| 00:05.26 | Neffi | Good a channel as any to ask: I'm looking for a mech keyboard. Simple appearance, no "gaming" aesthetic or bright LEDs, cherry MX browns, N key rollover, well-built, laser-etched or at least not cheap pad-printed keys. It seems like Ducky is the only one that fits the bill. Any others to look at? |
| 00:07.08 | Stanzilla | Corsair |
| 00:07.09 | nebula | Gnarfoz could probably chime in on that, he's got a problem with key caps |
| 00:07.41 | kullervo | Ducky is cheap and VERY sturdy |
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| 00:07.59 | Neffi | Ducky isn't really "cheap". It's about the right price |
| 00:08.26 | nebula | they're about as cheap as you can get, really, not gonna find much below ~100$ |
| 00:08.39 | kullervo | keyboards are like shoes, anything under $150 is "cheap" |
| 00:08.51 | Neffi | nebula: Thanks for the ping. Yeah, it seems like all the solid, basic boards at a good price use very bad pad printing on the keycaps. See: Rosewill. I really dont wanna go full out and buy third party keys too |
| 00:09.08 | Neffi | nebula: Their boards seem to range $150-200, not $100 |
| 00:09.16 | Stanzilla | Neffi: that one already too much gaming for you? http://www.corsair.com/en-us/strafe-mechanical-gaming-keyboard-cherry-mx-brown |
| 00:09.20 | nebula | yea, thats what i ment, ~150 |
| 00:09.38 | Neffi | Stanzilla: that looks awful |
| 00:09.40 | nebula | i have some friends with cool master boards that they're pretty happy with |
| 00:09.45 | Neffi | especially the tilted WASD |
| 00:09.48 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 00:09.51 | Neffi | :| |
| 00:09.55 | Stanzilla | that is optional |
| 00:10.03 | Neffi | and I'd prefer no backlight |
| 00:14.19 | nebula | i like letter black lights, but i don't get the appeal of the full keyboard glow you see on gaming shit now-a-days |
| 00:14.33 | nebula | letter backlighting* |
| 00:15.25 | Neffi | I would be OK with letter backlighting if: it didn't bleed like that Corsair, it was white, and I could turn the brightness way down so it was just enough to see the letters in a dark room |
| 00:15.42 | nebula | yea, that's how i use it |
| 00:15.56 | nebula | i have a g710+, doesn't bleed too much |
| 00:16.14 | Neffi | also very ugly :) |
| 00:16.35 | Neffi | I like the look of the Das 4C but it's Greetech switches and pad printed keys :( |
| 00:16.57 | nebula | yea, too big/bulky, but my keyboard died and it was on sale so i got one |
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| 00:31.54 | scotepi | How can I tell what expantion is active? IE I wan to put code in my addon that will only go live when legion is active |
| 00:35.15 | nebula | scotepi: GetExpansionLevel() probably the simplest way |
| 00:36.28 | scotepi | Thanks, looking at it there are 2, one is GetAccount so that wont be global |
| 00:36.46 | scotepi | The other thing though is my trial account returns 5 for both |
| 00:37.00 | nebula | LE_EXPANSION_LEVEL_CURRENT seems to work, too |
| 00:37.28 | scotepi | LE_EXPANSION_LEVEL_CURRENT returns 6 witch is leigon |
| 00:37.50 | nebula | oh, right |
| 00:37.52 | scotepi | GetExpansionLevel return 5 which is correct |
| 00:38.40 | scotepi | has no idea what the current expantion is >< |
| 01:00.11 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.41 | Semlar | he claims you guys added an "api call" because the "max distance camera nerf" broke the zoom-out portion of dynamic cam |
| 01:03.54 | Seerah | I miss being able to zoom my camera out... I feel like I can't see around my character. :( |
| 01:05.35 | Seerah | Never used the script to go past the slider, but it feels like I can't zoom as far as I used to. |
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| 01:08.40 | alestane | kd3: ping |
| 01:09.46 | alestane | Or anyone else who knows the "WoW on Linux" business. |
| 01:10.40 | kd3 | pong |
| 01:11.08 | kd3 | make sure to downgrade to dx9 (as wow defaults to dx11 in 7.0) |
| 01:13.32 | Semlar | the function appears to be GetCameraZoom() |
| 01:14.06 | Semlar | and it obviously returns the distance the camera is zoomed out |
| 01:14.56 | nebula | now break the game with it |
| 01:16.35 | alestane | kd3, better than opengl? |
| 01:16.46 | alestane | ALthough right now, I am stuck on connecting. |
| 01:16.49 | kd3 | yah, I haven't used opengl since mid-mists, I think |
| 01:17.05 | kd3 | wine's d3d9 implementation has been solid for years |
| 01:17.10 | alestane | I can run WoW directly, but the battle.net app and WoW both fail to connect. |
| 01:17.26 | alestane | Do I just do that from the WoW config.wtf? |
| 01:18.02 | kd3 | yah |
| 01:18.19 | ajmitch | wow's opengl renderer was rewritten for legion, is unsupported & apparantly buggy |
| 01:18.31 | alestane | SET gxApi "dx9" or something similar. |
| 01:18.35 | ajmitch | d3d9 |
| 01:18.52 | alestane | Cool. Where do I start to troubleshoot the connection issue? |
| 01:19.56 | ajmitch | if it's an old version of wine or on a slightly old distro, then probably the gnutls issue where it still offered ssl3 |
| 01:22.03 | alestane | I'll have to check. |
| 01:23.05 | ajmitch | that was a problem a few months ago though |
| 01:23.25 | alestane | Wine 1.6.2...that's old, right? |
| 01:23.34 | ajmitch | very |
| 01:23.42 | ajmitch | 1.9.15 is current |
| 01:25.22 | alestane | Kernel's 3.19. It's a mint distro. Should we focus on upgrading that first? |
| 01:26.04 | ajmitch | the problem was in wine using an older version of gnutls, newer version of wine passes the right flags to connect I think |
| 01:26.12 | ajmitch | just uses the wine ppa on ubuntu |
| 01:26.59 | alestane | So, should we be able to jump to updating wine? |
| 01:27.11 | ajmitch | hopefully |
| 01:27.25 | alestane | I'll take a look at that angle then |
| 01:27.53 | ajmitch | winehq PPA puts the newer version of wine into /opt anyway, so it's mostly harmless to install alongside |
| 01:32.17 | fewyn | spine of deathwing is such a pain |
| 01:37.15 | kd3 | beyond remembering to swap sides every 8 seconds? |
| 01:42.47 | alestane | ajmitch, running the directions I found to use the ppa installed wine 1.6.2 again. DO I need a repo or something, or a different kernel version to support it? |
| 01:44.09 | ajmitch | alestane: https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu |
| 01:44.51 | fewyn | i think the only raid pre-mop i didn't do this weekend is baradin hold |
| 01:45.27 | ajmitch | alestane: might be a different PPA to what you have, and a different package name |
| 01:47.10 | fewyn | kd3: i discovered i kill every tentacle except one then alt tab for a bit until i have enough corruptions |
| 01:47.19 | fewyn | then dance after i kill the last corruption and run him through the stuff |
| 01:47.39 | fewyn | then sit on secure spot until it blocks and kil lthe plate thingie |
| 01:52.13 | Gethe | Neffi: If you're still looking http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/code-keyboard.html |
| 01:53.50 | alestane | ajmitch: This time I got it tto upgrade to 1.9.15 |
| 01:53.53 | fewyn | i can't decide if i want to get the transmog mammoth |
| 01:54.04 | alestane | WoW-64 runs, I need to see if I can fix the battle.net app. |
| 01:55.24 | Neffi | Gethe: I havent heard of this. It looks good. Thank you! |
| 01:56.08 | ajmitch | alestane: hopefully it should just run as-is |
| 02:01.53 | alestane | ajmitch: WoW runs okay if I run it direct. |
| 02:02.11 | ajmitch | that's progress, launcher doesn't connect though? |
| 02:02.36 | alestane | When I let it download the battle.net app, it keeps telling me over and over that the Battle.net Helper application has encountered a serious problem and needs to be closed. |
| 02:02.50 | alestane | It says this over and over until I close Batte.net |
| 02:03.11 | ajmitch | https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?iId=28855&sClass=version has some hints on this, might be font related |
| 02:03.23 | ajmitch | didn't have this problem so can't say for sure |
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| 02:20.32 | Krapsy | hows diablo 3 nowadays |
| 02:31.41 | fewyn | pretty fun imo |
| 02:31.47 | fewyn | fun enough that wow is ripping from it |
| 02:33.06 | Krapsy | wow |
| 02:33.10 | Krapsy | like what |
| 02:33.36 | kd3 | the new mythic dungeon mechanic is basically grifts |
| 02:41.03 | g0urra | man I feel like such a hacker. fixed the Parrot error |
| 02:46.48 | Semlar | can you put any enchants on heirlooms now, i have no idea how the scaling works |
| 02:58.03 | Seerah | Aha! Why didn't I check that before? :( My max camera distance slider had reset itself to "near". /sigh |
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| 03:08.42 | alestane | So, in C and C++ one can cast an expression to void to avoid compiler warnings. Is there a corresponding construct in C#? |
| 03:10.34 | Iriel | alestane: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3894378/how-to-do-a-static-cast-in-c ? |
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| 03:11.41 | Corrodias | huh... what in the world is the purpose of this? |
| 03:12.26 | Iriel | Im not sure you can fully avoid type handling though |
| 03:12.26 | alestane | Well, I'm trying to call an expression for its side-effects and discard the resulting value. |
| 03:12.44 | Corrodias | you can't simply cast from one type to another, unrelated one. there's a hierarchy in languages like C# and Java that, i know, C/C++ don't have. |
| 03:12.58 | Corrodias | you can simply write the expression, then, and not assign it to a variable |
| 03:13.12 | Iriel | Is there some trick here that requires you to care about the value to begin with? |
| 03:13.21 | Iriel | I mean, can't you just go "foo()" |
| 03:13.22 | Iriel | ? |
| 03:13.37 | alestane | "Only assignment, call, increment, decrement, and new object expressions can be used as a statement" |
| 03:13.52 | alestane | In this case, it's a property getter and not a function call per se. |
| 03:13.55 | Corrodias | i believe "call" is what you're looking for |
| 03:14.04 | Corrodias | treat operator as function calls |
| 03:14.40 | Iriel | I'm not a C# developer AT ALL, but I wonder if another option is 'dynamic' ? |
| 03:15.18 | Corrodias | a getter is a function call, so don't worry about it. try it and see. |
| 03:15.37 | Corrodias | although... come to think of it, i'm not sure -how- you call it... |
| 03:16.09 | Iriel | In general getters shouldn't HAVE side effects. |
| 03:16.17 | Iriel | (At least, not externally visible ones) |
| 03:16.24 | Corrodias | no, they should not |
| 03:16.33 | Corrodias | but setting that aside, this is an interesting question now |
| 03:16.38 | alestane | Well, te ultimate goal was to force the static constructor to be called, so I switched to constructing a throwaway instance. |
| 03:18.02 | Ssateneth | Anyone here using "Scroll Combat Text" addon? I need to blacklist a certain heal spell from showing up as its super spammy. |
| 03:18.45 | Corrodias | not a bad approach, though technically you don't need to make an instance: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2654010/how-can-i-run-a-static-constructor/2654684#2654684 |
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| 03:19.34 | ShaunDreclin | Anyone have updated documentation on ModifyEquipmentSet? |
| 03:19.51 | ShaunDreclin | it says it wants a number for the icon but its just giving me a green square when I give it one |
| 03:19.54 | Corrodias | but i warn you, this is a code smell. you shouldn't normally need to care about a static constructor having been called -before- you ever actually use the class, since it automatically happens just before the first use |
| 03:21.31 | alestane | Corrodias, I have what seems to me to be a werid case. |
| 03:21.37 | alestane | sp* |
| 03:22.10 | Corrodias | what does the static constructor do? |
| 03:22.11 | alestane | I have to be able to select between different subclasses based on string values saved in another class. |
| 03:22.48 | alestane | So I have a static dictionary which maps the name strings to the factory delegates. |
| 03:23.11 | alestane | I don't want all the correspondences hard-coded in one place. |
| 03:23.21 | Corrodias | a factory... that's fair. and you're trying to automatically build the available types that the factory can produce. |
| 03:23.30 | Corrodias | *build the list of available types |
| 03:23.39 | alestane | So each class is in charge of adding its own factory to the dictionry. |
| 03:23.48 | alestane | In a static constructor. |
| 03:24.12 | alestane | Then all I have to do is make sure that these constructors are pre-called, n a suitable way. |
| 03:24.13 | Corrodias | i've seen something like this... how about this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26733/getting-all-types-that-implement-an-interface |
| 03:25.01 | Corrodias | what if your factory does something like this, in order to build a list of available types implementing the interface that it's producing instances for, rather than making each type responsible for adding itself to the factory's list? |
| 03:25.51 | alestane | Well, in my case they're subclasses of a root class. |
| 03:26.25 | Corrodias | i believe the "isassignablefrom" version would work for that, just use the root class instead of "IFoo" |
| 03:27.17 | alestane | Would I be able to retrieve a static property with the same name from each type? |
| 03:28.37 | Corrodias | unfortunately no, if you want to do something like that (without resorting to really ugly reflection), you'll need to use some polymorphism by creating instances and reading a non-static property. what property is this? maybe you don't -need- it...? |
| 03:28.56 | alestane | It's the name that the factory will be filed under in the dictionary. |
| 03:30.01 | Corrodias | that's what i thought might be the case. can you get away with using the name of the type, as that string? there are ways to get that. |
| 03:31.45 | Corrodias | you can see the examples of what sort of strings you can get from the type object in the commented portion here: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.type.tostring(v=vs.110).aspx |
| 03:32.05 | Corrodias | Name would probably be sufficient for your purpose |
| 03:33.27 | Corrodias | so rather than each type specifying a custom lookup string, the factory can just make up its own based on the type's name |
| 03:34.07 | alestane | Not sure the gains are worth retooling at this point. |
| 03:35.06 | Corrodias | perhaps not. refactoring isn't always the most valuable thing you can do. bear it in mind for the future, if you like. |
| 03:52.53 | Cidan | nevcairiel: do you still maintain libbabble? |
| 03:59.25 | Cidan | Is there an updated event list for 7.x? |
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| 04:10.48 | Cidan | jk got it |
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| 05:18.55 | ShaunDreclin | is there a way to get an icon ID from it's name? like "ability_cheapshot" to 132092 |
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| 06:00.02 | jnwhiteh | Am I correct in reading that there may be 3-4 talent specializations for a hero and that there may also be dual spec at the same time? |
| 06:00.17 | jnwhiteh | so for Clique does it possibly make sense to have all of those as possible click-sets? |
| 06:00.56 | Mr_Rabies | no dual spec anymore, but you can swap between all class specs at any time out of combat |
| 06:01.08 | jnwhiteh | so there is no dual spec? |
| 06:01.23 | Mr_Rabies | it's basically tri/quad spec now |
| 06:01.27 | nevcairiel | well, there is dual/triple/quadruple spec |
| 06:01.34 | nevcairiel | depending on your class |
| 06:01.35 | jnwhiteh | there's still API for it |
| 06:01.37 | jnwhiteh | that's why I ask |
| 06:01.37 | Mr_Rabies | dual spec for demon hunter :v |
| 06:01.37 | jnwhiteh | GetNumSpecGroups |
| 06:01.53 | jnwhiteh | GetActiveSpecGroup() - Returns the index of the current active talent group for the player. (added 5.0.4) |
| 06:01.53 | jnwhiteh | SetActiveSpecGroup() - Changes the active specialization/talents/glyphs group (dual-spec). (added 5.0.4) |
| 06:01.53 | jnwhiteh | GetNumSpecGroups() - Returns the number of specialization group (dual specs) the player has. (added 5.0.4) |
| 06:02.48 | Mr_Rabies | but yeah you're not really "bound" to any number of specs. each one has a actionbar set, etc |
| 06:02.56 | nevcairiel | those were disabled though, GetNumSpecGroups just returns 1 |
| 06:03.02 | jnwhiteh | that's what I figured, thanks <3 |
| 06:03.13 | nevcairiel | you can just respec your one spec more freely |
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| 06:14.04 | Fisker | barely hugs Cairenn |
| 06:14.11 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 06:14.57 | Phixion | :( |
| 06:15.48 | Fisker | hey Phixion |
| 06:15.48 | Fisker | i |
| 06:15.53 | Phixion | hey |
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| 07:11.25 | Cairenn | Bah, what are the 'virtues' programmed into purl? I remember 'laziness', but I don't remember the rest |
| 07:11.40 | kd3 | ~impatience |
| 07:11.41 | purl | IMPATIENCE: The anger you feel when the computer is being lazy. This makes you write programs that don't just react to your needs, but actually anticipate them. Or at least that pretend to. Hence, the second great virtue of a programmer. |
| 07:11.44 | kd3 | ~hubris |
| 07:11.44 | purl | HUBRIS: Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. |
| 07:12.01 | Cairenn | snuggles kd3 |
| 07:12.06 | Cairenn | Thank you |
| 07:12.09 | kd3 | <3 |
| 07:17.19 | Simca_ | ~laziness |
| 07:17.19 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 07:17.43 | Simca_ | this all sounds very true. |
| 07:25.24 | airtonix | i remember when fisker was real |
| 07:25.53 | airtonix | not this like hugbot masquerading here |
| 07:32.05 | karl_w_w | me too |
| 07:33.06 | Cairenn | He's still real, I just mellowed him over time |
| 07:33.27 | karl_w_w | wow, drink spiking is illegal you know |
| 07:33.33 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 07:33.45 | kd3 | haha |
| 07:34.41 | AcidWeb | :-) |
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| 07:42.18 | Gethe | ~fear of complexity |
| 07:42.18 | purl | FEAR OF COMPLEXITY: That which causes you to implement as little as possible, as simplicity is easier to fix. As well, that which prevents feature creep due to the environmental damage it causes. Hence, the fourth great virtue of a programmer. |
| 07:43.28 | Simca_ | i am fairly bad at that |
| 07:43.36 | Simca_ | I have FEAR OF EDGE CASES |
| 07:44.11 | nevcairiel | complex code is more often prone to more complex edge cases though =p |
| 07:44.37 | Simca_ | all of my more complex code is purely edge case handling |
| 07:47.12 | Simca_ | one of my professors remarked on one of my projects: "at some point, you have to assume the user is not intentionally trying to crash your application" |
| 07:47.31 | kd3 | ...how long has that professor been teaching? |
| 07:47.52 | kd3 | I got that beaten into my by every CS professor I ever had |
| 07:49.04 | nevcairiel | error checks are not what makes for complexity though, it just makes for verbosity |
| 07:49.59 | Simca_ | it was supposed to be a simple assignment, it was like a CS 102 equivalent class, and I went out of the way to handle every single way the user could possibly enter invalid input. since this is C++ and it was command line reading over several different types of inputs, there were -a lot- of ways |
| 07:50.48 | kd3 | ugh. don't relish those days. <3 going 'here, console-input-reading-library, tell me what the user typed in' |
| 07:57.48 | Fisker | I am hugbot please insert human |
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| 08:10.41 | AcidWeb | Another GetMapLandmarkInfo() candy. Sometimes west alliance gate on IoC move 10 pixels up. |
| 08:10.49 | AcidWeb | API start to return diffrent Y location. |
| 08:13.07 | AcidWeb | Or Aliance contractor used sub-standard materials and gate just slide from cliff. |
| 08:19.26 | diesal | GetSpellinfo is returning a number now instead of spell icon path , how do we get the file path now? |
| 08:19.49 | Simca_ | with much difficulty |
| 08:20.34 | Simca_ | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/filedatalib/ is a possibility |
| 08:23.06 | diesal | sigh |
| 08:38.00 | diesal | LOL oops i wanted to set a texture to a spell icon and i have a filter that dosnt allow anything that inst a string through to SetTexture, apparantly SetTexture accepts these new numbers |
| 08:43.43 | VIad | diesal: jupp. you can just use the api as it was before, strings or the fileIDs, both work with the old API |
| 08:43.57 | VIad | SetTexture > SetColorTexture if you need RGBA though |
| 08:44.47 | diesal | yeah i just had a filter on SetTexture it would only allow strings through the new spell icon textures are numbers now, all good now |
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| 10:55.02 | Semlar | does anyone know of a quest that has multiple different objectives for the same target |
| 10:56.01 | Semlar | eg. kill x number of these units, loot y number of things off of them |
| 10:57.03 | Simca_ | out of curiousity Semlar are you using the int32[] QuestItems array from WDB CreatureCache to populate this addon of yours? |
| 10:57.19 | Simca_ | because i have noticed a few funny things |
| 10:57.27 | Semlar | nah |
| 10:57.47 | Semlar | i'm scanning the tooltip for quest objectives |
| 10:58.09 | Simca_ | the cache was saying this worg should drop a quest item |
| 10:58.25 | Simca_ | but the worg in question is actually a summoned unit, spawned when orcs dismount |
| 10:58.32 | Simca_ | and is unlootable because he's just a guardian |
| 10:58.51 | Semlar | :x |
| 10:59.14 | Simca_ | fel orcs* |
| 10:59.31 | Semlar | i have been leveling through hellfire and noticed some of these quests don't even populate the tooltip |
| 10:59.49 | Simca_ | the hilarious thing is |
| 10:59.51 | Semlar | like one of the first quests where you're supposed to loot blood off the orcs, doesn't put anything in the tooltip |
| 11:00.03 | Simca_ | it's a Terokkar Forest quest |
| 11:00.06 | Simca_ | that's why I noticed |
| 11:00.14 | Simca_ | I was like 'well, maybe it's right' |
| 11:00.41 | Simca_ | 'I wouldn't have wandered an entire zone away from a leveling quest BACKWARDS and then gone to kill level 60 fel orc worgs' |
| 11:01.48 | Aftermathh | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:01.49 | Simca_ | http://www.wowdb.com/quests/10018-vestments-of-the-wolf-spirit http://www.wowdb.com/npcs/18706-bonechewer-riding-wolf |
| 11:01.56 | Semlar | :O |
| 11:02.34 | Simca_ | and there's some other weird stuff in that array |
| 11:02.53 | Simca_ | it was updated for icehowl in legion to include http://www.wowdb.com/items/129912-hide-of-icehowl as a quest item drop from him |
| 11:03.03 | Simca_ | except neither wowhead nor us has ever seen icehowl drop it |
| 11:03.07 | Simca_ | and no quest claims it |
| 11:03.57 | Semlar | maybe they just used the same wolf |
| 11:04.40 | Simca_ | yeah i guess they could have recycled the npc completely in the bonechewer riding wolf case |
| 11:06.00 | Simca_ | another amusing thing - all the TBC mobs got http://www.wowdb.com/items/35229-nether-residue added to their QuestItems array |
| 11:06.23 | Simca_ | all the skinnable TBC mobs* |
| 11:06.57 | Simca_ | apparently before this, skinners were really shafted by that daily quest and it only was skinnable from like 5-10 different mob types |
| 11:07.24 | Semlar | i've been having great fun with the cvar that makes random non-interactable objects appear to be interactable |
| 11:07.39 | Simca_ | lol wut |
| 11:07.51 | Semlar | there's a cvar that appears to be used for debugging purposes or something |
| 11:08.03 | Semlar | and makes it so you can hover over doors and stuff and see their doodad name |
| 11:08.15 | Semlar | mostly interactable quest objects though |
| 11:08.50 | Semlar | it's called GameObjForceMouseOver |
| 11:09.00 | Semlar | it's probably my favorite cvar |
| 11:09.32 | Simca_ | hmm |
| 11:09.34 | Semlar | because you get a cogwheel and stuff and have no idea whether it's really something you can interact with until you click on it |
| 11:09.43 | Simca_ | that might actually be really important |
| 11:10.00 | Simca_ | the functions relating to gameobject are heavily restricted |
| 11:10.07 | [TOM_RUS] | does it open closed doors? :P |
| 11:10.11 | Simca_ | but i believe a few work on mouseover |
| 11:10.44 | Simca_ | just pulling GUIDs off mouseover would be sweet, we could pull location data for tons of objects |
| 11:11.18 | Simca_ | database sites are super limited in location data for objects atm - if you can loot, we can record the location where you were standing when you looted it and call that a day |
| 11:11.48 | Simca_ | but that's about it, the other 99% of objects in the game go without data and are forcibly hidden away by DB sites |
| 11:12.04 | [TOM_RUS] | Simca_, you can just write a program that dumps everything you see (and even not see) to some DB :P |
| 11:12.19 | Simca_ | yeah but then I would have to actually play the game |
| 11:12.32 | Semlar | hovering over instance portals show like "Instance Portal (normal + heroic)" |
| 11:12.43 | Simca_ | also data for just one user is never good |
| 11:12.55 | [TOM_RUS] | there's so many thing around the player that are present, but not visible |
| 11:12.59 | [TOM_RUS] | things* |
| 11:13.02 | Simca_ | yeah |
| 11:13.12 | Semlar | creepy |
| 11:13.33 | Simca_ | elevators would be fun |
| 11:13.55 | Simca_ | can you see the mouseovers on them too? |
| 11:14.53 | Semlar | seems almost completely random as to what objects have a mouseover |
| 11:15.12 | Semlar | the only pattern i've noticed is it's mostly to do with temporary objects or things you interact with for quests |
| 11:16.02 | Semlar | like there's a big symbol on the floor in baron rivendare's chamber called "menethil's gift" which has a tooltip |
| 11:16.45 | Semlar | the entire giant forcefield around the beast boss in diremaul has one |
| 11:17.19 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.19 | Andols | How do you make those kind of mouseovers show? |
| 11:19.35 | Simca_ | <Semlar> it's called GameObjForceMouseOver |
| 11:19.35 | Simca_ | <Semlar> it's probably my favorite cvar |
| 11:19.55 | Semlar | specifically /run SetCVar("GameObjForceMouseOver", 1) |
| 11:20.33 | Semlar | i like it because there are actually names for objects that it just doesn't show you for some reason |
| 11:20.46 | Semlar | and not just random_doodad_01 |
| 11:21.45 | Simca_ | my guess is that fixing all the ones that did say 'random_doodad_01' was proving too time-consuming |
| 11:22.12 | Simca_ | i remember in vanilla finding a campfire named like that in Stonetalon Mountains |
| 11:22.26 | Simca_ | now, they just don't show you names, so they can't make that mistake |
| 11:22.44 | Andols | Don't forget everyones favorite door "Doodad_Nox_door_spider02" |
| 11:23.32 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.18 | Semlar | that's what it looks like |
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| 11:31.21 | Andols | How do you know what is "forced" vs normal tooltip? |
| 11:32.54 | Semlar | you don't |
| 11:33.18 | Semlar | so i just go around clicking everything with a cogwheel |
| 11:35.15 | Andols | As you said that i tried to click "Flowers for Tony" and wondered why nothing happened :P |
| 11:35.42 | Andols | Gravedecorations in Honor Hold |
| 11:50.33 | Semlar | for some reason most braziers and bonfires get highlighted, and i think it might be because you can cook with them |
| 11:54.12 | Andols | hmm, any more fun Cvar you know of? :P |
| 11:54.31 | Semlar | >_> |
| 11:55.08 | Andols | Also, is your character name Mouseover or did you mask it? :P |
| 11:55.53 | Semlar | that's my character's name |
| 12:01.45 | Andols | Nice coincidence :P (or not, still funny :)) |
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| 12:37.51 | Simca_ | posted a basic overview of FileDataIDs, ModelFileDataIDs, and TextureFileDataIDs: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=316945#post316945 |
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| 14:09.53 | Arrow|work | i told it "your mother was a texas instruments calculator" |
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| 14:47.38 | AcidWeb | UI don't have any build-in function to copy function? |
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| 15:12.54 | Neffi | AcidWeb: no way to copy a function in WoW |
| 15:13.05 | Neffi | well, I don't think so at least |
| 15:13.34 | AcidWeb | Yeah I unnecessarily complicated this matter. |
| 15:13.37 | Neffi | in stock lua you'd use string.dump to get a bytecode copy, and load/loadstring to load it |
| 15:13.40 | AcidWeb | I will just pre-hook. |
| 15:13.55 | Neffi | and then maybe you would need to debug.* to fix up values |
| 15:14.33 | Neffi | see if string.dump exists. it might. I have a feeling loadstring wouldn't accept binary mode though |
| 15:15.35 | AcidWeb | string.dump don't exist anymore |
| 15:15.50 | Neffi | if you want to overcomplicate it even more, and string.dump exists, you could dump it, then compile the dumped bytecode to lua source and loadstring THAT |
| 15:15.51 | Neffi | ;) |
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| 15:31.37 | AcidWeb | Build-in timer system that display battleground and challenge countdown have also mode to create only bar without that shiny countdown |
| 15:33.58 | Ketho | Simca_: if that is a basic overview I'm scared of the full overview :x |
| 15:37.21 | nevcairiel | TheDanW: do you happen to be around? I found a rather annoying bug with key bindings to custom action buttons that really annoys some users of my action bar addon .. http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54008 |
| 15:38.27 | nevcairiel | TheDanW: i would also accept being told that tehre is in fact a different way to do keybindings to secure buttons that i'm not aware of! :D |
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| 16:11.58 | Kee | Can "for _, VALUE in pairs(TABLE) do â¦" be written better if KEYs does not matter, but there are not integers? Or lua limits us to write _ aka KEY unnecessary? |
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| 16:26.17 | TheDanW | Semlar: yeah, i added GetCameraZoom, he was basically determining the camera zoom by reading the cvar at max zoom then hooking zoom in/out to keep track |
| 16:27.16 | TheDanW | nevcairiel: i'm pretty sure i know why, i'll have someone look at it, but i wouldn't expect a fix for 7.0.3 :/ |
| 16:27.28 | nevcairiel | TheDanW: :( |
| 16:27.31 | nevcairiel | users will be sad |
| 16:28.22 | maunot | I bet it's some sort of "QoL" thingy to prevent accidentally clicking interface elements when aiming those 3d spells :p |
| 16:28.39 | nevcairiel | you cant actually click on things, neither in 6.2 or 7.0 |
| 16:28.43 | nevcairiel | only keybinds work |
| 16:28.54 | nevcairiel | and most keybinds continue to work, just "click" type bindings do not |
| 16:29.51 | TheDanW | nevcairiel: depending on what the fix is, i'll present it to the powers that be for worthiness |
| 16:30.17 | nevcairiel | do cookies help? |
| 16:35.00 | nevcairiel | anyway appreciate anything you can do TheDanW :) |
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| 16:38.49 | TheDanW | nevcairiel: just to be clear, your expected result is while you have a targeting spell on your cursor, pressing any bind that would result in a different spell cast would cancel the targeting and attempt cast the new spell? |
| 16:39.00 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 16:39.06 | nevcairiel | just like it does with default action bars |
| 16:39.27 | TheDanW | is this primarily for things like click casting on a unit frame? |
| 16:39.29 | nevcairiel | right now not even the OnClick of those buttons executes |
| 16:39.39 | nevcairiel | TheDanW: not at all, just an action bar addon |
| 16:41.02 | nevcairiel | although it would affect mouse-over casting on unit frames equally |
| 16:41.53 | TheDanW | ok, we'll discuss it and figure it out, thanks for the report |
| 16:41.54 | nevcairiel | Bartender4 (my action bar addon) creates full custom action buttons, and the only way I know of to keybind those is using SetBindingClick ... and then they behave like described in the post, ie. they dont cancel the targeting cursor |
| 16:42.09 | mfgmfg | yep, me and someone else in my guild noticed this issue and it is annoying us |
| 16:42.26 | mfgmfg | works fine with default UI, breaks with bt4 |
| 16:42.32 | TheDanW | i see, thanks for the clarification |
| 16:43.31 | nevcairiel | as described in the post, you can break the default UI by re-binding the default action buttons using click bindings as well, so it seems directly related to that sort of binding |
| 16:43.46 | TheDanW | indeed |
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| 17:05.31 | Miiru | Why cant I put up my Christmas decorations anymore :( |
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| 17:06.06 | Stanzilla | because it's fucking 40C for over a week now |
| 17:06.36 | Miiru | not in my garrison :P |
| 17:07.10 | nevcairiel | i ordered an AC unit today Stanzilla, i cant take this shit anymore |
| 17:07.30 | Stanzilla | link? |
| 17:07.42 | Fisker | weak nevcairiel |
| 17:07.42 | Fisker | weak |
| 17:07.53 | nevcairiel | jelly Fisker |
| 17:07.57 | Fisker | n |
| 17:09.11 | Stanzilla | liiink |
| 17:09.26 | nevcairiel | https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00U65A9M8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 |
| 17:10.55 | Thunder_Child | All three of my cousins are in Germany right now. I'd be laughing at them except it's the same dumb temperature in Los Angeles. |
| 17:11.20 | nevcairiel | well at least AC comes standard in the US |
| 17:11.28 | Thunder_Child | Hardly. |
| 17:11.32 | nevcairiel | around here its rather uncommon in homes, and even not standard in offices |
| 17:11.58 | Thunder_Child | Only for newer buildings. Mine was made in the 40's and it did not come with AC. |
| 17:12.34 | Thunder_Child | Although work does indeed have fantastic cooling. All except the server room. |
| 17:12.46 | nevcairiel | that sounds backwards |
| 17:13.40 | Thunder_Child | Wellcome to an ad hock shoehorned mentally retarded server room. |
| 17:13.50 | Thunder_Child | hoc* |
| 17:14.25 | Stanzilla | *bookmarks* |
| 17:20.43 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s5RFgd59ao |
| 17:20.48 | karl_w_w | that's pretty awesome |
| 17:21.27 | Infus | TheDanW: is anything resemnling this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P08sv3s8Ps a known bug? |
| 17:21.40 | Infus | otherwise I'll try to produce a minimal example |
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| 17:23.47 | foxlit | karl_w_w: pretty terrible. |
| 17:24.01 | karl_w_w | wow foxlit |
| 17:24.14 | karl_w_w | wowwwww-uh |
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| 17:28.50 | foxlit | It's not exactly surprising, and the choice of example instantiations is overly complex. |
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| 17:30.57 | Aftermathh | Can anyone help please? http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54009 |
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| 18:05.05 | TheDanW | Infus: we have that fixed internally |
| 18:05.15 | Infus | good to know, any eta? |
| 18:05.31 | TheDanW | next patch, your guess is as good as mine on when that is |
| 18:05.36 | Infus | and thanks, saves me a ton of time |
| 18:06.57 | Infus | and thanks for fixing that |
| 18:09.49 | TheDanW | nevcairiel: we have the click binds fixed, but it'll probably go out next patch - Guill is out today, but he might be able to come up with a work around when he comes in |
| 18:10.11 | nevcairiel | next patch meaning 7.1 or 7.0.4? |
| 18:10.40 | nevcairiel | but thanks for fixing this! :) |
| 18:11.58 | TheDanW | something like that, yeah ;p |
| 18:12.51 | Infus | so you have your own branch, and you don't know when and into which main branch you merge? Or how does your development look like? |
| 18:19.38 | Thunder_Child | It looks like an Escher painting. |
| 18:25.08 | TheDanW | more like PR would rather that i didn't say anything about unannounced patches, so i don't :) |
| 18:29.33 | fewyn | you don't have to say anything |
| 18:29.36 | fewyn | blink once for yes |
| 18:29.38 | fewyn | two for no |
| 18:30.36 | bshelden | three for "They're coming, RUN" |
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| 18:49.25 | Ressy | lol |
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| 19:19.47 | zenzelezz | "Why do we need the new version of ActionScript 3.0" - something I still don't expect to see in a game's patch notes |
| 19:20.30 | Aftermathh | Hey everyone, could anyone look at this? I think the UpdateGlow or Hooksecure, is wrong if anyone could correct this would be really nice!! :) http://hastebin.com/otododijom.lua |
| 19:26.24 | Yoshimo | Torhal: is there anything you can do to avoid printing out "unknown" digsites in archy when zygor guides is active? |
| 19:29.07 | Torhal | Yoshimo: Tell them to fix their shit. WoWHead Looter was causing the same thing, but apparently they're fixing it now. |
| 19:29.27 | Torhal | Oh |
| 19:29.28 | Torhal | Wait |
| 19:29.58 | Torhal | That's completely different. The thing with WHL was they were screwing up filters so Collectinator was showing Unknown for things in the Collections panel. |
| 19:30.21 | Torhal | Still, same stance: They need to stop behaving as though they're the only thing running. |
| 19:31.00 | kd3 | re the issue I reported last night, the 'unknown' bit was popping up in collectinator's ui, not blizzard's |
| 19:31.03 | kd3 | also, I don't run wowhead's addon |
| 19:31.33 | Torhal | kd3: Yeah, but it was caused by them screwing with the filters in the collections panel - that's where Collectinator gets its info. |
| 19:31.49 | Ressy | but without wowhead's addon.. it can't screw with filters. |
| 19:31.53 | Torhal | I'm assuming the digsites thing is Zygor fucking with the map in a bad way. |
| 19:31.53 | Ressy | default is all off. |
| 19:32.09 | Ressy | Torhal: Essentially, you should turn all filters on when Scan is hit. |
| 19:32.12 | Ressy | Like I said :P |
| 19:32.40 | Torhal | Let Ackis do it. Collectinator has always been his baby. |
| 19:32.41 | Torhal | >.> |
| 19:32.43 | Ressy | lawlz |
| 19:33.03 | Torhal | All it is to me is a fork of ARL that causes double work. |
| 19:33.16 | nevcairiel | then unify it already =p |
| 19:33.35 | Torhal | Give me unlimited time. |
| 19:33.50 | nevcairiel | ok, you are unlocked for unlimited time now |
| 19:33.57 | Torhal | Lies. |
| 19:34.03 | Thunder_Child | Prove otherwise. |
| 19:34.08 | nevcairiel | you get it in the 24 hour batches every day |
| 19:36.38 | Stanzilla | hey Torhal |
| 19:36.44 | Stanzilla | I heard you want to merge C and ARL |
| 19:36.56 | Torhal | Yes, with /dev/null |
| 19:37.13 | Thunder_Child | So CARL? |
| 19:37.29 | Stanzilla | CAAARRRLLL |
| 19:37.39 | Torhal | "GET IN THE HOUSE, CARL!" |
| 19:37.57 | Stanzilla | cAAAARLLL this is killing people |
| 19:44.16 | zenzelezz | a waist of time coral |
| 19:46.05 | mckenziemc | that's a nice belt you've got there zenzelezz |
| 19:46.31 | zenzelezz | I enlightened a colleague about that meme last week. He's still laughing |
| 19:48.02 | mckenziemc | ah, wasn't sure if where your line was between a reference and a typo |
| 19:48.46 | Aftermathh | Hey everyone, could anyone look at this? I think the UpdateGlow or Hooksecure, is wrong if anyone could correct this would be really nice!! :) http://hastebin.com/otododijom.lua |
| 19:49.22 | Xuerian | "is wrong" |
| 19:49.33 | Xuerian | please describe the nature of your emergency |
| 19:50.04 | Torhal | "XLoot stole mah drop!" |
| 19:50.41 | Xuerian | sigh |
| 19:50.56 | karl_w_w | my stomach was making the rumblies, that only hands would satisfy |
| 19:51.03 | Aftermathh | Everytime i open my bags, the whole client freezes for like 4-5 secs. |
| 19:51.21 | Gnarfoz | binary search \o/ |
| 19:51.24 | Aftermathh | Cause of the UpdateGlow/Hooksec |
| 19:51.38 | Gnarfoz | (or is that all the addon code you're running?) |
| 19:52.24 | zenzelezz | what steps have you tried to pin down the problem so far? |
| 19:55.17 | Aftermathh | I've tried a lot of things |
| 19:55.31 | Aftermathh | Not sure what to do anymore |
| 19:58.26 | foxlit | Bathe in cleansing fire? |
| 19:59.26 | Thunder_Child | I think nuclear holocaust would be a better phrase. |
| 20:00.40 | Gnarfoz | nuke it form orbit, it's the only way to be sure |
| 20:01.30 | foxlit | Semi-serious, really: you could iteratively delete additional chunks of that code until it stops taking seconds to execute |
| 20:01.56 | zenzelezz | or the other way around; remove it all and introduce pieces at a time |
| 20:02.03 | zenzelezz | depending on what you need to test it |
| 20:02.12 | foxlit | Or you could try to figure out which part is taking a disproportionate amount of time. |
| 20:02.55 | zenzelezz | it may be low tech, but printf/echo/cout/console.log/... are still primary tools for debugging |
| 20:03.09 | foxlit | Checking if it gets triggered an expected number of times would also be interesting. |
| 20:06.47 | Aftermathh | Im not super good with debugging or super high with what's actually better way to run the code. :) |
| 20:07.27 | Aftermathh | I know like basic stuff |
| 20:07.36 | foxlit | (the linked code is generally meh, but nothing stands out as "this rightfully takes forever to run") |
| 20:08.15 | Aftermathh | Indeed, not sure what does it |
| 20:08.57 | Aftermathh | Worked fine before patch tho |
| 20:09.32 | foxlit | Spoiler: major patches change how things work. |
| 20:09.49 | maunot | I'm thinking it's the :SetBackdrop() calls :p |
| 20:10.33 | maunot | not only due to the fact that you're creating about a hundred tables each time you open the bags, but I think they might get the same load-from-disk thingy as with SetTexture? or something. |
| 20:11.13 | foxlit | How bad would that code have to be to load the same asset from disk multiple times within a single frame? |
| 20:12.35 | Aftermathh | So how do i fix that? :p |
| 20:13.21 | maunot | well, first of all you could try commenting out the two lines calling :SetBackdrop to see if it's actually causing the problem :P |
| 20:14.20 | maunot | probably the SetBackdropBorderColor as well if it throws an error because there's no backdrop |
| 20:14.49 | Aftermathh | Yeah its that's what causing the problem |
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| 20:18.30 | maunot | yeah fixing it might be a bit tricky I suppose. SetBackdrop seems a bit flawed since you need to re-define everything (apparently) even if it's just the edgeSize that you want to change, which likely entails the reload-from-disk if you're using your own assets :p |
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| 20:21.14 | Aftermathh | I mean, nobody else has this problem those that have glow on thier bag borders :P |
| 20:22.59 | Aftermathh | Okay |
| 20:23.12 | Aftermathh | I tried to change the path of the texture |
| 20:23.20 | Aftermathh | When i changed from my own to "Interface\\Buttons\\WHITE8x8" |
| 20:23.23 | maunot | err yeah, I was gonna suggest using blizzards own assets :p |
| 20:23.26 | Aftermathh | It fixed the problem |
| 20:23.52 | maunot | good :p |
| 20:25.29 | Aftermathh | Finally lol, been sitting on this for like a week |
| 20:26.31 | Semlar | TheDanW: when i call GetSpellPowerCost OnUpdate i end up generating a ton of garbage, is there a better way to monitor the cost of a spell that might change |
| 20:40.17 | Tentacled | Either I missed some train, or what..? I'm running hooksecurefunc("TaxiFrame_OnShow",function() print("blah") end) and... it doesn't fire. Neither on TaxiFrame, nor on WorldMapFrame, I didn't bother checking others. I thought I always did it like that... |
| 20:41.09 | Torhal | Tentacled: Get rid of the string and use the frame directly. |
| 20:41.26 | Tentacled | Nope. I get a "usage" error. |
| 20:42.14 | Seerah | TaxiFrame:HookScript("OnShow", function() print("blah") end) |
| 20:42.19 | Torhal | Oh, that is right |
| 20:42.45 | Tentacled | Seerah, is that sure to fire after the built-ins? |
| 20:42.55 | Semlar | it will always fire when the frame is shown |
| 20:43.08 | Torhal | Tentacled: TaxiFrame_OnShow is probably declared in the frame's OnShow script. |
| 20:43.18 | Tentacled | Yyyes, Semlar, but I specifically need it to fire after the built-in _OnShow. |
| 20:43.19 | Torhal | Er, called. |
| 20:43.21 | Semlar | what you had before won't because that function is being referenced in the xml before you hook it |
| 20:43.46 | Seerah | Tentacled: yes, it's a hook |
| 20:44.16 | Tentacled | Semlar, I don't know how hooking mechanisms work internally, so it being referenced doesn't tell me much, aside from the fact that I could overwrite TaxiFrame_OnShow=nil and it'd still work ;) |
| 20:44.35 | Tentacled | because of the reference saved in the frame. |
| 20:44.43 | Semlar | it's making a local copy of the function that you haven't hooked yet, and calling that OnShow |
| 20:45.00 | Semlar | then you hook it, and it doesn't use your hooked function because it has its own local copy |
| 20:45.14 | TheDanW | Semlar: there's nothing that gives you the same info as GetSpellPowerCost, is it actually slow or just looks bad? Guill optimized the gc deallocator in 7.0.3, it should considerably faster now |
| 20:45.22 | TheDanW | +be |
| 20:45.41 | Tentacled | I thought hooks were something more than secure copies replacing the original, calling the saved original and then hooked functions... :> |
| 20:45.44 | Semlar | i just want the current cost of a spell like GetSpellInfo used to return or whatever function did it |
| 20:46.36 | Semlar | i don't need all of the other infos |
| 20:47.03 | Simca_ | Tentacled - frame:HookScript does what you want, it's a secure post-hook that does not alter the original function |
| 20:47.30 | Semlar | TheDanW: https://youtu.be/qsA_hO8krBQ here's a very exciting recording |
| 20:47.35 | Simca_ | :SetScript is what you'd use if you wanted to alter the original function, and it is obviously insecure |
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| 20:48.25 | karl_w_w | wow starbound released |
| 20:48.57 | TheDanW | Semlar: so it just looks bad, doesn't actually affect performance |
| 20:49.12 | Semlar | yeah |
| 20:49.20 | Semlar | probably |
| 20:49.35 | Semlar | hard to tell, i don't think i'd notice a difference on my computer |
| 20:49.35 | Tentacled | Simca_: I know the mechanics of Hook/SetScript, I only thought that hooksecurefunc would work somehow internally "over" Lua, not merely body-replacing the function with a hook-caller :> |
| 20:50.50 | TheDanW | Semlar: there's no other API available currently |
| 20:51.29 | Semlar | yeah, i was scraping the tooltip after power cost was removed from the original function and GetSpellPowerCost hadn't been added yet |
| 20:52.05 | Simca_ | Tentacled: but hooksecurefunc isn't replacing any function body |
| 20:52.20 | Semlar | i only need to know when a spell has actually changed its power cost, but i don't think there's any event or anything |
| 20:52.38 | Simca_ | those are a different style of hook, hooksecurefunc is a secure post-hook |
| 20:52.49 | TheDanW | nope, there's too many things to watch for, the event would trigger constantly |
| 20:53.00 | TheDanW | we could make it at least take a table to re-use |
| 20:53.04 | Seerah | Tentacled: and HookScript is also a post-hook |
| 20:53.21 | Semlar | if it took a table as a second argument that would help |
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| 20:55.37 | Semlar | i actually don't know what all of these values mean |
| 20:56.08 | Semlar | i assume requiredAuraID is for spells that require a buff on you to cast |
| 20:56.31 | Simca_ | yes |
| 20:56.39 | Semlar | not sure what costPercent is |
| 20:56.48 | Simca_ | life tap |
| 20:56.52 | Simca_ | as a hint |
| 20:57.08 | Semlar | minCost seems to be for spells that can take a range of power |
| 20:57.20 | Semlar | which i didn't even know existed |
| 20:57.23 | Simca_ | execute |
| 20:57.46 | Semlar | earth shock takes "10 to 100 maelstrom" |
| 20:58.11 | Simca_ | yeah, a dump mechanic |
| 20:58.18 | Semlar | costPerSec i guess is for channeled spells or something |
| 20:58.24 | Simca_ | yes |
| 20:59.04 | Simca_ | it's stuff that people would be on the forums complaining about if it was missing |
| 20:59.09 | Simca_ | fwiw |
| 21:00.02 | Simca_ | i am moderately confused why we were are talking about a temporary 10 MB memory spike in 2016 |
| 21:00.30 | maunot | optimize all the things! |
| 21:00.37 | Semlar | it shouldn't be generating this much garbage |
| 21:00.56 | TheDanW | the gc is fast |
| 21:01.38 | Semlar | well i wouldn't have noticed it except that someone has complained to me about my addon having a memory leak |
| 21:02.53 | Simca_ | if the definition of a memory leak includes unreferenced things awaiting GC, then every program in a managed language has a memory leak. |
| 21:03.42 | Simca_ | so that's a pretty weird complaint |
| 21:04.11 | Thunder_Child | An end user might not know the difference....or care. |
| 21:04.38 | Semlar | all they see is my addon eating a relatively large amount of memory very quickly in the stats tooltip |
| 21:04.54 | Semlar | ah good point i could hook the tooltip.. |
| 21:05.00 | Semlar | this is genius |
| 21:05.02 | nevcairiel | Semlar: so tell them that its irrelevant :p |
| 21:05.13 | Simca_ | rofl |
| 21:05.25 | Semlar | i'll just take my addon out of the tooltip, problem solved |
| 21:05.33 | kd3 | lmao |
| 21:05.39 | Simca_ | oh man, it would be even better if you lied about it |
| 21:05.39 | Thunder_Child | No, that does not solve the problem. |
| 21:05.47 | Semlar | no i'm pretty sure it does |
| 21:05.50 | nevcairiel | remind me to not ever use any semlar code |
| 21:05.58 | nevcairiel | i should kill Stanzilla for using Semlar code in AIO |
| 21:06.12 | Stanzilla | why |
| 21:06.16 | Simca_ | hardcode it to display the memory usage for your addon as 1337 KB |
| 21:06.30 | Thunder_Child | I think we have a different definition of 'solve'. |
| 21:06.31 | Simca_ | "oh wow this addon is so lightweight" |
| 21:08.16 | Semlar | GetAddOnMemoryUsage = function() return 0 end |
| 21:08.38 | Simca_ | oh god semlar |
| 21:08.42 | Semlar | o.o |
| 21:09.37 | TheDanW | new error message in next patch: Execution tainted by Semlar while reading GetAddOnMemoryUsage |
| 21:09.40 | kd3 | coming in the patch notes for 7.0.4... "Functions involving AddOn Memory Usage have been protected" |
| 21:09.41 | kd3 | lol |
| 21:09.47 | Simca_ | rofl |
| 21:09.49 | Semlar | :( |
| 21:15.58 | Semlar | nevcairiel: are you saying they're adding the ability to /click a button to cast a ground targeted spell in your post on wowi |
| 21:16.12 | nevcairiel | why would I claim that |
| 21:16.15 | nevcairiel | i made a bug report |
| 21:16.22 | Semlar | i don't understand your post |
| 21:16.22 | nevcairiel | and reported that it was fixed |
| 21:16.28 | nevcairiel | thats your problem =p |
| 21:16.34 | Semlar | well fuck you then |
| 21:16.51 | Semlar | don't elaborate |
| 21:17.48 | Semlar | we've never been able to click cast a spell like that |
| 21:18.03 | nevcairiel | it has nothing to do with click casting |
| 21:18.16 | kd3 | didn't foxlit post a video of him doing that? |
| 21:18.56 | Thunder_Child | Assuming I understood it correctly, it has to do with dumping the currently held spell. |
| 21:20.30 | Simca_ | ah, spell dragging fun |
| 21:20.48 | Thunder_Child | Not that kind of held. |
| 21:21.37 | maunot | it's about being able to /click buttons or use binds that do clicks (basically any actionbar addon that adds custom buttons) while you have a ground-targeted spell awaiting cast :p |
| 21:22.03 | kd3 | oh, yah, that's pissing me off now |
| 21:22.14 | Semlar | you can just clear the cursor with a macro until they fix it |
| 21:22.36 | maunot | that's about as much work as right clicking! |
| 21:22.53 | Semlar | well i meant the addon could bind clearing the cursor into whatever you're casting |
| 21:23.40 | nevcairiel | no you cant |
| 21:23.50 | nevcairiel | the entire OnClick isnt being executed when such a spell is on the cursor |
| 21:23.55 | maunot | I worked this out in my mind and the only way you can disable it semi automatically has been disabled :P |
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| 21:31.09 | Semlar | SetOverrideBindingMacro is still run, but requires an actual macro |
| 21:32.05 | Simca_ | also will bork at you about dangerous scripts |
| 21:32.10 | jnwhiteh | New Clique posted with support for talent specs |
| 21:32.14 | jnwhiteh | its a beta version so get it here: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5108#comments |
| 21:32.20 | jnwhiteh | if it works and is suitable I can promote it tomorrow |
| 21:32.24 | Semlar | shouldn't do anything with dangerous scripts simca |
| 21:32.45 | Semlar | isn't that only if you use /run or /script |
| 21:33.25 | Simca_ | yeah, true, i was thinking of macrotext buttons |
| 21:33.54 | Semlar | i mean unless you actually put /run in the macro |
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| 22:09.53 | foxlit | http://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/master-plan#c3851 << I wonder who broke that |
| 22:10.32 | Stanzilla | did curse.com anchor links ever work for anyone? |
| 22:10.37 | foxlit | (also, linking to curse comment anchors never works for me -- it scrolls to some nonsense location) |
| 22:10.43 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 22:10.50 | Zeldo | They used to |
| 22:11.19 | foxlit | see #3851 anyway, might require scrolling |
| 22:12.05 | foxlit | Think curse exchanged one set of bugs for another, larger, set of bugs with that comment system. |
| 22:12.29 | nevcairiel | its like they are cursed |
| 22:12.33 | nevcairiel | i'll show myself out |
| 22:12.45 | nebula | comment links, proper nesting, who needs em |
| 22:13.07 | foxlit | The ?comment=123 redirect never quite worked right around threads and paging, but at least anchors worked previously. |
| 22:13.36 | znf | foxlit, that shit is reflowing |
| 22:13.40 | znf | bad curse web deves are bad |
| 22:13.41 | znf | devs* |
| 22:13.45 | znf | cc Zeldo |
| 22:13.52 | Zeldo | Donât worry I seen it |
| 22:13.54 | Zeldo | No cc needed |
| 22:14.04 | Zeldo | Luckly I am not a web de |
| 22:14.05 | Zeldo | v |
| 22:15.52 | foxlit | I wonder why there are no proper electronics stores in US airports |
| 22:17.23 | Zeldo | Yea, all we have is markup crap for basic users |
| 22:22.55 | pompy1 | https://twitter.com/summit1g/status/757701351501500416 |
| 22:29.06 | TheDanW | nevcairiel: the click fix will be pushed as a hotfix soon(tm) |
| 22:29.13 | nevcairiel | TheDanW: yay! :D |
| 22:29.17 | nevcairiel | you guys are great :) |
| 22:32.42 | Neffi | don't encourage them! |
| 22:32.56 | p3lim | Wait, has CLEU always been limited to fire only while in combat? |
| 22:33.04 | nevcairiel | p3lim: nah |
| 22:33.10 | nevcairiel | there is no such limit that I know of |
| 22:33.14 | Neffi | WAT |
| 22:33.26 | Simca_ | no ofc not |
| 22:33.27 | p3lim | Never fires unless I'm in a dungeon or in combat it seems |
| 22:33.47 | Seerah | If it shows up in the Combat Log, it should fire CLEU |
| 22:33.49 | nevcairiel | i just healed myself while standing idle in my garrision and got CLEU events |
| 22:33.52 | p3lim | Even the eventtracer is mute |
| 22:34.00 | nebula | you is brokt |
| 22:34.14 | Simca_ | stand in a capital city, you should get spam all around you |
| 22:34.23 | Simca_ | as people do various things, like craft items |
| 22:35.03 | p3lim | Standing in the middle of warspear, nothing |
| 22:35.08 | Torhal | spams Zeldo with comment anchors. |
| 22:35.15 | nevcairiel | maybe you are broke p3lim |
| 22:35.30 | p3lim | Unless I hit the dummies, then my chatframe goes flying |
| 22:36.19 | nevcairiel | i'm standing next to the dummies and get messages from other people just fine |
| 22:36.26 | nevcairiel | not being in combat with them ofc |
| 22:36.49 | p3lim | yeah I'm not getting anything, even tried restarting the game |
| 22:39.38 | nevcairiel | maybe you have an addon doing weird things |
| 22:40.02 | p3lim | how can an addon change how an event functions? :s |
| 22:40.20 | nevcairiel | Semlar would find a way |
| 22:41.21 | p3lim | takes a look at WorldFlightMap |
| 22:41.22 | Semlar | you could unregister the events from every frame that has it registered unless you're in combat |
| 22:41.26 | Semlar | o.o |
| 22:41.32 | Semlar | rude |
| 22:42.43 | Semlar | the addon you're trying to print from may exit early if you aren't in combat |
| 22:43.17 | p3lim | I ran a quick test with /run |
| 22:43.18 | maunot | thought it was blizz eventtrace? :p |
| 22:43.32 | p3lim | and yes, as maunot mentioned, it's not showing up in etrace |
| 22:43.43 | Semlar | ah |
| 22:43.45 | maunot | try doing /run EventTraceFrame:RegisterAllEvents() |
| 22:43.57 | Semlar | i thought you said printing to the chat though |
| 22:44.13 | p3lim | that was my own test in case someone messed with etrace |
| 22:44.56 | Semlar | well it's not impossible for an addon to do that, but i can't imagine why it would |
| 22:45.22 | Semlar | did you try disabling all the things? |
| 22:45.27 | maunot | maybe they're thinking like, "hey let's optimize wow and unregister all cleu events when not in combat" |
| 22:45.39 | Semlar | you know i actually did that once with WORLD_MAP_UPDATE |
| 22:45.58 | Semlar | it was firing like 20 times in a row |
| 22:46.05 | p3lim | running bare except for bugsack & grabber |
| 22:46.07 | nevcairiel | i actually do that with WMU, but only during execution of my own code and restore it right after to suppress updates |
| 22:46.36 | Semlar | maybe it's bugsack |
| 22:46.51 | Semlar | you gotta turn 'em all off! |
| 22:46.55 | foxlit | bonus question: what if your code is crashed by the "script took too long" error? |
| 22:47.19 | p3lim | everything off, still the same |
| 22:47.25 | Semlar | well you broke it |
| 22:47.30 | p3lim | yup |
| 22:47.42 | Seerah | Why'd you have to go and break it? |
| 22:47.50 | Semlar | go through your config.wtf files and check if there's something related to combat set |
| 22:47.51 | p3lim | I didn't mean to |
| 22:47.52 | p3lim | :( |
| 22:48.10 | Semlar | or maybe just rename your wtf folder temporarily and see if it still does it |
| 22:49.43 | Semlar | you are watching COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED and not COMBAT_LOG_EVENT right |
| 22:49.46 | p3lim | nope :/ |
| 22:49.51 | p3lim | yeah ofc |
| 22:49.55 | Semlar | i'm just sayin |
| 22:50.00 | p3lim | I know the difference |
| 22:50.02 | nebula | i remember that happening in raids before, except cleu didn't fire at all, but i'm pretty sure just restarting the client fixed it |
| 22:50.02 | Semlar | mhm |
| 22:50.08 | diesal | whats the easiest way to check if all addons have been loaded, its a global variable ? |
| 22:50.27 | p3lim | diesal: ADDON_LOADED |
| 22:50.40 | Seerah | well, that fires for every addon that loads |
| 22:50.41 | Semlar | all addons? |
| 22:50.41 | diesal | that only fires when each addon is loaded |
| 22:50.45 | diesal | all addons |
| 22:50.48 | p3lim | then match it with the last one |
| 22:50.52 | Seerah | VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 22:50.58 | Semlar | what do you mean all addons |
| 22:50.58 | Seerah | you can't ensure which will be last |
| 22:51.00 | nebula | addons can load based on different conditions, soooo |
| 22:51.19 | p3lim | if you want to include LoD into that you're outta luck I guess |
| 22:51.19 | diesal | dependancies debunk that |
| 22:51.20 | Semlar | some addons are only loaded on demand |
| 22:51.28 | Seerah | diesal: what EXACTLY do you want to do? |
| 22:51.30 | foxlit | "you should nor need to know" is the corrext answer |
| 22:51.42 | diesal | no it snot |
| 22:51.45 | diesal | for you maybe |
| 22:52.31 | maunot | PLAYER_LOGIN ? :p |
| 22:52.43 | p3lim | meh, it's too late for me to try to make any sense out of this, I'm gonna try it on my laptop tomorrow |
| 22:52.51 | Semlar | stop breaking things p3lim |
| 22:52.55 | p3lim | :( |
| 22:53.10 | Semlar | that's my job |
| 22:54.29 | Simca_ | diesal: pull the list of all addons and then ask IsAddonLoaded for all of them. that is the easiest way. |
| 22:54.48 | Simca_ | i am not sure why people are suggesting events |
| 22:55.10 | nebula | how are you going to know when to poll the loaded addons? |
| 22:55.12 | diesal | me either, im going to look for something SPELLS_CHANGED sets globally and use that for now |
| 22:55.32 | Simca_ | nebula: you poll them when you need to know |
| 22:55.34 | nebula | what ever you're doing is probably flawed in some way |
| 22:55.49 | nebula | but what if they're not all loaded? when would you check again? |
| 22:55.55 | Seerah | Simca_: I did ask him what he was trying to do |
| 22:56.34 | diesal | SPELLS_CHANGED fires after all addons have loaded according the event order, not really fusssed with on deamnd addons |
| 22:56.46 | nevcairiel | AddonLoader with the delayed loading mode will already screw you over :D |
| 22:56.49 | p3lim | diesal: you said all addons |
| 22:56.51 | Simca_ | SPELLS_CHANGED fires constantly |
| 22:56.56 | nebula | lol |
| 22:57.06 | Simca_ | made sure you unregister after first occurrence if you're using that |
| 22:57.09 | Simca_ | make sure* |
| 22:57.20 | Simca_ | because you will seriously regret it otherwise |
| 22:57.21 | diesal | yeah i relaseid the first eim i used i t |
| 22:57.25 | diesal | time* |
| 23:08.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (Ressy@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Ressy) |
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| 23:56.12 | mukunda | Is there a reason why addons seemingly tend to avoid using SendAddonMessage with chat-channels? Are there known caveats to using addon messages instead of normal text messages when making a chat-channel protocol? |