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| 00:09.03 | xqo | hi, Im trying to make a button that casts Fishing, with :SetAttribute() |
| 00:09.18 | xqo | my button only prints 11, it doesn't cast fishing. How do I fire the SetAttribute spell? https://bpaste.net/show/8e04c5a2fd45 |
| 00:09.31 | xqo | (line 27) |
| 00:09.36 | Munk | button:SetAttribute("type", "spell") |
| 00:09.43 | Munk | button:SetAttribute("spell", spellID) |
| 00:10.43 | xqo | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=7620/fishing |
| 00:10.43 | Semlar | he's not inheriting a secure template |
| 00:10.44 | xqo | 7620? |
| 00:11.01 | Munk | local button = CreateFrame("Button", "fishingbutton", UIParent, "SecureActionButtonTemplate") |
| 00:11.25 | mckenziemc | ~wowalert |
| 00:11.26 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 00:11.41 | mckenziemc | ^ probably the quickest issue to get fixed |
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| 00:12.05 | xqo | Munk: I added your template, and changed "Fishing" to 7620 |
| 00:12.08 | xqo | still only prints 11 |
| 00:12.55 | xqo | https://bpaste.net/show/1c3345768d71 |
| 00:13.56 | sylvanaar | Who is coding Details? |
| 00:14.00 | Semlar | change it back to 'fishing' |
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| 00:14.30 | xqo | it works! thanks! |
| 00:14.58 | Semlar | maybe GetSpellInfo(7620) if it needs to be localized |
| 00:15.09 | Semlar | i'm sure there's a better way to do that |
| 00:15.18 | Munk | Oh yeaah, I remember this shit. I had to resort to storing spell names instead of IDs for my radial action bar because it wouldn't work. |
| 00:17.12 | Semlar | whatever spellid he has for fishing probably doesn't match that |
| 00:17.14 | sylvanaar | Or Storyline |
| 00:18.46 | Munk | This is in the secure templates: CastSpellByID(spellID, unit); |
| 00:18.52 | Munk | I wonder why I never got it working. |
| 00:19.47 | Semlar | you can set the spell attribute to a spellid, it just has to be the right one |
| 00:20.34 | Semlar | in my experience it's generally easier to not try and figure out what that's supposed to be |
| 00:21.20 | Predicate | In my experience, it's easier to just copy it out of an addon that already does the thing you want. |
| 00:21.33 | Munk | That's cheating |
| 00:21.42 | Predicate | That's efficient :D |
| 00:22.24 | Munk | I always kept telling myself to avoid libraries just for the sake of learning how to do stuff, but then I wanted to create an action bar addon. |
| 00:22.57 | Munk | And not one that re-used the blizzard bars. Which was too painful. |
| 00:25.29 | Torhal | I know you're avoiding libraries for some weird Not Invented Here⢠reason, but http://www.wowace.com/addons/libactionbutton-1-0/pages/api/ |
| 00:25.41 | Munk | That's what I used. :) |
| 00:25.46 | Torhal | Ah, ok. |
| 00:26.23 | Munk | The amount of API you had to list and deal with just to support every type of action was too much work and I happily found that someone else had already done it. |
| 00:26.33 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 00:29.47 | mckenziemc | you should always avoid Torhal's libraries though |
| 00:29.59 | Ressy | snickers |
| 00:30.27 | Torhal | Firstly: You're an idiot. Secondly: It's nevcairiel's library. |
| 00:30.44 | mckenziemc | so sensitive |
| 00:30.49 | mckenziemc | i wasn't talking about that one |
| 00:31.28 | Torhal | Oh, ok. |
| 00:31.41 | Semlar | how come there's never a library for what i want to do |
| 00:32.04 | mckenziemc | LibSingularity? |
| 00:32.07 | mckenziemc | it doesn't even need a version |
| 00:34.36 | Semlar | Guill: why do very long fontstrings slow down the game so much |
| 00:34.44 | mckenziemc | ... "By switching at 1.5MHz, the MP1584 is able to prevent EMI (Electromagnetic Interference) noise problems, such as those found in AM radio and ADSL applications." |
| 00:34.47 | Munk | The only thing I ever made that was close to re-usable for different things was a table parser which recursively builds frames. Sort of an option to XML. |
| 00:38.12 | xqo | my button appears on screen without me calling :Show(), how can I make it appear hidden onload? |
| 00:38.13 | xqo | https://bpaste.net/show/00d002134d69 |
| 00:38.24 | Munk | :Hide() |
| 00:38.31 | xqo | and that's OK practice? |
| 00:38.35 | xqo | :Hide onload? |
| 00:38.39 | Torhal | Yes. |
| 00:38.42 | xqo | also, the slash command I try to define on line 34 does not work |
| 00:38.50 | Munk | You're not in combat lockdown when you log in. |
| 00:39.20 | Munk | SLASH_FISHINGBUTTON1 = "/fishingbutton" |
| 00:39.21 | Munk | Maybe? |
| 00:39.31 | Semlar | there is no "onload" in lua |
| 00:39.43 | Munk | I guess what he means is when the interface loads. |
| 00:39.52 | Torhal | subscribes Semlar to OnStar. |
| 00:39.57 | xqo | right |
| 00:40.40 | Munk | Can you fish in combat? |
| 00:40.52 | Torhal | No. |
| 00:40.55 | Semlar | should be SLASH_FISHINGBUTTON1 |
| 00:40.55 | xqo | Munk: if I do SLASH_FISHINGBUTTON1, what is the name I assign my method to in SlashCmdList? |
| 00:41.06 | Munk | Still just FISHINGBUTTON |
| 00:41.50 | xqo | thanks |
| 00:42.15 | Munk | SLASH_EXAMPLE1, SLASH_EXAMPLE2 = "/ex", "/ample"; |
| 00:42.16 | Munk | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.27 | xqo | can I do local hidden = true |
| 00:42.32 | xqo | and then hidden = !hidden |
| 00:42.39 | Munk | hidden = not hidden |
| 00:42.42 | xqo | to flip it to false? |
| 00:42.45 | Munk | Is the correct syntax to flip |
| 00:43.16 | xqo | thanks |
| 00:43.25 | Semlar | you don't need to store whether the frame is hidden in a variable |
| 00:43.38 | xqo | how do I toggle hide/show? |
| 00:43.40 | Munk | No, you don't. You can just do button:Show() or button:Hide() |
| 00:43.53 | Munk | or you can do button:SetShown(button:IsShown()) |
| 00:43.59 | Semlar | you can just do frame:SetShown(not frame:GetShown()) |
| 00:44.06 | Semlar | or IsShown whatever it's called |
| 00:44.10 | Munk | Semlar corrected my stupidity. |
| 00:44.30 | Munk | Or we corrected eachother, lol. |
| 00:44.35 | mckenziemc | :p |
| 00:45.32 | Stanzilla | get a room |
| 00:45.42 | xqo | attempt to call method 'GetShown' (a nil value) |
| 00:45.47 | xqo | oh IsShown, right |
| 00:46.03 | Munk | This is my coding style: local tooltipText = (icon and text) and format(self.icon, icon).." "..text or text and text..newLines or icon and format(self.icon, icon) |
| 00:46.10 | xqo | woo, thank yo |
| 00:46.10 | xqo | u |
| 00:47.08 | mckenziemc | i'd like to buy some parentheses |
| 00:47.15 | Munk | You can't have any. |
| 00:47.38 | Semlar | i'm sure you could just use one format for that |
| 00:48.11 | Munk | I'm sure I could do a lot of things, but this is one of the oldest bits I have left and haven't felt inclined to fix it yet. |
| 00:48.12 | Torhal | formats Semlar for mckenziemc's ease of use. |
| 00:51.20 | Munk | xqo are you doing this just to learn or are you legit trying to make a fishing button addon? |
| 00:51.40 | Munk | I'm just curious. |
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| 00:57.29 | xqo | Munk: I just made the fishing button addon |
| 00:57.33 | xqo | it's here, in all it's glory: https://bpaste.net/show/38d563e2e361 |
| 00:58.05 | xqo | with a defunct PostClick handler, i just saw |
| 00:58.34 | xqo | i was lying in my chair, fishing one handed, but it was tedious to right click with the mac trackpad, and it was tedious to move the mouse down to my actionbar |
| 00:58.43 | xqo | so.. fishingbutton in the middle of the screen! |
| 00:58.43 | Semlar | you can inherit one of the ui panel templates if you're going to use those default textures |
| 00:59.29 | xqo | i hate the textures |
| 00:59.40 | xqo | they're from the first forum-post that worked |
| 01:00.07 | Munk | button:SetBackdrop({bgFile = "lol"}) is usually what I use for testing stuff. |
| 01:01.23 | Munk | There are tons of templates that you can use. The most appropriate one for spells would probably be ActionButtonTemplate, which also has a lot of stuff you don't need. |
| 01:01.28 | Semlar | you can also just call SetNormalTexture with the texture path, you don't need to create them separately |
| 01:02.14 | Semlar | if you need to change the coordinates you can call button:GetNormalTexture():SetTexCoord() |
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| 01:15.10 | pompy | http://www.pcmag.com/news/344876/myspace-breach-reportedly-affects-360m-records |
| 01:17.17 | mckenziemc | so, theirSpace for 3 years? |
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| 01:42.31 | ccox | In other news: MySpace still exists! Who knew? |
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| 01:52.36 | Mr_Rabies | deleted my myspace in 2012, dodged that bullet maybe |
| 01:54.17 | mckenziemc | maybe, maybe not |
| 01:58.15 | Torhal | It's okay, Mr_Rabies - mckenziemc only has fuzzy logic. |
| 01:59.14 | Guill | Semlar: Font::RenderCharacter seemed like a good place to put a bitcoin miner? |
| 01:59.30 | Torhal | Damn it, Guill. :/ |
| 01:59.54 | Semlar | Guill: it's just that when you try to make an edit box with something like 70k characters in it, it locks up the game every time you modify it |
| 01:59.58 | Guill | (It's a one-time slowdown, not a persistent one, right?) |
| 02:00.17 | Guill | Semlar: What if the edit box isn't multi-line? |
| 02:00.18 | Semlar | yeah it's only once when the font string is made |
| 02:00.30 | Semlar | um i'm not sure |
| 02:00.42 | Semlar | as far as i know it's any font string though |
| 02:01.01 | Guill | I'm pretty sure it's the word wrapping that causes the issue. If you throw a minimal test-case up somewhere I can profile it and see though. |
| 02:01.08 | Semlar | let me check |
| 02:01.23 | Guill | Doubt I'd have time to fix it for 7.0 since it doesn't cause issues in the base case though |
| 02:01.25 | Torhal | When MoP hit I had to split my ARL dumps into an EditBox per expansion or the game would lock until you DCd. |
| 02:02.18 | Torhal | Did some Google-fu and found references to this being an issue back to 1.x |
| 02:03.28 | Semlar | i think it may be the word wrap |
| 02:03.54 | Semlar | it's kind of hard to tell because it won't actually display more than like one line of this |
| 02:03.58 | mckenziemc | Semlar:Hide() |
| 02:06.05 | Guill | Torhal: Pretty sure this part of our font system is largely unchanged since WC3 :P |
| 02:07.13 | Torhal | Heh, not surprising. If it works... |
| 02:09.15 | Semlar | yeah it's definitely the word wrap |
| 02:09.27 | mckenziemc | if it works [most of the time] |
| 02:15.35 | Semlar | you can't create a multiline text box that doesn't wrap though |
| 02:16.47 | Semlar | so you can't just implement your own line breaks |
| 02:25.08 | Guill | Semlar: If you have a small test-case, pastebin it and I'll see if there's an easy solution |
| 02:31.02 | tz | make sure you run the test on an isolated VM, it's Semlar after all |
| 02:31.15 | Semlar | Guill: http://hastebin.com/ijugikixak.lua here's just a basic multiline edit box, if you try pasting a large amount of text into it you'll lock the game up |
| 02:32.17 | Semlar | i was using lipsum.com to generate 70k characters |
| 02:32.53 | Guill | If it's just any edit box, I'll just remove the cap on the macro window and use that. Hastebin doesn't seem to be working anyway |
| 02:33.12 | Semlar | it's any edit box |
| 02:33.19 | Semlar | any font string, really |
| 02:33.26 | Semlar | as long as it has word wrap enabled |
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| 03:32.56 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 03:33.11 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 03:33.22 | Fisker | hi! |
| 03:33.31 | Cairenn | hullo |
| 03:33.42 | Fisker | :P |
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| 06:12.32 | nebula | how do you check if a model has been set in Legion? this code sets it in OnUpdate until :GetModel() returns something because "doing it immediately after a model frame is created doesn't work reliably." |
| 06:12.39 | nebula | not sure if it's needed anymore |
| 06:46.42 | Semlar | there is an event called OnUpdateModel which you can probably use instead |
| 06:53.15 | Semlar | i'm not sure how to even test this any more |
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| 06:59.45 | nebula | i just set it after a delay, should be good enough! looked like it was always ready by the next frame atleast |
| 07:01.25 | Torhal | frames Semlar. |
| 07:01.50 | Semlar | it depends on why you needed to check that it was set |
| 07:03.04 | Semlar | my simple test didn't pan out because it's returning valid information about the model immediately after setting it |
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| 07:06.15 | Semlar | i used to have to check the model because it wouldn't scale correctly until it was showing, but i don't know if that's still an issue |
| 07:08.10 | Semlar | nebula: if you just delay your function you might run into problems if you try to set it to a model that doesn't exist |
| 07:08.26 | Semlar | depending on what you're trying to do with it |
| 07:08.35 | nebula | it's the portrait module in pitbull4 |
| 07:08.48 | Semlar | for the portrait zoom? |
| 07:09.07 | Semlar | you have to wait to set the camera? |
| 07:09.30 | nebula | for everything, :SetUnit :SetPortraitZoom :SetPoisition |
| 07:10.23 | Semlar | you mean between SetUnit and the rest of those |
| 07:10.31 | nebula | no |
| 07:10.40 | Semlar | that's the only time you should need a delay |
| 07:11.31 | Semlar | if you even need one any more, i haven't figured out a way to break this yet |
| 07:11.45 | nebula | model = CreateFrame("PlayerModel") model:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(self) self:SetUnit(unit) if type(self:GetModel) == "string" then self:SetScript("OnUpdate", nil) end end) is the gist of it |
| 07:12.24 | Semlar | right, but that's just to delay anything you might do to the model until after you know it's been loaded |
| 07:12.33 | nebula | looks like it was originally used for :SetCamera(0) on the next frame |
| 07:13.40 | Semlar | actually that's not right |
| 07:13.49 | Semlar | is that how it was really written? |
| 07:14.42 | Semlar | it should have been like model:SetUnit(unit) model:SetScript('OnUpdate', function(self) if self:GetModel() then self:SetScript('OnUpdate', nil) end) |
| 07:14.52 | nebula | http://hastebin.com/lolaqelogo.lua |
| 07:15.10 | nebula | 239 is where the onupdate is set |
| 07:16.05 | nebula | that commit is "Fix a bug where Portraits for out of range units didn't fallback" where he moved everything to model_OnUpdate |
| 07:17.15 | nebula | so maybe just delaying isn't a good idea if it actually ran for awhile trying to get a unit |
| 07:18.02 | Semlar | the order of this isn't correct, i think it only happens to work because repeatedly calling SetUnit doesn't wipe out the old model before it finishes loading |
| 07:18.36 | Semlar | if SetUnit were clearing the previous model then calling GetModel immediately afterward would make it so this never finishes |
| 07:19.12 | Semlar | or maybe once it's cached it can load immediately |
| 07:22.07 | Semlar | the point of using an OnUpdate script is to wait until GetModel returns information and that way you know the model has loaded after you attempt to set it |
| 07:22.55 | Torhal | I can't help but think "This should be an event." |
| 07:23.19 | Semlar | it sort of is, i don't think OnUpdateModel starts until the model has loaded but i can't really tell |
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| 07:25.30 | Semlar | i lied it doesn't |
| 07:26.20 | Semlar | it pretty much just immediately fires which is too early to set the camera |
| 07:26.21 | nebula | when i had onupdate and onupdatemodel, model fired the frame before GetModel() was set |
| 07:26.53 | Semlar | so what you're saying is this is Guill's fault |
| 07:27.07 | nebula | i was just going to blame it on code from wrath |
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| 07:37.13 | Semlar | alright i have a solution |
| 07:37.22 | Semlar | just call SetCamera(0) on update |
| 07:37.37 | Semlar | forever |
| 07:37.43 | nebula | >.> |
| 07:39.40 | nevcairiel | Semlars solutions sound like problems |
| 07:40.23 | Semlar | what's the worst that could happen |
| 07:40.28 | nebula | i did http://hastebin.com/varocovepe.diff but i'm not sure |
| 07:41.06 | Semlar | i can't figure out what the point of OnModelUpdate is if it's running before the model finishes loading |
| 07:41.12 | Semlar | i thought it only ran when the model animated |
| 07:46.15 | Semlar | i see the way it handles scaling is still bugged |
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| 07:47.04 | Semlar | if you call model:SetModelScale(0.5) and then set a new model, it will display the new model at a scale of 1 but GetModelScale() will continue returning 0.5, and setting it to 1 will double its size |
| 07:48.29 | mitch0 | \o/ |
| 07:50.17 | VIad | hook SetModel methods to pre-SetModelScale1 before changing the models :( |
| 07:50.58 | Semlar | so far my only actual solution is to call GetCameraPosition or SetCameraPosition when you set the model and then wait until it returns something different to stop OnUpdate |
| 07:51.42 | Semlar | but that seems like it could potentially never exit OnUpdate if the camera position doesn't update |
| 07:52.32 | Semlar | so you'd probably also have to check elapsed time and add a timeout |
| 07:54.43 | Semlar | and SetCameraPosition doesn't work if it isn't using a custom camera so maybe just record GetCameraPosition before you call SetCamera(0) and check it until it returns a different value |
| 07:57.39 | VIad | generally working with models can be messy |
| 07:58.24 | VIad | like the dressup one, working on implementing a way to track what the user has equipped, so hooking the try method, and have to track slots so if user changes model, the gear should auto-equip |
| 07:59.02 | VIad | also I think there is a fix for the DW equip issues, got to keep that in mind too :p |
| 07:59.30 | VIad | Semlar: how do you make models animate emotes? or a sequence of animations |
| 07:59.43 | Semlar | PlayAnimKit |
| 07:59.44 | VIad | are there events to indicate when the cycle ends, or do you need to time everything manually? |
| 07:59.46 | VIad | aha |
| 07:59.56 | VIad | that plays a slice of animation or a set? |
| 08:00.04 | Semlar | it plays an entire animation |
| 08:00.08 | VIad | aha |
| 08:00.14 | VIad | sounds new-ish |
| 08:00.19 | Semlar | yes |
| 08:00.21 | VIad | last time I played with model widget was like cata :p |
| 08:00.28 | VIad | pre-playanimkit? |
| 08:00.29 | Semlar | the old way required calling SetSequenceTime |
| 08:00.38 | VIad | oh |
| 08:00.47 | Semlar | repeatedly |
| 08:00.52 | Semlar | to step through the animation |
| 08:01.17 | Semlar | and if a unit had 2 animations for the same animation kit it just tried to play both of them at once |
| 08:01.38 | Semlar | like dwarves have 2 different death animations and it just flipped out trying to display both of them at the same time |
| 08:02.16 | Semlar | in fact the only way i know of to specify which animation to play now is to use FreezeAnimation |
| 08:02.37 | Semlar | and play it frame by frame |
| 08:03.04 | Semlar | i mean if you want to play a specific variation of an animation |
| 08:03.10 | VIad | thats what I remember |
| 08:03.22 | VIad | it was horrible |
| 08:03.29 | VIad | did blizzard even use it themselves? |
| 08:03.42 | Semlar | the model functions? |
| 08:03.43 | Semlar | no |
| 08:03.58 | Semlar | i'm surprised we could even use SetSequenceTime |
| 08:05.47 | VIad | the dark ages, man |
| 08:06.15 | VIad | btw surprisingly extremely hard to find adapter for a PC headset to go in the phone :p |
| 08:06.39 | VIad | I had one from my siberia headset, and tried to find another one in the stores, nope! |
| 08:07.04 | VIad | you know, 2 female for the mic/headphones to one male for the phone |
| 08:07.25 | VIad | and another issue atm, probably smaller, to find a usb a-male to a-micro-female |
| 08:07.47 | Semlar | i wonder what RefreshCamera does |
| 08:07.56 | VIad | found one in china, costs like $1.39 but with shipping it's +$30 kek |
| 08:08.16 | VIad | refresh camera - doesnt it reset to back to default position in the model coordinate world? |
| 08:09.12 | Semlar | it does seem to reset it |
| 08:09.22 | Semlar | that's a horrible name |
| 08:11.09 | VIad | ResetCamera would be fine |
| 08:11.17 | VIad | or CameraReset if you want to keep all the camera stuff prefixed with Camera |
| 08:11.31 | VIad | I am kind of a fan to group up stuff, so I'd probably use Camera first :( |
| 08:17.00 | nebula | verb first! |
| 08:25.57 | VIad | to be honest its difficult, like, what is the best way, nebula - keep stuff grouped with a prefix, or verbs first? :p |
| 08:26.03 | VIad | and group in the manual |
| 08:26.06 | VIad | (if there is a manual) |
| 08:37.14 | nebula | VIad: maybe if it's mostly procedural, classes/namespaces should be all the grouping you need |
| 08:43.58 | VIad | but widgets have no grouping :( |
| 08:44.28 | VIad | you only have the function name, and defining that as good as you can |
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| 08:45.05 | VIad | widgets usually inherit from so much so it starts to get a bit messy eventually :d |
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| 09:14.18 | winny | hey |
| 09:14.30 | winny | so is the # operator not present in old versions of WoW? |
| 09:15.18 | nebula | it's been there for a long time, i forget when getn was deprecated |
| 09:15.23 | nevcairiel | it was added ages ago, but we dont discuss old versions here |
| 09:15.36 | winny | i'm playing with vanilla wow, wink wink nudge nudge |
| 09:15.47 | nevcairiel | well then you better not talk about that here |
| 09:15.54 | winny | just surprised, because i thought it was more or less ootb 5.1 lua with certain functions removed |
| 09:29.01 | VIad | if you want a real throwback, play the sandbox vanilla alpha/beta, jeez. the lua functionality is like working with stoneage tools. |
| 09:29.20 | VIad | lua 3/4? |
| 09:29.53 | VIad | btw nevcairiel, what do you think about blizz stance to purge the net of overwatch porn artwork? :p |
| 09:30.06 | VIad | (while we are on the subject of what blizz doesn't like) |
| 09:30.49 | nevcairiel | one cannot purge porn from the net |
| 09:31.35 | Gnarfoz | even vanilla WoW used Lua 5, VIad |
| 09:31.54 | VIad | Gnarfoz: was talking about the alpha build on the web |
| 09:32.16 | Gnarfoz | I'm sure that includes versions before 1.1 |
| 09:32.40 | nevcairiel | some eary in-development screenshots are hard to even recognize as WoW, so anything goes |
| 09:33.06 | Gnarfoz | the ancient E3 version barely looks like it, yeah |
| 09:33.38 | Gnarfoz | but anything publicly available is pretty similar |
| 09:34.43 | VIad | wtb multithreading so we can run 3rd party addons in separate thread so we dont lock up the UI if stuff go badly, i.e. blame the addon devs |
| 09:34.56 | nevcairiel | you dont want threading |
| 09:35.09 | VIad | or, just have default game run all 3rd party addons in their own thread |
| 09:35.13 | Gnarfoz | a single thread not tied to the render pipeline would be enough |
| 09:35.18 | VIad | yeah |
| 09:35.21 | Gnarfoz | but that's also not going to happen |
| 09:35.22 | nevcairiel | that still adds plenty headaches |
| 09:35.29 | VIad | if your addon while(true) locks the game, meh |
| 09:35.30 | Gnarfoz | I'm aware |
| 09:35.40 | VIad | you don't want that to happen when raiding :p |
| 09:35.41 | nevcairiel | as unfortunate as it is, but it would complicate everything immensely |
| 09:35.47 | Gnarfoz | winny: https://github.com/cogwheel/lua-wow has at least a somewhat useful list of the differences |
| 09:35.48 | VIad | some obscure random addon doing something naughty |
| 09:35.57 | Gnarfoz | just ban naughtyaddon |
| 09:36.13 | Gnarfoz | easier than rearchitecting the UI just for us 3rd-partiers |
| 09:36.15 | nevcairiel | most addons i run on a day to day basis, I've inspected at some point =p |
| 09:37.05 | VIad | thing is sometimes something acts up under very specfic circumstances, can happen to anything, even WA, and if that happens because of 40 man raid, you go down to 5 fps, its horrible. then the great debug fest happens. :( |
| 09:37.13 | winny | everything u do every day depends on a level of concurrent execution |
| 09:37.22 | VIad | maybe if 3rd party ran on their own pipe we could also get more accurate logging done? |
| 09:37.23 | winny | giving addons separate threads will only present different issues |
| 09:37.33 | VIad | it wouldn't be noticable to the addons |
| 09:37.39 | VIad | just how the game handles them :p |
| 09:37.46 | winny | Gnarfoz: thanks by the way :) |
| 09:37.50 | Gnarfoz | what logging, VIad |
| 09:37.57 | VIad | like taint logging or what not |
| 09:38.02 | Gnarfoz | that's not done by addons |
| 09:38.09 | Gnarfoz | neither is combatlogging |
| 09:38.10 | nevcairiel | the problem is that addons still need to interact with the game state |
| 09:38.20 | VIad | yeah |
| 09:38.32 | nevcairiel | so the game would either snapshot or sync all sorts of state to the addon thread |
| 09:38.52 | nevcairiel | and in the opposite direction as well when an addon creates a new frame etc |
| 09:39.30 | nevcairiel | its something easily suggested, but very hard to do |
| 09:39.36 | VIad | I agree |
| 09:40.36 | VIad | alternatively what about having your own thread available for addons, so we could specifically execute certain code in said thread, so in worst case, it wouldn't break the rendering thread |
| 09:41.32 | nevcairiel | still the same problems, as soon as such a thread would try to do anything with the game, you end up with headaches |
| 09:41.34 | VIad | sometimes you want to calculate the next known digit of pi while playing :p |
| 09:41.40 | Gnarfoz | Â good luck with making people only do work suited for that inside those extra threads |
| 09:41.48 | VIad | I know |
| 09:42.04 | VIad | well |
| 09:42.09 | nevcairiel | doesnt help that lua itself doesnt have threads, who knows if the language features are all thread safe |
| 09:42.11 | Semlar | how are you supposed to react to events happening if the game is continuing on separate from your addon |
| 09:42.13 | Gnarfoz | you'd look away for 5 minutes and suddenly there'd be an Elv or someone doing nonsense with it |
| 09:42.50 | VIad | Semlar: a lot of assumptions |
| 09:42.56 | VIad | you'd have to assume a lot of things :p |
| 09:43.27 | Semlar | your addon really has to be doing something wrong to interfere with gameplay as it is |
| 09:43.59 | nevcairiel | some addons will definitely cost you a bit of fps, but if gets you down to unplayable, the addon is either broken, or your fps was shit to begin with =p |
| 09:44.25 | VIad | I remember some really rare and extreme cases |
| 09:44.31 | VIad | I still to this day never found out what caused it |
| 09:44.42 | VIad | back in mop, like, total of 10 times during the entire expansion |
| 09:44.48 | VIad | I experienced 1 fps for a minute |
| 09:44.51 | VIad | then normal |
| 09:44.55 | VIad | glhf debugging those |
| 09:45.14 | Semlar | sounds more like a computer problem |
| 09:45.17 | VIad | it just disappeared eventually, some weird addon did something really weird in very strange situations |
| 09:46.00 | VIad | it was only wow related so doubt it, but hard to say, cant run the debug mode all day long |
| 09:46.08 | VIad | I am pretty sure it was addon related :p |
| 09:48.18 | Semlar | could be, but saying something was doing something weird in response to something strange isn't very specific |
| 09:49.33 | VIad | I can't be very specific, I never got the chance to dig into it |
| 09:49.55 | VIad | the circumstances the issue occured was very different each case, most recent I remember, I was doing dailies alone :p |
| 09:50.23 | Gnarfoz | memory leak, hooo |
| 09:50.43 | VIad | doubt that but I guess maybe |
| 09:51.10 | VIad | the rest of the computer worked fine so never really noticed any major issues with the machine itself |
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| 09:53.06 | VIad | got to say, very rarely are there issues that cause fps problems. usually it is CLEU related code. |
| 09:53.38 | VIad | I think CLEU is the only spike I can think off that turns your efficient coded addon when soloing, to a nightmare in a 40 man bg :p |
| 09:53.56 | VIad | (what seemed efficient) |
| 09:55.30 | VIad | I remember when I made my interrupt addon for myself, technically it would work for any unit, so for fun I enabled it in a raid... oh boy :p |
| 09:56.07 | VIad | it basically detected interrupt/silence abilities, registered what players used such, and assisted with telling their interrupts to the group, and if they tried to do it again, a message that they have a CD, that someone else should interrupt :p |
| 09:56.40 | VIad | it was horribly beautiful doing that in AV, and poor fps when a lot of people gathered :( |
| 09:57.08 | VIad | tbh there are more events happening than the game can render in the combat log |
| 09:57.13 | VIad | if you subscribe to all CLEU events :p |
| 09:57.32 | VIad | I guess that is why the "Everything" filter that I think was in the game when they redid the combat log |
| 09:57.37 | VIad | now its gone, probably performance related |
| 09:57.59 | Semlar | the U is for unfiltered |
| 09:58.03 | VIad | yes |
| 09:58.09 | Semlar | i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 09:59.08 | VIad | if you code stuff that use CLEU, but you code it badly, it will kill your fps in huge raids where there are a lot of combat events |
| 09:59.27 | VIad | but you might not realize it will be a problem when testing solo vs a target dummy |
| 10:00.43 | VIad | oh, did legion improve the advanced combat logging feature? |
| 10:00.58 | VIad | performance wise |
| 10:33.59 | Gnarfoz | I doubt the combatlog (advanced or not) has any impact on game performancwe |
| 10:34.22 | Gnarfoz | it's a buffered write to a text file, not even related to the in-game addon system |
| 10:34.53 | Gnarfoz | unless you redirected wow\logs\ to a tape drive, you should be fine |
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| 11:03.54 | VIad | Gnarfoz: I notice some fps difference when logging advanced and not |
| 11:04.11 | Gnarfoz | are you playing on a potato? |
| 11:04.34 | VIad | in a heroic group nuking archimonde, back in the day when I actively killed him, enabling advanced and logging was noticable a little when the raid was doing their upmost best (loads of spells) |
| 11:04.37 | Gnarfoz | (well, it might affect the game, I guess - but it's not related to the addon system to my knowledge) |
| 11:04.46 | VIad | yeah not addons |
| 11:04.56 | VIad | this is just the performance required to advance log :p |
| 11:05.02 | Gnarfoz | it even says in the description that it'll cause more network traffic |
| 11:05.16 | VIad | unsure how advanced affects CLEU, probably not at all |
| 11:05.43 | Gnarfoz | not sure what kind of performance would be necessary, I don't see it having to do any particular processing of the data |
| 11:05.51 | Gnarfoz | Â wtb Kihra in here |
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| 12:41.50 | VIad | sent some mails about usb male-a to female-micro-a adapter/cable |
| 12:42.04 | VIad | so far no one has this, but it exists on amazon, shame the $30 shipping :p |
| 12:42.18 | VIad | this is why people make their own unsafe versions at home, it's cheaper! |
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| 13:28.50 | VIad | hi ako |
| 13:28.52 | VIad | a-ko |
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| 13:29.47 | A-KO | hello |
| 13:29.56 | VIad | working on any addons for legion? |
| 13:33.59 | Munk | Aren't we all? :) |
| 13:34.19 | Semlar | not me |
| 13:34.28 | Munk | What about your nameplates |
| 13:34.31 | Semlar | i'm learning how to be a lumberjack |
| 13:34.37 | Munk | That's nice. |
| 13:35.03 | VIad | jumberlack |
| 13:37.55 | foxlit | Semlar: maybe preferable to that farm/bull thing. |
| 13:49.43 | A-KO | LOL, I need to fix mine up.... |
| 13:49.45 | A-KO | actually.. |
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| 14:48.48 | mckenziemc | USB cables aren't supposed to be A to A, VIad |
| 14:49.51 | mckenziemc | oh you mean an extension / adaptor |
| 14:51.35 | VIad | mckenziemc: yes |
| 14:51.55 | VIad | I got a micro-a usb that is male, but I only got large female usb on my computer |
| 14:52.06 | VIad | so unless I want to connect it to my phone, I need adapter/cable :p |
| 14:53.56 | mckenziemc | can't you use a proper A to micro-B? |
| 14:54.18 | VIad | wait |
| 14:54.58 | nevcairiel | who the f uses micro-a anyway |
| 14:55.15 | VIad | http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_172524_3.jpg |
| 14:55.19 | VIad | I need that |
| 14:55.51 | Gnarfoz | that's micro b |
| 14:55.52 | VIad | micro-b |
| 14:56.01 | mckenziemc | female |
| 14:56.03 | VIad | yeah |
| 14:56.17 | mckenziemc | that's an adaptor, not the end device you need it for? |
| 14:56.29 | Gnarfoz | what's on the non-computer end of the cable, VIad |
| 14:56.35 | VIad | jupp |
| 14:56.52 | mckenziemc | what are you trying to connect to a computer |
| 14:57.01 | VIad | usb that goes into the computer is type a male, and the other end connects to the device for power |
| 14:57.07 | Gnarfoz | what is the device |
| 14:57.11 | Gnarfoz | and which connector does it have |
| 14:57.20 | VIad | this magical device has a male b-type connector |
| 14:57.36 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 14:57.39 | Gnarfoz | a male plug... ON the device? |
| 14:57.43 | VIad | yes |
| 14:57.51 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 14:57.54 | VIad | :D |
| 14:58.22 | VIad | you are supposed to connect it to the phone, but I dont want to do that, it eats batteries |
| 14:58.32 | VIad | so rather just use it on the computer that has virtually endless supply |
| 14:58.40 | VIad | it only uses that for power consumption |
| 14:59.45 | mckenziemc | https://www.pololu.com/product/2592 :D |
| 15:01.06 | VIad | I found one for $1 |
| 15:01.12 | VIad | but +$30 shipping |
| 15:01.15 | VIad | so no thanks :p |
| 15:01.26 | VIad | and having difficulties finding a dealer I can visit to buy it from |
| 15:01.34 | VIad | sent mails to a lot of them asking and showing picture and no one has it |
| 15:01.45 | VIad | like how no one has a mic/audio to phone adapter |
| 15:02.28 | mckenziemc | shouldn't have bought a device with a male USB plug! |
| 15:02.34 | VIad | I got it for free |
| 15:02.50 | VIad | was just trying to cheapily hook it up to my pc :p |
| 15:03.46 | mckenziemc | free, minus the shipping it will take to get a suitable adapter? |
| 15:03.58 | VIad | hehe,yeah |
| 15:04.04 | Gnarfoz | why on earth would something that could be taped to a post card have 30$ shipping |
| 15:04.08 | VIad | wouldnt have been a issue if I could drop in a buy it from a store |
| 15:04.12 | VIad | because amazon |
| 15:04.13 | VIad | ebay |
| 15:04.14 | Gnarfoz | have you moved to Antarctica recently? |
| 15:04.24 | VIad | amazon said the only option was $30 shipping :p |
| 15:04.33 | Gnarfoz | probably Amazon Marketplace, not Amazon |
| 15:04.41 | Gnarfoz | or you're living in the Amazon |
| 15:04.48 | Gnarfoz | :L |
| 15:04.55 | VIad | x3 |
| 15:10.44 | Gnarfoz | VIad: you linked the picture from DX earlier... |
| 15:10.45 | Gnarfoz | http://i.imgur.com/IMCQhwG.png |
| 15:10.51 | Gnarfoz | free shipping to Norway |
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| 15:11.00 | Gnarfoz | just ordere there? ^^ |
| 15:11.03 | Gnarfoz | -e |
| 15:11.13 | VIad | I found copied the image result on google :p |
| 15:11.16 | VIad | if its free Ill do it |
| 15:11.38 | Gnarfoz | 10⬠shipping if you order from DX europe, which is still ridiculous, but it's not 30 |
| 15:11.45 | Gnarfoz | but from china it's apparently free |
| 15:11.46 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 15:12.00 | VIad | lol |
| 15:12.11 | Gnarfoz | makes total sense |
| 15:12.39 | VIad | I can buy the device from the store for cheaper than the shipping |
| 15:12.41 | Gnarfoz | http://www.dx.com/p/micro-usb-female-to-usb-male-adapter-black-172524 in case you can't find it |
| 15:22.48 | VIad | thanks, Gnarfoz |
| 15:25.30 | VIad | how do they earn anything if it costs $1.5 and free shipping |
| 15:25.36 | VIad | doesnt it cost more to ship it? :p |
| 15:25.50 | mckenziemc | not if you buy other stuff from them |
| 15:25.54 | VIad | I didn't :( |
| 15:25.57 | mckenziemc | but if you only order that, shame on you |
| 15:26.01 | VIad | sorry! |
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| 16:50.23 | Yoshimo | nevcairiel: can you tell me if the ShadowedUnitFrames update is backwards compatible with the live realms? |
| 16:51.04 | nevcairiel | if its in master, its compatible, if its a special branch, its not |
| 16:51.32 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel does it right |
| 16:57.28 | zenzelezz | did Youtube break their list view somehow? Refuses to work for me (and, first world problem, I don't like the grid view) |
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| 18:00.55 | Seerah | hihi |
| 18:11.46 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 18:16.43 | Stanzilla | a new shooting in the US |
| 18:16.45 | Stanzilla | big surprise here |
| 18:16.51 | kd3 | must be a day ending in y |
| 18:16.53 | kd3 | sighs |
| 18:16.57 | Stanzilla | yup |
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| 18:32.57 | VIad | california. just left the livingroom, was on then ews. |
| 18:33.54 | nevcairiel | if you would hear about every shooting thats not repoted, you would just rule it as default every day behavior |
| 18:35.56 | Neffi | Semlar: I heard your house got attacked by a drums |
| 18:35.58 | Neffi | druid |
| 18:37.00 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.25 | Neffi | do you live in the middle of a jungle? |
| 18:37.33 | Semlar | why do people keep asking me that |
| 18:37.46 | Neffi | because it appears that way |
| 18:38.33 | Semlar | oh, yeah it's basically jumanji over here |
| 18:39.14 | Neffi | yes |
| 18:39.21 | Semlar | wait does that make this a tree house? |
| 18:39.27 | Neffi | yes. |
| 18:48.20 | Semlar | neat |
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| 19:28.37 | Gnarfoz | is it possible to delete just the data files related to a language (CASC games)? |
| 19:28.45 | Gnarfoz | asking for a friend |
| 19:31.17 | Guill | Semlar: So I improved paste performance a bit. Creating really long font strings is still pretty inefficient (it generates geometry for the entire string, even if it isn't rendered), but the additional cost of pasting is mostly gone. |
| 19:31.34 | Semlar | :O |
| 19:31.37 | Guill | Semlar: Went from > 1 minute freeze when pasting 40k to ~3 seconds on a non-optimized client |
| 19:32.37 | Semlar | why does word wrap add so much overhead |
| 19:33.15 | Semlar | just from recalculating the break points every time the text is changed? |
| 19:34.29 | Guill | Semlar: Each line is new geometry. Just the overhead of that I think |
| 19:34.30 | mckenziemc | i don't think that's how extension cords are meant to be used, Semlar |
| 19:34.54 | Semlar | i had to improvise |
| 19:35.42 | Semlar | anyway, thanks guill <3 |
| 19:36.13 | mckenziemc | http://www.harborfreight.com/material-handling/rope/3-8-eighth-inch-x-100-ft-diamond-braid-rope-92463.html |
| 19:36.16 | Fisker | Guill is pretty useful |
| 19:36.32 | mckenziemc | slits Fisker's gills back open. |
| 19:38.50 | Infus | Guill: thank you |
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| 21:33.54 | VIad | the |Ttexture:0:0:0...|t trying to simply snip off 10% of each edge, i.e. remove the borders |
| 21:33.59 | VIad | it's horribly fiddl |
| 21:37.30 | VIad | this kind of seems okay |
| 21:37.30 | VIad | :0:0:0:0:64:64:6:58:6:58 |
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| 22:24.49 | bshelden | Huh, Celestalon mentioned the base speed. 7yd/sec |
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| 23:01.24 | Gnarfoz | so? :o |
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| 23:08.44 | bshelden | Just one of those little details I've been curious of. |
| 23:14.58 | Stanzilla | glad I asked then |
| 23:16.10 | Torhal | Semlar: Now if only you and nebula would mention the whole model loading issue, maybe Guill would find time to add something like a PLAYER_MODEL_LOADED event... |
| 23:16.17 | Torhal | >.> |
| 23:17.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Noshei (~quassel@c-24-9-171-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 23:19.54 | Stanzilla | why, you did it just fine, Torhal |
| 23:20.15 | Torhal | :/ |
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| 23:22.14 | [TOM_RUS] | bshelden, movement speed is a such a news... not really https://github.com/cmangos/mangos-wotlk/blob/master/src/game/Unit.cpp#L53 |
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| 23:26.55 | Munk | Torhal: What's the loading issue? The fact that models aren't always instantly shown and there's no way to figure out if they are? |
| 23:27.26 | Torhal | Munk: I guess? Something Semlar and nebula were trying to sort out in this channel a couple of hours before I went to bed. |
| 23:27.49 | Torhal | Sounded like an ideal candidate for an event. |
| 23:29.10 | Munk | I agree. I created this frame http://i.imgur.com/N1a9QTK.jpg, which uses two models (a sparkly thing behind the crest and a smoke effect covering the frame) and without them it looks very dull. |
| 23:29.27 | Munk | Would be nice if I could show a loading dial or something to that effect while waiting for the models to load. |
| 23:31.40 | Torhal | Ah, here it is: |
| 23:31.52 | Torhal | <nebula> how do you check if a model has been set in Legion? this code sets it in OnUpdate until :GetModel() returns something because "doing it immediately after a model frame is created doesn't work reliably." |
| 23:32.19 | Torhal | Haaaacky. |
| 23:32.22 | Munk | Very. |
| 23:36.57 | bshelden | I am amused that multiple people felt the need to point out that they didn't care. You know ignoring it requires less effort, right? |
| 23:37.31 | Torhal | Huh? |
| 23:39.18 | Gnarfoz | ignoring what? |
| 23:40.57 | kd3 | ? |
