| 00:01.24 | bshelden | Perhaps. It's a prediction of the future. Worth about as much as the electrons used to encode it :P |
| 00:06.47 | mckenziemc | which is significantly more than Amarande's |
| 00:15.28 | Amarande | bshelden: I'm thinking more about the effect it will have on gaming for those who can't completely immerse into the game and tune out the outside world altogether |
| 00:15.40 | Amarande | as gamers have aged, this becomes more of a thing |
| 00:16.13 | bshelden | The market splits. |
| 00:16.31 | bshelden | Same thing that happens every time. |
| 00:16.42 | Amarande | and we rather hope the non-VR folks aren't going to get relegated to facebook candy crush type games :S |
| 00:16.58 | Amarande | (which would really be quite ironic, given the owner of Oculus, LOL) |
| 00:17.49 | mckenziemc | we may have to start handing out more Darwin awards |
| 00:19.43 | bshelden | I'm not certain (meant as stated) how large the market is that (a) engages in core/AAA/whateveryouwannacallit gaming and (b) cannot immerse. II suspect only Valve has good figures. If it's not single player, there's no pause, which is required if you need to be able to drop it and focus on other things. |
| 00:21.12 | Amarande | bshelden: MMOs |
| 00:21.36 | bshelden | MMOs are exactly the case I refer to of cannot simply drop. You simply walk away to deal with a situation, and the raid wipes... |
| 00:21.41 | Amarande | MMOs run the gamut, and I've played with quite a lot of MMO players who have kids and such |
| 00:21.49 | Amarande | well, yeah, if you're raiding it's one thing |
| 00:21.58 | bshelden | You do it in PVP and your unit dies. |
| 00:22.05 | Amarande | but moving MMOs to VR means you wouldn't even be able to quest without having to tune out the whole outside world |
| 00:22.06 | bshelden | Anything that isn't solo or massive. |
| 00:22.20 | bshelden | Why not? Use speakers, same as you'd do to hear things anyway. |
| 00:41.29 | mckenziemc | is it not possible to copy characters to the PTR anymore? |
| 00:42.10 | foxlit | No. Yes. Depends. What do you want? |
| 00:42.28 | foxlit | it's controlled through the client now |
| 00:43.22 | mckenziemc | i see no option in the character selection UI |
| 00:43.50 | kd3 | if it's a release-candidiate build, you can't copy |
| 00:43.58 | kd3 | that's only enabled in test builds |
| 00:44.16 | Amarande | I haven't used the PTR in years |
| 00:44.20 | mckenziemc | ah |
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| 01:35.47 | Arrowmaster | this is fun stalking all of you bastards and laughing at the crap you submit (ive been marking anybody i knows account as a friend when i run into them but never knew all the functions it did) |
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| 02:06.28 | foxlit | hm, no more battle.net |
| 02:07.36 | [TOM_RUS] | rip battle.net |
| 02:08.29 | foxlit | well, maybe it's time for a nap. |
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| 02:16.46 | Amarande | maintenance? |
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| 04:34.55 | Simca | hilariously, spell changes are too big to be posted this build |
| 04:35.07 | Simca | because of all of the grammar/sentence structure changes |
| 04:35.27 | Simca | the post action hits the 1 min PHP execution timeout that is set |
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| 04:40.23 | Semlar | stop breaking things simca |
| 04:40.46 | Simca | they worked as a separate thread |
| 04:41.00 | Stanzilla | they cleaned up the interface options quite a lot this build |
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| 04:51.16 | Primer | I'm pondering getting an nvidia 970 GTX 4G, but I'm concerned that my old-ish motherboard will not allow it to live up to its full potential. Anyone got any insights regarding hardware and if my old Gigabyte Z77-D3H is up to the task? Full cpu-z output: http://ceregatti.org/daniel.html |
| 04:51.35 | Stanzilla | there is nothing newer than pcie 3 |
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| 04:52.33 | Primer | And that means... |
| 04:53.37 | Stanzilla | yes it will handle it |
| 04:54.29 | Primer | Well, I know it'll handle it. I'm just concerned that I won't get getting the bang for the buck |
| 04:54.39 | kullervo | the pcie won't be any faster |
| 04:54.48 | Primer | that something old on the board will hold it back |
| 04:55.01 | kullervo | the board can't have a faster pcie because one doesn't exist |
| 04:55.29 | Primer | What about modern games and being CPU bound? |
| 04:55.35 | Primer | How likely is that? |
| 04:55.52 | Primer | I mean, I know most FPS games are almost always GPU bound |
| 04:55.55 | kullervo | somewhat likely, but the 970 isn't a very kickass card |
| 04:56.07 | Primer | uhh say what? |
| 04:56.35 | Primer | Don't tell me you're an ATI person? |
| 04:57.08 | kullervo | it's just objectively not very kickass |
| 04:57.23 | kullervo | the whole 900 serie disappointed me, I'm waiting for whatever they're releasing in the third quarter |
| 04:58.22 | Primer | I thought you meant in relation to something else that's already available |
| 04:58.33 | Stanzilla | it is mid range |
| 04:58.37 | Stanzilla | so it has mid range performance |
| 04:58.45 | Stanzilla | but I really would wait for the next generation if it is not urgent |
| 04:58.48 | Stanzilla | because that will be this year |
| 04:59.36 | Primer | The 770 in there right now serves me fine, but I'd like to be getting more FPS for modern games at higher settings @1920x1080 |
| 04:59.57 | kullervo | I have a 780, the 980 just isn't a grand enough upgrade to warrant the cost |
| 05:00.35 | Primer | Thing is, nvidia always comes out with the monster cards first |
| 05:00.44 | Primer | the big dollar cards |
| 05:00.57 | Primer | Then after a few months the better bang for the buck cards come out |
| 05:01.11 | MysticalOS2 | followed by upgraded ti monster card! |
| 05:01.33 | Primer | I mean, I can afford to buy whatever card I want |
| 05:01.57 | MysticalOS2 | my 980ti should last a while. was sitting on a 780 before, skipped that ti and the non ti 900s |
| 05:02.02 | Primer | but I don't want to be taken for a ride either |
| 05:02.11 | MysticalOS2 | probably won't need pascal until at least ti or after |
| 05:03.00 | kullervo | maybe I'll upgrade to pascal ti and add a custom watercooling block |
| 05:03.01 | kullervo | or two |
| 05:03.42 | Primer | I'm a bit out of touch with the nvidia acronyms...ti? |
| 05:03.47 | MysticalOS2 | my 980ti has a 1404mhz core clock and doesn't go over 67C under full load. and isn't even water cooled |
| 05:03.51 | Primer | I know it's part of the model |
| 05:04.06 | Primer | but what is the compared to? GTX? |
| 05:04.10 | kullervo | but I want the setup to be silent |
| 05:04.15 | kullervo | gpu fans are loud as fuck |
| 05:04.31 | MysticalOS2 | the ti cards are basically gutted titans generally. higher than x80s but not as high as titans |
| 05:04.41 | MysticalOS2 | often released well after titan and x80s |
| 05:04.45 | Primer | I though titans were onboard SLO |
| 05:04.48 | Primer | err SLI |
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| 05:16.47 | Iriel | I just put a 970 in a build for a VR machine, and it's so far been pretty quiet |
| 05:17.08 | kullervo | our definitions of "quiet" might be different :) |
| 05:17.29 | Iriel | maybe. The fans dont even run until I throw load at it. |
| 05:17.54 | Primer | I'm not bothered by fan noise |
| 05:18.06 | Primer | I have the game sounds up or music to drown it out |
| 05:18.19 | kullervo | I had such loud machines when I was young that now when I can afford quiet, I get quiet |
| 05:18.21 | Iriel | the older I get the more fan noise annoys me |
| 05:19.05 | Iriel | I got this one: http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Quieter-Graphics-04G-P4-2974-KR/dp/B00NVODXR4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s01 |
| 05:19.05 | Primer | oddly, I'm the same way, but fan noise doesn't bother me |
| 05:19.29 | Primer | That's the one I'm looking at getting |
| 05:19.43 | Iriel | Based on my less than a week of experience, I like it 8-) |
| 05:19.59 | Iriel | And it made the rift happy |
| 05:20.02 | Iriel | so all good. |
| 05:20.20 | kullervo | oh and I like to OC my hardware so watercooling would of course be helpful |
| 05:20.46 | kullervo | fans only react so fast to load changes |
| 05:20.51 | Primer | So what's the difference with all the damn acronyms? |
| 05:20.58 | Iriel | I like getting the OC capable stuff, and then not overlocking. |
| 05:21.02 | Iriel | so I get quiet + stable |
| 05:21.06 | Primer | SC, ACX, SSC |
| 05:21.19 | Primer | yeah, I don't overcook my hardware |
| 05:21.33 | Iriel | ACX is their 'cooling technology' whatever that is |
| 05:22.34 | Primer | I just wish I could get a card with HDMIx4 |
| 05:24.36 | Primer | Right now my 770 is plugged in via HDMIx2 + DVI |
| 05:24.47 | Primer | DP port remaining unused |
| 05:25.40 | Primer | but it seems the 9xx series favors DP |
| 05:25.55 | Primer | so I'd have to get at least one extra converter/cable |
| 05:26.05 | Iriel | I wonder if that's because 4K monitors tend to like DP |
| 05:26.13 | Iriel | at least, the ones i've had access to do |
| 05:27.32 | Primer | I have Asus MX 270 x 3 |
| 05:27.45 | Primer | which are 1920x1080 |
| 05:27.49 | Primer | Not ready to do 4k |
| 05:28.29 | Iriel | I'm only half happy with 4K |
| 05:28.34 | Primer | Not sure what kind of hardware it'd take to game on 4k |
| 05:28.40 | Iriel | I made the mistake of going with a 31" monitor |
| 05:28.45 | Primer | Or if there's some sort of acceptable downscaling |
| 05:28.45 | Iriel | which is either too small or too big |
| 05:29.04 | Iriel | the picture is gorgeous, text is just annoying |
| 05:29.18 | Iriel | I settled for things being slightly bigger than I want, rather than squinting. |
| 05:29.40 | Primer | these displays look great, and I love having this much screen real estate when working |
| 05:30.05 | Iriel | I suspect OSX is part of my problem, it doesn't handle display DPI scaling all that awesomely outside of the powers-of-2. |
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| 09:52.27 | bluipodcow | ~frameXML |
| 09:52.27 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source , or https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ . |
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| 11:15.28 | Shirik | :/ |
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| 12:33.32 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 12:39.09 | foxlit | hey Fisker |
| 12:55.01 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 12:55.15 | foxlit | I hear the Ice Stone Has Melted. |
| 12:57.29 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
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| 13:01.59 | karl_w_w | memries |
| 13:03.25 | karl_w_w | Citizens of Dalaran! Raise your eyes to the skies and observe! |
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| 13:44.21 | zenzelezz | I wish the AMD control panel would show something more useful than "Radeon R9 200 Series". Having to dig around instructions that don't turn out correct is not helpful; and having to go to the attic to find the box is a chore |
| 13:44.26 | zenzelezz | it's a hard life |
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| 13:48.25 | Fisker | Never AMD |
| 13:49.19 | zenzelezz | suit yourself |
| 13:51.29 | Kalroth | CyRiX 4 LyFe |
| 13:52.21 | End | you could go into the the device manager and get the pci vendor/device id and look that up |
| 13:52.27 | zenzelezz | don't be silly Kalroth |
| 13:52.29 | Kalroth | zenzelezz, and that is a driver issue, i remember running into it when messing around with bitcoin mining - apparently they don't want you to differ between R9 280X, R9 290 or R9 290X |
| 13:52.30 | zenzelezz | S3 <3 |
| 13:52.32 | End | but I don't know if that would be more or less effort |
| 13:52.45 | Kalroth | i don't think device id is enough |
| 13:53.03 | zenzelezz | Kalroth: interesting, any idea why they didn't want you to do that? |
| 13:53.15 | Kalroth | from my memory you had to hit the GPU bios to read the correct model |
| 13:53.20 | Kalroth | zenzelezz, for CFX mode |
| 13:53.42 | zenzelezz | End: I did that, like the instructions on AMD's page said, but the ID it said didn't match the actual model for some reason. Might be Sapphire's fault or something |
| 13:53.52 | End | weird |
| 13:54.32 | Kalroth | http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/ you can use this tool to get an idea of the card, zenzelezz |
| 13:54.45 | Kalroth | but as the screenshot shows, even their tool lists it as series |
| 13:55.19 | End | Kalroth: looks like you are correct |
| 13:55.42 | zenzelezz | googling a little, it looks like the device ID was for some reason used both for the HD7970 and the 280X |
| 13:55.53 | Kalroth | well they are the same cards :p |
| 13:55.59 | Kalroth | 280X is just a rebrand |
| 13:56.15 | zenzelezz | what does the 290 match in the HD line then? |
| 13:56.19 | End | it looks like with subsystem (which I don't really know what that really refers to) might be specific enough though |
| 13:57.29 | Kalroth | http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/HowtoidentifythemodelofanATIgraphicscard.aspx |
| 13:57.32 | Kalroth | hahah, that is messy |
| 13:58.17 | zenzelezz | Kalroth: that's the guide I followed, which lead to the PCI database thing, where it's listed as the HD7970... but if you're correct that they are actually one and the same, then the instructions actually were correct |
| 13:58.25 | Kalroth | yup |
| 13:58.44 | zenzelezz | either way, thinking of upgrading from the 280X to one of the newer ones, but unsure whether I'd want to go for a 380X or one of the 390s |
| 13:59.07 | Kalroth | I think 380X is a rerebranded 7970, but lemme check |
| 13:59.49 | zenzelezz | I long for the days when a 9800 Pro wsa just a 9800 Pro, and you didn't have to navigate a jungle of branding |
| 14:00.27 | zenzelezz | that was the most expensive card I bought, and actually lasted a really long time |
| 14:00.42 | Kalroth | http://www.anandtech.com/show/9784/the-amd-radeon-r9-380x-review looking at the comparison chart, there isn't much of a difference between 280X and 380X |
| 14:00.54 | Kalroth | performance wise they're identical too |
| 14:01.08 | Kalroth | http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph9784/78729.png 7970 vs 380X OC |
| 14:01.13 | zenzelezz | well jesus, nothing has really changed for such a long period? |
| 14:01.40 | Kalroth | sure it has, but you need the 290/390s :p |
| 14:01.47 | Kalroth | or Fury |
| 14:01.57 | zenzelezz | so you say there were changes from 290 to 390? |
| 14:02.19 | Kalroth | minor changes, but it's 5-10% faster |
| 14:02.31 | Kalroth | but there's a huge difference between 280(X) and 290 |
| 14:02.57 | Kalroth | http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph9784/78737.png see R9 390 vs R9 380X |
| 14:02.59 | zenzelezz | yes, that's fine - there always was. I just meant from the same 2- to 3- model (280-380, 290-390) |
| 14:03.10 | Kalroth | nope, they're all rebrandings |
| 14:03.18 | zenzelezz | so basically if I want better performance, I just need to go to a *90 |
| 14:03.31 | zenzelezz | (inb4 another lulz nvidia) |
| 14:03.35 | Kalroth | or Fury, yes |
| 14:05.13 | Kalroth | but to be fair, the 7970 was a very, very good card for its price |
| 14:07.02 | zenzelezz | I haven't had much problems with performance so far, but I (clearly incorrectly) thought the newer cards would be better still. Prefer to be slightly ahead of the "man, I'm lagging" experience, but only when it's reasonable. So apparently not at the moment :D |
| 14:07.21 | Kalroth | zenzelezz, http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=1633 pick the game(s) and resolution of your choice and find the percentage upgrade you want |
| 14:08.54 | Kalroth | it's the same as nvidia and intel is doing |
| 14:09.09 | Kalroth | minor increments and rebrands of existing products |
| 14:09.31 | zenzelezz | interesting link, cheers |
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| 15:38.51 | karl_w_w | no point upgrading now |
| 15:38.57 | karl_w_w | zenzelezz |
| 15:39.11 | karl_w_w | we're on the brink of new cards |
| 15:40.28 | karl_w_w | new-new not re-new |
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| 16:47.46 | karl_w_w | a hoodie with built-in hidden fingerless gloves |
| 16:47.49 | karl_w_w | what a world |
| 16:49.05 | foxlit | Ahem, It's April 1st... somewhere. |
| 16:50.32 | karl_w_w | yes here, but the hoodie existed before that :P |
| 16:51.03 | foxlit | I demand more amusing content? |
| 17:06.34 | karl_w_w | it's been years since something amusing happened on April 1st |
| 17:07.02 | karl_w_w | I think the last was Google TISP |
| 17:14.58 | Amarande | karl_w_w: Trump suddenly drops out of the race, perhaps? |
| 17:15.00 | Amarande | nah, that would be bad |
| 17:15.25 | Amarande | then we get Ted Cruz, and we'll be spending the next four years on the phone with Comcast tailoring our Internet packages thanks to the lack of net neutrality :P |
| 17:16.01 | Amarande | you know, as opposed to the typical normal phone call to Comcast that probably also takes about four years LOL |
| 17:16.28 | Amarande | ah! I know! this April 1st, Comcast will officially stop sucking |
| 17:19.00 | Maldivia | Amarande: well, we all know that's too good to be true |
| 17:21.01 | Amarande | or ALL the candidates drop out of the race on both sides (except maybe Bernie) and we elect these two guys instead? http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/easter-bunny-photos-150405-177002767.jpg |
| 17:21.25 | Amarande | I think that little grey dude would do just fine. :) |
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| 18:10.42 | zenzelezz | sigh, first of April... the 48-hour period where I avoid as much Internet as possible. Because FFS, 99% of all "jokes" are damn obvious and not even a bit amusing |
| 18:20.58 | foxlit | make your own joke that is not terrible. |
| 18:22.46 | foxlit | may I suggest "Hearthstone implemented in World of Warcraft"? |
| 18:23.14 | foxlit | Still have like 12 hours; could totally make that happen. |
| 18:28.09 | foxlit | I wonder what the shortest possible Hearthstone game looks like (assuming ideal draws, but not cooperation from the losing player) |
| 18:30.37 | mckenziemc | what about forfeiture from unforeseen interruption? |
| 18:31.05 | foxlit | no. |
| 18:32.06 | foxlit | The context is "If foxlit implemented Hearthstone in WoW, what is the quickest way he could make you lose by stuffing the decks (but still allowing you to choose what happens on your turn), so he wouldn't have to implement too many mechanics?" |
| 18:32.16 | karl_w_w | ok, i am excite https://youtu.be/BAmxXh9TyrU |
| 18:33.32 | mckenziemc | no wonder i felt a weird sensation, i found a spider crawling on my shoulder |
| 19:03.44 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:28.57 | mckenziemc | orders two foxlits. |
| 19:29.47 | foxlit | what would you do with five foxlits? |
| 19:30.01 | mckenziemc | breed them to make even more |
| 19:30.16 | Torhal | That's just wrong, mckenziemc. |
| 19:30.20 | foxlit | I hear that's how nuclear physicists died. |
| 19:30.25 | foxlit | ^some. |
| 19:30.41 | Torhal | I wouldn't doubt that it would kill them all. Retroactively, even. |
| 19:30.47 | Unkle | Wait, foxlits are single gendered, how would you breed them? |
| 19:30.59 | mckenziemc | so are cows, in minecraft |
| 19:31.03 | mckenziemc | they breed just fine |
| 19:31.14 | Torhal | calls a paddy wagon. |
| 19:31.24 | zenzelezz | Unkle: didn't you watch Jurassic Park? Life finds a way |
| 19:31.31 | Unkle | And thus the Zombie Apocalypse begins. |
| 19:31.34 | Torhal | Clever girl. |
| 19:33.25 | Fisker | my toe hurts |
| 19:33.59 | mckenziemc | read, zenzelezz, read |
| 19:34.12 | Fisker | help me Unkle |
| 19:35.22 | mckenziemc | QQ moar, Fisker |
| 19:36.20 | Unkle | Amputation. It's the only solution. |
| 20:00.40 | Torhal | It's the only way to save the toe, Unkle? |
| 20:01.53 | Unkle | You want a toe, Torhal? I can get you a toe. I can have it here for you by three o'clock. |
| 20:02.40 | Unkle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_VAfVhsvOA |
| 20:04.13 | Torhal | With nail polish, Unkle? |
| 20:06.01 | mckenziemc | dissolves Torhal in acetone. |
| 20:06.59 | Unkle | With nail polish. There are ways, Torhal. You don't want to know. |
| 20:07.00 | Torhal | dunks mckenziemc in a vat of Nair. |
| 20:41.56 | zenzelezz | courtesy of someone on Twitter... https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=This+should+never+happen (18m hits) |
| 20:43.46 | bshelden | I love that my first result is a minecraft mod. |
| 21:20.05 | tz_ | hmmm |
| 21:20.16 | tz_ | anybody got a list of the new instance IDs for legion yet? |
| 21:23.50 | foxlit | https://www.google.co.jp/ime/furikku/ |
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