| 00:06.07 | plaw | Cairenn: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-02/pint-sized-penguin-walks-into-pub-on-hobart-waterfront/7214690 |
| 00:06.43 | Cairenn | d'awwww |
| 00:07.59 | plaw | stuff on my bucket list: roast penguin. I'm guessing fishy chicken but i'm super curious |
| 00:08.09 | Cairenn | ! |
| 00:08.11 | zenzelezz | https://twitter.com/BabyAnimalPics/status/705176143264096257 |
| 00:08.20 | Cairenn | growls at plaw |
| 00:08.41 | plaw | OHAI CAIRENN WILL U B MY FWEND?! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cciio0QUYAAgArl.jpg |
| 00:09.03 | Cairenn | hehehe, silly wombat |
| 00:09.32 | plaw | you know wombats are deadly, right? I mean, really deadly not just the 'every animal in australia is deadly'? |
| 00:09.38 | Cairenn | Oh, I know |
| 00:10.00 | plaw | 'coz of their bulk and low profile, if hit one in a car at speed it'll probably flip you, total your car whilst it walks away |
| 00:10.20 | plaw | saw it happen a few months ago. astonishing sight, really |
| 00:10.45 | nevcairiel | so, deadly as a stone =p |
| 00:10.53 | Cairenn | Just because I go 'd'aww' at animals doesn't mean I don't give them the proper respect they deserve. Wild animals are just that, wild animals. |
| 00:10.57 | plaw | bumps in the road jsut at the right place that the car didn't squash the beasty but wasn't full downforce etc. |
| 00:11.13 | plaw | nevcairiel: you might call it a stone, over here it's kinda like a boulder :P |
| 00:11.50 | plaw | Cairenn: u r wild! \o/ |
| 00:11.55 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:12.41 | Fisker | hughugs Cairenn |
| 00:12.49 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 00:13.02 | Fisker | Why won't I sleep? |
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| 00:13.18 | nevcairiel | only you can tell us that |
| 00:17.58 | Guill | If any of you have AddOns that use BNet related functionality (friends/chat), please check out the forum post in the MOTD (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20742784697). If there's some functionality you use that's been broken, we need to hear about it soon or we won't have a chance to fix it before it goes live! |
| 00:18.31 | Ressy | Does this mean addon functionality is in this build? >.> |
| 00:18.43 | Guill | Of the 6.2.4 PTR? Yes :P |
| 00:18.54 | Ressy | lol.. boo :P |
| 00:20.26 | Fisker | I made a script |
| 00:21.05 | mckenziemc | for you to sleep? |
| 00:21.09 | Guill | Fisker: for a play? |
| 00:21.33 | Fisker | for a server |
| 00:22.26 | Fisker | need to make sure my spiffy "Welcome to nginx"-page remains secure and encrypted |
| 00:22.28 | Fisker | https://developersdevelopersdevelopers.dk/ |
| 00:24.18 | nevcairiel | i should add a letsencrypt renewal to my cronjobs |
| 00:24.37 | nevcairiel | need to figure out how to automatically reload apache when needed though |
| 00:26.30 | Fisker | Mine just does it after renewing |
| 00:26.37 | Guill | while true; do apache reload; done |
| 00:26.38 | Fisker | But that's nginx |
| 00:26.47 | Fisker | sounds stable Guill |
| 00:26.54 | Guill | It's the only way to be sure |
| 00:27.04 | nevcairiel | well i wouldnt want it to reload when nothing changed, i suppose |
| 00:27.17 | nevcairiel | but probably no harm to just reload once every two days or so |
| 00:27.42 | nevcairiel | maybe it sets appropriate return values too |
| 00:28.08 | Fisker | Well if nothing changed then renewing failed? |
| 00:28.17 | Fisker | Exit couldn't be 0 then right? |
| 00:28.41 | Fisker | At least it isn't from the script I found ^^ |
| 00:28.53 | nevcairiel | i just use the main letsencrypt tool in renew mode |
| 00:29.04 | nevcairiel | and it returns 0 even if its not doing anything |
| 00:29.04 | nevcairiel | boo |
| 00:29.40 | Fisker | renew mode? |
| 00:29.46 | Fisker | Mine just requests a certificate :P |
| 00:30.11 | Fisker | I see |
| 00:30.22 | nevcairiel | renew automatically scans all cert config files and certificates for expiry and requests a new one when its <7 days to expire date, iirc |
| 00:30.33 | nevcairiel | or maybe <14, i forget |
| 00:30.50 | Fisker | Could just check the timestamp of the file I guess |
| 00:30.55 | Fisker | as long as it doesn't get changed |
| 00:30.59 | nevcairiel | suppose so |
| 00:31.27 | Fisker | now I want to use the renew one because it's cooler |
| 00:33.00 | Fisker | ugh |
| 00:33.10 | Fisker | I need to change things because my config is based on a single domain |
| 00:33.11 | Fisker | boo |
| 00:33.41 | Fisker | probably have to like comment it out and stuff |
| 00:34.12 | Fisker | hmm |
| 00:34.45 | Guill | IMO, all this encryption stuff you guys are doing is overkill. I just use javascript to ROT13 everything. |
| 00:34.47 | Fisker | Mine renews them regardless |
| 00:35.13 | Fisker | Congratulations, all renewals succeeded. The following certs have been renewed: |
| 00:35.13 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.15 | Fisker | 1 minute later |
| 00:35.20 | Fisker | Congratulations, all renewals succeeded. The following certs have been renewed: |
| 00:35.20 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.21 | Fisker | :P |
| 00:35.42 | Fisker | I'm gonna stick to my way then looks like that one is silly |
| 00:35.46 | Torhal | You should double ROT13 just to be certain, Guill. |
| 00:36.04 | Fisker | I prefer quadruple ROT13 for enhanced security |
| 00:36.05 | nevcairiel | The following certs are not due for renewal yet: |
| 00:36.05 | nevcairiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.05 | nevcairiel | No renewals were attempted. |
| 00:36.08 | nevcairiel | weird fisker |
| 00:36.28 | mckenziemc | renews Fisker's contract. |
| 00:36.30 | Fisker | probably a config error or something |
| 00:36.44 | Guill | Good call Torhal |
| 00:37.02 | Fisker | But considering that the lifetime of a cert is well-known running it every month or so should be fine |
| 00:40.19 | mckenziemc | Fisker owes his existence to a config error. |
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| 00:55.18 | Fisker | Chrome crashed and now all my extensions are spammed on my toolbar :( |
| 00:55.32 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/o6LUsT2.jpg i wish i noticed this when i put it on the printer :/ |
| 00:55.50 | fewyn | it has been printing air for the last 2 hours |
| 01:09.07 | Fisker | one day few |
| 01:09.08 | Fisker | damnit |
| 01:09.11 | Fisker | one day fewyn |
| 01:10.41 | Fisker | They've had their topmen looking at my package so now it looks like I might get it tomorrow \o/ |
| 01:13.04 | Fisker | ugh nevcairiel it wasn't working so I installed postfix so cron could mail me the error, and then it worked |
| 01:13.06 | Fisker | :'( |
| 01:18.55 | Stanzilla | what did you order, Fisker |
| 01:19.03 | Fisker | rpi3 |
| 01:29.15 | tz | I was gonna get one, but I have 7 other rpi's and I never use them so I figured no point |
| 01:29.31 | tz | from back when I had grand plans, sigh |
| 01:29.32 | kd3 | I'm still happy with my first-gen rpi |
| 01:29.51 | kd3 | no need to buy a 3 if I'm only using it as a vpn |
| 01:30.09 | tz | although I'm going to make a PSU+hub combo PCB in the next couple of weeks |
| 01:30.25 | tz | waiting for parts |
| 01:31.12 | Fisker | Isn't that dreadfully slow kd3 ? |
| 01:31.26 | kd3 | not really, the bottleneck is the usb speed |
| 01:31.44 | kd3 | and I'm not transferring bulk data around, it's just to get to my lan at the apartment |
| 01:31.50 | kd3 | largely for irc |
| 01:33.48 | Fisker | Hmm I thought even most consumer routers only have like a throughput of 20-30Mb/s |
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| 01:58.26 | Mr_Rabies | 10/100 ones maybe |
| 02:00.46 | Fisker | pls |
| 02:00.50 | Fisker | Hey Seerah |
| 02:00.55 | Seerah | hi, Fisker |
| 02:09.55 | mckenziemc | you seem to have forgotten US has slow internet, Fisker |
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| 02:40.55 | winny | lol https://i.4cdn.org/wg/1456455127869.png |
| 02:40.58 | winny | sfw |
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| 04:28.11 | Gethe | foxlit: the new beta patch may have broken somthing in luacasc. |
| 04:28.29 | Gethe | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.09 | Gethe | error: http://pastebin.com/NeMKdWYT |
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| 04:44.33 | mckenziemc1 | Gethe: is it because you aren't Legion? |
| 04:46.29 | Gethe | no |
| 04:47.02 | Gethe | i've had alpha since it began |
| 04:48.25 | mckenziemc1 | mass effect reference :( |
| 04:49.27 | Gethe | Legion was cool |
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| 05:16.44 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 05:22.49 | mckenziemc | redirects Fisker's RPi 3 and hugs Cairenn. |
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| 05:36.05 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker ^ mckenziemc |
| 05:36.11 | Cairenn | & |
| 05:40.14 | mckenziemc | i see that exclusive or |
| 05:43.38 | mckenziemc | exclusive or can fool Fisker, but not the both of us! |
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| 05:49.44 | mckenziemc | so apparently PLA will adhere to masking tape... indefinitely... |
| 05:50.01 | mckenziemc | on the plus side, that frees up my masking tape for other purposes (hello Amarande!) |
| 05:55.55 | Amarande | heh |
| 05:57.09 | Amarande | also, I think I had perhaps better earmark my jewelry slot on Kanai's Cube for the arcane immunity item pretty much here on out |
| 05:57.23 | Amarande | that's two hc characters this season who've died to stupid arcane enchanteds :| |
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| 07:04.02 | FireSiku | http://imgur.com/WQ2fOfz |
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| 08:06.17 | FireSiku | Finally. Guardian achieved in D3. Pretty happy. |
| 08:33.34 | VIad | FireSiku: guardian? |
| 08:34.55 | VIad | probably an achievement I dont know about :D |
| 08:40.11 | FireSiku | It's the last seasosnal journey. So I unlocked all the portraits and shit. |
| 08:40.23 | VIad | ah |
| 08:40.39 | VIad | once I got the one to complete 3 seasonal achievement thing |
| 08:40.42 | VIad | I was like meh fuck that |
| 08:40.46 | VIad | havent played D3 since :p |
| 08:40.55 | VIad | farmed it for a month and got tired basically |
| 08:41.03 | VIad | its a lot of farm :( |
| 08:41.17 | VIad | seasons at least give me a reason to jump back in from time to time |
| 08:43.29 | VIad | FireSiku: what do you play, wizard? |
| 08:50.08 | FireSiku | Yeah |
| 08:50.14 | FireSiku | Ive played a wizard every single season |
| 08:50.55 | FireSiku | and right now wizard is so overpowered im like "Yeah, i like wizards, but 1x Wizard + 3 Support is a really silly group makeup. That need to change" |
| 08:51.10 | FireSiku | Also, that's generally what seasons are to me. |
| 08:52.36 | FireSiku | I picked it up, play for 2-3 weeks, then i'm mostly done, just go like, 3 hours a week with friends. |
| 08:59.08 | VIad | I start late so I can get boosted :p |
| 09:08.00 | VIad | I play barbarians |
| 09:08.06 | VIad | because imo barbarian the OP class |
| 09:08.25 | VIad | should be. I mean they hit stuff and are angry and yell a lot. |
| 09:15.51 | Stanzilla | I think their nerf to the twister sword is too big |
| 09:16.02 | Stanzilla | 5 stacks is kinda low, I reach 8-12 solo all the time |
| 09:17.59 | VIad | why nerf? its end of season soon |
| 09:18.14 | VIad | its not like twister group setup isn't demanding at all |
| 09:18.23 | nevcairiel | its not nerfed mid-season, this is for the next one |
| 09:18.28 | VIad | ah ok |
| 09:19.07 | VIad | I guess an important factor are items dropping in next season too |
| 09:19.15 | VIad | changing playstyles |
| 09:19.32 | nevcairiel | seems like a minor balancing patch, no new items |
| 09:19.49 | VIad | in a new seasons, except the tier pieces, do they also add new individual pieces with passives? |
| 09:20.21 | nevcairiel | that depends, most seasons got a major content patch, but some just get minor patches |
| 09:22.08 | nevcairiel | looks like this one will just be minor |
| 09:22.23 | nevcairiel | balancing some sets and playstyles by changing numbers, no new items |
| 09:24.50 | VIad | thats boring then :p |
| 09:25.07 | VIad | this was my first season that I played properly |
| 09:26.14 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: I'm actually not sure they won't push this mid season |
| 09:26.21 | Stanzilla | most changes are buffs so ranks do not matter |
| 09:26.30 | nevcairiel | 3 months season is over soon anyway |
| 09:26.34 | nevcairiel | so i doubt it |
| 09:26.55 | Stanzilla | when? end of march? |
| 09:27.00 | nevcairiel | about there, yes |
| 09:27.10 | Stanzilla | yeah then it wont happen mid season |
| 09:27.32 | Stanzilla | I'm so not motivated for the next one |
| 09:27.43 | Stanzilla | but when I say I'm going casual again you know what happens |
| 09:27.49 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 09:28.18 | nevcairiel | I hate LoN builds, they are so insane to farm for but nothing else was competitive for my class |
| 09:28.34 | nevcairiel | maybe the buffs to some other sets fix some of that |
| 09:29.14 | Stanzilla | they should change LoN to give half the benefit on non ancient items |
| 09:29.20 | Stanzilla | that would fix some of that |
| 09:29.25 | nevcairiel | i suppose |
| 09:29.35 | VIad | why fix? LON is only for solo farming mostly right? |
| 09:29.40 | Stanzilla | no |
| 09:30.04 | VIad | only seen those monks in normal T10 farming :p |
| 09:30.19 | Stanzilla | you havent seen that much LoN builds because the current meta has no space for them |
| 09:30.30 | VIad | then again I play a lot solo GR and such, even farming |
| 09:30.31 | nevcairiel | you can also u se it for efficient farmin since you can freely combine it with all sorts of speed items |
| 09:30.33 | Stanzilla | and it's that hard to gear it |
| 09:31.11 | nevcairiel | the meta is stupid as fuck anyway |
| 09:31.21 | nevcairiel | 1x dps with 3x support should never be something blizzard allows |
| 09:31.35 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 09:31.48 | Stanzilla | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om5ysLr66sw < best example on why LoN is awesome |
| 09:32.19 | Stanzilla | underused item enables playstyle for really good players |
| 09:32.26 | Stanzilla | and is able to compete for top ranks |
| 09:32.50 | nevcairiel | well that would be fine, as long as its balanced with other builds =p |
| 09:33.00 | Stanzilla | it kinda is |
| 09:33.05 | nevcairiel | if its solo like 10 GRs higher than the class sets, its a problem |
| 09:33.11 | Stanzilla | it's liek 5 or so |
| 09:33.18 | Stanzilla | and you have to be really good to pull it off |
| 09:33.29 | Stanzilla | because you have to stay at low hp for the whole rift |
| 09:33.38 | VIad | but twister scales so well |
| 09:33.40 | nevcairiel | well for this one in particular |
| 09:33.44 | Stanzilla | ye |
| 09:33.47 | nevcairiel | i was talking in general |
| 09:33.54 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 09:34.04 | nevcairiel | i dont know shit about DHs :D |
| 09:34.06 | VIad | fully thing is its the only viable team build that can push the GR100 |
| 09:34.13 | VIad | funny* |
| 09:34.21 | VIad | havent seen other compositions manage GR100 yet |
| 09:34.33 | Stanzilla | it's retarded and blizzard knows and fixed it |
| 09:34.47 | VIad | fixed it by nerfing them so no one can manage GR100? :p |
| 09:35.04 | VIad | or rebalanced others to work better and that can compete with the twister setup? |
| 09:35.32 | nevcairiel | everyone gets stronger every season anyway, nerfing those that are way too strong on the top is just part of balancing, and bringing everyone else up to that level would just inflate power for no reason |
| 09:35.57 | VIad | imo if you can manage to find guys and make a strong premade twister group I dont see harm in that |
| 09:36.00 | VIad | its PVE anyway |
| 09:36.41 | Stanzilla | they buffed everything again |
| 09:37.00 | Stanzilla | I |
| 09:37.19 | Stanzilla | 'm just not sure the changes they made to the DMO / Twister combo is enough to keep them on the level of the others now |
| 09:38.10 | VIad | are you talking about solo wizard twister play? |
| 09:38.15 | VIad | I am talking about the group team |
| 09:38.18 | Stanzilla | solo and group yes |
| 09:38.26 | VIad | but solo and group are two wastly different things |
| 09:38.38 | Stanzilla | so? My concern is for both |
| 09:39.12 | nevcairiel | well they usually dont mind destroying a build entirely if it was way too strong before |
| 09:39.21 | VIad | if group one is broken and they can push GR100 then I dont see a problem, they after all put a lot of work to make it work to figure it out and such. while if you can solo farm GR90 while your friends are stuck at GR80 because balance, thats another case |
| 09:39.37 | Stanzilla | no |
| 09:39.42 | Stanzilla | 3 support 1 dps is not ok |
| 09:39.53 | Stanzilla | and the power of the spec came from those 3 support, nothing else |
| 09:40.01 | VIad | so nerf the support |
| 09:40.01 | VIad | :P |
| 09:40.02 | Stanzilla | and that's why it might be in trouble now |
| 09:40.04 | Stanzilla | they did |
| 09:40.23 | VIad | but did they without nerfing the classes when soloing? :p |
| 09:40.44 | VIad | like if your shout no longer gives armor, it affects your solo play suddenly if you use that in your setup |
| 09:40.47 | Stanzilla | no, that is why I said 5 stacks is too low |
| 09:43.52 | VIad | ugh the service provider changed stuff to their API and now suddenly one of the things I need doesn't work properly |
| 09:44.07 | VIad | and I really need it, cba to manually edit the fields in 250 entries :( |
| 09:50.12 | VIad | thank jesus the legacy API worked crisis averted |
| 09:50.30 | VIad | nevcairiel: what do you consider the best framework for a web service? |
| 09:50.51 | VIad | soap, rest, rpc? |
| 09:56.17 | VIad | json-rpc seems interesting |
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| 10:00.34 | Kalroth | restful for sure |
| 10:02.03 | VIad | issue is when rest isnt flexible enough and people try to add their ownthings on top of it |
| 10:02.31 | Maldivia | soap? what, are you 15 years behind? |
| 10:02.32 | VIad | later revisions worked on the issues but old software running older rest simply fixed it on their own - look at you sharepoint |
| 10:02.53 | VIad | just because something is old doesn't make it obscolete |
| 10:03.20 | Maldivia | in the case of soap, it does! |
| 10:03.31 | VIad | probably has its uses in some situations :p |
| 10:04.00 | VIad | but my issue with rest is batching |
| 10:04.11 | VIad | for example, quite often I query, get a parameter, then query again |
| 10:04.20 | VIad | so I do something logical on my end between queries |
| 10:04.44 | VIad | it would be nice if I could query fewer times and somehow do the logic on the server side :p so it too can handle the data efficiently and only serve me occasionally |
| 10:05.46 | VIad | you think "what the hell is he on about?" but in practice, sharepoint, doing some operations requires a lot of queries and early 2015 they added to office 365 the $batch endpoint that allows batching (but this isnt how rest specifies batching :p) |
| 10:06.31 | VIad | so I am using it as much as I can, but still, sometimes I am forced to query for more results than I need, that is also a drawback |
| 10:06.38 | VIad | for example you can $filter on properties, fine |
| 10:06.50 | VIad | but if you are doing $expand on multiple levels |
| 10:06.56 | VIad | suddenly its hard to specificy the filters :p |
| 10:07.15 | VIad | like you can filter the top layer, but the subsequent expands arent filterable in sharepoint |
| 10:07.57 | VIad | so lets say you are like me and wish to do one query and get a sitemap, after filtering it wouldnt be much data, but because I cant just do it all in one go I am forced to query multiple times and filter on each level then combine on the end |
| 10:08.14 | VIad | look it up, but I hope odata specs added better filtering support |
| 10:08.28 | VIad | not expecting microsoft to update sharepoint and theirs, probably wont happen, but for newer projects |
| 10:12.14 | VIad | going to test the odata4 on sharepoint, I have my doubts |
| 10:13.33 | VIad | nope :d |
| 10:13.44 | VIad | odata4 has nested expands, thats nice |
| 10:13.52 | VIad | with the ability to filter \o/ |
| 10:13.57 | VIad | just what I needed |
| 10:14.25 | VIad | what do you use rest for Kalroth? |
| 10:16.23 | VIad | I started to actively use it in combination with office 365/sharepoint development. I see there is a lot of improvements not in sharepoint. making it a bit hard to develop for, considering there are some major features lacking if you compare it to odata4 |
| 10:17.00 | VIad | also fun thing is if you query for stuff you dont have permissions for you get an error and your entire query or batch fails :p |
| 10:17.26 | VIad | instead of maybe returning an object for that specific property where the object is of a complex type that indicates error due to lack of permissions or something |
| 10:23.51 | Kalroth | odata is a general restful interface for data, so it is great if you need to share your storage entities directly to the client |
| 10:24.11 | Kalroth | otherwise i'd write a regular restful web api |
| 10:24.32 | VIad | I am reading about rest on odata.com |
| 10:24.46 | VIad | http://www.odata.org/ |
| 10:25.01 | Kalroth | yes, thats microsofts wrapper |
| 10:25.38 | VIad | define "regular REST" |
| 10:26.04 | Kalroth | http://www.restapitutorial.com/ |
| 10:27.51 | VIad | I just see odata.org only simpler and more explained than just documentation |
| 10:28.05 | Kalroth | well you're reading it wrong then |
| 10:28.19 | Kalroth | odata is almost soapifying rest, it makes it less transparent and much more cumbersome |
| 10:29.13 | Kalroth | a regular web api supplies simple resource objects that can easily be used in any JSON-able client |
| 10:30.33 | VIad | odata nor restapitutorial provide any server software implementation, they just specify the framwork how it works |
| 10:30.46 | Kalroth | .. |
| 10:30.50 | Kalroth | [11:28:06] <Kalroth> well you're reading it wrong then |
| 10:30.52 | VIad | thats why reading the pdf I found on restapitutorial looks like a simpler version of the odata pdf |
| 10:31.14 | VIad | it explains the uri scheme, but its just like what you find on odata only maybe simpler explanations |
| 10:31.33 | VIad | I seriously can't see a difference :p |
| 10:31.45 | Kalroth | how much web api experience do you have? |
| 10:32.16 | VIad | probably not enough if I dont see a clear difference :p |
| 10:34.21 | VIad | I'd assume the six constraints apply to the odata specification of rest as wlel |
| 10:34.36 | VIad | havent read the documentation from cover to cover |
| 10:35.40 | VIad | Kalroth: try to explain what you mean. so far you just linked me to a site, I gave my understanding but would like to hear what you mean |
| 10:36.02 | Kalroth | [11:28:19] <Kalroth> odata is almost soapifying rest, it makes it less transparent and much more cumbersome |
| 10:36.02 | Kalroth | [11:29:14] <Kalroth> a regular web api supplies simple resource objects that can easily be used in any JSON-able client |
| 10:37.37 | VIad | what do you mean by "soapifying rest" |
| 10:37.50 | VIad | can you show me an example of how that would look |
| 10:38.40 | Kalroth | well yeah, i just assumed you were looking at odata documentation |
| 10:38.41 | Kalroth | http://docs.oasis-open.org/odata/odata/v4.0/odata-v4.0-part1-protocol.html |
| 10:39.20 | Kalroth | http://www.odata.org/getting-started/basic-tutorial/ see the response payload in this basic example |
| 10:39.32 | Kalroth | that isn't a simple resource object |
| 10:40.20 | Kalroth | it contains a lot of meta data and it is very odata specific, a protocol that only microsoft use so far |
| 10:40.31 | VIad | what I am taking out from this is, make your web service feel like how odata specifies rest but drop a lot of "useless" things for your service if its not really required :p |
| 10:41.00 | VIad | I just find odata complete on specifying how rest works. even the wiki just refers you to odata articles. |
| 10:41.34 | Kalroth | no, that's why i said soapifying |
| 10:41.49 | Kalroth | rest is not a standard or protocol, it's a guideline |
| 10:41.59 | VIad | yeah |
| 10:42.12 | VIad | well it should be a standard |
| 10:42.12 | Kalroth | odata does not follow common rest conventions, they build upon resources, but everything else is odata only |
| 10:42.17 | VIad | otherwise its a mess making libraries :p |
| 10:42.28 | Kalroth | so you end up with an api that requires odata |
| 10:43.39 | VIad | I guess if you were to make a web service to be used by millions of users and you want some sort of structure, odata isnt a bad thing. at least you and your users would know how to use your service. |
| 10:44.03 | VIad | but if you make your own thing, will probably work fine, all depends if you find a lot of the odata4 features useful I guess |
| 10:44.26 | Kalroth | no, i'm saying odata is a bad thing is you expect your service to used by millions |
| 10:45.12 | Kalroth | its fine if you want to use it internally, but it's a terrible format to expose to end-user browsers or apps |
| 10:45.32 | Kalroth | especially if you want web client or app client developers to use it |
| 10:45.35 | VIad | I wouldn't say so but... |
| 10:46.26 | VIad | how does the wrapped data make it worse developing web clients? |
| 10:46.33 | VIad | like overhead? |
| 10:47.11 | Kalroth | like you need an odata library to use them, because they are so complicated |
| 10:48.55 | VIad | haven't really thought about it. I had to make my own library for sharepoint since its odata2 or something, and modified on top of that, I will say it did take a lot of trial and error to figure it all out, not all is documented either, but I wouldn't say no if I could get a odata library to help me out tbh :P |
| 10:50.33 | VIad | but I think I understood what you meant earlier. |
| 10:52.50 | VIad | I haven't made my own web service, but I'd probably use a simpler version of odata, like how the site you linked assists with. |
| 10:54.49 | foxlit | Gethe: the lib is fine, but your script is toast. |
| 10:56.41 | foxlit | (I should've wrapped the first :readFile in an assert in example code; would've made for a more directly informative error message) |
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| 11:32.57 | VIad | foxlit: is it a toast lib? |
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| 14:45.12 | foxlit | Blizzard_MapCanvas is a lie, yeah? |
| 14:57.28 | karl_w_w | okay |
| 14:57.36 | karl_w_w | so my start menu stopped working |
| 14:57.57 | mckenziemc | now it's your stop menu |
| 14:58.17 | karl_w_w | budum-tiss |
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| 15:11.35 | mckenziemc | hugs Cairenn. |
| 15:11.44 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
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| 16:04.23 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: talk to Kesava about it |
| 16:05.39 | karl_w_w | why, what's gonna happen? :P |
| 16:06.24 | karl_w_w | well the first time it happened, restarting explorer fixed it |
| 16:06.35 | karl_w_w | this time explorer wont start |
| 16:10.53 | Gnarfoz | the Start Menu isn't part of Explorer anymore, but having watched Kesava's videos, even restarting ShellExperienceHost is not going to help |
| 16:11.04 | Gnarfoz | do the Win95-y thing and reboot, I guess |
| 16:11.11 | Gnarfoz | or perhaps logout/login? |
| 16:12.12 | Kesava | you need to make two fresh profiles and copy appdata/local/tiledatalayer from one in to your main profile. |
| 16:12.34 | Kesava | you need 2 because you can't do anything with that folder when its in use. |
| 16:13.07 | nevcairiel | copy it out from the working profile on your broken one, then log back to the fresh one and replace the broken with the copy you just made |
| 16:13.09 | Kesava | alternatively use an OS which isn't a buggy pos |
| 16:13.10 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 16:13.50 | Kesava | that would work. maybe. |
| 16:13.51 | karl_w_w | I'll bet a restart fixes it |
| 16:14.53 | karl_w_w | ooh and I have updates to install apparently |
| 16:14.59 | karl_w_w | perhaps that is to blame somehow |
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| 16:17.19 | karl_w_w | seems fine |
| 16:17.47 | karl_w_w | ok maybe not |
| 16:18.07 | karl_w_w | it works but every time i open the start menu, a notification comes ip saying updates were installed |
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| 16:27.24 | emihir0 | guy how come that when a chinese symbol is inserted into chat, it will change the font... for example - https://i.gyazo.com/3cfcd03336fe654539d34f60ae5104c3.png, it is more noticeable in trade chat though |
| 16:28.20 | nevcairiel | thats normal, the default font doesnt have the chinese or russian symbols, so it changes to one that does |
| 16:30.14 | emihir0 | https://i.gyazo.com/8e50e49eb5b08f199006b4732df1c96a.png here it is very clearly visible |
| 16:31.57 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 16:33.29 | emihir0 | i see, thanks guys |
| 16:34.14 | VIad | karl_w_w: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNVrqS1wUYY |
| 16:34.59 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 16:35.58 | VIad | I've had that thing with the sound during a game... sounded like gunfire. NO clue where and what. it stayed whole game. :( |
| 16:36.03 | VIad | I was playing online at that time |
| 16:39.06 | karl_w_w | that wasn't even everything lol |
| 16:39.22 | karl_w_w | every moment there seems to be some new fuck up |
| 16:39.37 | karl_w_w | did you see kotlguy's vlog? he looked ready to cry almost |
| 16:42.20 | karl_w_w | http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/1761 lol |
| 16:43.46 | VIad | :D haha |
| 16:44.04 | VIad | I liked the one where you heard some guy in the back room yell |
| 16:44.07 | VIad | what was that? |
| 16:44.50 | karl_w_w | not sure, don't think we ever found out |
| 16:45.16 | karl_w_w | one idea is it was the keytv guy in charge of production arguing about how it's not their fault |
| 16:48.56 | karl_w_w | I'm just excited to see what else can go wrong |
| 16:49.49 | Shirik | wtf fedex |
| 16:49.58 | Shirik | 3:20 amDeparted FedEx locationFORT WORTH, TX |
| 16:49.59 | Shirik | :19 amOn FedEx vehicle for deliveryHOOD RIVER, OR |
| 16:50.45 | Shirik | 8:19* |
| 16:56.29 | karl_w_w | what's wrong with that Shirik? |
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| 18:43.55 | Fisker | Hey kd3 |
| 18:43.59 | kd3 | 'lo |
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| 21:38.13 | VIad | karl_w_w: why does dota say there is a stream, but its black for 40 hours? |
| 21:40.14 | Phatso | is that a reference to the whole china thing? |
| 21:40.46 | VIad | I mean its in china, but doesnt explain the dark stream :< |
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| 22:14.02 | airtonix | good thing this isn't #minecraft, or there'd be things triggering up all over the place |
| 22:16.49 | Trela | TRIGGERED. |
| 22:17.30 | bshelden | triggers the trigger |
| 22:18.27 | Phatso | what happened? |
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| 22:49.09 | VIad | TRIGGERED |
| 22:51.09 | bshelden | triggers the trigger triggered on a triggered trigger |
| 22:54.36 | foxlit | heh, the chat changes thread is 16 pages. |
| 22:55.20 | Stanzilla | what are they complaining abotu? |
| 22:55.37 | nevcairiel | the usual, omg sky is falling i have to update WIM =p |
| 22:56.20 | foxlit | cross-faction multiple-player chat, apparently. |
| 22:56.45 | nevcairiel | so its about the removal of group convos? |
| 22:57.10 | foxlit | afaict. |
| 22:57.18 | nevcairiel | i have not once used that feature |
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| 22:59.26 | Mr_Rabies | well that's awkward |
| 22:59.38 | Mr_Rabies | trade chat forwarder's hidden channel somehow became /1 |
| 22:59.50 | nevcairiel | hidden channels are a pest |
| 23:00.00 | nevcairiel | i havent seen an addon that caused them to screw up eventually |
| 23:00.12 | nevcairiel | not screw up* |
| 23:01.07 | Torhal | I thought everyone knew they were a bad idea back curing TBC. |
| 23:01.12 | Torhal | during* |
| 23:01.32 | nevcairiel | still the only solution for some use-cases, so some misguided addons keep coming back to them |
| 23:02.06 | Mr_Rabies | is there another solution to them for TCF? |
| 23:02.33 | nevcairiel | mesh networking! |
| 23:02.50 | Guill | Hopefully we'll have time to add a solution to that at some point. We've discussed a couple ideas, just haven't had time to implement them :( |
| 23:03.09 | nevcairiel | not sure why anyone would want to see trade chat though, i dont want to see it in cities, nevermind everywhere |
| 23:03.27 | foxlit | nevcairiel: imagine if trade chat was actually /trade/ chat. |
| 23:03.38 | nevcairiel | foxlit: but we all know the reality |
| 23:03.40 | Torhal | Instead of spamchat? |
| 23:03.50 | foxlit | but that just means you're not filtering it hard enough. |
| 23:04.00 | nevcairiel | i filter it, hard |
| 23:04.07 | nevcairiel | 100% block rate |
| 23:04.27 | foxlit | 100% false-positive rate, too. |
| 23:06.20 | Semlar | depends on the server |
| 23:06.42 | foxlit | [tbh, the actual solution for trade is to import the black lion trading post wholesale, and remove the trade channel.] |
| 23:06.53 | bshelden | Sticking with pretending that global channels simply aren't a think in wow... |
| 23:06.55 | Semlar | crz really screws up realm-wide addon channel usage though |
| 23:07.14 | Semlar | for certain things you want to use it for |
| 23:07.37 | Mr_Rabies | i love trade chat, personally |
| 23:07.39 | foxlit | all of /those/ use cases are icky. |
| 23:07.51 | nevcairiel | could just be constrainted to your (connected)-realm(s) and documented as such |
| 23:07.55 | Semlar | i'd like to be able to create a zone-wide addon channel that actually worked with people who were in the same phase as you |
| 23:08.16 | Mr_Rabies | people still don't realize LookingForGroup is global again for some reason |
| 23:08.18 | mckenziemc | you can |
| 23:08.24 | mckenziemc | just requires you be offline |
| 23:08.29 | Mr_Rabies | so when i use it people tend to freak out |
| 23:08.56 | nevcairiel | First thing when I create a new character is leaving all chat channels, even before I fix their UI :P |
| 23:11.02 | Semlar | antisocial, nevcairiel |
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| 23:11.21 | nevcairiel | most definitely |
| 23:11.25 | Semlar | but not wrong |
| 23:12.27 | mckenziemc | wrong |
| 23:16.28 | Torhal | wrongs mckenziemc. |
| 23:16.53 | mckenziemc | double-wrongs Torhal. |
| 23:17.12 | Torhal | double-dog-dares mckenziemc. |
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| 23:27.20 | Semlar | hounds torhal |
| 23:27.35 | Torhal | lets the Semlar out. |
| 23:27.59 | bshelden | I guess that settles that mystery. |
| 23:28.54 | foxlit | updated https://www.townlong-yak.com/casc/ for some minor boring stuff. |
| 23:29.28 | nevcairiel | you should provide a changelog =p |
| 23:29.32 | foxlit | I do. |
| 23:30.49 | nevcairiel | on the website! |
| 23:31.24 | nevcairiel | hm why is my internet so sluggish today |
| 23:31.59 | mckenziemc | are you in america today? |
| 23:32.01 | foxlit | I haven't figured out how to add multiple pages yet. |
| 23:34.28 | foxlit | (the only interesting change is that conf.cache now pulls its default value from the environment, which means you could specify a cache path in your bash profile or something, instead of individual scripts, which helps a bit if you have more than one of those) |
| 23:34.49 | nevcairiel | i really only use one, and i probably need to update it for legion |
| 23:34.56 | nevcairiel | wonder if they changed Map.dbc |
| 23:36.13 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.39 | nevcairiel | well likely Map.db2 then! |
| 23:38.02 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.15 | nevcairiel | is that good or bad |
| 23:40.02 | foxlit | it exists, which is good. |
| 23:40.14 | foxlit | but you get to write your own dbc parser. |
| 23:40.17 | mckenziemc | maybe |
| 23:40.30 | nevcairiel | :( no updates to yours for the new format? |
| 23:40.49 | Mr_Rabies | is there an easier way to fix the chat channels thing than leaving all of them and rejoining in the right order? |
| 23:41.10 | Mr_Rabies | or can i just like, disable TCF, leave its channel, and relog? |
| 23:41.31 | foxlit | try that and get back to us. |
| 23:41.50 | Mr_Rabies | fite me irl |
| 23:41.54 | Mr_Rabies | >:O |
| 23:41.57 | foxlit | nevcairiel: maybe eventually. |
| 23:42.12 | Mr_Rabies | oh, i didn't even have to do that, relogging just fixed it |
| 23:42.14 | Mr_Rabies | weird |
| 23:43.20 | foxlit | no beta access, though, so not terribly motivated to write code that might have to be replaced. |
| 23:43.38 | nevcairiel | well i assume you are on Cairenn's list |
| 23:43.51 | kd3 | wtf seriously? is your email the same as for the warlords alpha? I'll send for a key |
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| 23:44.13 | nevcairiel | should get me one too! |
| 23:44.28 | foxlit | nevcairiel: no; kd3: yes. |
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| 23:59.59 | mckenziemc | i hear Semlar2 has 2, you should steal his. |
