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| 01:48.10 | Primer | I know it's still possible to use icons in some chat channels, but can arbitrary icons be added to, say, instance chat? |
| 01:49.15 | Primer | Not things like {x} but full paths to icons, like |TInterface\\blablabla |
| 01:57.24 | nebula | no |
| 02:00.14 | Primer | that's unfortunate |
| 02:05.29 | Shirik | no |
| 02:05.30 | Shirik | no it is not |
| 02:09.14 | nebula | i remember that one day people could put the follower portraits in chat /shakeshead |
| 02:10.28 | nebula | and spell icons and shit apparently |
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| 02:17.35 | Stanzilla | that was fun |
| 02:43.17 | mckenziemc | hey Shirik |
| 02:43.40 | mckenziemc | which weighs more, a kilogram of lead or a kilogram of feathers |
| 02:44.55 | mckenziemc | until the lead reaches terminal velocity, the feathers weigh more |
| 02:54.08 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
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| 03:05.43 | Shirik | hey mckenziemc hey Fisker |
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| 08:36.18 | karl_w_w | ah yes, spending time to optimise time usage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn8ExQ2Gjg |
| 09:08.51 | Gnarfoz | I love Taran |
| 09:10.50 | Gnarfoz | skipping through the video, that does seem rather bodge-y :D there's relegendable keycaps for stuff like this (but maybe his base keyboard doesn't use MX mounts) |
| 09:28.57 | FireSiku | The base keyboard is a $20 cheapo membrane keyboard from what I saw. |
| 09:29.54 | FireSiku | haha "Does the keyboard finally have the Any key?" |
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| 12:37.10 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
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| 13:23.24 | Ressy | morning |
| 14:09.52 | foxlit | morning, Ressy. |
| 14:13.35 | foxlit | Your free mandatory math question of the day: given three ranges [a1, b1], [a2, b2], [a3, b3], calculate the number of unique triples (x, y, z) where x, y, and z are pairwise distinct integers within [a1, b1], [a2, b2], [a3, b3] respectively. |
| 14:16.09 | foxlit | and for extra credit: ... and x < y < z. |
| 14:22.56 | Gnarfoz | weird, my vision just went all blurry for a bit and my IRC client crashed... did foxlit write some weird puzzle again? |
| 14:33.11 | foxlit | if it makes you any happier, I just want a function that behaves like this: http://pastebin.com/wmgLygq9 and takes like constant time. |
| 14:37.00 | nevcairiel | an algorithm like that will always scale with the size of the ranges, you should consider yourself lucky if you can make it anything better than O(n^3) =p |
| 14:38.13 | Ressy | no math for me today. |
| 14:38.20 | foxlit | nevcairiel: boo. |
| 14:39.02 | foxlit | This just calls for more technical assumptions: assume you have constant-time arithmetic operators available. Still Omega(n^3)? |
| 14:39.43 | nevcairiel | you cna probably come up with something fancy smart to reduce it to a smaller factor, but its not going to become O(1) |
| 14:41.07 | foxlit | Here's a simpler version: given an integer N > 0, count the number of unique triples (x, y, z) where x,y,z are pairwise distinct postive interes <= N and x < y < z. |
| 14:41.46 | foxlit | I would claim this is in O(1). |
| 14:42.20 | nevcairiel | if you can find a formula that just takes N and spits out a number, sure. if it needs a loop, then not |
| 14:43.14 | nevcairiel | but yes this one should be possible |
| 14:44.27 | Gnarfoz | moments like these are how I know I wouldn't have made it far in math |
| 14:45.38 | nevcairiel | some binomial should be able to spit out an answer, i would hope |
| 14:46.16 | foxlit | or some combination of binomials. |
| 14:46.27 | foxlit | since I'm both asking for a combination and restricting the ordering. |
| 14:48.30 | foxlit | but the point is, there certainly isn't an n^3 difference between the simple and non-simple versions -- it just requires some additional accounting for how the three ranges overlap. |
| 14:49.05 | nevcairiel | a binominal doesnt care about the order, and it doesnt allow duplicates, so the order condition is irrelevant since you can just re-order them |
| 14:49.57 | foxlit | right; sorry, that was me thinking too much about permutations. |
| 14:50.21 | nevcairiel | so maybe its as simple as N choose 3 |
| 14:51.05 | nevcairiel | or N! / 3!(N-3)! |
| 14:51.18 | nevcairiel | now the question is if you have a constant time factorial =p |
| 14:51.29 | foxlit | this does not require a constant-time factorial |
| 14:51.38 | foxlit | it's just n(n-1)(n-2)/6 |
| 14:52.14 | nevcairiel | right you can simplify this greatly |
| 14:53.20 | nevcairiel | but this was easy because its a single range, no idea about the original one |
| 14:53.24 | nevcairiel | been years since i did such math |
| 14:54.10 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: honestly, it sounds worse than it actually is. |
| 14:55.03 | nevcairiel | i was good at this stuff 10 years ago, it just fades away |
| 14:55.09 | nevcairiel | never use it |
| 14:55.27 | foxlit | this came up in actual code, so :P |
| 14:55.37 | nevcairiel | you write crazy things |
| 14:55.41 | nevcairiel | we all know that |
| 14:55.56 | foxlit | it's just estimating the amount of work the loop version would have to do. |
| 14:56.27 | foxlit | which I kind of need for... a progress bar. Crazy! |
| 15:01.49 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: it certainly does, mostly because I'm already having a hard time even understanding the question. ^^ |
| 15:02.00 | Gnarfoz | abstract problems like that were never my thing |
| 15:03.02 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: just do what everyone else does: fake the progress bar and just do all the work while it's sitting at 99% |
| 15:05.54 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: thats why math teachers always had to use analogies to teach such things, often using cards or dice =p |
| 15:06.23 | nevcairiel | the second literally just is "a deck of cards with N cards, I draw 3, how many combinations are possible" |
| 15:06.36 | nevcairiel | the first is more complex |
| 15:09.25 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: did you see, you can buy FTTH from telekom now, if you're a millionaire |
| 15:10.17 | Gnarfoz | I did not, where at" |
| 15:10.21 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 15:10.32 | nevcairiel | http://blog.telekom.com/2016/04/07/mehr-breitband-fuer-mich/ |
| 15:10.40 | nevcairiel | you just buy the price of construction |
| 15:10.45 | nevcairiel | s/buy/pay/ |
| 15:10.53 | Gnarfoz | my brother has had FTTH from DTAG for some years now |
| 15:10.57 | foxlit | broadly, there are (b1-a1+1)(b2-a2+1)(b3-a3+1) triples (x,y,z) drawn from the ranges. Some of those need to be disqualified for various reasons. |
| 15:11.33 | Gnarfoz | at no cost apart from the regular monthly price... but he lives in one of their pilot programme areas |
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| 15:11.44 | nevcairiel | yeah they covered that then |
| 15:12.10 | nevcairiel | its also relatively cheap if you are building a new house anyway and choose to get fiber instead of copper for the initial connection |
| 15:13.29 | nevcairiel | (that part would be in here http://blog.telekom.com/2016/01/25/glasfaser-hausanschluss/) |
| 15:14.24 | nevcairiel | but if you have to pay for them to retrofit your hosue with fiber, you pay for that |
| 15:14.31 | nevcairiel | thousands or so they claim |
| 15:17.24 | kullervo | what if they deliver the materials and you install them? |
| 15:17.45 | nevcairiel | because you can just dig up the street to get to the distribution point? =p |
| 15:18.09 | kullervo | digging the street up isn't "retrofitting the house" |
| 15:18.13 | Gnarfoz | well, doing it after the fact is never particularly cheap |
| 15:18.37 | nevcairiel | clearly you have to get the fiber into the house first |
| 15:18.50 | kullervo | and isn't there some other cabling already |
| 15:18.59 | nevcairiel | the construction work is likely the most expensive of all |
| 15:19.01 | kullervo | they have pipes from access points |
| 15:19.11 | Gnarfoz | not into your house |
| 15:19.30 | nevcairiel | if an empty pipe would exist where they can put the line, its likely going to reduce the costs |
| 15:19.33 | kullervo | depends on the area yeah |
| 15:20.05 | Gnarfoz | "if" and "would" don't go on the same side of the comma, nev! :O |
| 15:20.44 | Gnarfoz | :D one of the few random things I learned from our company-sponsored English lessons (when those existed) |
| 15:20.50 | foxlit | that sounds bogus |
| 15:20.53 | nevcairiel | I can show you a coma |
| 15:21.12 | foxlit | if you would be so kind as to agree, Gnarfoz? |
| 15:21.20 | Gnarfoz | that's cheating |
| 15:21.48 | Gnarfoz | that's not the same kind of construction! |
| 15:22.35 | Gnarfoz | ("if an empty pipe existed, it would likely reduce the costs" is the kind of thing I meant) |
| 15:23.04 | nevcairiel | that would changed meaning though |
| 15:23.11 | nevcairiel | its not the same |
| 15:23.57 | Gnarfoz | I left out some words to not have to type as much on my crazy new keyboard |
| 15:24.07 | nevcairiel | "if .. would exist" doesnt sound patently wrong to me |
| 15:24.38 | Gnarfoz | well, maybe I'm wrongly applying what Mrs. England taught me :o |
| 15:24.57 | Gnarfoz | she only did because I repeatedly used it that way |
| 15:25.00 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 15:25.26 | foxlit | I would agree with the correction, but probably not the general rule. |
| 15:26.17 | foxlit | "would exist" seems wrong as a conditional; plain "exists" is what I would expect. |
| 15:27.44 | foxlit | it bugs me that there are like zero usable symbolic regression GPs online. |
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| 15:32.17 | Gnarfoz | (my expression of the "rule" was way too broad, anyway) |
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| 16:13.42 | Arrow|work | must not hurt coworker |
| 16:13.48 | Arrow|work | must not walk out and leave |
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| 16:24.36 | Torhal | o.O |
| 16:25.52 | Stanzilla | that's the reason Torhal works from home now |
| 16:25.57 | Stanzilla | he was tempting all the others every day |
| 16:29.21 | pompy | Arrow|work: http://www.someecards.com/life/workplace/20-ways-to-tell-your-coworkers-exactly-how-you-feel-about-them/ pick one |
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| 16:33.23 | Ressy | Torhal: Why are you sending lusers at me? :P |
| 16:33.47 | Torhal | I have no idea what you're referring to. |
| 16:46.58 | Ressy | mkay. Just a PM on Curse from someone who said you told them to talk to me about errors and future changes. |
| 16:47.59 | Zeldo | wa |
| 16:48.01 | Zeldo | t |
| 16:48.23 | Ressy | hes mean huh Zeldo? :P |
| 16:49.06 | Zeldo | Weird people |
| 16:50.57 | Amarande | you know what they should add to the brawler's club, or maybe a dungeon or something |
| 16:51.06 | Amarande | they should add the battle squares game from icewind dale 2 :) |
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| 17:37.37 | Arrow|work | why did nobody tell me they announced blizzcon ticket sale date |
| 17:37.42 | Arrow|work | and why is it only one night |
| 17:38.25 | Ressy | Its 2 days. |
| 17:38.29 | Ressy | 1 night, 1 afternoon |
| 17:41.15 | Arrow|work | ah yes, the ticket buying guide is where i first went and it only listed the first night |
| 17:52.14 | Arrow|work | gah |
| 17:52.38 | Arrow|work | i wiped and imaged my old phone last night so i would have something that worked and forgot to put adaway on it |
| 17:52.44 | Arrow|work | i just saw an ad!?!?! |
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| 18:08.11 | Fisker | are you on drugs Arrow|work? |
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| 18:10.12 | mckenziemc | are you on caffeine, Fisker? |
| 18:10.41 | Fisker | No thanks |
| 18:17.01 | bluspacecow | Are you on Shirik Fisker ? |
| 18:17.08 | harlchen | why do i have this urge to collect ranged weapons.. |
| 18:17.12 | harlchen | in wow.. |
| 18:17.53 | Fisker | you only wish I were on Shirik bluspacecow |
| 18:19.45 | harlchen | has Fisker ever been on bluspacecow? |
| 18:20.24 | mckenziemc | i think we would've noticed blue spacefish by now |
| 18:20.32 | harlchen | lol :x |
| 18:21.24 | harlchen | i didn't say *in* bluspacecow but.. yea.. |
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| 18:31.49 | zenzelezz | Dara O'briain on BAFTA; sweet |
| 18:39.28 | Simca | <Stanzilla> that's the reason Torhal works from home now |
| 18:39.47 | Simca | more likely that he has kittens attached to his clothes with claws and they won't let go |
| 18:41.56 | Torhal | Ressy: Oh, jaghine sent me a PM about working on ARL. I said we already have someone who's good about fixing stuff quickly, named you, and then proceeded t explain that making tickets on the appropriate projects would be the best course of action. |
| 18:42.06 | Torhal | Simca: This is known. |
| 18:42.30 | Alram | Torhal has kittens? |
| 18:42.43 | Torhal | Not anymore, Alram. They grow fast. |
| 18:42.50 | Alram | rip kittins |
| 18:43.08 | Torhal | They're still alive! |
| 18:43.12 | Torhal | Just cats, now. |
| 18:43.34 | Alram | oh ok |
| 18:43.39 | Alram | how many |
| 18:43.42 | Torhal | Alram: https://twitter.com/_Torhal_/status/651243359344947202 |
| 18:43.51 | Alram | HOLY FUCK |
| 18:43.58 | Torhal | lolololol |
| 18:44.16 | Alram | your poor vacuum cleaner |
| 18:44.23 | mckenziemc | Torhal: how long till you start shipping out fur coats? |
| 18:44.31 | Simca | they are all short-haired cats at least |
| 18:44.49 | Torhal | skins mckenziemc for book covers. |
| 18:44.50 | Simca | probably not as bad combined in terms of loose hair as like 4-5 long-haired cats |
| 18:45.01 | Alram | long haired cats are weird |
| 18:45.06 | Alram | so are no hair cats |
| 18:45.25 | Simca | almost all of my cats have been long-haired |
| 18:45.55 | Alram | thats okay Simca i already think you are weird anyways |
| 18:46.17 | Simca | i have accepted that |
| 18:46.30 | Simca | that's why I start all my profiles online now with 'Freak.' as the first line in the description |
| 18:46.38 | Alram | fair enough |
| 18:46.42 | Alram | do they mention excel too |
| 18:46.58 | Alram | "Excels at Excel" |
| 18:47.02 | Simca | usually not enough room after the cats and pizza and dbcs |
| 18:50.31 | karl_w_w | wow, facebook uses tables for layout |
| 18:50.36 | VIad | Torhal is a crazy cat man? |
| 18:51.27 | Simca | I had to use stacked tables for layout the other week, was a bit crazy (ITextSharp doesn't support positioning of div elements when converting to PDF) |
| 18:52.02 | VIad | karl_w_w: good thing about tables is they have a clear structure so parsing them makes it really easy to figure out cols and rows |
| 18:55.55 | mckenziemc | http://pockulus.getchip.com/ |
| 18:56.53 | karl_w_w | late april fools mckenziemc? |
| 18:58.05 | mckenziemc | no karl_w_w |
| 19:17.30 | karl_w_w | this excites me https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/451454651/vr-lens-lab-glasses-for-virtual-reality-headsets |
| 19:27.21 | mckenziemc | the PocketCHIP's resolution won't though |
| 20:35.36 | mckenziemc | reprograms Torhal's ISP-programmer. |
| 20:35.39 | mckenziemc | (so much indirection) |
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| 20:49.45 | Arrow|work | i could do that |
| 21:03.16 | zenzelezz | casts mckenziemc to mckenziemc**** |
| 21:04.31 | Maldivia | sigsegv |
| 21:06.22 | zenzelezz | not until you dereference him |
| 21:53.59 | foxlit | gr; it's all fun and games until you have to store two values per table key. |
| 21:57.28 | Semlar | you could make 2 tables |
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| 22:02.29 | foxlit | yes, but that is really like 20 tables and twice the number of nil checks. |
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| 23:05.23 | mckenziemc | local stabbings = { Torhal = {3, time()}} |
| 23:06.32 | Torhal | ~stab mckenziemc |
| 23:06.32 | purl | ACTION runs at mckenziemc with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 23:09.39 | mckenziemc | local foreign_stabbings = { mckenziemc = { 1, time(), "Torhal"}} :( |
| 23:10.40 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: hm, so they just tried again? isn't that somehow against Kickstarter's rules |
| 23:11.12 | Gnarfoz | (they had a crowdfunding campaign once before and didn't meet the funding goal. now they've exceeded it on day 1) |
| 23:11.27 | nevcairiel | wasnt there some rule why they cant do prescription glasses on kickstarter, this one sunglasses thing said something like that |
| 23:12.25 | Gnarfoz | yeah, this applies again, as well |
| 23:12.38 | Gnarfoz | the sunglasses people are cooperating with these guys on this |
| 23:13.15 | Gnarfoz | (basically: VR cover, the more hygienic/comfy VR headset cover guys and the Gauss glasses guys = this) |
| 23:13.42 | Gnarfoz | oh, but the pictures here are different from what they previously advertised, hmmm |
| 23:13.46 | nevcairiel | they only wanted $5000, thats not like its a lot |
| 23:13.57 | Gnarfoz | anyway, it excludes GearVR now :| |
| 23:14.16 | kullervo | only 5k for developing something? Suspicious |
| 23:14.20 | Gnarfoz | well, last time, they only managed like $2700 |
| 23:14.50 | Gnarfoz | they're both already running succesful other ventures, they said "fuck it, we'll do it anyway" after the other funding thing failed ;p |
| 23:15.10 | zenzelezz | so why are they doing it again then? |
| 23:15.30 | Gnarfoz | well, it doesn't seem to be entirely the same concept |
| 23:15.55 | Gnarfoz | or at least the shape is very different than before |
| 23:16.16 | nevcairiel | its small plastic thingys you put into your VR headset, can it be so different? |
| 23:16.30 | nevcairiel | presumably the same shape to replace the original lenses? |
| 23:16.43 | Gnarfoz | the original lenses stay in place in both cases |
| 23:16.50 | zenzelezz | on a barely related note, I somehow love to read the larger articles about Kickstarter failures (projects that met their goal, often by a lot, and then failed to deliver) |
| 23:16.52 | Gnarfoz | let me dig up the old video ^^ |
| 23:18.55 | Gnarfoz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgJrzV4orfE |
| 23:20.00 | nevcairiel | the old video seems to use gearvr as an example, maybe thats why shape changes =p |
| 23:21.30 | Gnarfoz | possible. but it's also separate parts for each lens, mh. |
| 23:21.56 | nevcairiel | the vive one still is like that, only oculus is one |
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| 23:24.37 | Gnarfoz | hm, right. I guess I got distracted by the non-circular shapes |
| 23:29.23 | zenzelezz | non-circular shapes can indeed be interesting sometimes |
| 23:30.37 | kullervo | are you on drugs, or am I? |
| 23:30.56 | zenzelezz | depends what kind of drugs I guess |
| 23:31.21 | zenzelezz | I am on medicine, but not one that generally causes such things |
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