| 00:06.11 | Mr_Rabies | i love everything about minion except how bad it is at knowing whether or not it should update |
| 00:07.18 | Mr_Rabies | it thinks i have a different version installed, or that the available version is differnt for around 36 addons i have installed |
| 00:07.29 | Mr_Rabies | almost all false positives |
| 00:38.07 | Semlar | marks Mr_Rabies as outdated |
| 00:39.17 | Mr_Rabies | jokes on you you'll never publish me! |
| 00:39.19 | Mr_Rabies | :v |
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| 02:40.16 | Arrowmaster | huh apparently ive been part of overwatch closed beta for 6 days |
| 02:56.53 | Trela | >:O |
| 02:58.55 | Arrowmaster | would help if i checked to see if it would run in wine before starting the download, good thing i realized it does not before finishing the download |
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| 04:27.48 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, i'm looking for a new bag addon since the one i'm using is a bit buggy and the developer no longer plays, but i can't really find one that's very different from just "here are all your bags in one frame" |
| 04:32.34 | Mr_Rabies | anyone know of anything that isn't basically just like arkinventory or bagnon? |
| 04:32.50 | Seerah | Combuctor? |
| 04:32.58 | Trela | Bagnon... On. |
| 04:33.00 | Trela | *Oh. |
| 04:33.15 | Mr_Rabies | i love adibags but it has a few bugs that are annoying, and the author's not playing anymore :( |
| 04:33.47 | Trela | So you want your bags separated still? |
| 04:34.07 | Mr_Rabies | not exactly by bag, but by item type, maybe, i dunno |
| 04:34.20 | Trela | Bagnon has a setting to separate the bags at least. |
| 04:34.25 | Mr_Rabies | i really just want something different than either the default ui or a single bag |
| 04:34.36 | Mr_Rabies | to try out |
| 04:34.40 | Seerah | Did you look at Combuctor? |
| 04:34.48 | Mr_Rabies | i've used it before, forgot why i dropped it, lemme see |
| 04:36.27 | Mr_Rabies | looks all but abandoned too, with lots of comments asking questions and no replies |
| 04:36.38 | Seerah | It's not abandoned |
| 04:36.41 | Seerah | and works fine |
| 04:37.11 | airtonix__ | worked for me... four years ago |
| 04:38.47 | Seerah | (at least I haven't heard anything about it being abandoned - has several updated on GitHub, if not pushed to WoWI - but, again, works fine) |
| 04:39.34 | Seerah | ah, more recently updated on Curse, it seems |
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| 04:43.17 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully by the time legion is out i can just use a single bag addon or the default bags, since a lot of clutter is gonna go into the wardrobe thing |
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| 04:51.35 | nebula | i use baggins, similar to adibags in that you have multiple categories of stuff, differs in those categories are completely up to you to make |
| 04:52.09 | nebula | but like the others, don't think it has been updated for a bit |
| 04:52.26 | Mr_Rabies | you can make custom categories in adibags though the interface for that kinda sucks |
| 04:53.00 | Mr_Rabies | i have ones like "Garrison Tokens" etc |
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| 05:42.41 | tz | in arkinventory I have a "not soulbound and sells on the AH for 400g+ based on TSM pricing information" category, lol |
| 05:49.33 | Amarande | as opposed to "BoP and sells on the AH for thousands of gold" which is what auctioneer loves to tell you :) |
| 05:56.11 | bluspacecow | https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/45wmu8/how_dare_you_ripping_me_off_like_that/ |
| 05:56.17 | bluspacecow | *facepalm* |
| 05:57.03 | Xuerian | Baggins can be set up to be category-based bags. It requires a bit more doing to get how you want than others, though. |
| 06:54.45 | mckenziemc | Mr_Rabies: TBag |
| 07:16.23 | Mr_Rabies | big crates of salvage should stack to 200 :( |
| 07:16.56 | Mr_Rabies | i kinda want to hang onto them for when the new xmog stuff unlocks, but at 20/stack i just cleared out about half of mine i had stored up |
| 07:17.01 | Mr_Rabies | still have 10 stacks :X |
| 07:18.31 | Semlar | hoarder |
| 07:30.42 | Mr_Rabies | absolutely |
| 07:31.07 | Mr_Rabies | i'm gonna gain like 200 item slots on one char when 7.0 hits :v |
| 07:31.55 | bluspacecow | lol |
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| 08:27.51 | bluspacecow | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1950404-Blizzard-please-add-the-option-to-restore-vanilla-sounds?p=38833330&viewfull=1#post38833330 |
| 08:27.55 | bluspacecow | #wat.jpg |
| 08:30.45 | Semlar | yeah it takes a lot of processing to drop a sound file in the directory for the game to read |
| 08:31.06 | bluspacecow | its soooooooo hard semlar |
| 08:31.13 | bluspacecow | *dramatically faints on Semlar* |
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| 08:31.20 | Semlar | dies |
| 08:31.32 | Semlar | dramatically |
| 08:34.38 | Semlar | i'm assuming they changed the gun sound because people complained about how annoying it was all the time |
| 08:35.53 | nevcairiel | the permanent bang was kinda annoying |
| 08:36.16 | Semlar | having played a hunter all through tbc, yes it was |
| 08:36.26 | Semlar | thank god for crossbows |
| 08:36.33 | nevcairiel | you know, or bows |
| 08:36.41 | Semlar | pfft, bows |
| 08:37.00 | nevcairiel | was there even a crossbow in recent raid content |
| 08:37.02 | nevcairiel | i dont remember |
| 08:37.02 | Semlar | i had that ridiculous crossbow from the timeless isle for.. ever |
| 08:37.07 | Semlar | we |
| 08:37.13 | Semlar | er not timeless isle |
| 08:37.27 | Semlar | the.. old.. timeless isle.. |
| 08:37.33 | nevcairiel | luckily you can mog it around and get the sound of the mogged device as well |
| 08:37.57 | nevcairiel | if all else fails mog to the silent gun from pandaria = p |
| 08:38.40 | Semlar | my hunter was also in like full leather rogue gear and had a melee weapon and a quiver |
| 08:39.26 | nevcairiel | you seem to have missed the point of hunters |
| 08:40.00 | Semlar | umm hunter loot? |
| 08:40.17 | Semlar | what is the point of hunters |
| 08:40.39 | nevcairiel | wearing mail for one =p |
| 08:41.23 | Semlar | no way, the rogue gear didn't waste stats on useless things like intellect |
| 08:43.15 | Semlar | you think they'll ever let us apply enchant effects to our guns |
| 08:43.31 | nevcairiel | you mean visible effect or what |
| 08:43.35 | Semlar | yeah |
| 08:43.40 | Xuerian | Wasn't there a single gun that got enchant effects? |
| 08:43.49 | nevcairiel | maybe those engineering scopes should just be visible |
| 08:43.50 | Semlar | it briefly worked for the wolfslayer sniper rifle for one enchant |
| 08:43.59 | Xuerian | Ahh yeah |
| 08:44.02 | Semlar | until blizzard decided THAT WAS OVERPOWERED |
| 08:44.12 | Xuerian | hue |
| 08:44.13 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.32 | nevcairiel | looks kinda silly to have your gun glow |
| 08:44.45 | Semlar | LOOKS KIND OF SILLY TO HAVE YOUR WEAPON GLOW |
| 08:45.08 | nevcairiel | glowing swords or staves have been shown in fantasy everywhere! |
| 08:45.20 | Semlar | only a handful of ranged weapons actually had attachment points for enchant effects |
| 08:45.37 | Semlar | some of them have their own particles and lasers and stuff |
| 08:45.45 | nevcairiel | i actually hide the glow on my current weapon because i find it looks silly |
| 08:45.48 | nevcairiel | since the staff itself glows |
| 08:46.12 | Semlar | my weapon is a zergling so |
| 08:46.24 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.58 | Semlar | all it does is twitch and drool |
| 08:47.39 | nevcairiel | does it shoot goo instead of arrows/bolts |
| 08:47.47 | Semlar | do you suppose they're ever going to fix the armory so that it actually generates all of the models for your gear |
| 08:48.21 | Semlar | like, it's completely missing the giant belt buckle for this set |
| 08:48.37 | nevcairiel | its really mostly belts being broken in this expansion |
| 08:49.05 | Semlar | it's because they added attachments to them that their renderer doesn't render |
| 08:49.22 | Semlar | but there's also the issue that it simply displays the wrong version of some items, like the normal version instead of the mythic one |
| 08:49.54 | Semlar | i'm not convinced they have a web team |
| 09:00.44 | Semlar | literally unplayable |
| 09:08.31 | nebula | i've assumed the web team is the one guy that posts about web api stuff |
| 09:09.37 | nebula | always says he hasn't gotten to stuff for pretty much anything web related |
| 09:10.40 | Semlar | considering how long this has been broken for i suspect it's not very high on their todo list |
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| 09:13.39 | Semlar | now the real question is can i transmog my hunter melee weapon into a bow and hit people with it |
| 09:29.19 | Torhal | I don't think that's actually a real question, Semlar. |
| 09:29.33 | Semlar | there are no stupid questions torhal |
| 09:29.47 | Torhal | I didn't say it was stupid. I said it wasn't real. |
| 09:29.47 | VIad | why does glass taste like blood? |
| 09:29.58 | Torhal | stabs VIad with a trampoline. |
| 09:30.00 | Semlar | only stupid people |
| 09:30.27 | VIad | /me Vlad bounces. Wheee! |
| 09:30.52 | Torhal | wonders why VIad hits his space key before typing /me |
| 09:31.10 | Semlar | he's spacey |
| 09:31.19 | Torhal | Oh. |
| 09:31.33 | VIad | :D |
| 09:32.29 | VIad | useful tip: windows key + p |
| 09:33.08 | Torhal | How is that helpful on a Mac? |
| 09:34.03 | VIad | it's not helpful. thus keeping within the designed boundaries of macs. |
| 09:34.41 | Semlar | just plug a windows keyboard into it |
| 09:35.10 | Torhal | I think VIad is trying to get punched by a Mac fanboy. What do you think, Semlar? |
| 09:35.22 | Torhal | plugs a windows keyboard into Semlar. |
| 09:35.22 | Semlar | i try not to think too much |
| 09:35.25 | VIad | can you? don't they block anything not apple genuine? |
| 09:35.42 | Semlar | ctrl+shift+escapes torhal |
| 09:35.47 | Torhal | No, there are plenty of third-party peripherals. |
| 09:36.00 | Torhal | I have no tasks, Semlar. |
| 09:36.47 | VIad | do we have mac fanboys in here? |
| 09:36.50 | VIad | any* |
| 09:37.11 | VIad | I don't mind mac. not owning one is mostly a financial reason than anything else. :p |
| 09:38.47 | Torhal | I think Semlar is a Big Mac fanboy, VIad. |
| 09:39.10 | Semlar | i'm on windows 7 |
| 09:39.24 | Torhal | What does that have to do with sandwiches? |
| 09:39.28 | VIad | ^ ror |
| 09:39.34 | VIad | even I got that one |
| 09:39.58 | Torhal | Ruby on Rails? |
| 09:39.59 | Torhal | WAT |
| 09:40.09 | VIad | heard that term somewhere |
| 09:40.12 | Semlar | are you going off the rails |
| 09:40.16 | VIad | web related I guess |
| 09:40.26 | Torhal | This conversation is off the hook. |
| 09:40.42 | VIad | I never liked ruby :( should I change that? |
| 09:40.50 | Semlar | no |
| 09:40.51 | Torhal | I've never looked at Ruby. |
| 09:41.00 | Torhal | I hear she kills people for it. |
| 09:41.03 | Semlar | webscales torhal |
| 09:41.19 | Torhal | confines Semlar to a Docker instance. |
| 09:41.33 | VIad | oh lord, method calls without () :o |
| 09:41.39 | VIad | "Staph".reverse |
| 09:41.56 | VIad | it just assumes you meant .reverse() |
| 09:41.59 | VIad | with no arguments |
| 09:42.10 | VIad | I dont like it when languages assume too much |
| 09:42.23 | VIad | except php, the only language I can bare that assumes too much :p |
| 09:42.28 | Semlar | you can call functions without parentheses in lua |
| 09:42.31 | VIad | yes |
| 09:43.02 | VIad | obj.stuff would return the pointer though not call it and return the value |
| 09:43.19 | Semlar | obj.stuff'' would call it though |
| 09:43.22 | VIad | yea |
| 09:43.40 | Semlar | which in a way is even worse |
| 09:43.54 | VIad | at least you define empty param with the quotations |
| 09:44.12 | VIad | obj.stuff("hi") obj.stuff"hi" fine enough |
| 09:44.21 | VIad | but obj.stuff being interpret as obj.stuff() ? |
| 09:44.43 | VIad | if this short intro to ruby is correct then it assumes you meant to call a function, I dont like that :< |
| 09:45.48 | VIad | meh, no time to look at ruby now |
| 09:47.42 | VIad | I don't know if I lost weight or the pants got larger. bought new pants. usually tighter, but felt sloppier now. |
| 09:47.58 | VIad | I'll interpret it as loosing weight I guess :p |
| 09:48.35 | VIad | Semlar: got into legion yet? |
| 09:48.49 | Semlar | i think you'll know if i get into the beta |
| 09:49.05 | VIad | :d |
| 09:49.16 | VIad | cairenn submit the mails last week. was just wondering. |
| 09:49.35 | VIad | I am in the second batch, so you have to start without me. |
| 09:50.11 | Semlar | oh i didn't even know there was a signup |
| 09:50.27 | VIad | hurry to join my batch then! its on wowui front page. |
| 09:51.27 | Semlar | i have a hard time believing there's been 97 other addon authors before me |
| 09:51.29 | VIad | maybe we should append something to the irc topic regarding te signup |
| 09:51.36 | Semlar | there's like 10 addon authors |
| 09:51.41 | VIad | nice. you just made it in the second batch :p |
| 09:51.45 | Semlar | 15 tops |
| 09:51.56 | VIad | there are many small time coders |
| 09:52.35 | VIad | ofc not many on the scale of nevcairiel or foxlit |
| 09:52.37 | Semlar | do i even have any addons |
| 09:52.50 | VIad | you got your map addon |
| 09:52.54 | VIad | and nameplates |
| 09:52.55 | Semlar | good enough |
| 09:53.20 | VIad | going to be fun to remake my nameplates with the new system too |
| 09:53.34 | VIad | first I'll try out the new nameplates, look nice to me. I liked the minimalist style. |
| 09:53.38 | Semlar | it's going to be fun breaking the new system |
| 09:53.42 | VIad | :D |
| 09:54.39 | VIad | I really like the new nameplate units. feels like someone finally heard my whine about those. |
| 09:55.10 | Semlar | the trick is to whine directly to guillotine when he's in here |
| 09:55.23 | VIad | hehe |
| 09:55.45 | Semlar | that's how we got the UnitPosition function |
| 09:56.26 | VIad | does it only return x,y or z as well? |
| 09:56.36 | nevcairiel | it returns z, but it doesnt contain valid data |
| 09:56.43 | Semlar | well, it returns 0 for z |
| 09:56.44 | VIad | :/ |
| 09:56.59 | Semlar | they don't want us to know how high we are |
| 09:57.00 | VIad | it would have been nice with a z but oh well |
| 09:57.17 | nevcairiel | Semlar: the answer is "very" anyway |
| 09:57.39 | VIad | living in liberal states has its perks |
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| 09:58.24 | Semlar | i think they only blanked out the z axis because they were adding it as an alternative to the map function and the map couldn't give us z and they didn't want to add anything we didn't already have access to |
| 09:58.48 | nevcairiel | for my purposes x and y is already plenty |
| 09:59.04 | VIad | one addon that would benefit from z is gathermate |
| 09:59.14 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 09:59.18 | nevcairiel | shit doesnt just grow in the air |
| 09:59.22 | Semlar | it's a lot better than having to rely on the map functions but i don't particularly know why it matters whether we can get z |
| 09:59.28 | nevcairiel | its always on the ground |
| 10:00.11 | VIad | with z tomtom could also point more approprietly if you save a location youve visited earlier |
| 10:00.38 | VIad | probably more neat things we could do with a z axis, probably nothing game breaking |
| 10:00.52 | Semlar | i guess they want us to look at our screen every once in a while |
| 10:01.16 | VIad | I hope they increase nameplate ranges |
| 10:01.36 | VIad | I like the new cvar to make tab only tab to targets in combat, or in front of you |
| 10:01.39 | Semlar | they really should fix the nameplate range |
| 10:01.57 | Semlar | if we can attack a unit we should be able to see its nameplate |
| 10:02.02 | VIad | ^ |
| 10:02.23 | VIad | also what about now showing nameplates on units out of LOS? |
| 10:02.26 | nevcairiel | nameplates should be smarter about visibility, like lower range to hide them on z differences |
| 10:02.42 | nevcairiel | in s ome dungeons with multiple levels you get mob nameplates through the ground |
| 10:02.44 | nevcairiel | its super annoying |
| 10:03.01 | Semlar | from the brief beta video footage i saw, it looked like nameplates for tall units were going to be visible |
| 10:03.07 | Gnarfoz | nameplates... THRU THE GROUND |
| 10:03.17 | VIad | imo increase range to show nameplates for stuff you can attack and hide nameplates on stuff that you cant see (LOS) |
| 10:03.34 | nevcairiel | hiding them for LoS would probably be bad for pvp |
| 10:03.34 | VIad | only show valid nameplates of things you see |
| 10:03.37 | VIad | yeah |
| 10:03.43 | VIad | next level :p |
| 10:03.45 | VIad | make it harder |
| 10:03.59 | VIad | make combat log not show events about units you dont see LOS either |
| 10:04.04 | Semlar | pfft |
| 10:04.06 | VIad | call it hardcore pvp |
| 10:04.13 | Semlar | that would be a disaster |
| 10:04.19 | nevcairiel | that would totally destroy any kind of accurate combat logging |
| 10:04.25 | Semlar | i thought the combat log was disabled in arenas anyway |
| 10:04.35 | Semlar | maybe not |
| 10:04.53 | VIad | if you cant see the enemy, you shouldnt be able to tell info about them the log and such either, nameplates, e.g. |
| 10:05.09 | VIad | make LOS and your camera play a role to make it more immersive |
| 10:05.20 | nevcairiel | maybe you can still hear how he is casting some spell? |
| 10:05.22 | Semlar | not being able to get combat log events for units out of line of sight would be fucking horrible |
| 10:05.23 | nevcairiel | ever think about that? |
| 10:05.24 | nevcairiel | did you? |
| 10:05.25 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 10:05.30 | VIad | yeah ofc |
| 10:05.38 | VIad | some spells would generate louder sounds than others |
| 10:05.39 | Semlar | i assume you're only talking about pvp |
| 10:05.56 | VIad | so it would also count in the complexity and decision making |
| 10:06.36 | VIad | atm it just doesn't feel like its a big deal if someone hides from you. you still see them, nameplates, what they do, combatlogs and tons of pvp addons, makes walls only hinder LOS for attacks. |
| 10:06.50 | VIad | would be fun if LOS could be used for tactical advantage, not just to avoid getting hit |
| 10:06.52 | nevcairiel | not being able to attack them is plenty =p |
| 10:07.10 | nevcairiel | playing hide and seek in arenas would be terrible |
| 10:07.18 | VIad | you can easily see what direction they run. if its a wall, would be fun if you had to go around to see, and not just stand there looking at the nameplate |
| 10:07.28 | VIad | would need to redesign the maps ofc |
| 10:07.43 | VIad | but it would bring more depth to the pvp scene, maybe even pve :p |
| 10:07.50 | Semlar | to be honest, i've always thought being able to see nameplates through walls wasn't very fair |
| 10:08.07 | nevcairiel | and now they add demon hunters that can literally see through walls and stealth |
| 10:08.23 | VIad | thats fine, its their ability :p |
| 10:09.10 | VIad | they try make melee more immersive by adding nicer animations and effects when striking |
| 10:09.13 | VIad | thats neat changes |
| 10:09.21 | VIad | could do even more to make it even more immersive :) |
| 10:09.24 | VIad | maybe for next expansion |
| 10:10.17 | VIad | or has blizz already started to plan wow 9.x? |
| 10:10.30 | nevcairiel | plans until wow 42.x |
| 10:11.36 | Torhal | [03:56:59] <Semlar>they don't want us to know how high we are <-- Not certain there's a way to measure with you. |
| 10:12.00 | Semlar | my body is a temple |
| 10:12.37 | Semlar | probably for one of those weirder religions |
| 10:13.09 | Torhal | Neffiana Jones and the Semlar of Shrooms. |
| 10:13.27 | Semlar | there's a fungus among us |
| 10:16.57 | VIad | you can't spell fun without fungus |
| 10:19.51 | Cairenn | (4:51:25 AM) VIad: maybe we should append something to the irc topic regarding te signup <-- points to the channel topic :p |
| 10:20.01 | Cairenn | it was appended the day I put the news post up |
| 10:20.06 | Cairenn | rolls her eyes |
| 10:20.38 | nevcairiel | dont get upset about VIad, he doesnt even have all the letters in his name setup right |
| 10:21.07 | Torhal | Give him a break, nevcairiel. I'm sure it can't be easy having illiteracy. |
| 10:21.37 | VIad | fun fact: the topic is so long I didnt see the last part :p |
| 10:21.44 | VIad | truncated ftw! had to mouseover |
| 10:21.51 | Gnarfoz | fun fact: fix your IRC client |
| 10:21.53 | Semlar | i can't read |
| 10:22.00 | Gnarfoz | you could, for example, /topic |
| 10:22.12 | VIad | I should add it to auto /topic with my login :p |
| 10:22.24 | Gnarfoz | most regular IRC clients do that by themselves |
| 10:22.29 | VIad | I use pidgin |
| 10:22.31 | Gnarfoz | are you using viadirc 3.0 |
| 10:22.32 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 10:22.38 | VIad | it's made for linux so you know it's utter crap |
| 10:22.40 | Gnarfoz | that's almost as terrible as using Trillian |
| 10:22.51 | Semlar | i'm using an irc plugin for firefox so |
| 10:22.51 | Gnarfoz | Skype-to-IRC |
| 10:22.51 | nevcairiel | IM clients for irc generally all suck |
| 10:23.12 | VIad | only reason I use pidgin is to bundle my msn, skype, google and irc in one place |
| 10:24.57 | Cairenn | I use pidgin too |
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| 10:51.05 | VIad | hmm. colleague that is punctual with lunch is gone today so no lunch yet :< |
| 10:51.15 | VIad | s/colleague/boss/ |
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| 11:12.27 | emihir0 | i'm building on top of one addon that accepts only [a-z]+ as valid name. however, my names contain letters mostly, what is the usual transition to transform number to letters? basically what i thought of was if i have number "123" it would simply turn to "abc". is this efficient, or are there any more standard methods? |
| 11:13.27 | Semlar | what |
| 11:14.01 | harlchen | eeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 11:14.02 | emihir0 | basically i need to take number and put it to string of [a-z]+ values only |
| 11:14.06 | harlchen | ahem.. sorry |
| 11:14.13 | Semlar | just strip the numbers out of it? |
| 11:14.15 | harlchen | good morning though |
| 11:14.30 | emihir0 | i can do something like 1 = a, 2 = b, 3 = c ... 0 = j; but is that really efficient? |
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| 11:15.03 | Semlar | without knowing why the names have numbers in them and why you need to take them out it's hard to say |
| 11:16.14 | emihir0 | uhm, well ok, basically TSM uses customprices that a player can setup, so for example "abc" could represent custom price value of "154586g" |
| 11:16.28 | emihir0 | whenever a user uses "abc" in his settings, it uses 154586g values instead |
| 11:16.42 | emihir0 | so if i do something like abc*100, it would turn to 15458600 |
| 11:17.12 | emihir0 | problem is that the "abc" and such only accepts names which contain no other symbol other than characters (so [a-z]+) |
| 11:17.25 | Semlar | oh they're variable names? |
| 11:17.29 | emihir0 | yes |
| 11:17.30 | Semlar | okay |
| 11:17.33 | emihir0 | internally for the addon |
| 11:17.38 | Semlar | because it sounded like you were talking about names |
| 11:17.59 | emihir0 | sorry, i guess it makes more sense when they are talked about as variables, although the end user doens't see it that way |
| 11:19.00 | Semlar | so if this only ever accepts letters, how are numbers being introduced to it |
| 11:19.07 | emihir0 | so basically i'm making an addon that helps with pet selling, but the problem is that each pet level (1 - 25) can have different prices... so it makes more sense to me to make 1 group for the pet itself, regardless of level, and do something like: basePrice + "petLevelValue" as his price |
| 11:19.21 | emihir0 | where each pet has its own petLevelValuu |
| 11:19.26 | emihir0 | petLevelValue* |
| 11:19.48 | emihir0 | so for example pet with speciesID "303" would have something like p:303:petLevelValue or something |
| 11:20.14 | emihir0 | and i can dynamically change that p:303:petLevelValue to be for example 50g or 500g... |
| 11:21.01 | emihir0 | problem is that p:303:petLevelValue is not a valid name, and i must differentiate between different pet species. there are about 150 pets in total that i plan to make this work for, hence about 300 custom price sources variables woudl be created |
| 11:21.28 | emihir0 | (1 is for the pet level, other is to control 'how many do i have of them' to customise shopping better... if i have 1 i'm willin gto pay more than if i have 10 of them) |
| 11:22.06 | Semlar | alright, then yes, just convert them to letters the way you were doing it |
| 11:22.24 | Semlar | you need them to be unique and based on the number |
| 11:23.02 | emihir0 | yes, so p:303petLevelValue would be pcjcpetlevelvalue |
| 11:23.13 | Semlar | does it need to be readable |
| 11:23.21 | emihir0 | why? |
| 11:23.27 | emihir0 | not particularly |
| 11:24.36 | emihir0 | the numbers are max 4 digits, so it's not a huge deal in terms of 'saving up space to be efficient', i was just asking if there is a more standard approach so i don't necessarily do something pointless |
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| 11:58.30 | VIad | seems curse client crashes when Iconnect via remote desktop, but only sometimes :p |
| 11:58.35 | VIad | but at least once or twice per day |
| 11:58.46 | VIad | not sure if the crash reports end up anywhere useful though |
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| 12:09.49 | karl_w_w | VIad, what if you run curse client without hardware acceleration? |
| 12:20.56 | emihir0 | is there any reason why SendChatMessage(tarMsg, "PARTY") doens't work when used through addon, but print(tarMsg) works and ingame /run SendChatMessage("msg", "PARTY") writes msg? |
| 12:22.14 | emihir0 | http://pastebin.com/YWeJD6Xy |
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| 12:23.08 | emihir0 | that 'or not link or not price' condition there is wrong just realised, but it still doesn't effect the functionality (i put correct table there so there isn't a problem) |
| 12:23.30 | emihir0 | i mean it prints just fine, but through print and not SendChatMessage |
| 12:28.24 | Semlar | you're possibly sending something that isn't valid to the chat |
| 12:28.42 | emihir0 | hmm |
| 12:47.03 | VIad | karl_w_w: will try that |
| 12:49.19 | emihir0 | yes, it was that Semlar, thank you... linking pets in chat is so annoying >.> |
| 12:52.04 | emihir0 | to clarify: linking pets you dont have in your journal is annoying... C_PetJournal.GetBattlePetLink this returns null if the pet is not in your collection, and you cannot make a custom link to link the pet easily anymore (since the troll links) |
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| 14:15.28 | VIad | it's mostly because the pet has a guid that tells the server to know what stats to look for, right? |
| 14:16.12 | VIad | I know tradeskill links are now like that, cant recall pet links. |
| 14:36.32 | emihir0 | yes, pet has GUID |
| 14:39.09 | emihir0 | but i mean they still have speciesID (ie. all Nightsaber Cubs would have same species ID, no matter level or stats). so i would think there woudl be a way to link a pet given species ID and provide some default stats (even 0 0 0 stats with lv 1 and default rarity would be completely fine) |
| 14:40.02 | VIad | what if you specify a guid with zeroes? |
| 14:40.09 | VIad | for the sake of the tooltip |
| 14:40.10 | emihir0 | there is ofc a way to do that by contructing a custom link, but that's for personal use only |
| 14:40.13 | emihir0 | constructing* |
| 14:40.28 | emihir0 | tbh i'm not sure what info is in the GUID, i can check it, sec |
| 14:40.45 | VIad | server will try lookup but if its all 0 then might just show level 1 version |
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| 14:42.25 | emihir0 | https://i.gyazo.com/946b649b92a43b4afe40e92599cc4148.png that's Ancona Chicken |
| 14:42.43 | emihir0 | species ID 52 |
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| 14:45.10 | emihir0 | C_PetJournal.GetBattlePetLink is no problem using with petID (guid), problem is that when you dont have that in your collection, it returns nil (instead of some default link of that pet) |
| 14:47.18 | emihir0 | it's not a big deal anyway, it was a niche usability that i'm gonna use like once a week that i needed it for |
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| 15:17.27 | VIad | emihir0: |
| 15:17.35 | VIad | you always know the petID |
| 15:18.32 | VIad | BattlePet-62-000000000000 |
| 15:18.38 | VIad | try use that in your link instead |
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| 15:46.20 | mckenziemc | sprays bluspacecow. |
| 15:46.27 | bluspacecow | y? |
| 15:49.26 | mckenziemc | because you needed it |
| 15:50.26 | bluspacecow | ok |
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| 16:23.36 | bluspacecow | that moment when the cludgy thing you wrote 2 days ago works better then a python script you copypasted from the web months ago |
| 16:24.31 | bluspacecow | wow 12 lines of code and 4 variables replaced with a script of 4 lines and 2 variables |
| 16:24.51 | Gnarfoz | sounds complex |
| 16:25.17 | bluspacecow | open a random folder should not need a overally complicated python script |
| 16:25.31 | bluspacecow | a=(*) ; myRandom=${a[$((RANDOM % ${#a[@]}))]} ; open ./"$myRandom" |
| 16:25.35 | bluspacecow | and now its 1 line |
| 16:26.01 | mckenziemc | sits on bluspacecouch. |
| 16:26.37 | bluspacecow | WAIT! |
| 16:26.47 | bluspacecow | bluspacecomfortablecouch |
| 16:26.49 | mckenziemc | did you get it down to 0 lines? |
| 16:26.51 | bluspacecow | .... |
| 16:27.07 | bluspacecouch | now you can sits |
| 16:27.33 | mckenziemc | throws bluspacecouch out. |
| 16:27.38 | bluspacecouch | :( |
| 16:28.34 | mckenziemc | it had too many showers; showers aren't good for couches |
| 16:37.37 | Amarande | bluspacecouch, http://www.xkcd.com/1638/ |
| 16:38.12 | bluspacecouch | *eats Amarandeâs soul* |
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| 16:41.37 | LexSfX | i like the recent text in this channel |
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| 17:08.58 | VIad | emihir0: "|cff0070dd|Hbattlepet:%d:1:0:0:0:0:BattlePet-0-000000000000|h[%s]|h|r" |
| 17:09.00 | VIad | works fine |
| 17:09.21 | VIad | you can just craft a link to a pet you don't own, but you can't ofc use C_PetJournal.GetBattlePetLink because it wasn't designed to work like that |
| 17:09.34 | emihir0 | you can craft that link, yes |
| 17:09.38 | emihir0 | but you cannot say it in chat |
| 17:09.43 | emihir0 | or at least not when i tried |
| 17:10.02 | VIad | hmm |
| 17:10.08 | emihir0 | it will work in print(link) but not in SendChatMessage(link, "PARTY") for example |
| 17:10.14 | VIad | yeah |
| 17:10.22 | VIad | then servers check the guid and figure out its not real |
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| 17:27.18 | emihir0 | is there any reason my slash command stopped working? :o |
| 17:28.42 | emihir0 | the addon is enabled ingame, everything is fine with the code (no errors), i saved the changes in the file during reload screen though |
| 17:34.34 | emihir0 | as expected, when i for example delete 'end' in some of the clauses, it will throw an error ingame... yet i changed nothing with the slash command (was using it before the reload) and it doesn't recognise it now |
| 17:37.30 | Amarande | emihir0: nothing in bugsack or swatter? |
| 17:37.43 | Amarande | (and if you're not using a bug capture addon you probably should be) |
| 17:37.56 | Simca | <VIad> then servers check the guid and figure out its not real |
| 17:38.02 | Simca | that's surprising, they never cared before |
| 17:38.14 | VIad | I knoq |
| 17:38.16 | VIad | know* |
| 17:38.16 | Simca | but i haven't tested it since like... 6.0 |
| 17:38.27 | VIad | they did some changes in 6.1 or later |
| 17:38.42 | emihir0 | i am u sing bugsack and there is no error upon login |
| 17:38.44 | VIad | the pet id became like a guid instead of an id, might have done stuff then. I havent played with it for a while. |
| 17:38.58 | emihir0 | my slash command simply is not recognised |
| 17:39.12 | Amarande | Simca: heh, lemme guess, they started sanity checking chat links because of all the various [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker] spam? |
| 17:40.38 | emihir0 | basically there was an addon that created links with items of random stats/names/colors... it got a bit out of hand so they implemented some checks i guess |
| 17:40.52 | emihir0 | (not really random, sorry, more like you put what you wanted it to display) |
| 17:41.12 | Amarande | "Yo dawg, we heard you liked [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker] so here's a ..." |
| 17:42.13 | emihir0 | but why did my slash command stop working, basically i was writing some code during reload screen and just like 0.5 sec before it finished reloading i saved the file |
| 17:44.41 | Amarande | reload again? |
| 17:44.52 | Amarande | could be you have mixed up files because it loaded the wrong lua somewhere |
| 17:45.06 | emihir0 | i tried reloading like 5 times, along with competele restart of the game |
| 17:45.10 | emihir0 | complete* |
| 17:45.44 | emihir0 | there are no 2 same lua files saved, even if there were the slashcommand was the same in both... haven't touched that for a long time now >.< |
| 17:46.22 | Amarande | hmm |
| 17:46.28 | Amarande | sure you didn't just screw something up in the code you were editing? |
| 17:46.45 | Amarande | bugs can be bizarre sometimes |
| 17:46.58 | Amarande | case in point: I can run Diablo 3 in Wine for hours and hours and hours on this Linux box and nothing goes wrong |
| 17:47.10 | emihir0 | i even reverted it to back to waht i had before the reload :/ |
| 17:47.26 | Amarande | ... I try to run the Scid chess board engine (which is a native linux app, on top of everything else!) and every time it crashes out the whole Xserver with a bus error |
| 17:48.10 | Amarande | emihir0: tried deleting the addon's saved variables file and starting over? |
| 17:48.36 | emihir0 | yep, did that too |
| 17:48.47 | Amarande | ok, that's odd, then |
| 17:51.01 | emihir0 | im gonna try to remove all files but the core one in the .toc file |
| 17:53.58 | Semlar | you should probably check that your addon is actually being loaded |
| 17:54.16 | emihir0 | it is being loaded, but i just checked and it isn't going all the way through |
| 17:54.53 | Semlar | did you disable one of your dependencies |
| 17:55.21 | emihir0 | print(true) at the beginning, print(true) at the end, only one gets printed |
| 17:55.55 | Semlar | so did you put a return statement in the middle of your addon and then completely forget that you did it |
| 17:56.47 | emihir0 | all returns all in functions (not ouside) |
| 17:57.04 | Semlar | post your script |
| 17:57.23 | bluspacecouch | your_script(); |
| 17:57.33 | Semlar | disables bluspacecouch |
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| 17:57.46 | emihir0 | you mean the whole code of the addon? |
| 17:57.57 | bluspacecouch | ###ERROR : GURU MEDITATION ERROR #### |
| 17:57.59 | bluspacecouch | ###ERROR : GURU MEDITATION ERROR #### |
| 17:58.15 | Semlar | you said you had a print statement at the start and the end of it |
| 17:58.22 | emihir0 | yes |
| 17:58.28 | emihir0 | and it prints true only once |
| 17:58.30 | Semlar | post it |
| 17:58.42 | Semlar | there's literally nothing we can do without seeing your code |
| 17:58.50 | bluspacecouch | in a sticky and link the sticky |
| 17:58.53 | bluspacecouch | um |
| 17:58.55 | bluspacecouch | pastebin |
| 17:59.08 | bluspacecouch | pastebin it and link the URL i mean |
| 17:59.09 | emihir0 | http://pastebin.com/VhEcneKv please bear in mind that it's EXTREMELY MESSY now |
| 17:59.25 | bluspacecouch | MY EYES! |
| 17:59.36 | Semlar | you have a return on line 306 |
| 17:59.40 | Maldivia | TL;DR |
| 17:59.50 | bluspacecouch | ###ERROR : GURU MEDITATION ERROR #### |
| 18:00.05 | emihir0 | TL;DR i'm stupid |
| 18:00.07 | emihir0 | thanks |
| 18:00.31 | emihir0 | i just wrote a random piece of code there that was supposed to go to a dif function |
| 18:00.54 | Semlar | that's when you start hitting ctrl z until your script works |
| 18:01.27 | Maldivia | or start splitting it up into multple files |
| 18:02.25 | emihir0 | there is always that 'oh i'll split it up and comment stuff when i'm done' mentality in me >.< |
| 18:02.32 | emihir0 | problem is that i'm never done |
| 18:03.45 | Unkle | Comment as you go, because a) you'll forget wtf you meant something to do or were thinking, b) writing the comment will often make it clearer if an idea is right or wrong, c) because no one wants to read your messy shitty code to try to figure out WTF you were thinking. |
| 18:04.06 | emihir0 | i know >.> |
| 18:05.03 | emihir0 | it's always the "oh i have an idea, let's see if it works", "OH OMG IT WORKS WTF YISSSSSS" -> proceeds to finally go to bed -> wakes up -> "works now, nice, let's continue" |
| 18:06.44 | Unkle | Exactly. And 2 days from now you'll be confused about WTF you were doing when you're working on it again. |
| 18:07.08 | Semlar | to be fair i'm always confused about what i was doing |
| 18:07.24 | Unkle | Well, there is that. |
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| 18:09.57 | Fisker | Hey Unkle |
| 18:10.08 | Unkle | Sup, Fisker? |
| 18:10.26 | Fisker | Hey |
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| 19:44.20 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.25 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.54 | Semlar | i use the figurative definition of literally |
| 19:51.59 | karl_w_w | s/figurative/wrong/ |
| 20:05.43 | Gnarfoz | sigh, waiting for security updates to trickle down was not my plan for tonight |
| 20:06.42 | foxlit | restart all the clouds. |
| 20:14.20 | Gnarfoz | that's easy: no clouds in use |
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| 20:16.30 | Trela | 9JDMA-9QTZJ-A02VB C8679-NYZY7-NNXG5 F9FHB-B6KR4-405RH |
| 20:16.36 | Trela | Free Steam keys for people. |
| 20:17.02 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.35 | Trela | That is the surprise. I am not telling you what it is. :P |
| 20:18.35 | Torhal | Oh, dear. |
| 20:18.39 | Torhal | I've found the surprise. |
| 20:18.45 | Torhal | Do not want. :/ |
| 20:19.30 | Trela | XD |
| 20:19.58 | Trela | It is a steam punk golf game. |
| 20:21.02 | foxlit | surprisingly good reviews. |
| 20:21.14 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.15 | emihir0 | is there any practical reason to use CopyTable? I mean if we have a = { ... }, cannot we just do b = a; wouldn't b take the table that is in a? why do b = CopyTable(a) |
| 20:25.54 | foxlit | yes. |
| 20:26.22 | Torhal | emihir0: b = a means the variable b is pointing to the same table variable a points to. |
| 20:26.42 | Torhal | If you want distinct tables, you need to copy the contents of the original. |
| 20:26.47 | emihir0 | i see |
| 20:27.15 | emihir0 | so if i do b = a and then tremove(a), it will also remove an item from b |
| 20:27.20 | Torhal | Yes |
| 20:27.24 | emihir0 | ok, thanks |
| 20:42.33 | foxlit | hm, do I want a 4k screen or a 144Hz screen? |
| 20:42.52 | zenzelezz | 4k is a bit expensive for 144 Hz |
| 20:43.33 | foxlit | can't find anything that would have both, anyway |
| 20:43.46 | nevcairiel | 4K panels are not that fast yet |
| 20:44.00 | nevcairiel | and unless you are a professional content creator, 4K PC screens are probably not worth it yet |
| 20:44.17 | nevcairiel | unless its giant, ie . 30"+ |
| 20:44.46 | nevcairiel | 24-27", i much prefer WQHD, doesnt trip up half the apps and is still plenty space to use |
| 20:45.10 | nevcairiel | not to mention that gaming at 4K isnt really enjoyable yet due to performance constraints |
| 20:45.25 | nevcairiel | so TL;DR; I have a 144Hz screen and I'm happy :) |
| 20:45.59 | Stanzilla | Windows is still shit with UI scaling |
| 20:46.11 | Stanzilla | so most programs look horrible at 4k |
| 20:46.17 | nevcairiel | windows is fine since 8.1 |
| 20:46.22 | Stanzilla | it is not |
| 20:46.23 | nevcairiel | apps just dont use it right |
| 20:46.31 | Stanzilla | they said they will fix it with redstone1 though |
| 20:46.35 | Stanzilla | it's one of the major bullet points |
| 20:46.41 | nevcairiel | cant fix broken apps |
| 20:46.51 | nevcairiel | if you build an app properly DPI aware, it looks perfect |
| 20:49.11 | nevcairiel | what they want to fix with redstone is some of the quirks in windows itself |
| 20:49.17 | Stanzilla | they said Windows it self doesnt do it right eitther |
| 20:49.18 | nevcairiel | although those arent that major |
| 20:49.20 | zenzelezz | Windows has very clear and good guidelines for how to be properly DPI friendly |
| 20:49.21 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 20:49.32 | zenzelezz | just no-one reads them |
| 20:50.53 | nevcairiel | reading their latest article on dpi scaling, doesnt seem to be any groundbreakign fixes in there |
| 20:51.24 | nevcairiel | just some tweaks to some of the quirks in the OS itself, a promise to finally fix office on high-dpi, which is unrelated =p, and providing "tools" for 3rd party developers to fix their stuff |
| 20:52.41 | nevcairiel | in any case, since many apps are still broken, it makes no difference really how well the OS handles it, and 4K is not ready for primetime |
| 20:56.18 | foxlit | the number of windows apps I care about is probably pretty limited. |
| 20:56.43 | zenzelezz | calc, notepad... |
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| 21:23.13 | kd3 | damn it, comcast. down for 2 hours? |
| 21:23.15 | kd3 | grrs |
| 21:43.02 | Gnarfoz | speaking of down |
| 21:43.08 | pompy | kd3: tv or int? |
| 21:43.23 | Gnarfoz | just started Overwatch after going through this DNS vuln thing, now it's going down for maintenance :D |
| 21:43.33 | nevcairiel | dns vuln? |
| 21:43.40 | nevcairiel | oh getaddrinfo garbage |
| 21:43.44 | Gnarfoz | glibc, more precisely |
| 21:44.31 | pompy | http://techcrunch.com/2016/02/15/ibm-launches-new-mainframe-with-focus-on-security-and-hybrid-cloud |
| 21:49.21 | kd3 | int. I don't have tv service |
| 21:53.05 | pompy | http://downdetector.com/status/comcast-xfinity/map/ bleh |
| 21:53.26 | pompy | yesteerday they had tv service issues nationwide |
| 21:53.38 | pompy | looks like int issues out west today |
| 21:54.30 | nevcairiel | the map looks like its literally broken everywhere where there is a population center |
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| 22:27.32 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/wMj9e46F << I wish it'd not do that. |
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| 22:30.56 | Gnarfoz | finally, glibc updated |
| 22:31.39 | Gnarfoz | it's going to be a fun day tomorrow at the office :| |
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