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| 00:17.41 | karl_w_w | yoda = sith confirmed |
| 00:25.05 | Simca | https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/VEV4OLqJ_xyxBd5fNzw-74Ap97MrDdFsGYdytaCDMtI |
| 00:25.07 | Simca | classic |
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| 02:03.54 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.50 | Neffi | Semlar: that looks like it could work wel |
| 02:21.48 | znf | Semlar, nomplates. |
| 02:21.50 | znf | lazy plates |
| 02:21.52 | znf | something! now! |
| 02:21.54 | Semlar | no |
| 02:22.46 | znf | yes |
| 02:23.56 | Semlar | i'm not sure if i can make a fuse if i use something like this |
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| 02:30.05 | Semlar | it might look weird if i make it too long |
| 02:32.27 | znf | what are you using? |
| 02:35.27 | Semlar | wire |
| 02:36.36 | znf | Sure it works. What's the wattage you need it to work at? |
| 02:36.43 | znf | And what kind of wire are you using? |
| 02:37.16 | Semlar | craft wire |
| 02:37.47 | znf | awg? material? |
| 02:38.35 | Semlar | whatever i think is going to look good, it's not like i have the supplies yet |
| 02:39.02 | znf | do you mean an electrical fuse...?! |
| 02:39.31 | Semlar | it's an art project |
| 02:39.58 | znf | Oh |
| 02:40.01 | znf | I thought you meant http://media.digikey.com/photos/Bel%20Photos/5MT%20SERIES.jpg |
| 02:40.02 | znf | :-S |
| 02:41.54 | Semlar | no |
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| 03:02.35 | tz | shame |
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| 03:47.31 | kd3 | Ooh, the bbc called it. brexit is happening |
| 03:52.12 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.26 | mckenziemc | hides. |
| 04:04.54 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 04:07.17 | mckenziemc | hugs Fisker and exits hastily. |
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| 04:25.17 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 04:42.08 | mckenziemc | hugs Cairenn :( |
| 04:42.21 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
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| 08:22.45 | VIad | nebula: those anal beads look way too small |
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| 08:43.42 | VIad | [TOM_RUS]: I wish they supported png for the sake of size and that its easier to work with png than to convert everything from png to blp |
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| 08:45.46 | VIad | I don't reallyk now, but is blp better at, than png? |
| 09:00.32 | nevcairiel | blp supports a veriety of gpu-friendly compressions |
| 09:00.39 | nevcairiel | variety* |
| 09:01.41 | VIad | so its more performance friendly? |
| 09:02.10 | Kalroth | it's GPU texture friendly |
| 09:02.28 | Kalroth | it implements DXTC |
| 09:02.41 | Kalroth | PNG is for displaying lossless boobies in your browser |
| 09:02.58 | Kalroth | BLP is for storing textures that a GPU can quickly access |
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| 09:04.00 | VIad | what if I want to display lossless boobies in the game? |
| 09:04.22 | Kalroth | BLP it is |
| 09:04.31 | VIad | sweet |
| 09:04.41 | VIad | when I worked with textures for the game I had a png>blp program |
| 09:04.48 | VIad | I found it easiest to work with the transparency later on pngs |
| 09:04.54 | VIad | layer* |
| 09:05.57 | Miiru | did somebody say lossless boobies? |
| 09:06.12 | VIad | you heard the calling |
| 09:07.35 | Semlar | guill what did you do to the camera |
| 09:07.53 | VIad | did he break wow? |
| 09:08.02 | VIad | I guess no legion for anyone in august |
| 09:08.06 | Semlar | why would you use blps or pngs when you can work with tgas directly in photoshop |
| 09:09.01 | VIad | my conversion tool from tga>blp didnt handle the transparency layers well back in those days |
| 09:10.06 | Semlar | the game reads targas |
| 09:10.13 | VIad | but they are so large |
| 09:10.18 | VIad | filesizes |
| 09:10.19 | Semlar | uh tgas are smaller than blp files |
| 09:10.24 | VIad | wat? |
| 09:10.31 | Semlar | blp uses block compression |
| 09:10.40 | Semlar | tga uses RLE |
| 09:11.23 | Semlar | so if you have a tga that's mostly one color or something it'll be tiny compared to the same blp file |
| 09:16.43 | VIad | I just remember the tga were huge compared to the blp of a 512x512 image |
| 09:16.45 | Gnarfoz | also BLP supports multiple LoDs? |
| 09:16.55 | Gnarfoz | (or mip-maps) |
| 09:17.00 | Semlar | you didn't compress them vlad |
| 09:17.21 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: it does support mipmaps yes |
| 09:17.34 | Gnarfoz | so I don't really see them abandoning BLP |
| 09:17.45 | Gnarfoz | but I'm not sure why they chose to reserve png support for themselves... |
| 09:17.57 | Gnarfoz | (or choose, both work) |
| 09:18.21 | VIad | I miss the old days when screenshots were saved in tga :p |
| 09:18.25 | VIad | and were 30 mb a pop |
| 09:18.38 | nevcairiel | you can still make it do that |
| 09:18.40 | Miiru | they still do |
| 09:18.40 | VIad | yes |
| 09:18.45 | VIad | not by default luckily |
| 09:19.04 | Miiru | the jpeg quality is really bad |
| 09:19.09 | Miiru | even at 10 |
| 09:19.20 | VIad | yeah |
| 09:20.07 | VIad | do they still embed their qr like code in lower quality jpegs? |
| 09:21.41 | VIad | make a screenshot using screenshotQuality = 9 and jpg (preferably stare at a white surface |
| 09:21.57 | VIad | then its easiest to sharpen or edit the image to make the watermark appear |
| 09:23.49 | VIad | anyone else remember or just me? :p |
| 09:24.52 | Gnarfoz | it's still there to my knowledge |
| 09:25.03 | Gnarfoz | in any jpeg quality < 10 or tga |
| 09:25.18 | VIad | I read it was only jpg affected on <10 settings |
| 09:25.18 | Gnarfoz | at least I don't recall it being removed, but it's not hard to check |
| 09:25.29 | VIad | I think it uses the account names, not e-mail too |
| 09:25.30 | Gnarfoz | yes, like we both just said :o |
| 09:25.33 | VIad | like the WoW#5 and such |
| 09:25.37 | Gnarfoz | it's uknown what information it encodes |
| 09:25.40 | Gnarfoz | +n |
| 09:25.43 | VIad | its known |
| 09:25.51 | VIad | account, realm name and ip |
| 09:25.55 | Gnarfoz | where? it's just blocks of 1/0 |
| 09:25.56 | VIad | ip of server |
| 09:26.01 | VIad | :p |
| 09:28.22 | Gnarfoz | so no source? |
| 09:28.55 | Gnarfoz | or is it just ascii codepoints or something else obvious? |
| 09:29.45 | VIad | there is a specific way to read the pattern. I think it in the end is just ascii |
| 09:30.13 | VIad | source - google, I can't link that site in the chat :p |
| 09:30.41 | VIad | Cairenn will flay me |
| 09:32.58 | nevcairiel | we should do that more often anyway |
| 09:33.14 | Kalroth | :D |
| 09:35.20 | Gnarfoz | VIad: I see, schlumpf has some pseudocode that details it pretty well |
| 09:35.45 | Gnarfoz | in any case, just set quality to 10 or tga and it's not going to be there |
| 09:36.57 | VIad | if you don't like me I recommend expressing that via www.dicksbymail.com |
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| 09:44.19 | VIad | at least I can enjoy some dicks on my way out |
| 09:56.22 | nevcairiel | rather glitterbomb you |
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| 10:34.43 | VIad | I can consume that too |
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| 10:43.13 | karl_w_w | that's really cool, google maps' route planner shows elevation change for bicycles |
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| 12:37.10 | karl_w_w | https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/4pks0a/uk_citizens_vote_to_leave_the_european_union/d4lwnxn |
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| 13:54.20 | pompy1 | launch in 35 minutes https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/746167764033765376 |
| 13:55.00 | Stanzilla | nope, lunch was 20minutes ago |
| 13:55.15 | nevcairiel | AtlasV launch? how oldschool |
| 13:57.39 | nevcairiel | old rockets with russian engines :p |
| 14:04.54 | Ressy | Stanzilla with the trolling. |
| 14:05.18 | Stanzilla | ; ) |
| 14:05.34 | Stanzilla | I actually lied, all I had was 2 toasts in the morning |
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| 14:27.29 | VIad | 10:30 am EDT |
| 14:27.47 | VIad | we need better days to define time on the internet |
| 14:27.56 | VIad | that allows automatic conversion to local time :p |
| 14:28.11 | VIad | stuff like streams would benefit from it |
| 14:29.43 | mckenziemc | UTC |
| 14:30.42 | mckenziemc | or, you could redefine time of day as what earth coordinates are closest to the sun, which i recently wrote a lua script for :P |
| 14:31.21 | karl_w_w | VIad, that invoker set is awesome? |
| 14:31.36 | karl_w_w | http://cdn.dota2.com/apps/dota2/videos/international2016/battle_pass/hero_videos/invoker_darkartistry.webm |
| 14:33.24 | VIad | looks cool |
| 14:34.19 | VIad | mckenziemc: html5 has time tags where you can specify the UTC or what ever in the attribute of the tag, the browser could then technically parse these and make a nice conversion on your end :d |
| 14:34.34 | VIad | but browsers arent there yet, even if the html exists for it |
| 14:38.25 | karl_w_w | ooh, almost forgot to do my steam discovery queue |
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| 14:47.32 | Guest87603 | Hey, can I get a bit of help here? Wish to know, when can I use UnitAura? I mean, what conditions have to be met to get reliable values returned. Link to more detailed info, tutorial etc. would be very appreciated, well, cannot find any. |
| 14:48.30 | nevcairiel | it generally works at any time after login finished |
| 14:48.31 | nebula | Guest87603: you can do use whenever you want, really, if you have auras, you can get their info with unit aura |
| 14:50.19 | Guest87603 | Actually, it keeps returning -1 for units in certain cases, like when they are offline, or on other instance. For some reason. |
| 14:52.53 | VIad | ehm |
| 14:52.59 | VIad | my experience is always nil |
| 14:53.11 | Guest87603 | ex. "local t = -1; t = max(t, select(7, UnitBuff(unitID, GetSpellInfo(175457))) or -1); -- 50 int rune" returns -1 for players in other instance, for example. Would like to know why |
| 14:54.20 | Guest87603 | Well, I can't find any info when UnitAura function is reliable, I mean, what conditions have to be met to get a valid returned value. |
| 14:54.57 | VIad | first |
| 14:55.01 | VIad | what are you trying to achieve? |
| 14:55.22 | Guest87603 | I want to check, in raid, which players have no bis rune. |
| 14:55.28 | VIad | ok |
| 14:55.38 | VIad | so you start it with a button or what? |
| 14:55.51 | VIad | in that case UnitBuff("raid#","Buff Name") should suffice |
| 14:56.00 | VIad | returns nil if no one has it |
| 14:56.11 | nevcairiel | offline players often dont report aura info, thats just how it is, and players in different instances are hit or miss, but if all you want to do is check raid info you can discount anyone not near you anyway and yell at them for other reasons :p |
| 14:56.27 | VIad | if not UnitBuff("raid#","Buff Name") then print("no buff") end |
| 14:56.43 | VIad | add what ever additional logic checks you want to filter out disconnected, phased, and so on. |
| 14:57.20 | nevcairiel | besides, isnt there only one type of rune either way |
| 14:57.48 | karl_w_w | generally UnitAura doesn't work if they are not in draw distance |
| 14:58.01 | nebula | i wouldn't say that's true |
| 14:58.11 | nebula | you can see auras from people in other zones |
| 14:58.20 | VIad | I think its one buff, nevcairiel |
| 14:58.22 | karl_w_w | hmm |
| 14:58.28 | VIad | dynamically changes based on class |
| 14:58.48 | karl_w_w | I have noticed that they don't seem to update as fast when they are far away though |
| 14:59.04 | Guest87603 | I got the addon wrapped up good, just have issue with UnitAura not working in certain cases. |
| 14:59.05 | nebula | VIad: no, 4 spell ids |
| 14:59.10 | karl_w_w | maybe that's some events' fault |
| 14:59.30 | VIad | nebula: but if the name is the same and effect the same, can just check by name |
| 14:59.41 | nebula | they're not the same |
| 14:59.54 | VIad | then can check spell ID |
| 15:00.01 | nebula | Hyper/Stout/Focus Augmetation and Empower |
| 15:00.36 | Guest87603 | On ready check in HFC, UnitAura returned nil for raid members in Tanaan Jungle, Garrison etc. |
| 15:00.51 | VIad | were they cross realm people? |
| 15:00.57 | nevcairiel | well you should yell at them for not being in the instance instead =p |
| 15:01.03 | VIad | maybe it behaves odd if phased/realm |
| 15:01.11 | Guest87603 | Nah, people from my realm, my guild. |
| 15:01.23 | VIad | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 15:01.40 | Guest87603 | However, it works properly on people that are on same instance and close to me. |
| 15:02.49 | VIad | cant remember correctly if there is API to tell you if a unit is in the world |
| 15:02.52 | VIad | like, loaded in the world |
| 15:03.16 | VIad | like if you run far enough people fade away, so you wouldnt want to scan those in this case |
| 15:03.29 | nebula | if you don't want to count all nil results as missing, just filter the player list by UnitIsVisible or such |
| 15:03.41 | VIad | think it was UnitIsVisible |
| 15:04.05 | Guest87603 | ah, I think UnitIsVisible can resolve my problem |
| 15:04.10 | Guest87603 | thank you very much |
| 15:04.11 | VIad | jupp |
| 15:04.45 | Guest87603 | Thanks again everybody, have a nice day |
| 15:04.50 | VIad | dont leave |
| 15:04.51 | VIad | :( |
| 15:04.59 | Guest87603 | oh ok |
| 15:05.00 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.04 | VIad | :d |
| 15:05.52 | VIad | omw home from work :d cya in some hours |
| 15:11.55 | nebula | on a side note, UnitAura returns changed in legion, shouldConsolidate changed to nameplateShowPersonal, and they added nameplateShowAll to the end before the dynamic returns |
| 15:13.45 | nebula | oh and another after that "timeMod" local timeLeft = expirationTime - GetTime() if timeMod > 0 then timeLeft = timeLeft / timeMod end |
| 15:14.33 | Stanzilla | good morning, kyle |
| 15:14.42 | nebula | hello, sir |
| 15:14.55 | Stanzilla | did you buy medivh yet? |
| 15:15.15 | nebula | nah, haven't had much time to play as of late |
| 15:15.55 | Stanzilla | I have to decide between medivh and a new master skin next week, not sure yet. but every hero is free this weekend so I could test him |
| 15:17.22 | nebula | he's pretty gimmicky, but is fun, actually does a fair amount of damage with good flank positioning ontop of being a moving ward |
| 15:17.47 | Stanzilla | the one shotting creeps talent sounded pretty cool |
| 15:21.48 | nebula | thats the lv20 one, yea? i think i usually upgraded poly if i took that, or that with the statis ult |
| 15:22.00 | Stanzilla | yes, 20 |
| 15:22.03 | Stanzilla | all the 20s are pretty cool |
| 15:22.28 | nebula | yea |
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| 17:19.15 | VIad | Kee: did you get your addon to work? |
| 17:29.29 | Guill | Semlar: What broke with the camera? |
| 17:30.45 | nevcairiel | Guill: cameraDistanceMax vanished |
| 17:32.19 | VIad | wtf |
| 17:32.23 | VIad | ah you are right |
| 17:32.27 | VIad | camera capped at default now :/ |
| 17:32.39 | kd3 | does cameraDistanceMaxFactor still work? |
| 17:32.43 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 17:32.52 | nevcairiel | but it still results in a lower distance cap then before |
| 17:33.17 | nevcairiel | ..Factor is what the UI option changes |
| 17:33.31 | VIad | wtb max camera distance like before - so usefull |
| 17:33.40 | VIad | feeling paranoid atm |
| 17:33.44 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 17:33.46 | Stanzilla | yeah I don |
| 17:33.50 | Stanzilla | 't get why It was removed |
| 17:34.08 | VIad | next step is force actioncam = full |
| 17:34.14 | VIad | and closer camera distance :p |
| 17:34.21 | nevcairiel | the max distance set in the UI is mostly fine for normal play, but for some exploration having a wider view was nice |
| 17:34.30 | VIad | like in raids, nevcairiel |
| 17:34.37 | VIad | so you dont turn camera 180 all the time |
| 17:36.50 | VIad | I am certain it was a mistake |
| 17:36.56 | VIad | probably were pruning unused cvars |
| 17:38.19 | VIad | Semlar: can you make the player nameplate clickthrough without breaking the game? |
| 17:40.53 | Neffi | Semlar, not break the game? haha |
| 17:41.29 | VIad | I mean. its a nameplate that acts like unitframe under the character |
| 17:41.42 | VIad | but I often find it in the way, I never need to click myself anyway :p I got F1 for that |
| 17:41.59 | VIad | I just know nameplates are weird frames |
| 17:42.20 | VIad | one moment I try make the player one clickthrough, the next I broke the entire UI |
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| 17:43.02 | Neffi | can you disable the nameplate? |
| 17:43.09 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 17:43.11 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 17:43.13 | Neffi | good |
| 17:43.18 | Neffi | because that sounds awful |
| 17:43.35 | Neffi | anyway, does disabling mouse registration not work? |
| 17:44.01 | VIad | I like it in combat but just to see |
| 17:44.07 | VIad | shows your energy regen nicely |
| 17:44.20 | Neffi | that's what unit frames are for |
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| 17:44.37 | nevcairiel | i kinda like it as well, despite my player UF being in the same general area |
| 17:44.47 | VIad | I like how it moves too |
| 17:44.50 | VIad | with camera distance |
| 17:45.09 | Neffi | I always keep the UFs situated like HUD. I only use nameplates to get a sense of which nearby enemies are close to dying |
| 17:46.01 | Neffi | did nameplates ever get unit resolution? (haven't played since Mists) |
| 17:46.16 | nevcairiel | unit what? |
| 17:46.35 | Neffi | can you map a nameplate to a unitid via the api now? |
| 17:46.39 | Neffi | or vice versa |
| 17:46.39 | VIad | yes |
| 17:46.40 | nevcairiel | in legion, yes |
| 17:46.43 | VIad | nameplate# |
| 17:46.43 | Neffi | cool |
| 17:46.45 | VIad | is the new unit |
| 17:46.50 | Neffi | oh, I see |
| 17:47.07 | Neffi | and presumably this respects UnitIsUnit() |
| 17:47.07 | VIad | you can imagine Semlar had a field day with it |
| 17:47.14 | Neffi | haha, yeah |
| 17:47.23 | VIad | you can show auras on the nameplates without having 2mb of library code |
| 17:47.24 | Stanzilla | it's capped at 40 though |
| 17:47.25 | nevcairiel | it definitely makes nameplate addons easier and smarter |
| 17:47.30 | VIad | that guestimates units |
| 17:47.32 | nevcairiel | 30 i thought |
| 17:47.36 | Neffi | can you treat them outright like units? like in macros and all Unit API calls? |
| 17:47.42 | VIad | yes |
| 17:47.42 | nevcairiel | you can Neffi |
| 17:47.45 | Neffi | wow |
| 17:47.46 | VIad | but unitids shift around |
| 17:47.51 | Neffi | I imagine |
| 17:47.57 | Neffi | nameplates are jumpy |
| 17:49.23 | Stanzilla | I thought I read they bumped it to 40 |
| 17:49.29 | Stanzilla | might be imagining things though |
| 17:51.50 | VIad | does it mean units can be without a nameplate? :p |
| 17:52.09 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 17:52.13 | VIad | imagine a lot of hunters with pets |
| 17:52.17 | VIad | those nameplates going to run out quickly |
| 17:52.24 | VIad | 10 hunter raid pvp :d |
| 17:52.30 | VIad | or 20 |
| 17:52.42 | VIad | is it 40 in total? enemy+friend? |
| 17:52.46 | Stanzilla | it has a priority system |
| 17:52.48 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 17:53.02 | Neffi | Semlar: I returned my motherboard :( |
| 17:53.09 | Stanzilla | so in big battlegrounds you will lose pet/guardian nameplates first etc |
| 17:53.16 | VIad | aha |
| 17:53.26 | nevcairiel | which could be annoying if you try to hit the totems or some hit |
| 17:53.30 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 17:53.44 | nevcairiel | one doesnt typically kill hunter pets, but totems .. maybe |
| 17:53.54 | Stanzilla | but they are hitting some limit which is why 40/30 whatever it is, is already close |
| 17:54.31 | nevcairiel | they told us, unit ids need to fit into 8-bit |
| 17:54.43 | TheDanW | it's 40 currently, for all nameplates combined |
| 17:55.22 | VIad | alterac valley going to be noticable maybe |
| 17:55.30 | VIad | not that 40 nameplates on screen is easy to read |
| 17:55.38 | Stanzilla | ah right, that was it |
| 17:55.38 | VIad | even if you want to find that totem :p |
| 17:55.45 | nevcairiel | with 40 actively on screen its kinda unnavigatable anyway |
| 17:55.49 | TheDanW | it's currently not possible to make default nameplates click-through through SetMouseClickEnabled(false), they have a special targeting system |
| 17:56.13 | VIad | yes TheDanW :( |
| 17:56.15 | VIad | that was my fear |
| 17:56.36 | VIad | copypaste nameplate.lua > namestuff > disable default player nameplate > win |
| 17:57.28 | VIad | you often notice the issue if questing and want to loot stuff after combat |
| 17:57.36 | VIad | I stand on the corpses, my nameplate blocks my clicks :p |
| 17:57.42 | TheDanW | you may be able to set the personal nameplate size to 0 and adjust the anchors to not use the nameplate frame |
| 17:58.19 | VIad | hmm |
| 17:58.32 | VIad | will try |
| 17:59.33 | VIad | player nameplate swaps the unit id around too |
| 17:59.35 | VIad | oh boy |
| 17:59.38 | Stanzilla | TheDanW: do you know why the cameraDistanceMax cvar is gone btw? |
| 18:00.42 | TheDanW | don't know |
| 18:00.45 | VIad | I already guessed purge accident :p |
| 18:01.10 | Stanzilla | okay thanks anyway |
| 18:01.17 | Neffi | is cameradistancemaxfactor also gone? |
| 18:01.20 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 18:01.22 | VIad | nope |
| 18:01.24 | Neffi | ok |
| 18:01.34 | nevcairiel | the max it reaches is still lower then before tho |
| 18:01.34 | Guill | But it is clamped to the max value the UI lets you set (1.9) |
| 18:01.40 | Neffi | I really like setting camera distance to max :/ |
| 18:01.50 | Neffi | why? |
| 18:02.12 | Guill | Neffi: Try just stepping back about 5 feet from your monitor to get the same experience! |
| 18:02.23 | Neffi | haha |
| 18:02.23 | VIad | ^ moneyshot |
| 18:02.25 | nevcairiel | "Blizzard hates fun", to quote mmo-champion :p |
| 18:02.25 | mckenziemc | because conformity, Neffi! |
| 18:02.44 | Neffi | I liked being able to get a wide top down view |
| 18:03.42 | Guill | It was a design decision that I wasn't involved in. My guess would be that people (particularly raiders) felt compelled to zoom their camera all the way out to be competitive even if that isn't the best experience. |
| 18:03.50 | Guill | I know that's how I've felt in the past |
| 18:04.54 | VIad | the current max is way too close, and I am certain a ton of people will be bugged |
| 18:05.12 | VIad | on another subject, my belt tries to escape http://ss.bool.no/capture_1466791508.png |
| 18:05.13 | nevcairiel | did you actually increase the value in the UI options VIad? its not that bad |
| 18:05.56 | VIad | yeah. but moving the slider added a couple of yards more (refreshed cvar probably) |
| 18:05.58 | Guill | Yeah, I believe we did actually increase the max value settable in the UI. If you feel like it's too close, I encourage you to post about it on the forums where the people who would make the decision to change it (i.e. not me) will see it |
| 18:06.21 | Semlar | if i can still recognize my character my camera is too close |
| 18:06.34 | VIad | ^ |
| 18:06.41 | Semlar | it needs to be in low earth orbit |
| 18:06.51 | Guill | Semlar: Have you tried just playing on a smaller monitor? |
| 18:06.55 | nevcairiel | Semlar: i'm sure thats no problem for you, you said you dont recognize anyones character hence huge-ass nameplates :p |
| 18:06.56 | Guill | Maybe stream to your phone and play on there |
| 18:07.01 | VIad | 640x480 |
| 18:07.14 | Semlar | i don't know why the player nameplate is even a nameplate |
| 18:07.23 | VIad | Semlar: it even swaps the unitid around |
| 18:07.28 | Semlar | there isn't much reason for you to be able to click it in the first place |
| 18:07.28 | VIad | so can't hack it |
| 18:07.29 | Ketho | but if i remember right the max value for that slider was 2.0 in Live, but now it's only 1.9 |
| 18:07.53 | Semlar | or for it to consume a nameplate unit id |
| 18:07.59 | nevcairiel | Ketho: it multiplies the distance though, so they could've always changed the base value it multiplies |
| 18:08.53 | Semlar | the part that's weird is that cameraDistanceMax still shows up in the console help |
| 18:08.56 | VIad | does that mean the max nameplate units is -1 when player one is enabled? |
| 18:09.06 | VIad | 29/39 |
| 18:09.17 | Semlar | yeah |
| 18:09.24 | Semlar | the player nameplate takes up a nameplate slot |
| 18:09.27 | TheDanW | it's still a nameplate, so yes |
| 18:09.28 | Semlar | well, as long as it's visible |
| 18:09.33 | VIad | or in combat |
| 18:09.35 | Semlar | it likes to hide |
| 18:09.41 | VIad | it likes to always be visible in combat |
| 18:09.45 | Semlar | i couldn't find a way to keep it visible at all times |
| 18:09.50 | VIad | even combat? |
| 18:10.00 | nevcairiel | it hides when you're at full life without any secondary resource troubles |
| 18:10.05 | VIad | aha |
| 18:10.06 | nevcairiel | or so it feels |
| 18:10.12 | nevcairiel | might stick around in combat, not sure |
| 18:10.13 | TheDanW | and not in combat |
| 18:10.19 | nevcairiel | i usually lsoe health in combat :p |
| 18:10.22 | VIad | fades out faster when not in combat |
| 18:10.49 | Semlar | it hides when you aren't in combat and ignores the "show all nameplates all the time" setting |
| 18:11.12 | Semlar | which is fine, since it's not really the same as other nameplates |
| 18:11.16 | VIad | I wonder how the game tells the frame that it should behave as player frame |
| 18:11.21 | Semlar | but it doesn't have its own setting |
| 18:11.36 | Semlar | what do you mean |
| 18:11.51 | Semlar | it's like any other nameplate |
| 18:12.29 | Semlar | it just tells the game to show one for the player |
| 18:13.03 | Semlar | it just has some extra parameters |
| 18:15.02 | Stanzilla | guys |
| 18:15.05 | Stanzilla | good news |
| 18:15.17 | Stanzilla | if you have a character on beta that still has the old camera max |
| 18:15.26 | Stanzilla | just dont zoom and you can keep it foreverrrr! |
| 18:15.47 | Semlar | that explains why my camera was still zoomed out |
| 18:16.25 | Stanzilla | so when the prepatch goes live and the characters are still zoomed out, we win :D |
| 18:16.28 | Stanzilla | just unbind the key or so :D |
| 18:16.52 | VIad | unbind zoom keys |
| 18:16.54 | VIad | keep it at max! |
| 18:16.58 | Semlar | i did come up with a way to click through friendly nameplates but it's not great since it requires turning them into unit frames |
| 18:17.15 | Semlar | and you can't exactly replicate the normal right click behavior |
| 18:17.27 | Semlar | which i think is ridiculous |
| 18:19.24 | Semlar | you can't create a unit frame that behaves like clicking on the actual unit |
| 18:20.15 | Semlar | you can make left click target them, but you can't make right click interact with them |
| 18:20.37 | Guill | Stanzilla: Don't worry, just code-reviewed a fix for that |
| 18:20.43 | Stanzilla | : ( |
| 18:20.44 | Guill | Along with another way to do it |
| 18:20.53 | Stanzilla | I should not have mentioned it! |
| 18:21.22 | Guill | If it makes you feel any better, I code reviewed them before you mentioned it. So you aren't responsible THIS time. |
| 18:22.13 | Semlar | i have a question |
| 18:22.33 | Semlar | why don't nameplates just keep the unit ID that matches their name |
| 18:22.51 | Semlar | instead of getting assigned a random ID from the pool when they're recycled |
| 18:24.57 | Semlar | you'd think NamePlate1 would always have the unitID "nameplate1" |
| 18:27.13 | znf | My question is why can't I reactivate minions :D |
| 18:30.07 | TheDanW | Semlar: there's no guarantee that nameplate frames will even be named in the future, that's why there's an API to find the frame given a unit token |
| 18:30.15 | Semlar | oh god |
| 18:30.43 | Semlar | how am i supposed to hack the nameplates if you take their names away |
| 18:30.56 | TheDanW | with the API |
| 18:31.24 | Semlar | i can't use the api in the secure environment! |
| 18:32.00 | TheDanW | that's Guill's fault |
| 18:32.05 | Semlar | i knew it |
| 18:32.17 | Ketho | do the new nameplates make it possible to see when someone facepulled a mob by scanning nameplate7target or something |
| 18:32.30 | Semlar | absolutely |
| 18:33.02 | Semlar | well assuming their nameplate is visible |
| 18:34.34 | Semlar | if you specifically want to track facepulls you'll probably have to combine it with action taken in the combat log |
| 18:35.10 | Semlar | since they might have just attacked the unit |
| 18:36.07 | Ketho | i do remember someone made a whopulled addon, maybe it could be updated for the new nameplates |
| 18:36.13 | Semlar | you can track the nameplate going from "out of combat" to "targeting a particular group member" |
| 18:36.46 | Semlar | it wouldn't be able to catch everything since the unit would have to be on screen |
| 18:36.49 | VIad | Guill: the nameplate recoding idea, do you know how far back it was added on the TODO list? |
| 18:37.56 | Guill | VIad: What nameplate recoding idea? |
| 18:38.03 | VIad | the nameplates |
| 18:38.12 | VIad | they were pretty much untouched until legion |
| 18:38.34 | VIad | just curious when they were added to the map of things to improve :p |
| 18:38.37 | Semlar | i think he's asking when you decided to add unit ids |
| 18:38.58 | Semlar | i'm assuming vanilla |
| 18:39.01 | VIad | :d |
| 18:39.12 | Semlar | they're busy vlad |
| 18:39.23 | VIad | I know |
| 18:40.07 | Guill | Oh, yeah, "fix up nameplates" has been on the list for like... a decade. We've made minor changes (I think it was in Cata that we improved nameplate movement) |
| 18:40.29 | VIad | its great they got their own unit ids |
| 18:41.31 | Semlar | i was happy when they got their own names |
| 18:41.38 | VIad | goldsink idea: 1mil gold to unlock camera distance back to 50 just ideas |
| 18:41.54 | VIad | it sure helped, Semlar |
| 18:42.32 | Semlar | they should just add a cvar to change friendly and enemy nameplate sizes separately |
| 18:42.47 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1466793763.png |
| 18:43.00 | VIad | help Semlar, my belt is warping away |
| 18:43.17 | Semlar | right now you can change the hitbox of all nameplates, but i would prefer to be able to shrink friendly nameplates in combat while retaining the ability to click on enemies |
| 18:45.26 | Stanzilla | live: http://i.imgur.com/k3Uoipr.jpg |
| 18:45.26 | Stanzilla | beta: http://i.imgur.com/kEENzJc.jpg |
| 18:45.35 | Stanzilla | for camera distance |
| 18:45.38 | Stanzilla | (max) |
| 18:45.42 | Semlar | are you a lobster |
| 18:45.48 | Semlar | i mean a scorpion |
| 18:45.51 | Stanzilla | it's a scorpion |
| 18:46.02 | Semlar | scorpid |
| 18:46.16 | Semlar | they cut the distance in half |
| 18:46.23 | Semlar | i think it's like 24 yards instead of 50 now |
| 18:46.47 | VIad | lobster |
| 18:47.02 | znf | Guill, will nameplates ever be able to have a "custom" movement type? |
| 18:47.10 | znf | or, rather, positioning |
| 18:47.16 | znf | now it's just Stack or Overlap |
| 18:47.41 | Semlar | you can refine how they move when they're set to stack |
| 18:47.50 | znf | can you? |
| 18:48.10 | znf | I used to play on a custom resolution, and I always had issues with nameplates stacking outside of my viewport :-/ |
| 18:48.15 | Semlar | there's a bunch of cvars for setting how much they're allowed to overlap and how close to the edge of the screen they're allowed to get |
| 18:48.43 | Semlar | like you can make them partially overlap each other |
| 18:48.48 | Semlar | but still spread out |
| 18:48.55 | znf | interesting |
| 18:49.02 | Semlar | i have not tried messing with those settings though |
| 18:49.14 | VIad | Semlar: I saw you and Stanzilla tried to make an addon for UI config |
| 18:49.17 | Semlar | mostly because i want my nameplates directly on top of my units |
| 18:49.27 | Semlar | "tried" |
| 18:49.27 | VIad | you have SO many CVars to consider in it :p |
| 18:49.31 | VIad | if you want a 100% collection |
| 18:49.44 | Stanzilla | it's already published |
| 18:49.45 | znf | VIad, there is a browser, you know? :P |
| 18:49.46 | Stanzilla | but ok :D |
| 18:49.50 | Guill | We'll probably iterate more on movement (and usually have a bunch of CVars that let you modify it), but I think it's unlikely that we'll allow full customization. |
| 18:49.54 | VIad | :d |
| 18:50.02 | znf | thanks |
| 18:51.12 | Semlar | what guill doesn't know is that i covered the screen in thousands of unit frames and when you mouse over one i figure out which nameplate is supposed to be there |
| 18:51.32 | znf | what's the melting point of a human being? I think I'm slowly approaching it with this heat and humidity |
| 18:51.58 | Semlar | just the outside or the bones too |
| 18:52.00 | znf | Semlar, stop fucking around and make me lazyplates |
| 18:52.18 | Semlar | bones need a really high temperature if you're planning on destroying a body |
| 18:52.42 | Semlar | it's hard to get rid of all of the evidence znf |
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| 18:53.12 | Semlar | plus googling that will probably get you put on a list |
| 18:53.39 | VIad | Guill: last annoying question. are there any plans to reduce amount of "spam" in chat related to looting gold, items, other people looting stuff, junk items, experience, and so forth? |
| 18:53.53 | Semlar | addons |
| 18:54.06 | VIad | you can say that about the entire UI |
| 18:54.17 | VIad | also with nameplates :p |
| 18:54.18 | Semlar | not true |
| 18:54.28 | Semlar | there's things we can't change |
| 18:54.33 | Stanzilla | VIad: the chat has filters for everything |
| 18:54.36 | Stanzilla | just turn shit off? |
| 18:54.38 | Miiru | like the cursor :( |
| 18:55.33 | VIad | just turning stuff off isnt the same as presenting information differently though :p |
| 18:56.05 | VIad | addons sure but the standard UI is getting nicer and nicer. on beta I play basically addon-free |
| 18:56.24 | Stanzilla | cool story bro |
| 18:56.48 | Stanzilla | I'd actually like a cool story here |
| 18:56.59 | Stanzilla | fucking 40C and 9999.9% humidity |
| 18:57.02 | Ketho | why cant it be like skyrim, mod it until it crashes |
| 18:57.17 | Semlar | i've done that on numerous occasions |
| 18:57.53 | VIad | it was just a question about something I am curious about. no need to be asses about it. |
| 18:58.11 | znf | pft, even I have done that, at least on beta |
| 18:58.13 | znf | just infinite loop |
| 18:58.15 | znf | you're done |
| 18:58.26 | Guill | VIad: Dunno. We've got a lot of tasks and I don't remember them all. I can tell you I'm not working on it right now though :P |
| 18:58.38 | VIad | good enough for me |
| 18:58.55 | znf | Guill, someone yesterday in trade asked why doesn't the dalaran hearthstone have a higher sorting priority in the default bags |
| 18:59.11 | VIad | oh yes. it gets sorted split from the HS/garrison HS |
| 18:59.19 | znf | Something about it being put at the end of the bag instead of next to the other HS |
| 19:00.13 | TheDanW | i can confirm that Guill is directly responsible for controlling sorting order on items, so it is his fault |
| 19:00.27 | Stanzilla | nice |
| 19:02.22 | VIad | TheDanW: if math.random()<.2 then return oldSort() end |
| 19:02.29 | VIad | for that item |
| 19:03.23 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.38 | TheDanW | we just add "#define true false" to a random file on Guill's computer when he's away |
| 19:04.26 | Stanzilla | I'd pay in Donuts for that |
| 19:06.50 | Guill | You guys want to hear my awesome new idea? |
| 19:07.04 | Semlar | yes |
| 19:07.05 | kd3 | sure |
| 19:07.10 | Guill | Someone should write a Lua backend to LLVM (similar to emscripten) |
| 19:07.16 | Guill | Then we can compile python with it |
| 19:07.25 | Guill | Or SDL |
| 19:07.26 | Guill | Or Linux |
| 19:07.30 | Guill | And run any of them in WoW! |
| 19:07.44 | kd3 | lmfao |
| 19:07.58 | Semlar | we should be able to use CURL |
| 19:08.13 | Guill | Ooo, I could compile Diablo 1 with it. That might actually run fast enough on modern machines to be playable |
| 19:10.03 | Semlar | what about warcraft iii |
| 19:13.17 | Stanzilla | next feature request, make warcraft 4 INSIDE of WoW |
| 19:13.29 | Stanzilla | I want those new character models put to use! |
| 19:25.12 | VIad | first time I experience someone giving death threats in overwatch :p |
| 19:25.16 | VIad | to own teammates |
| 19:25.28 | VIad | overwatch is the most toxic blizzard game to date tbh, even more so than wow :p |
| 19:25.36 | VIad | and thats a mmo with tons more players |
| 19:33.31 | Semlar | i thought wow was a single player game |
| 19:38.31 | VIad | social settings need a checkbox - "solo play" |
| 19:38.40 | VIad | won't load players and disables chat :d |
| 19:41.07 | Ketho | what happened to hearthstone inside of wow. the witcher and final fantasy IX had trading cards ingame |
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| 19:43.48 | nevcairiel | Guill: http://cowlark.com/clue/ |
| 19:43.50 | nevcairiel | it exists |
| 19:43.51 | nevcairiel | kinda |
| 19:43.53 | nevcairiel | work in progress |
| 19:48.30 | nevcairiel | using llvm would've definitely been a wiser choice, but the project is from 2008 so who knows :D |
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| 20:19.26 | VIad | havent won one game |
| 20:19.31 | VIad | I keep playing the role that it says we need |
| 20:19.38 | VIad | I will just go back to roadhog ONLY play :p |
| 20:19.47 | VIad | its silly how that works |
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| 21:04.39 | Miiru | should I report frames to blizzard which use the same name twice? |
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| 21:35.18 | Stanzilla | I think that is already reported in the legion ui bugs forum |
| 21:35.19 | Stanzilla | on wowi |
| 21:42.38 | mckenziemc | ESD-sensitive device (ESD) |
| 21:43.07 | mckenziemc | i guess i can't use that as shorthand |
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| 22:17.51 | nevcairiel | everyone likes recursive acronyms |
| 22:26.10 | foxlit | the "get IDs of everyhing in a table, ask for addirional info by ID" apis bug me. |
| 22:28.01 | mckenziemc | it's not a recursive acronym though, nevcairiel :( |
| 22:28.27 | nevcairiel | noone will notice |
| 22:28.41 | mckenziemc | who's noone?! |
| 22:28.44 | foxlit | (neither repeatedly asking for the IDs nor keeping that table around outside of code which needs it seems appealing.) |
| 22:53.16 | Guill | foxlit: It's a balancing act between wanting to have persistent IDs for things (as opposed to indices that can change and force you to update EVERYTHING instead of just the items that were modified) and not wanting to have GetNumItems/GetItemInfo(index)/GetItemInfoByID(id) |
| 22:54.03 | Guill | Agree that it's a little awkward, but I don't know that there's a better solution |
| 22:54.15 | Torhal | Telepathy! |
| 22:54.46 | Guill | Man, someone should make a library that has a single function named "DoTheRightThing()" that just does what you want |
| 22:54.50 | Guill | It'd be pretty popular |
| 22:55.00 | nevcairiel | sounds like a job for Semlar |
| 22:55.06 | foxlit | The way some people design libaries... |
| 22:56.01 | foxlit | (my keyboard lost the r key (and t went earlier), additional typos incoming everywhere.) |
| 22:56.15 | relaxok | Guill: how does GlueXML.toc work properly when it's in the wrong order dependency-wise? |
| 22:56.36 | Guill | relaxok: What's still out of order? |
| 22:57.03 | Guill | I know there were some things out of order previously (which did indeed cause some subtle bugs), but I thought that had all been fixed |
| 22:58.22 | relaxok | Guill: can't look just this moment but last i checked (a month ago?), types were being inherited that weren't defined until further down the toc |
| 22:58.52 | relaxok | i thought maybe there was some fancy dependency figurer-outer |
| 22:58.57 | relaxok | or the toc wasnt used anymore |
| 22:58.58 | relaxok | or something |
| 22:59.05 | Guill | Nope. Those templates probably just aren't being inherited |
| 23:12.28 | pompy1 | http://www.polygon.com/2016/6/23/12020154/counter-strike-csgo-illegal-gambling-lawsuit-weapon-skins-valve |
| 23:15.41 | Mr_Rabies | how dare you, you tricked me into going to polygon |
| 23:15.59 | Mr_Rabies | (you didn't acutally trick me but my dumb ass still clicked the link) :( |
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| 23:16.57 | Mr_Rabies | yeah that guy really doesn't have a case |
| 23:17.13 | Mr_Rabies | it's like suing a beer company because people bet beer for things |
| 23:17.34 | Mr_Rabies | and the beer company has nothing to do with the betting process |
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