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| 01:13.23 | foxlit | what did the toplevel/mixed-strata story end on? |
| 01:26.22 | fewyn | mmmm tikka masala |
| 01:26.25 | fewyn | smells so good |
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| 01:29.06 | Gethe | Arrowmaster: Charlotte is pretty good |
| 01:30.13 | foxlit | Pacing trainwreck, that. |
| 01:31.48 | Gethe | well, at least *I* liked it |
| 01:33.45 | foxlit | hey, I'm not saying it's bad :) |
| 01:35.43 | Gethe | fair |
| 01:39.08 | foxlit | Art and sounds are pretty; setting is interesting. It's just the weird contrast between the thingy-of-the-week structure of the first 2/3rds, and the random explosion of plot elements never heard from again in the final ~3 episodes. |
| 01:46.14 | Gethe | yeah i could see the the second half being extended a bit, but meh |
| 02:48.07 | Simca_ | - Name from "Large Treasure Placeholder" to "I'm a bugged treasure" |
| 02:48.07 | Simca_ | - Comment from "I'll be a real treasure someday!" to "Please tell QA where you acquired this item" |
| 02:48.12 | Simca_ | rip treasure |
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| 03:15.35 | Arrowmaster | i might have just gifted this to a friend lol... http://store.steampowered.com/app/426000 |
| 03:16.05 | Torhal | lol wtf |
| 03:16.46 | Arrowmaster | thats what she said! |
| 03:17.08 | Torhal | Hahahaha |
| 03:17.23 | Arrowmaster | oh im wrong, she said 'wtf lol' |
| 03:17.34 | Torhal | Heh |
| 03:17.40 | kd3 | o_O |
| 03:20.01 | mckenziemc | should've gifted it to Semlar instead |
| 03:20.56 | Arrowmaster | i found the irony more hilairious in gifting it to her |
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| 03:34.52 | nebula | eh, my gf would be all over that, combination of clickerhero and a business sim? sold |
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| 03:40.13 | Stanzilla | https://twitter.com/sundarpichai/status/747270435696480256 |
| 03:40.17 | Stanzilla | not bad, OurMine |
| 03:46.20 | Fisker | yourmine Stanzilla |
| 03:46.32 | Stanzilla | I disagree |
| 03:48.08 | Torhal | Minesweepers Fisker. |
| 03:51.40 | Stanzilla | oh right, the last ship was today, too |
| 03:51.51 | Fisker | yay |
| 03:54.20 | mckenziemc | valentine's day was four months ago, Fisker |
| 04:03.23 | mckenziemc | #define LFSR_INIT 0xfeedfaceUL |
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| 04:11.19 | pompy1 | "Courtesy Warning: The sexual themes in this game are mostly for fun/humor and don't make for particularly great fapping material." ... lol |
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| 09:34.23 | znf | *checks mailbox* |
| 09:34.26 | znf | no artifact *cry* |
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| 11:45.45 | VIad | znf: artifact in mailbox, wut? |
| 11:46.19 | znf | VIad, yes, mine went poof |
| 11:46.50 | VIad | wtf |
| 11:46.54 | VIad | thats scary yo |
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| 12:02.43 | VIad | dont think there are any GMs handling tickets on the beta, znf |
| 12:02.57 | VIad | I would create a new 110 from template :p |
| 12:12.49 | znf | Legion box-art with "fixed" camera: https://i.imgur.com/xjUkXDJ.png |
| 12:12.50 | znf | :D |
| 12:12.59 | znf | VIad, that only works on pvp |
| 12:13.12 | znf | VIad, and I would not get back progress on the artifact (I was halfway trough rank16) |
| 12:14.00 | VIad | oh |
| 12:15.19 | znf | It's a known issue: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20745504573 |
| 12:15.31 | znf | but they already run the server voodoo for it :-( |
| 12:15.38 | znf | and I lost mine after that |
| 12:27.19 | nevcairiel | znf: dont expect them to care about individual problems with broken characters, they have said as much already :p |
| 12:27.58 | znf | they have fixed stuff! :( |
| 12:28.03 | znf | I mean, this stuff |
| 12:28.24 | nevcairiel | they dont fix individual cases though, if their automated script cant fix you, then you are stuck |
| 12:29.15 | znf | no way in hell I'm going to do this thing all over again :( |
| 12:37.35 | VIad | what happens if you delete your artifact weapon on purpose? |
| 12:37.38 | VIad | game over screen? :p |
| 12:38.05 | nevcairiel | with any luck it wont let you |
| 12:48.06 | VIad | when you confirm deletion, your character is instantly leveled down to 100 and has to repeat the process to obtain the weapon |
| 12:48.21 | VIad | it like snapshots you back when you originally started the quest |
| 12:48.52 | VIad | btw what is the difference between 20 fps and 20 ticks (dedicated server) |
| 12:50.09 | VIad | I thought that tick and fps were interchangeable |
| 12:50.11 | nevcairiel | usually its pretty closely related, not that servers really render "frames" |
| 12:50.15 | VIad | yeah |
| 12:50.28 | VIad | 20 fps or ticks means server updates the state 20 times per second |
| 12:50.52 | VIad | apparently the game yesterday people argued that overwatch ran at 20 ticks not 20 fps |
| 12:51.16 | VIad | might as well argue that your monitor works at 144 hz and not fps |
| 12:51.30 | nevcairiel | overwatch uses a tickrate of 60 though |
| 12:52.12 | Fisker | really? |
| 12:52.19 | VIad | the dev interview said 20 |
| 12:52.23 | VIad | but they wanted to up it to 60 |
| 12:52.30 | nevcairiel | dont mix up the update rate and the tickrate |
| 12:52.31 | VIad | atm you have to set it to 60 in custom game options |
| 12:52.31 | Fisker | I'm seeing like huge differences between what happens to me and what happens to the opponent |
| 12:52.34 | nevcairiel | like any other internet scrub |
| 12:52.48 | VIad | hmm |
| 12:53.05 | VIad | well they used ticks very loosely |
| 12:53.18 | VIad | unsure if they said tick rate or update rate |
| 12:53.41 | Fisker | Doesn't really matter if it's tickrate or updaterate though |
| 12:53.42 | nevcairiel | the tickrate is how fast the server processes events, which overwatch does at 60 hz, the update rate is how often it sends info to the clients, which is lower on the default servers |
| 12:53.47 | VIad | when I said ticks I meant update rate :p |
| 12:54.23 | VIad | I know you have a client update rate option in cs |
| 12:54.29 | nevcairiel | Fisker: kinda does, you might see it slightly delayed on your end, but the server knows whats right, having a server run at a low tickrate would cause even worse behavior |
| 12:55.03 | VIad | server usually decides whats right based on its internal logic, as people with varied latencies are often simulated "what could happen" and normalized to try get more natural results on both ends |
| 12:55.28 | VIad | client to client will be more delayed on each others screens than between the client and server. haveto use magic to try be fair. |
| 12:55.40 | VIad | but more updates per second wont hurt anyone, at least not if you already have a good latency |
| 12:56.06 | VIad | hopefully less gap between the clients so all see more of the same :d |
| 12:56.24 | VIad | atm I often see in killcams that the situation was a bit different than my screen |
| 12:56.31 | VIad | even when I have 20 ms :( |
| 12:56.57 | nevcairiel | most of that is just hindsight and being shown from other viewing angles |
| 12:57.01 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 12:57.32 | VIad | seen my friend get widow sniped |
| 12:57.36 | VIad | he was behind the wall :D |
| 12:57.46 | VIad | I saw his corpse fall down from a position I knew widow couldnt have hit |
| 12:57.59 | Fisker | I had a situation the other day where I die, can see my body lie there, mercy flying in and resurrecting not me |
| 12:58.03 | VIad | then he said he saw widow kill him right before he went behind the wall :d |
| 12:58.12 | Fisker | On the kill cam she's resurrected before I even die |
| 12:58.41 | nevcairiel | maybe that person had terrible lag, it can add up to odd things happening |
| 12:58.56 | VIad | the server will try and use magic to decide what happens |
| 12:59.00 | Fisker | Wouldn't it be the other way around? |
| 12:59.10 | nevcairiel | the difference from tickrate is usually within a few milliseconds |
| 12:59.12 | VIad | though in my case, the more laggy person dictated the outcome :d |
| 12:59.21 | VIad | I would also think so, Fisker |
| 12:59.32 | VIad | prioritize handling people with less latency |
| 12:59.45 | VIad | though who knows, maybe they made it so even people with 250 ms can enjoy it |
| 12:59.46 | nevcairiel | not as much as "see me lie there and mercy fly in", which sounds like a event over a second or longer, not milliseconds |
| 12:59.48 | VIad | and play widow |
| 13:00.05 | Fisker | I would probably say it was like half a second nevcairiel |
| 13:00.07 | Fisker | But yeah |
| 13:00.14 | Fisker | It was a really big difference |
| 13:00.22 | nevcairiel | well thats not updatrate then |
| 13:00.27 | nevcairiel | because even at 20 thats max 50ms |
| 13:00.38 | nevcairiel | and thats worst case |
| 13:01.40 | VIad | wtb 60 ticks anyway, cs uses 64 |
| 13:02.15 | VIad | btw 64vs128 article, interesting read http://mukunda.com/128tick.html |
| 13:02.29 | VIad | a bit sidenote, not overwatch related :p |
| 13:04.24 | nevcairiel | in any case, for many things there is also a function of lag, and the one overwatch developer video explained that - as long as the lag isnt too bad, they allow you being hit behind cover, because thats where the enemy saw you and shot you |
| 13:04.35 | nevcairiel | you get the same benefit on your end |
| 13:05.02 | nevcairiel | thats not something tickrate or updaterate will change, lag from players is real |
| 13:05.52 | Fisker | lag is just like a social construct man |
| 13:07.09 | nevcairiel | a very high update rate and tickrate can only reduce the impact the server/client comm has, but it will never make lag-based behavior go away, you need to sit on a 0-1ms LAN connection for that :p |
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| 13:28.53 | VIad | two clients at 25 ms with the server should be at 50 ms between each other - thats not a big offset |
| 13:29.07 | VIad | considering you need a lot more time to actually run behind cover when standing nearby said cover |
| 13:29.16 | VIad | so weird how you can sometimes end up dead when behind the wall |
| 13:29.34 | VIad | does it mean the sniper had to be at 500 ms or something? |
| 13:29.47 | VIad | with shooter priority then maybe :p |
| 13:30.05 | nevcairiel | usually that happens when you are "right behind" a wall, so even 100ms can make the difference there |
| 13:31.16 | VIad | alternating duck/jump while running zigzag probably increases your odds |
| 13:31.26 | VIad | makes it harder to simulate on the server end and favor the shooter :p |
| 13:41.14 | VIad | oh man I hope I dont lose my artifact |
| 13:41.19 | VIad | I cba to level to 110 |
| 13:41.42 | VIad | I want to enjoy the game when it comes out |
| 13:41.59 | VIad | purposefully even skipped a lot cinematics and read few quests |
| 13:42.09 | VIad | cutscenes* |
| 13:42.18 | znf | Why do people sign messages with DKIM, but they don't publish their signature...?! |
| 13:42.34 | znf | VIad, only shadow/survival is in danger of losing it |
| 13:42.48 | VIad | oh |
| 13:42.51 | VIad | but why? |
| 13:42.53 | znf | what happened is that you got the artifact and everything, you did stuff |
| 13:42.56 | znf | then they did some cleaning |
| 13:42.59 | znf | applied patch |
| 13:43.01 | VIad | aha |
| 13:43.05 | znf | and when you logged on, you got the quest again |
| 13:43.11 | znf | you still had your artifact, ofc |
| 13:43.22 | znf | but if you accepted the "new" quest, and then abandon it, poof your artifact |
| 13:43.24 | VIad | you abandoned the quest? |
| 13:43.26 | VIad | xD |
| 13:43.27 | VIad | yes |
| 13:43.32 | VIad | it counts as quest item on those quests |
| 13:43.48 | VIad | you can abandon in the middle, lose it, then you get it again after doing the first parts to obtain it :d |
| 13:43.51 | VIad | I did that to test |
| 13:44.24 | VIad | znf: but you can get it back then |
| 13:44.27 | VIad | get the quest again, do it |
| 13:44.33 | VIad | you lost like power level sure |
| 13:47.10 | znf | yeah, I can get it back |
| 13:47.17 | znf | but blue post said to not get it back, because you can't have 2 :P |
| 13:47.19 | znf | if they happen to restore |
| 13:47.28 | znf | also, no way in hell I'm going all over that shit again :( |
| 13:47.33 | znf | I was halfway to rank17 |
| 13:47.47 | VIad | so high? |
| 13:48.01 | znf | dunno, didn't seem /that/ high |
| 13:48.04 | VIad | I just know atm I have no chance to level it up even if I do one week of content |
| 13:48.10 | znf | I only had a total of ~50k artifact power |
| 13:48.11 | VIad | after they did their tweaks |
| 13:48.18 | VIad | jesus |
| 13:48.27 | VIad | I felt like it would take me whole expansion to max out the artifact |
| 13:48.41 | VIad | and I felt like I reached the soft cap, after anything I did seemed so tiny |
| 13:48.45 | znf | also, I think I'd be losing the % increase from research |
| 13:48.55 | VIad | I didnt havethe % increase |
| 13:48.55 | znf | it's not that bad, really |
| 13:49.01 | znf | did you research it? |
| 13:49.05 | VIad | couldnt |
| 13:49.08 | VIad | it was bugged back in the day |
| 13:49.21 | VIad | you could but the week produced a box you clicked and got nothing :p |
| 13:49.23 | znf | at my level I was already getting like 1k AP for the first heroic of the day |
| 13:49.28 | VIad | thats a lot |
| 13:49.43 | VIad | I was lucky to get those 200 items |
| 13:49.49 | znf | and world quests grant you items that range from ~550~700 AP / item |
| 13:49.50 | VIad | or the 400 end of zone campaign type items :d |
| 13:49.56 | VIad | they ruined my math |
| 13:49.59 | VIad | after their change |
| 13:50.03 | VIad | so I dunno anymore |
| 13:50.22 | znf | normally I would have just leveled another char by now |
| 13:50.31 | znf | but Shadow is so slow and painful to level up... |
| 13:50.40 | VIad | I have been "done" with my artifact leveling (took too much time at my stage) and after their change I dont know how much is little amount of artifact power |
| 13:51.04 | VIad | if you tell me you got 1k power I'd atm be like "WTF FROM WHERE?!!" |
| 13:51.13 | znf | it's acceptable |
| 13:51.25 | VIad | that is like two whole chapters worth of quests when I leveled :p |
| 13:51.32 | VIad | you got much less back then |
| 13:51.46 | znf | right now if I did all the world quests out there, at max level, I can get like 1 rank in 2 days |
| 13:51.58 | VIad | jesus |
| 13:51.59 | VIad | so much farm? |
| 13:52.14 | VIad | for 1/3 like 5% dmg buff to some trivial ability? |
| 13:52.17 | znf | there's nothign else to do :D |
| 13:52.55 | VIad | I am unsure if casual players will cba thoug |
| 13:52.58 | VIad | if its way too slow |
| 13:53.20 | znf | also, all heroic bosses grant 100AP :P |
| 13:53.22 | znf | from dungeons |
| 13:53.34 | VIad | not when I did dungeons |
| 13:53.40 | VIad | did one two days ago |
| 13:53.49 | VIad | maybe I got the item that gave me AP |
| 13:53.58 | VIad | dont think you get 100 ap per kill like, automatically |
| 13:55.51 | znf | no, you get an item |
| 13:55.56 | znf | some pink ball thing |
| 13:57.53 | d[karl]b | the red zone is for loading and unloading passengers only, there is no stopping in the white zone |
| 14:02.07 | mckenziemc | sets fire to d[karl]b. |
| 14:03.31 | d[karl]b | classic mckenziemc |
| 14:03.32 | VIad | I guess the pink ball could just automatically be looted when boss died tbh |
| 14:03.40 | VIad | and the research % applied |
| 14:04.07 | VIad | tbh I personally dont look forward to the boss drops AP, and gold, those mislead me to believe I got gear :p |
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| 14:10.28 | mckenziemc | Get Glad, VIad |
| 14:15.31 | kullervo | autoloot is fine |
| 14:15.49 | kullervo | does the research apply to offspecs? If not, it shouldn't auto apply |
| 14:16.12 | VIad | research notes probably affect character |
| 14:16.15 | VIad | % increase |
| 14:16.15 | yalb | VIad: nil |
| 14:16.21 | VIad | yes yalb I know |
| 14:17.49 | nevcairiel | indeed research is character specific |
| 14:18.04 | nevcairiel | but AP itself applies to only one spec |
| 14:18.10 | nevcairiel | so that should not autio apply |
| 14:19.32 | VIad | ah right |
| 14:19.35 | VIad | I guess thats fair |
| 14:19.44 | mckenziemc | % print("stop confusing me, VIad!") |
| 14:19.44 | yalb | mckenziemc: stop confusing me, VIad! |
| 14:19.55 | VIad | ! print("never!") |
| 14:20.05 | VIad | !lua print("never!") |
| 14:20.10 | VIad | :'< |
| 14:20.17 | VIad | commits seppuku. |
| 14:27.24 | VIad | going to cut myself when I get home - can't wait! |
| 14:27.35 | Lopeppeppy | Poor Vlad. |
| 14:28.12 | VIad | gets greasy fast when its hot :/ |
| 14:28.20 | VIad | I like it short in the summer |
| 14:28.42 | VIad | also, harder to see my gray hair :p |
| 14:30.28 | VIad | people with long hair like Torhal, I wonder if it is ever possible to get a short haircut :p |
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| 14:42.35 | Ketho | honest question. I've been frequenting the battle.net beta/ptr forums and posted a lot lately. but I get mostly ignored or downvoted when I link a script or addon |
| 14:42.40 | Ketho | am I really just a nuisance and spamming threads http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20745704791?page=4#72 |
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| 15:02.40 | d[karl]b | wow there are still free proxies on the internets |
| 15:03.16 | karl_w_w | helping me fix my ridiculously slow connection to anything in europe because my ISP can't |
| 15:05.52 | karl_w_w | xroxy.com, a site I kinda just assumed would have died 10 years ago |
| 15:10.28 | VIad | poor Ketho :( |
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| 15:34.06 | znf | Ketho, don't worry about it |
| 15:34.09 | znf | ignore the tards |
| 15:40.44 | Ketho | okay, thanks really, for having listened to me |
| 15:44.38 | foxlit | https://go-hero.net/i/txm-tower.jpg << well, crap. |
| 15:54.49 | Neffi | wow those graphics |
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| 16:23.48 | newbie | ey:) Im very new to ui commands.. could someone -if this is possible- please give me an example of a way to shorten these two lines Ive come up with down to one line,such as a simple for-loop if that'd work, or something similar maybe?-> |
| 16:23.52 | newbie | "/run LFDQueueFrame_SetType(286)" and "/click LFDQueueFrameFindGroupButton" - this is supposed to first selec the Frost Lord Ahune (summer event boss) from Dungeon Finder's drop-down, the second is supposed to click the queue-button. |
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| 16:27.45 | Neffi | newbie: /run LFDQueueFrame_SetType(286); LFDQueueFrameFindGroupButton:Click() |
| 16:28.33 | newbie | oh reall.. a semicolon.. and second command put like :SlashCommand() after .. would that work for similar things too..? |
| 16:28.41 | newbie | cool.. awesome, thanks alot^^ :)) nice |
| 16:29.06 | Neffi | no |
| 16:30.43 | Neffi | Anyone recommend some underrated/unknown games worth picking up on Steam? |
| 16:30.51 | Neffi | I've been through the top stuff back and forth a few times already |
| 16:32.41 | newbie | what kinda games u like, or mood u in :P ..ive got too many games on Steam past year(s) now I never really got around to playing even,just thought looked nice and Id be sure to enjoy..at some point,just haven't really played anything besides WoW in long myself... :d |
| 16:33.18 | Neffi | RPG, adventure, exploration, sandbox, 3D leveling, fantasy, stealth |
| 16:33.33 | Neffi | puzzle |
| 16:34.56 | newbie | nice;open to alot it sounds..maybe even know of more than me already.. hm..:d .. |
| 16:36.18 | foxlit | talos principle, neffi? |
| 16:36.32 | Neffi | foxlit: got the tab open. was gonna check it out. thanks for the recommendation |
| 16:36.44 | Neffi | wasn't sure about that one |
| 16:36.52 | newbie | ..is one Ive got on my list of somewhat-recently bought games just yet to try, actually^^ .. |
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| 16:42.50 | newbie | if ever playd the old Age of Empires (#2, a strategy game) and didn't notice btw,was re-released as a hi-def version some year or few back i think..many good memories from long ago and night-long multiplayer matches in, may be just nostalgia and seeming old and outdated to most others nowadays tho,ifnot mayb worth a check..its cool:P ages since Ive played now though-as with most on steam really.. |
| 16:44.07 | newbie | been LF same as you, I guess.. buyin buncha apparently decent games seeming worty a try,often based on good or interesting reviews, just.. never really got around to even install most of them .. for long, I dunno.. bored or just occupied with Wow mayb :/ .. would ilke to find some games besides Wow id find worthwhile wasting much time on too..! =p |
| 16:44.22 | Neffi | considering adding the Age of Emplies legacy bundle |
| 16:44.25 | Neffi | 2 + DLC + 3 |
| 16:45.27 | newbie | :o cool..=) I never tried 3 too much but didn't enjoy it as much as I did #2,and never got the #3 on steam either.. hm |
| 16:46.39 | newbie | (long ago, like singleplayer version, some online..whatever version^^ .. seemed too different frmo #2 which I liked alot:P my views may be much influenced by past memorise of playing #2 as much,and not rly geting to know #3 either, I guess..:z (sry for my bad english btw:s:) |
| 16:49.10 | newbie | arma 3 military sim/sandbox kinda game (< i thnk its called.. unsure) seem pretty nice too I think butrequiring a good bit to get properly into.. also arma #2 has/had a mod named DayZ which seemed very promising at some point (few years ago now I think..), turned into an independent game DayZ tho last I heard,while released on steam- remained in unfinished state with recent reviews mostly bad cla |
| 16:49.34 | newbie | ..claiming nothing ever seemed to happen about the full release.. :z |
| 16:50.56 | newbie | magicka? :P not sure if still much active MP, but iirc was only few dollars or so on sale some years ago when I got it, cool lil multiplayer adventure game where u may be teamed up with 2-3 others for some quick fun .. =p |
| 16:51.02 | Neffi | already bought Magicka |
| 16:51.12 | newbie | :) |
| 16:51.13 | Neffi | not really into FPS games |
| 16:54.59 | newbie | lil thing to play even few min at a time easily on/off, pretty hard and possibly frustrating &/or addictive,with nice (?) music and possibly epilepsy-inducing graphics..:o -just a dollar; "Super Hexagon" :p ? |
| 16:56.13 | newbie | mh.. sorry think im outta suggestions for now, guessing u already know of or tried most others i might suggest then heh.. pls do say if you find something special u'd think worthwhile too,then.. been LF interesting games there for a while as well... got all kinds of various types,which I may like depending on set/setting.. =] |
| 16:59.35 | newbie | playd old Sonic on Sega.. most on Steam I think,also some re-made / new versions too it seems.. :P never really got roudn to trying those either..yet, ... or maybe I just dont really seem to assume most nice enough to motivate getting into enough ... mh, yeah.. i do play wow pretty much only lately... :x .. :\ lol =) |
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| 17:12.02 | karl_w_w | newbie: freedom planet. Neffi: ori and the blind forest |
| 17:12.44 | newbie | thx will check:)) |
| 17:14.27 | VIad | Neffi: remember to pickup the ori after the eye surgery forest dlc bundle for great value |
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| 17:17.35 | VIad | followers being your guards, you can't use stuff on them, counts as "on mission" that is suck bullcrap |
| 17:17.46 | VIad | I got to unassign it, use my upgrades, reassign as body guard... |
| 17:19.36 | newbie | as pala i can hand of protection, sacrifice,freedom, heal etc. on em atlesat..and having barracks,it does incresae follower cap from 20 to 25 (or 24 usable for missions if using a bodyguard then) hm. Don't think any upgrades on their armor/weap (or even level?unsure-) changes their capacities as bodyguards |
| 17:22.26 | karl_w_w | this is a game everyone should pick up obviously http://store.steampowered.com/app/385370/ |
| 17:23.24 | VIad | "average runtime: 10-45 min, its up to you" |
| 17:25.40 | newbie | :o lol=) |
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| 17:34.43 | zenzelezz | karl_w_w: damn, free... that's the sort of thing I'd gift people |
| 17:35.13 | karl_w_w | heh |
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| 17:57.46 | Unkle | https://twitter.com/AshParso/status/747482751222321152 |
| 18:02.06 | zenzelezz | I feel like I'm missing something |
| 18:03.05 | zenzelezz | I know it's Ja'qen, however you spell it, and the Lysene (or was it Braavosi?) style of speaking, but beyond that |
| 18:03.35 | Unkle | In order for the Faceless Men to kill someone, you had to give them a name and pay the blood price. |
| 18:03.58 | Unkle | And in Starbucks, they always want a name to write on your cup. |
| 18:04.09 | zenzelezz | oh, I see |
| 18:04.18 | zenzelezz | I think there may be a Starbucks in our capital |
| 18:05.03 | Unkle | I am convinced that when the aliens land to make first contact, the first thing they will see is a sign for Starbucks and they'll be all "What, thery're here too?" |
| 18:11.56 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 18:15.45 | Yoshimo | i used to be a big fan of gnomishvendorshrinker and goblinvendorfilter which seem to be abandoned, is there something else in that area that you can use these days? |
| 18:16.16 | nebula | they still work fine, don't they? |
| 18:18.14 | Yoshimo | not on legion as the api for auctionitem something was changed |
| 18:18.25 | Yoshimo | GetAuctionItemClasses i mean |
| 18:18.52 | nebula | ah, looks like tekkub never pushed his wod version of shrinker to wowace, either |
| 18:20.35 | TheDanW | auction item categories are built in a new way now, see Blizzard_AuctionData.lua |
| 18:21.48 | Yoshimo | i know, but similiar to multishot, it is useless to file bugs for enhancement if the author is gone |
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| 19:31.37 | Tentacled | So here I am wondering... @nevcairiel, HBD doesn't seem capable of putting map dots on the whole-Azeroth map, while it was a nice feature in my addon back when I stuck to Astrolabe. If I come up with a clean enough solution, mapping the 13 and 14 and others onto the 0 or -1 or whatnot, would you consider adding it to the HBD core if I produce a nice patch for you, or do you deem it outside of the HBD scope and I should rather handle it on m |
| 19:32.34 | nevcairiel | the game doesnt provide that data, and any data to "map" these continents is nothing but guess work, so i'm not a fan |
| 19:33.02 | Tentacled | plugs nev into a socket and checks for wind, just in case. |
| 19:34.11 | Tentacled | Well, it can be math-work, not just guess work, but I understand your point. I'll try to keep it out of HBD, then. |
| 19:35.03 | Torhal | Try? >.> |
| 19:35.37 | Neffi | inserts code into Torhal's projects by accident |
| 19:35.38 | Tentacled | That is, try to keep it all in MY code, rather than having to hack into HBD itself and making it harder for myself to benefit from nev's future work. |
| 19:36.12 | Tentacled | And I still managed to word it wrongly, didn't I. |
| 19:36.20 | Tentacled | I think it's clear, though :P |
| 19:36.26 | Torhal | inserts Neffi into Semlar's field of vision. |
| 19:36.27 | Torhal | lol |
| 19:36.46 | nevcairiel | I didnt really give it much thought how it would integrate |
| 19:37.19 | Semlar | i actually measured the azeroth math for astrolabe |
| 19:37.24 | Semlar | map |
| 19:37.27 | Semlar | math |
| 19:37.33 | Semlar | whatever |
| 19:37.39 | Torhal | maths Semlar. |
| 19:37.46 | nevcairiel | the base level coordinates in HBD are either world/instance coordinates or zone coordinates, since the azeroth map doesnt actually have instance coordinates |
| 19:38.12 | nevcairiel | there is no concept of translating coordinates between two instances as such |
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| 19:39.47 | Semlar | i don't remember how i did it anyway |
| 19:40.43 | nevcairiel | HBD assumes that every position in the world only maps to one instance coordinate |
| 19:40.55 | nevcairiel | so the design doesnt allow for having one level above that |
| 19:41.30 | Semlar | why do you want to display icons on other continents |
| 19:42.26 | Semlar | i suppose you could show things that you haven't completed yet |
| 19:45.56 | Torhal | Ain't nobody got time for that, Semlar. |
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| 19:48.17 | Tentacled | Semlar: it's perfect for showing travel paths on ships and zeppelins. |
| 19:48.50 | Tentacled | And dots on other continents when you're browsing some achievement POIs for Midsummer or something. |
| 19:49.16 | Tentacled | Sure, zooming into a continent solves it, but the overworld map riddled with dots was nice. |
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| 19:51.03 | Semlar | i personally think the map should look like this http://i.imgur.com/QslXKuk.jpg so i'm all for it |
| 19:51.28 | Torhal | TMI, Semlar. |
| 19:51.36 | Semlar | NMI torhal |
| 19:51.38 | Semlar | wait |
| 19:51.48 | Semlar | i mean NEI |
| 19:51.56 | Torhal | Not your idea? |
| 19:53.02 | Torhal | Not enough items? |
| 19:54.36 | kd3 | the best mod for modded minecraft |
| 19:57.07 | mikma | <3 Semlar map mods |
| 19:57.10 | mikma | he's the man. |
| 19:57.27 | Torhal | kd3: You should convince Semlar to do modded Minecraft. |
| 19:57.29 | Torhal | >.> |
| 19:57.35 | kd3 | lmao |
| 19:57.53 | mikma | i still have Navi stashed in my HDD somewhere, eventho i haven't been playing wow in ages |
| 20:04.26 | Semlar | that is navi with all the things on |
| 20:07.48 | mikma | turn on ALL THE THINGS! |
| 20:28.40 | VIad1 | why are TVs still sold with coaxial input? I can't get anything running on that since 2005 :p |
| 20:28.44 | VIad1 | 2010 probably, realistically |
| 20:28.46 | VIad1 | all HDMI now |
| 20:29.21 | Tentacled | Emergency fallback? Old cable TV networks? |
| 20:29.27 | Unkle | Coaxial input is still used in large parts of the US. |
| 20:29.53 | znf | <VIad1> why are TVs still sold with coaxial input? I can't get anything running on that since 2005 :p |
| 20:29.54 | znf | what? |
| 20:30.00 | znf | Ever heard about DVB-C? |
| 20:31.45 | znf | Most (all?) TVs sold in the last years have a DVB-C tuner, which is digital cable. Most of them also come with a CI+ slot. So you can get digital cable without a retarded cable box |
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| 20:48.49 | Stanzilla | bud spencer dead, too |
| 20:48.51 | Stanzilla | fuck2016 |
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| 20:53.15 | VIad1 | znf: in norway you need a decoder from a provider, they use encryption cards and require their boxes to work |
| 20:53.31 | VIad1 | there is literally no alternative for TV and imagined others to do the same, but maybe not |
| 20:53.45 | znf | VIad1, you can get a CI+ card |
| 20:54.01 | VIad | I think they still require you to get the box :p |
| 20:54.16 | Guest51726 | I hate nickserv |
| 20:54.17 | Guest51726 | what ever |
| 20:54.18 | znf | Guest51726, what provider? |
| 20:54.22 | Guest51726 | nick locked for like, 30 min now :p |
| 20:54.31 | Guest51726 | canaldigital, get, you name it |
| 20:59.14 | znf | it's hard to believe that your provider doesn't offer a CI+ card/slot for smart tvs |
| 20:59.29 | znf | https://kabel.canaldigital.no/tv/kortleser-for-idtv/ |
| 20:59.30 | znf | you suck Guill |
| 20:59.33 | znf | uhm, sorry |
| 20:59.37 | znf | you suck VIad1 |
| 21:01.33 | nevcairiel | rip bud spencer |
| 21:04.00 | nevcairiel | and indeed, most european digital cable tv uses the same tech |
| 21:04.23 | nevcairiel | only muricans have their own shit that needs special boxes and is generally horrible |
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| 21:05.15 | znf | I think they use their weird-ass ATSC or something like that? |
| 21:05.41 | nevcairiel | the encryption scheme is called CableCard |
| 21:06.28 | VIad1 | interesting. thought they wanted to sell the device :p |
| 21:06.30 | nevcairiel | OTA is ATSC, not sure if that applies to cable or if thats proprietary |
| 21:06.56 | znf | yeah, no idea what they use for cable |
| 21:07.09 | VIad1 | might have been like this earlier |
| 21:07.12 | VIad1 | I dont watch tv :p |
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| 21:08.04 | znf | Anyway, that's why they ship TVs with coax. You use them with a CI+ module+card and you use your TV's DVB-C decoder |
| 21:08.35 | znf | Most of the companies here broadcast their "basic" package without encryption, so you don't need the CI+ subscribe module unless you have extra packages |
| 21:09.15 | znf | VIad1, try taking the coax cable out of your tvbox, and just plug it in your TV, then scan for digital channels :) |
| 21:09.36 | pompy1 | https://youtu.be/6gyJ449Y_qw |
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| 21:20.37 | Guill | znf: :'( |
| 21:21.05 | znf | Guill, sorry, miss-tabbed. |
| 21:21.29 | znf | Guill, while you're here, what are my chances to have http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20745504573?page=3#51 fixed? :-/ |
| 21:21.42 | nevcairiel | i dont think thats his department |
| 21:22.41 | znf | I know. But maybe he has some info if the next build fixes this for everyone or I still need to repick the artifact and start from 0 :-/ |
| 21:24.40 | pompy1 | http://www.techtaffy.com/hp-enterprise-shuffles-senior-management-cto-martin-fink-retiring/ |
| 21:31.05 | Guill | znf: Yeah, I have no idea on that one. Reading that thread is the first I've heard of the issue. |
| 21:31.17 | Guill | znf: But at least this happened on Beta instead of Live! |
| 21:31.25 | znf | Guill, not comforting! |
| 21:31.33 | Guill | znf: It is for me >.> |
| 21:31.38 | znf | I know someone would have fixed it on Live :) |
| 21:32.08 | znf | On Beta, leveling as Shadow again is not exactly a nice experience. |
| 21:32.27 | Guill | znf: Yeah, I'm sure there's a way to fix it. But if have to choose between restoring some items on beta and fixing a bunch of bugs before we go Live... |
| 21:32.57 | znf | Guill, I am aware :) I was just curios if that script (I'm assuming) will be run any other time, else I have to find something else to do |
| 21:33.06 | znf | Thank you very much |
| 21:33.43 | Guill | znf: Yeah, I really don't know :( I'm sure they'll update the thread with more info once it's available. |
| 21:36.37 | znf | back to addons - has anyone actually done a LDB plugin for the Order Hall? |
| 21:36.53 | znf | I don't feel like reinventing the wheel, and that bar on top annoys me already |
| 21:37.55 | nevcairiel | i'm half expecting sb to recycle broker_garrision since it already does a lot of the things needed |
| 21:37.59 | nevcairiel | but he seems lazy |
| 21:38.16 | znf | He's got a social life now! |
| 21:38.19 | znf | And a girlfriend! |
| 21:38.25 | VIad1 | they killed the coax tv network some years ago now :p |
| 21:38.30 | VIad1 | tv over fiber |
| 21:38.41 | znf | VIad1, it still ends up as coax in your box...? |
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| 21:38.49 | VIad1 | sure |
| 21:38.54 | znf | so, still coax |
| 21:38.56 | VIad1 | but hdmi ports are available |
| 21:39.03 | VIad1 | coax is dead |
| 21:39.05 | znf | your cable box has coax, doesn't it? |
| 21:39.06 | VIad1 | destroy it |
| 21:39.12 | VIad1 | dont think so |
| 21:39.15 | VIad1 | its fiber/hdmi box |
| 21:39.20 | znf | Pics. |
| 21:45.16 | Neffi | My fiber-based box is coax |
| 21:50.14 | znf | yeah, I don't think there are any tv-boxes that take fiber directly. |
| 21:50.46 | znf | fiber is not exactly user-friendly, and the chances of the user breaking it are high. Most providers give you a fiber-to-coax converter |
| 21:56.26 | VIad1 | the coax interface is old and analog |
| 21:56.30 | VIad1 | why do we need it around? |
| 21:57.33 | VIad1 | crap, sleep time :< |
| 21:59.44 | znf | it's not exactly analog |
| 21:59.51 | znf | you do realize that the world still uses DOCSIS, right? |
| 21:59.55 | znf | DOCSIS3 is quite fast, actually |
| 21:59.59 | znf | And that's coax... |
| 22:01.30 | znf | also, we need it because digital signal doesn't travel that much compared to analogue :P |
| 22:02.49 | VIad1 | I am too young to know what DOCSIS is |
| 22:02.57 | VIad1 | I remember coax for tv, scart for my xbox :d |
| 22:03.05 | Unkle | Right? Digital signal degrades pretty quickly. |
| 22:03.26 | VIad1 | but isnt fiber the next step? |
| 22:03.33 | znf | fiber is not cheap |
| 22:03.38 | znf | it's cheap for long-distance |
| 22:03.47 | znf | for short distance... you need to splice it, you need a converter etc. |
| 22:03.49 | VIad1 | but why would we need coax directly in our tvs though? |
| 22:04.07 | VIad1 | in the wall, sure I wont argue that |
| 22:04.10 | nevcairiel | putting fiber everywhere is expensive, so everyone tries to keep using the lines they have, thats copper phone lines for DSL and coax lines for tv |
| 22:04.11 | Unkle | And it takes decades to build out networks that cover large geographical regions. |
| 22:04.12 | znf | because that's tv standard |
| 22:04.27 | nevcairiel | VIad1: because all we do is put a cable from the wall to the TV and get digital TV? :D |
| 22:04.31 | VIad1 | are some countries still broadcasting over that? |
| 22:04.40 | znf | most of them? |
| 22:04.43 | VIad1 | oh ok |
| 22:05.04 | nevcairiel | many places even get internet from that coax cable, which is where DOCSIS comes in |
| 22:05.06 | znf | What you think you have right now is IPTV, which you don't :P |
| 22:05.42 | VIad1 | I dont watch television broadcast - I watch television box that I hook up to my computer though! :p |
| 22:05.43 | znf | DOCSIS3 is actually quite new |
| 22:05.50 | VIad1 | dont know what IPTV is |
| 22:05.58 | znf | DOCSIS3 can do 1600/216 Mbit/sec |
| 22:06.27 | znf | IPTV is basically tv over the internet, or a data-network |
| 22:06.32 | znf | ie: no coax :P |
| 22:06.47 | nevcairiel | (unless your internet is over coax) |
| 22:06.48 | VIad1 | like fiber > box > tv ? |
| 22:07.02 | VIad1 | we had coax > box > tv/internet before we got get.no |
| 22:07.16 | znf | well, it depends |
| 22:07.19 | VIad1 | but get.no provided cheaper internet, faster, and they even installed the fiber cables :o |
| 22:07.21 | nevcairiel | its likely that you have IPTV if you have fiber |
| 22:07.26 | VIad1 | atm still on my free internet from them actually |
| 22:07.43 | znf | with that setup you can do both IPTV and DVB-C, so it depends on your network |
| 22:07.47 | nevcairiel | most fiber networks prefer to stick to one tech sending data over those lines |
| 22:08.07 | znf | You can find IPTV mostly in DSL networks - where you actually get your tv signal over copper. |
| 22:08.14 | nevcairiel | instead of multiplexing IP networking and some other TV signal on a fiber line |
| 22:08.26 | VIad1 | oh sec, its actually a modem first, but the modem has a special cable that goes into their box for the tv |
| 22:08.33 | znf | VIad1: yes |
| 22:08.36 | znf | pretty much |
| 22:08.47 | znf | Different networks do different things. |
| 22:08.51 | nevcairiel | sounds like iptv then |
| 22:09.00 | znf | Though I haven't seen any IPTV network over fiber-coax combo |
| 22:09.14 | VIad1 | also my isp blocks port 80 because their router listens to it for the ADMIN interface |
| 22:09.17 | nevcairiel | iptv works on any internet connection =p |
| 22:09.27 | VIad1 | so its their hotfix, simply block 80 so you can't host on it :p |
| 22:09.33 | VIad1 | like apache/ngix or what ever |
| 22:09.57 | znf | From my info, IPTV boxes are more expensive for the telco. You also lose the ability to provide your client with a CI+ card/slot so they can't ever use their internal decoder in the TV |
| 22:09.57 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt want to host on 80 on my home connection anyway, way too much of an attack surface :p |
| 22:10.14 | VIad1 | let me dmz my pc if I want to, nevcairiel :( |
| 22:10.53 | VIad1 | but still, silly to fix the issue by blocking the port |
| 22:10.56 | nevcairiel | znf: IPTV uses its own encryption formats entirely, CI+ wouldnt really work there in any case, so you always end up with a box |
| 22:10.56 | VIad1 | can't open it either :/ |
| 22:11.06 | znf | nevcairiel: that's what I said :) |
| 22:11.22 | znf | well, that's what I meant, anyway |
| 22:11.28 | znf | Didn't want to confuse VIad1 :P |
| 22:11.30 | nevcairiel | although to be fair, IPTV from my provider isnt even encrypted |
| 22:11.34 | znf | IPTV != DVB-C |
| 22:11.58 | nevcairiel | i could just tune into it with any multicast receiver even on my PC |
| 22:12.06 | nevcairiel | but i canceled it because i never watch tv |
| 22:12.16 | znf | You're on Telekom, right? DSL? |
| 22:12.19 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 22:12.34 | nevcairiel | they control on their end which channels they send you, so they dont need to encrypt |
| 22:13.06 | nevcairiel | although the on-demand stuff probably was encrypted |
| 22:13.07 | znf | Yeah, would be pretty silly to send dvb-c over copper, modulated, and then demodulate at home |
| 22:13.13 | nevcairiel | maybe the high-end packages as well, i never had those |
| 22:13.29 | nevcairiel | its just RTP multicast |
| 22:13.31 | znf | actually I'm wondering if a dsl->coax box exists |
| 22:14.01 | nevcairiel | in my case on a special VLAN |
| 22:14.05 | znf | I mean, something that takes a phone line and then outputs dvb-c. I think that would be pretty stupid. |
| 22:14.12 | nevcairiel | which took some convincing in the router to access :p |
| 22:14.30 | nevcairiel | znf: if you need a box anyway, might as well have it output HDMI :p |
| 22:14.46 | nevcairiel | home cabling isnt designed to splice dvb signals back into the wall |
| 22:14.51 | znf | Oh, would you look at that. |
| 22:14.53 | znf | AT&T has that |
| 22:14.55 | VIad1 | box>hdmi>coax>scart>box>dvi>hdmi>tv |
| 22:15.00 | znf | *america* |
| 22:15.20 | znf | http://d2ydh70d4b5xgv.cloudfront.net/images/2/6/at-t-u-verse-2wire-3801hgv-gateway-wireless-cable-modem-router-67a1e0945a99493d0f9896b5465fa3fb.jpg |
| 22:16.05 | VIad1 | btw the maxcamera poll on mmochamp is at 72/28% yes/no that people use the cvar. nearly 80k votes atm |
| 22:16.07 | Unkle | You don't want to lose a customer because they would need to buy new TVs just to watch Game of Thrones. |
| 22:16.13 | znf | VIad1: another side-node |
| 22:16.30 | znf | VIad1: most homes have more than 1 TV |
| 22:16.37 | VIad1 | < only one |
| 22:16.43 | VIad1 | for pc |
| 22:16.52 | znf | and that's where coax shines |
| 22:16.56 | nevcairiel | VIad1: mmo-champion is not a very good place to poll people |
| 22:17.19 | VIad1 | its old and wanted to upgrade, but I cant buy with coax because I need to be taxed for it even if I dont watch tv so its a bit iffy |
| 22:17.29 | nevcairiel | not that it matters, they full-well knew people wouldnt like such a change and they made it anyway, so why would they decide to change their mind now? =p |
| 22:17.56 | znf | I find the whole "unfair advantage" silly |
| 22:17.57 | VIad1 | sticking to the old tv as it is hdmi only :p |
| 22:18.12 | VIad1 | buying a large screen for pc is ludicrous priced |
| 22:18.33 | znf | Everyone who plays the game competitively knows about macros, cvars, addons etc. |
| 22:18.34 | VIad1 | 100" 3d tv and tons of features? 5k 40" pc screen? 20k |
| 22:18.45 | VIad1 | tvs are like 1k hz or what ever :p |
| 22:18.58 | nevcairiel | they just pretend to be that |
| 22:19.12 | VIad1 | can I sue them for lying? |
| 22:19.12 | znf | On the topic of TVs |
| 22:19.26 | znf | Does anyone hate the whole "dynamic" movement that high-end TVs do? |
| 22:19.28 | nevcairiel | and the screen quality is usually different, if you sit at similar distance that you would from a PC screen, you usually start seeing pixel borders |
| 22:19.41 | znf | like, they make the video content move faster than it is |
| 22:19.50 | znf | and on some TVs you can't disable that feature (looking at you, Samsung) |
| 22:20.03 | nevcairiel | znf: i like it when it works well, but usually it results in artifacts which look terrible, so i turn it off |
| 22:20.15 | Rythal | When do TV's and Montiors not lie? I remember the whole refresh rate fiasco where the slow crappy monitors would show grey to grey time, while the good monitors showed black to white. |
| 22:20.16 | znf | Never seen it work well |
| 22:20.34 | VIad1 | but with vsync on it says max hz as fps |
| 22:20.39 | VIad1 | can it still lie even if it says that? |
| 22:20.47 | VIad1 | like, it says 144 but its actually 120? |
| 22:22.00 | znf | Not knowledgeable about refresh rates |
| 22:22.11 | znf | I don't even see why the hell do TVs need more than 60Hz refresh rates |
| 22:22.27 | VIad1 | what? |
| 22:22.31 | VIad1 | at least 144 |
| 22:22.43 | VIad1 | gotta keep up with the times :p |
| 22:22.52 | Rythal | 200 |
| 22:22.55 | znf | They just do that stupid interpolating crap that feels lime time-dilation |
| 22:22.55 | nevcairiel | 3d tvs usually support higher rates for better 3d display |
| 22:23.01 | VIad1 | yes |
| 22:23.06 | nevcairiel | but 3d is dead |
| 22:23.10 | VIad1 | noo dont say that |
| 22:23.11 | znf | I get the 3D one, sure. Though, thankfully RIP 3D |
| 22:23.20 | nevcairiel | majority of manufacturers dont even do 3d on their tvs anymore |
| 22:23.27 | znf | Now if SmartTVs will die, I'd be happy |
| 22:23.32 | nevcairiel | i think samsung and sony killed it this year? |
| 22:23.33 | Rythal | I want to buy a 3D 4K tv :( but they are getting very very hard to find |
| 22:23.34 | VIad1 | I was going to buy https://www.netonnet.no/art/lyd-og-bilde/tv/63ogstorre/samsung-ue88js9505/216138.11454/?utm_source=Prisguide&utm_medium=Priceengine&utm_term=216138%2B-%20Samsung%20UE88JS9505&utm_campaign=Productfeed |
| 22:23.44 | Rythal | by the time I have the cash saved up for it, they won't exist |
| 22:23.47 | znf | At least Panasonic is doing TVs with AndroidTV |
| 22:23.50 | nebula | why would smart tv's die? they actually make sense |
| 22:23.59 | VIad1 | it's only $27k |
| 22:24.04 | VIad1 | btw I hate smart tvs |
| 22:24.06 | znf | nebula: die is a bit hard, but I do hope they improve |
| 22:24.18 | znf | most "Smart" TVs I tried are dumb as fuck, and slow as shit |
| 22:24.23 | VIad1 | a tv that can bug you about software update should burn in hell |
| 22:24.25 | nevcairiel | i dont use shit of the smart features, I have a PC hooked up to my tv and use that as the exclusive output |
| 22:24.31 | nevcairiel | so i need a good display |
| 22:24.34 | nevcairiel | screw smart features |
| 22:24.37 | Rythal | I want a dumb tv, I use an android box with kodi for everything I need. |
| 22:24.51 | VIad1 | I've seen smart tv crash because software |
| 22:24.53 | znf | like I said, at least Panasonic is shipping with AndroidTV instead of a custom OS |
| 22:24.54 | Torhal | I'm quite happy with the Plex app on my Samsung... |
| 22:24.56 | VIad1 | miss the old embeded software |
| 22:25.00 | znf | Torhal: I hated that |
| 22:25.12 | Torhal | Uh, ok/ |
| 22:25.12 | znf | Friend bought one of those curved display samsung tvs, cost like ~1500⬠|
| 22:25.30 | znf | installed plex, it randomly decided when a movie played 3D and when it did not |
| 22:25.43 | nebula | there is a setting for that |
| 22:25.46 | znf | Also it felt SO slow |
| 22:25.53 | Torhal | What does that have to do with the Plex app on my Samsung TV? |
| 22:26.05 | znf | Torhal: his plex app on his samsung was crap! |
| 22:26.06 | nebula | the world must burn, Torhal |
| 22:26.11 | Torhal | I don't have 3D, nor do I want it. |
| 22:26.19 | Torhal | nebula: Isn't that par for znf's course, though? |
| 22:26.25 | znf | Anyway, the app was very slow, for some reasons. |
| 22:26.35 | znf | He ended up going back to Kodi from his PC |
| 22:27.10 | znf | But the 3D thingie... I had the same movie. I played it first, it went 3D. I stopped it, played it again (forgot to put sub first time), it wasn't 3D anymore |
| 22:27.12 | Torhal | The only problem I have with it is that my TV takes roughly a minute to connect to the Internet, so I can't just turn it on and go to Plex - I see "Please try again later" |
| 22:27.13 | Torhal | So I have to wait for that. |
| 22:27.27 | znf | I stopped it. Played it again, it went 3D |
| 22:27.29 | Rythal | I've spent too many years perfecting my kodi setup to move to plex |
| 22:27.32 | nevcairiel | is it wifi Torhal? |
| 22:27.46 | znf | No change from 2nd to 3rd play, it just randomly decided when it wanted to play 3D |
| 22:28.04 | znf | Also, for a 1500⬠TV to _NOT_ feature a 3D on/off button on it's remote... wtf samsung? |
| 22:28.12 | Torhal | nevcairiel: It is now, since I rearranged my livingroom. It wasn't as of last week, though, and it had the same issue since I got it the October before last. |
| 22:28.19 | znf | If it didn't pick up 3D automatically, I had to go in about 3 menus to force it on |
| 22:28.21 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 22:28.47 | nebula | i have an old samsung, but it supports playing media over smb, so it pretty much removed any need for actually setting up a htpc, only thing it couldn't play was 10bit x264 (and now x265) |
| 22:29.03 | nevcairiel | my sony has the 3d option like one menu deep, not that i really like 3D so i barely used it |
| 22:29.12 | Torhal | I need to get a new ethernet cable, though, because the fucker randomly decides it can't connect to the WiFi so I power it off and back on, and it works. |
| 22:30.08 | Rythal | wouldn't the cats just chew an ethernet cable |
| 22:30.14 | Rythal | Mine does :/ |
| 22:30.22 | znf | nevcairiel: yeah, he never used the 3D option after that anyway, it's just that initial setup :P |
| 22:30.27 | znf | like, "let's see how cool 3D is" |
| 22:30.49 | nevcairiel | for me 3D is "ok", but not worth the hassle with the glasses and all |
| 22:31.08 | znf | glasses annoy me, too, especially since I have to wear prescription |
| 22:31.11 | nevcairiel | glasses free never took of, so |
| 22:31.12 | znf | double glasses on my face, the joy |
| 22:31.17 | nebula | never understood why that took off like it did with manufacturers |
| 22:31.52 | znf | I also hate going to 3D movies at the cinema, they kind of stopped doing 2D projections :-( |
| 22:32.11 | Rythal | I never wanted 3D, until I got VR.. then I started watching 3D stuff in there which made me want the 3D tv. |
| 22:32.20 | Torhal | Rythal: Not if I cover it along the baseboard... :) |
| 22:32.42 | nebula | vr is pretty different, imo, it's actually immersive, whereas 3d tv is pretty lackluster |
| 22:32.54 | znf | call me when they make a holodeck |
| 22:32.58 | znf | is resistant to VR, too |
| 22:33.26 | nevcairiel | i like the idea of VR, but current headsets still suck |
| 22:33.30 | nebula | i think it's fundamentally different than 3d tv/movies, though, had when friends compare them |
| 22:33.37 | nebula | had/hate/ |
| 22:33.38 | Unkle | 3D movies using the polarization trick give me a headache. |
| 22:33.42 | nevcairiel | i got a oculus CV1, and i still see a strong screen door effect |
| 22:33.56 | znf | Unkle: what's the other option? |
| 22:34.02 | nebula | imax! |
| 22:34.05 | Rythal | The current headsets are still too blurry, hurts my eyes no matter how much I play with the focus, but I still enjoy it |
| 22:34.12 | znf | Doesn't imax do polarization, too...? |
| 22:34.13 | Primer | Some people can't see any 3D effect due to one eye being overly dominant |
| 22:34.16 | Unkle | znf: Not much at the moment. |
| 22:34.16 | Primer | that is the case with me |
| 22:34.21 | Primer | I've never seen any 3D effect |
| 22:34.30 | nevcairiel | do you see the world in 3D? |
| 22:34.55 | nevcairiel | (ie. do you have proper depth perception?) |
| 22:35.07 | Unkle | I see the effects, but I get an eyestrain headache pretty fast watching 3D films. Current VR tech looks like it would make me feel pretty much the same. |
| 22:35.07 | Primer | yes |
| 22:35.25 | Primer | I see it quite well too |
| 22:35.39 | Unkle | (is playing hooky from reading Vertica manuals) |
| 22:35.44 | Rythal | My father and neice are like that, and no they doesn't see the world in 3D.. one eye shuts down completly, unless the dominant eye is covered in which case the second eye kicks in and starts projecting images |
| 22:36.22 | znf | So no depth perception? |
| 22:36.39 | Rythal | nope |
| 22:36.39 | znf | That kind of sucks :-/ |
| 22:36.39 | Primer | If I close my right eye and look at my computer, I can't read anything no matter how close or far I move from the screens |
| 22:36.50 | znf | Primer: maybe you need prescription glasses? :> |
| 22:36.58 | Primer | I have some, but I don't need them |
| 22:37.05 | Primer | I can read just fine with my right eye |
| 22:37.31 | znf | won't you strain that too hard? |
| 22:37.44 | Primer | It's never been a problem |
| 22:37.48 | nevcairiel | well if the glasses could somehow correct your left eye, maybe the dominance would go down a bit and things improve |
| 22:37.53 | Primer | I often stare at screens all day every day |
| 22:38.24 | Primer | As far as depth perception goes, I drive 60 miles a day just fine, and I'm an "assertive" driver |
| 22:38.34 | Primer | My wife would say I'm aggressive |
| 22:38.42 | Primer | But I prefer assertive |
| 22:39.09 | zenzelezz | non-passive |
| 22:39.13 | znf | checks to see if he has a magical artifact in his mailbox |
| 22:39.33 | Primer | When I play soccer, I can usually put the ball right at my teammate's foot when making long crosses :) |
| 22:39.39 | Unkle | If someone is a passive driver, I hope that means "passenger in a self-driving car." |
| 22:40.22 | Primer | I play on small fields 7v7, so we don't aim for headers |
| 22:40.31 | nevcairiel | i would love to be a passenger in a self-driving car |
| 22:40.42 | nevcairiel | wonder how many years until they figure out the laws for that around here |
| 22:41.07 | nevcairiel | and how many after that until i can rent them for a weekend trip :D |
| 22:41.10 | Unkle | I live in Mountain View, and I see the Google cars all the time. |
| 22:42.05 | Unkle | They are a little unnerving. |
| 22:42.21 | nevcairiel | they are better drivers then most of everyone else |
| 22:42.25 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 22:42.51 | Torhal | looks into self-driving chairs for BlizzCon. |
| 22:42.52 | Torhal | >.> |
| 22:44.09 | Unkle | Maybe. They lack the ability to manage the social conventions that prevail. For example, if they are turning into a driveway significantly down the block, they tend to slow to 15MPH long, long, long before they need to. |
| 22:44.48 | Unkle | It's annoying to find yourself behind one. |
| 22:45.05 | Unkle | And as yet, I've never seen one on the freeway. |
| 22:45.41 | Rythal | I could go for a self-driving chair to find me seating spots at the presentations I want to be at... and with my name on it so the chair can stand in line for me while i'm out by the fountain |
| 22:46.15 | znf | I guess it's fitting for a Shadow Priest: http://i.imgur.com/sK1OJ0E.png |
| 22:46.21 | Unkle | Torhal: I'll likely be in a chair for BlizzCon this year too. |
| 22:46.44 | Torhal | Unkle: I figured, which is why I wanted to look into a self-driving chair. >.> |
| 22:47.13 | Unkle | I want full manual controls. I want the full Road Warrior package. |
| 22:47.19 | Torhal | Whoah |
| 22:48.21 | Unkle | The crowds last year made driving my chair around ... challenging. So if I can have the guy playing guitar and shooting flames, I'll take it. |
| 22:52.32 | znf | is there a reason you want/need a chair? |
| 22:52.35 | znf | excuse my ignorance |
| 22:53.14 | Unkle | I have a medical condition which makes walking/standing extremely painful. |
| 22:53.41 | Unkle | Most of the time, I get around using a cane and patience. And a lot of drugs. |
| 22:53.58 | Unkle | But for an event like BlizzCon, without a wheelchair I could not attend. |
| 22:54.38 | Unkle | Waiting in line to play any game involves about 20-30 minutes of standing on a hard concrete floor. Which would wreck me if I tried it even once. |
| 22:54.48 | Torhal | You need a palanquin. |
| 22:55.28 | Unkle | And a retinue of servants to feed me peeled grapes and press WASD for me. |
| 22:55.48 | Torhal | WASD > peeled grapes |
| 22:56.32 | Cairenn | lol |
| 22:57.09 | Unkle | Have you ever *had* a peeled grape? |
| 22:57.41 | Torhal | Peeled grapes don't give you new gear or kills. |
| 22:57.42 | Torhal | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 22:57.58 | Unkle | ... you make a fair point. |
| 22:58.11 | Torhal | We actually weren't talking about a choice between the two, though, so moot point. |
| 22:58.49 | znf | mkay :) |
| 23:02.01 | Rythal | You could be fed the peeled grape, then spit one out to hit the wasd while chastising the attendant for missing a seed? |
| 23:04.14 | Unkle | hawt |
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| 23:15.21 | znf | aaand... I just "discovered" that our main router has a web-interface |
| 23:15.27 | znf | does a happy dance, as a non-networking person |
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| 23:24.16 | newbie | sounds insecure? :d |
| 23:26.18 | Primer | Does anyone know if blizz granted my beta keys to developers? |
| 23:26.40 | Primer | I went to wowace and added my email address, but this was after the original announcement of key availability |
| 23:28.19 | nebula | someone (Kaelten maybe?) said they were sending new emails weekly, i had a friend get it a few weeks after the announcement but dunno if it was curse or luck |
| 23:28.56 | Primer | So PTR access is not beta, right? |
| 23:29.02 | nebula | correct |
| 23:29.29 | Guill | Though just about any AddOn should be testable/developable on the PTR |
| 23:29.32 | Primer | I presume then if the beta thing went through, I'd see a beta option in the battle net client? |
| 23:30.07 | Primer | Download/play option, that is |
| 23:30.15 | nebula | Primer: yea, Beta: Legion would be there under in development |
| 23:30.28 | nebula | it's in the account drop down above play |
| 23:31.03 | Primer | But you're also saying that PTR is the same TOC version, so testing addons would work there? That's all I want to do, really |
| 23:31.10 | Primer | I like playing an expansion when it comes out |
| 23:31.33 | nebula | ptr is 7.0 without broken isles stuff :p |
| 23:31.48 | Primer | lovely, thanks |
| 23:33.22 | Primer | err, I just noticed I wrote "my beta keys" when it should have been "any beta keys" |
| 23:33.25 | Primer | heh |
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| 23:43.51 | znf | newbie, well, we do have ACLs permitting access from just 3 IPs in our DC |
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| 23:44.39 | znf | Primer, though you won't have data to test actual new features - ie: artifacts |
| 23:44.41 | newbie | :o =) |
| 23:44.49 | znf | erm |
| 23:44.51 | znf | newbie / nebula |
| 23:45.45 | newbie | :p |
| 23:45.50 | Primer | znf: My addons don't deal with things like that |
| 23:46.01 | znf | well, maybe you want to make a new one =) |
| 23:46.11 | Primer | but I would like to get beta access now...only to show off to my friend who doesn't have access |
| 23:46.27 | Primer | I made a new one, but I never actually published it |
| 23:46.32 | Primer | it's stupid though |
| 23:46.37 | znf | anyway, I remember there being a way to push addon .zip's from wowace to wowUI |
| 23:46.41 | znf | does anyone have the link? |
| 23:46.52 | znf | there used to be some sort of how-to |
| 23:47.03 | znf | Primer, sometimes people need stupid/silly things |
| 23:47.21 | Primer | Well, I really thought my main addon would be pretty popular |
| 23:47.23 | Primer | but alas... |
| 23:47.49 | Primer | It seems it's included in a few addon packs |
| 23:47.50 | znf | when I made Breeze back in WoD, I never thought anyone else was annoyed by that silly mission complete animation |
| 23:48.06 | znf | then sudddenly chaud decided to publish it on mmo-c and it just exploded O.o |
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| 23:49.18 | Rythal | It's annoying to try and close my eyes, and kill all sound, and mash escape so I don't spoil anything about Legion before it's live while working on code |
| 23:49.38 | Primer | Just to be clear, lists of addon developer emails are still being sent to Blizz for beta access? |
| 23:49.41 | znf | I actually took time to just level slowly in the beta |
| 23:49.53 | znf | because I knew that I wanted to rush trough things on live :P |
| 23:50.04 | znf | so I actually read most quest text, and just enjoyed the scenery |
| 23:50.13 | Primer | I've never actually played any betas. All I've ever done is ensure my addons were compatible |
| 23:50.26 | Primer | and I don't need to level for that |
| 23:50.42 | znf | new expansions are always ground for making a new addon :) |
| 23:50.43 | Primer | I expect my PB4 addon will "just work" |
| 23:51.03 | znf | because there's new functionality |
| 23:51.03 | Primer | But my FlightHUD addon has always required changes |
| 23:51.21 | Primer | Well, if they introduce Z-axis information, I'll definitely add that to my addon |
| 23:51.43 | Primer | But WoD kinda killed flying...and I expect Legion to do the same...BUT NO SPOILERS |
| 23:52.23 | Rythal | FlightHUD... I actually considered making Lyft for WoW after the april fools joke this year, since it actually could work... page for a 2 seater mount to fly you direct without needing flightmasters for x amount of gold |
| 23:52.34 | Primer | haha |
| 23:52.38 | Primer | that would have been cool |
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