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| 03:47.51 | mckenziemc | stabs Neffi. |
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| 06:21.18 | Primer | So I ran a script to count how many frames my UI currently has. I'm in Ashran and am lagging like mad |
| 06:21.22 | Primer | 20401 |
| 06:21.45 | Primer | Now I'm going to RL |
| 06:22.01 | Primer | I suppose I should try to find out which addons own which frames |
| 06:22.07 | Primer | I suspect I'm leaking frames, btw |
| 06:22.40 | Primer | 17096 after reload |
| 06:25.30 | mckenziemc | hands Primer a mop and bucket. |
| 06:31.16 | Primer | that's a lot of frames |
| 07:02.20 | Primer | So how normal is it for frame count to go up by several thousand over the course of an hour? |
| 07:46.59 | Fisker | I want to hug every Cairenn in the world |
| 07:47.02 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 07:56.51 | mikma | mmkay |
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| 09:12.48 | Primer | Fresh start of the game, 17402 frames |
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| 09:42.10 | nevcairiel | with a start count of 17000, an end count of 20000 doesnt seem that excessive |
| 09:46.06 | nevcairiel | maybe you should count how many of those are shown |
| 09:46.18 | nevcairiel | not sure it matters much |
| 09:46.31 | nevcairiel | (or rather visible, instead of shown) |
| 09:50.29 | Primer | All update events are tied to frames, right? |
| 09:50.46 | Primer | Is it possible for non visible frames to get events? |
| 09:50.53 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 09:51.01 | Primer | I believe I do something like that in one of my addons |
| 09:51.07 | Primer | So yeah, why would visible frames matter? |
| 09:51.16 | Primer | This lag seems to be tied to events |
| 09:51.17 | nevcairiel | because it has to draw them |
| 09:51.29 | Primer | a flurry of events causes video lag |
| 09:51.56 | zenzelezz | do you know it's only video lag, not general processing lag? |
| 09:52.13 | Primer | err |
| 09:52.17 | Primer | I'm tired |
| 09:52.21 | Primer | but yeah, that's what I meant |
| 09:52.26 | Primer | it seems to be CPU lag |
| 09:52.30 | Primer | which in turn causes video lag |
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| 10:24.43 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/a/QdSxP |
| 10:25.26 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 10:25.43 | zenzelezz | well, they have X episodes to fix it before I'll bother playing anyway |
| 10:31.24 | foxlit | Primer: kill their OnUpdate and OnEvent handlers when enumerating |
| 10:31.38 | nevcairiel | and see everyhting burn? :D |
| 10:32.04 | foxlit | if your fps improves significantly, it's worth investigating what they were doing |
| 10:33.13 | foxlit | nevcairiel: well, it'll only really break serialize-on-logout code. Should backup adding settings beforehand. |
| 10:33.38 | nevcairiel | i suppose, everything else jus mysterically stops to function |
| 10:33.54 | foxlit | It's mildly functional |
| 10:34.56 | foxlit | (i.e. you will still be able to /reload, as opposed to other ways to shoot yourself in the foot) |
| 10:38.11 | foxlit | (although it will break the built-in fps display. Oops) |
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| 11:31.51 | Phatso | whats that url for the FrameXML diff again? |
| 11:35.51 | Phatso | ahh got it https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/21267 |
| 11:39.16 | Phatso | hmmm |
| 11:40.06 | Phatso | would it be possible to overwrite for example Frame General with null and do the actual Design with Lua? |
| 11:50.04 | Phatso | i just dont want to Clutter the Interface Folder with thousands of texture override Folders. isnt there a possibility to package my custom ones as a skin with the default UI overwrite method just not directly in the interface folder? |
| 11:51.22 | zenzelezz | what do you mean by "default UI overwrite mthod"? |
| 11:52.06 | Phatso | well you know you can skin how FrameGeneral for example looks |
| 11:53.35 | Phatso | http://pwnwear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/WoWScrnShot_070210_132627.jpg |
| 11:54.00 | Phatso | the border and the circular border on the top left is the same for most Interface Frames in wow |
| 11:54.39 | Phatso | and you can overwrite the textures for them by Creating a Folder named FrameGeneral with the Files for each respective element |
| 11:55.18 | zenzelezz | ah, I'm clearly too rusty about this |
| 12:38.35 | zenzelezz | so I watched an episode of Girls und Panzer, and I was tempted to say that's pretty crazy... but I suppose most anime is |
| 12:42.05 | Phatso | so basically the question is... can i change properties of FrameXML basically |
| 12:58.28 | foxlit | That's not how unicorns work. |
| 13:09.20 | foxlit | (your question is basically non-specific to the point of being meaningless: it admits every answer, depending on interpretation) |
| 13:12.33 | foxlit | if you don't want to replace the art files, you can modify the appearance of frames that use those art files through code, in much the same way as you can write code to replace your entire user interface with a picture of a unicorn. It won't be trivial, but you /can/ do it. |
| 13:14.54 | foxlit | zenzelezz: I draw the line at gratuitous /german/ in titles. |
| 13:15.20 | zenzelezz | :) |
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| 13:36.09 | Phatso | i just looked at how Aurora does it |
| 13:36.34 | Phatso | they literally just nil the default Texture and replace it with their own |
| 13:36.54 | VIad | thats what foxlit wrote in his second message |
| 13:37.13 | VIad | but you are doing the modification post-creation |
| 13:37.52 | Phatso | now i just need to write a lua function that registers each element that uses a texture, offer a replacement function and let skins register with that replace function |
| 13:37.59 | VIad | can't cleanily modify pre and you can't override the default lua/xml either, you need to do it all post in your addon. only stuff you can change are textures by placing the images in the proper paths in the interface folder |
| 13:38.31 | Phatso | am i thinking that correct? |
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| 13:38.40 | VIad | dump the framexml, catalog what parts use what texture you aim to replace, then make code in your addon to do its magic at the appropriate time |
| 13:40.47 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.19 | VIad | what am I looking at, foxlit? |
| 13:41.24 | Phatso | i just need to replace the actual path right. if i keep the offsets from the original artwork files in the new ones i should fine just SetTexture(newTexture)'ing them right? |
| 13:41.37 | VIad | yes Phatso |
| 13:41.54 | Phatso | time for automating that shit :D |
| 13:41.56 | foxlit | spoilers, Viad, spoilers. |
| 13:42.15 | Phatso | cause no way im gonna go through each XML manually :D |
| 13:43.09 | Phatso | probably best to also dump offset instructions for skin designers too right? |
| 13:46.40 | Phatso | would you guys think thats an Addon people would like to have or am i overthinking something i only personally use to adjust my own UI ? |
| 13:52.24 | zenzelezz | are you doing this because you want to use it yourself, or because you want to make something that others might enjoy? (It's possible to want both too) |
| 13:52.38 | Phatso | both |
| 13:52.40 | Phatso | basically |
| 13:53.37 | Phatso | im sick of all these hacky UI Compilations that only work jackshit with tons of different addons doing more or less the same shit.... redesigning Default UI Elements |
| 13:54.40 | Phatso | what i'm trying to do is have a basic Addon that gives commonly used methods like replacing Textures or Highlight Animations... |
| 13:55.41 | Phatso | and seperate extension Addons that register onto that addon to allow people to choose that Texture Set |
| 13:58.16 | zenzelezz | it's an interesting idea, and it could work, but when the game's been around as long as it has, it's possible that nothing like that exists yet because no-one felt it was useful enough to spend a lot of time on. In the end you should make sure you're working on something you feel like you will enjoy working on, because it's impossible to predict what others will feel about it :) |
| 14:00.51 | Phatso | now that i think about it... Dumping all FrameXML Texture Mentions is only really nice for Documentation but not at all Necessary.... |
| 14:01.23 | zenzelezz | you can learn a lot from trying things out |
| 14:03.23 | zenzelezz | when it comes to hobby-coding (non-work), the crucial thing is to do something you enjoy doing; whether anything useful comes from it or not. At least in my book |
| 14:03.57 | zenzelezz | ideally work would be like that too, but that's usually outside of your control |
| 14:05.05 | Phatso | gun get some groceries and then im gonna draw a some graphs and spam some Forums with'em to see what UX people would think of it. |
| 14:05.16 | Cairenn | I'm with zenzelezz on that one |
| 14:05.38 | Cairenn | [hoppy] code for yourself |
| 14:05.49 | Cairenn | *hobby* |
| 14:07.25 | Phatso | will do the coding. but at the end it boils down to people with an Eye for Design to actually use it. i have an example design at my drive https://i.imgur.com/biuAZYN.jpg |
| 14:08.27 | Phatso | i did get the bottom bar and the UnitFrames to match, but now the default UI Elements destroy the look |
| 14:08.33 | Phatso | like chat for example |
| 14:10.37 | Phatso | also actionbars |
| 14:11.59 | kullervo | who even uses visible action bars |
| 14:12.45 | Phatso | *toggleable actionbars that move the UnitFrames down when hiding |
| 14:12.54 | Phatso | <--me |
| 14:21.10 | zenzelezz | that's an interestingly UI concept |
| 14:21.14 | zenzelezz | -ly |
| 14:37.33 | Semlar | sets neffi forward an hour |
| 14:38.48 | Fisker | throws a plastic superman sheet at Cairenn |
| 14:38.52 | Fisker | I meant |
| 14:38.55 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 14:39.03 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 15:50.00 | fewyn | i'm not looking forward to tonight |
| 15:50.35 | fewyn | i probably won't get into my hotel room until 1am |
| 16:44.12 | zenzelezz | "I don't know how or why, but I'm still making money" - shut up damnit... you may be my friend, but you don't have to remind me you're so much better at coding |
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| 16:55.33 | fewyn | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnT19cjJmvU |
| 16:55.35 | fewyn | puppy! |
| 16:55.47 | fewyn | (mommy and puppy are napping) |
| 16:55.58 | zenzelezz | :D |
| 16:56.05 | zenzelezz | cute |
| 16:56.12 | VIad | purebred - more like inbred |
| 16:57.58 | fewyn | in this case |
| 16:58.02 | fewyn | that's a no VIad |
| 16:58.07 | VIad | good to hear |
| 16:58.15 | fewyn | i personally know this breeder =p |
| 16:58.21 | VIad | :D |
| 16:58.26 | fewyn | (she's a former wowhead dev) |
| 16:59.53 | VIad | I believe you |
| 17:03.25 | zenzelezz | the dreaming--- |
| 17:08.18 | Phatso | yo |
| 17:08.28 | Phatso | i did ze concept |
| 17:08.29 | Phatso | http://i.imgur.com/9079uYZ.png |
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| 17:13.01 | VIad | Phatso: on your subject, seems like blizz is already working on improving certain features. like the map overlays with icons, seems like they might let addons inject their own stuff by registering themselves as data providers |
| 17:14.44 | VIad | they call it map canvas |
| 17:14.55 | VIad | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/21249/Blizzard_MapCanvas/Blizzard_MapCanvas.lua |
| 17:15.27 | VIad | ofc it might be just for blizz own sake but the way they make it, if its flexible so addons can borrow their infrastructure, it will be neat |
| 17:19.32 | Phatso | isnt that the nonhacky version of the Garrison Table? |
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| 18:50.09 | karl_w_w | good news everybody, I think I have scoliosis! |
| 18:52.03 | fewyn | :/ |
| 18:56.30 | zenzelezz | karl_w_w: self-diagnosed or doctor's? |
| 19:12.58 | Ressy | 'think' so probably self. |
| 19:18.00 | fewyn | So how bad is Chicago's airport? |
| 19:18.17 | fewyn | i have a layover there today |
| 19:18.23 | fewyn | i've never been |
| 19:18.35 | fewyn | i usually fly through DFW or something |
| 19:24.10 | Ressy | Been through before.. Its not too bad. |
| 19:25.03 | Ressy | well... as long as you're in the same terminal. :P |
| 19:27.56 | fewyn | i'm flying southwest |
| 19:27.58 | fewyn | who i hate |
| 19:28.00 | fewyn | so i have no idea |
| 19:28.05 | Ressy | I flew AA |
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| 19:28.59 | fewyn | welp time to go shuffle into the car and get to the airport |
| 19:34.02 | karl_w_w | yes, think |
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| 20:30.01 | Phatso | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53226 input is welcome |
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