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| 04:15.46 | mckenziemc | (1:07:26 PM) Shirik: Arrow|work: honestly I can't speak to what HR would say, but I think you have enough CS skills to apply from a technical perspective |
| 04:15.56 | mckenziemc | HR will say you should've reprogrammed him |
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| 04:43.13 | Iriel | Yay - my system passes the Oculus Rift compatibility test. |
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| 05:07.16 | Fisker | I love it when I see positions where they let several opposites as desirable personality traits |
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| 05:07.52 | mckenziemc | leaves out Fisker's f. |
| 05:08.12 | mckenziemc | ~trout isker |
| 05:08.12 | purl | ACTION slaps isker around a bit with a large trout! |
| 05:32.25 | Semlar | ~fiskerslap mckenziemc |
| 05:32.26 | purl | ACTION slaps mckenziemc around a bit with Fisker. |
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| 05:56.43 | pompy | gg |
| 05:56.47 | pompy | Retweeted CNBC Now (@CNBCnow): Time Warner Cable discloses data breach that could affect up to 320,000 customers' email accounts and passwords. |
| 06:02.08 | Trela | Ha... Oh. |
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| 06:30.06 | mckenziemc | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monowheel o.o |
| 06:47.23 | Semlar | i like how the wheel is directly in front of your face |
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| 07:30.29 | relaxok | where can i find more info on the |c and |r type stuff in format strings? |
| 07:31.47 | relaxok | and |4 |
| 07:31.50 | relaxok | a list of them or something |
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| 07:52.39 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.42 | Semlar | here relaxok http://wow.gamepedia.com/UI_escape_sequences |
| 08:06.06 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/JtvRGS8 niceeeee |
| 08:07.07 | karl_w_w | It's probably wrong information, but when they charge me 1105 instead of 781 it'll be great evidence for the ACCC |
| 08:07.12 | mckenziemc | have a great day karl_w_w |
| 08:10.46 | mckenziemc | creates a rift in front of karl_w_w's door yestermorrow. |
| 08:16.53 | relaxok | thanks semlar |
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| 08:21.58 | creitve | Hello. What is the proper way to contribute to an addon that wasn't updated for a year, not does it have a repo to fork? |
| 08:24.20 | Semlar | if you kill the original author i believe you become them |
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| 08:36.08 | relaxok | lol |
| 08:38.37 | Semlar | maybe i'm thinking of something else |
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| 09:36.08 | relaxok | hell yes |
| 09:36.13 | relaxok | escape sequence colors finally |
| 09:36.20 | relaxok | and singular/plural formatting |
| 09:48.11 | relaxok | http://bh.polpo.org/FontStringCrap1.png |
| 09:50.47 | mikma | (lol joking:) OH EM GEE PRIVATE SERVER!!!!11 |
| 09:50.55 | mikma | also, nice :D |
| 09:51.12 | Semlar | now let's see if you can make a backpack with more than 16 slots |
| 09:51.22 | mikma | one can only dream |
| 09:52.46 | relaxok | i think that would be easy |
| 09:52.51 | relaxok | (famous last words?) |
| 09:55.07 | mikma | DOOO EEEET |
| 10:01.04 | mikma | relaxok: been on a break of the project? |
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| 10:01.37 | relaxok | yeah, didnt submit any changes between february and july.. did a bit then (mounting, mainly) then the past month i've been on it solidly again |
| 10:01.57 | VIad | isnt the 16 bag slot thing a server side limitation anyway? |
| 10:01.58 | mikma | you need to update some pictures in the webbiesite! |
| 10:02.21 | relaxok | indeed |
| 10:02.56 | relaxok | VIad, surely |
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| 10:04.10 | VIad | something about storing items in an array and dividing what is what based on where you start and where you end your loops :p |
| 10:04.41 | VIad | guess you can think of your bags and bank as "one bag" |
| 10:05.08 | VIad | thats what I remember a blue explaining some time ago |
| 10:05.16 | relaxok | probably |
| 10:05.39 | relaxok | i just have a database of bag item id + slot id |
| 10:05.54 | relaxok | ( + inventory item id of course) |
| 10:07.39 | VIad | what about amount of items? |
| 10:09.42 | VIad | mmosdk? |
| 10:12.22 | relaxok | like stacks? |
| 10:12.36 | relaxok | yeah i dont have that at all |
| 10:17.25 | VIad | what are you doing? is it legal? :p |
| 10:19.46 | relaxok | http://relaxok.tumblr.com/ and.. not strictly |
| 10:20.29 | mikma | i guess only thing not legal is using the textures |
| 10:22.31 | relaxok | well i'm not redistributing any textures or models from the game, i'm really just using the data to test the engine |
| 10:22.50 | relaxok | the UI side is where i'm feeling a bit iffy |
| 10:24.00 | mikma | "hey, we have copywrong this ui layout, you cannot use it. ever." |
| 10:24.34 | mikma | i'm guessing you don't have a "public" place where people can test this |
| 10:26.38 | relaxok | you could just start a whole new folder called FooXML and make a new game UI for my thing.. the part i feel iffy about is supporting all the same API with the same names, etc. |
| 10:27.51 | relaxok | i release the installers on github but havent pushed a build there since february or something |
| 10:28.01 | relaxok | it's a huge PITA to do so |
| 10:28.21 | nevcairiel | didnt some other game practically copy the WoW UI API verbatim some years ago |
| 10:28.25 | relaxok | i have to update the base sql so that it doesn't contain any blizz data |
| 10:28.45 | relaxok | and its a different schema so i have to fix those tables for any changes i've made in the sandbox schema |
| 10:28.54 | relaxok | plus i have to test a bunch of stuff every time before releasing |
| 10:28.57 | relaxok | WT BQA |
| 10:28.59 | relaxok | WTB QA* |
| 10:29.43 | relaxok | nevcairiel: i hope so. i also don't really understand the legality of such things |
| 10:30.04 | relaxok | if you're not using any code and you're not using any data, but you make your code able to support all the same data.. is that illegal? no idea |
| 10:30.24 | nevcairiel | that depends who you ask |
| 10:30.39 | nevcairiel | API copyright was a fun topic in courts |
| 10:31.29 | relaxok | okay actual UI question here.. |
| 10:31.35 | relaxok | check out MicroButton_OnEnter |
| 10:31.54 | VIad | nevcairiel: yes, I remember alganon |
| 10:32.02 | relaxok | if it's enabled, it calls AddNewbieTip and AddLine |
| 10:32.14 | relaxok | but there's no :Show() called unless it's disabled |
| 10:32.18 | relaxok | so why is it shown |
| 10:32.43 | relaxok | (if you're not showing newbie tips) |
| 10:33.08 | relaxok | there's code in GameTooltip_AddNewbieTip if you're not showing newbie tips, to setowner and set text to normaltext, but again no :Show() after that |
| 10:33.08 | nevcairiel | GameTooltip_AddNewbieTip calls Show |
| 10:33.20 | relaxok | only one path |
| 10:33.43 | relaxok | any chance SetOwner calls show or something |
| 10:35.02 | VIad | time to go back to alganon, appreciate wow some more when I come back, if I even make it one day |
| 10:35.47 | relaxok | http://www.mmobomb.com/file/2011/03/Alganon-12.jpg |
| 10:35.48 | relaxok | rofl |
| 10:36.16 | relaxok | thats some minimal changes |
| 10:36.40 | nevcairiel | relaxok: calling SetOwner and SetText shows it, its probably SetText and not SetOwner though |
| 10:36.52 | VIad | they basically just looked at wow and used that as base for all their design ideas |
| 10:37.24 | relaxok | well that's impressive enough for me, they still had to make the whole thing |
| 10:37.30 | relaxok | i've been working on it for years just myself |
| 10:37.34 | relaxok | they actually finished it |
| 10:38.15 | VIad | kind of not good when you see the pictures and get reminded of wow that often |
| 10:38.21 | relaxok | lol |
| 10:38.23 | relaxok | i just looked at a video |
| 10:38.26 | VIad | or maybe its a perk, makes it feel like there is more quality to it |
| 10:38.33 | relaxok | the first scene they showed was so tauren-ish |
| 10:38.39 | relaxok | models and textures really look similar |
| 10:39.15 | VIad | http://store.steampowered.com/app/350660/ |
| 10:39.17 | VIad | has videos |
| 10:39.36 | VIad | I saw a lot of elwynn and teldrassil inspired areas |
| 10:39.46 | VIad | duskwood :p |
| 10:40.15 | nevcairiel | even looks like they stole plenty of art assets |
| 10:40.33 | relaxok | if they make it open source or something i guess i can just give up |
| 10:40.36 | relaxok | other than for learning purposes |
| 10:40.49 | relaxok | give up the idea of releasing this, that is |
| 10:40.50 | nevcairiel | they want to sell their shit, so dont hold your breath :D |
| 10:41.05 | relaxok | i wonder what the performance is like |
| 10:41.13 | relaxok | mine is getting pretty damn fast |
| 10:41.40 | VIad | dlc costs $14 and there is a ingame shop if you dont want to be restricted , like any other f2p |
| 10:42.09 | VIad | performance isnt that bad since its made to work with laptops sold in 2005 :p |
| 10:42.27 | VIad | doubt it is optimized though |
| 10:42.54 | VIad | probably going to get 60 fps if I am lucky and the graphics look like runescape went 3d :p |
| 10:43.04 | VIad | or maybe runescape already went 3d and looks better |
| 10:43.05 | relaxok | holy shit |
| 10:43.05 | relaxok | the videos |
| 10:43.06 | relaxok | rofl |
| 10:45.22 | VIad | I am sure you can work on mmosdk much easier with alganon than wow |
| 10:45.36 | VIad | bet they use zip for their game files, and textures are stored in jpg |
| 10:45.49 | nevcairiel | not like its hard to unpack wow resources |
| 10:45.57 | nevcairiel | and he apparently already has all that setup |
| 10:46.15 | relaxok | i have my own model and texture formats and converted everything in WoW to them |
| 10:46.23 | relaxok | i've also converted WildStar stuff to them |
| 10:47.10 | VIad | make a 1:1 minecraft world from those gams |
| 10:47.12 | VIad | games* |
| 10:47.16 | VIad | ought to be amusing |
| 10:47.24 | relaxok | someone did all of wow in minecraft right? |
| 10:47.34 | VIad | yes. but it was tiny :< |
| 10:47.46 | relaxok | how much of it did they do? |
| 10:47.46 | VIad | things were 5 times smaller |
| 10:47.54 | VIad | I think he did everything |
| 10:48.02 | relaxok | i don't know anything about minecraft data but i could try converting to it |
| 10:48.04 | VIad | at least up to wotlk |
| 10:48.18 | VIad | biggest problem is just minecraft not working well with too large worlds |
| 10:48.22 | VIad | clients tend to die :p |
| 10:48.29 | VIad | probably why it was downscaled so much as well |
| 10:48.34 | relaxok | aw |
| 10:48.45 | VIad | some addons out there to try make the game handle larger worlds, by loading smaller parts at a time and such |
| 10:49.20 | VIad | http://i.imgur.com/6CTL6vL.png |
| 10:49.31 | relaxok | still awesome tho |
| 10:49.51 | VIad | http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/show-your-creation/screenshots/1595918-crafting-azeroth |
| 10:49.52 | VIad | ofc |
| 10:51.09 | VIad | with java kind of being killed |
| 10:51.12 | VIad | wonder the future of minecraft |
| 10:51.24 | VIad | I guess not much, just going to become one of thse old games |
| 10:51.35 | VIad | like how people play runescape, but not growing up with it I cba to play that crap |
| 10:52.00 | VIad | I guess same will go for minecraft perhaps, but on the other hand at least minecraft is more like a creativity thing, so might never really disappear |
| 10:53.33 | relaxok | i didnt know it was in java |
| 10:55.10 | relaxok | nevcairiel: okay i have SetText calling show explicitly now |
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| 10:56.39 | nevcairiel | should check before if a owner was set probably |
| 10:56.54 | nevcairiel | who knows what happens to it otherwise .D |
| 10:57.09 | nevcairiel | just calling :SetText in the game doesnt show it, but the pair of SetOwner SetText does |
| 11:01.41 | relaxok | oh |
| 11:01.54 | relaxok | that's weird behavior |
| 11:02.46 | nevcairiel | not really, tooltip needs an owner |
| 11:04.21 | relaxok | why would that combination autoshow it though |
| 11:05.01 | nevcairiel | i could imagine because SetText replaces the entire tooltip, unlike AddLine which builds it incrementally, so AddLine requires a Show once you are done, while SetText implies a complete and finished tooltip |
| 11:05.03 | nevcairiel | shrugs |
| 11:09.11 | relaxok | but you said SetText doesn't |
| 11:09.27 | relaxok | or do you mean only if it doesn't have an Owner set |
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| 12:02.07 | VIad | I am confused |
| 12:03.03 | VIad | relaxok: if you dont set an owner to a tooltip its going to stay hidden right, so does it matter if SetText/AddLine makes the tip Show or not? |
| 12:03.35 | VIad | I usually set owner, do my set/add line, then show it for good measure to make sure it shows properly |
| 12:03.47 | relaxok | the latter is what i was expecting was needed |
| 12:04.02 | relaxok | but as i was saying up there, for example the tooltip for the enabled micro buttons don't show() |
| 12:04.09 | relaxok | not explicitly in the lua that is |
| 12:04.23 | VIad | micro buttons... |
| 12:04.55 | nevcairiel | just calling SetOwner/SetText even from /script makes it show, while SetOwner/AddLine does not, so its probably SetText doing it, but it of course only becomes visible if a owner was set before |
| 12:05.37 | relaxok | okay, makes sense |
| 12:05.44 | VIad | wait |
| 12:05.54 | relaxok | i'm not clear on how the GameTooltip re-sizes based on lines added |
| 12:06.06 | VIad | mainmenubarmicrobuttons.lua? MicroButton_OnEnter? |
| 12:06.07 | nevcairiel | carefully? :) |
| 12:06.34 | relaxok | AddLine doesn't resize the tooltip.. you can be hovering showing the gametooltip and AddLine to it and it'll just add a line in outer space below the border |
| 12:06.42 | relaxok | VIad: yes and then that calls addnewbietip |
| 12:07.16 | VIad | I don't see a problem |
| 12:07.28 | nevcairiel | i think it sizes itself in OnShow, so you need to re-show it to get new lines to "fit" |
| 12:07.29 | VIad | GameTooltip_AddNewbieTip SetText adds the text and implies Show |
| 12:07.36 | relaxok | implies =p |
| 12:07.45 | relaxok | anyway thats fine, i just didnt know |
| 12:07.50 | VIad | me neither |
| 12:07.54 | VIad | I usually just AddLine then Show |
| 12:08.09 | VIad | for consistency |
| 12:08.14 | relaxok | nevcairiel: sizes itself D= |
| 12:08.45 | relaxok | there's no OnShow |
| 12:08.48 | nevcairiel | tooltips are all kinds of magic |
| 12:08.52 | relaxok | not in lua anyway |
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| 12:15.35 | VIad | AddLine requires Show because its not clear if its the final one or not, SetText applies Show because it doesn't expect you to start to do AddLine after - not that complicated |
| 12:16.02 | VIad | now why the micro button code is so oddly written is probably because its very old and just added more hotfixes to make it work with the newer features :p |
| 12:19.35 | VIad | maybe in legion |
| 12:19.44 | VIad | they seem to be adding a ton of mixin tables |
| 12:21.28 | relaxok | it makes sense to me now |
| 12:21.36 | relaxok | lets move on |
| 12:21.37 | relaxok | lol |
| 12:22.44 | relaxok | i'd really like to do AnimationGroups soon |
| 12:27.41 | VIad | come, animate me |
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| 13:27.03 | VIad | relaxok: are you writing mmosdk? |
| 13:27.07 | VIad | alone? |
| 13:29.28 | Semlar | we're having a race to see who can take the longest to complete something |
| 13:29.56 | VIad | I see |
| 13:30.15 | VIad | like pi, I dont know if we will ever find the winner |
| 14:10.28 | jleclanche | Semlar: are you working on it too? |
| 14:14.04 | Semlar | no, but everyone makes fun of me for not uploading any addons |
| 14:15.38 | p3lim | points at Semlar and laughs |
| 14:15.45 | Semlar | :( |
| 14:16.03 | p3lim | In all fairness though, you make a lot of cool things and never release them |
| 14:16.30 | Semlar | >_> |
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| 14:21.52 | Semlar | releases torhal back into the wild |
| 14:22.42 | p3lim | I call bluff |
| 14:26.29 | Torhal | What would -actually- be wild is Semlar releasing an AddOn. |
| 14:26.45 | Semlar | semlar gone wild? |
| 14:27.41 | Torhal | As a 3AM infomercial, of course. |
| 14:28.56 | jleclanche | relaxok: you there? |
| 14:31.21 | Constie | "[black and white video of me accidentally throwing my mouse across the room as I try to find my focus target in a raid] There's GOT to be a better way!" |
| 14:34.47 | jleclanche | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1vLyHQcwRM <- I want this music in wow pet battles |
| 14:39.11 | mikma | jleclanche: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WpMlwVwydo |
| 14:39.33 | jleclanche | mikma: what year is it |
| 14:39.55 | mikma | jleclanche: 1998, didn't you know? |
| 14:40.51 | Semlar | use one of those youtube-to-mp3 websites and write a little addon to start playing it when you enter a pet battle |
| 14:41.42 | jleclanche | effort |
| 14:51.09 | VIad | just keep it looping in the background so it always plays during your pet battles - no effort |
| 14:54.31 | VIad | Constie: you are mice thrower guy? |
| 15:00.43 | VIad | Constie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_rage |
| 15:02.01 | VIad | I enjoy the other topics, namely air rage, road rage, wrap rage :D |
| 15:02.13 | VIad | technostress sounds like a music genre |
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| 15:09.14 | mikma | or rather a techno band |
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| 16:01.51 | Fisker | time for heys Shirik |
| 16:02.12 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 16:03.05 | Fisker | hey |
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| 16:27.01 | Phixion | :( |
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| 17:17.59 | VIad | TW is broken |
| 17:18.17 | VIad | DK can control a mob that uses http://www.wowhead.com/spell=69504 |
| 17:18.21 | VIad | 25% of total hp > dmg |
| 17:27.50 | karl_w_w | holy crap they did it |
| 17:28.26 | karl_w_w | it only took them 2 months after my report, but google maps actually added street numbers to my street |
| 17:28.31 | karl_w_w | 3 months* |
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| 17:35.09 | VIad | why does the postmaster send me poop in the mail, but not the timewalking currency if I dont loot the boss? |
| 17:40.11 | Semlar | which one would you keep if you were the postmaster |
| 17:43.55 | karl_w_w | the poop |
| 17:44.55 | karl_w_w | stealing mail is a major crime, but nobody's gonna notice or care if you steal poop |
| 17:45.11 | karl_w_w | free fertilizer! |
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| 18:08.54 | VIad | well |
| 18:08.59 | VIad | he did stop sending me my poop |
| 18:09.02 | VIad | after patch 6.1 |
| 18:09.11 | VIad | so I better call the post service, he is stealing my poop! |
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| 22:25.36 | relaxok | i came across an issue that makes me think the location of OnLoad firing is not when I expected |
| 22:26.30 | relaxok | e.g. after the entire Frame's tag and children are parsed |
| 22:27.32 | relaxok | there's (at least one) specific case where it's clear the outermost frame's OnLoad needs to be fired before one of the child frame's OnLoad |
| 22:29.19 | Amarande | relaxok: have fun |
| 22:29.41 | Amarande | ensuring that separate events fire in a very specific order is one of *the* most pain in the ass things to do in Lua, IIRC |
| 22:30.15 | relaxok | specifically LFRFrame_OnLoad needs to get called before one of its children.. it CreateFrames a bunch of buttons that are used by the OnLoad of a child |
| 22:30.24 | relaxok | but so far that's literally the only place in the whole UI that does that |
| 22:30.29 | relaxok | so it seems suspect |
| 22:31.00 | relaxok | i've been doing OnLoad as the frame is parsed which means children are OnLoaded first |
| 22:33.05 | relaxok | Amarande, indeed |
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| 22:33.28 | Amarande | I'm actually not even sure there's a way to make independent events work in a specific order like that |
| 22:33.39 | Amarande | i.e., to ensure event X from frame A fires before event Y from frame B |
| 22:34.00 | relaxok | well i'm implementing it in C++, i can do whatever |
| 22:34.04 | relaxok | but figuring out what to do has been non trivial |
| 22:36.13 | Gnarfoz | step 1 to success: don't listen to Amarande |
| 22:41.37 | Amarande | :| |
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| 23:05.48 | relaxok | someone named Iriel in here helped me massively by making a wrapper that caught every event the UI received from login to logout |
| 23:06.02 | relaxok | in order |
| 23:07.24 | Stanzilla | that guy again |
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| 23:08.24 | relaxok | wait, that's not nevcairiel is it |
| 23:08.29 | relaxok | ah no |
| 23:08.33 | relaxok | i see Iriel in my scrollback |
| 23:08.34 | relaxok | also |
| 23:09.05 | alestane | He's not online at the moment, but he is in here sometimes. |
| 23:10.16 | nevcairiel | relaxok: WoW even includes that in the base UI now |
| 23:10.42 | nevcairiel | although the standalone addon had more options |
| 23:11.27 | mckenziemc | reduces nevcairiel's options. |
| 23:14.36 | relaxok | nevcairiel: if only it worked for GlueXML |
| 23:24.32 | relaxok | http://bh.polpo.org/event_order.txt |
| 23:26.45 | Mr_Rabies | keyloggins imo |
| 23:27.31 | mckenziemc | deports Mr_Rabies to Camp Narache. |
| 23:28.30 | Mr_Rabies | i used to love camping that place on my alliance chars until the big bbq |
| 23:28.43 | Mr_Rabies | oh wait no i was thinking of the one place in the barrens |
| 23:29.57 | relaxok | another weird thing.. there's a PortGraveyard() API command |
| 23:30.05 | relaxok | that happens when you release spirit |
| 23:30.11 | relaxok | i wonder why |
| 23:30.18 | relaxok | shouldn't the server do that? |
| 23:31.57 | Mr_Rabies | some of it is definitely client side |
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| 23:32.35 | Mr_Rabies | you can see the "resurrect now" right as you release sometimes |
| 23:38.10 | relaxok | maybe it requests a port but doesn't port you |
| 23:38.46 | Amarande | relaxok: also while a ghost, you now have the ability to automatically port back to the graveyard you originally released to |
| 23:39.01 | Amarande | it was added as an anti-frustration feature due to such little matters as Felwood |
| 23:39.13 | Mr_Rabies | oh yeah, that's probably it |
| 23:39.36 | Amarande | (die in Felwood, go the wrong way as a ghost & you are now in Darkshore, have fun circling all the way around through 2.5 zones to get back so you can rez :p) |
| 23:39.44 | Amarande | why yes, this happened to me once :P |
| 23:40.34 | [TOM_RUS] | they should add port to corpse button |
| 23:41.09 | [TOM_RUS] | i've died so many times in unreachable places |
| 23:41.21 | [TOM_RUS] | that would have helped a lot :D |
| 23:41.23 | relaxok | Amarande: i understand why the button exists but i would think it requests something from the server rather than porting you |
| 23:41.30 | relaxok | like literally moving the character |
| 23:41.57 | Amarande | relaxok: every API command that represents an action is a request to the server |
| 23:42.10 | Amarande | otherwise you could do anything at any time, like open battle.net Diablo 2 :p |
| 23:43.00 | Amarande | or (assuming there were no protected functions) you could just CastSpellByName(whatevs) without having to care if you even knew the spell at all or had the mana |
| 23:43.46 | Amarande | (as an example of a game scripting language where this actually is broken, take a look at the Baldur's Gate engine games, where you can indeed set up character AI scripts that can cast spells they shouldn't be able to) |
| 23:45.28 | Amarande | before long someone would just come up with an addon that spammed Ascend to the Heavens or something like that over and over until even the toughest raid boss and adds were toast |
| 23:45.40 | Amarande | (at least for the one raid night they get away with it before being banned, heh) |
| 23:46.10 | Amarande | however, one need only look at Diablo 2 as an example of bans not really being a sufficient substitute for proper protection against being able to cheat in the first place |
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| 23:52.52 | relaxok | i guess i just assumed it would be called RequestPortGraveyard hah |
| 23:54.23 | Simca | amusingly they never enforced spellID on that API call before |
| 23:54.53 | Simca | just a few days ago some people modified the client to think the port graveyard spell was a 'gain instant death aura' spell |
| 23:55.11 | Simca | blizz fixed it in a couple of hours, still amusing |
| 23:55.19 | relaxok | lol |
