| 00:00.06 | Predicate | Space is always precious! |
| 00:00.08 | mckenziemc | i was dual boxing for a while |
| 00:00.09 | Gnarfoz | launching games, mostly? the reason it exists |
| 00:00.16 | Predicate | You can launch them from the systray menu |
| 00:00.20 | Gnarfoz | also, using the BDA SSO to log into the website |
| 00:00.40 | mckenziemc | the tray icon just opens the main launcher when you click on a game |
| 00:00.48 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 00:00.49 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.53 | Predicate | Really? That's dumb. |
| 00:01.55 | Predicate | Well see, you have start menu shortcuts to all the individual games...do those work, or just pull up the Battle.net window too? |
| 00:02.00 | Gnarfoz | I think in the time wasted on this topic now, mckenziemc could have not only reinstalled the BDA but also Windows. :D |
| 00:02.20 | nebula | they open the game tab in the launcher |
| 00:02.23 | mckenziemc | a script in VMware is downloading eclipse.... |
| 00:02.28 | Gnarfoz | I actually don't, since I never installed these games |
| 00:02.32 | Predicate | Whyyyy, Blizzard ;_; |
| 00:02.33 | mckenziemc | so battle.net is still at 33% |
| 00:03.03 | Gnarfoz | mckenziemc: so you could say... it's eclipsing battle.net's download progress? |
| 00:03.06 | Gnarfoz | >_________> |
| 00:03.07 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 00:03.28 | Gnarfoz | BEGONE, bnet launcher! |
| 00:03.36 | Gnarfoz | unpins |
| 00:03.47 | Predicate | The whole thing just seems like a mess on Windows. It's so much simpler to run things with a command and not have buttons and icons and windows all over the place. |
| 00:03.56 | foxlit | Semlar: http://go-hero.net/i/la.PNG |
| 00:03.57 | Gnarfoz | it's not like you can't. |
| 00:04.33 | nebula | you could by all means just shortcut the actual game exe |
| 00:04.37 | Gnarfoz | and it's not like there isn't a version that makes that the only option, either! :D |
| 00:04.40 | Semlar | why do you have like 3 bnet icons foxlit |
| 00:04.50 | Gnarfoz | but if you do that... you don't get SSO |
| 00:04.55 | nebula | ^ |
| 00:05.00 | foxlit | one is the Launcher pin, the other is the open battle.net app, and the third is the shortcut properties. |
| 00:05.14 | Semlar | the open launcher, for me, just uses the pinned icon |
| 00:05.17 | nebula | same |
| 00:05.21 | Semlar | the properties menu doesn't even open in the taskbar |
| 00:05.24 | foxlit | doesn't work here. |
| 00:05.25 | Predicate | I don't use SSO since I have so many Battle.net accounts anyway, I just leave the launcher logged into the one I play Hearthstone on since there's no way to log into that otherwise ;_; |
| 00:05.34 | Semlar | but i'm using windows7 |
| 00:05.39 | Semlar | so who knows |
| 00:05.39 | Gnarfoz | multiple bnet accounts, u wot m8 |
| 00:06.05 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: wfm on win10, so it's not that |
| 00:06.05 | mckenziemc | multiple PTR accounts ;) |
| 00:06.20 | Gnarfoz | I had a boatload of them on one account |
| 00:06.38 | Gnarfoz | (and it prevented me from getting Legion alpha on day 1~ ty blizz acc system) |
| 00:06.38 | Predicate | Well, you can only buy 18 tokens per year per bnet account, so most of my WoW accounts are spread out. |
| 00:07.03 | Gnarfoz | with gold? or with � |
| 00:07.08 | Predicate | With gold. |
| 00:07.17 | mckenziemc | cute |
| 00:07.32 | Semlar | why can't i hold all these tokens |
| 00:07.42 | Semlar | meanwhile i don't even have an active subscription |
| 00:08.07 | Predicate | Besides, I use different accounts for different tasks. Wouldn't do at all to have my UI dev stuff interrupt conversations with my raiding guild. |
| 00:08.40 | Stanzilla | you dont even raid |
| 00:08.49 | nebula | use a different toon? lol |
| 00:08.54 | Predicate | Yeah I do... 13/13H HFC |
| 00:08.59 | Stanzilla | nice! |
| 00:09.07 | Predicate | That doesn't work for Bnet whispers, nebula :P |
| 00:09.23 | Gnarfoz | where did "toon" ever come from, anyway... not even all english speakers say that |
| 00:09.24 | Stanzilla | warlock? |
| 00:09.35 | Predicate | Are there other classes? ;) |
| 00:09.39 | mckenziemc | cartoon |
| 00:09.41 | foxlit | Just don't friend anyone on battle.net, ever. |
| 00:09.51 | Gnarfoz | rpg characters are cartoons? :o |
| 00:09.54 | nebula | Gnarfoz: i dunno, everyone i ever knew that played vanilla called them toons, and it just sort of stuck |
| 00:10.13 | mckenziemc | i don't like it either, Gnarfoz |
| 00:10.33 | Gnarfoz | it's like "PST" which nobody here uses, but at least that IS explained in the vanilla manual's acronym list :D |
| 00:10.48 | Stanzilla | w me |
| 00:10.51 | Gnarfoz | ! |
| 00:11.12 | Gnarfoz | (pst isn't used because nobody uses "tell" to mean "whisper") |
| 00:11.12 | Predicate | TIL people actually refer to the vanilla manual for...anything. |
| 00:11.38 | nebula | i do ;[ |
| 00:11.41 | Gnarfoz | Predicate: anecdotal evidence that said acronym or abbreviation existed at that point in time |
| 00:11.50 | foxlit | (it's a little sad that they replaced most of the single-game friend features with battle.net-wide ones) |
| 00:11.54 | Predicate | Well, it comes from older games... |
| 00:12.06 | Gnarfoz | that is the implication. |
| 00:13.19 | Gnarfoz | WoW has nearly unlimited people who have never played any other mmo before WoW, though ^^ |
| 00:13.32 | Predicate | Yeah, and they need to get the hell off my lawn. |
| 00:13.42 | karl_w_w | wasn't it called tell in wc3? |
| 00:14.28 | Gnarfoz | not sure that counts as an mmo |
| 00:14.34 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:14.44 | Gnarfoz | also who'd you talk to in a single-player game... :> |
| 00:15.05 | karl_w_w | the other people on the b.net server :P |
| 00:30.27 | Munk | https://i.gyazo.com/cf8d3e22f09aba532e26e2d7a560eba1.jpg |
| 00:30.34 | Munk | What the fuck is wrong with the camera? |
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| 00:31.39 | Predicate | Eh, probably just inside a pillar or something. |
| 00:31.51 | Semlar | you appear to be missing a few textures |
| 00:31.57 | Munk | No. It's way above my head |
| 00:32.23 | Munk | As if I were about Archimonde's height |
| 00:32.45 | Predicate | Were you playing with actioncam? |
| 00:32.56 | Munk | I was. |
| 00:33.00 | Semlar | rip |
| 00:33.12 | Predicate | All your fault, then. |
| 00:33.45 | Munk | You mean it can't be fixed? |
| 00:33.54 | Semlar | sure it can, just figure out how to reset it |
| 00:34.00 | Semlar | what did you do |
| 00:34.12 | Munk | Did they remove action cam? |
| 00:34.25 | Gnarfoz | it's for the console version |
| 00:34.35 | Gnarfoz | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 00:34.35 | Munk | I managed to fix it by teleporting to the class hall |
| 00:35.02 | Semlar | what did you set action cam to |
| 00:35.09 | Munk | Only had focusOff |
| 00:35.23 | Munk | Still seemed to work when I logged on, but it's gone now. |
| 00:35.40 | Munk | So it was removed then? |
| 00:35.52 | Semlar | maybe, i don't think it was supposed to be in the game |
| 00:36.03 | Semlar | i can't actually log in though |
| 00:36.10 | Semlar | says my version is incompatible |
| 00:36.25 | Munk | It seemed very unpolished, but it's weird because they did change it in the previous patch without removing the exposure |
| 00:36.42 | Munk | Just open task manager and force quit the client you have running in the background and restart the bnet app? |
| 00:36.53 | Predicate | Even if the actioncam command was removed, the underlying CVars probably weren't, so try setting those. |
| 00:37.04 | Semlar | maybe |
| 00:37.15 | Gnarfoz | ugh |
| 00:37.24 | Gnarfoz | WHAT'S NEW: BROKEN ISLES |
| 00:37.36 | Semlar | yeah just do /console cameraOverShoulder 4000 |
| 00:37.50 | Munk | First time I tried it, it would dart around all over the place when using Blade Dance as havoc, but it didn't in the patch prior to this one. |
| 00:37.52 | Gnarfoz | ohai Maxwell Tyrosus, not despawning on me for once when I want to turn in a quest |
| 00:38.28 | Gnarfoz | ok, never mind that, he's gone again after turning in artifact #2 quest |
| 00:38.29 | Munk | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.34 | Gnarfoz | broken piece of crap :D |
| 00:38.34 | Munk | Still works. |
| 00:38.39 | Semlar | what about 4000 |
| 00:39.01 | Munk | Never mind, action cam is still there. |
| 00:39.02 | Munk | :p |
| 00:39.08 | Munk | Yes, yes semlar. I know. |
| 00:39.08 | Kesava | 4000 is more fun |
| 00:39.21 | Kesava | my client only just started downloading, psh |
| 00:39.21 | Semlar | i just want to know whether it still works |
| 00:39.29 | Predicate | Test it yourself :P |
| 00:39.34 | Semlar | i can't log in i literally just said that |
| 00:39.40 | Predicate | Well, fix that then. |
| 00:39.46 | Semlar | it's downloading a 2gb patch |
| 00:39.55 | Semlar | i have a 10mbps connection |
| 00:39.56 | Predicate | Still? |
| 00:40.00 | Semlar | IT JUST STARTED |
| 00:40.03 | Munk | I really do hope they keep the action cam. It has potential. |
| 00:40.06 | Predicate | You should get that looked at |
| 00:40.12 | nebula | JESUS SEMLAR, GET ON THIS SHIT |
| 00:40.15 | Semlar | NO |
| 00:40.20 | Munk | They made this change at least |
| 00:40.21 | Gnarfoz | just code your way out of it |
| 00:40.27 | Munk | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.32 | Munk | from |
| 00:40.33 | Semlar | YOU CAN'T JUST CODE YOUR WAY OUT OF EVERYTHING |
| 00:40.39 | Gnarfoz | I bet YOU can! |
| 00:40.42 | Munk | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.43 | Semlar | i might |
| 00:40.48 | Predicate | Code your way into someone else's wifi |
| 00:40.55 | Gnarfoz | been there, done that |
| 00:40.59 | Semlar | yeah i'm sure that would be faster |
| 00:41.09 | foxlit | bonus: if you start the client early, it assertion-crashes because some file isn't downloaded yet. |
| 00:41.22 | Munk | I can't reload again. Great. |
| 00:41.26 | foxlit | so very "PLAYABLE". |
| 00:41.29 | Gnarfoz | do artifact relics take 2 openings of the artifact window for anyone else to show up? |
| 00:41.43 | Predicate | Yep. Every time. |
| 00:41.47 | Gnarfoz | just checking |
| 00:41.48 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:43.10 | Gnarfoz | woah |
| 00:43.26 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: CooldownFrame_SetTimer go poof |
| 00:43.39 | Kesava | ... eh? |
| 00:43.45 | Semlar | tries to cool gnarfoz down |
| 00:43.45 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: https://haste.smb.wtf/hukahusonidokiberuzibacacusita |
| 00:44.34 | Kesava | oh right just that global |
| 00:44.35 | Predicate | Well that's one way to fix cooldowns. |
| 00:44.36 | Semlar | CooldownFrame_Set |
| 00:45.21 | Gnarfoz | Munk: btw, trade chat is filled with people posting "port to somewhere else" as a solution to what seems to be your camera problem. Might be unrelated to your actioncam shenanigans after all. |
| 00:45.22 | Semlar | they renamed it |
| 00:45.32 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: rude |
| 00:45.39 | Semlar | i bet it was guill |
| 00:45.45 | Semlar | he's always doing this to us |
| 00:45.52 | Gnarfoz | but I play on eu |
| 00:45.58 | Gnarfoz | ........... |
| 00:45.59 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 00:46.01 | Semlar | no gnarfoz |
| 00:46.03 | Munk | Yes, I figured it out. :) |
| 00:46.09 | Gnarfoz | (I actually don't because beta) |
| 00:46.16 | Munk | Action cam is still in and still works as it did before the patch. |
| 00:47.54 | Gnarfoz | good for actioneers like you |
| 00:48.50 | Gnarfoz | pfff they removed my shiny Naaru relic thing from my order hall! |
| 00:49.44 | Kesava | font rendering or something seems to have changed |
| 00:49.59 | Kesava | i'm pretty sure i had those fonts working. |
| 00:50.02 | Kesava | ... i don't know |
| 00:50.04 | Predicate | Hopefully they fixed the font setting issues. |
| 00:50.23 | Stanzilla | what did they rename |
| 00:50.26 | Semlar | i don't know i kind of liked it only picking one font and applying that to every font string |
| 00:50.33 | Gnarfoz | nice, 1 error per second from the Garrison Fubar |
| 00:50.50 | Predicate | Well, that's nice for people who have issues with consistency in their UI, at least. Maybe they should do the same with statusbar textures! |
| 00:50.55 | Semlar | Stanzilla: they renamed CooldownFrame_SetTimer to CooldownFrame_Set |
| 00:51.04 | Stanzilla | thx |
| 00:51.43 | Semlar | the main difference appears to be that it checks "if enable and enable ~= 0 and start > 0 and duration > 0" instead of just "if enable ~= 0" |
| 00:51.48 | Kesava | the memory could not be """read""" |
| 00:51.55 | Semlar | super quotes |
| 00:52.06 | Predicate | You don't want to know what they're /really/ doing to that memory. |
| 00:52.26 | Semlar | and it calls "self:Clear()" instead of "self:SetCooldown(0,0)" to clear a cooldown |
| 00:53.08 | Predicate | Ugh. Battle.net is awful at updating games you don't have. |
| 00:53.12 | Gnarfoz | well, no more new squires/knights for me |
| 00:53.41 | Gnarfoz | that seems like a solved task? "don't have? don't update" |
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| 00:54.14 | Predicate | That's the problem. My Battle.net is logged into an account without beta access, but I'm trying to patch my beta client which I log into directly. |
| 00:54.23 | Gnarfoz | good luck with that |
| 00:54.33 | Kesava | gonna go ahead and say that's your own fault |
| 00:54.35 | Predicate | It works, but I have to do some command-line voodoo. |
| 00:54.44 | Gnarfoz | you wanted command-line voodoo! |
| 00:55.53 | Predicate | No, I wanted documentation. This is "guess the argument". |
| 00:56.07 | Gnarfoz | docuwhat |
| 00:56.31 | Gnarfoz | cli arguments are not for bda users, so... yeah. tough luck. :P |
| 00:57.03 | Predicate | I disagree. There's even an option in the Battle.net settings to set command-line arguments to each game! |
| 00:57.14 | Gnarfoz | but those are options to the games |
| 00:57.19 | Gnarfoz | not options to the BDA itself |
| 00:57.41 | Predicate | Yes, I understand that. But my point is that they exist for users. |
| 00:57.46 | Gnarfoz | (also: curious why that option is there, considering the games' cli args are also not documented) |
| 00:57.52 | Semlar | aw the game crashed when i alt+f4'd |
| 00:58.00 | Gnarfoz | I don't have a second account to test, but I guess the "allow multiple instances" option doesn't also allow multiple accounts to be logged in? |
| 00:58.08 | Predicate | Some of them are sort of documented on forum posts and knowledgebase articles. |
| 00:58.16 | Munk | Anyone else having the /reload problem |
| 00:58.23 | Gnarfoz | I just don't use ammo. |
| 00:58.29 | Gnarfoz | swords don't need reloading! |
| 00:58.34 | Predicate | What is the /reload problem? |
| 00:58.39 | Munk | Crashes my client |
| 00:58.44 | Semlar | lol no |
| 00:58.45 | Gnarfoz | worked fine here |
| 00:58.53 | Predicate | You still haven't isolated that? |
| 00:59.02 | Munk | It was gone in the previous build but now it's back |
| 00:59.10 | Semlar | i'm sure it's one of your addons |
| 00:59.12 | Gnarfoz | I guess it doesn't support multiple accounts or you would be using that, Predicate? |
| 00:59.16 | Predicate | My money's on a font/texture/sound path you're setting being invalid. |
| 00:59.19 | Munk | It is. Disabling ConsolePort stops it |
| 00:59.45 | Munk | Invalid as in the font/texture doesn't exist? |
| 00:59.46 | Predicate | Gnarfoz: Dunno, never tried it. I mean, I could use separate wine prefixes to force that behavior if I wanted to, but I shouldn't need to! |
| 00:59.55 | Gnarfoz | uhm... yes, you should have to |
| 01:00.06 | Gnarfoz | ...use the option, I mean |
| 01:00.09 | Predicate | Munk: yeah, that triggered crash-on-reload before. |
| 01:00.40 | Predicate | Gnarfoz: well, I can still force the launcher to update my beta client without logging into the beta account, so I'm not about to make a new wine prefix :P |
| 01:00.52 | Gnarfoz | I meant the BDA option |
| 01:01.01 | Gnarfoz | but if that works, hooray I guess |
| 01:01.14 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: M2cache.cpp, yo |
| 01:01.25 | Predicate | Steam lets you see games you have installed but don't have purchased...Would be nice if Blizzard would do the same, is all. |
| 01:02.28 | Torhal | What would also be nice if is Blizzard would remove Overwatch from the OS X Bnet app. |
| 01:02.34 | Gnarfoz | bwahaha |
| 01:02.39 | Predicate | Awww |
| 01:02.47 | Predicate | That's just mean. |
| 01:02.47 | Gnarfoz | they should keep it, forever! |
| 01:02.51 | Torhal | :P |
| 01:02.55 | Gnarfoz | and show it on 32 bit windows |
| 01:03.03 | Gnarfoz | (I bet they do) |
| 01:03.08 | Munk | Is it possible to log wow client crashes |
| 01:03.18 | Predicate | Yes, they go to the Errors folder |
| 01:03.42 | Gnarfoz | if it wasn't, the crashreporter would be rather pointless |
| 01:04.20 | Predicate | Munk: do you know if the crash is reproducible with your current ConsolePort code freshly installed, or does it need some specific settings or code you're working on? |
| 01:04.33 | Munk | ERROR #126 (0x8510007e) A block of memory was allocated but never freed. |
| 01:04.33 | Munk | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.42 | Munk | Some kind of leak at least. |
| 01:04.59 | Gnarfoz | it go boom? :> |
| 01:05.04 | Predicate | I'd be willing to download it and isolate the crash for you, if you want. |
| 01:05.05 | Munk | The addon I'm running is very different from the one on WoWI, but it might also work to trigger the error. Haven't tried. |
| 01:05.27 | Munk | I'll give you the fresh version, sec |
| 01:06.23 | Munk | https://www.dropbox.com/s/wktj57ofe2rnpgc/ConsolePort-1.0.whatever.zip?dl=0 |
| 01:06.57 | Predicate | Thanks, I'll play around with it and see if I can figure out what's going on |
| 01:07.16 | Munk | I'm loading a crap ton of textures at least. But I think many people do that. |
| 01:08.59 | Predicate | Or maybe I won't. My beta client is crashing at the login screen. This will be fun. |
| 01:10.04 | Munk | It reloads during setup so you might not get passed that lol |
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| 01:11.50 | Gnarfoz | *past :O |
| 01:12.24 | Munk | I'm going to use the "English is not my first language" card at this point |
| 01:12.42 | Gnarfoz | same here! :D |
| 01:13.33 | Kesava | gah |
| 01:13.37 | Kesava | i keep getting logged out |
| 01:13.52 | Kesava | servers aren't crashing, it just instantly puts me back on the character select screen |
| 01:13.58 | Gnarfoz | some times when I see certain typos/mistakes/variants, I have to look things up to make sure I'm not going crazy and they're actually wrong and not just something I haven't encountered, yet |
| 01:14.09 | Munk | I don't think this will be a problem later on, but it's an annoyance to restart the client everytime you need to load new code. |
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| 01:18.47 | Simca | nevcairiel, foxlit, Semlar dunno if you heard but FileDataComplete is gone now |
| 01:18.53 | Simca | no more filenames |
| 01:18.55 | Predicate | RIP |
| 01:19.00 | Semlar | i was using that |
| 01:19.20 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: you gonna finish that? *chomp* |
| 01:19.27 | Semlar | i don't even know how i would put my map together without that file |
| 01:19.41 | Predicate | You'll find a way. You're Semlar. |
| 01:19.53 | Semlar | clearly there must be a way since the game does it |
| 01:20.09 | Semlar | i think i was just using that because i couldn't figure out how they did it |
| 01:20.48 | Semlar | so does that mean you can't use file paths at all to reference something |
| 01:21.20 | Simca | you can still use file paths with CASC, 'root' still has namehashes |
| 01:21.35 | Semlar | the map kind of relies on appending numbers to a base path to set the textures |
| 01:23.16 | [TOM_RUS] | those numbers are in db2, so? |
| 01:24.12 | Semlar | in game, the map is put together by stitching 12 textures with 1-12 in their filename |
| 01:24.23 | Semlar | if they took out the filenames, how would that work |
| 01:25.06 | Semlar | can you still use paths to set the textures? |
| 01:25.09 | Simca | the client hasn't known about filenames for anything outside of Interface\* for a long time |
| 01:25.36 | Simca | there must be another way semlar |
| 01:25.37 | [TOM_RUS] | there's still filenames in manifestinterfacedata.db2 |
| 01:25.45 | Simca | yes, for Interface\* only |
| 01:25.46 | Kesava | baaah |
| 01:25.56 | Kesava | anyone else just keep getting kicked to the character select screen? just me? |
| 01:26.11 | Simca | they only use that so people can do that super old console command to extract the UI files |
| 01:28.15 | Kesava | apparently it's the servers (i'm guessing individual shards or something) |
| 01:28.16 | Predicate | Shh, don't remind them we have that or they'll break it. |
| 01:28.17 | Kesava | good good. |
| 01:28.57 | Semlar | you can still set a texture to a file path though |
| 01:29.59 | Predicate | Progress. I can now log into the beta without dividing by zero! |
| 01:31.01 | Predicate | Munk: Can confirm your crash is reproducible. Out-of-bounds memory write. |
| 01:31.45 | Semlar | i logged in with my camera set way above me and it has nothing to do with using the action cam |
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| 01:32.12 | Munk | Going through a portal fixes it, but reloading does not. |
| 01:32.17 | Munk | Predicate: Great news! |
| 01:32.19 | Semlar | relogging fixed it |
| 01:32.57 | Munk | Come to think of it, reload does nothing except reload the interface so that makes sense. |
| 01:36.57 | Semlar | well, setting nameplates at their feet is apparently an actioncam setting so maybe that counts |
| 01:38.38 | Simca | Semlar: relevant to your interests so i'll mention it - Map.db2 gained a new short in this build |
| 01:39.03 | Semlar | do you know what it does |
| 01:40.55 | Semlar | is it at the end? |
| 01:43.14 | Simca | it's probably the last short |
| 01:43.28 | Semlar | foxlit's guessing thing doesn't identify any shorts |
| 01:43.53 | Simca | there are 7 |
| 01:43.59 | Simca | there were 6 before this |
| 01:44.06 | Semlar | DBFilesClient/Map.db2: 21 fields, siifffsssuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 01:45.00 | [TOM_RUS] | https://github.com/tomrus88/dbcviewer/blob/master/DBC%20Viewer/definitions/dblayout_21737.xml#L4763 |
| 01:45.40 | Simca | yeah idk what foxlit's guessing thing is on about |
| 01:46.21 | Semlar | it looks like it's treating the 2 and 1 byte entries as unsigned ints regardless |
| 01:46.45 | Simca | well the 7th one of those is what you're looking for then |
| 01:47.03 | Semlar | column 16 |
| 01:47.20 | [TOM_RUS] | https://github.com/tomrus88/dbcviewer/blob/master/DBC%20Viewer/definitions/dblayout_21796.xml#L4766 |
| 01:49.08 | Semlar | i have 0 for every entry so |
| 01:49.25 | Semlar | maybe it's not implemented yet |
| 01:50.00 | Predicate | Munk: It's the AnimationGroup in Frames\Utility.lua |
| 01:50.14 | Semlar | i could also not be counting right, lord knows i'm bad at math |
| 01:50.49 | Predicate | You can comment out that file in the toc as a workaround. I'm going to whip up a test case to report the crash to Blizz. |
| 01:53.32 | Munk | Predicate: Thanks a lot. I'm not really surprised it's related to animations. |
| 01:54.52 | Predicate | I have a hunch it's because you're messing with the group's parent in the OnFinished, but I'm still narrowing down the exact cause. I'll have a better workaround for you shortly. |
| 01:55.44 | Predicate | That said, your addon is pretty snazzy looking. Kudos on the shinies. |
| 01:55.55 | Munk | lol, thanks. |
| 02:01.39 | Munk | Btw, what are the new functions for setting up scale animations? |
| 02:01.52 | Munk | Used to be :SetChange with an offset, what now? |
| 02:02.54 | Torhal | Should be SetAlpha IIRC. |
| 02:03.07 | Stanzilla | SetToAlpha |
| 02:03.09 | Torhal | Ah |
| 02:04.54 | Munk | Dumped the metatable of one and it seems it's :SetToScale and :SetFromScale |
| 02:05.16 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 02:05.27 | Semlar | they aren't new though, they just removed SetChange |
| 02:05.49 | Stanzilla | SetToAlpha/Scale |
| 02:05.53 | Stanzilla | and SetFromAlpha/Scale |
| 02:07.25 | Munk | Predicate: That seems to be it. |
| 02:07.39 | Munk | I was using :SetScale, which still exists. |
| 02:08.12 | Predicate | Nope, I've isolated it much more simply than that. |
| 02:08.22 | Munk | Really? |
| 02:08.37 | Predicate | If you create an animation group with multiple animations, and then use :SetOrder() to change the order of those animations, it'll crash on reload. |
| 02:08.46 | Predicate | Your fix is simple: Create Scale before Fade. |
| 02:09.23 | Predicate | If the :SetOrder() doesn't actually re-order them, it won't crash. |
| 02:09.45 | Munk | Weird. I managed to reload just fine at first when I changed the scale animation. |
| 02:09.55 | Simca | wonder if that is the same bug behind foxlit and my discovery of a crash with :GetAnimations() |
| 02:10.13 | Semlar | calling SetOrder on a path animation just outright crashed the game for me |
| 02:11.57 | Predicate | Munk: Just tested to be sure, simply swapping lines 76 and 77 of Frames\Utility.lua resolved the crash for me. |
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| 02:12.09 | gre | hi |
| 02:12.18 | Kesava | soooo i just looted 27 blue 810 items from a random named mob in stormheim |
| 02:12.20 | Munk | Predicate: Yes, I did the same. Thanks for investigating :) |
| 02:12.30 | Munk | LOL |
| 02:12.37 | Predicate | Cheers, let me know if you find any other ones to debug. That was fun :D |
| 02:12.54 | Munk | Did you just outright comment shit out until it stopped breaking? |
| 02:13.16 | Semlar | Kesava: was it a loot goblin |
| 02:13.20 | Predicate | Well...yeah, more or less :P |
| 02:13.50 | Predicate | I targeted stuff we knew was involved in crashes, first. Fortunately I new animations were wonky right now. |
| 02:13.57 | Predicate | s/new/knew |
| 02:14.06 | Kesava | https://i.imgur.com/Fo7Yvgd.png ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 02:14.38 | Semlar | stop hacking kesava |
| 02:15.23 | Kesava | oh, one of the ones i can use is warforged |
| 02:15.44 | Kesava | the other guy here who also tagged it didn't seem to be suprised so um |
| 02:15.55 | Semlar | you took his loot didn't you |
| 02:16.22 | Semlar | wowhead has these items as epic |
| 02:16.38 | Semlar | http://legion.wowhead.com/item=141585/six-feather-fan&bonus=0 |
| 02:17.18 | Kesava | yeah i asked him, he didn't get anything |
| 02:17.23 | Semlar | i knew it |
| 02:17.25 | Kesava | ... i'll take it |
| 02:17.40 | Semlar | you're using loot hax |
| 02:18.27 | Kesava | mine has 890 agil, 818 haste, warforged+prismatic socket |
| 02:18.33 | mckenziemc | are you overburdened now? |
| 02:18.35 | Kesava | so that's weird |
| 02:19.00 | Kesava | i still have 16 slots actually |
| 02:20.01 | Kesava | i'm going to guess there's a chance to get loot and they managed to mess up the table so you just get everything if you roll it. |
| 02:20.22 | Kesava | #conjecture |
| 02:20.32 | Semlar | you win everything! |
| 02:23.26 | Munk | Contest: How long can you play with the tritanopia color filter on? |
| 02:24.56 | Ressy | Anyone notice anything odd with the camera? |
| 02:25.09 | Munk | Relog! |
| 02:25.10 | Semlar | only when i first logged in |
| 02:25.11 | Ressy | Camera's wayyyyy above my character suddenly, even if I try zooming in. |
| 02:25.14 | Ressy | ahhh |
| 02:25.53 | Ressy | Awesome. Thanks guys :) |
| 02:26.28 | Predicate | Munk: Posted the report on WoWI Legion bugs forum, in case you're interested. |
| 02:26.45 | Munk | In my thread? |
| 02:26.53 | Ressy | lmao. Scrolling through Toy Box.. Get to the last page, and it checks all sources. |
| 02:27.08 | Predicate | Made a new one, since your thread title doesn't draw attention. I'll post in that thread with a link to the solution if you like :) |
| 02:27.22 | Munk | My thread title was basically "Lua help pls" |
| 02:27.34 | Munk | Nah, just let it rot. |
| 02:27.35 | Semlar | "6 reasons why my game is broken" |
| 02:29.56 | Stanzilla | this will go well http://i.imgur.com/6ziPA9O.png |
| 02:32.19 | Stanzilla | urm ok http://i.imgur.com/eyPkP6Q.png |
| 02:32.32 | Stanzilla | that doesnt look shadow priesty |
| 02:33.10 | Predicate | I, too, like to sed dangerously. |
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| 02:36.11 | Munk | Does someone have a reliable state driver for actionpage swapping that perfectly mimicks what Blizzard does? |
| 02:53.40 | Semlar | tpain is streaming overwatch on twitch from a hotel room and it's laggy as hell |
| 02:55.30 | Stanzilla | thanks for the info |
| 02:56.07 | Semlar | the parts where he periodically takes hits off a bong and blows it into the camera are entertaining |
| 02:57.06 | Predicate | Don't be mean, Stanzilla, he's just saving us time. Now we don't have to go to the trouble of looking up what T-Pain is doing right now. |
| 02:57.19 | Kesava | i was just about to do that |
| 02:57.26 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.37 | Kesava | how fortuitous |
| 02:57.41 | Predicate | Semlar to the rescue. |
| 03:00.27 | nebula | damn, that is laggy |
| 03:01.02 | mckenziemc | i would've rather been uninformed |
| 03:01.05 | mckenziemc | is that ignorance? |
| 03:01.09 | Semlar | yse |
| 03:01.13 | Semlar | i mean yes |
| 03:05.07 | mckenziemc | darn |
| 03:08.49 | mckenziemc | markets Semlar as urushiol-free. |
| 03:09.18 | Parnic | i'm used to seeing textures as Interface\PlayerFrame\TextureName...does anybody know how to work with the atlas stuff if i want to draw the same icon? https://github.com/tomrus88/BlizzardInterfaceCode/blob/master/Interface/FrameXML/MageArcaneChargesBar.xml |
| 03:10.37 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn Cairennly |
| 03:10.43 | Semlar | i think it's just texture:SetAtlas('atlas') |
| 03:10.46 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 03:11.13 | Parnic | ah |
| 03:11.16 | Fisker | Today is a great day Cairenn |
| 03:11.28 | Cairenn | Glad it is for someone |
| 03:11.44 | Fisker | :( |
| 03:11.49 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 03:11.51 | Fisker | http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/05/26/jury-googles-use-of-oracles-java-apis-was-fair-use-oracle-loses-on-all-counts/ |
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| 03:12.42 | Parnic | fisker there are more people watching twitch streams of ocarina of time than battleborn. lol. |
| 03:12.50 | Fisker | :( |
| 03:12.52 | Parnic | also mario 2 |
| 03:12.56 | Parnic | fantastic |
| 03:13.06 | Parnic | bomb.jpg |
| 03:13.50 | Fisker | I slept 4 hours today |
| 03:14.31 | Munk | Is it possible to get distance to target? |
| 03:14.42 | Predicate | Roughly, but not exactly. |
| 03:14.43 | Parnic | Munk: I use LibRangeCheck for that |
| 03:16.21 | Fisker | Parnic do you have some dual GTX 1080's for me? |
| 03:16.26 | Parnic | no fisker |
| 03:16.31 | Fisker | man |
| 03:17.46 | Munk | What's the actual API call for getting the distance? Or how does it work? |
| 03:17.56 | Fisker | http://videocardz.com/60340/asus-rog-strix-geforce-gtx-1080-pictured |
| 03:18.32 | Predicate | It works by comparing spell ranges. |
| 03:19.02 | Predicate | LibRangeCheck has some docs if you want to use that, otherwise you'll have to re-implement a lot of its work. |
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| 03:20.17 | nebula | Munk: for group members you can use UnitDistanceSquared(player1, player2) or you can use something like what predicate is saying to get ranges based on IsSpellInRange and a list of class spells |
| 03:21.18 | Munk | I can't use spells from other classes, I guess?* |
| 03:21.32 | nebula | it's based on if you can cast it, so no :p |
| 03:21.42 | Predicate | Nope. A good chunk of that library is just keeping track of which class/spec/level has access to which spell for distances. |
| 03:22.32 | Munk | I was hoping to find a common denominator so I can base some mouse behaviour off it. But maybe that's impossible unless playing a melee class, in which case it's a bad idea. |
| 03:23.00 | mckenziemc | can you use toys to check? |
| 03:23.14 | nebula | probably? |
| 03:23.24 | nebula | but i assume you'd need to actually have it |
| 03:23.28 | mckenziemc | granted, the player |
| 03:23.28 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 03:32.21 | Semlar | librangecheck used to use various items to check their range |
| 03:32.30 | Semlar | it didn't require you to have them |
| 03:34.23 | Fisker | Parnic is great |
| 03:34.25 | Munk | https://i.gyazo.com/71fd9e59a0cda3901903af1b78022969.gif |
| 03:34.58 | Parnic | Semlar: any idea why Mage-ArcaneCharge-Rune would show up as a black square when i use SetAtlas on a texture? GetAtlas verifies that's what it's set to and GetAtlasInfo shows valid data for that string |
| 03:35.07 | Parnic | do i need to set vertex color, alpha, anything like that? |
| 03:35.35 | Semlar | you can try SetBlendMode('ADD') |
| 03:35.36 | Predicate | There's an addon called HardYards which claims it's "More accurate than any other AddOn" for range checking. It uses mostly toys. |
| 03:36.39 | Parnic | Semlar: no dice. i'll keep digging. |
| 03:37.09 | nebula | if only it was proper lib |
| 03:38.43 | nebula | maybe you don't need the toy for it to work |
| 03:39.29 | Munk | I'm trying out using IsItemInRange with a random Q item atm |
| 03:39.31 | Munk | Seems to work |
| 03:39.37 | nebula | yea |
| 03:41.56 | nebula | mitch0: get on that! :p (use toys instead of spells in LibRangeCheck) |
| 03:42.38 | Semlar | i thought librangecheck did use items |
| 03:42.45 | Munk | It does. |
| 03:42.47 | nebula | some, mostly bandages |
| 03:43.02 | nebula | oh, it does use all kinds |
| 03:43.26 | Semlar | you only need 1 item for each range |
| 03:43.32 | Munk | I used IsItemInRange(37727) which is a Ruby Acorn. And I'm in Stormheim. |
| 03:43.38 | Semlar | i think i generated a list once but can't remember how |
| 03:43.40 | Munk | *Highmountain |
| 03:43.57 | nebula | he has all the ranges that that other lib has any more |
| 03:44.00 | Semlar | it was from the dbc files |
| 03:44.03 | nebula | mitch0: nm, doing good |
| 03:44.12 | nebula | and more* |
| 03:45.33 | Munk | Now I have a spell, a right click and a loot button all built into one. Too bad we can't target dead mobs because that would be golden. |
| 03:46.05 | Munk | I mean, we can target them. But not with tab targeting or macrotext |
| 03:48.10 | Fisker | :< |
| 03:48.15 | Fisker | Parnic doesn't think he's great |
| 03:48.24 | Parnic | i'm workin fisker |
| 03:48.29 | Fisker | alright |
| 03:48.38 | Munk | Does anybody know why sticky targeting sometimes sticks to mobs after you kill them and sometimes not? |
| 03:49.05 | Simca | worst default setting in the history of the game |
| 03:51.56 | mckenziemc | disables Simca's lua errors. |
| 03:52.26 | Simca | i stand by my statement - sticky targeting is even worse than auto loot off |
| 03:52.41 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 03:57.13 | nebula | i've never had autoloot on |
| 03:57.29 | Predicate | What |
| 03:57.31 | nebula | always with a mod, rather |
| 03:57.45 | Predicate | For a second I thought you might be an alien. |
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| 03:57.54 | Semlar | maybe he just likes clicking |
| 03:58.08 | Semlar | did you ever try that loot speed cvar |
| 03:58.17 | Predicate | Oh, I should do that |
| 03:58.21 | mckenziemc | wait what? |
| 03:58.24 | Semlar | nothing |
| 03:58.29 | mckenziemc | D: |
| 03:58.44 | nebula | for looting bosses, it was always ffa then loot council told who to get what, was like that for three expansions |
| 03:58.54 | Predicate | I should go find Kesava's "drop all the things" mob and loot that with it :D |
| 03:59.16 | Semlar | kesava is just going to take all the loot again |
| 04:03.28 | Predicate | Semlar: I set it to 0 and it works just fine. Feels nice and snappy, really. FWIW I have ~30ms latency so that probably helps. |
| 04:03.57 | Predicate | A++, would set again. |
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| 04:11.42 | Stanzilla | Predicate: what did you set it to? |
| 04:12.35 | Predicate | 0 |
| 04:13.43 | Stanzilla | whats the name of the cvar again |
| 04:13.56 | Predicate | autoLootRate |
| 04:14.07 | Stanzilla | thx |
| 04:14.42 | Predicate | No idea if that will cause issues with higher latencies (maybe internal bag errors?) but let me know how it works for you. |
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| 04:55.02 | Munk | https://i.gyazo.com/98d327258288630f646ab7cfb6d0f4c3.gif |
| 05:02.23 | NodusCursorius | Nice! |
| 05:03.17 | Munk | Still feels dumb that I'm using a random quest item from WotLK to determine if the corpse is in range |
| 05:04.27 | Semlar | you can check if a corpse is in range to loot it |
| 05:04.30 | Semlar | how are you actually looting it |
| 05:05.47 | Munk | "[@playertarget,exists,harm,dead,nocombat] loot; [@playertarget,exists,harm,nodead] enemy; [@playertarget,exists,noharm,nodead] friend; nil" |
| 05:06.10 | Munk | and then I use override bindings in response to that |
| 05:06.25 | Munk | Still requires me to actually target the corpse |
| 05:06.35 | Semlar | but you don't need your mouse over it? |
| 05:06.40 | Munk | Nope. |
| 05:06.57 | Munk | this is for loot: self:SetBinding(true, key, "INTERACTTARGET") |
| 05:07.09 | Munk | this is for mouse over and no target: self:SetBinding(true, key, "TURNORACTION") |
| 05:07.29 | Munk | Forgot that I'm using this part too: [@mouseover,exists] hover; |
| 05:07.48 | Semlar | there's "INTERACTMOUSEOVER" too |
| 05:08.11 | Munk | Yep, but I like the simulated right click better |
| 05:08.38 | Munk | I don't remember exactly why, but I do remember that simulated right click behaves better in certain cases |
| 05:11.31 | Semlar | there's a function called HasLoot that i was playing around with for another addon i was thinking about writing which tells you whether you're in range of a GUID to loot |
| 05:11.43 | Semlar | as the second return |
| 05:12.54 | Semlar | i was planning on using it to track whether there are corpses you haven't looted |
| 05:12.55 | Munk | Doesn't exist on my client |
| 05:13.06 | Munk | Or is it called something else? |
| 05:13.41 | Semlar | it might be called something else |
| 05:14.27 | Munk | Would be great to have that because right now it says "Loot" even if the corpse is already looted |
| 05:16.00 | Semlar | yeah it told you whether it had loot and whether it was in range |
| 05:16.04 | Semlar | and i can't remember what it was called |
| 05:16.38 | Munk | Oh I remember why I chose not to use INTERACTMOUSEOVER. It tries to interact with shit that you're not mousing over. Like if you have a target, you cant use that binding to pick up something off the ground. |
| 05:16.54 | Munk | It defaults to InteractUnit if you have a target |
| 05:17.27 | Munk | At least I think so. :p |
| 05:17.48 | Munk | CanLootUnit? |
| 05:18.11 | Semlar | i think that was it |
| 05:18.24 | Munk | Message: [string "return CanLootUnit("target")"]:1: Usage: hasLoot, canLoot = CanLootUnit(unitGUID) |
| 05:18.42 | Munk | wat |
| 05:19.12 | Semlar | you just give it a unit guid |
| 05:19.13 | mckenziemc | loots Semlar's refrigerator |
| 05:19.26 | Munk | Is "target" not a unit GUID? |
| 05:19.30 | Semlar | no |
| 05:19.34 | Semlar | UnitGUID('target') |
| 05:19.34 | nebula | UnitGUID("target") |
| 05:19.40 | Munk | Oh |
| 05:20.16 | Semlar | you're as surprised as i am that this function exists because i only found it when i was making a list of every Unit function |
| 05:20.27 | Munk | It's not documented |
| 05:20.33 | Semlar | pfft |
| 05:20.40 | Munk | It's in the listing of wowprogramming, but undocumented. |
| 05:20.44 | Predicate | Hi, Munk, welcome to UI development. |
| 05:20.48 | Munk | lol |
| 05:22.06 | Semlar | i see my camera's broken again |
| 05:22.17 | Semlar | does it just do this every time you restart the client |
| 05:22.40 | Predicate | No, just every time you have impure thoughts. |
| 05:23.12 | Semlar | that can't be true |
| 05:23.43 | Semlar | it's not broken right now |
| 05:24.55 | Semlar | huh, startattack appears to only dismount you if you're within a certain range of a target |
| 05:25.05 | Predicate | Yeah, that's new though |
| 05:25.17 | Predicate | On live you have to actually be within melee range to get dismounted. |
| 05:25.18 | Semlar | i thought my macro wasn't working for a second |
| 05:25.33 | Torhal | types /startattack Semlar |
| 05:25.37 | Semlar | rude |
| 05:25.45 | Torhal | :/ |
| 05:25.48 | Predicate | My interact hotkey is my push-to-talk binding. I notice these things quickly. |
| 05:31.01 | Predicate | I'm sitting here watching Munk run up to dead things and target, untarget, target, untarget. I should report him for botting :D |
| 05:32.07 | Munk | :D |
| 05:32.32 | NodusCursorius | Munk, the visual side of your addon looks sharp and professional. A Playstation sort of quality. Well done, ol'boy. |
| 05:32.47 | Munk | Thanks for telling me about that function Semlar. https://i.gyazo.com/9826557e9d63ebd6f25ff725df94f994.gif |
| 05:33.07 | Munk | Thank you. :) |
| 05:33.10 | NodusCursorius | Oh, is this about undocumented API? I love this topic. This is my favourite topic. |
| 05:34.11 | Semlar | is predicate stalking people again |
| 05:34.13 | Torhal | I'm pretty sure if it were documented, the community wouldn't exist. |
| 05:34.19 | Munk | My code is a nightmare because the foundation of it stemmed from when I had no idea about the API or lua in general. I've pruned more than 1k lines in this version :( |
| 05:34.21 | Predicate | Do I ever not stalk people? |
| 05:34.58 | NodusCursorius | Munk, do you use the wow.gamepedia.com for your API now, or still within wowprogramming? |
| 05:35.11 | Predicate | Actually, I had my hearth set about 30 feet from where Munk is testing, and when he posted that first gif I recognized the mob names :P |
| 05:35.36 | Munk | Are you actually in the area? Haha |
| 05:36.55 | Munk | I use wowprogramming for my lookups because it's so plain |
| 05:38.03 | nebula | it's not really updated anymore :\ |
| 05:38.17 | Torhal | Not really, no. |
| 05:38.24 | Predicate | Yeah, it would be great if it weren't completely abandoned :/ |
| 05:39.32 | Munk | I guess it's common for devs to behave oddly in the game world |
| 05:39.48 | Semlar | anyone can update wowprogramming so |
| 05:40.02 | Torhal | Everyone seems to have migrated to wowpedia, though. |
| 05:40.29 | Predicate | Well, the wiki parts at least...I don't think we can update stuff like the widget listing |
| 05:41.47 | Predicate | Ugh, my nameplates are missing. Semlar, this is all your fault. |
| 05:41.55 | Semlar | that doesn't sound like me |
| 05:42.03 | nebula | i think jnwhiteh will run his update script if poked, he did for wod |
| 05:44.12 | Semlar | you can't just go around poking people |
| 05:44.24 | nebula | pokes Semlar |
| 05:44.28 | Semlar | D: |
| 05:44.43 | Torhal | That isn't a person, nebula. |
| 05:45.46 | mckenziemc | stabs Torhal. |
| 05:45.56 | Torhal | vivisects mckenziemc. |
| 05:49.39 | mckenziemc | ensures Torhal and a wall intersect. |
| 05:49.57 | Torhal | k |
| 05:53.01 | mckenziemc | http://www.wikihow.com/Kill-a-Creeper-in-Minecraft and good night |
| 05:56.14 | Munk | I wonder if they made any changes to the graphics engine this patch. I'm seeing some weird shit every now and then |
| 05:56.58 | Munk | My meta form has an infinite penis |
| 05:57.19 | Predicate | Yeah, stream-type graphical effects are getting stuck a lot. |
| 05:58.35 | Predicate | It's kind of a mess on shadow priests and affliction locks, right now. |
| 06:07.09 | Predicate | ~CM2Scene() Error : Scene Id 6 has unfreed models. |
| 06:07.15 | Predicate | Oh. I see. |
| 06:19.45 | NuSuey | hello everyone & good morning! |
| 06:20.20 | Predicate | nebula: Are you taking feature requests for BetterAddonList? |
| 06:24.01 | nebula | Predicate: sure, but i'm pretty terrible about updating things |
| 06:24.30 | nebula | most of the things people want for that are also way out of my giving a fuck scope |
| 06:24.54 | Torhal | I'm surprised you gave a fuck enough to make it to begin with. |
| 06:24.55 | Torhal | >.> |
| 06:24.55 | Torhal | <.< |
| 06:25.01 | Predicate | Well, if it strikes your fancy, I'd really like it if the Blizzard addons were listed as well, to make them easier to toggle. ACP does it, if that helps |
| 06:25.13 | nebula | the acp dialog was FUCKING HUGE |
| 06:25.17 | nebula | i couldn't take it anymore |
| 06:25.21 | Predicate | (But ACP doesn't let me enable/disable them, which makes it kinda pointless) |
| 06:25.58 | Torhal | Yeah, it was huge. |
| 06:26.02 | Torhal | And yeah, they're pointless. |
| 06:26.07 | nebula | it just manipulates what the default ui shows, which doesn't list blizzard stuff, suppose i could look to see where it's filtering them |
| 06:26.08 | Torhal | If you can't do anything with 'em, why show 'em? |
| 06:26.15 | nebula | you can force load them |
| 06:26.20 | Predicate | You have to hardcode a list of Blizzard addons by name. |
| 06:26.22 | Torhal | force-loads Semlar. |
| 06:26.29 | Predicate | And you can Enable/Disable them, or demand-load them. |
| 06:26.37 | NodusCursorius | Because it's an addon that deals with loading and unloading addons. Why wouldn't it display -all- addons? |
| 06:26.38 | Predicate | They're just not iterable. |
| 06:27.10 | nebula | i'm not opposed to it |
| 06:28.10 | Predicate | I realize it'd be kind of a maintenance headache when Blizzard adds new ones, but, it'd be a nice feature to have. |
| 06:29.55 | Predicate | Also, there are not nearly enough addon list addons out there. >_> |
| 06:30.45 | Semlar | how many do we really need |
| 06:31.36 | Predicate | Well, there used to always be like 10 knockoffs of MCP floating around. |
| 06:31.54 | Predicate | Now it seems like you use the Blizzard addon panel, or you use ACP. |
| 06:48.47 | nevcairiel | Simca: called it |
| 06:50.23 | Simca | yeah i agreed |
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| 07:18.58 | nevcairiel | mhm something odd happened to my camera after zoning into the druid order hall, it seems to focus a point a couple meters before and above my character, instead of focusing on my character like it used to |
| 07:20.01 | nevcairiel | happens again whenever i enter that area |
| 07:26.59 | Semlar | happens every time i restart the client |
| 07:27.20 | Semlar | until i relog |
| 07:27.58 | nevcairiel | i can temporarily fix it by shapeshifting, it seems to re-adjust it then |
| 07:29.55 | Semlar | i think they just screwed up the camera offset in the last patch |
| 07:30.14 | Semlar | i keep getting kicked back to the login screen every couple minutes though |
| 07:30.32 | nevcairiel | didnt happen to me just now |
| 07:32.41 | nevcairiel | i saw forum posts that there are disconnect issues, but i figured they may have fixed it already |
| 07:32.46 | Predicate | Haven't had that issue at all, but have heard people complaining about it. |
| 07:32.50 | Predicate | Might be a location issue |
| 07:35.01 | Semlar | it wasn't happening earlier and it doesn't seem to be doing it at the moment |
| 07:35.18 | Semlar | but i had it kick me back to the login screen with no message whatsoever a few times a little bit ago |
| 07:40.41 | Semlar | bah |
| 07:40.48 | Semlar | nevermind |
| 07:48.44 | Semlar | i don't like when the server disconnects me immediately after i do something with my addon because i'm never sure whether it caused it or not |
| 07:51.51 | Semlar | is there a proper way to return focus to another edit box when you hide one |
| 07:52.19 | Semlar | ah that might just be AutoFocus |
| 07:57.32 | Kesava | Semlar: do you know if there's a way to watch for frame level changes of... well, frames |
| 07:57.47 | Kesava | since i want to copy the base nameplate frame's frame level but i'm not parenting to it |
| 07:57.49 | Semlar | are you going to monitor the nameplates |
| 07:57.54 | Kesava | kind of |
| 07:58.11 | Semlar | i'm actually just parenting to the nameplates right now because they appear to have fixed or at least drastically improved the performance |
| 07:58.20 | Kesava | gasp |
| 07:58.30 | Semlar | so you might try that first |
| 07:59.01 | Semlar | and by nameplate i mean the base nameplate frame since i have their nameplate addon disabled |
| 07:59.42 | Semlar | i did notice that they control the frame levels correctly now based on distance from the camera so that's nice |
| 08:01.53 | Semlar | if you don't parent to the nameplate i think you may have to check the frame level onupdate or when one of them moves |
| 08:02.19 | Kesava | indeed |
| 08:02.43 | Semlar | which would be easy enough if you're still attaching frames to them and using OnSizeChanged to monitor their movements |
| 08:02.55 | Kesava | oh god parenting to the frame inherits its scaling stuff |
| 08:02.59 | Semlar | true |
| 08:03.09 | Semlar | there's a bunch of cvars i'm going to be setting by default |
| 08:03.19 | Semlar | there's seriously like 44 nameplate cvars |
| 08:03.47 | Semlar | mmm maybe 47 if you count the "vkey" ones |
| 08:04.31 | Semlar | you can keep it from changing the scale and the alpha by distance if you want |
| 08:05.10 | Semlar | just make sure nameplateMinScale and nameplateMaxScale are set to 1 |
| 08:08.10 | Kesava | still does the shrinky animation when they hide, is there one for that? |
| 08:08.20 | Semlar | not that i know of |
| 08:08.24 | Kesava | bah |
| 08:08.26 | Semlar | i think that's built into the nameplate frame |
| 08:08.51 | Semlar | it doesn't bother me at the moment |
| 08:10.13 | Semlar | there are a couple things you can set through C_NamePlate functions and i'm not sure if they just set the cvar equivalent for you or function independently |
| 08:11.39 | Semlar | maybe they don't have precise cvar equivalents |
| 08:12.49 | Semlar | like there's C_NamePlate.SetTargetClampingInsets, and a few different cvars like "nameplateOtherTopInset", but none of them mention "target" specifically |
| 08:13.50 | Semlar | i thought about clamping all of the nameplates to a limited area around the center of the screen but that might not work very well if i can't also put something above their heads |
| 08:14.29 | Kesava | i can imagine that would get messy |
| 08:15.14 | Semlar | hopefully i can cover my screen with enough ui elements that i can't actually see the worldframe |
| 08:16.56 | Kesava | a venerable goal |
| 08:17.39 | Semlar | if i'm standing in something i can just make an addon that tells me where to move |
| 08:17.59 | Semlar | oh wait i might have some difficulty navigating |
| 08:18.17 | Kesava | take taxis and /follow people |
| 08:18.36 | Kesava | with macros |
| 08:18.41 | Semlar | FollowUnit is somehow not a protected function |
| 08:18.48 | Semlar | so actually you could automatically do that |
| 08:18.53 | Semlar | oh my god |
| 08:18.59 | Semlar | with nameplates that could be amazing |
| 08:19.02 | Kesava | oh no |
| 08:19.08 | Semlar | YOU COULD USE THE NAMEPLATE UNITS |
| 08:19.31 | Semlar | brilliant! |
| 08:19.43 | Kesava | you'll be not-playing the game in no time |
| 08:19.50 | Semlar | it's what i do best |
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| 09:15.05 | VIad | I've encountered some insta death zones in Suramar, down the spider cave with the elite world quests. |
| 09:16.10 | VIad | The camera center moves up some yards, indicating there is a death zone floating above what ever area I entered. Kind of scary. I wonder why its there. |
| 09:17.45 | nevcairiel | the camera is just buggy in this build, unless the zone actually killed you, i wouldnt take it as an indication of anything |
| 09:18.30 | VIad | it's like if you jump off the map into the void |
| 09:18.50 | VIad | you hear "that sound", camera locks floating at the kill zone while your corpse keeps falling |
| 09:19.13 | VIad | it's like there is a sudden death zone 10 yards above the floor in specific sections |
| 09:19.28 | nevcairiel | but the camera going a few yards above your character happens in all sorts of random places where it didnt happen before in this build, so its a more logical conclusion that the camera has issues |
| 09:19.37 | VIad | I havent had that issue tbh |
| 09:19.43 | VIad | might it be actioncam related? |
| 09:20.05 | VIad | try /console ActionCam off |
| 09:20.10 | VIad | see if that does anyting |
| 09:20.28 | VIad | default value for it is "default" and if you want to be cool "full" :p |
| 09:20.41 | nevcairiel | its not the action camera, its just a bug |
| 09:21.00 | VIad | one weird thing I have experienced since for ever |
| 09:21.01 | nevcairiel | you know its beta, bugs happen |
| 09:21.09 | VIad | sometimes when I zone I see the druid balance effect on my character |
| 09:21.11 | VIad | moon/sun |
| 09:21.22 | VIad | but regardless of my class :p |
| 09:21.32 | VIad | no clue why that keeps happening several expansions later |
| 09:21.43 | nevcairiel | if you're a nightelf thats the day/night cycle change |
| 09:21.49 | VIad | hmm |
| 09:21.58 | nevcairiel | it changes your racial buff |
| 09:22.06 | nevcairiel | it sometimes bugs out when zoning between instances |
| 09:22.13 | Semlar | realm first archimonde |
| 09:22.16 | VIad | aha. that might be why. |
| 09:22.28 | VIad | what changes about the racial? lol never really cared to figure out :p |
| 09:22.33 | VIad | I thought it just gave me 1% dodge |
| 09:22.46 | nevcairiel | its 1% crit during the day and 1% haste during the night |
| 09:22.47 | Semlar | crit |
| 09:23.21 | nevcairiel | was the same issue in the WoD beta, but it was fixed on live |
| 09:23.29 | nevcairiel | no idea if some instances on beta just have timezone issues or something |
| 09:23.47 | VIad | if it happens, happens between zoning for me |
| 09:23.55 | VIad | I guess it is supposed to happen AT the day/night shift |
| 09:23.58 | VIad | at 6pm/am? |
| 09:24.02 | nevcairiel | 6:30 |
| 09:24.14 | VIad | you know a lot about that passive |
| 09:24.20 | VIad | I guess its important for raiding? :p |
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| 09:24.30 | VIad | kill the boss before we loose the crit buff |
| 09:24.40 | nevcairiel | its really not hard to figure out that your character animates at 6:30 every day when you play a nightelf main |
| 09:24.59 | VIad | I haven't played my nightelf tank since early mop :( |
| 09:25.10 | VIad | playing DH so probably why I noticed the effect again |
| 09:25.26 | Semlar | y'all are playin the wrong faction |
| 09:25.45 | VIad | faction don't matter |
| 09:25.53 | VIad | only where your friends play :p |
| 09:26.15 | VIad | and since gold is faction/realm locked it means you probably stick to one faction/realm group |
| 09:26.32 | nevcairiel | Semlar plays a fat panda, its like the neutral race |
| 09:26.43 | Semlar | it wouldn't let me not pick a faction when i made one on the ptr |
| 09:26.45 | VIad | like sweden then |
| 09:26.56 | Semlar | i just wanted a level 100 neutral panda |
| 09:27.04 | nevcairiel | gotta work for that like that other guy |
| 09:27.06 | Semlar | oh wait no, i wouldn't get any portals |
| 09:27.07 | VIad | you had some people exploit out of pandaria, or just level in pandaria |
| 09:27.29 | Semlar | if i was neutral i would have had a hell of a time getting anywhere |
| 09:27.31 | VIad | I remember some did dungeons, mnaged to get ported out of the start area, were neutral with both factions |
| 09:27.40 | VIad | well neutral means you can talk to all the npcs right? |
| 09:27.44 | VIad | taxi probably just requires neutral |
| 09:28.04 | nevcairiel | you dont get a chance either way |
| 09:28.10 | nevcairiel | neutral pandas cant leave the wandering isle |
| 09:28.17 | VIad | long ago they could |
| 09:28.20 | VIad | get teleported out |
| 09:28.29 | VIad | by exploiting some mechanics |
| 09:28.47 | VIad | when blizz fixed it they stopped their fun :p |
| 09:29.10 | VIad | this was pre that guy leveling to max in the start zone |
| 09:30.01 | VIad | seems you could zen pilgrimage out of the zrea at level 20 as monk for example |
| 09:30.03 | VIad | before they fixed it |
| 09:30.28 | VIad | once you had enough neutrals you could make a guild, summon each other, e.g. |
| 09:30.41 | VIad | was a legit 3rd faction, it kind of still is, just not really usable outside the start area :p |
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| 09:32.01 | VIad | I wonder though if it would work if you could trigger it to port you to westfall |
| 09:32.12 | VIad | you know those rare cases when you die and spawn at the westfall GY :p |
| 09:32.22 | VIad | but unsure if that can work if its based on faction |
| 10:08.37 | Kesava | remember omen? |
| 10:08.42 | Kesava | i like how that addon lasted 2 days |
| 10:09.21 | nevcairiel | 2 days? |
| 10:10.05 | Kesava | i remember it being this huge thing for 2.3/2.4 and it just kept being changed |
| 10:10.27 | Kesava | i don't know exactly, i didn't really know what i was doing back then. |
| 10:10.48 | nevcairiel | it used to be huge before Wrath because threat was still a real issue, and the game didnt track threat for you (or well, it didnt tell you) |
| 10:11.33 | Semlar | that's why i played a hunter, so i could just FD and watch the boss kill the warlock |
| 10:12.03 | NodusCursorius | It's why I played Shaman. Reincarnate is really just a clever threat-dump. |
| 10:12.08 | Kesava | passed 90% of [yourown] threat! |
| 10:12.09 | nevcairiel | in wrath they added the threat APIs, so much of what made Omen was suddenly unnecessary, and it just became a boring display of the game-provided threat values |
| 10:12.34 | Semlar | and then they made threat a complete non-issue |
| 10:12.48 | Semlar | and also made tanks outdamage the dps |
| 10:13.02 | NodusCursorius | MMoba |
| 10:13.11 | Kesava | yeah it had all these extra display modes or something, which for some reason i thought was cool, but then they were all removed and it just turned into another threat bar addon |
| 10:14.37 | Semlar | omen was one of the only threat addons though |
| 10:15.24 | Semlar | it had to hard code ability threat modifiers and track your damage and stuff |
| 10:15.45 | Kesava | yees, i remember them being based on damage |
| 10:16.22 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it had to use comms because you couldn't track everything you needed to from the combat log |
| 10:16.41 | Kesava | yup, short range combat log. didn't used to be everything in sight |
| 10:17.08 | Kesava | wasn't bc great |
| 10:17.08 | Semlar | i don't think you could attribute certain things to who cast them, either |
| 10:17.15 | Semlar | i liked bc |
| 10:18.09 | nevcairiel | 2.4 added the new combatlog that we still have today, that made everything possible |
| 10:18.16 | nevcairiel | before that we just had ..strings |
| 10:18.22 | Kesava | oh yeah |
| 10:18.32 | Kesava | well it still feels new to me |
| 10:18.34 | nevcairiel | omen and the like tried to parse those strings to get such data |
| 10:18.42 | nevcairiel | but it was hard |
| 10:19.22 | Semlar | i made my first addon in bc |
| 10:20.12 | Semlar | it tracked the duration of my ice trap |
| 10:21.34 | Semlar | sort of, you couldn't really get whose trap went off, so it basically tracked anyone's ice trap |
| 10:22.05 | Semlar | not that that was normally an issue |
| 10:30.48 | Kesava | Semlar: distance isn't available to nameplate units, right? |
| 10:31.01 | Kesava | i assume you've tried all sorts of thins |
| 10:31.03 | Kesava | g |
| 10:32.16 | Kesava | right, distance is only on group members etc |
| 10:32.30 | Semlar | not exact distance |
| 10:32.30 | Kesava | but since the nameplate frame is faded by distance couuuldn't we use that |
| 10:32.47 | Semlar | i tried, it's based on its distance from the camera |
| 10:32.51 | Kesava | ah |
| 10:32.59 | Semlar | which is relatively useless for us |
| 10:33.29 | Semlar | you can still test the range to the units using the same technique as addons like Hard Yards |
| 10:33.42 | Kesava | right |
| 10:39.00 | VIad | playing hunter was awesome, FD, no threat issues. vanilla was great for hunters. poor mages. :( |
| 10:39.13 | Semlar | i mean theoretically you could maybe calculate it by triangulating the camera's position based on known points but i wouldn't recommend it |
| 10:40.29 | nevcairiel | hunters pulled aggro from just auto-attack if they didnt FD though, and at end-game raiding you still had to pace yourself otherwise FD cooldown wouldnt be enough |
| 10:40.30 | VIad | I am still annoyed that the arrow can't be nice 3d since we dont have a z-coordinate provided :( |
| 10:40.46 | VIad | yes, but still better than not having any threat dump at all :d |
| 10:41.01 | Semlar | yeah and FD was permanent |
| 10:41.24 | VIad | vanilla was so hardcore, if you FD and let it expire, you died |
| 10:41.37 | Semlar | also i feel like FD worked faster in BC than it did later |
| 10:41.52 | Semlar | like they added a check to it or something that added a delay |
| 10:42.29 | VIad | imo FD was a bit iffy, like if you FD and get out of it too fast, it didnt drop the threat :/ |
| 10:42.31 | Semlar | i used to use it in battlegrounds and it was the instant you hit the button the person stopped targeting you, canceled their spell, whatever |
| 10:42.57 | Semlar | yeah now it can fail if you move too soon, which never would have happened before |
| 10:44.07 | Semlar | i remember being able to move before i even finished the falling animation |
| 10:44.46 | VIad | tbh if server detects the spell, threat should drop at once |
| 10:44.58 | nevcairiel | seems sensible to delay it a bit, if you dont even hit the ground, how is the mob to know you died |
| 10:45.00 | VIad | if you get the CD, it should have worked, unless like vanilla, someone resisted it :p |
| 10:45.23 | Semlar | falling to the ground is a dps loss! |
| 10:45.37 | nevcairiel | so is death from mob slamming your face into the ground |
| 10:45.53 | VIad | deterrence |
| 10:46.38 | VIad | I remember vanilla was hardcore. if a boss fight starts, everyone in the instance is in combat |
| 10:46.52 | VIad | and the boss teleports anyone >10 yards in front of them, killing the raid one by one :p |
| 10:47.01 | nevcairiel | you remember wrong |
| 10:47.03 | VIad | AQ40 memories, someone pull boss, everyone starts dying one by one |
| 10:47.14 | VIad | they had a pretty aggresive teleporting spell :p |
| 10:47.19 | VIad | instead of evade, they TPed you |
| 10:47.29 | Semlar | nah everyone didn't get put into combat because it used to be a strategy to keep people out of combat for certain fights |
| 10:47.34 | nevcairiel | in vanilla you didnt get in combat when someone pulled the boss, so you had otherwise useless paladins at a distance to the group resurrecting people that died |
| 10:47.41 | VIad | wasn't like that with ouro fight |
| 10:47.49 | Semlar | also i could FD during a boss fight and actually get out of combat to drink |
| 10:48.25 | VIad | I remember because we had a lot of getting TP and dying in AQ when people aggroed ouro |
| 10:48.56 | nevcairiel | AQ was pretty late in vanilla, dont remember when that actually changed |
| 10:49.02 | nevcairiel | but early days you had ooc ressers |
| 10:49.04 | nevcairiel | which was kinda silly |
| 10:49.09 | VIad | ofc |
| 10:49.13 | VIad | pre bwl |
| 10:49.18 | VIad | things were definetly like that |
| 10:49.26 | VIad | at some point bosses started to put all in combat from the start and such |
| 10:49.33 | VIad | and use teleport spells instead of evading |
| 10:49.42 | VIad | to avoid kiting |
| 10:50.18 | Semlar | they didn't add the thing that actually put every raid member in combat until a lot later |
| 10:50.36 | VIad | I raided from mc to nax so memories blur together |
| 10:50.40 | VIad | I just remember some things :p |
| 10:50.44 | Semlar | bosses could teleport people who were outside of their rooms or something but the combat thing was like expansions later |
| 10:51.20 | Semlar | i remember being miffed that i couldn't drop combat with FD any more |
| 10:53.38 | Semlar | i barely played in vanilla so i don't know what raiding was like |
| 10:54.07 | Semlar | i think i did AQ40 as a healer a few times |
| 10:56.20 | Semlar | enough to know that 40 man raiding kind of sucked |
| 10:56.41 | VIad | tbh it got a lot better later than earlier |
| 10:56.51 | VIad | nax was the pinnacle :p |
| 10:57.09 | VIad | maybe even a bit too hard for its time, considering how few actually managed to complete it before tbc |
| 10:57.27 | VIad | think the real stomper were the horsemen |
| 10:58.45 | nevcairiel | thats of course the reason why they recycled naxx, very few people actually did any of it and even less completed it fully |
| 11:16.17 | VIad | most likely yes :d |
| 11:16.26 | VIad | though it became easier(?) |
| 11:16.41 | VIad | probably something to do with the old strat kind of being reused, but not quite(?) |
| 11:16.44 | VIad | for the horsemen that is |
| 11:20.31 | VIad | I remember we did the horsemen with much less struggle |
| 11:22.42 | Gnarfoz | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=825394 systemd *smh* |
| 11:23.53 | VIad | I don't use debian, but isn't there a way to specifically elevate and start a background task to circumvent this user process limit/killing? |
| 11:24.22 | Gnarfoz | if you read the bug, you'll see the answer to that is yes |
| 11:24.27 | Gnarfoz | and it's not Debian related at all |
| 11:24.40 | nevcairiel | and you'll also see that systemd kills processes started like that anyway =p |
| 11:25.10 | Gnarfoz | it's systemd devs being jerks because they like to change things that have worked for decades |
| 11:26.23 | VIad | assumed it was debian related :p |
| 11:26.26 | VIad | based on the urlø |
| 11:27.16 | Gnarfoz | well, the reporter probably went there because a) debian can do something about it and b) he knows talking to systemd devs is pointless |
| 11:28.06 | VIad | is systemd one of the modules for linux? |
| 11:29.24 | nevcairiel | systemd wants to take over everything that happens on linux, its no surprise they want to replace the trusted nohup/screen/tmux tools with their own weird way of doing things as well |
| 11:30.10 | VIad | the kernel comes before systemd and they arent touching that I hope? |
| 11:31.08 | Gnarfoz | systemd is a program |
| 11:31.20 | Gnarfoz | (at least for now!) |
| 11:31.44 | VIad | kerneld |
| 11:32.40 | Gnarfoz | systemd-kernel |
| 11:32.45 | Gnarfoz | bound to happen sooner or later |
| 11:33.02 | Gnarfoz | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bZId5j2jREQ/U-vlysklvCI/AAAAAAAACrA/B4JggkVJi38/w426-h284/bd0fb252416206158627fb0b1bff9b4779dca13f.gif doesn't get old |
| 11:33.24 | VIad | :d |
| 11:36.35 | VIad | you know how i++ adds one |
| 11:36.44 | VIad | we need to be able to i++++++ to add 3 |
| 11:36.47 | VIad | would save so much time |
| 11:36.57 | VIad | and just keep adding if you want ot keep going up |
| 11:37.03 | VIad | hope systemd implements that |
| 11:37.17 | Gnarfoz | systemd-math |
| 11:38.30 | VIad | revolutionary way to save time |
| 11:40.49 | Gnarfoz | that sounds more like Apple |
| 11:40.57 | Phixion | I like systemd |
| 11:49.33 | VIad | knife fight? |
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| 11:50.50 | VIad | I wish I could do things without storing them in lua |
| 11:51.04 | VIad | a > 0 and call(); |
| 11:52.05 | VIad | adding if ... then end makes it work |
| 11:52.10 | VIad | but... but... |
| 11:53.15 | Gnarfoz | uhm what |
| 11:53.42 | VIad | to use and/or you need "if" or to assign it somewhere |
| 11:53.58 | VIad | local a = x > 0 and call() -- works, stores the bool or what ever in a |
| 11:54.14 | VIad | just "x > 0 and call()" fails, it needs a "if" or assignment |
| 11:54.42 | Gnarfoz | and... why don't you use if? |
| 11:54.52 | Gnarfoz | considering that's what it's there for |
| 11:55.02 | VIad | you can make it shorter :p |
| 11:57.00 | Gnarfoz | that is the worst reason |
| 11:57.22 | VIad | "local a = # if a > 0 and a < 10 then call() end" -> "a>0 and a<10 and call()" |
| 11:57.49 | VIad | the result would disappear in the void of course |
| 11:58.17 | VIad | tbh not sure what this is called. the requirement to have to assign return data when working with logic |
| 11:59.48 | Gnarfoz | how is "if a > anything then something end" an assignment |
| 12:00.28 | VIad | jupp, thats how you got to do it in lua |
| 12:00.37 | VIad | there is no shorter method availble |
| 12:01.06 | Gnarfoz | why would there be |
| 12:01.10 | Gnarfoz | or need to be |
| 12:01.20 | Gnarfoz | and you didn't answer my question :P |
| 12:01.35 | VIad | if you drop the "if" way |
| 12:01.43 | VIad | you need to local x = a > 0 and call() |
| 12:01.45 | VIad | and that works too |
| 12:02.02 | Gnarfoz | ??? |
| 12:02.31 | VIad | ? |
| 12:02.35 | Gnarfoz | if X then Y end |
| 12:02.41 | Gnarfoz | what is not optimal about this |
| 12:03.11 | VIad | not saying it isnt optimal, just longer to write :p |
| 12:03.52 | VIad | syntax wise, why can't I just write "a > 0 and call()" and end it there |
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| 12:04.36 | nevcairiel | Because that's not how the Syntax works, if you invent your own language you can make it do that :p |
| 12:04.38 | VIad | only difference between that and having "local x =" in front is that I store the returned result or not |
| 12:04.43 | VIad | I know |
| 12:04.45 | Gnarfoz | X and call1() call2() call3-thats-not-actually-conditional()? |
| 12:05.03 | Gnarfoz | how would it tell where your "then" block ends |
| 12:05.09 | VIad | ; |
| 12:05.16 | VIad | could actually have a use for that :o |
| 12:05.26 | Gnarfoz | ; is not mandatory and hence: that wouldn't work |
| 12:05.48 | VIad | but nevcairiel, is there a syntax issue if such was allowed? or it goes against how they designed the language to be used? |
| 12:06.15 | Gnarfoz | that's just a weird way to phrase "is the syntax really how it is?" |
| 12:06.26 | VIad | lua can't work with logic operators without having them either in "if" or returned into a variable, not sure what that specific thing is called though |
| 12:06.42 | VIad | it works on some languages, and not on others |
| 12:06.48 | VIad | probably has a name |
| 12:07.07 | VIad | something fancylike "strict variable assignment operators" |
| 12:07.14 | Gnarfoz | it "can't work with it" because that's not Lua's syntax |
| 12:10.15 | VIad | the reason for lack of using logic operations without assignment is probably somewhere in the documents, just finding it is difficult |
| 12:10.42 | VIad | probably boils down to just how they designed the syntax to reduce clutter or hard to read statements, and not a technical issue |
| 12:17.06 | nevcairiel | its like writing a line that just says "42", alone it just doesnt make sense because its a value |
| 12:17.15 | nevcairiel | but you can write "if 42" or "a = 42" |
| 12:19.37 | VIad | jupp |
| 12:20.04 | VIad | in js you can just write 42; |
| 12:20.43 | VIad | probably goes into the void |
| 12:23.05 | Kesava | google is still wrong about 42 |
| 12:23.48 | Kesava | it is not the answer to life the universe and everything, it is the answer to the ultimate question OF life the universe and everything |
| 12:23.50 | Kesava | very different. |
| 12:27.00 | VIad | if you asked google it would probably be dog or cat related |
| 12:28.46 | VIad | remember I saw some horrific images that it thought it was seeing that it made based on googlei mages |
| 12:28.50 | VIad | can't remember where that ws :p |
| 12:29.05 | VIad | typing when it lags is hard, some letters get in the wrong positions :( |
| 12:29.39 | Gnarfoz | that's your fingers lagging, not your connection |
| 12:30.42 | VIad | I connect home via vpn and remote desktop :d |
| 12:30.53 | VIad | so I have access to personal mail, files, etc. |
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| 12:38.17 | VIad | I was thinking of a map addon to translate the icons shown in the zones, but to appear if you zoom up levels, like on the continent |
| 12:38.26 | VIad | why isnt hat actually part of the default game map? |
| 12:38.45 | VIad | you have to click around the various zones and see what is available on the map |
| 12:39.19 | VIad | only issue I am worried about is if you need to update stuff, I hope I dont HAVE to set the map, before the API returns data related to that map :/ |
| 12:45.29 | Gnarfoz | you're dealing with the map, prepare for pain |
| 12:45.57 | VIad | ikr |
| 12:46.04 | VIad | also I hate creating ripples |
| 12:46.25 | VIad | changing map and such, however little, causes ripples in other addons and shits starts to build up |
| 12:46.37 | VIad | maybe I could just parse the icons without changing the map |
| 12:46.44 | VIad | hopefully the api isnt like the quest log api :/ |
| 12:46.56 | VIad | I hate api that requires me to set to a zone, quest, before other api return valid data |
| 12:47.58 | Gnarfoz | you'd think that their shiny new zoomable and pannable map would do this |
| 12:48.06 | Gnarfoz | maybe it's planned for later... one can only hope |
| 12:48.14 | VIad | the map is getting updates |
| 12:48.31 | VIad | its too early to say how much they will change it |
| 12:48.41 | VIad | it wasnt until recently they updated the tax map in legion |
| 12:49.06 | VIad | might even make it useful. everyone opens the map, looks for quests, finds the node, then goes to the taxi map to click it |
| 12:49.13 | VIad | merging taxi and world maps would be ideal |
| 12:49.23 | Gnarfoz | early? it's 2 months until prepatch time, I doubt there's still features left out of the beta builds that are supposed to be in 7.0 |
| 12:49.25 | VIad | so far they have at least a smarter taxi map, still lacks some of the map information though |
| 12:49.33 | VIad | don' |
| 12:49.38 | VIad | don't say that, it's scary to think :p |
| 12:49.49 | VIad | game is horribly buggy atm in beta |
| 12:49.56 | Gnarfoz | I know |
| 12:50.03 | VIad | they got 2 months to fix this, 3 if you consider the downtime between beta and live |
| 12:50.18 | VIad | thats why I hope they got a better internal build working |
| 12:50.22 | Gnarfoz | well, horrible is relative. yesterday's build is certainly more terrible than the one before it |
| 12:50.43 | Gnarfoz | where do you get that extra month from? |
| 12:50.56 | VIad | in 2 months it's end of july |
| 12:51.00 | Gnarfoz | there hasn't been an extra release day patch for a while now |
| 12:51.02 | VIad | game comes out end of august right? |
| 12:51.13 | VIad | beta goes probably offline early august I guess |
| 12:51.19 | Gnarfoz | how is that related |
| 12:51.29 | nevcairiel | beta typically runs closer to a week before release or so |
| 12:51.29 | Gnarfoz | prepatch is the goal the have to aim for |
| 12:51.31 | VIad | they got 3 months before legion goes live |
| 12:51.49 | VIad | well not if the world map features are only limited to legion at 110 |
| 12:51.50 | Gnarfoz | yeah, but they're not patching on August 30 |
| 12:51.59 | VIad | the taxi map for example only changed in legion, not the older maps |
| 12:52.18 | nevcairiel | the prepatch wont be what legion goes live with though, there will be intermediate patches |
| 12:52.23 | nevcairiel | just not on august 30 if they can avoid it |
| 12:52.44 | Gnarfoz | I'll believe that when I see it |
| 12:52.48 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 12:53.06 | VIad | its often that they patch to 7.0 but then supply additional hotfixed until legion actually goes live and unlocks for everyone |
| 12:53.12 | Gnarfoz | maybe bugfixes/stability/polish, but not "oh hey, new map features" ^^ |
| 12:53.21 | nevcairiel | of course not that |
| 12:53.25 | nevcairiel | fixes only |
| 12:53.28 | Gnarfoz | that's what we were talking about, though |
| 12:53.38 | Gnarfoz | stuff that might not be in yet because "it's early" |
| 12:53.44 | Gnarfoz | (it's not! :D) |
| 12:53.44 | nevcairiel | its not easy to figure out what VIad is talking about at any given point in time |
| 12:53.56 | Gnarfoz | granted |
| 12:53.57 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 12:54.29 | nevcairiel | also, i dont find yesterdays build any worse really |
| 12:54.40 | nevcairiel | other then the stabilitiy issues at first, but that was presumably server side |
| 12:58.17 | VIad | one change I noticed is that dropdowns close if you change your target, while on live the dropdown stays open :p |
| 12:58.29 | VIad | unsure how I can control that, maybe legion added an option when defining the dropdown |
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| 13:01.50 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: well, if they fixed the constant being thrown back to login already, then I guess it might be same/better |
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| 13:07.05 | VIad | I get kicked out often too |
| 13:14.44 | Kesava | I THINK that kicking thing is to do with the phasing thing. they changed either purposefully or accidentally so that instead of phasing into an empty world, you get kicked |
| 13:14.51 | Kesava | more #conjecture |
| 13:15.39 | Infus | Semlar: the script you provided works nicely, I can paste 100k into a editbox and it doesn't freeze |
| 13:16.04 | Infus | that is into the WA import edit box |
| 13:19.31 | Gnarfoz | Infus: hax |
| 13:27.37 | foxlit | Simca: nevcairiel, foxlit, Semlar dunno if you heard but FileDataComplete is gone now << Awesome! |
| 13:27.58 | foxlit | Now if they start using random values for namehash keys for new content, we'll never hear someone complain about internal filename typos again. |
| 13:28.48 | VIad | when did it pass away? :( |
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| 13:32.16 | Infus | Semlar: https://git.io/vryy7 is my adaption for WA, feels like a gigantic improvement |
| 13:37.09 | VIad | gj Semlar |
| 13:37.13 | VIad | nice improvement |
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| 13:45.07 | Simca | <foxlit> Now if they start using random values for namehash keys for new content, we'll never hear someone complain about internal filename typos again. |
| 13:45.17 | Simca | tbh this is probably part of the reason they moved away from filenames |
| 13:45.34 | Simca | nobody there can spell words, it's got to be frustrating if you are trying to reference files |
| 13:45.57 | Torhal | "Instead of typing the fucking name, use this tool to generate one." |
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| 13:55.21 | VIad | so it's basically the largest enum you can imagine |
| 13:55.56 | VIad | enum FileDataComplete { NONE, SPELL_TARGET_OK, SPELL_TARGET_ERROR, ... } |
| 13:56.06 | VIad | tbh no clue what the texture with id 1 or 2 is :p |
| 13:58.37 | karl_w_w | enumerates VIad and 200 varieties of cactus |
| 14:00.07 | VIad | enumerates karl_w_w and 200 varieties of cacti. |
| 14:00.30 | Torhal | karl_w_w: It's cacti, though in VIad's case, you could substitute cactl. |
| 14:01.02 | VIad | actually both is fine, cacti is the latin one, at least according to the dictionary |
| 14:01.15 | karl_w_w | no, it's cactus |
| 14:01.21 | Torhal | Doesn't matter - for you, it's cactl. |
| 14:01.35 | karl_w_w | if it was 200 varieties of dog is would be dog, not dogs |
| 14:01.46 | Torhal | dogs VIad. |
| 14:01.48 | Torhal | >.> |
| 14:01.59 | VIad | catses karl_w_w |
| 14:02.13 | Torhal | You leave my catses out of it. |
| 14:02.13 | karl_w_w | pegs Torhal |
| 14:02.24 | Torhal | telephonepoles karl_w_w. |
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| 14:11.02 | mckenziemc | replaces Torhal's cats with an equal mass of live spiders. |
| 14:11.33 | Gnarfoz | the spider expansion is not yet live, mckenziemc, you need to use beta spiders |
| 14:11.35 | Torhal | replaces mckenziemc with an actual human being. |
| 14:13.48 | mckenziemc | and actually you'd use the singular form "cactus" as a collective noun in that instance |
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| 15:18.58 | VIad | center or centre? |
| 15:21.19 | mckenziemc | centromere |
| 15:21.36 | karl_w_w | centre |
| 15:21.47 | karl_w_w | centro |
| 15:21.47 | VIad | I always write center :( |
| 15:21.50 | VIad | "more to the center" |
| 15:22.00 | karl_w_w | because you're american |
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| 15:25.32 | Gnarfoz | no need to be rude |
| 15:26.19 | Simca | i alternate between -or and -our endings, but I always use -er over -re |
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| 15:45.27 | Gnarfoz | now that you mention it, I think I do, too |
| 15:45.30 | Gnarfoz | also gray/grey |
| 15:45.48 | zork-tdmog | hi |
| 15:52.03 | karl_w_w | grey is always |
| 15:52.14 | karl_w_w | that one's not even regional |
| 15:55.31 | mckenziemc | except when talking about Gray code! |
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| 17:45.55 | karl_w_w | I've just realized why nvidia shouldn't have called it a 1080 |
| 17:46.12 | karl_w_w | it makes it harder to search for on store websites |
| 17:46.13 | Munk | Implies it's limited to 1080p? |
| 17:46.18 | Munk | Oh. |
| 17:47.42 | nevcairiel | yeah the search can be cofnused by that |
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| 18:08.00 | foxlit | so I wanted to pull values of the LE_ constants directly from the wow binary, but that's proving a little non-trivial :( |
| 18:09.23 | Predicate | How so? I can add it into my script that scrapes CVars and console commands. |
| 18:11.05 | karl_w_w | on steam what's the difference between "free" and "free to play"? |
| 18:11.53 | kd3 | free means no in-game purchases |
| 18:12.04 | foxlit | Predicate: given s, a string which contains the contents of WoW-64.exe, kindly a return a table mapping e.g. "LE_PAN_AND_JUMP" to 6, "LE_QUEST_FACTION_HORDE" to 2 |
| 18:12.05 | kd3 | f2p = pay-to-win |
| 18:13.03 | karl_w_w | not true |
| 18:13.34 | karl_w_w | plenty of non-free games are pay to win, and plenty of free to play games are not pay-to-win |
| 18:13.51 | karl_w_w | I should find consistency in my hyphens |
| 18:14.18 | Predicate | foxlit: can't do that without a disassembler library, which is why I said I'd roll it into my existing script that already disassembles and stores stuff like that :P |
| 18:15.06 | Predicate | I'll take a look at the binary today and see what I can do for you. |
| 18:21.45 | Predicate | Oh. Yeah that's actually quite doable. |
| 18:32.53 | Neffi | foxlit: stop hacking plz |
| 18:33.05 | foxlit | bans Neffi from everything. |
| 18:33.10 | Neffi | :( |
| 18:33.20 | Neffi | you are doing this in Lua? |
| 18:33.56 | foxlit | might as well. |
| 18:35.05 | Neffi | I would think this might be slow in Lua |
| 18:35.30 | foxlit | why would you think that? |
| 18:35.34 | Predicate | It is a bit. |
| 18:36.19 | Neffi | what are you doing, a simple search with string lib? |
| 18:36.26 | Predicate | Takes 10 seconds or so to disassemble the entire binary and grab the bits I need. |
| 18:36.42 | Predicate | On the bright side, I've added all the enums now. |
| 18:37.21 | Neffi | because chopping up that string to do less trivial processing on it creates a lot of garbage |
| 18:39.42 | Predicate | foxlit: https://github.com/Predicate/addon-maint/commit/f9c68015033a9e14e7748430c5e806107b978a8e |
| 18:41.48 | Predicate | I really need to refactor that script :/ |
| 18:43.16 | foxlit | Predicate: I think your dependency set might be bigger than what I'm willing to tolerate. |
| 18:44.05 | Predicate | Yeah, I know. |
| 18:44.30 | Predicate | I don't like doing it this way, but I can't find a disassembly library with Lua bindings that doesn't choke on the WoW binary. |
| 18:44.46 | Predicate | Porting this over to python+pyudis86 is on the to-do list. |
| 18:53.00 | NodusCursorius | In record time she produces information that is otherwise inaccessible. |
| 18:53.10 | NodusCursorius | "too many deps" |
| 18:53.11 | NodusCursorius | ohok |
| 18:53.43 | VIad | nevcairiel: I just logged beta today, also got the funky camera thing :d |
| 18:55.53 | foxlit | NodusCursorius: "too many deps" means I can't use this for the purpose I wanted. |
| 18:58.30 | Stanzilla | thanks for the info, VIad |
| 18:58.53 | VIad | fixed on zone in/out a portal /class hall |
| 18:58.58 | VIad | Stanzilla: what? :< |
| 19:00.03 | VIad | what did I do? was that sarcasm? I am lonely... |
| 19:00.50 | Stanzilla | nothing :D |
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| 19:18.57 | zork-tdmog | making progress on the button theme http://imgur.com/LLkg8uE |
| 19:19.12 | zork-tdmog | wow is that quality bad >_> |
| 19:19.43 | Predicate | Needs more jpeg. |
| 19:19.46 | Stanzilla | too much blizzard border for my taste :D |
| 19:22.22 | zork-tdmog | Stanzilla that is the point |
| 19:22.29 | zork-tdmog | That IS the default blizzard border |
| 19:22.34 | zork-tdmog | will be the default theme |
| 19:22.39 | zork-tdmog | :) |
| 19:25.21 | Stanzilla | always hated the fact that they never redid the borders on the old icons when the new ones got new ones! |
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| 19:27.29 | zork-tdmog | well I did! |
| 19:27.46 | zork-tdmog | my normaltexture is 64x64 |
| 19:27.59 | zork-tdmog | I just copied the style |
| 19:29.01 | VIad | they probably dont keep the original sources without built in borders |
| 19:29.11 | VIad | imo all icons should be borderless, and you apply borders using the frame |
| 19:29.23 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:50.31 | VIad | did blizz remove the minimize button on your character? to hide the right panel |
| 19:50.50 | VIad | >_> |
| 20:01.49 | VIad | <_< |
| 20:06.28 | zenzelezz | <(o.o(< |
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| 20:44.14 | VIad | no one else bothered by this? |
| 20:44.21 | VIad | I played with that shit minimized all the time |
| 20:56.08 | Semlar | i like that they reduced it to like 6 numbers but if they could just take up the entire space with your item level that would be perfect |
| 20:57.40 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/8tyhsmT.jpg |
| 20:58.29 | VIad | and you can't minimize it :/ |
| 21:06.19 | Simca | i really wish blizzard could make up their minds on whether or not they want their currency values to be divided by 1000 |
| 21:08.22 | FireSiku | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.03 | FireSiku | Also, that picture disappoints me, I expected the item level to take up the entire space :( |
| 21:09.19 | zenzelezz | it's a battle between the centennials and the millennials |
| 21:09.29 | Simca | context: honor and conquest values are 100x higher than they should be |
| 21:09.37 | Simca | but only those two types of currency |
| 21:09.47 | Simca | so you have to handle those two currencyIDs separately |
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| 21:10.14 | Simca | oh and valor too, but only sometimes |
| 21:10.34 | Simca | if you get it in a bonus roll popup, valor is 100x bigger than it should be, but only there |
| 21:11.05 | VIad | I tried to gank semlar, but can't find him here :( |
| 21:11.21 | Semlar | rude |
| 21:11.28 | VIad | :p |
| 21:11.34 | VIad | it's pve server anyway ;d |
| 21:11.44 | Semlar | it's the thought that counts |
| 21:12.15 | VIad | I wasnt going to gank you :( |
| 21:12.19 | VIad | I only wanted to appear though |
| 21:12.28 | FireSiku | On live, I always hang out by the Seat of Knowledge, but I dont want to leave Stormwind on the beta |
| 21:13.23 | Semlar | why is blink so bad |
| 21:14.03 | Semlar | i don't normally play a mage but i don't think i've gotten this to teleport me a full 20 yards yet |
| 21:14.41 | FireSiku | You havent truly played a mage until it teleported you backward. |
| 21:14.48 | Simca | you missed the subtext in the tooltip that says '20 yards or until the nearest pebble' |
| 21:14.49 | Semlar | have had that happen |
| 21:14.56 | Semlar | do you need to be on a salt flat or something |
| 21:15.02 | Maldivia | FireSiku: http://i.imgur.com/5CGoAjQ.png -- better? |
| 21:15.13 | Semlar | yeah this is a huge improvement |
| 21:15.20 | Semlar | ship it |
| 21:15.25 | FireSiku | hahaha |
| 21:15.31 | FireSiku | hugs Maldivia |
| 21:16.04 | Semlar | i think i'm going to replace people's nameplates with their item level |
| 21:16.08 | Simca | wow 8.0, character models too hard to maintain, replaced with floating text representing your item level |
| 21:16.31 | Semlar | i'm going to inspect every single person on screen |
| 21:16.50 | Semlar | and list their achievements, their gold, their item level on top of their heads |
| 21:17.12 | kd3 | spacex launching no earlier than 22 minutes from now. http://www.spacex.com/webcast |
| 21:17.12 | FireSiku | Goddamn |
| 21:17.30 | Simca | addon name: Your Life In a Number |
| 21:17.33 | Semlar | i expect this to be part of the base kui kesava, make it happen |
| 21:21.25 | Semlar | wait how close to someone do you have to be to inspect them |
| 21:21.45 | Semlar | can't be that close because there are addons that scan your whole raid |
| 21:22.39 | Predicate | You can inspect everyone in your raid from any distance. |
| 21:22.49 | Predicate | For randoms though, there's an inspect radius. |
| 21:24.05 | Semlar | i'm gonna need all information on everyone |
| 21:24.52 | Semlar | assuming you even still see other players in this game |
| 21:27.28 | Semlar | 28 yards? |
| 21:28.02 | kd3 | T-11 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBYC4f79iXc |
| 21:28.18 | Maldivia | Semlar: time to having everone install gearscore addon, that broadcast to the entire server over hidden channel ? :D |
| 21:28.46 | Semlar | guill are you going to ban my addon if i inspect every player i see |
| 21:29.04 | Predicate | Eh, inspect throttling should keep it manageable. |
| 21:29.15 | kd3 | didn't the original gearscore get banned for that? |
| 21:29.26 | Semlar | i think it got banned for the massive amount of data it sent to other players |
| 21:29.50 | Semlar | it wasn't just inspecting people |
| 21:30.49 | Semlar | plus it seems like oqueue would have been sending even more data when it was popular |
| 21:31.23 | Semlar | maybe it's less of an issue now |
| 21:31.52 | Maldivia | kd3: what was that... did he just say "Ofcourse I still love you" ? |
| 21:32.06 | Semlar | yes |
| 21:32.11 | kd3 | yes. one of iain m banks's culture ships |
| 21:32.23 | kd3 | the other one (in the paciifc) is 'just read the instructions' |
| 21:32.28 | Guill | Semlar: Banning AddOns is a last resort (hasn't happened since 2012). Much more likely we'd add a super strict throttle to inspect and everyone would hate you instead :P |
| 21:32.37 | Semlar | :( |
| 21:32.47 | Semlar | would inspecting every nameplate be too much |
| 21:33.04 | Predicate | Isn't the inspect throttle already super strict? Or is it just that laggy? |
| 21:33.11 | Semlar | it's not that bad |
| 21:33.38 | Guill | Semlar: To be honest, I'd just do whatever you want to do. Someone set the current throttle around the idea that it would keep things stable, so you'll probably be OK |
| 21:34.03 | zenzelezz | it's almost as if they didn't intend people to use the inspect to index the whole server |
| 21:34.04 | Guill | If that isn't correct, we'll just adjust the throttle (probably adding a second long-term throttle) |
| 21:34.05 | Predicate | "To be honest, I'd just do whatever you want to do." - Blizzard, 2016 |
| 21:34.07 | Semlar | i have no idea how well it would even work |
| 21:34.22 | Semlar | if it's too slow it would probably not be worth it |
| 21:34.26 | Guill | Predicate: I mean, really, that's just life advice |
| 21:34.27 | Semlar | i'd need to actually test it |
| 21:34.47 | Predicate | I'm taking that as permission to write all kinds of terrible things into my addons :D |
| 21:34.47 | Semlar | "Just do it" - Guill |
| 21:35.48 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: I don't think I can count the number of times I've hit the throttle or been DCd by GetItemCount (before item-sparse was shipped with the client) |
| 21:35.50 | Guill | Predicate: If you can think of terrible things to write in to your AddOns, do it and just send it to me instead of distributing it ;) |
| 21:36.03 | Maldivia | GetItemInfo* |
| 21:36.22 | Semlar | what if i only think of terrible things |
| 21:37.01 | Predicate | Yeah that sounds like it could be a full time job for Semlar |
| 21:37.18 | kd3 | 2 minutes to launch! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBYC4f79iXc |
| 21:37.35 | Semlar | oh god wasp |
| 21:37.41 | Guill | Semlar: Then do it and send it to me! If you don't, someone more malicious will |
| 21:37.42 | Maldivia | kd3: the stream quality is really bad though :/ |
| 21:37.52 | kd3 | I'm watching at 1080p |
| 21:38.03 | zenzelezz | lol, that bug on the camera |
| 21:38.36 | Semlar | Guill: is the player nameplate supposed to only ever show up in combat or should it be taking your settings into account |
| 21:38.44 | Maldivia | kd3: well, my connection to youtube right now is really poor for me, everything else is fast |
| 21:38.44 | Semlar | i can't get it to stay on screen |
| 21:39.08 | Ironii | btw, should arg5 and the spellid in spell guid (in UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED) always be the same for npcs or does it change with them the same way it does for players? |
| 21:39.09 | Predicate | It shows when any of your resources are non-full, I think |
| 21:39.33 | Maldivia | liftoff |
| 21:39.39 | Ironii | (does npcs try to cast spell X but then it changes to spell Y or do they always cast spell Y) |
| 21:41.01 | Semlar | Predicate: it doesn't show when i cast my spells |
| 21:41.51 | Semlar | it seems to mostly be from being in combat or losing health |
| 21:41.54 | Predicate | Hm. Maybe just when health is non-full. |
| 21:41.56 | Guill | Semlar: Not a feature I worked on, so I don't know to be honest. If there are existing options that seem like they should apply, but aren't, that could be a bug. Post it on the forums! |
| 21:42.17 | Semlar | well i have it set to always show nameplates so i would expect it to always show mine |
| 21:42.27 | Semlar | but it has its own behavior |
| 21:42.36 | Guill | I'm pretty sure that yours isn't meant to follow the same rules as standard nameplates |
| 21:42.44 | Predicate | Yeah, the player nameplate is "special", it doesn't really care what your other nameplates do. |
| 21:44.47 | Semlar | i guess to be fair i did hide my own fake nameplate when i was at full health |
| 21:45.13 | Predicate | As a warlock with Burning Rush, I hate you :) |
| 21:45.16 | Semlar | but this seems to hide itself even if you aren't at full health after a couple seconds since taking damage |
| 21:46.14 | Semlar | i guess it's not that big of a deal but i wanted to be able to attach stuff to it |
| 21:46.37 | Predicate | Can't you still do that? Just don't parent to it? |
| 21:46.51 | Semlar | no it's a nameplate |
| 21:47.11 | Semlar | if it's not in use it basically just hangs out waiting to get recycled |
| 21:47.19 | Predicate | Oh, that's gross then. |
| 21:47.38 | Semlar | i mean you could get its location the last time it was visible but it wouldn't be the same |
| 21:47.42 | Predicate | If it's not gonna follow the behavior of the others, it shouldn't take up a slot in the pool and a unit ID :/ |
| 21:47.57 | Semlar | i agree that it shouldn't use a unit ID |
| 21:48.17 | kd3 | whee, that's #4 |
| 21:48.19 | Semlar | but they probably want all of the nameplates to be consistent |
| 21:48.22 | zenzelezz | wooo |
| 21:48.25 | Maldivia | nice! |
| 21:48.40 | Guill | kd3: Thanks for linking that, super cool to watch live! |
| 21:48.47 | kd3 | glad to |
| 21:48.48 | Predicate | But it's explicitly /not/ consistent. It shows at your feet and only in combat, even when you have nameplates set to show over heads and all the time. |
| 21:49.01 | Semlar | well i mean with the nameplate events |
| 21:49.33 | Semlar | it behaves the same way as other nameplates in that it gives you a reference to the nameplate frame and a nameplate unit ID |
| 21:50.05 | Predicate | Right, but the result is we have 29 nameplates we can control, and 1 we can't. |
| 21:50.26 | Semlar | they could allow more nameplates if instead of using "nameplate" unit IDs for units that already have another unit ID they just used that one instead |
| 21:50.52 | Semlar | so it would be nice if it just used "player" for your nameplate and "raid1" etc for raid members |
| 21:50.55 | Predicate | Yeah, but then we'd need more API for stuff like UnitHasNameplate("unitid") |
| 21:51.31 | Semlar | we already have a GetNamePlateForUnit function though |
| 21:52.51 | Predicate | It'd mean UnitIsUnit("nameplate*", "*") would always return false, too...hmm |
| 21:53.09 | Semlar | what do you mean |
| 21:53.35 | Predicate | I mean, if you only allocate nameplate unit IDs to things that don't have other unitIDs assigned, then a nameplate unit is never going to be equivalent to any other unit. |
| 21:53.53 | Predicate | Not a bad thing, just interesting. |
| 21:55.25 | Semlar | well, i mean explicitly for relatively static unitIDs like group members and the player |
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| 21:55.38 | Semlar | although those could technically change if someone left the group or got moved around |
| 21:55.44 | Semlar | so maybe that wouldn't work very well |
| 21:56.03 | Predicate | Yeah...player is really the only truly static one. |
| 21:56.18 | Semlar | you'd probably have to recreate the nameplate if their unitID changed |
| 21:56.24 | Predicate | Maybe pet, too, if anyone ever uses a nameplate for their pet. |
| 21:57.01 | Semlar | whereas the way it is now, once the nameplate is shown it's going to have that unitID until it gets hidden |
| 21:57.40 | Predicate | That wouldn't be too hard to do. Doubt they'll want to rework nameplate allocation at this point, though. |
| 21:57.44 | Semlar | nah |
| 21:57.52 | Semlar | they probably have other things to do |
| 22:02.42 | Kesava | what did you say Semlar, i can't find it |
| 22:03.24 | Semlar | [17:16]Semlari'm going to inspect every single person on screen |
| 22:03.25 | Semlar | [17:16]Semlarand list their achievements, their gold, their item level on top of their heads |
| 22:03.52 | Kesava | sounds good |
| 22:03.56 | Semlar | i thought so too |
| 22:04.37 | Semlar | i mean guill basically told me i have to do it |
| 22:04.41 | Kesava | you should probably put there speed there too since they got rid of that from the character pane |
| 22:04.44 | Kesava | their |
| 22:04.55 | Semlar | yeah i'm definitely adding UnitSpeed |
| 22:05.08 | Semlar | you have to know how fast they're going |
| 22:05.11 | Predicate | Arena Rating? |
| 22:05.41 | Semlar | and you can add how many killing blows and damage they've done during the current battleground |
| 22:05.48 | Semlar | so you can run and hide |
| 22:06.07 | Predicate | Really, make a graphic of a penis that grows/shrinks based on their k:d ratio during that battleground. |
| 22:06.22 | Guill | Should definitely put their GUID on a line too IMO. That way, you can still recognize them if they get a name change. |
| 22:06.49 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/a9muSuD.jpg it's funny you should say that |
| 22:07.08 | Predicate | Are those really stretchy mushrooms? |
| 22:07.15 | Semlar | i was trying to figure out how createline worked |
| 22:07.15 | Predicate | You have a problem, sir. |
| 22:07.26 | Semlar | :( |
| 22:08.01 | Kesava | does that createline from your head or just from the centre of the screen? |
| 22:08.10 | Semlar | just the center of the screen |
| 22:08.12 | Kesava | bah |
| 22:08.20 | Semlar | pfft what more do you want |
| 22:08.42 | Semlar | i wanted to attach it to the player nameplate but it doesn't appear to be possible to keep it onscreen |
| 22:08.50 | Kesava | indeed |
| 22:09.16 | Semlar | you can see the arrows here https://gfycat.com/UnpleasantHatefulHake the center of the screen isn't that bad |
| 22:10.13 | Kesava | well, i was wondering yesterday if it was possible to get the player model position since you can shift it around now |
| 22:10.30 | Kesava | wanted to move some combat text stuff to keep it from overlapping |
| 22:10.49 | Semlar | well your nameplate should stick with your model but other than that i don't think you can |
| 22:10.55 | Semlar | you'd have to know where the camera is |
| 22:11.07 | Kesava | yee |
| 22:11.08 | Kesava | s |
| 22:11.10 | Kesava | yee. |
| 22:11.38 | Semlar | they don't want us 3Ding things up |
| 22:16.11 | FireSiku | They sure learned that from AVR. |
| 22:20.20 | Ironii | seems like i suck at creating bindings, my problem is that im creating/clearing bindings (for unitframe click-to-cast stuff) on _onshow/_onhide, but if the frame spawns/despawns on cursor it doesn't trigger the events |
| 22:20.52 | Ironii | is there any way to get the cursor position and use _onshow/_onhide ? GetCursorPosition(), doesn't seem to work |
| 22:22.31 | Semlar | um |
| 22:22.37 | Semlar | you mean onenter and onleave? |
| 22:23.40 | Semlar | it doesn't fire _onleave when the frame hides but you can hook _onhide for that |
| 22:23.52 | Ironii | yeah, _onenter/_onleave |
| 22:24.03 | Semlar | you just have to inherit both templates |
| 22:24.34 | Semlar | you don't need the cursor position |
| 22:24.50 | Semlar | you override the bindings onenter, clear them onleave or onhide |
| 22:24.59 | Semlar | i just did this exact thing for nameplates |
| 22:25.13 | Semlar | except i had to scrap it all because i couldn't do what i wanted |
| 22:25.15 | Ironii | wouldn't that also clear the bindings if one of the nameplates triggers onhide? |
| 22:25.42 | Semlar | what do you mean |
| 22:26.00 | Semlar | each unit frame has its own onenter onleave and onhide handlers |
| 22:28.40 | Ironii | so what i should do is use something like f:SetAttribute('_onhide',clearBindings) on _onenter and then _onleave f:SetAttribute('_onhide','') so it doesn't mess up with the bindings if the frame despawns when im mouseovering other units? |
| 22:29.59 | foxlit | Predicate: does that getcallargs handle register->stack pushes somehow? |
| 22:30.42 | Predicate | No, but it hasn't needed to yet! |
| 22:30.59 | Predicate | I'm rewriting the thing without Olly now, if you want to wait until that's finished. Probably this evening or tomorrow. |
| 22:31.08 | Semlar | Ironii: you could it that way |
| 22:31.22 | foxlit | nah, I think I've mostly got the picture |
| 22:32.07 | Predicate | If you're doing it yourself, I recommend pe-parser from LuaRocks and ludis86 from...some random dude's GitHub, apparently. |
| 22:32.18 | Ironii | any ideas how to set up the bindings when the frame spawns under mouse ? :P |
| 22:32.20 | Semlar | Ironii: you'll have to make sure and remove the _onhide attribute after it gets hidden though |
| 22:32.31 | Semlar | what are you doing |
| 22:32.48 | Ironii | nameplate 'grid' |
| 22:32.53 | foxlit | are you sure it isn't needed, though? NUM_LE_PARTY_CATEGORIES, LE_PARTY_CATEGORY_HOME and so on seem to not use the push immediate constant pattern. |
| 22:33.21 | Semlar | those are static unit frames though? |
| 22:33.25 | Ironii | yea |
| 22:33.34 | Predicate | Hm, good call. I didn't catch those, they're pretty rare. |
| 22:33.46 | foxlit | you may also enjoy LE_GAME_%s in Legion. |
| 22:33.46 | Semlar | you could check if the mouse is over the frame onshow |
| 22:34.17 | Predicate | Yeah, I don't handle printf calls at all. See also: CVar pvpBlacklist%d. |
| 22:34.58 | Semlar | Ironii: you can use handle:IsUnderMouse() |
| 22:35.11 | Predicate | I took a stab at it, but I'm no assembly wizard, and decided it would be faster to just hardcode some heuristics for the ones we know about. |
| 22:35.25 | Predicate | Hope I gave you a starting point, at least. |
| 22:35.55 | [TOM_RUS] | that's why you should use debugger do dump stuff and don't fuck with static analysis |
| 22:36.26 | Predicate | I leave that to your capable hands :) |
| 22:36.46 | Guill | Weird that PARTY_CATEGORY stuff is different. Those don't do anything special |
| 22:36.53 | Ironii | Semlar thanks, i didn't notice that function earlier :( |
| 22:37.08 | foxlit | is there a 64-bit version of this somewhere, or are you all going to suffer when 32-bit client disappears? |
| 22:37.32 | Predicate | Olly's 32-bit only, but ludis86 can handle either one. |
| 22:37.38 | foxlit | Guill: compiler opimization, probably. "Oh hey, I already have that in a register, let's not use more instruction bytes" |
| 22:37.54 | Predicate | Really, Olly was just kind of an intermediate stop in my process from manual extraction to automated script. |
| 22:46.05 | NodusCursorius | [TOM_RUS], right. But because that is a dangerous, unacceptable practice, compared to static analysis. Competent static analysis will always be able to parse what dynamic analysis can, provided it's clever. |
| 22:46.44 | [TOM_RUS] | it's not worth it |
| 22:46.55 | NodusCursorius | Let others decide what is, for themselves. |
| 22:47.10 | Kesava | ... Munk did i just see you |
| 22:47.19 | Predicate | foxlit: On further inspection, it looks like the pop into the register is just before those, so I could probably handle it with my disasm buffer. I'll just have to be less lazy about how I handle pops/pushes. |
| 22:47.34 | NodusCursorius | Code is code. Reading and following code doesn't require debugging through hooks. |
| 22:47.35 | Ironii | eh, i can't get _onshow to trigger... |
| 22:47.40 | Ironii | how can this be so hard for me |
| 22:47.40 | Ironii | :D |
| 22:48.16 | foxlit | yeah, the fanciest thing you might have to deal with is xor edi,edi |
| 22:48.17 | Semlar | you are meddling in powers you do not understand |
| 22:48.30 | Predicate | Good thing playtime gives me bitlib! |
| 22:49.17 | Ironii | i just don't understand how _onhide works but _onshow doesn't |
| 22:49.34 | Semlar | it's not being shown? |
| 22:49.45 | foxlit | it's already shown? |
| 22:50.08 | foxlit | look at your code, now back to me, now back to your code. Your frame is now a dinosaur. |
| 22:50.09 | Munk | Maybe you did Kesava |
| 22:50.43 | Semlar | here foxlit http://i.imgur.com/wbrLMAK.gifv |
| 22:51.17 | Ironii | the frame works like it should work, and _onhide triggers when it should, but 0 _onshow events... |
| 22:51.27 | Semlar | well you did something wrong |
| 22:51.44 | foxlit | by all means don't show us your code |
| 22:51.49 | Semlar | either the frame isn't going from being hidden to being shown or you have a typo |
| 22:51.55 | foxlit | we're trying to determine whether Semlar has psychic debugging powers. |
| 22:52.01 | Semlar | i might |
| 22:52.05 | Predicate | There's a good chance he does. |
| 22:52.09 | Kesava | Munk: munkdh? |
| 22:52.11 | foxlit | inconclusive thus far. |
| 22:52.11 | Kesava | creepy. |
| 22:52.43 | Semlar | i have been known to perform extrasensory feats of programming |
| 22:53.06 | Ironii | http://pastebin.com/YTKhiyT0 |
| 22:53.06 | Semlar | but only when nobody is looking |
| 22:53.18 | Semlar | that is not enough code |
| 22:53.24 | Predicate | Ugh. Learning to read PE executable headers wasn't on my list for today, and yet here I am. I blame foxlit |
| 22:53.38 | foxlit | oh hey, I learned how to read PE executable headers today. |
| 22:53.49 | foxlit | microsoft docs are oddly helpful. |
| 22:54.58 | Ironii | hah, i figured it out...changet SetScript to HookScript, i thought it wouldn't matter to _onshow and _onhide events |
| 22:54.59 | Ironii | .... |
| 22:55.20 | Semlar | it does matter |
| 22:55.26 | Semlar | you're overwriting the script on the frame |
| 22:57.06 | foxlit | why do healthbars in legion instances sometimes drop severely and then recover instantly? |
| 22:57.17 | foxlit | dps as well as tanks, so it's probably not people hitting their healing buttons |
| 22:58.01 | Semlar | on live it would do that when you walked between zones/changed phases |
| 22:58.35 | Semlar | your health would instantly drop and come back, like it had to recalculate your stats or something |
| 22:59.04 | Semlar | i don't know if they ever fixed that, but walking from your garrison to the ship yard would do it |
| 22:59.10 | foxlit | it seemingly goes like 100->25->90 on some aoe attacks |
| 22:59.22 | Semlar | might be unrelated |
| 23:00.05 | Semlar | maybe it's some kind of predictive health thing |
| 23:02.09 | Stanzilla | foxlit: in instances? |
| 23:02.12 | Stanzilla | the health scaling |
| 23:02.18 | Stanzilla | if ppl are a different level than you |
| 23:02.22 | Stanzilla | and they take aoe dmg |
| 23:02.29 | Stanzilla | you take the dmg of the player it was targetted at |
| 23:02.33 | Stanzilla | and then scale back |
| 23:02.36 | Stanzilla | its retarded :D |
| 23:03.49 | Semlar | what if the unscaled damage would kill you |
| 23:04.18 | Stanzilla | no idea |
| 23:04.26 | Stanzilla | could also be wrong but that's what we figured it is |
| 23:04.46 | Stanzilla | you dont really take the dmg, it just the ui that adjusts by that number |
| 23:04.47 | Stanzilla | I think |
| 23:05.06 | Kesava | #conjecture? |
| 23:05.08 | Semlar | what does the combat log say |
| 23:05.34 | foxlit | that there is no such thing as a combat log |
| 23:06.27 | foxlit | (seriuosly, I've given up trying to figure out what happens in combat using the default ui) |
| 23:07.18 | Semlar | it would be annoying, the external log i think has their current health at the time of the damage |
| 23:08.58 | Semlar | it sounds like UnitHealth is confused about what their health should actually be |
| 23:09.06 | Stanzilla | never bothred to look at the clog since it's useless but yeah |
| 23:20.00 | Munk | Kesava did you lick me a couple of times? |
| 23:24.44 | Kesava | i did indeed :D |
| 23:25.52 | Munk | Seemed like everytime I tabbed back someone had licked me lol |
| 23:38.26 | mckenziemc | o.o |
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