| 00:00.44 | kullervo | I've learned to count to two before accepting the res |
| 00:01.11 | kullervo | because it might bug when accepted instantly, or there might be fire where the druid just was and they'll call "don't accept" |
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| 00:23.13 | Semlar2 | if you have people rezzing you into fire i don't think they like you |
| 00:39.47 | Amarande | kullervo: hah, gotta love things like that |
| 00:39.56 | Amarande | or popping out of frostmourne and being in the middle of defile |
| 00:40.59 | Semlar | streams neffi |
| 00:42.30 | Amarande | Semlar: if you have people rezzing you into fire you may just be an unfortunate bastard |
| 00:42.41 | Amarande | the griefy one is when priests use the jaws of life to yank you into fire :) |
| 00:43.24 | Constie | The Bob Ross stream ended (for now). Sadness. |
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| 02:03.54 | Rythal | This is the worse performance i've seen in a long time.. :| how did they become finalists |
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| 02:19.32 | Jamash | SUP FOLKS |
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| 09:17.24 | karl_w_w | ok so my start menu isnt working |
| 09:19.03 | Constie | Try restarting your router. |
| 09:21.07 | karl_w_w | I think I'll restart my PC instead |
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| 09:48.04 | Neffi | restarts Semlar |
| 09:49.29 | zenzelezz | Hexchat: "Dude, we know you've changed the background color in the main window, but you can't expect us to carry that over to the 'Text events' windows just so you can get a real preview of your chat color setup" |
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| 11:33.57 | Industrial | ZNC is the shiat! |
| 11:34.10 | Industrial | also, hi. |
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| 14:22.21 | zenzelezz | the worst part about dubstep is the dubstep. Really hate when there's an underlying good tune, but which does not exist without the dubstep all over it |
| 14:28.07 | LexSfX | haha, yes |
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| 15:44.43 | zenzelezz | the Internet; where you go to a webshop to buy an Xbox controller and suddenly find yourself browsing cosplay artists on Facebook |
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| 16:18.06 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: if you dig a bit deeper, you might find a site whereyou can use your XBox controoler to control people in cosplay ... |
| 16:20.11 | zenzelezz | isn't that almost what most Japanese games are anyway? |
| 16:30.30 | zenzelezz | http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/11/as-orbital-seeks-to-fly-again-new-photos-of-its-dramatic-crash-last-year/ |
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| 18:08.49 | zenzelezz | I love watching how sounds actually get recorded |
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| 18:33.24 | Gnarfoz | isn't it nice how that article calls the "AJ-26" "russian"? |
| 18:34.23 | Gnarfoz | first they make a point of saying that the NK-33 (the Russian engine) is "modified" into the Aerojet AJ-26 (so as to make it sound that they're turning it into some awesome American thing), but when it fails, it's suddenly Russian again :D |
| 18:37.15 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 19:11.52 | zenzelezz | I like how the Steam Link shows up on the front page spinner with a "Pre-Order Now" caption; but when I click through, there is no option to buy or pre-purchase |
| 19:41.14 | zenzelezz | Carbot, delivering as usual |
| 20:05.27 | Kesava | so yeah i haven't been able to watch any of the streams since the opening ceremony because i'm getting "that channel is currently off air" |
| 20:05.34 | Kesava | so that's nice for my friend who gifted me the ticket. |
| 20:05.37 | Kesava | fucking directv. |
| 20:06.06 | zenzelezz | in all browsers? |
| 20:06.15 | Kesava | yep, and two different devices, and two operating systems |
| 20:06.25 | zenzelezz | wow, that's impressively bad |
| 20:09.04 | Kesava | i can watch virtual-ticket-only archives though so clearly it knows i have it |
| 20:09.15 | Kesava | despite everything still telling me to buy it |
| 20:09.31 | Gnarfoz | Kesava: Chrome? |
| 20:09.41 | Gnarfoz | Kesava: click the cookie icon in the location bar and allow all ooyala and akamaihd cookies |
| 20:09.46 | Kesava | literally everything |
| 20:09.52 | Kesava | i've done that many times |
| 20:09.57 | Gnarfoz | are you certain |
| 20:10.02 | Gnarfoz | they're 3rd party and at least for me, Chrome is blocking those by default |
| 20:10.15 | Gnarfoz | what does the dev tools JS console say |
| 20:11.27 | Gnarfoz | it took me hours to figure it out why (cookies), but I was getting 403's from Akamai's authentication servers ever after the opening ceremony |
| 20:12.00 | Kesava | yeah, player.ooyala is giving me 403s |
| 20:12.02 | Gnarfoz | (actually by now I went it to the appropriate dialog and whitelisted [*.]ooyala.com and [*.]akamaihd.net |
| 20:12.07 | Kesava | but i'm accepting 3rd party cookies |
| 20:15.37 | Kesava | yeah ok that fixed it, even though I'm allowing third party cookies (temporarily) I had to explicitly allow ooyala.com |
| 20:15.38 | Kesava | makes sense. |
| 20:15.49 | Kesava | ty |
| 20:19.16 | Gnarfoz | awesome =) |
| 20:22.04 | Gnarfoz | also, if your stream keeps switching back and forth between SD and HD, check if something (like uBlock or so) is blocking ooyala's stats server... that back and forth only stopped for me when I allowed that through |
| 20:22.55 | Kesava | i allowed that and I don't seem to be getting it |
| 20:22.57 | Kesava | so yay. |
| 20:23.17 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 20:24.28 | Gnarfoz | they really should offer some kind of trailer loop stream that requires the exact same things as the real thing does, and enable that a couple of days before |
| 20:26.08 | Kesava | indeed |
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| 21:01.40 | nevcairiel | systems panel and no watcher? :d |
| 21:05.30 | zenzelezz | ? |
| 21:05.52 | Rythal | very surprised no watcher |
| 21:07.06 | Gnarfoz | he had half of the main legion panel to himself already :P |
| 21:08.33 | Gnarfoz | I missed the first minutes, I was still making food :-/ |
| 21:08.42 | nevcairiel | bad timing |
| 21:08.43 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 21:08.58 | Rythal | Didn't miss much, they went over warlock getting ulthalesh in general |
| 21:09.05 | Gnarfoz | Thought I started early enough, but I got carried away |
| 21:09.23 | Gnarfoz | But now my salad also has eggs and dressing and cheese |
| 21:10.41 | Rythal | I'm hoping they address the secondary spec issue with artifacts... raiding guilds don't have weeks or months to build a second artifact for the offspec |
| 21:10.50 | nevcairiel | same |
| 21:10.56 | nevcairiel | or even simpler, healers |
| 21:10.59 | nevcairiel | we level as some other spec |
| 21:11.05 | Rythal | aye |
| 21:11.05 | nevcairiel | so whats up with our artifact |
| 21:12.52 | Amarande | yeah, if healers are going to be forced to actually level as healers ... you know, I hate to be doomsaying, but that might actually kill off wow :p |
| 21:13.11 | Amarande | I've tried to level as healer a couple times, it ends up being up there with observing the dessication of pigmentary material |
| 21:13.34 | Amarande | but without healers, you don't have a raid :| |
| 21:13.40 | Rythal | not just healers.. tanks too.. leveling as a guardian was painful to the point I had to switch, not as painful as healing tho |
| 21:16.20 | Amarande | I suppose we could try getting players out of the mindset that you have to have absolutely to-the-third-decimal-point spreadsheet optimised gear to be a real raider |
| 21:16.23 | Amarande | GLWT, though. LOL |
| 21:17.08 | Rythal | heh I said that earlier today in my guild, a shammy was complaining and I said "play what you wanna play, your not in the 1% that it matters." |
| 21:17.28 | Amarande | it seems to be a fairly WoW-specific elitism, as well |
| 21:17.37 | nevcairiel | yeah i dont expect perfectionims from anyone else in my guild |
| 21:17.42 | nevcairiel | but i still want to do the best myself :p |
| 21:17.56 | Amarande | in other MMOs, either there's also heavy gear elitism but the content is *actually that hard*, or people just don't really obsess over it that much in general |
| 21:18.21 | Amarande | like people do want top of the top gear for nightmare mode in sw:tor, but that's because nightmare mode is actually hard enough that you need it |
| 21:18.28 | Rythal | i'm barely ilvl 650 on my warlock... maybe 622 on my druid... I know I'm not gunna do shit :P and i'm fine with that |
| 21:18.55 | Amarande | otoh, you get wide mixes in gear level in duty finder in ffxiv and it doesn't affect things much |
| 21:19.38 | Stanzilla | wow fail |
| 21:19.41 | Stanzilla | the guy is called Ritssyn |
| 21:19.54 | Amarande | of course, most duty finder extreme-tier groups don't succeed, but that's more because extreme tier content in ffxiv requires the group coordination of the '72 Dolphins and the dancing skills of Nijinsky from pretty much everyone LOL |
| 21:23.42 | Simca | Stanzilla: https://twitter.com/Wowpedia/status/663097926705651713 if you didn't see it |
| 21:23.55 | Stanzilla | yeah I saw :D |
| 21:24.23 | Simca | no :Ds for encryption! |
| 21:24.36 | nevcairiel | mmo-c ruining it for everyone |
| 21:25.26 | Rythal | I would not be impressed if they encrypt everything :| |
| 21:25.44 | Simca | (this is kind of actually my fault, since I noticed the first time they started pushing files to the CDN without updating the build and prodded curse devs into updating their tools to handle that case) |
| 21:26.48 | Semlar | stop breaking things simca |
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| 21:29.10 | Rythal | ... 10 min cooldowns are back? |
| 21:29.24 | nevcairiel | warlocks have 10m cooldowns today |
| 21:29.38 | nevcairiel | in raid fights it reset anyway |
| 21:32.33 | Semlar | copies and pastes demonology warlocks onto nevcairiel |
| 21:34.03 | Maldivia | no rune types... |
| 21:34.09 | Amarande | wowpedia is on creative commons licence, encryption and trying to keep others from sharing it seems a little against the spirit of things, no? |
| 21:34.26 | Amarande | mind you it's been a while since I've been to mmo-champion, and even longer since I've been anywhere there but occasional googled forum threads |
| 21:34.26 | Semlar | imo they should just reduce every class down to one button |
| 21:34.27 | nevcairiel | its a quote from the developers |
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| 21:34.44 | Semlar | i shouldn't have to look at my screen to play |
| 21:34.59 | zenzelezz | "creative commons" says nothing. Which CC? CC-BY-NA? CC-0? etc |
| 21:35.11 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 21:35.33 | Amarande | wowpedia uses CC BY-SA 3.0, fwiw |
| 21:35.46 | Gnarfoz | Almost Fisker levels of non-sequitur, zenzelezz |
| 21:36.34 | zenzelezz | Gnarfoz: that's too advanced for my English; care to dumb it down? |
| 21:36.56 | Gnarfoz | where did that come from? |
| 21:37.23 | Amarande | well, the tweet made it sound like it was wowpedia complaining about mmo-c |
| 21:37.35 | Gnarfoz | Nobody was talking about licences unless it was Amarande |
| 21:37.41 | zenzelezz | it was Amarande |
| 21:37.43 | Amarande | see why short, simple speech is a bad idea? :D |
| 21:37.53 | Gnarfoz | O:-) |
| 21:37.55 | zenzelezz | I'm going to guess you don't always see Amarande's chat |
| 21:38.08 | Amarande | zenzelezz: yeah, gnarfoz has me on ignore :P |
| 21:38.10 | Gnarfoz | Never mind, then |
| 21:38.28 | zenzelezz | Gnarfoz: np, with that in mind I understand what you meant :) |
| 21:38.32 | Rythal | hrmm.. they talk about subtly going ninja and staying stealth always... but nothing about combat |
| 21:38.47 | Gnarfoz | Combat doesn't exist anymore |
| 21:38.49 | Maldivia | well, he's mentioning one spec per class |
| 21:38.55 | nevcairiel | maybe its in another category |
| 21:39.01 | Maldivia | ok, nevermind disc and shadow priest are mentioned :D |
| 21:39.06 | Gnarfoz | It's "outlaw" bost |
| 21:39.12 | Gnarfoz | *now |
| 21:39.33 | Amarande | yeah, I think there would be holy hell if they went to there being only one spec per class :) |
| 21:39.40 | Rythal | I know it's outlaw.. but we know nothing about it, i'd rather know about the change of the spec name :P |
| 21:39.42 | Amarande | not to mention an even more dire shortage of tanks and healers :P |
| 21:39.46 | Gnarfoz | Hehe |
| 21:40.26 | Gnarfoz | Shadow priest stuff, znf |
| 21:40.30 | Gnarfoz | Sounds crazy |
| 21:40.43 | Ressy | YES |
| 21:40.46 | Rythal | it actualyl sounds pretty damn cool change |
| 21:40.49 | Gnarfoz | Insane, even |
| 21:40.52 | Rythal | I want tentacles! |
| 21:40.54 | Gnarfoz | ... :-D |
| 21:41.00 | zenzelezz | who doesn't |
| 21:41.04 | Semlar | calm down |
| 21:41.22 | Amarande | the only way one spec per class would be able to be fun at all would be if they did something like FFXIV where you can swap classes at will |
| 21:41.26 | Gnarfoz | We won't |
| 21:41.31 | Semlar | hundreds of new talents? |
| 21:41.35 | Rythal | oh gods... Talent Revamp 8.0 |
| 21:41.41 | Gnarfoz | Yeah, what |
| 21:41.53 | nevcairiel | they are introducing way more spec specific talents |
| 21:41.54 | Amarande | and I have this sneaky sinking feeling that Square has that feature patented, since the only MMOs I've *ever* seen that be a thing in are the FF ones |
| 21:41.55 | nevcairiel | hence, more |
| 21:41.58 | znf | I'll check it at home |
| 21:42.03 | Gnarfoz | More talents than in, say, WotLK |
| 21:42.16 | Amarande | Rythal: 8.0? 7.0 isn't even out yet *blink* |
| 21:42.26 | Semlar | do i still get barrage as a melee hunter |
| 21:42.30 | Rythal | We've had talent revamps mid-expansion before :P |
| 21:43.07 | zenzelezz | fair enough things change over time in MMOs, but I feel like they just can't figure out where they want talents to really be |
| 21:43.20 | Semlar | GO OUT IN THE WORLD? I THINK NOT |
| 21:43.32 | Gnarfoz | I'd rather they try out more stuff than stay still |
| 21:43.42 | Amarande | zenzelezz: the problem is the player base kind of has them painted into their choice of corners :( |
| 21:43.48 | Gnarfoz | Talents were the same for many years |
| 21:44.21 | Rythal | It doesn't matter what they do with talents, it'll always be the same.. raiders pick talents, people pick same talents thinking it makes them better, rest of talents never get looed at |
| 21:44.24 | Rythal | looked* |
| 21:44.37 | Amarande | any time they try to offer us an attempt at variety, the spreadsheets come out and before the patch is even out everything's been reduced to "pick one of these one to three loadouts or you're a noobish square who's dragging down the raid with your suboptimality" |
| 21:44.43 | Maldivia | so crafting is not one long questline...ok... |
| 21:44.45 | Maldivia | now* |
| 21:44.59 | Gnarfoz | I can't say that's how Paladin talents have felt for me in quite a whole now, Rythal |
| 21:45.06 | Gnarfoz | *while |
| 21:45.13 | Amarande | Rythal: well, part of the trouble, especially with wow, is that the raiders analyse the talents to death mathematically, so the ones the raiders pick actually are proven to be better than any of the others |
| 21:45.31 | Amarande | and due to the dynamics of group gaming, you're more or less stuck picking one of the approved sets |
| 21:45.45 | Gnarfoz | But there's 10 other classes, probably not all of them as nice |
| 21:45.56 | Amarande | (in a single player game, not picking the absolute tippy-top math choice is "a challenge"; in a group based game it's "not pulling your best weight in the group") |
| 21:46.01 | Maldivia | ehh, no combat over gathering nodes... everyone can pick/mine it?S |
| 21:46.03 | Rythal | 11 other classes come legion :P |
| 21:46.04 | Gnarfoz | Double wide Ui |
| 21:46.36 | Gnarfoz | Also, ARL just made obsolete |
| 21:46.42 | Maldivia | "unlearned" |
| 21:46.45 | Amarande | there tends to be more choice in other MMOs because either things are not as analysed to death or "optimal" isn't really reasonably attainable |
| 21:46.52 | Semlar | lethe juice |
| 21:47.18 | Amarande | wait what's wrong with ARL? I haven't seen any other recipe list addons that are as good |
| 21:47.30 | Amarande | or did they manage to totally and utterly murdalise crafting this time :| |
| 21:47.34 | Maldivia | Amarande: it's in stock UI now |
| 21:47.40 | Amarande | ah |
| 21:47.42 | Amarande | nifty :) |
| 21:47.56 | Ressy | FUUUUCK |
| 21:48.00 | Ressy | cries |
| 21:48.00 | Gnarfoz | Haha |
| 21:48.34 | Rythal | geeeez look at those stats.. so squish lasted us all of 1 expansion |
| 21:48.50 | Gnarfoz | 2 |
| 21:48.56 | Amarande | Maldivia: does this mean we have an actual, absolute, verifiable verdict on some of those recipes that are thought to no longer be available but nobody has ever been able to be sure because Blizzard wasn't talking and you can't prove a negative? |
| 21:49.07 | Amarande | like that one gun recipe that used to be in zul'mashar |
| 21:49.26 | Gnarfoz | And they said they would just do it again if necessary, it's not like that's really an issue |
| 21:49.30 | Maldivia | Amarande: no idea -- but guess we'll find out when beta starts |
| 21:49.52 | Gnarfoz | What cash flow |
| 21:49.54 | Maldivia | Amarande: or ask some of the guys at blizzcon and can jump on and try the game tehre to check |
| 21:50.01 | Rythal | scribes have a cash flow? |
| 21:50.02 | Semlar | no more major glyphs |
| 21:50.09 | Gnarfoz | I haven't been able to earn gold with inscription for yeats |
| 21:50.16 | Gnarfoz | Years |
| 21:50.30 | Amarande | is there really anything that makes reliable gold anymore besides enchanting? :( |
| 21:50.39 | Gnarfoz | SwiftKey neural making me sound even crazier than usual |
| 21:50.57 | zenzelezz | I've given up using swiftkey or its equivalents |
| 21:51.07 | Amarande | even tailoring's kinda gotten gutted thanks to so many things stacking ten times as high, so you don't really have much incentive to shell out for ginormous bags anymore |
| 21:51.34 | Gnarfoz | Haha bacon |
| 21:52.01 | Maldivia | great fishing picture |
| 21:52.11 | Gnarfoz | Dude had a great segment |
| 21:52.40 | Maldivia | yeah, nice touch with the bandage banter... |
| 21:52.45 | Amarande | of course the whole trouble with crafting in wow is basically you've got an entire economy with nigh on zero element of scarcity and expecting the marginal profit of anything (except raw mats, which are a time-is-money) to end up being anything other than zero :S |
| 21:53.52 | Gnarfoz | Wow world drops -> Diablo 3 legendaries |
| 21:54.32 | Rythal | yep.. were goin diablo loot even more |
| 21:54.35 | Gnarfoz | Peanuts |
| 21:54.37 | Amarande | however, it is what it is pretty much ... like, if it takes chaos orbs all over again, I don't think it's really worth chaos orbs all over again :) |
| 21:54.46 | nevcairiel | still fixed stats |
| 21:54.49 | Semlar | BoP? |
| 21:54.55 | Gnarfoz | Didn't say |
| 21:55.06 | Semlar | they're legendary |
| 21:55.30 | Amarande | actually diablo-style loot may be just the thing to revitalise wow, especially if they stop doing the fixed stats thing eventually too |
| 21:55.31 | Rythal | There's your fixed stats part.. random ilvl |
| 21:55.48 | Gnarfoz | Yay |
| 21:56.16 | Amarande | if the gear you have access to is more random, it lends itself also to more variety in talent selection depending on what fits best with the gear |
| 21:56.25 | Gnarfoz | No more reason to use regular loot, ever |
| 21:56.43 | Semlar | well, it would still drop for your class |
| 21:56.45 | nevcairiel | its worth thinking about anywway |
| 21:57.15 | Gnarfoz | Loot was at least 50% of the organizational overhead of leading my raid |
| 21:57.15 | Maldivia | the duplicate personal loot can be traded -- what about an option to make it increase the ilevel if your existing piece instead |
| 21:57.19 | Rythal | diablo rifts.. diablo loot.. diablo transmog... laughs |
| 21:57.36 | nevcairiel | i still dont see the diablo loot |
| 21:57.41 | nevcairiel | thats just stretching |
| 21:57.44 | Gnarfoz | Rythal: GRift dungeons ;-) |
| 21:57.57 | Rythal | random ilvl legendaries dropping? how is that not diablo |
| 21:58.06 | Gnarfoz | He didn't say random |
| 21:58.11 | Gnarfoz | He said scaling |
| 21:58.13 | nevcairiel | diablo drops entirely randomized items |
| 21:58.22 | Amarande | Rythal: it also might preserve the long-term interest in PvE if Blizzard ever decides to stop doing expansion packs for WoW altogether |
| 21:58.33 | Semlar | reforges nevcairiel |
| 21:58.48 | Gnarfoz | This system will really capitalize on the insane amount of items that exist in the game |
| 21:58.51 | Maldivia | oh great... new meta game... unlock all transmorgs |
| 21:58.52 | Amarande | heck, look at Diablo 2, that stayed popular for years and years after there stopped being more than tiny bits of new content |
| 21:59.03 | Gnarfoz | Linkable xmog sets |
| 21:59.09 | Gnarfoz | Dang |
| 21:59.09 | Rythal | I'm not saying it's bad... I love diablo :P I play it more then I do wow right now |
| 21:59.11 | Semlar | aka mogit |
| 21:59.28 | Gnarfoz | Retroactive (^o^) |
| 21:59.42 | Maldivia | WOW |
| 21:59.48 | nevcairiel | retroactive^2 |
| 22:00.22 | Rythal | finally! |
| 22:00.24 | Gnarfoz | Hehe |
| 22:00.26 | Amarande | and let's be real, sooner or later there's going to stop being expansion packs for WoW ... if nothing else, they're going to run out of interesting enough things to do with the storyline |
| 22:00.31 | Semlar | just have 2 of the same spec to swap transmog |
| 22:01.01 | Gnarfoz | Tabards finally |
| 22:01.36 | Stanzilla | I came trice |
| 22:01.47 | Gnarfoz | Oh, Q&A is not audience based? I might watch that after all |
| 22:02.22 | nevcairiel | they collected questions for weeks online |
| 22:02.33 | Semlar | what's torhal doing up there |
| 22:02.44 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: that's what I thought |
| 22:02.49 | Rythal | the only thing they didn't announce with transmog that would of really made me hyped, is legendary transmog |
| 22:03.04 | Amarande | hah Semlar ... you know, it just occurred to me that several of the regular names in this channel aren't here right now |
| 22:03.15 | Gnarfoz | Heh, yeah, that would have been the cherry on top |
| 22:03.19 | Amarande | I actually forgot Blizzcon was this weekend :P |
| 22:03.26 | nevcairiel | probably still not wanting that |
| 22:03.46 | Rythal | They are all hung over after the curse party last night and on their way to play overwatch mostly |
| 22:03.48 | Amarande | why don't they want legendary transmog anyways :S |
| 22:04.02 | Amarande | it actually makes old legendaries less worth going for than other legacy items |
| 22:04.12 | Gnarfoz | Playing some Overwatch is what I'm gonna do |
| 22:04.13 | Stanzilla | The still spelt Ritssyn wrong in the slides |
| 22:04.53 | Gnarfoz | Many cameo NPCs are slightly misspelled, though |
| 22:04.59 | Gnarfoz | Intentionally |
| 22:05.29 | Stanzilla | they said you meet your class fantasy heroes |
| 22:05.36 | Gnarfoz | OTOH, I'm too lazy to get up from the sofa |
| 22:05.36 | Stanzilla | would be weird if he has a wrong name |
| 22:05.44 | Stanzilla | and all his items have the old one |
| 22:05.59 | Amarande | Stanzilla: and then realising you have Excalipoor instead of Excalibur? :) |
| 22:06.03 | Amarande | wrong universe, but ... heh |
| 22:07.17 | Rythal | I haven't watched the D3 panel from yesterday, but so far.. that systems panel was the first one all blizzcon that's gotten me excited |
| 22:07.57 | nevcairiel | the d3 panel was pretty cool too, but its just patch content, so they would've otherwised just announced that with patch notes =p |
| 22:08.03 | Simca | legendary transmog makes sense at this point |
| 22:08.24 | Simca | since artifact weapons already add in the 'everyone using X weapon' problem |
| 22:08.41 | Simca | i wouldn't be surprised if they allowed it now |
| 22:09.40 | Rythal | on the flip side.. the point of artifact is how much you can customize it, and most legendarys are weapons to date.. why would they want to let us hide the hard work that went into the artifacts |
| 22:09.44 | Stanzilla | I hate the legendary drops |
| 22:09.46 | Stanzilla | that just seems like |
| 22:09.52 | Amarande | hell, I can't even come up with an outlandish conspiracy theory for why they'd want to hold back legendary transmog |
| 22:09.54 | Stanzilla | uhg epics are too common we need to use the next color |
| 22:10.07 | Amarande | except for something weaksauce like the blizz guys are making bank on the AH off of the shadowmourne goodie bag items LOL |
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| 22:10.23 | nevcairiel | dunno, seems fine to me |
| 22:10.31 | nevcairiel | if they are really rare enough and important enough |
| 22:10.34 | nevcairiel | and maybe actually BoP |
| 22:10.36 | Amarande | and you can't transmog shadow's edge anyway so that doesn't even work :) |
| 22:10.54 | Amarande | (you know, encourage people not to finish the quest so that there's fewer goodie bags to compete with! heh) |
| 22:11.31 | Amarande | ugh I checked wowhead for something. glad I'm on linux or I'd feel a bit e-unclean right about now :P |
| 22:11.40 | Stanzilla | nah still watering down the actualy meaning of legendarie |
| 22:11.42 | Stanzilla | *y |
| 22:12.05 | nevcairiel | we havent had actual legendaries for several e xpansions now, and they are unlikely to go back to rare raid legendaries |
| 22:12.15 | nevcairiel | so since no legendary is of interest today |
| 22:12.18 | nevcairiel | why not use the color |
| 22:12.19 | Rythal | was just gunna say they already are watered down |
| 22:12.25 | Amarande | yeah, nevcairiel is pretty much right |
| 22:12.40 | Amarande | the expansion model atm doesn't really admit for going back to the rare raid legendary paradigm anyway |
| 22:12.50 | Stanzilla | 1 item on every person is still more legendary than several items on every person |
| 22:12.58 | Amarande | content doesn't last long enough anymore, especially with expansion packs being more frequent now |
| 22:13.20 | Rythal | I kinda think the reverse.. the expansion model of everything scaling, could open the door to re-opening all old legendaries, scaled. |
| 22:13.24 | Amarande | by the time people have a reasonable shot at the legendary it's already an obsolete item :P |
| 22:13.47 | nevcairiel | an item everyone has, and everyone gets just by doing lfr, is not legendary at all |
| 22:13.51 | Rythal | A level 110 thunderfury.. |
| 22:14.07 | nevcairiel | hours of farming for a very rare item, or just an insane amount of luck, feels more legendary to me |
| 22:14.14 | Amarande | plus if you do make a super awesome legendary that you have to go to great effort to assemble you end up with shit like dragonwrath all over again, too |
| 22:14.25 | Amarande | that staff pretty much screwed up the guild dynamics of entire servers, apparently |
| 22:14.38 | Rythal | dragonwrath.. the only legendary I haven't gotten yet :| |
| 22:14.48 | Amarande | you'd have guilds where like EVERY CASTER DPS had dragonwrath |
| 22:15.18 | Amarande | and the numbers just don't add up, unless basically every guild who has someone finish the staff gets that person poached by one of those all-stars guilds |
| 22:16.25 | Amarande | which in turn kinda actually encourages guilds to NOT let members finish their legendary unless they're the top guild on server, because of the risk of losing that member to an upward career move |
| 22:16.38 | Rythal | which is what happens.. I remember apps back then specifically saying "Do you have dragonwrath" |
| 22:17.48 | Amarande | yeah, it practically indicates that the optimal strategy for a guild is to either sabotage everyone's chance at dragonwrath or else to ensure a total baddie gets it |
| 22:18.10 | Amarande | no wonder they moved to everyone-gets-a-trophy heh |
| 22:18.42 | nevcairiel | yeah that happened back then |
| 22:19.47 | Amarande | yeah, probably not something we want to see happen again in the future |
| 22:19.54 | nevcairiel | its really a shame the DMF Q&A panels are not televised |
| 22:20.05 | Amarande | especially since so many of the recent changes have damaged the social aspect of the game as it is :( |
| 22:20.42 | Rythal | curse or wowhead should have someone standing in DMF livestreaming every question asked :| |
| 22:21.29 | Amarande | I've got a pretty decent sized bnet friends list, and of that I'm pretty sure I can count the number of said friends I actually made friends with *in wow* on my fingers, maybe of one hand |
| 22:22.03 | Rythal | heh.. none of my friends list is from wow, it's all d3 and hearthstone.. and RL people. |
| 22:22.27 | Amarande | there's just that little incentive to really take the time to forge friendships in wow anymore it seems |
| 22:22.31 | Ressy | curse does. |
| 22:22.34 | Ressy | wowpedia |
| 22:22.48 | Ressy | He's recording it, but wifi's crappy, and cutting out |
| 22:22.58 | Amarande | unless you want to raid at higher than lfr level, but even then, how do you manage to figure out which guilds are worth aspiring to when there's that little actual social aspect to the game anymore |
| 22:23.07 | Simca | Rythal: wifi in the center is horrid |
| 22:23.15 | Simca | only blizz PCs can stream with any consistency |
| 22:23.19 | Simca | because they're on LAN |
| 22:23.20 | nevcairiel | kd3 transcribes the DMF panels usually |
| 22:23.24 | nevcairiel | on twitter |
| 22:23.28 | nevcairiel | but i would like a video |
| 22:23.31 | Amarande | Rythal: yeah, major conventions of all stripes tend to be known for poor wireless |
| 22:23.51 | Amarande | it gets fun at places like dragon con when you're trying to buy something from a vendor and the damned credit box can't connect :P |
| 22:24.13 | Simca | it costs like $80 for two days wireless access in the center too |
| 22:24.18 | Simca | which is super lame |
| 22:24.38 | Amarande | (and if it's a really huge convention cash stops being viable after the first day or two, too :) |
| 22:25.07 | Amarande | like, say, first time I went to dragon con, after saturday night I literally did not see cash again until I was at the airport on the way home on tuesday |
| 22:25.12 | Simca | last year we had a friend buy it and use a secondary network to share it |
| 22:25.32 | Amarande | wifi and cellular is even more bizarro world, at times |
| 22:26.01 | Amarande | three floors below ground? perfect bars! one floor below ground not too far away? X |
| 22:26.45 | Rythal | never really noticed since I don't take anything wireless with me.. I'd rather carry my camera then a laptop, and bell wants stupid amounts of money to use my phone down there, so i leave that in the hotel |
| 22:27.29 | Simca | yeah in Hall D you could pick up an unsecured no cost network from a nearby building |
| 22:27.44 | Semlar | o.o |
| 22:27.46 | Simca | but the connection was beyond awful, like 30 seconds to load a basic page |
| 22:27.46 | Ressy | I'm on Wind, so I pay $15 for unlimited data, voice and texts for the month. |
| 22:27.57 | Ressy | down int he US |
| 22:28.39 | Rythal | I should switch to wind... I use to be in backalley one horse town so was forced to bell just to get 3G nevermind faster.. now i'm right down town. |
| 22:29.28 | nevcairiel | the stream just claimed t-mobile offers free wifi in the entire convention center |
| 22:29.52 | Ressy | Toronto or Ottawa? |
| 22:30.30 | Ressy | Rythal? |
| 22:31.03 | Rythal | Toronto |
| 22:31.21 | Ressy | cool.. North Toronto here. |
| 22:31.46 | Rythal | North West for me, Weston/Lawrence area |
| 22:31.59 | Ressy | Bathurst/Steeles |
| 22:32.08 | Rythal | just moved here 2 months ago.. still getting use to being in the city |
| 22:32.16 | Ressy | heh |
| 22:32.25 | Ressy | Thats a real fancy area.. |
| 22:32.54 | Rythal | everyone says the reverse :| when they come to see my place they are like "I always heard this was a bad part of town, but it's not bad" |
| 22:33.09 | Ressy | lol |
| 22:33.21 | Ressy | its right near the private golf courses |
| 22:34.11 | Ressy | ex husband used to work at the Weston golf & country club |
| 22:35.03 | Rythal | My work offered to cover the difference of my old rent and the rent to live in toronto up to a certain amount, so I had to find somewhere reasonably cheap... jumped on the first one that came with AC and a pool |
| 22:35.13 | Ressy | nice |
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| 22:36.47 | kullervo | is there an addon to auto link relevant achis when queuing for groups? |
| 22:43.07 | Rythal | hrmm.. I don't pvp.. but did wod have any new bg's? |
| 22:43.09 | Amarande | also, be bloody careful about your windows PCs and wifi service, don't know if these things are capped but it's becoming a significant issue for quite many :| |
| 22:44.21 | Amarande | actually, wonder if that's a contributing reason why the wifi is so shitty there? |
| 22:45.07 | Amarande | apparently MS decided to be even more pushy and basically cause everyone who's got 7 or 8.1 to download the windows 10 upgrade in toto as a recommended update |
| 22:45.37 | Amarande | there's been copious complaints because of the download causing people to go over their wireless monthly quotas, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's causing public/semi-public wifi to overload too :S |
| 22:46.47 | Rythal | It's one thing I really dislike about w10.. I was told going pro I wouldn't be forced to do updates... but every week, I can defer it for a couple days, then i'm forced to install.. can't defer for a second time |
| 22:47.41 | Gethe | you have to check "Derfer upgrades" |
| 22:47.57 | Gethe | Defer* |
| 22:48.33 | Amarande | this is for people who haven't upgraded to 10 yet and didn't yet accept the free upgrade reservation |
| 22:49.06 | Amarande | in order to press more people to upgrade (probably to boost marketing figures for the media), they've decided everyone should have the whole upgrade sitting on their system waiting for them whether they asked or not |
| 22:49.29 | Gethe | sorry my responce was for Rythal |
| 22:49.48 | Amarande | which means now everyone's getting stuck downloading a 3GB update they may not even use, and /. is littered with accounts of people or their families/friends who busted their cellular cap due to it |
| 22:50.31 | Amarande | especially bad for windows 7 because being able to say a connection is metered wasn't a thing till 8, and for people who use a wired connection to a cellular modem (because apparently windows automatically assumes any ethernet link has a huge or no limit and won't let you say it's metered) |
| 22:51.02 | Amarande | but yeah, I have to wonder how many folks on the blizzcon floor are gumming up the wifi because their laptops are pulling that giant update :S |
| 22:52.20 | Rythal | WHAT! |
| 22:52.32 | Rythal | Tri-spec/quad-spec! |
| 22:52.36 | nevcairiel | quad-spec |
| 22:52.38 | nevcairiel | i love! |
| 22:52.51 | Rythal | that makes up for the crap answer about relics of off-specs |
| 22:53.10 | Amarande | I always wondered why they didn't go with that way back in MoP |
| 22:53.19 | nevcairiel | well i'm not worried about the relics really |
| 22:53.23 | nevcairiel | just wondering about artifact power |
| 22:53.36 | nevcairiel | since he is right, relics are just your traditional drop |
| 22:53.59 | Amarande | like, what reason not to just let people swap specs whenever instead of having to pick two out of three, especially when they'd moved to just having six talent picks total per spec |
| 22:54.59 | Amarande | tri-spec = yay marksmanship lives again :) |
| 22:56.20 | Amarande | (because really, is there any rational choice for your spec pair as a hunter atm besides BM/Surv?) |
| 22:56.38 | Rythal | yes.. I hate melee |
| 22:56.45 | Simca | marks is the best spec on every fight by a significant margin, so yes. |
| 22:56.49 | Simca | unless you're talking about in legion. |
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| 22:58.06 | Amarande | huh, I thought surv was still the sweet spot in groups |
| 22:58.19 | Amarande | and of course you want BM for soloing, because really who wants to solo as marks, that's just torture now that there's no pet :p |
| 22:58.48 | Rythal | BM solo, marks raid .. surv is kinda, on the side right now |
| 22:58.56 | Simca | on the side meaning awful |
| 22:59.05 | Amarande | if I wanted that experience I'd be a lotro hunter, or play any of the various recent single player RPGs that marginalise ranged builds horribly |
| 22:59.06 | Simca | in every context |
| 22:59.08 | nevcairiel | surv was raid just a patch ago |
| 22:59.16 | nevcairiel | its just how the world works |
| 22:59.32 | Rythal | just like demon was raid a patch ago :P |
| 22:59.38 | Simca | marks in raid gear does so much damage that crit chimera shots 1shot mobs, if you've got raid gear you will probably solo as marks too |
| 23:00.58 | Amarande | well, when you've got raid gear, you pretty much obliviate regular world mobs before you can blink anyway |
| 23:01.17 | Simca | and before your pet will get in kill command range, annoyingly |
| 23:01.25 | Amarande | Simca: that's probably a good thing |
| 23:01.39 | Amarande | unless you like losing loot to not getting to do enough damage before your pet mauls the thing to death :) |
| 23:02.49 | Semlar2 | i hate pets |
| 23:03.23 | Semlar2 | they're like a buggy dot |
| 23:04.03 | Semlar2 | they're useful outside of raids though |
| 23:05.00 | Amarande | yeah, I can't imagine wanting to solo without a pet when one's class has the option of having one |
| 23:05.10 | Amarande | (except for specific situational cases where the pet can be a strategic liability, I suppose) |
| 23:05.40 | Amarande | it pretty much turns your nominally ranged class into a melee class, at least unless you're so overpowered that you just obliterate everything in one or two shots |
| 23:06.44 | Amarande | seen it be an issue with all too many games lately, ostensibly they give you the choice of combat styles, but in reality you end up being either a) a melee fighter, or b) clumsy because your ranged/caster dude is forced to melee most of the time anyway :P |
| 23:13.08 | Rythal | hrmm.. cross-faction chat.. not sure about that |
| 23:17.24 | Ressy | zomg |
| 23:17.42 | Ressy | This means I get my Ana/Bene back |
| 23:18.37 | Ressy | YAY!!!!!! |
| 23:18.39 | Ressy | dances |
| 23:20.14 | Gnarfoz | Elitist Jerk joke at Ion |
| 23:20.19 | Gnarfoz | pff |
| 23:20.20 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 23:25.45 | Stanzilla | yeah I lold |
| 23:25.50 | Stanzilla | @Wowpedia: Tank swaps, boss movement, getting fixed. In 6.2.3. |
| 23:25.53 | Stanzilla | guess they backported that |
| 23:25.53 | Stanzilla | nice |
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| 23:39.52 | Amarande | Rythal: there were already plenty of ways people were doing that anyway |
| 23:40.01 | Amarande | battle.net friend chat, and a trick with warlocks |
| 23:40.16 | Amarande | the real question is why they kept that restriction for so long :S |
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| 23:47.09 | Rythal | *shakes fist at directtv for talking about the pvp and who won before I can watch it* |
| 23:56.38 | Gnarfoz | how can you be watching one but not the other |
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