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| 01:55.07 | pompy | ohh damn http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/breaking-78-magnitude-earthquake-rattles-ecuador/56759949 |
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| 02:19.33 | ccox | overwatch should be called âover-disconnected-from-serverâ |
| 02:20.11 | ccox | I think the longest it held a conneection was 4 minutes. |
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| 02:27.18 | Amarande | ccox: well, if there's one thing blizzard regularly drops the ball on lately it seems to be anticipating major load :S |
| 02:27.40 | Amarande | the d3 launch for instance, or the fact that savvy wow players nowadays make a point not to try to raid on major patch nights |
| 02:28.10 | ccox | They could just have a bad load balancer, or a bad connection â or they could have stressed the servers artificially to see where it fails. |
| 02:28.11 | Amarande | although I suppose you can't really win in the case of MMOs (doubt there's an excuse for D3 or Overwatch though) |
| 02:28.36 | ccox | But the end result is that I wasnât able to play long enough to get a feel for the game, or even complete the intro quests. |
| 02:29.32 | ccox | So it leaves me wanting to wait a few weeks/months to see when it stabilizes and if other people think it is decent. AKA Blizzard loses my money. |
| 02:29.44 | Amarande | mind you, I can't play Battle.net games at the moment anyway |
| 02:29.59 | Amarande | I played D3 in Wine/PlayOnLinux for a while, but it seems the latest Bnet client update borked it on linux :( |
| 02:30.21 | Amarande | you get the main client screen & then a crash dialog |
| 02:30.53 | Amarande | so I'm just going to play the BG and Icewind Dale enhanced editions for the time being and get back on bnet when I have my windows tower again :) |
| 02:31.37 | ccox | This is why I have multiple machines. |
| 02:35.40 | Amarande | Yeah, at the moment RL is a bit odd, once I'm settled in at my fiancee's place I'll be able to use the tower PC again |
| 02:35.46 | Amarande | at the moment, it's just my T420 with Debian |
| 02:35.58 | Amarande | GoG FTW, though :) |
| 03:02.16 | Rythal | considering this was to be a stress test weekend for the game, I would say mission accomplished if your having problems. |
| 03:03.05 | ccox | theyâre supposed to be able to handle the load, so they failed and have serious work to do before release. |
| 03:03.44 | ccox | Plus now they have to win back all the gamers they just lost. |
| 03:04.49 | Rythal | Why would they be lost? we broke the servers, now they can fix the problems before launch.. i'm sure we will see another stress test before open beta |
| 03:07.07 | kullervo | they stress tested to see how big the maximum load would be, what do you not understand about stress testing |
| 03:07.45 | kullervo | quakenet had a stress test some years ago and they expected people to use scripts to introduce more load on services |
| 03:08.39 | kullervo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.49 | Iriel | I wouldn't put it past them to start removing server capacity to see where the breaking point is. |
| 03:10.07 | Iriel | That's what I'D do anyway. |
| 03:11.12 | Amarande | kullervo: which is the logical scenario pretty much anyway :) |
| 03:11.26 | Amarande | either you have a server pool so every time there's peak activity you have to consider how stressful it is |
| 03:11.33 | Iriel | It was pretty unplayable for me during the first hour or so after 9am yesterday, then it kinda stabilized. |
| 03:11.50 | Amarande | or you have loads and loads of realms like WoW ... in which case as WoW has shown, everyone tends to pile onto a relative handful of them, so you *still* get stress |
| 03:12.06 | Iriel | Really a stress test isn't that useful if nothing breaks. |
| 03:12.13 | Iriel | Because you haven't found where the weak spots are. |
| 03:12.35 | Iriel | When you have infrastructure that can take massive load, frequently you do stress testing on only a subset of it |
| 03:12.40 | Iriel | so that you can find those breaking points. |
| 03:16.15 | Gnarfoz | kullervo: "second and last stress-test weekend" |
| 03:16.24 | Gnarfoz | but open beta isn't far away in any case |
| 03:17.26 | Gnarfoz | (and if you think this is normal, ccox, I've had maybe 2 disconnects or so over the 6 months of closed beta - this was clearly intentional ^^) |
| 03:31.30 | fewyn | i played for about 3 hours this morning |
| 03:31.34 | fewyn | no disconnects |
| 03:31.42 | fewyn | from like 9am EST to 12pm |
| 03:31.58 | fewyn | not prime time towards the end of the test tho |
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| 04:45.38 | mckenziemc | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/no#Anagrams |
| 05:01.33 | ccox | Gnarfoz - no, not intentional, they have problems |
| 05:01.49 | ccox | gnarfoz - you donât intentionally have really bad experiences when showing off your new game |
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| 07:07.38 | Rythal | Boo.. I wanted to get in some more, didn't realize the test was ending 3 hours ago |
| 07:08.17 | mckenziemc | overwatch? |
| 07:08.32 | Rythal | yeah |
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| 07:15.45 | Simca | to interested parties: https://wowdev.wiki/DB2#WDB5_.28.db2.29 |
| 07:17.05 | Simca | newest db2 format for Legion, main differences: 3-byte integer support, fieldcount now counts arrays as '1' field, and there is some field size and offset information included in the file. |
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| 07:46.57 | Torhal | offsets Simca to account for Semlar's losses. |
| 07:47.09 | Semlar | :( |
| 07:47.11 | Simca | stores Torhal in a 3-byte integer. |
| 07:47.29 | Torhal | stores Simca in a long long long. |
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| 07:52.23 | Simca | counting arrays as '1' field is the change that wrecked everything, if people are interested in the 'why' behind DB sites being super slow this patch |
| 07:53.52 | Simca | nobody ever used the fields in DB files as arrays before this. RDBMSes aren't compatible with arrays directly either, which doesn't help. |
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| 16:44.03 | Gnarfoz_ | ccox: if you say so. |
| 16:44.30 | Gnarfoz_ | ccox: if you mistook an invite-only stress-test of their beta version of a game for a demo ("showing off your new game") then maybe they should have invited someone else in the first place |
| 16:45.28 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: I got in, desipte my beta settings clearly showing that I have a Mac. |
| 16:45.37 | Torhal | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 16:45.40 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: that was months and months ago |
| 16:45.51 | Torhal | They're still emailing me about it :/ |
| 16:46.03 | Gnarfoz | well, they're giving you a lot of time to finally get a real computer |
| 16:46.06 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 16:46.09 | Torhal | :P |
| 16:46.58 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: unfortunately many people have that impression of beta tests |
| 16:47.18 | Gnarfoz | and most beta tests of recent history have reinforced that |
| 16:47.28 | Gnarfoz | (not this one, though) |
| 16:48.05 | nevcairiel | yeah many companies also use it like that |
| 16:48.24 | nevcairiel | a cheap way to demo their game |
| 16:50.16 | Gnarfoz | if they have real problems, we'll see that in 2.5 weeks ^^ |
| 16:50.21 | Fisker | overwatch beta isn't for anything else than that either |
| 16:50.46 | Neffi | replaces Torhal's computer with his own. |
| 16:50.51 | Neffi | enjoy! |
| 16:51.05 | Gnarfoz | clearly, that's why they've been making big changes throughout |
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| 16:51.18 | nevcairiel | if they wanted to actively promote the game only, they would invite more people |
| 16:51.39 | nevcairiel | the open beta serves that purpose to some degree |
| 16:51.42 | Gnarfoz | that, too :p the player pool is so small it could be almost considered detrimental ^^ |
| 16:51.44 | nevcairiel | but nothing that happend until now |
| 16:51.48 | Fisker | Not really |
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| 16:52.06 | nevcairiel | sometimes you dont even find games quickly because of the lack of players |
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| 16:57.23 | Torhal | abbreviates Neffi. |
| 16:57.56 | Neffi | Torhal, should I buy a PS4? |
| 16:58.25 | foxlit | why not buy a PS/2 instead? |
| 16:58.42 | Torhal | You should buy an OS/2, Neffi. |
| 16:58.55 | Neffi | you guiz |
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| 17:12.24 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.17 | zenzelezz | ? |
| 17:16.43 | foxlit | odd choice of product image |
| 17:17.37 | Arrowmaster | thinking about ordering a custom printed google live case for my new nexus, thoughts? http://imgur.com/skfLi5I |
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| 17:23.17 | Fisker | Yeah I hate you Arrowmaster |
| 17:23.18 | Fisker | <3 |
| 17:23.21 | Fisker | also hey Seerah |
| 17:23.37 | Seerah | hi, Fisker |
| 17:24.48 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: why is it us only? |
| 17:24.52 | Fisker | Yes |
| 17:25.15 | Arrowmaster | ship it to me and ill forward it |
| 17:26.17 | Fisker | Can't even order it to an US shipping address |
| 17:32.15 | mckenziemc | poor Fisker |
| 17:32.32 | mckenziemc | also hey Fisker |
| 17:41.12 | fewyn | i don't think blizzard understands what the word weekend means |
| 17:41.37 | Trela | I am having Mercy withdrawals. |
| 17:44.53 | fewyn | i only played a couple hours yesterday |
| 17:45.11 | fewyn | junkrat and dva i think are my favs |
| 17:45.30 | Gnarfoz | they didn't say weekend :P |
| 17:45.39 | Gnarfoz | 36 hours |
| 17:45.42 | fewyn | yes they did! |
| 17:46.07 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/IYdFSV2.png |
| 17:46.13 | Gnarfoz | "The beta weekend runs from Friday, April 15th at 9 AM PDT until Saturday, April 16th at 9 PM PDT." |
| 17:46.59 | Trela | Gnarfoz is correct. |
| 17:47.20 | Seerah | Dangit... I was gonna play hubby in a match, but we didn't get to it yesterday before the servers crashed and we needed to go out. |
| 17:47.22 | fewyn | weekend does not end on saturday! |
| 17:47.47 | Seerah | ^^ |
| 17:48.28 | Trela | Well, in the USA technically there are two weekends every week and Sunday is part of a different weekend. |
| 17:49.02 | Seerah | No, Sunday is part of the same weekend as the Saturday that precedes it. |
| 17:49.29 | Trela | Not in programming. |
| 17:49.37 | fewyn | you're programming wrong |
| 17:49.47 | Seerah | Then say "Well, in programming technically there are two weekends" |
| 17:49.53 | Trela | Time is hard. |
| 17:50.07 | Trela | (People don't understand a troll when they see one.) |
| 17:50.11 | foxlit | weeks start on monday. |
| 17:50.12 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/eJEBS5h.jpg elegiggle |
| 17:50.16 | Seerah | ~lart Trela |
| 17:50.16 | purl | moos at Trela |
| 17:50.23 | zenzelezz | you can't say that *anything* is correct (or wrong) in date/time coding |
| 17:50.32 | zenzelezz | I'm looking at you, Java, and your 0-based months |
| 17:51.06 | Seerah | 0-based anything makes no sense to me. The first item in an array is at index 0. /blech |
| 17:51.47 | zenzelezz | it makes sense if you just think of it as offsets of memory addresses (which is basically what they are, or at least were in the old days), but yeah |
| 17:51.52 | Trela | That is because it is binary based so it is starting at 0000000 or whatever bit length is being used. |
| 17:51.55 | Seerah | (Sorry, my students have been going over JavaScript and Python. It's been building up...) |
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| 18:02.51 | Semlar | reindexes seerah |
| 18:04.53 | Gnarfoz | migrates Seerah to ElasticSearch |
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| 18:15.23 | Arrowmaster | try to get this live cases site to actually work is a pain, having to allow everything through ublock and umatrix, and then theres a popup that got blocked by chrome |
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| 18:26.47 | fewyn | umatrix? |
| 18:27.11 | Gnarfoz | wowmatrix |
| 18:27.14 | Gnarfoz | but for your browser |
| 18:27.24 | fewyn | interesting |
| 18:27.52 | zenzelezz | advanced content blocker, IIRC |
| 18:28.23 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure how much more I want blocked than UO already allows ^^ |
| 18:32.00 | Arrowmaster | "Leaves warehouse in 5-6 weeks." yeah not sure im ok with that |
| 18:34.04 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: what's that? |
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| 18:41.16 | Arrowmaster | for the google live case |
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| 19:56.54 | Arrowmaster | ive had a 66n for almost a year now i still havent setup to replace my wrt54gl |
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| 23:16.34 | Neffi | don't try and use logic against me |
| 23:16.58 | Semlar | what do you need a couch for |
| 23:17.05 | Semlar | are you seeing other people? |
| 23:17.19 | Neffi | i want to be able to sit and also, yes, see other people |
| 23:17.31 | Neffi | preferably see them in my peripheral vision while we watch TV or play video games together |
| 23:17.55 | Semlar | i don't know you any more |
| 23:18.08 | Neffi | nice to meet you, I'm Neffi |
| 23:18.43 | Semlar | there was some guy on the forum pretending to be a bunch of other people |
| 23:18.55 | Neffi | what |
| 23:19.16 | Semlar | pc..tweaks.. |
| 23:19.31 | Semlar | wait his threads are gone |
| 23:19.33 | Semlar | aw |
| 23:19.45 | Semlar | cairenn did you delete them |
| 23:19.53 | Cairenn | yes |
| 23:19.56 | Semlar | lol |
| 23:20.34 | Neffi | Semlar, do you think an Ikea sofa bed would be OK for my back? |
| 23:20.46 | Semlar | i think you should sleep on the skulls of your vanquished enemies |
| 23:20.59 | Neffi | there aren't enough of those though |
| 23:21.01 | Semlar | but barring that, i guess a memory foam mattress would be okay |
| 23:21.32 | Semlar | what if you just made a bed out of pillows |
| 23:22.02 | Neffi | I have a memory foam mattress now and it's really not that great |
| 23:22.30 | Semlar | i think my mattress is older than i am |
| 23:24.34 | Neffi | Semlar: what's some other cheap furniture besides Ikea? |
| 23:24.46 | Semlar | there are a million mattress places everywhere |
| 23:24.58 | Semlar | you're looking for a pullout bed? |
| 23:25.16 | Neffi | I'm looking for anything that combines a bed and a sofa so I can have both in a single room |
| 23:25.36 | Iriel | There's always a futon but that might not do your back any favors |
| 23:25.37 | Semlar | i guess a futon would be the simplest |
| 23:26.28 | Iriel | I had one for a while, back when I was a starving former student. |
| 23:26.32 | Semlar | i personally don't like sleeping on something that people have been sitting on gaming |
| 23:27.51 | Semlar | a futon is heavy but so is a god damn pullout bed |
| 23:28.11 | Semlar | although i guess once it's in place it's not really a problem |
| 23:28.45 | Neffi | it's not like I can move once I sign a year lease |
| 23:28.50 | Semlar | i almost got a therapist couch for a bed once |
| 23:29.04 | Semlar | it just looked like such a good idea at the time |
| 23:29.13 | Neffi | I like properly sitting, not that kind of awkward half-sit/half-lay that long couches make you do |
| 23:29.48 | Semlar | you should just start sleeping in your chair |
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| 23:29.57 | Semlar | like leon the professional |
| 23:30.15 | Neffi | no |
| 23:30.45 | Semlar | don't you want to be ready for anything? |
| 23:31.08 | Neffi | i want to be ready for a good night's sleep |
| 23:32.05 | Semlar | i've slept on a futon before and i don't know if that's how i'd describe the experience |
| 23:32.43 | Semlar | what about just a little shiki futon |
| 23:33.06 | Neffi | That looks like a mattress to me |
| 23:33.18 | Neffi | if I'm gonna have people sitting on a mattress I'll just stick to a bed |
| 23:33.32 | Semlar | uh it's just like a short pad to sleep on |
| 23:33.37 | Semlar | you roll it up |
| 23:33.47 | Torhal | Just get a Casper, Neffi. |
| 23:33.57 | Neffi | the friendly ghost? |
| 23:34.01 | Neffi | how is he going to help me? |
| 23:34.04 | Torhal | https://casper.com/mattresses |
| 23:34.12 | Torhal | Now let me tgo to sleep, you fiend. |
| 23:34.18 | Torhal | I suppose I should finish eating, first. |
| 23:34.30 | foxlit | no, you can do that when you sleep. |
| 23:34.35 | Semlar | i don't think he's looking to spend that kind of money on a mattress and then also get a couch |
| 23:34.58 | Neffi | No, you don't understand |
| 23:35.01 | Torhal | This is Neffi we're talking about, Semlar. You're saying we should make sense? |
| 23:35.08 | Neffi | It's one or the other. I'm renting a single room. I can't fit a bed + couch |
| 23:35.12 | foxlit | futon is apparently weird |
| 23:35.17 | Semlar | yes you can |
| 23:35.31 | foxlit | in that it both does and doesn't involve furniture. |
| 23:35.43 | Semlar | you get a matt you can roll out like this http://www.amazon.com/J-Life-Japanese-Traditional-Shiki-Futon/dp/B001P4ZO4C and just put it away |
| 23:36.18 | Neffi | I don't want that Semlar |
| 23:36.25 | Neffi | that just looks awkward |
| 23:36.30 | Semlar | i don't know if i'd put a couch in a single room anyway |
| 23:36.56 | Neffi | should my guests sit on my bed to watch TV? |
| 23:37.05 | Semlar | no you should go to their house |
| 23:37.10 | Neffi | that is a good idea |
| 23:37.13 | Neffi | anyway I want a couch |
| 23:37.18 | foxlit | doesn't particularly matter how weird it looks. |
| 23:37.40 | Neffi | That's not what I mean by awkward |
| 23:38.06 | Neffi | I mean, mechanically awkward. Like, I have to manage this big, difficult thing, and maneuver it into all sorts of positions and stuff |
| 23:38.13 | Semlar | i used to have a futon with a wooden frame that you could let down the back on to turn it into a bed |
| 23:38.23 | foxlit | 'uncomfortable' |
| 23:38.27 | foxlit | though dunno why I read weird. |
| 23:38.48 | Semlar | but if you had the back up against the wall you'd have to pull it out every time you wanted to let it down |
| 23:38.56 | foxlit | hm, or not. I should sleep. |
| 23:39.10 | Neffi | I could position is such that that wasn't an issue |
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| 23:43.05 | Torhal | Assume the position, Neffi, or there's going to be an issue. |
| 23:43.14 | Neffi | :| |
| 23:43.37 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.59 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.44 | Neffi | hmm, West Elm has a nice looking one, and surprisingly it doesn't cost an arm and leg |
| 23:47.45 | Semlar | have you considered just not having friends |
| 23:47.49 | Neffi | I have |
| 23:47.49 | Neffi | yes |
| 23:47.55 | Neffi | I still want a couch for me |
| 23:49.17 | Semlar | well, when you don't own a tv a couch isn't a very useful piece of furniture |
| 23:50.13 | Neffi | I will be buying a TV as well |
| 23:50.19 | Neffi | Otherwise I would agree |
| 23:50.24 | Semlar | i have a couch here that i don't use for anything |
| 23:50.45 | Semlar | the cat uses it for a bed i suppose |
| 23:50.49 | Neffi | I think maybe I will go to the Ikea place and lay on one of their ones in-store |
| 23:50.57 | Neffi | It ought to be broken in and give me a good idea of what to expect |
| 23:52.34 | Semlar | i don't know what my futon was filled with but it was heavy as lead and felt like sleeping on a sandbag |
| 23:52.58 | Semlar | i think it may have actually been a bag of sand |
| 23:54.55 | Neffi | Do you mean that it's firm, or you sink in? |
| 23:55.04 | Semlar | it was firm |
| 23:55.20 | Semlar | the ones on target's website say they're like 40-60 pounds which is not even close to how heavy mine was |
