:47.04 | Simca | i mean the net result would be: hours if not days of time spent in order to reduce the capabilities of the WoW API |
| 14:47.09 | Simca | ultimate lose-lose situation |
| 14:47.48 | bluipodcow | So how does this MoveViewOutStart bug expoilt thing work anyhow ? |
| 14:47.57 | Semlar | it's MoveViewInStart |
| 14:48.09 | Semlar | and it works with a negative number |
| 14:48.27 | Semlar | presumably they aren't checking whether you've zoomed out past the max distance when you're zooming the camera "in" |
| 14:48.33 | Simca | yep |
| 14:48.33 | bluipodcow | Some kind of buffer overflow error meaning you can set the camera distance to w/e you want ? |
| 14:48.58 | foxlit | who are you calling a buffer?! |
| 14:48.58 | Simca | what semlar said explains it |
| 14:49.18 | Semlar | i think it's just flat out not bothering to check against the max camera distance since the function is for zooming in |
| 14:49.31 | Semlar | but accepts a negative acceleration value |
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| 14:50.30 | Semlar | it's optimized! |
| 14:50.38 | bluipodcow | So you give that function a negative value |
| 14:50.46 | bluipodcow | And it's like zoom out however far you like LOL! |
| 14:50.51 | Semlar | yes |
| 14:51.05 | Semlar | it just keeps zooming out |
| 14:51.16 | bluipodcow | .... |
| 14:51.21 | Semlar | until you call MoveViewInStop |
| 14:51.22 | mfgmfg | having two different contexts for artifacts (weapons & archaeology) gets confusing sometimes |
| 14:51.23 | Simca | it's an acceleration function, hence the 'Start' part. if you do MoveViewInStart(-1), it zooms out by -1 of some kind of unit per second forever |
| 14:51.35 | Simca | (or use your binds for zoom, Semlar) |
| 14:51.43 | Semlar | to be fair those binds just call that |
| 14:52.18 | Semlar | they don't even need 2 zoom functions if they accept negative values >_> |
| 14:53.52 | Semlar | you can just do like /run MoveViewInStart(-50) C_Timer.After(0.1, MoveViewInStop) |
| 14:54.51 | Simca | yes |
| 14:55.24 | Simca | some dude on reddit yesterday was claiming GetCameraZoom was vital for the trick |
| 14:55.52 | Semlar | when i'm playing my rogue i don't even have my camera zoomed out to the current max |
| 14:55.53 | Simca | and it has nothing to do with it, you can zoom to any distance with just MoveView functions and a timer |
| 14:56.46 | VIad | GetCameraZoom() helps figure out when to stop moving :p |
| 14:56.56 | VIad | or to calculate speed if distance y ou want to go is large |
| 14:57.28 | Semlar | but the distance is pretty much an arbitrary number, you may as well use time as a unit of camera zoom |
| 14:58.26 | Semlar | well, assuming it zooms out to approximately the same distance when you stop it after the same amount of time |
| 14:59.18 | maunot | it's pretty accurate, even when doing the zoom in one frame |
| 14:59.42 | mckenziemc | does your car always stop in the same place when you drive it for 5 minutes? |
| 14:59.50 | nevcairiel | Yes. |
| 14:59.56 | Semlar | at a constant rate of speed in a straight line? |
| 15:00.13 | Semlar | maybe |
| 15:00.19 | Semlar | i don't know about my car |
| 15:02.27 | VIad | isnt the camera distance yards? |
| 15:02.27 | mckenziemc | who drives your car back to the starting point, Semlar? |
| 15:02.41 | VIad | did some tests on the beta and it seemed like it was very accurate to yards |
| 15:02.46 | Thunder_Child | The tow truck. |
| 15:03.05 | Semlar | i just stick my feet through the floorboards like the flintstones |
| 15:03.05 | bluipodcow | Sanity check please = http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20747915389?page=3#post-51 |
| 15:03.27 | Semlar | they really need to fix their site to scroll to the post specified |
| 15:03.39 | Thunder_Child | It worked for me Semlar. |
| 15:03.53 | VIad | yeah, seems like getcamerazoom units are yards |
| 15:04.09 | Semlar | my point was that it doesn't matter what the distance is |
| 15:04.23 | mckenziemc | depends how it works |
| 15:05.01 | Semlar | if i like a particular zoom, and i get that zoom using a certain acceleration and time, i don't need the function that returns the distance |
| 15:05.44 | mckenziemc | if your starting point is always the same |
| 15:05.59 | mckenziemc | unless the function works on a different model |
| 15:06.48 | Semlar | bluipodcow: they already patched it out, they just haven't applied the hotfix yet |
| 15:07.08 | mckenziemc | x = x0 + v0 t + 1/2 a t^2 has the x0 term for a reason |
| 15:07.52 | Semlar | having this addon and then having it taken away again is just going to serve to make these people angrier |
| 15:08.22 | mckenziemc | people like to get angry over their own stupidity |
| 15:08.31 | Semlar | they need time to adjust to the new limit |
| 15:09.35 | Semlar | having that limit removed is like bringing an addict another fix |
| 15:09.41 | mckenziemc | what's their value for a? |
| 15:10.13 | mckenziemc | 10^-6 ? |
| 15:10.26 | Semlar | they're going to have to go through withdrawal again |
| 15:10.59 | VIad | best is to reduce it in increments |
| 15:11.02 | VIad | shrug 20% off |
| 15:11.06 | VIad | next expansion, 20% addition |
| 15:11.24 | Semlar | yeah, i was thinking what they should have done was move the camera limit forward by like 1 yard every day |
| 15:11.44 | Simca | hey foxlit, how does townlong yak handle 'upgrades' like the recent beta build |
| 15:11.57 | Semlar | until it's at the new cap |
| 15:12.15 | myno | people get angry about it because the reason for the removal is just bad, instead of just making it more accessible via ingame slider |
| 15:12.49 | Simca | blizzard's logic here is pretty weird |
| 15:13.00 | Simca | i mean i can see their point, but where do you stop with logic like that |
| 15:13.16 | Simca | professional SC:BW tournaments didn't allow widescreen monitors for YEARS |
| 15:13.23 | Simca | because it was too much of an advantage |
| 15:13.27 | Semlar | frankly the game looks better with the new limit |
| 15:13.34 | Simca | but 99.99% of people would think that is stupid |
| 15:13.50 | Semlar | nobody would play at this limit IF the cap were still 50 yards |
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| 15:14.04 | Semlar | because they'd feel obligated to zoom out |
| 15:14.15 | Semlar | because you get more information that way |
| 15:14.24 | Simca | would they really though? |
| 15:14.24 | VIad | 3???x1440 screens have more vertical camera, like the old one |
| 15:14.27 | Semlar | yes |
| 15:14.47 | Simca | yeah, you can spread the screen across 3 monitors atm and you get a substantial amount of information |
| 15:14.58 | Simca | probably as much as at the old zoom, at least horizontally |
| 15:14.59 | Semlar | i would not play at this zoom level simply because zooming out farther gives you more information |
| 15:15.08 | Semlar | if it were available, i'd zoom out |
| 15:15.15 | Simca | so when are they going to break 3 monitor setups? |
| 15:15.17 | Semlar | that's the same reason they wanted to remove water walking from striders |
| 15:15.20 | Simca | because that's exactly the same |
| 15:15.41 | Semlar | you feel obligated to use the mount because it's simply better |
| 15:15.48 | Semlar | it offers an advantage over other mounts |
| 15:16.00 | Semlar | you aren't going to use anything else because it does something extra |
| 15:16.15 | Simca | i understand their logic semlar, but how can you draw a line |
| 15:16.39 | Simca | 3-screen resolutions give you a huge advantage too, but they are still allowed |
| 15:16.51 | Semlar | i don't know, because every time they try to take something out they end up waffling on it because people get pissy |
| 15:17.03 | mckenziemc | if you can't draw a line, then there's going to be inconsistency |
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| 15:17.16 | Semlar | flying, water walking, this camera issue? we'll see if it sticks |
| 15:17.54 | Semlar | it may be better for the experience of the game, but if people just continue to complain about it, they may not leave it this way |
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| 15:19.58 | Simca | the inconsistency in what they are allowing is what will hurt them the most here |
| 15:20.29 | Simca | because their argument is weak as long as they allow things similar to the higher zoom (like extremely high resolutions) |
| 15:21.01 | Simca | if they want to be taken seriously, they need to limit resolutions at the same time |
| 15:21.18 | Semlar | higher resolutions only affect the left and right available screen space |
| 15:21.34 | Semlar | the wider the viewport, the more you can see to the sides |
| 15:21.47 | Simca | so? just because it doesn't affect all four directions doesn't mean it isn't an advantage |
| 15:21.49 | mckenziemc | visual detail, not space |
| 15:22.21 | mckenziemc | aspect ratio affects the horizontal space (vertical is fixed at 60 degrees?) |
| 15:22.30 | Semlar | it is considerably less useful than seeing more vertical space |
| 15:22.54 | Simca | is it really? in every context? |
| 15:23.08 | Semlar | usually, might depend on the situation |
| 15:23.43 | Simca | blizzard is just upset that they'll lose players if they can no longer use setups that they have specifically designed for this game |
| 15:23.56 | Semlar | if you consider how your camera is going to be tilted in a raid, it would be unusual for being able to see more to the sides to offer much advantage |
| 15:24.09 | Simca | that is probably true |
| 15:24.17 | Semlar | whereas being able to have more vertical view would let you see more of what's in front of you |
| 15:24.40 | Simca | but honestly, i don't see the camera issue as being of biggest impact in the raids, despite what others have said on the subject |
| 15:24.56 | Semlar | i have not raided with it |
| 15:25.02 | Thunder_Child | Not for most people. |
| 15:25.17 | Semlar | i have played through dungeons and the camera distance has made no difference to me |
| 15:25.18 | Simca | there are a few people who need awareness of the entire room, and those people will be affected - some healers, tanks, the raid leader |
| 15:25.33 | Semlar | i don't even look at the game when i'm healing |
| 15:25.33 | Simca | but for most people, raiding will be basically identical |
| 15:25.51 | Semlar | it's nothing but playing whack-a-mole with unit frames |
| 15:25.52 | Simca | it depends on the fight, sometimes distance is a critical aspect |
| 15:26.03 | Semlar | pfft i'm sure there's addons for taht |
| 15:26.07 | Semlar | that |
| 15:26.18 | Simca | yes, but sometimes line of sight is also an issue, and addons can't handle that |
| 15:26.19 | Thunder_Child | To be fair, I dislike it simply because I generally played with the game zoomed all the way out no matter where I was. |
| 15:26.31 | Thunder_Child | It just made things easier. |
| 15:26.34 | Semlar | i may as well play the game with my eyes closed |
| 15:26.46 | Thunder_Child | most things easier* |
| 15:26.54 | Simca | GL for durumu |
| 15:27.31 | Simca | there's your next challenge semlar. calculate based on the distance of your raid members and the damage they have taken from the fog what the optimal route for movement is |
| 15:27.32 | Semlar | i wish i was recording when i used disengage to prevent myself from being knocked off with durumu's gaze |
| 15:27.38 | Semlar | that was mad skillz |
| 15:27.45 | Simca | and then indicate it via audio cues |
| 15:27.52 | Semlar | it instantly kills you if you leave the platform so it was crazy timing |
| 15:27.53 | Simca | so players can do durumu with their eyes closed |
| 15:28.28 | slink | is there a way to programmatically show an item on your player? (e.g. ctrl+click an item) |
| 15:28.41 | Semlar | durumu is THE reason i made an addon that told me when i was out of range of my healers on my hunter |
| 15:28.51 | Simca | sure, you can call the same function blizzard uses, slink |
| 15:29.07 | Thunder_Child | Yea Simca, Blizzard is not properly making the game available to people with visual handicaps. |
| 15:29.21 | Simca | slink: DressUpItemLink |
| 15:29.25 | slink | thank you |
| 15:29.30 | Thunder_Child | Play the whole thing with audio cues. |
| 15:29.47 | Simca | yes i need to RP being atramedes |
| 15:30.05 | Thunder_Child | or braille perhaps |
| 15:31.16 | Simca | i went to look up where i used it in my addon, and the first line is -- Insecurely hook DressUpItemLink |
| 15:31.25 | Simca | and the second line is -- DO WE EVEN WANT THIS FUNCTIONALITY? WHY? |
| 15:31.46 | Simca | good stuff |
| 15:34.31 | Simca | foxlit, anyway the question i was going to ask before i forgot - how does townlong yak handle blizzard being weird with 'upgrades'. beta just went from build 22293 -> 22345 -> 22324 |
| 15:34.54 | Simca | and in the builds, first 4 lua files changed (to 22345) and then 5 lua files changed (back to 22324) |
| 15:35.22 | Simca | is it smart enough to reorder the builds and understand what changed at what points? |
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| 15:36.38 | Simca | oh, i lied, the first build it was on was 22306, not 22293 |
| 15:37.28 | VIad | did a TW back again, lets read |
| 15:38.27 | karl_w_w | group stages VIad :D |
| 15:38.37 | VIad | !!! |
| 15:38.39 | VIad | omw |
| 15:39.29 | karl_w_w | 22 mins to stream |
| 15:39.36 | karl_w_w | then 30 more mins to first game |
| 15:41.46 | slink | Simca: i added a button to Auctioneer's Apprasial window to show the item on myself |
| 15:46.12 | Hazal | With the new nameplate api, where the nameplates are units, would it be possible to have multiple people in for example a BG on the same team, to collect the data about the range to each enemy player, and then figure out their location on the map and add icons for enemy players? |
| 15:46.48 | Semlar | yes |
| 15:47.14 | [TOM_RUS] | in before fun nerfed |
| 15:48.20 | Semlar | you could have done it before to a lesser degree, either way would be relatively complex to write |
| 15:48.42 | Simca | BattlegroundTargets does something sort of like this but without the mapping |
| 15:48.58 | Simca | it tracks enemy HP/mana/etc |
| 15:49.57 | Hazal | Well it just checks if you're in range of the player(s) |
| 15:49.58 | Simca | and displays mini unit frames for the entire enemy team, tries to populate them with valid data when it can |
| 15:50.33 | Simca | yeah, but it might be easier to modify it to have this functionality instead of writing an entire new addon |
| 15:50.34 | Simca | idk |
| 15:50.45 | Hazal | Battleground targets isn't real unitframes, it's just a bar that represents a cached amount of health and a targetmacro created before combat |
| 15:50.50 | Simca | right |
| 15:50.56 | Simca | it's fake unit frames |
| 15:51.55 | Simca | if it hasn't been, it could be updated for 7.0 to take advantage of the many new units it can scan for that data to cache |
| 15:51.59 | VIad | nothing is too complex when curse points are on the line |
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| 15:54.16 | Hazal | But I'm presuming from my mathematical knowledge that you would need 2 or more people to get range data to be able to know the enemies location |
| 15:55.38 | Andols2 | Isn't it 3 ppl? And can you also expand the range to show nameplates? |
| 15:58.45 | maunot | two is sufficient if you have angles to work with, but with range alone, don't really know if any number of people can get the exact location. It'd only get narrowed down to where all the range-circles intersect, right? :P |
| 16:00.09 | nevcairiel | if the distance is very accurate then 3 people would result in one intersection, ie. the location |
| 16:00.20 | Andols | I think so, but can you get the angle to a "nameplate" |
| 16:00.22 | Semlar | distance won't be very accurate though |
| 16:00.29 | nevcairiel | but with inaccurate distances, just keep adding more people to increase the accuracy |
| 16:00.45 | Hazal | Yeah the distance won't be accurate to the enemies |
| 16:00.51 | Hazal | Also does any of you know if the cvar nameplateMaxDistance is for the edge of your hitbox or from the center? |
| 16:01.04 | nevcairiel | but 3 people would still yield a broad angle towards the enemy |
| 16:01.31 | Semlar | it's from the center of the player to the center of the unit as far as i know |
| 16:02.35 | Simca | it's to the center of the unit for sure, not sure about from the player |
| 16:03.11 | Simca | i'm not sure accurate enemy locations is really important here |
| 16:03.22 | Hazal | So if two taurens were dueling and had their nameplate distance to 40 yards, then their nameplates would disappear before they would lose the ability to cast spells on eachother (40 yard spells) |
| 16:03.33 | Simca | yes |
| 16:03.35 | Semlar | 3 people would be enough to give you a fairly good idea of the area the unit is in |
| 16:03.59 | Simca | in a battleground, the important decisions are made based on how many enemy units are in what locations |
| 16:04.05 | Simca | in order to reinforce properly |
| 16:04.18 | Simca | not necessarily their exact positions |
| 16:04.19 | Semlar | to be honest i thought they disabled coordinate functions in pvp areas |
| 16:04.30 | Semlar | they did in the arena |
| 16:04.49 | Hazal | I have an addon which tracks the respawn timer of powerups in BGs which I use in rated matches |
| 16:05.02 | Hazal | And I can accurately get location information from friendly units |
| 16:05.05 | Semlar | you really shouldn't be able to get coordinates in battlegrounds |
| 16:05.20 | Simca | how would their battleground maps work otherwise, semlar |
| 16:05.37 | Simca | those battlefield HUD things have been in the game since forever |
| 16:05.48 | Simca | pretty sure they're not C-side either |
| 16:05.49 | Semlar | arenas have no maps |
| 16:05.57 | Semlar | so this would be battlegrounds only |
| 16:06.06 | Hazal | Well arenas are so small they only need a minimap :) |
| 16:06.29 | Simca | 22345 just went live on live |
| 16:06.41 | nevcairiel | finally |
| 16:06.41 | Simca | is the camera trick dead? |
| 16:06.52 | Semlar | would i have to restart the gaem |
| 16:06.55 | nevcairiel | 345 is a couple days old, so probably not |
| 16:06.59 | Hazal | Will I lose my low orbit camera when I restart the game then? |
| 16:07.15 | Simca | no semlar, loading new addon files is too hard, but loading a new exe while using the existing one is easy |
| 16:07.21 | Simca | clearly you can keep playing |
| 16:07.28 | Semlar | ok |
| 16:07.41 | Simca | bonks Semlar |
| 16:07.43 | Semlar | to be fair they could load new addon files they just don't want to |
| 16:07.52 | Simca | true |
| 16:08.10 | Andols | They probably do at the office ;) |
| 16:08.48 | Semlar | downloading 78.84 MB @ 0 B/s |
| 16:08.57 | nevcairiel | mine was only 68.22 |
| 16:09.02 | Semlar | :( |
| 16:09.09 | nevcairiel | but its done now |
| 16:09.27 | Semlar | i got 10mb of special secret semlar content |
| 16:09.39 | Simca | camera trick still works |
| 16:09.40 | nevcairiel | extra safety checks in all functions |
| 16:09.42 | Semlar | probably extra security measures |
| 16:10.24 | Simca | not surprising though, it probably takes a couple days for stuff like dan's hotfix to get vetted |
| 16:10.36 | Andols | TheDanW put a backdoor to your client! |
| 16:10.46 | Semlar | o.o |
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| 16:13.43 | Semlar | oh god i broke my map what have i done |
| 16:13.50 | Andols | I thought hotfixes was server only, when did they start to "hotfix" the client? |
| 16:13.51 | Semlar | I DIDN'T MEAN IT |
| 16:14.21 | nevcairiel | they have been hotfixing the client since forever, although they've been adding new and more advanced fixing methods every expansion |
| 16:15.00 | nevcairiel | technically speaking a client build like this one isnt a hotfix though, since you need to restart to get it, but they do hotfix other things the client sees and gr abs straight from the server without a new binary |
| 16:15.01 | mfgmfg | Andols, see recent Divine Steed hotfix for an example of what they can do now |
| 16:15.18 | Hazal | I remember back in the day when they would do a server side hotfix to an ability and it could take weeks before the tooltip for the client got updated |
| 16:15.57 | mfgmfg | http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20747876264#post-1 launch test on beta in about 5 1/2 hours |
| 16:16.11 | nevcairiel | yeah its like the third one or so |
| 16:17.44 | Simca | they call sending over tiny patches (< 100 MB) with new clients/slightly updated DB2s hotfixes as well |
| 16:17.58 | nevcairiel | i know, but its technically incorrect =p |
| 16:18.00 | Simca | basically, if the major and minor patch version doesn't change, it's a 'hotfix' |
| 16:18.04 | Andols | That's cool |
| 16:18.12 | nevcairiel | unless you count the server not needing to be down still being "hot" |
| 16:19.02 | Hazal | I prefer when it stays up, pretty hot-fixes |
| 16:19.03 | Andols | I guess so, but then what do you call it even the server needs to restart :p |
| 16:19.08 | Simca | yeah this build specifically couldn't have happened without server downtime or a window of client rejection under the pre-Legion system |
| 16:19.44 | Simca | it has new DB2s, but they stopped the process of verifying DB2 content by buildID, so the server no longer cares and lets you through anyway |
| 16:20.17 | nevcairiel | i would imagine the server just has a list of builds it accepts, and they just add one if they patch one |
| 16:20.37 | Simca | it really accepts any build now, you can invent numbers, it just doesn't care |
| 16:21.06 | Simca | i guess they realized that it really was pretty pointless because if you altered your db2s or your client they can tell by hashes anyway |
| 16:21.18 | Andols | For example this new paladin thing, do you have to restart the client for this to apply or can they "hotfix" running clients? |
| 16:21.25 | Simca | the only people build number verification was hurting was legitimate users |
| 16:21.54 | Andols | Or did the do that during the weekly maintenance? |
| 16:22.45 | Simca | most things they can hotfix without a client restart |
| 16:23.31 | Simca | that was the purpose of the restructuring/conversion of the data files they did during Legion - every single database file is now capable of accepting new data from the server at any time |
| 16:26.20 | VIad | oh crap, left most bag first cvar isnt in the interface anymore |
| 16:26.25 | VIad | my new char puts stuff in wrong places :d |
| 16:29.43 | VIad | windows 10 trolling speedrun :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gnnweoN76Q&t=43m40s |
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| 16:34.23 | nevcairiel | old VIad, its fake |
| 16:34.32 | VIad | he said he trolled them :p |
| 16:35.42 | VIad | I hope foxlit adds "is usable" checkbox or condition to opie |
| 16:35.59 | VIad | loads of toys now and loads of criteria, I'd like to hide the toys on chars that cant use them :p |
| 16:36.09 | VIad | wrong zone, level, class, anything |
| 16:38.40 | Andols | Vad |
| 16:38.43 | VIad | yes Andols? |
| 16:39.49 | Andols | Fakeupdate.net this can be a good prank :p |
| 16:40.21 | Shockah | unless you're missing the fonts required |
| 16:40.27 | Shockah | like, if you're on OSX |
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| 16:41.06 | Kehet | yay |
| 16:41.30 | fewyn | Anyone happen to have seen an addon that just shows what pets I have that are cageable? |
| 16:42.55 | Semlar | did you know you could get the battle pet stats of a unit in the open world without fighting it |
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| 16:48.00 | VIad | Semlar: WTF |
| 16:48.02 | VIad | new change or? |
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| 16:48.24 | Semlar | i don't know, i just used the function to check the species of something that was wandering around my garrison |
| 16:51.51 | fewyn | ~cage all the pets~ |
| 16:51.51 | purl | ACTION locks all the pets~ up in a solid, 3 metre thick titanium cage so that all the pets~ can cause no more trouble! |
| 16:52.03 | Thunder_Child | heh. |
| 16:52.06 | fewyn | oh hey ~cage is a purl command |
| 16:55.08 | Simca | i don't think it returns coherent information for wilds, semlar |
| 16:55.24 | Semlar | it might have just been that particular unit |
| 16:55.47 | fewyn | was it your pet? |
| 16:55.48 | Simca | i think it only works for tamed pets or pets that are specifically proper battle pets |
| 16:55.49 | fewyn | maybe? |
| 16:56.10 | Semlar | it was something in the menagarie that i was supposed to fight for the daily quest |
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| 16:56.29 | Simca | those are the latter i think, like most legendaries |
| 16:56.58 | VIad | weird how there are api functions SetSortBagsRightToLeft and SetInsertItemsLeftToRight instead of cvars :p |
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| 17:16.58 | VIad | wait... http://ss.bool.no/capture_1470244615.png |
| 17:17.01 | VIad | saurfang xD |
| 17:17.41 | VIad | so wrong |
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| 17:28.13 | [TOM_RUS] | VIad, because it's server that controls how bags are sorted |
| 17:28.25 | VIad | oh |
| 17:28.28 | VIad | really? thats odd |
| 17:28.30 | VIad | well, maybe not |
| 17:28.32 | VIad | quicker :p |
| 17:28.48 | VIad | it would be great though if we could pass the SortBag API a string with some sort rules |
| 17:28.56 | VIad | so we could define the sorting to some degree |
| 17:29.04 | VIad | or just some args |
| 17:29.16 | VIad | and guild bank support :p |
| 17:29.52 | Thunder_Child | That would mean the guild bank would reorganize each time someone viewed the slot? |
| 17:31.13 | Bloo | i really wish that too, i made a whole post on it |
| 17:31.14 | Bloo | http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20747654898#post-1 |
| 17:31.15 | mfgmfg | seems better to just visually sort it client side |
| 17:31.36 | mfgmfg | if you want custom sorting |
| 17:31.37 | Bloo | our API for bag sorting is pretty rough, lots of spam, takes up the cursor, and can't be done in combat |
| 17:32.54 | VIad | could make it so GM can sort :p |
| 17:34.05 | Tentacled | My QueryAuctionItems are getting weirder and weirder. QueryAuctionItems("",nil,nil,0,false,-1,false,false) should be "all items of any quality that aren't necessarily usable". 1-50 of 43166. Good. However, QueryAuctionItems("",nil,nil,0,true,-1,false,false) - thus, usable only - gives me "1-1839 of 1839". How on Earth. |
| 17:35.54 | mfgmfg | what does -1 mean for isUsable |
| 17:36.07 | mfgmfg | er, qualityIndex? |
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| 17:36.48 | mckenziemc | (10:28:57 AM) VIad: so we could define the sorting to some degree |
| 17:36.48 | mckenziemc | how about decide where to sort things on the client side, then sending a list of the desired new locations in one go |
| 17:37.05 | VIad | yeah that would be cool too |
| 17:39.37 | mfgmfg | Tentacled, hmm when i go to next page, item count jumps up |
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| 17:45.22 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/tknSvx5.png this is on my battle pet character (sells just battle pets) |
| 17:45.25 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/LwUgPjT.png and this is everything else |
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| 17:45.52 | fewyn | now if a fraction of these things sold |
| 17:45.55 | fewyn | i'd be good |
| 17:47.19 | mckenziemc | buys a fraction of fewyn. |
| 17:47.36 | mfgmfg | Tentacled, QueryAuctionItems("",nil,nil,n,true,-1,false,false) -- keep incrementing n, pretty weird |
| 17:51.09 | Tentacled | n is starting page, in theory. |
| 17:51.47 | Semlar | did you get my message about just calling it with no parameters |
| 17:53.12 | TheDanW | the AH code wasn't fully updated for unloading of item data from the cache, you're seeing symptoms of that |
| 17:53.48 | Tentacled | Eeeewww. |
| 17:54.33 | TheDanW | it's something on the list to be fixed for an upcoming patch |
| 17:55.26 | Ssateneth | Maybe stupid question, figure ask here |
| 17:55.26 | Tentacled | Will we retain that odd but promising way to get "full-ish" scans of single queries? |
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| 17:55.52 | mfgmfg | http://i.imgur.com/qpnXoD1.png getting there |
| 17:56.14 | Ssateneth | Given a talent row and column, how would you determine if that talent is active in the current specialization? |
| 17:56.36 | Semlar | GetTalentInfo? |
| 17:57.04 | Tentacled | Like, /run QueryAuctionItems("Sumptuous Fur",nil,nil,0,true,-1,false,true) - it's quite nice to see 81 rows of results, although they're supposed to be "usable" according to the args |
| 17:57.16 | Ssateneth | I couldve sworn I was using (select(5,GetTalentInfoBySpecialization(GetSpecialization(),row,column))) |
| 17:57.26 | Ssateneth | But not working as expected, possiblya change with Legion. |
| 17:58.17 | Semlar | GetTalentInfo(row, column, 1) |
| 17:58.29 | mfgmfg | change GetTalentInfoBySpecialization to GetTalentInfo(row,colum,GetSpecialization()) ? |
| 17:58.40 | Semlar | no don't use GetSpecialization |
| 17:58.54 | Ssateneth | Argument 3 seems deprecated |
| 17:59.01 | Ssateneth | since no more dual spec |
| 17:59.08 | Ssateneth | So its always 1 |
| 17:59.08 | Semlar | just use 1 |
| 17:59.21 | Tentacled | (It worries me why, for a trade item, the argument for "usable items" switches from "1-50 of 81" to "1-81 of 81"...) |
| 17:59.26 | mfgmfg | Usage: GetTalentInfo(tier, column, specGroupIndex [, isInspect, inspectUnit]) |
| 17:59.30 | Ssateneth | yeah GetTalentInfo seems to be what I need now, specificly return #4 |
| 17:59.50 | mfgmfg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.05 | Ssateneth | yeah I was getting that too mfgmfg |
| 18:00.08 | Tentacled | Especially seeing that repeated call for auctions of the same item shouldn't worry the cache anymore. |
| 18:00.12 | mfgmfg | yeah, only seems to take 1 |
| 18:00.13 | Ssateneth | Anything other than 1 makes it mad |
| 18:00.16 | mfgmfg | not 0 or nil |
| 18:00.19 | mfgmfg | or 2 |
| 18:00.25 | Semlar | THERE CAN BE ONLY 1 |
| 18:00.30 | mfgmfg | not more, not less |
| 18:00.34 | mfgmfg | 5 is right out |
| 18:01.17 | Ssateneth | ok ok :P |
| 18:02.16 | mfgmfg | seems like GetTalentInfoBySpecialization ends up calling GetTalentInfo anyway |
| 18:02.39 | Thunder_Child | The wow airline keeps messing with my head. |
| 18:03.16 | Ssateneth | mfgmfg, yeah, but the return values for 4 and 5 always seem to return false |
| 18:03.29 | Ssateneth | needed something that actually returned if the talent was learned or not |
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| 18:05.51 | mfgmfg | disregard my last line |
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| 18:07.05 | mfgmfg | Ssateneth select(10,GetTalentInfoBySpecialization(specIndex,row,column)) |
| 18:07.59 | Semlar | There are too many errors in your UI. |
| 18:08.07 | Semlar | well that's a bit presumptuous |
| 18:08.41 | mfgmfg | although it seems it'll always return false if specIndex is not your active one |
| 18:08.47 | Ssateneth | mfgmfg aha! |
| 18:08.54 | mfgmfg | so might as well use gettalentinfo |
| 18:09.12 | Ssateneth | I wish there was better documentation of most of the later implemented API |
| 18:09.35 | Ssateneth | well, calling GetSpecialization() where specIndex is |
| 18:09.50 | mfgmfg | sure |
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| 18:10.21 | Ammako | is there a way i can prevent lower level quests from appearing as darker minimap icons |
| 18:10.21 | Ssateneth | unless you think its a roundabout way of doing things and is quicker to just call (select(4,GetTalentInfo(row,column,1))) |
| 18:10.39 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:11.57 | mfgmfg | did you check usable, Semlar? |
| 18:12.09 | Semlar | no |
| 18:13.10 | Ssateneth | mfgmfg May I bug you in PM? :D |
| 18:13.26 | mfgmfg | you have me mistaken for an experienced addon coder |
| 18:13.38 | Semlar | why not just ask here |
| 18:13.50 | Ssateneth | Eh, I don't need anything in that degree. At least I think. |
| 18:13.56 | Ssateneth | But I'm nervous! ;_; |
| 18:14.06 | Ssateneth | Well, eh. |
| 18:14.06 | bshelden | Ask the newbie questions. They're welcome here. |
| 18:14.21 | Thunder_Child | Mostly. |
| 18:14.41 | newbie | hm. .. not sure what to ask atm., I'm sure I'll figure something soon enough though. stop naggin me meanwhile k |
| 18:14.42 | Simca | unless the question is too dumb and then foxlit and/or nevcariel will hate you forever |
| 18:15.03 | bshelden | No, I demand questions, newbie! I feed off of them. |
| 18:15.11 | Simca | but i'm sure that won't happen |
| 18:15.12 | bshelden | There's a difference between a newbie question and a stupid one. |
| 18:15.24 | bshelden | Asking, listening to the response, and learning. This is welcome. |
| 18:15.30 | Ssateneth | Ever since the change to GetSpellInfo in WoD prepatch (Or was it MoP prepatch?) in that it doesn't return the spell's resource cost, how would one determine what a spell's resource cost would be on the spot? |
| 18:15.31 | Thunder_Child | foxlit won't hate you, he will just make some jerk remark, that everyone was thinking of. |
| 18:15.43 | Ssateneth | I understand tooltip reading is a thing, but wouldn't those shenanigans be kinda slow? |
| 18:15.55 | Semlar | they are slow |
| 18:16.13 | Semlar | there's a GetSpellPowerCost function which is, in my opinion, even worse |
| 18:16.34 | Semlar | ..at least when you're calling it as often as i am |
| 18:16.53 | Simca | ignore him, getspellpowercost is great, use that |
| 18:17.06 | Ssateneth | For now, I've been using (select(2,IsUsableSpell(spell)))==false but that doesn't feel like enough information for what I want. |
| 18:17.17 | Simca | he is just sad because some dude complained his addon was using 10 mb of ram |
| 18:17.45 | Ssateneth | bah, more ram usage for addons doesnt necessarily mean the addon is causing frame drops |
| 18:17.54 | mfgmfg | i'm afraid to link my code, but i'd like some feedback on my work in progress so far https://github.com/mfgmfg/ArtifactJournal/blob/master/ArtifactJournal.lua . it is very likely i am doing some stupid stuff |
| 18:17.58 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.06 | Ssateneth | I can put in an infinite loop that uses virtually no addon space and make the game 0 fps :P |
| 18:18.18 | Simca | oh i am sorry, 8 MB of ram |
| 18:18.21 | Thunder_Child | My bag addon is using 10mb of ram. |
| 18:18.30 | newbie | I always wondered what lagged by tooltip (viewing clicked item-links) so much.. had a buncha addons, various item-tracking addons each having theirs ups n downs (tsm, altinator etc. some working in some/most ways, other covering where the otehr didn't.. etc), tooltip ended filling most the sceren couldnt see bottom of it, lol, as such kinda happy bout the reset and |
| 18:18.33 | Thunder_Child | It's only odd because then next one on the list is 2mb. |
| 18:18.34 | Semlar | it actually depends on how many action buttons you have bound |
| 18:18.44 | Semlar | since it's scanning those |
| 18:18.46 | Thunder_Child | s/then/the/ |
| 18:18.46 | newbie | ..re-updating/changes to many addons. My tooltip has been on a saerious diet lately |
| 18:19.09 | Ssateneth | Semlar, I can see what you're saying, calling it worse, since it returns a table |
| 18:19.19 | Ssateneth | And tables are poopy slow in Lua |
| 18:19.36 | Simca | gametooltip is a whole different level of slow |
| 18:19.47 | Ssateneth | Lesser of 2 evils I imagine. |
| 18:19.52 | Semlar | i'm sure tooltip scanning is slower |
| 18:20.10 | Semlar | not only do you have to load the tooltip, you have to run string comparisons |
| 18:20.16 | Simca | the problem Semlar has is that he calls GetSpellPowerCost constantly and it returns a new table every time |
| 18:20.19 | Ssateneth | I wonder when GetSpellPowerCost was put in. |
| 18:20.30 | Simca | and the tables build up and then GC has to be run |
| 18:20.39 | Semlar | when i originally wrote this addon, the spell cost was just one of the returns from GetSpellInfo or something |
| 18:20.42 | newbie | Is there possible with an ingame function of sorts; one-liner or short piece of script that would basically do a full-scan of AH's data, and dump this to an output file on local disk (for further reading/processing,however) -- and if so,presumed possible to run near continuously,given an acc dedicated to the purpose-- could be a competitor in some ways to the AH-data otherwise released thru Blizz |
| 18:20.50 | newbie | ..Blizzard's AH-API? |
| 18:21.02 | Semlar | no |
| 18:21.03 | newbie | (sorry if I misunderstood something or such.. may be^ newb to most all of how this works, but...) |
| 18:21.07 | newbie | oh. k:( thanks! |
| 18:21.24 | Simca | why do you say no? the answer is yes |
| 18:21.36 | Semlar | you couldn't do that without creating a saved variable |
| 18:21.41 | Semlar | which means creating an addon for it |
| 18:21.46 | Simca | oh, i didn't see that requirement |
| 18:21.51 | Simca | yeah it has to be an addon |
| 18:21.57 | maunot | while{} do end |
| 18:21.57 | Semlar | he said.. one liner or short piece of script |
| 18:22.10 | Guill | Just save to an existing saved variable (e.g. Blizzard_CombatLog_Filters)! (Disclaimer: please don't do this) |
| 18:22.16 | Simca | roflmao |
| 18:22.26 | Semlar | i like the sound of that |
| 18:23.03 | Semlar | basically you'd have to at least make a blank addon with a toc file that declared a global for the saved variable |
| 18:23.12 | VIad | nevcairiel: I am experiencing some weird stuff when setting coordinates using this format: 0.2182 0.4531 |
| 18:23.26 | mckenziemc | yeah, i was going to mention piggybacking :p |
| 18:23.44 | VIad | hmm |
| 18:23.49 | Guill | Simca: I'd be interested in seeing some data that the GC is still an issue for standard usage of GetSpellPowerCost. GC should be an order of magnitude faster in Legion |
| 18:23.55 | Semlar | i wrote an addon that let you dump text to an edit box you could copy out of but APPARENTLY you can only put around a million characters in one before the game explodes |
| 18:24.33 | Simca | yeah i first tested the MoveViewInStart bug with MoveViewInStart(-1000000) and the game crashed |
| 18:24.59 | VIad | oh it seems to be the icon parent |
| 18:25.02 | Simca | why are there such unreasonable constraints on WoW |
| 18:25.04 | Semlar | there's no way to know when the cost of a spell has changed, right guill |
| 18:25.13 | Semlar | so i can't just cache the power cost |
| 18:25.20 | Simca | if I want my camera to move at negative one million miles per hour clearly it should work |
| 18:25.23 | newbie | As a newb who never really made an addon before, barely knowing to run most commands in-game (afaik anyway) thru prepending /run or /dump and then (<simple command>) and not remembering even a third of the potential basic commandsa s such... |
| 18:25.38 | Thunder_Child | Simca: Because people keep breaking the resonable ones. |
| 18:25.51 | Thunder_Child | reasonable* |
| 18:26.23 | Simca | (the camera probably went outside the bounds of the world and the game stopped understanding what it should draw) |
| 18:26.40 | newbie | viable "project" to take on, or could be called as much even-- for a newb though? Was thinking to possibly motivate learning more about this all, while also maybe (hopefully:P) play around more with some AH data and get around the limit of supposed shared/common and pre-defines set time Blizzard would share the AH data (thru web-api) however other way they'd do that, if scanning real-time,and figu |
| 18:26.52 | Semlar | Guill: my addon puts the estimated time until you've recovered enough energy to cast a spell on the button as if it were a cooldown, so it needs to keep checking for the current cost |
| 18:27.25 | bshelden | Do what I tried. Write a distributed / cryptographically secre filesystem in the WoW UI (Don't do this, oh god why did I try to do this) |
| 18:27.26 | Guill | Semlar: Not a super easy event. In theory registering for UNIT_AURA would probably do it, but that fires an awful lot in combat |
| 18:27.27 | newbie | ..figuring ways to more-or-less act quickly based on certain (possibly pre-defined) triggers in it all,even... (or simply fetch and process fast to make manual picks, from a resulting .txt / .csv of such even).. not sure how much work this could be ? |
| 18:27.36 | Simca | oh that's really cool addon semlar |
| 18:27.58 | Simca | i always heard you talking about this issue but never bothered to wonder what you were using it for lol |
| 18:27.59 | Ssateneth | So ah, Semlar |
| 18:28.27 | Ssateneth | GetSpellPowerCost("Shield Block")[1]["minCost"] <- returns the minimum cost of resources points to cast Shield Block |
| 18:28.29 | Semlar | yeah i made it when i started a rogue in like BC because it just greyed out the button when i didn't have enough energy and i never knew whether it was about to be recastable or not |
| 18:28.35 | Ssateneth | Works, but still, sucky slow you believe? |
| 18:28.39 | Shockah | Semlar, btw, can't you like, register to talent and aura changes? |
| 18:28.48 | Shockah | wouldn't that be enough to check the spell cost then? |
| 18:28.55 | Semlar | assuming the aura event is reliable |
| 18:29.05 | newbie | bshelden: why'd u come to consider it secure at all, and distributed.. each bit in the chain dependant on verification of trust from eachother ensured how? "secure filesystem",personally think there are never "enough"; just various degrees. Best being nested/layered and custom bits in-between, agree hm? |
| 18:29.20 | Semlar | i don't know whether UNIT_AURA is guaranteed to fire every time a spell's cost changes |
| 18:29.26 | newbie | but'd u even do that in the WoW UI btw.. thinking of it, sounds like ... something totally not possible in the first place..interesting.. |
| 18:29.26 | Simca | spell cost changes can occur without an aura event |
| 18:29.31 | Simca | it's rare but not impossible |
| 18:29.36 | bshelden | newbie: Had an RSA crypto library for lua handy, so secure was possible. |
| 18:29.40 | Shockah | what other events are out there that change spell costs? |
| 18:30.12 | Simca | well here's a counter-example: a 'SYSTEM' aura could change spell cost |
| 18:30.13 | bshelden | What actually killed it is wow finally added an in-game calendar. So the main app I intended for the platform went poof. |
| 18:30.23 | Simca | except those are hidden to the UI and the player |
| 18:30.34 | Simca | the client just suppresses all mention of them |
| 18:30.56 | kullervo | the stock calendar would benefit from a comment system |
| 18:30.59 | Simca | they've made mistakes and accidentally marked important spells as that before |
| 18:31.10 | Semlar | i could throttle it but i could also just ignore it because it's not reeeally impacting my game |
| 18:31.29 | Shockah | also just a random question |
| 18:31.39 | Shockah | is WoW Lua THAT SLOW to not use OnUpdate anyway? |
| 18:31.48 | Semlar | depends entirely on what you're doing |
| 18:31.49 | Primer | mfgmfg: regading classic shell, I've rebooted several times and it's been fine |
| 18:31.59 | newbie | bshelden: oh, it's not possible anymore, in any way? Not sure how that'd work at all, if I fully understood what you did, I think, but... sounds interesting,and potentially inspiring others to build upon even if released in part of defunct, i'd guess (if for nothing else, various additions to add perceived increase in security^_^) |
| 18:32.05 | VIad | herebedragons is acting really weird, and I am unsure if its my use of it :/ |
| 18:32.06 | mfgmfg | Primer, yeah you probably downloaded from a good location |
| 18:32.10 | Semlar | my nameplate addon was previously doing everything that it did OnUpdate |
| 18:32.12 | bshelden | Indeed. I wanted to get calendar (with comments), forums, etc. That small pile o crap guilds need to communicate when people are offline |
| 18:32.17 | mfgmfg | the bad one was unsigned |
| 18:32.28 | Shockah | if you were to compare it to... i don't know, C# or Java |
| 18:32.37 | bshelden | newbie: It's absolutely possible. All you need (strictly speaking) is player to player comms and a saved table. |
| 18:32.37 | Semlar | much slower than C |
| 18:33.13 | Semlar | but still fast |
| 18:33.15 | Shockah | i'm interested in how much lol |
| 18:33.17 | bshelden | A little bit of crypto for message signing establishes trust. |
| 18:33.21 | Shockah | 100x? 1000x? |
| 18:33.23 | Shockah | worse? |
| 18:33.27 | bshelden | (You do need to see a player once to get their public key) |
| 18:33.32 | newbie | hey that was a feature one of my guilds was actually using only months back, I think.. I just stupidly never took their suggestion to heart and making use of the calendar thing.. (supposedly some kinda in-game forum/interaction-platform even, how it (appeared to me) to be working,even..sounds interesting ,but dno if that's even the same thing-or ifso,even exist anymore thern eh :| |
| 18:33.36 | nevcairiel | VIad: if in doubt, then it is you |
| 18:33.42 | bshelden | Ok, being asked to go for lunch. Back later. |
| 18:34.10 | Simca | you could write tests, Shockah. iirc wow's debug timer thing is pretty accurate in terms of telling execution time |
| 18:34.18 | VIad | the coordinates are 0-1 right? |
| 18:34.31 | Semlar | for anything seriously slow i have to use C libraries |
| 18:34.32 | VIad | and icon parent should be WorldMapButton |
| 18:34.42 | Semlar | in lua and python |
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| 18:34.52 | Simca | just write a generally basic function in C, C#, Java, Lua, and Lua inside WoW and profile them 100,000x or something like that |
| 18:34.55 | Semlar | they just can't do certain things nearly as fast |
| 18:35.07 | nevcairiel | VIad: sounds about right |
| 18:35.11 | VIad | hmm |
| 18:35.17 | newbie | bshelden: hm..:o cool, but.. might attract "bad" attention if getting too deep in that, layered meanas of encryption etc. and toppling of with some manually signed nested pgp messages if could ensure client-app wouldn't seize control of content before /after final manual tampering with (encrypt/decrypt) at least..(but ya again, may start to seem...suspicious, lol:) |
| 18:35.17 | nevcairiel | note that you cant SetScale the icons otehrwise positioning screws up |
| 18:35.49 | Semlar | like one of my map scripts takes 20 minutes to run in python |
| 18:36.14 | VIad | yeah I saw |
| 18:36.17 | VIad | I dont set scale |
| 18:36.57 | VIad | the reason I react is I took some coords from wowhead comments |
| 18:37.07 | newbie | i dno.. encryption, even somewhat basic.. should be manually done, or somehow verify can not be tampered or mis-verified by client thru MITM/data-manipulation too then? tho again i guess most general/broad interception software and listening units wouldn't expect over whatever protocol and mean, either,and even if a "simple" thing and done in-client ..better than nothing idd, and would be cool.. |
| 18:37.13 | VIad | and they worked, but were a bit off, I then went ingame and noted the coords on the map, and used those. then stuff fuck up |
| 18:39.59 | VIad | ah jesus fecking crist |
| 18:40.00 | Ssateneth | tron.ca» has Quit iRC (Leaving) «167 people» |
| 18:40.00 | Ssateneth | [1:35:50pm] <Semlar> like one of my map scripts takes 20 min |
| 18:40.03 | Ssateneth | oops |
| 18:40.03 | VIad | figured it out :p |
| 18:40.11 | VIad | need to use the draenor coords, not zone |
| 18:40.12 | Ssateneth | http://hastebin.com/exokodireg.lua |
| 18:40.15 | VIad | retard me |
| 18:40.27 | nevcairiel | it depends which api you call |
| 18:40.29 | Ssateneth | I wonder how crappy my stupid little code snippet is |
| 18:40.31 | newbie | I find most ppls ignorance of its potential value (or lacking understanding of potential of, and foresight(/paranoia?)), to even bother learning the most basic means of using pgp to verify and sign messages in mail for example, to bother actually listening and learning,no matter how simple made.. :| (not as easy to teach my sis & grandma as it might appear, i mean..) |
| 18:40.34 | nevcairiel | there is one for either |
| 18:40.48 | Primer | surely you mean gpg! |
| 18:40.58 | VIad | its perfect now :p |
| 18:41.04 | newbie | sry, yes.. |
| 18:41.18 | Ssateneth | oops, needs to be >= |
| 18:41.50 | Semlar | you should probably be using sanity checks to make sure you actually have data to compare again |
| 18:41.52 | Semlar | st |
| 18:42.33 | Semlar | also if you're just checking if a spell can be cast i don't think you should need to know its cost |
| 18:42.47 | newbie | various windows "portable"-versions even., btw, ive painfully experienced... even ran just once, more than one kind of so-called "stealth", "portable" apps as such too--basic keyring software ran out of a locked container , on Windows... is quick and careless at spreading its traces (key holder ids) in registry for example... i hate microsoft,google and all these so much by now...just WoW being m |
| 18:43.07 | newbie | ..my excuse not to force myself onto a full migration onto nix , as i've been wanting to for.. too many years already, and logn ago should have indeed.. |
| 18:43.39 | Primer | Games is the only reason I keep windows around |
| 18:44.06 | newbie | I think I need to get rid of the whole thing, or I'll rationalize using the Win box (games?) too often anyway, hah. . |
| 18:44.31 | Shockah | newbie, get OSX? |
| 18:45.06 | Shockah | it's pretty easy to setup a hackintosh nowadays |
| 18:45.18 | Shockah | (also not sure if it's allowed to talk about it here) |
| 18:45.38 | newbie | not sure..I know little about mac at all (assuming that's OSX, aye?).. thinking of a combination of privacy / security-oriented linux distros.. hopefully combined with a growing knowledge of networking in order to feel somewhat safe about the data going in/out, too, and easily control relays (chaining of vpns, n such) too |
| 18:45.43 | Primer | Well, that's the thing. You have to obtain it illicitly still, right? |
| 18:45.54 | Shockah | yeah OSX is the Mac operating system |
| 18:46.29 | Shockah | uh you actually need a Mac first |
| 18:46.32 | Shockah | to download the OSX for free |
| 18:46.46 | Shockah | the only illegal part is actually installing it on non-Mac hardware |
| 18:46.59 | Shockah | or barely (il)legal |
| 18:47.01 | Shockah | or whatever |
| 18:47.41 | newbie | are there many kinds of long-trusted, thought resilient, base file-system encryption suites (open source), if any at all as such, and/or many alternates to choose between? (I¨'d want layering of various ways to "pack" things down,depending on box/network (if sensitive data (like my wow logins) i'd wanna lock it down hard;) |
| 18:47.42 | Shockah | anyway i'm currently running a dual-boot setup - Windows 10 and OSX El Capitan |
| 18:47.51 | Shockah | everything works |
| 18:48.30 | Shockah | got my free OSX at work, since i'm doing iOS coding for a living |
| 18:48.38 | Shockah | *iOS app coding |
| 18:48.51 | newbie | cool. nice:) |
| 18:50.13 | Shockah | but yeah as long as you do Intel CPUs and NVIDIA GPUs OSX works great on non-Macs |
| 18:50.20 | newbie | my fingers been tingling, eager to pick apart some routers we've here at home and try flash with custom firmware, besides rooting (possible screwing up) my (atm only,likely for a while-) smartphone too and playing around with optional uses maybe.. call me paranoid but I don't trust those things.(variety of reasons..) |
| 18:50.29 | Shockah | and WoW works on OSX out-of-the-box |
| 18:50.55 | Primer | you're paranoid |
| 18:50.56 | Shockah | anyway afk |
| 18:51.35 | newbie | oo.. its many years since I tried, but iirc. didn't take too much config to get running on ..whatever distro of nix some years back (during MoP),tho even after trying all the "tweaks" i could find to improve performance,in raids the FPS would drop too much,eventually wanting its Windows'-performance again..:/ |
| 18:51.56 | newbie | (with Wine basically, that is, iirc..^^) |
| 18:51.58 | Ssateneth | Semlar, already doing other checks beforehand that should reduce calls to my little HaveResources snippet |
| 18:52.10 | Ssateneth | such as if the spell is even known to begin with. |
| 18:52.29 | Primer | For me wow works on Linux, but the performance sucks in raids |
| 18:52.29 | Semlar | but why not just use IsUsableSpell to check if you have the resources |
| 18:52.42 | Guill | Ssateneth: Depending on what you're doing, you may also be able to throttle updates to just a couple times per second |
| 18:53.31 | Primer | I've never spent too much time trying to figure out exactly what the problem is. It seems to be a CPU bottleneck but monitoring the cores doesn't show any one of them spiking to 100% |
| 18:54.06 | Ssateneth | Semlar maybe I want to return true on something if I have a the needed resources PLUS some arbitrary number. I can create a different function for that, or add in an additional optional argument |
| 18:54.14 | Stanzilla | https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/4vw21h/massive_psa_do_not_download_classic_shell_read/?st=irestxpn&sh=f8e22c06 |
| 18:54.38 | Ssateneth | Like maybe I dont want to return true if I have the absolute minimum cost for Ignore Pain, which has a variable 20-60 rage cost |
| 18:54.55 | Ssateneth | Instead, how about returning true if I have minimum cost plus 20 rage |
| 18:55.00 | Primer | Stanzilla: old |
| 18:55.04 | Ressy | Primer: I use a program called ProcessExplorer to force wow to use more than the 3 cores it wants to use, and suddenly I go from choppy as hell, to smooth as hell. |
| 18:55.05 | VIad | nevcairiel: TomTom module idea. with the toy to travel between new draenor and outland, make it so tomtom uses the portal locations and distances to calculate shortest path to anywhere between those continents :D |
| 18:55.21 | Primer | Ressy: I meant in Linux |
| 18:55.27 | Ssateneth | Or maybe some ability that I dont want to completely drain my resources, such as using a filler ability like Slam without draining all my rage so I can cast Mortal Strike |
| 18:55.31 | Ressy | oh. I meant Windows. |
| 18:55.54 | Primer | Ressy: There's a config option for processor affinity that you can put in config.wtf too |
| 18:55.59 | Ssateneth | In any case, looks like I'll be expanding it :D |
| 18:56.04 | nevcairiel | VIad: tomtom isnt my addon =p |
| 18:56.15 | VIad | was it foxlits? |
| 18:56.38 | VIad | ah cladhaire :d |
| 18:56.40 | newbie | Primer: some again may consider it ("paranoia") more as.."a heightened state of awareness"..:p Many; imo anyway,somewhat fairly reasonably justified doing whatever/for, too.Thus not actually fitting diagnostic criteria of "paranoia", either. (afaik; which would be an irrational fear of something illogical/impossible/completely infeasible |
| 18:57.13 | Primer | Ressy: http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/CVar_processAffinityMask |
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| 18:57.28 | Ssateneth | oh dang |
| 18:57.31 | Ssateneth | its a blizzard! |
| 18:57.50 | newbie | not too long ago ppl were locked up with the nurses prolly going "yeah yeah, right... whatever" when ppl fantasized about much of todays surveilannce technology they'd gotten a peak or understanding of, just yet to be fully known/feared at the time.. |
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| 18:58.33 | Primer | Ressy: I have it set to 15 in Linux and I can see CPU cores being used equally in my CPU monitors (I have 4 displays on that machine) |
| 18:58.45 | Primer | as well as 4 cores |
| 18:59.42 | newbie | In my country we've some crazy fascist laws, many ambiguous or subtle at best, too (complicating individual defense (against an adversary such as a prosecutor,with all their henchmen..)), simple minor drug-violations quickly leads to extensive surveillance and mass-seizure and analysis of equipment and the whole big mess.. (ive got so used to be raided now i stopped caring, and ye u-too-might join |
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| 19:01.01 | newbie | ..the cops in calling me trash/loser etc. for doing it (drugs, blabla) n such..dammit im gettting too used to it even, and aall the crap theyve put me through, lol :P so much I never thought possible, or even legal and acceptable in a western country,for such small offence.. but yeah.. anyway, call me paranoid.. I'll keep worrying:S(no matter the dose of anxiolytics, too,prty much, heh) |
| 19:01.24 | newbie | neway sry if wayyy off-topic n bit overly personal heh . meh |
| 19:01.35 | Ressy | Primer: I wrote that Cvar stuff. Its not active anymore. |
| 19:01.44 | Semlar | i should probably get an actual irc client |
| 19:01.52 | Thunder_Child | Yes. |
| 19:01.56 | Tentacled | Semlar: I often have the same "color" bug. I believe it to be itemcache-related. |
| 19:01.58 | mfgmfg | telnet sucks for IRCing |
| 19:03.12 | Primer | Ressy: I can't say when I last used that specific cvar, but I can tell you that my CPU monitors would show 2 cores active by default before I set it to 15. |
| 19:03.18 | Primer | Whereas now it shows 4 |
| 19:03.36 | Tentacled | mfgmfg: you mean... raw telnet? PRIVMSG #wowuidev :blabla? |
| 19:03.42 | mfgmfg | yes Tentacled |
| 19:03.45 | Primer | So unless the game itself is doing some sort of detection... |
| 19:03.48 | Thunder_Child | Ressy: Is there some option in process explorer I am not aware of? Affinity only allows for execution, not forces. |
| 19:03.51 | mfgmfg | keeping up with the ping/pong is the hardest part |
| 19:03.59 | Tentacled | hardcore. |
| 19:04.04 | newbie | telnet,despite being what, 10-300kb in size? not included in windows since like winxp.. but all kinda flashy animations and whatnot , megabytes++ suddenly no longer matters.. (need to specifically install on most Win setups anyway, selecting ur way to find & install something as basic as Telnet.... fkem!) |
| 19:04.39 | znf | ...who the fuck is this guy |
| 19:05.01 | mfgmfg | TheDanW, not being able to scroll through guild crafter names in the profession list is related to the compiler change right? |
| 19:05.02 | newbie | sorry, guess i shud shut up eh? assuming refering to me.. - sorry |
| 19:07.42 | TheDanW | mfgmfg: not sure, it's on my list to take a look at |
| 19:13.09 | Andols | TheDanW, how many of you are there working mainly with UI stuff? |
| 19:13.36 | TheDanW | just one of me, we haven't perfected cloning yet ;) |
| 19:14.07 | TheDanW | the full UI team is about 8 engineers |
| 19:14.38 | mckenziemc | is that why things are always so horribly broken? (kidding) |
| 19:15.15 | TheDanW | it's mostly just Guill, he's always breaking things |
| 19:15.31 | mckenziemc | :O |
| 19:18.24 | Andols | Hehe :p |
| 19:18.51 | Guill | They're not bugs, they're unintentional features. |
| 19:19.04 | VIad | TheDanW: do you know what the dragon roar you can hear in the entire terokkar forest zone is? it happens randomly. since tbc. bugging me for years. |
| 19:19.42 | mckenziemc | isn't there an elite that flies around auchindoun? |
| 19:19.55 | TheDanW | not sure, i don't recall hearing it |
| 19:20.17 | Miiru | Yea thats the undead dragon flying around there |
| 19:20.18 | VIad | there is a elite dragon just hovering until you use a quest item |
| 19:20.26 | VIad | then it lands nearby and is attackable |
| 19:20.35 | VIad | I just never understood if that is it, why the zone wide roar? |
| 19:20.52 | VIad | you can literally hear it from the entire zone :p but just the sound of the roar, no emotes or anything |
| 19:21.00 | mfgmfg | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=22441/teribus-the-cursed ? |
| 19:21.10 | Miiru | because he is very angry |
| 19:21.19 | Guill | That's how dragons assert dominance. |
| 19:21.25 | Miiru | maybe even hangry |
| 19:21.28 | Guill | Same reason the LK login screen dragon roar was so loud |
| 19:21.57 | mfgmfg | no sounds tab for that NPC on wowhead |
| 19:22.14 | VIad | its probably scripted in |
| 19:22.23 | VIad | think it was a fixed interval |
| 19:23.07 | VIad | I just dont understand it, its the only thing odd about entire outland if you ask me |
| 19:23.22 | mfgmfg | http://www.wowhead.com/zone=3519/terokkar-forest could it be in one of the ambience files in there |
| 19:23.38 | Miiru | oO what about the blacksmith in terrokar |
| 19:23.46 | Miiru | hes odd |
| 19:23.56 | Primer | What about flag cap sounds in bgs?! FIX THAT! |
| 19:25.18 | VIad | I love audio playback that defaults to 100% :p |
| 19:25.43 | Andols | I think it took me 5 years to figure out that the horn sound in Ironforge is every top of the hour :P |
| 19:25.53 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 19:25.57 | VIad | xD |
| 19:26.07 | VIad | karazhan has bells too that it tolls each hour |
| 19:26.11 | VIad | its awesome |
| 19:26.19 | Tentacled | Andols: don't even mention the clunky "dink" sound for hourly chimes in Darn Asses... |
| 19:26.21 | Thunder_Child | All my years of playing wow and it has only been unmuted for roughly the length of all the cinematics put together. |
| 19:26.39 | Tentacled | TheDanW: the fact that the "isUsable" arg to QueryAuctionItems seems to mean "paginate or not"... is it intentional, or also a side-effect of caching and will be fixed to usual behaviour? |
| 19:26.40 | VIad | I advise having music on |
| 19:27.18 | LexSfX | TheDanW: why does ACTIVE_TALENT_GROUP_CHANGED trigger upon leveling monk from 3 to 4? it made my addon think it should do something that it normally does when the active talent group changes (like from Windwalker to Mistweaver, for example), but that didn't actually happen |
| 19:27.53 | TheDanW | Tentacled: sounds like a separate bug |
| 19:28.05 | Andols | Tentacled: Never thought about that, but now when you say it I can hear the sound in my head :P |
| 19:28.49 | VIad | TheDanW: thanks for having a IsUsable on the ToyBox API its really nice for filtering stuff you can't use on the character :d |
| 19:28.52 | Thunder_Child | VIad: I do have music on. Just not wow's. |
| 19:29.15 | VIad | wow music is great, I really recommend it on and no noises when playing legion for full immersion |
| 19:29.25 | Andols | Wow music is awesome :D |
| 19:29.28 | VIad | reduce combat noises sure, but leave a bit of ambiance and the music on |
| 19:30.44 | TheDanW | LexSfX: i'm not very familiar with that feature, so i don't know why the event would be generated there, likely unintended |
| 19:31.02 | LexSfX | TheDanW: ok |
| 19:31.57 | Guill | LexSfX: Looks like that event gets fired whenever the client receives a talent/spec update. I think you actually want the PLAYER_SPECIALIZATION_CHANGED event. |
| 19:32.23 | LexSfX | Guill: thanks |
| 19:33.01 | VIad | I found a bug ingame :o |
| 19:33.15 | Guill | VIad: Impossible. We all know there are no bugs in WoW. |
| 19:33.58 | VIad | the teleport toy draenor<->outland |
| 19:34.03 | VIad | kiljaeden point in draenor is gone |
| 19:34.39 | VIad | phased is also a possibility |
| 19:40.48 | Thunder_Child | I distinctly remember cockroaches in game Guill. |
| 19:40.55 | LexSfX | WoW freezes EVERY time i close it, causing me to have to kill process eventually |
| 19:41.01 | LexSfX | in win7-64 |
| 19:41.10 | LexSfX | even from login screen |
| 19:41.22 | LexSfX | otherwise, it works fine |
| 19:42.03 | LexSfX | pretty annoying though, since i want to restart the game to load new addon files ;o |
| 19:42.31 | Maldivia | hmm... fun fun... firing up for the first time in a long long time, apparently I now have to put my mouse 10pixels over my target to target stuff :D |
| 19:42.34 | karl_w_w | john carmack is seriously going ham on bad developers |
| 19:42.50 | Maldivia | 100px* |
| 19:43.06 | LexSfX | Maldivia: what platform? i do not experience that in win7-64 |
| 19:43.07 | karl_w_w | he wrote a massive facebook post on how to avoid aliasing, and now at oculus connect he's planning on doing app critiques on stage |
| 19:43.15 | Maldivia | Win10 |
| 19:43.33 | LexSfX | Maldivia: dx11? |
| 19:43.45 | Maldivia | yep |
| 19:47.24 | newbie | if something hangs in Win10, maybe could help debug--if unaware of this feature already-- to open taskmgr, "create dump file" of the stuck process before killing it off |
| 19:47.26 | Maldivia | hmm, same issue with software cursor - interesting |
| 19:47.55 | newbie | (should be same in wn7^ too, i think) |
| 19:48.49 | Maldivia | I have a suspecious feeling it doesn't like me fiddling with the world frame |
| 19:49.53 | Semlar | you can't resize the world frame without issues |
| 19:50.01 | Maldivia | used to be able to :/ |
| 19:50.06 | Semlar | welp not any more |
| 19:50.28 | Maldivia | yeah, removed my custom reanchoring of it, and cursor now works as expected |
| 19:50.55 | Semlar | i don't know if it needs to keep your aspect ratio or has to be anchored a certain way, but you definitely can't just arbitrarily resize it now |
| 19:51.51 | Maldivia | well, it kind of explains it... apparently it now reads cursor position based on Window, instead of based on WorldFrame |
| 19:52.29 | mfgmfg | karl_w_w, he's doing the critiques on request |
| 19:52.51 | mfgmfg | he's not going to rip on someone's program that didn't ask for it |
| 19:53.01 | karl_w_w | that's a shame :P |
| 19:53.14 | newbie | sry unsure if related at all,but.. I did also notice somewhat recently (as of patch..) , how resizing Wow-client (always?-i think..) actually forces a /reload every time, even resizing just a lil.. :z |
| 19:53.47 | newbie | ..very annoying when happens and not prepared for that wait=s |
| 19:53.52 | Maldivia | always done that |
| 19:54.19 | TheDanW | Infus: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53857 should be fixed (or at least much better) in an upcoming patch |
| 19:54.35 | newbie | oo.. not for me at least :o i remember how it some times messed up my raid-frames positioning (depending on how i resized it (from corners, up/down etc), but, did that alot never had any /reload forced when doing it previous years at all |
| 19:54.47 | TheDanW | Infus: thanks for the code snippet! helped track it down |
| 19:54.55 | Infus | TheDanW: many thanks, was it text edit specific? or was it general scroll area? |
| 19:54.58 | newbie | maybe some setting somewhere I changed at soem point earlier then..hmm. |
| 19:55.00 | mfgmfg | TheDanW, does that fix guild profession crafter list? |
| 19:55.47 | Infus | TheDanW: and I'd be interested in whether the compiler change was to blame, and what effect it had, but that's probably a too long tale to tell |
| 19:56.11 | TheDanW | Infus: it could affect editboxes, scroll frames, sliders, browser frame and probably a few other, but to varying degrees |
| 19:56.29 | TheDanW | mfgmfg: i haven't verified, but i think that this is unrelated |
| 19:57.21 | Infus | okay, good to know and you aren't willing to be more specific on when that patch comes, right? |
| 19:58.06 | kd3 | "Soon" |
| 19:58.10 | TheDanW | ^ |
| 19:58.11 | kd3 | is always the answer |
| 19:59.54 | Infus | I assume that means before legion... |
| 20:00.31 | bshelden | ~soon |
| 20:00.31 | purl | hmm... soon is http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon |
| 20:00.32 | kd3 | possibly, possibly not. speaking from experience with another big company, if PR says 'don't talk dates', you don't talk dates |
| 20:01.45 | znf | POKEMON GO DOWN |
| 20:02.17 | Semlar | stop breaking things znf |
| 20:03.01 | Stanzilla | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfc42Pb5RA8 |
| 20:04.22 | kd3 | ~soon |
| 20:04.22 | purl | it has been said that soon is at http://wowpedia.org/Soon |
| 20:04.24 | kd3 | there we go |
| 20:04.44 | bshelden | ^.^ |
| 20:09.47 | VIad | fyi ashran is not part of draenor |
| 20:09.53 | VIad | "ever-shifting mirror" |
| 20:13.33 | Simca | Infus: if it is going to be "hotfixed", before Legion, otherwise, 7.1, several months from now |
| 20:15.27 | znf | oh, ok, updated pokemon go |
| 20:15.27 | znf | it works now |
| 20:16.01 | Simca | did they readd tracking? |
| 20:16.02 | Andols | Not part of Draenor? |
| 20:16.02 | Simca | lol |
| 20:16.18 | Simca | and ashran is its own map |
| 20:17.15 | VIad | ashran/the capitals are part of draenor map |
| 20:17.26 | VIad | like, no loading screens in between the zones in draenor |
| 20:19.17 | kd3 | that doesn't mean much any more. there's lots of places on draenor where, though you don't see a load screen, you change instances |
| 20:21.47 | mfgmfg | <VIad> fyi ashran is not part of draenor <VIad> ashran/the capitals are part of draenor map ?? |
| 20:22.02 | kd3 | the capitals are. ashran itself isn't |
| 20:22.10 | VIad | was at the FP in the city |
| 20:22.28 | Maldivia | hmm, that's "xp glow" thing on the xp bar, that's new, right? |
| 20:22.31 | VIad | tried to use the toy to teleport draenor<->outland |
| 20:22.50 | VIad | but it errored with "wrong zone" and it is supposed to give a buff and directions to closest portal |
| 20:23.17 | kd3 | maldivia, where, if you gain xp, it slowly fills up rather than jumping? yes |
| 20:23.30 | Maldivia | kd3: and the "fireworks" around it |
| 20:26.56 | Maldivia | kd3: because it's apparently not a part of the xp bar, I've changed the scale of my XP bar, but the firework/spark is still scale 1 :) |
| 20:27.03 | kd3 | lol |
| 20:27.30 | Maldivia | in the beginning I was like, wtf is this yellow thing that keeps exploding on the top of my screen |
| 20:32.36 | Maldivia | kd3: http://i.imgur.com/t2WLkXm.png top: scale(1), bottom: scale(0.66) |
| 20:36.03 | TheDanW | mfgmfg: you're referring to the crafters list located in guild UI -> change dropdown to professions -> view all -> View Crafters button? |
| 20:37.30 | mfgmfg | yes TheDanW |
| 20:37.37 | mfgmfg | when i have more than 10 in there, the scroll doesn't work |
| 20:40.53 | Maldivia | well, the scrollbar moves... the content doesnt :) |
| 20:42.32 | TheDanW | thanks, taking a look |
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| 20:51.22 | mfgmfg | also sorting of the names might be weird. sometimes alphabetical, sometimes not? |
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| 21:08.48 | TheDanW | mfgmfg: the UI will scroll correctly in an upcoming patch |
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| 21:10.24 | TheDanW | they sort online alphabetical first then offline alphabetical, that seems to be working |
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| 21:58.03 | Thunder_Child | gah, functional languages can bite my shiny metal ass. |
| 21:58.26 | bshelden | happily works away in Scala |
| 22:02.34 | foxlit | Story time: within the space of ~15 seconds and for like four hours, I forgot my password had caps in it. |
| 22:03.57 | foxlit | (this clearly would not have happened if Blizzard made operating systems) |
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| 22:06.11 | Guill | That's why all my passwords consist entirely of numbers. That way I don't have to remember capitalization. |
| 22:06.31 | bshelden | hunter@ |
| 22:07.55 | Thunder_Child | brute forces Guill's passwords. |
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| 22:12.04 | Simca | Guill: do you do some variant of what lazy people who use letter passwords do for ones that require numbers (i.e. password -> 123password, so like 123456789 -> abc123456789) |
| 22:12.05 | Simca | ? |
| 22:16.31 | LexSfX | i just merged 7 branches of a wow addon into the main repo... wonder if it'll work! |
| 22:16.53 | LexSfX | at least each branch was used for a separate pull request |
| 22:20.57 | Xuerian | So I can't remember. Is there some architectural reason we don't have GetItemBindType and IsItemSoulbound, or their values in GetItemInfo? |
| 22:22.55 | Guill | Simca: But then how would I remember whether "abc" is upper or lower-case? I just refuse to use any service that doesn't let me set my password to "123456" |
| 22:23.27 | LexSfX | Xuerian: idk, but some addons get that info by reading the item tooltip currently |
| 22:23.34 | LexSfX | which is obviously a lame way |
| 22:24.04 | Xuerian | Yeah, I do that for XLoot but that's not so annoying (and laggy) as trying to use bind status in bag sorting. |
| 22:24.27 | Guill | Xuerian: Getting the static bind type (i.e. BoP vs. BoE vs. BoA) should definitely be possible. Getting the current bind status is a little more difficult |
| 22:25.48 | Xuerian | Ah. I guess it's one of those things where if we could see what tooltips were doing, we'd need a drink |
| 22:26.03 | Simca | that is generally the case with tooltips |
| 22:26.16 | Guill | Yup |
| 22:29.03 | Ssateneth | Is it a bug or a feature that items lose their equip level once they become soulbound? |
| 22:29.17 | Simca | feature |
| 22:29.23 | Ssateneth | stupid. |
| 22:29.39 | Simca | or at least if it is a bug, it's a bug that has existed since vanilla alpha |
| 22:29.53 | Ssateneth | <.< |
| 22:29.57 | mckenziemc | time makes all unfixed bugs into features |
| 22:30.11 | Simca | yeah, mckenziemc |
| 22:30.21 | Ssateneth | in my entire time of playing wow until legion prepatch, the equip level has always shows on the tooltip, regardless if it was soulbound or not |
| 22:30.22 | Guill | It'll still show the equip level if you don't meet it. |
| 22:30.40 | Simca | maybe some addon put it back |
| 22:30.43 | Ssateneth | i'm talking about equipping a boe |
| 22:30.45 | Xuerian | Hm. Where do I make API feature requests, then. If it's easy, I'll definitely ask for the static type. Still saves a reasonable amount of scanning. |
| 22:31.27 | Simca | Ssateneth: it's never shown level req on soulbound items, afaik |
| 22:32.03 | Guill | Xuerian: The WoWI Wish List forum (http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=15) is probably the best place to document it |
| 22:32.04 | Ssateneth | on quest BoP items, correct |
| 22:32.20 | Ssateneth | but what about boss drops that are bop |
| 22:32.23 | foxlit | did people give up on the official ui forum? |
| 22:32.26 | Ssateneth | that have equip level reqs |
| 22:32.33 | Ssateneth | and BoEs have level reqs |
| 22:32.54 | Simca | never |
| 22:33.09 | Guill | foxlit: We try to read it, but the official forum is for more than just AddOn authors and the feedback from you all can easily get lost among the people trying to use AddOns |
| 22:33.24 | Simca | i remember because i always would have to shift-link the item back to myself to see the req level if i did care |
| 22:33.40 | mfgmfg | oh. did clicking break on beta again |
| 22:33.45 | Simca | (item links always show it) |
| 22:34.13 | Simca | mckenziemc: i found that item drops from rare spawns in kalimdor have been broken for the entire history of the game |
| 22:34.28 | foxlit | I imagined some sort of CM-based filtering that eventually translates into emails :) |
| 22:35.29 | Gnarfoz | you should get back to reality |
| 22:36.08 | Simca | it's also that the official forums high amount of non-dev-related content in the UI forum scares away most authors to wowui |
| 22:36.13 | Simca | wowi* |
| 22:36.29 | foxlit | but I like it here in my everyone-involved-has-a-cs-degree fantasy. |
| 22:36.32 | Xuerian | Guill: Thanks. Bumped the associated thread with your added info. |
| 22:36.55 | Simca | foxlit: is marine biology a trigger phrase for you now? |
| 22:37.59 | foxlit | no; emphasis on cs is not intentional. |
| 22:38.21 | Guill | Xuerian: hahaha, didn't see that there was already a request from 2007. >.> |
| 22:38.32 | Xuerian | Yeeeeeah. |
| 22:39.49 | Simca | mckenziemc: and they'll probably never fix it because it's just too late to make a sweeping change to hundreds and hundreds of loot tables. would also break the transmog market for kalimdor greens, which are generally the most expensive transmog greens because they can't drop from rares. |
| 22:43.28 | foxlit | question: is there some reason we didn't implement cancellable filterable buff frames by disjoining visual elements from the default ui's buff icon frames and repositioning them as required? |
| 22:46.56 | Gnarfoz | question: are you drunk? |
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| 22:47.43 | Simca | i remember when right-clicking buffs was a taintable action |
| 22:48.05 | Simca | and you could be forced into a situation mid-raid-fight where you had to frantically type out script commands to remove them |
| 22:48.18 | Simca | those were good times |
| 22:48.45 | Gnarfoz | I don't see how they are over |
| 22:50.45 | Simca | they fixed it in one of the recent expansions, either MoP or WoD |
| 22:51.47 | Gnarfoz | I'm reasonably sure I still had that in WoD |
| 22:51.53 | LexSfX | yeah, i had been using elkano's buffbars in tbc, and then suddenly some time during wotlk, right-clicking the buff bars was a taintable action |
| 22:51.58 | Gnarfoz | or well, tehy are simply not cancellable |
| 22:52.03 | Gnarfoz | doesn't require tainting them :D |
| 22:52.11 | foxlit | ('taintable action' is a trigger phrase, though, Simca) |
| 22:52.17 | Gnarfoz | but I haven't tested recently |
| 22:52.34 | foxlit | (because it really ought to be separated into 'protected action' and 'easy-to-taint framexml code') |
| 22:52.50 | Primer | I just kept a macro full of /cancelaura whatever |
| 22:52.58 | Simca | WoD actually introduced a few unremovable buffs |
| 22:53.23 | Simca | i guess they were tired of using debuffs for positive effects just so you couldn't remove them |
| 22:54.26 | LexSfX | yeah, that was always weird |
| 22:54.47 | LexSfX | "this debuff is actually a buff!" |
| 22:59.01 | foxlit | Simca: (out-of-order answer) by ignoring them, now. |
| 23:00.38 | foxlit | tracking two branches is always painful; I'm sure the current code will do something extremely silly one of those days. |
| 23:00.45 | foxlit | s/always/also/ |
| 23:04.33 | Thunder_Child | I tried removing some buffs running an old dungeon yesterday with EBB and it wouldn't work. No errors, it simply wouldn't cancel. |
| 23:04.59 | foxlit | and as I say that, it already did; 'UNIQUE constraint failed: builds.id' because the renumbering code was silly. |
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| 23:31.36 | Guill | Xuerian: After carefully considering that request for nine and a half years, I've added the bind type as a return value to GetItemInfo. Should be in for 7.1. |
| 23:32.03 | Xuerian | Guill: Aww, and it almost lived to see its ten year anniversary. RIP |
| 23:32.12 | Xuerian | (thanks :p) |
| 23:32.31 | Guill | Hmm. That's a good point. I'll go ahead and revert that change and make it again next January. |
| 23:32.42 | Guill | >.> |
| 23:32.42 | Xuerian | Hooray! |
| 23:32.44 | Xuerian | (shit) |
| 23:37.43 | Semlar | stop breaking things |
| 23:38.48 | Thunder_Child | Guill: You keep that up and people are going to expect things from you. |
| 23:38.59 | nebula | slippery slope, indeed |
| 23:39.35 | Ressy | lol |
| 23:51.02 | Gnarfoz | there's been more done in the last month than in the last couple of years already, so we're past that by quite a bit |
| 23:51.44 | Neffi | I wonder what happened |
| 23:51.50 | Neffi | was it Semlar's fault? |
| 23:51.56 | Ssateneth | Hum. Hey Guill, got a question. Do you know about when GetSpellPowerCost was added? |
| 23:51.57 | Semlar | o.o |
| 23:52.25 | foxlit | Ssateneth: 6.1.0. |
| 23:52.26 | Ssateneth | Just a curiosity if you know ballpark of when it happened |
| 23:52.40 | Ssateneth | Well answers that :P |
| 23:52.54 | Fisker | doesn't know what sleep is and hugs Cairenn |
| 23:53.00 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 23:57.38 | Semlar | ...rface\AddOns\Blizzard_TalentUI\Blizzard_TalentUI.lua:230: attempt to call global 'GetNumUnspectPvpTalents' (a nil value) |
| 23:57.46 | Semlar | honestly |
| 23:59.17 | Semlar | is this your typo guill |
| 23:59.18 | Stanzilla | haha |
