| 00:05.41 | Simca | field_structure.size is my favorite field without a doubt |
| 00:05.54 | Simca | size in bits as calculated by: byteSize = (32 - size) / 8 |
| 00:06.00 | Simca | it's like... just why |
| 00:06.35 | [TOM_RUS] | do it like (32 - size) >> 3! |
| 00:06.56 | Simca | meh, that's what compilers are for |
| 00:14.49 | Simca | I guess they wanted the value to be 0 as often as possible, for the sake of compression? |
| 00:15.34 | Simca | and used bits to leave open the possibility of non-byte-sized fields (but that's a stupid idea) |
| 00:15.37 | Semlar | somehow i don't think the db2 files are making up a significant portion of the 36gb game |
| 00:16.05 | Simca | 200 MB, semlar, srs bsns |
| 00:16.14 | Semlar | every byte counts i suppose |
| 00:17.03 | Simca | setec9 basically confirmed that this is a serious issue on twitter when he said that they wouldn't be able to expand the info provided by db2s for the sake of the community because it would be extra bytes |
| 00:17.45 | Semlar | :( |
| 00:20.51 | [TOM_RUS] | extra bytes |
| 00:20.55 | [TOM_RUS] | 2016 |
| 00:21.00 | [TOM_RUS] | best excuse |
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| 00:23.52 | foxlit | Simca: your description seems to fail to capture Item-sparse |
| 00:24.56 | Simca | it should work to capture the data, but you're going to need to use the offset map to navigate the entries |
| 00:29.41 | foxlit | basic question: where is the offset map? |
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| 00:33.29 | kd3 | heh. I guess it's good I haven't had time to try beta in the past ~4 days |
| 00:35.34 | Rythal1 | Loot glow.. really? the loot sparkles wasn't enough? they needed a beam of light in the air? |
| 00:35.50 | foxlit | beams are way cooler than sparkles. |
| 00:37.24 | Simca | foxlit: after string table, before non-inline ID block |
| 00:37.38 | Simca | only exists if flags & 0x01 != 0 |
| 00:37.39 | foxlit | Where's the string table? |
| 00:37.50 | Simca | right after the records |
| 00:37.55 | foxlit | Where's the end of the records? |
| 00:38.15 | Simca | ah, right, they actually thought of that issue |
| 00:38.40 | Simca | so when flags & 0x01 != 0, string_table_size in the header field takes on a different meaning |
| 00:38.45 | Simca | it becomes an offset to the offset_map |
| 00:38.53 | Simca | so jump to that |
| 00:39.27 | foxlit | ... sounds like something documentation should mention. |
| 00:39.40 | Simca | it's on there somewhere probably |
| 00:39.57 | Simca | but yes i should put that in the structure code |
| 00:40.41 | Simca | (pretty horrible to reuse a field with a completely different purpose, but it WAS always going to be 0 for offset_map variants because they use inline strings and not the string table, so it does make sense) |
| 00:42.45 | Semlar | Fixed an issue where Raynorâs hair could sometimes display placeholder art on certain settings. |
| 00:44.23 | foxlit | other documentation mysteries: why are there more offset table entries than rows in the db2? |
| 00:45.29 | Simca | i do mention that |
| 00:45.33 | Simca | offset_map_entry offset_map[header.max_id - header.min_id + 1]; |
| 00:45.49 | Simca | you would think they would just do offset_map_entry offset_map[header.record_count]; |
| 00:45.59 | Simca | but that would make too much sense, so they add a couple thousand entries of pure 0s |
| 00:46.26 | foxlit | 'why' |
| 00:46.51 | Simca | no idea, it's pretty contrary to the rest of their design |
| 00:47.08 | Simca | I think it's got to be a mistake caused by different people working on the same code or something |
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| 00:49.37 | Simca | the only intentional reason i can think of is that doing it this way mandates that the rows be ordered |
| 00:49.42 | Semlar | zeros for the binary god |
| 00:50.02 | Semlar | you must make the sacrifice |
| 00:50.20 | foxlit | why are there more non-zero entries than there are records? |
| 00:50.56 | Simca | that is a question I have been unable to answer. |
| 00:51.28 | Simca | my best guess is that they don't look at the record count at all |
| 00:52.06 | Simca | and determine ID based on its position in the offset_map |
| 00:52.49 | foxlit | and the rows-sized ID map is there just for shits and giggles? |
| 00:53.05 | Simca | yep |
| 00:53.58 | Semlar | that doesn't sound very logical |
| 00:55.01 | Simca | it's not anything approaching logical; I really do think that them not using record_count for the offset_map's size is a bug |
| 00:55.27 | Simca | because then the need for an ID map becomes apparent |
| 00:55.33 | Simca | and record_count becomes correct |
| 00:56.51 | Simca | >Note that, in most cases, the non-inline IDs structure still exists, even if it is made completely redundant by the existence of the offset map. After all, why do work once when you could do it twice? |
| 00:57.16 | Simca | nice, old me is quite snarky |
| 00:57.45 | foxlit | is there an inline ID structure? |
| 00:58.09 | Simca | no, unfortunately, and to make things worse, WDB5 moved the ID columns around |
| 00:58.27 | Simca | it used to be that, if the IDs were inline, they were always the first column |
| 00:58.35 | Simca | if they were non-inline, they were in the map |
| 00:58.47 | Simca | now if they're inline they could be any column |
| 00:59.30 | Simca | there is currently no instance of the copy_table existing without non-inline IDs though |
| 00:59.42 | Simca | which is the only time that knowing the ID is required for parsing |
| 01:00.40 | Simca | so in WDB5, when the ID col is inline, I just give out the columns and go 'labeling the ID column has been left an exercise to the reader, have fun' |
| 01:02.42 | Simca | that change is one of the things that really screwed DB sites on the day of the switch, because a lot of code for those sites was written around knowing what the ID was during parsing (even if it wasn't -required- by the format) |
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| 01:13.46 | foxlit | there's similarly no description of where an inline string appears within the record. |
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| 01:36.51 | Semlar | inlines foxlit |
| 01:39.05 | Semlar | i wonder if there's a more recent file list because this is missing some stuff |
| 01:55.58 | foxlit | meh, field positions pointing into the middle of strings. |
| 01:56.12 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 01:56.41 | foxlit | This is pretty much not going to work. |
| 01:57.03 | Semlar | i don't like the sound of that |
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| 02:14.42 | mckenziemc | outlines Semlar's life. |
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| 02:30.40 | Semlar | i can't help but notice this version of lua doesn't appear to have the bit library |
| 02:33.01 | Semlar | how did i manage to get lua 5.2 without bitwise operations |
| 02:35.36 | Torhal | Magic. |
| 02:36.46 | Semlar | :( |
| 02:36.50 | Simca | yeah ignore field positions for inline strings |
| 02:37.15 | Simca | you just have to know before hand where those are |
| 02:46.53 | mckenziemc | bit.ban(Semlar) |
| 02:47.00 | Semlar | rude |
| 03:04.28 | JTF195 | Semlar: WorldFlightMap seems to work fine on beta, just doesn't have flightpoints for Broken Isles yet |
| 03:04.57 | Semlar | it didn't show any flight points for me when i used it in pandaria |
| 03:05.09 | JTF195 | o |
| 03:05.19 | foxlit | Simca: more like ignore positions for everything when inline strings are present? |
| 03:05.38 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/Gamersgreedofficial/videos/1777971279106737/ |
| 03:05.42 | Semlar | i'll have to look into what they've changed |
| 03:06.02 | JTF195 | well at least it's not totally broken and spitting 5000x errors |
| 03:06.22 | foxlit | (and its not like you can tell if there are any) |
| 03:06.25 | Semlar | yeah it's not throwing any errors which actually makes things a little trickier |
| 03:06.33 | Simca | foxlit: I have a variable I use for that, like 'recordPos' and I increment it by 4 when I read an inline string |
| 03:06.43 | Simca | it works |
| 03:07.29 | Simca | and yeah parsing the exe is really the only way to get where inline strings are |
| 03:07.41 | foxlit | that doesn't mean much to me. |
| 03:10.29 | Semlar | just do the thing foxlit |
| 03:10.30 | Simca | before like last week that was a mystical art kept secret but somebody posted some great parsing code for it |
| 03:10.36 | Simca | trying to find it, sec |
| 03:13.43 | Simca | Apr 17 00:47:23 <furl> since i think grabbing db2 info from the exe has been a hard requirement for a while, here's some code to do that: https://gist.github.com/Mischanix/39f71ec8793aee6374e2d9c58c16eb0a0 |
| 03:14.22 | Semlar | this code could be better |
| 03:15.07 | nebula | yea, i'd prefer a 200 |
| 03:20.17 | Simca | the csvs that code outputs are like this: http://www.curseforge.com/paste/db999f8b |
| 03:20.40 | nebula | the gist was deleted |
| 03:20.47 | kd3 | pretty impressive, a 404 outputting useful code |
| 03:21.09 | Simca | oh |
| 03:21.26 | Simca | i probably copied it wrong |
| 03:21.52 | Simca | ah i added an extra 0 to the end of the link lol |
| 03:21.53 | Simca | https://gist.github.com/Mischanix/39f71ec8793aee6374e2d9c58c16eb0a |
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| 03:27.53 | Simca | fields in the csv are: filename, db2 hash (this is a field in all db2 headers to identify them without using file name), number of fields, ID column index (-1 = non-inline structure used), then a list of all field types and array sizes |
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| 04:21.01 | Fisker | trips into Cairenn and hugs Cairenn |
| 04:21.16 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 04:56.30 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
| 04:57.55 | NodusCursorius | [TOM_RUS], I have a few thoughts on the list you posted, and methodology used, regarding Cvars |
| 04:58.28 | NodusCursorius | First, your method is sound but dangerous, as you could just use a reference callback to obtain at least 800 of the Cvars (excluding ones dynamically generated) without risking an account. |
| 04:58.47 | NodusCursorius | Second, your list contains a few hundred duplicates as well as Cvars that do not exist. |
| 04:59.34 | NodusCursorius | alternateResourceText, for example, does not appear in either a logging of RegisterCvar, a lookup of referenced functions, nor does it exist within RDara or IData of the executable. |
| 05:01.44 | NodusCursorius | https://www.diffchecker.com/znp3wjdq - There are a number of Cvars like this, too, that are not actually registering nor in the R/IData of the executable. But you have them. Help me understand the discrepancy? |
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| 05:02.53 | Predicate | Those CVars are all used/set in the UI but not registered at any point, so they'll only appear if you log into a character with that CVar set (when the server syncs your CVars to you) |
| 05:04.09 | NodusCursorius | Already accounted for. |
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| 05:04.23 | NodusCursorius | They also don't exist in the Rdata/iDaa -either way- |
| 05:04.47 | Predicate | That's because the binary doesn't know about them. They're only set by FrameXML. |
| 05:05.27 | NodusCursorius | The binary has -everything- |
| 05:06.01 | NodusCursorius | Since he used the same method I have been used (but with only ollydbg needed), the results should be the same regardless. |
| 05:06.11 | NodusCursorius | They are not. So FrameXML and similar reasonings are not warranted here. |
| 05:10.56 | Spriithy | I drank too much coffee, now I think I have blood in my coffee |
| 05:13.16 | NodusCursorius | Here's why, Predicate : https://github.com/tomrus88/BlizzardInterfaceCode/blob/64dbd79caf6e80b513690c80cf4cae920c9c5c3c/Interface/FrameXML/UnitPowerBarAlt.xml#L177 |
| 05:13.21 | NodusCursorius | Versus: https://github.com/tomrus88/BlizzardInterfaceCode/blob/563ab523a37ced32c1097a9fcd17b3553cb92d8b/Interface/FrameXML/InterfaceOptionsPanels.xml#L97 |
| 05:13.48 | NodusCursorius | In every instance except the Cvars I'm referring to in his list, the Cvar name still exists within Rdata regardless of it being defined in a .lua or .xml |
| 05:14.14 | Predicate | So they were removed in a recent beta build...? |
| 05:15.00 | NodusCursorius | He posted his list yesterday. |
| 05:15.09 | NodusCursorius | Last beta update was seven days ago? Eight? |
| 05:16.44 | NodusCursorius | Oh, she means when they were updated. InterfaceOptionsPanel was 21655 and UnitPowerBarAlt.xml was 20740 |
| 05:16.47 | NodusCursorius | It's possible |
| 05:17.28 | NodusCursorius | But his list still has it, and I'm not convinced. |
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| 11:04.53 | PhatsoTGT | is there an addon enabled but not loaded event? |
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| 11:09.19 | Neffi | PhatsoTGT: you want an event for something not happening? |
| 11:09.28 | Neffi | if it doesn't load, when does the event fire? |
| 11:09.46 | PhatsoTGT | when its enabled? |
| 11:10.09 | Neffi | you mean via EnableAddon()? |
| 11:10.23 | PhatsoTGT | either that or on Login |
| 11:10.48 | Neffi | hooksecurefunc |
| 11:11.00 | Neffi | why would it he enabled during login? |
| 11:11.19 | PhatsoTGT | basically i want to add tooltips from other addons to my tooltipframe array which is used to the style the tips |
| 11:12.24 | Neffi | so detect whether or not the object you want to modify exists |
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| 11:24.35 | Torhal | modifies Neffi upon instantiation. |
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| 11:28.09 | Simca | PhatsoTGT: I missed some history, but the proper way to handle that is still ADDON_LOADED |
| 11:28.40 | Simca | addons being disabled or enabled isn't relevant, you can toggle that without logging out |
| 11:28.47 | Simca | you can load addons without logging out |
| 11:28.55 | Simca | load disabled addons* |
| 11:30.28 | Simca | you just need to be able to handle both cases: A) your addon loads first, sets up normally, then later on, other addons load, and you account for it then B) other addons load first, and when your addon loads, you account for it when setting up |
| 11:32.56 | nevcairiel | you could control load order by using optdeps or so |
| 11:34.22 | Simca | that's somewhat reliable but it still doesn't account for the case of an addon being disabled and loaded manually |
| 11:34.47 | Simca | here's a slimmed down version of what I do for BattlePetBreedID: http://www.curseforge.com/paste/1d2789df |
| 11:36.03 | Simca | basically, in the addon's own ADDON_LOADED, you check for expected objects. if you don't find them, just do normal things. but also have set up ADDON_LOADED events for the other addons you care about, and do what you need there as well |
| 11:36.40 | Simca | that way your code catches all possibilities |
| 11:38.26 | Simca | you should probably do it better than I did and put the redundant code into a function that you call, like 'CheckAndHandleX' |
| 11:38.57 | Simca | but it was only a couple lines in this case so i was willing to let it go |
| 11:47.25 | PhatsoTGT | GameTooltip has no nice function that returns if its a Item Tooltip righto? |
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| 13:30.52 | Simca | GameTooltip:GetItem is the closest thing |
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| 15:42.26 | PhatsoTGT | ye theres also OnTooltipSetItem |
| 15:42.30 | PhatsoTGT | works like a charm |
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| 16:49.19 | karl_w_w | https://a.pomf.cat/qhbogm.webm |
| 16:52.21 | Semlar | wow, just think in a few years the graphics will be almost as good as the bottom right |
| 16:53.12 | karl_w_w | yeah minecraft is the future |
| 17:07.39 | Semlar | the new "report post" icon on wowi being filled in with red kind of makes it look like every post has been reported |
| 17:12.16 | Stanzilla | http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Dog-Dies-at-San-Mateo-PetSmart-While-in-Care-of-Groomer-379717591.html |
| 17:12.17 | Stanzilla | : ( |
| 17:14.08 | Semlar | "some people may be shocked to know that groomers are not regulated by any laws in the state of california" lol, who would be shocked by this |
| 17:21.44 | alestane | Given that some states require a license to be a professional interior decorator? |
| 17:26.50 | Stanzilla | I think his point was cali |
| 17:29.00 | alestane | See, my impression of California is that they regulate everything. |
| 17:30.49 | Semlar | yeah that is kind of shocking |
| 17:31.10 | Semlar | i've changed my mind, i can't believe there's something california doesn't regulate |
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| 17:38.47 | Yoshimo | is the worldmap in Legion missing or are addons causing a green world map? |
| 17:39.09 | Semlar | my world map worked fine |
| 17:39.21 | Semlar | are you in a specific area that doesn't have a map |
| 17:39.43 | Semlar | try /run SetMapByID(321) |
| 17:39.46 | Yoshimo | mhmm it is Aszuna and i also saw it in Dalaran when i tried to escape it |
| 17:41.00 | Yoshimo | old continents which i didn't explore seem fine, but everything regarding Legion is green, i only see ! quest markers and dungeon markers on the green background |
| 17:42.38 | Yoshimo | no all addons disabled still makes the map green |
| 17:50.48 | Semlar | probably just don't have the maps yet |
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| 18:08.07 | Fisker | Hey Seerah |
| 18:10.18 | Predicate | Yoshimo: I've had green maps in a couple spots too, it's not an addon thing. |
| 18:12.23 | Yoshimo | i just see them in places where i had them working even with handynotes as overlay before so that seemed weird |
| 18:13.24 | NodusCursorius | As an update to the Cvar discussion much further up (hello, future Googlers) - the client parses anything in Config.wtf through RegisterCvars, even if the Cvar no longer exists within the game. |
| 18:13.48 | NodusCursorius | A clean Config.wtf before hooking into RegisterCvars is advised |
| 18:15.22 | Predicate | Yoshimo: check out what's happening with the floor selection dropdown in the top left, I get weird numbered areas when the green map thing is going on. |
| 18:15.49 | Predicate | I have a strange feeling that this has to do with the phasing bug, since that seems to affect areas with multiple levels. |
| 18:16.40 | Yoshimo | mhmm they changed the return value of a map function to only show valid floorlevels instead of the total number that could explain why the numbers in the dropdown are off |
| 18:17.01 | Semlar | not if orgrimmar works |
| 18:17.08 | Yoshimo | regarding phasing, i see in the chat that i am not in dalaran when i am affected by the phasing issue |
| 18:17.20 | Yoshimo | weird stuff |
| 18:18.06 | Semlar | can you type /dump GetCurrentMapAreaID() on a map that's green to you |
| 18:18.10 | Predicate | I've seen it in Dalaran, Thunder Totem, and Nar'Thalas Academy - all highly populated areas with multiple levels and submaps. |
| 18:18.24 | Predicate | Sure, let me find a spot |
| 18:18.42 | Predicate | 1021, false |
| 18:18.52 | nevcairiel | it sometimes screws up intermittently for me |
| 18:18.58 | nevcairiel | thunder totem is a micro-dungeon |
| 18:18.59 | Semlar | you must be phased |
| 18:19.08 | Semlar | ah micro dungeons |
| 18:19.16 | Semlar | are you inside of a micro dungeon? |
| 18:19.19 | Predicate | If I'm phased, so are all the other players running past me |
| 18:19.24 | Yoshimo | thunder totem having a diffrent id than highmountain was weird |
| 18:19.28 | Predicate | Dalaran Underbelly |
| 18:19.44 | Yoshimo | Predicate: i just read that is disabled curently, can you still go there? |
| 18:19.47 | nevcairiel | they just disabled underbelly on the beta, if you go there now you get all sorts of weird things |
| 18:20.02 | nevcairiel | the underbelly was an actual different instance before it got disabled |
| 18:20.17 | Predicate | Uhh, doesn't look disabled to me... |
| 18:20.32 | Predicate | The NPCs are definitely gone though |
| 18:21.06 | nevcairiel | anyhow, i've seen it in thundertotem as well, sometimes it would show the micro dungeon map and all was well, then sometimes it would "forget" its a micro dungeon and try to use level 6 of the main zone map (which is the level of that micro dungeon), which doesnt exist and so, green |
| 18:21.09 | Semlar | what's the first result of /dump GetCurrentMapDungeonLevel() |
| 18:21.13 | Semlar | for your green map |
| 18:22.02 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/ZkaY8ED.jpg |
| 18:22.16 | Predicate | 11 |
| 18:22.30 | Predicate | Yeah, my menu looks like that when I'm in the center of the Underbelly |
| 18:22.40 | Semlar | but it says the underbelly for you? |
| 18:22.51 | Semlar | because i can view this map but i'm not actually there |
| 18:22.53 | Predicate | I'm at one of the ramps down into it (warlock class hall portal) and all I see are Area 1, 2, 3, 4 |
| 18:23.16 | Semlar | so it's possible it's using a different map due to phasing |
| 18:23.37 | Semlar | they sometimes swap out the maps for temporary areas |
| 18:23.48 | Semlar | and i'm pretty sure there's no way to tell the difference in game |
| 18:24.06 | Semlar | i guess maybe you could check the file path |
| 18:24.09 | Predicate | Interesting. I guess it's a class phasing thing... |
| 18:24.54 | Predicate | I'm going to head over to Thunder Totem and check the green map spot I had there |
| 18:24.55 | Semlar | does /dump GetMapInfo() give you Dalaran70 |
| 18:26.50 | Semlar | it might have another string as one of the last returns too |
| 18:27.25 | Predicate | Ok, for the Thunder Totem spot we have: GetCurrentMapAreaID() = 1080, false; GetCurrentMapDungeonLevel = 6, ...; GetMapInfo() = ThunderTotem, ... |
| 18:28.14 | Semlar | do you have a level selection at the top left? |
| 18:28.31 | Predicate | Actually, in the Dalaran spot GetMapInfo() returns: "BrokenShore", 668, 768, true, "TheUnderbellyDescent70" |
| 18:28.42 | Semlar | okay that's a microdungeon |
| 18:28.45 | Predicate | Yes, at Thunder Totem it's Area 1, Area 2, Area 3 |
| 18:29.11 | Semlar | thunder totem has no levels for me, if i'm just viewing the map |
| 18:29.20 | Semlar | so that's almost certainly based on your phase' |
| 18:29.33 | Predicate | I'm in one of the tunnels to the outside, on the lower level. |
| 18:29.47 | Semlar | i mean i can't even change the map level |
| 18:29.49 | Predicate | In the middle I'm fine, outside I'm fine, in the tunnel I get a green map |
| 18:30.05 | Semlar | so it has to be based on your quest progress or something |
| 18:30.14 | Predicate | Just like the Dalaran Underbelly, actually |
| 18:30.17 | Predicate | Tunnels must be hard. |
| 18:30.41 | Predicate | It could be. I've progressed quite a bit since I first noticed both of these spots, though |
| 18:31.03 | Predicate | I can check on a fresh boost, if the phasing bug is fixed enough to get to Dalaran now |
| 18:31.14 | Semlar | if it's only when you're standing in a particular spot it could be that they screwed up the vertical-position-to-map-level calculations |
| 18:31.31 | Predicate | Nah, seems like the whole length of the tunnel, in both cases. |
| 18:31.47 | Semlar | it's based on what WMO you're standing on |
| 18:31.50 | Predicate | Checking Orgrimmar now |
| 18:31.53 | Semlar | the.. model of the tunnel |
| 18:32.12 | Semlar | or the actual building you're in contact with |
| 18:32.36 | Predicate | Cleft of Shadow seems to be fine. |
| 18:33.12 | Semlar | they probably plan on adding maps for those tunnels but haven't drawn them yet |
| 18:33.52 | Predicate | I hope so, the green is rather hard on my eyes :( |
| 18:34.01 | Semlar | they didn't finish making the WoD maps until pretty late in the development process |
| 18:34.19 | Semlar | probably didn't want to have to keep changing them |
| 18:34.32 | Predicate | Yeah, seems fair. |
| 18:34.49 | Semlar | i could probably hook into the broken textures and hide them with a script |
| 18:35.01 | Yoshimo | which is totally fine, sometimes you see some kind of aerial picture instead, like the minimap just stitched together |
| 18:35.56 | Yoshimo | which reminds me, wasn't it foglight that did that? |
| 18:36.49 | Predicate | Yeah Semlar, why haven't you fixed all our problems with a Legion update to Foglight? |
| 18:37.39 | Semlar | because foxlit hasn't updated luacasc |
| 18:37.56 | Semlar | not that it would matter, the maps don't exist |
| 18:38.00 | Semlar | i can't really fix that |
| 18:38.15 | Predicate | Not with that attitude you can't! |
| 18:38.18 | Semlar | wellllll i did make a map that used minimap textures once |
| 18:38.25 | Semlar | so that would probably actually fix this |
| 18:38.34 | Semlar | assuming the minimap works |
| 18:38.56 | Semlar | but i guarantee they've changed the structure of the files since i did that |
| 18:39.03 | Semlar | so i couldn't just regenerate it |
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| 18:52.01 | Semlar | i mean the interior minimap textures, the terrain textures i could probably update relatively easily |
| 18:52.20 | Semlar | i just need to know the name of the new continent |
| 18:54.15 | Yoshimo | broken isles i guess, any way to know for sure? |
| 18:54.38 | Semlar | let's find out |
| 19:00.21 | Semlar | well it's not brokenisles |
| 19:05.11 | Semlar | seems to be.. troll raid.. |
| 19:07.10 | Semlar | predicate, yoshimo http://semlar.com/addons/Foglight.zip |
| 19:07.30 | Semlar | should maybe be able to use the terrain mode with that |
| 19:07.43 | Semlar | won't have the overlays |
| 19:08.05 | Semlar | and i overrode the part where it disables itself when it doesn't have map information |
| 19:08.15 | Semlar | so it probably won't work that great |
| 19:08.34 | Predicate | So what you're saying is, we should come to you for every little problem we have with it? |
| 19:08.46 | Semlar | good luck! |
| 19:09.35 | Yoshimo | i'll check after this hs match |
| 19:09.51 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/nzoB1KC.jpg |
| 19:10.32 | Semlar | also i only explicitly added one map id to this list so if those phased areas use something else it might not work |
| 19:11.29 | Semlar | i can't properly extract this the way i normally would |
| 19:12.36 | Semlar | i'll see what i can do about modifying the script |
| 19:13.55 | Predicate | That actually works surprisingly well for all the main zones. |
| 19:14.41 | Semlar | i'm not kidding about it being called "troll raid" |
| 19:19.25 | Yoshimo | why should you? |
| 19:21.23 | Semlar | it's an odd name for the broken isles |
| 19:21.34 | Predicate | Oh. Acherus is still eye-searing green, though. |
| 19:21.35 | Semlar | i've also never seen them use a space in a map name before |
| 19:22.00 | Semlar | try setting it to all terrain in the dropdown menu |
| 19:22.11 | Predicate | No good. |
| 19:22.31 | Semlar | what does /dump (GetMapAreaInfo(GetCurrentMapAreaID())) give you |
| 19:22.48 | Yoshimo | all terrain looks fine for most places, except the continent overview and dalaran |
| 19:23.18 | Predicate | An error. GetMapAreaInfo doesn't exist? |
| 19:23.52 | Semlar | um how about GetAreaMapInfo |
| 19:24.07 | Semlar | i can't remember this stupid function |
| 19:24.33 | Predicate | 1220, 7679, -1, 0, 0, ... |
| 19:24.39 | PhatsoTGT | Anyone here know whats the Name of the Tooltip that shows when hovering Gameobjects like the Shaman Stone or the Garrsion Resource Cache? |
| 19:24.44 | Predicate | Lots of zeroes. |
| 19:25.00 | Semlar | GameTooltip |
| 19:25.25 | Predicate | PhatsoTGT: It's GameTooltip, but that's set from C so your usual hooks may not work for those objects. |
| 19:26.07 | Semlar | is foglight even showing its dropdown menu on that map? |
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| 19:26.26 | Predicate | Yes, but there's no level dropdown, if that matters. |
| 19:26.38 | Semlar | no foglight should be overriding it |
| 19:26.45 | Semlar | i don't know why it isn't |
| 19:27.04 | PhatsoTGT | ye Predicate. |
| 19:27.05 | Semlar | what does /dump GetCurrentMapAreaID() give you |
| 19:27.34 | Predicate | 1101, false |
| 19:28.28 | Semlar | where is acherus |
| 19:28.32 | Semlar | on the continent map |
| 19:28.56 | Predicate | If you zoom in on one of the Broken Isles zones, you can select it from the dropdown at the top. |
| 19:29.07 | Predicate | Not sure how to view it otherwise |
| 19:29.13 | Semlar | you don't know where it is relative to the continent though? |
| 19:29.20 | Semlar | it may just not have a minimap |
| 19:29.39 | Semlar | well, a terrain minimap |
| 19:29.41 | Predicate | No idea. I'm not a very smart DK. |
| 19:29.58 | Semlar | might just be a building/indoor thing |
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| 19:40.00 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/Uw1xZzb.jpg |
| 19:43.24 | Semlar | huh, as far as i can tell acherus has no dimensions |
| 19:44.41 | Semlar | that might explain why it has no map |
| 19:47.01 | Semlar | Predicate: are you physically in acherus? |
| 19:47.35 | Predicate | Not at the moment |
| 19:47.54 | Semlar | would it be inconvenient to go back there and type /dump UnitPosition('player') |
| 19:48.13 | Predicate | A bit, considering I don't have a DK past the Broken Shores event yet. |
| 19:48.25 | Semlar | does a dk start there |
| 19:48.43 | Predicate | Let me just make one on the PVP server real quick |
| 19:48.48 | Semlar | i can make one |
| 19:49.25 | Predicate | The level 100 boost DKs have Death Gate, but it goes to the old Acherus in the Plaguelands, so not terribly useful |
| 19:49.53 | Semlar | how do you actually get to acherus |
| 19:50.05 | Semlar | it's the class hall or something? |
| 19:50.14 | Predicate | Yes |
| 19:50.27 | Semlar | that requires doing something? |
| 19:50.36 | Semlar | that sounds like a lot of work |
| 19:51.14 | Predicate | Relax, I did it already |
| 19:51.48 | Predicate | UnitPosition("player") returns -1444, 1158, 0, 1220 |
| 19:51.52 | Semlar | thanks |
| 19:52.19 | Predicate | Minimap definitely works fine, if that helps |
| 19:52.36 | Predicate | Both indoors and out. |
| 19:52.42 | Semlar | there's an outdoor area? |
| 19:52.55 | Semlar | like you can actually see the terrain on the minimap, not a black area |
| 19:53.02 | Predicate | Yeah, the balconies have outdoor minimap textures |
| 19:53.06 | Semlar | alright |
| 19:53.36 | Predicate | Also I figured out where Acherus actually is. It's that little blob on the eastern edge of the Broken Shore map. |
| 19:54.28 | Semlar | the problem is the map is returning zero for all of its offsets |
| 19:54.36 | Semlar | so my addon can't really handle that |
| 19:54.51 | Semlar | it doesn't know where the map is supposed to be displaying |
| 19:55.03 | Predicate | Cool! |
| 19:55.25 | Semlar | i could theoretically just use the player's position and display what's around you but that wouldn't really work for the world map |
| 19:55.37 | Semlar | that would be more like for a map that follows you around |
| 19:55.44 | Predicate | Like, say, a minimap? |
| 19:55.52 | Semlar | exactly! |
| 19:58.29 | Predicate | But since you know the player's coordinates within the world map, couldn't you use that to anchor the map textures? |
| 19:58.52 | Semlar | yes, but i'm not doing that for the world map |
| 19:59.10 | Semlar | it's not supposed to move around |
| 19:59.26 | Predicate | Yes, but you could, and then we would be free from the tyranny of Map IDs forever! |
| 20:01.24 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/4VFisBO.jpg |
| 20:02.50 | Predicate | Can't you pull the adjacent minimap tiles too? I thought I remembered your early Foglight experiments showing that |
| 20:03.14 | Predicate | Or were you using casc data for that? |
| 20:03.29 | Semlar | just how long have you been stalking me |
| 20:03.44 | Predicate | I plead the fifth. |
| 20:03.51 | Semlar | o.o |
| 20:04.13 | Semlar | http://imgur.com/a/ospQ3 |
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| 20:07.05 | Semlar | i don't really want to mess with luacasc too much if foxlit is going to add support for the new format anyway |
| 20:07.38 | Semlar | i don't even know how to add 24 bit int support to it |
| 20:08.28 | Semlar | actually that's a lie it probably wouldn't be too hard |
| 20:09.42 | Predicate | Ah, you've made it to the second step of your development process, I see |
| 20:09.56 | Semlar | acceptance? |
| 20:10.29 | Semlar | no step 2 is anger |
| 20:10.31 | Predicate | Nah. For you it's more like "Ugh, that sounds hard." "Actually, it's probably not that hard." "Maybe if I..." "Oops I coded a thing" |
| 20:11.55 | Semlar | the five stages of development are denial, anger, bargaining, depression and finally acceptance |
| 20:13.07 | NodusCursorius | Anger comes so soon on your list. |
| 20:13.17 | Semlar | i'm thinking about moving it to 1 |
| 20:13.20 | NodusCursorius | I don't reach anger until the dev looks at my patch and says "not bug won't fix" |
| 20:14.24 | NodusCursorius | If you move it to one you'll start drinking applejuice by the glass instead of by shots. |
| 20:14.33 | NodusCursorius | Don't do it, Semlar. What ever would we do without you. |
| 20:15.52 | Semlar | the bargaining stage is where i try to get foxlit to do it for me |
| 20:17.34 | NodusCursorius | So you're an angrier version of MunkDev |
| 20:18.08 | VIad | any tips how I can improve this? http://ss.bool.no/capture_1463515230.png |
| 20:18.25 | Semlar | more submenus |
| 20:18.37 | NodusCursorius | Predicate writes code for free, Semlar. All the time. You should ask. |
| 20:20.32 | Semlar | add enchant previews vlad |
| 20:20.49 | VIad | but legion has the journal |
| 20:21.02 | VIad | this is mostly to enhance the dressing room :p |
| 20:22.14 | Predicate | What about a way to revert a given slot to what it was showing previously? Sometimes I ctrl-click the wrong item and want to undo that |
| 20:24.50 | VIad | atm you can unequip all or specific slots |
| 20:24.58 | VIad | but havent yet added a revert function |
| 20:25.05 | VIad | tbh tracking changes done is a bit painful |
| 20:25.35 | Predicate | Well, at least a button to revert the slot to whatever you're currently wearing/mogging in that slot would be nice. |
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| 20:26.01 | alestane | struct Vertex { |
| 20:26.01 | alestane | GLfloat pos[x,y,z]; |
| 20:26.03 | alestane | GLfloat normal[x,y,z]; |
| 20:26.04 | alestane | GLubyte color[r, g, b, a]; |
| 20:26.05 | alestane | GLfloat uv[s,t,r,q]; |
| 20:26.06 | alestane | }; |
| 20:26.19 | foxlit | hello Calestane. |
| 20:26.24 | alestane | Is this some sort of new C++ syntactic sugar I'm not familiar with, or is my student smoking something? |
| 20:27.23 | alestane | It seems like it *could* be interpreted as struct pos { GLfloat x, y, z; }; etc., but I've never seen it before. |
| 20:27.50 | alestane | Or rather, struct { GLfloat x, y, z; } pos; |
| 20:30.34 | Semlar | i can't tell if they rearranged fields in the db2 files or if my script is way off |
| 20:31.18 | zenzelezz | alestane: could it be GLSL/HLSL or something? |
| 20:32.36 | alestane | zenzelezz, we did briefly touch on GLSL, but this was way before that, and if that was what they were writing, it should be float pos[x,y,z] (if that's even legal GLSL). |
| 20:32.59 | Semlar | how is it that they've managed to develop a banana that is starting to turn brown and yet still too ripe to eat |
| 20:32.59 | zenzelezz | alestane: I see |
| 20:33.30 | Semlar | i mean not ripe enough |
| 20:33.33 | Semlar | too green |
| 20:35.17 | Semlar | it has the consistency of a racquetball so they can transport it with minimal bruising |
| 20:35.49 | Semlar | but it's barely edible at this point |
| 20:35.56 | Simca | semlar: every db2 has had its fields radically rearranged |
| 20:36.00 | Semlar | alright |
| 20:36.25 | Simca | i can give you specific structures, which ones are you looking for? |
| 20:36.54 | Semlar | i was pulling the dimensions out of worldmapcontinent |
| 20:37.07 | Semlar | i got what i needed, but it wasn't in the order i expected |
| 20:37.53 | Semlar | bottom, right, top, left, mapID, no idea what's after that any more |
| 20:38.19 | Semlar | mapid seems to be a short now |
| 20:40.59 | Simca | field sizes and positions are in header in WDB5, so you can probably handle that part |
| 20:41.06 | Semlar | did you somehow add 24 bit integers to 010's inspector |
| 20:41.52 | Semlar | i couldn't figure out how to make a typedef for it |
| 20:42.00 | Simca | field names for that one are: continentOffset[2], scale, taxiMin[2], taxiMax[2], mapID, worldMapID, leftBoundary, rightBoundary, topBoundary, bottomBoundary, UNK_14 |
| 20:42.39 | Semlar | there is no way that's the order they are currently in |
| 20:42.51 | Simca | it is |
| 20:43.15 | Semlar | that's the order they used to be |
| 20:43.28 | Semlar | unless i'm parsing this backwards or something somehow |
| 20:43.30 | Simca | then they didn't change in that db2 |
| 20:44.17 | Simca | floats are pretty much always at the front, so i can confirm the structure seems logical |
| 20:44.36 | Semlar | it starts with 4 floats, but they're the bottom, right, top, left in that order |
| 20:44.45 | Simca | since it ends up being float[2], float, float[2], float[2], short, short, byte, byte, byte, byte, byte |
| 20:45.00 | Simca | are you accounting for arrays properly |
| 20:45.14 | Semlar | i'm not accounting for arrays at all |
| 20:45.34 | Semlar | so i would be surprised if i were doing it properly |
| 20:45.57 | Simca | array size is the the difference between the position of the current field and the position of the next field, divided by the size |
| 20:46.18 | Simca | so if the header says there is a field at pos 8 of size 1, and then the next field is at pos 16 |
| 20:46.28 | Simca | it means the field is byte[8] |
| 20:47.29 | Simca | (for the final field, there is no 'next field', so you use 'record_size' from the header as the end point) |
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| 20:53.06 | Semlar | so how do you know whether something is an array or 1 character |
| 20:53.23 | Semlar | compare the position of the next field? |
| 20:53.38 | Semlar | then what's the point of size |
| 20:59.53 | Simca | size is the field of an individual piece of the array |
| 21:00.06 | Simca | size is the size of an individual piece of the array* |
| 21:00.17 | Semlar | so it's not always 1? |
| 21:00.45 | Simca | no, for the floats in the file there, first field is size 4, pos 0 |
| 21:00.50 | Simca | second field is size 4, pos 8 |
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| 21:01.55 | Simca | so the first field is an array of ints or floats or strings |
| 21:02.05 | Simca | (since size is 4) |
| 21:12.43 | PhatsoTGT | that Hardcoded tooltip shit is killing me |
| 21:13.54 | Predicate | Join the club |
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| 21:16.13 | PhatsoTGT | i might end up hooking my shit to the FontString Text Changed inside the Tooltip |
| 21:16.16 | PhatsoTGT | kill me |
| 21:16.21 | Spriithy | Yo guys. |
| 21:16.23 | Semlar | what are you trying to do |
| 21:17.28 | PhatsoTGT | well apparently they hardcoded SetBackdrop / SetBackdropColor for GameObject Tooltips |
| 21:17.39 | Spriithy | I have a 'BasicFrameTemplate' but I would like to the background of it. |
| 21:18.03 | PhatsoTGT | you are missing a verb |
| 21:18.25 | Spriithy | Totes |
| 21:18.27 | Spriithy | 'change' |
| 21:18.47 | Spriithy | And this doesn't seem to work http://puu.sh/oVCLY/52edc8fc59.png |
| 21:20.09 | PhatsoTGT | the File is working at other places? |
| 21:20.33 | Semlar | bgFrame has no size |
| 21:20.40 | Spriithy | True that |
| 21:21.01 | Predicate | You don't need to create an entire frame for the background, you can just create the texture directly on your original frame. Or use SetBackdrop, which might be what you wanted originally. |
| 21:21.36 | PhatsoTGT | ye SetBackdrop might be the cleaner solution here |
| 21:21.41 | Spriithy | Ah? |
| 21:21.48 | Spriithy | Will have a look at the API then, thanks |
| 21:21.52 | Semlar | SetPoint('CENTER', sdm.UISheetFrame, 'CENTER', 0, 0) is the same as just writing SetPoint('CENTER') by the way |
| 21:23.01 | Spriithy | Ah. Good to know |
| 21:25.03 | Spriithy | And what if I don't want to change the initial frame borders ? |
| 21:25.45 | Predicate | You can leave out the edgeFile |
| 21:26.00 | Spriithy | Can I just give the texture location? |
| 21:26.16 | Spriithy | like, :SetBackdrop(file, insets) |
| 21:26.48 | PhatsoTGT | http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/API_Frame_SetBackdrop |
| 21:27.02 | Predicate | Close, try :SetBackdrop({ bgFile = "path/to/file", insets = { left = 1, right = 2, top = 3, bottom = 4} } |
| 21:27.42 | PhatsoTGT | just be aware that if you set edgeSize to < 1 weird Borders occur |
| 21:27.49 | Spriithy | Just a question |
| 21:28.07 | Spriithy | Are the insets the same calculation as in :SetTexCoord()? |
| 21:28.26 | Predicate | No, these insets are used as padding around the background image (to make room for the border) |
| 21:29.13 | Spriithy | Is 0 0 0 0 ok? |
| 21:29.23 | Spriithy | I mean, The texture must fit exaclty the insde |
| 21:29.26 | Predicate | yep, or you can simply leave out the insets table altogether |
| 21:29.32 | PhatsoTGT | ^^ |
| 21:29.52 | PhatsoTGT | just dont try edgeSize 0 because it defaults to 1 or something |
| 21:29.57 | PhatsoTGT | edgeSize 0 is baaaad |
| 21:30.01 | Spriithy | But.... Again, how do I tell where the texture is in the file? |
| 21:30.22 | Predicate | If you need to use TexCoords, SetBackdrop won't do the job |
| 21:30.34 | Spriithy | Hmm... |
| 21:30.44 | Spriithy | I've just been advised to use it |
| 21:30.47 | Spriithy | >.> |
| 21:31.15 | Predicate | Well, most background textures have their own files |
| 21:31.35 | Spriithy | Alright will try that then |
| 21:32.09 | Predicate | If you're using a texture from the default UI and you must carve it out with TexCoords, you can go the CreateTexture route; you'll probably have to fiddle with drawlayers to make sure it stays behind all the other stuff on the frame. |
| 21:32.35 | Spriithy | I have my own texture, but it doesn't fill a 512*512 image... |
| 21:33.10 | Spriithy | I mean, this is rather a preset background image than a texture. |
| 21:34.06 | Predicate | Ah, yes, if it's something that comes in an odd size you'd still need the TexCoords |
| 21:37.15 | Spriithy | Ah.. now I know why this isn't going to be a good solution |
| 21:37.24 | Spriithy | dw |
| 22:21.14 | fewyn | Anyone have an addon that will destroy stupid items automatically? (AQ non-vendor scarabs and crap?) |
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| 22:43.44 | foxlit | Simca: (for the final field, there is no 'next field', so you use 'record_size' from the header as the end point) |
| 22:44.09 | foxlit | Unfortunately, this doesn't match db2meta from earlier. |
| 22:46.10 | Elmoe | does anyone know in Legion how you use GetTalentInfo() for a non-active spec? |
| 22:46.20 | Elmoe | it seems that the "spec group index" is always 1 now |
| 22:47.53 | Semlar | yeah this definitely doesn't line up with the csv file for what i'm trying to read |
| 22:49.08 | Semlar | i have to be parsing this wrong |
| 22:49.54 | Semlar | "float[2], float, float[2], float[2], int16, int16, byte, byte, byte, byte, byte" doesn't just mean 7 floats followed by 2 shorts? |
| 22:50.07 | Semlar | and some bytes |
| 22:52.19 | foxlit | yes. |
| 22:52.55 | Semlar | oh i see it skips offsets for some reason |
| 22:54.01 | foxlit | You were told this, you know. |
| 22:54.06 | Semlar | yeah but i wasn't listening |
| 22:54.32 | foxlit | leading by example <3 |
| 22:54.46 | foxlit | now, how is my sandvich coming along? |
| 22:54.58 | Semlar | i had some cheese and crackers actually |
| 22:55.22 | Semlar | i should probably go to the store, i'm running out of food |
| 22:58.12 | Semlar | eh no this still doesn't make any sense |
| 22:58.41 | Semlar | because even without the offsets i'm unpacking the data with a signature that should match the data |
| 23:00.46 | Semlar | maybe i have the offset of the entire row wrong |
| 23:02.20 | Semlar | is this offset map entry thing important |
| 23:04.54 | foxlit | key sandvich component, really. |
| 23:04.57 | Semlar | did he say where this was actually supposed to be located |
| 23:05.22 | foxlit | there isn't one in WorldMapContinent |
| 23:05.31 | Semlar | ah |
| 23:05.48 | Semlar | but the "string table size" turns into that if it exists |
| 23:06.13 | fewyn | https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3053711 |
| 23:06.29 | Semlar | To resolve the issue, do not create a user account contains the string "user" on the computer. |
| 23:07.01 | Semlar | i think they accidentally a word |
| 23:07.34 | foxlit | probably http://pastebin.com/YMH7BmtS anyway |
| 23:08.07 | Semlar | i have like.. 12 bytes at the start of my data that shouldn't be there |
| 23:08.48 | foxlit | so add 12? |
| 23:11.18 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.57 | foxlit | ... that is amusing. |
| 23:13.40 | Semlar | i clearly have the offsets of the rows wrong but i'm not sure why yet |
| 23:13.47 | foxlit | shrödinger's bytes: you both know and don't know what they are, at the same time. |
| 23:17.56 | Semlar | i mean, i could just add 12 to the header size, but that seems like a bad way to handle this |
| 23:21.06 | foxlit | so why is it 80? |
| 23:22.01 | Semlar | i basically just have hsize + 4 * rows |
| 23:23.22 | foxlit | which would basically just be wrong. |
| 23:23.30 | Semlar | evidently |
| 23:23.43 | Semlar | it should be fields |
| 23:23.57 | foxlit | at this rate I'll never get a sandvich :( |
| 23:24.07 | Semlar | that explains a lot |
| 23:24.26 | Semlar | i don't know why i had rows there |
| 23:24.56 | Semlar | so what exactly are min and maxId for |
| 23:26.12 | Semlar | is it for the strings? |
| 23:26.45 | Semlar | when you have an offset map |
| 23:29.06 | Semlar | why am i even working on this, you probably have this considerably farther along |
| 23:31.17 | foxlit | misery loves company |
| 23:32.42 | Semlar | how many files actually have inline strings because all of the ones i've been messing with have string blocks |
| 23:33.56 | foxlit | one. |
| 23:34.13 | foxlit | the other instances of the offset structure are just there to fuck with you. |
| 23:34.28 | Semlar | i knew it |
| 23:35.42 | foxlit | it's still unclear why you'd ever want to actually use inline strings. |
| 23:36.08 | Semlar | seems pointless if they already have a system in place to use string blocks |
| 23:36.40 | Semlar | also inconsistent |
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| 23:37.20 | Stanzilla | that's a good summary of blizzard code actually |
| 23:37.24 | Stanzilla | "inconsistent" |
| 23:37.55 | Semlar | well, another game i was parsing has inline strings but they're preceded by 4 bytes with the string length so it's pretty easy to read |
| 23:38.15 | foxlit | meh, that isn't better. |
| 23:39.05 | foxlit | it's not like it's :match("%Z*", ofs) that's the problem. |
| 23:41.14 | Semlar | what are these 1 byte things even supposed to be |
| 23:41.23 | Semlar | 8 bit integers? |
| 23:42.01 | foxlit | 8-bit floats would be amusing. |
| 23:42.23 | Semlar | well i assume they aren't chars |
| 23:42.32 | nevcairiel | chars are just 8-bit integers tho |
| 23:42.37 | Semlar | ! |
| 23:43.30 | foxlit | shocking truth. |
| 23:43.59 | Semlar | my whole life is a lie |
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| 23:47.07 | Semlar | well a char can't be signed can it that would be madness |
| 23:47.53 | nevcairiel | signed chars are a thing |
| 23:48.03 | nevcairiel | US ASCII is only 7-bit for a reason |
| 23:50.46 | foxlit | what reason is that? |
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| 23:52.42 | nevcairiel | technically because our forfathers from 100 years ago were cheapskates and more bits cost more money |
| 23:53.56 | nevcairiel | and 128 symbols out to be enough for everyone |
| 23:54.23 | Semlar | i stop reading past 26 |
| 23:54.25 | znf | symbols are, like. the shit bro |
| 23:54.59 | Semlar | yeah it's like they never even considered emojis |
| 23:55.08 | vincentSDSH | In their defense, they were probably trying to get some work done. |
| 23:56.59 | znf | so... |
| 23:57.23 | znf | In other news |
| 23:57.33 | znf | my mom is getting a histerectomy tomorow |
| 23:57.37 | znf | I'm scared shitless |
| 23:58.15 | vincentSDSH | Um...I'd have thought you'd have exited the uterus by now... |
| 23:58.22 | Semlar | yeah you'll be fine |
| 23:58.37 | vincentSDSH | I know it was your first home and all but... |
| 23:58.50 | znf | cancer is not something I tought I would think about in my lifetime |
