| 00:04.42 | Semlar | yes |
| 00:05.29 | Neffi | foxlit: I would assume during the next frame |
| 00:05.45 | foxlit | Neffi: and as of 6.2.2, you'd be right. |
| 00:05.52 | Neffi | kek |
| 00:06.07 | Neffi | That's an easy mistake to make though |
| 00:06.19 | foxlit | which is annoying, since the opposite behavious is useful and is how it worked prior to this patch. |
| 00:06.25 | foxlit | s/ous/our/ |
| 00:06.40 | Neffi | you can implement the opposite behavior in any number of ways though |
| 00:07.08 | foxlit | noooot reeeeaaaaaallllyyyyy. |
| 00:07.11 | Neffi | like, just call the function |
| 00:07.29 | Neffi | what are you trying to do, call a function after all events for this cycle have been processed? |
| 00:07.41 | foxlit | more or less, yes. |
| 00:07.41 | Neffi | but before the cycle is past (eg, before the screen is drawn)? |
| 00:07.54 | Neffi | use the very next OnUpdate then, that should still be within this cycle |
| 00:07.54 | Semlar | recycles neffi |
| 00:08.54 | Neffi | oh foxlit, did you have to implement a parser for macro [] syntax when doing your custom macro magic? and if so is the code FOSS? |
| 00:09.26 | Semlar | he has some big macro parsing thing in opie |
| 00:09.29 | Neffi | incinerates Semlar. |
| 00:10.42 | Semlar | there's a function built in for resolving a macro condition though, if that's what you want |
| 00:11.04 | Neffi | i want a gif of you dying, bby |
| 00:11.49 | Semlar | http://gfycat.com/SaltyAgonizingHeterodontosaurus |
| 00:12.27 | Neffi | it's beautiful |
| 00:15.01 | foxlit | meh, so I need a constant OnUpdate. |
| 00:16.04 | Neffi | it'll be cheap. it just needs to check if the queue is empty and bail when not in use |
| 00:16.41 | Semlar | my nameplate addon just did everything on every update |
| 00:16.45 | Semlar | it was great |
| 00:17.00 | Neffi | +1 |
| 00:17.18 | Neffi | events are too much work. having to look up what the event is called and all that nonsense. just use onupdate man |
| 00:17.26 | Semlar | yeah |
| 00:17.54 | Neffi | note: I do not endorse this foolishness |
| 00:18.02 | Neffi | Semlar, go to your room |
| 00:18.13 | Semlar | i am in my room |
| 00:18.33 | Neffi | my job here is done |
| 00:18.52 | Semlar | should i go to a different room |
| 00:19.06 | Semlar | i could go to your room |
| 00:20.00 | Neffi | but we're a lot of miles away from each other |
| 00:20.02 | Neffi | like, at least a dozen |
| 00:21.39 | Semlar | only in the technical sense |
| 00:22.56 | Neffi | no, i'm p sure in the other sense too |
| 00:25.58 | foxlit | nope, Neffi, not semantically equivalent. |
| 00:26.12 | Neffi | foxlit: why? |
| 00:26.29 | foxlit | who knows; I wrote http://pastebin.com/reHmLyua , things blew up |
| 00:26.44 | foxlit | I suspect it's because I call .After(0, from within an .After(0, timer. |
| 00:26.52 | Neffi | eww |
| 00:27.10 | Neffi | why do you need to do this anyway? |
| 00:27.11 | foxlit | what, it eventually terminates and everyone lives happily ever after. |
| 00:27.22 | Semlar | tries to calm foxlit down |
| 00:30.21 | foxlit | so just bad implementation, really; while fixed it. |
| 00:30.50 | foxlit | it's an ever-so-useful thing to have, Neffi. |
| 00:32.10 | Neffi | I can't possibly imagine why |
| 00:32.25 | Neffi | This seems like a detail you shouldn't have to depend on |
| 00:32.39 | foxlit | bucketing update notifications, for example |
| 00:33.05 | Neffi | why must they happen right now, and not one screen frame later? |
| 00:33.22 | foxlit | because if they don't happen now, you'll display one frame of WRONG to the user. |
| 00:34.07 | Neffi | so? |
| 00:34.14 | Neffi | you can mask the slight latency |
| 00:34.15 | foxlit | things flicker, user is unhappy. |
| 00:34.36 | Neffi | close the bug as WONTFIX - NOTOURBUG and you're good |
| 00:34.42 | Neffi | it seems to work for every other project out there |
| 00:34.52 | foxlit | ah, but it annoys me. |
| 00:35.01 | foxlit | the other use case is pure laziness. |
| 00:35.01 | Neffi | ok then |
| 00:35.23 | foxlit | I can have an obvious hook decide to override default UI behaviour in one place, but actually do the overriding later, after the dust of the default UI's actions has settled. |
| 00:35.55 | foxlit | it's convinient to say "Oh hey, you're showing frame X, as its OnShow just ran? Well, okay. Remind me to replace it with frame Y before anyone ever sees X" |
| 00:37.26 | Neffi | I read that over wondering "why" and then I reread and came to "after the dust of the default UI's actions has settled" and went "ahhh" |
| 00:37.42 | Neffi | it really is much easier when you have to interfere _as little as humanly possible_ with the workings of the default UI |
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| 00:45.40 | foxlit | textmate really doesn't like mass find/replace operations with folding |
| 00:46.24 | foxlit | https://go-hero.net/i/tm.png |
| 01:02.47 | foxlit | Neffi: well, that parsing code exists, but it has no license where it is, and is probably less useful in that form. |
| 01:05.55 | Neffi | alright. it's not particularly hard syntax to parse. i was just wondering if a free parser was already written for it |
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| 01:44.20 | Semlar | does lua pattern matching really not have a way to match whitespace OR the start/end of a line |
| 01:45.10 | foxlit | OR is problematic in general. |
| 01:45.47 | Semlar | like you can't do (^|%s) |
| 01:46.13 | Semlar | and i don't think it has a symbol to match a word boundary like regex does |
| 01:46.37 | foxlit | AND NO LOOK-AHEAD ASSERTIONS. LOOK AT THOSE SAVAGES. |
| 01:47.07 | Semlar | i guess you could just use %s and put a space on the front and end of the line |
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| 01:54.10 | foxlit | (there's always %f) |
| 01:54.58 | Semlar | i don't think the frontier pattern can do this unless you can put ^ and $ in a character class |
| 01:55.35 | Semlar | or maybe i'm thinking about it the wrong way |
| 02:01.58 | Semlar | let's say you wanted to match all words of at least 2 characters that start with a letter and can contain a digit, eg. %a%w+, but they also need to either be surrounded by whitespace or at the start or end of a line |
| 02:03.00 | Semlar | how do you stop it from partially matching a word containing a hyphen |
| 02:06.59 | Semlar | or do you simply run two passes |
| 02:07.15 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:51.11 | Cairenn | pounces Iriel |
| 02:51.59 | Fisker | looks at Cairenn |
| 02:58.04 | Iriel | waves, evening |
| 02:58.20 | Iriel | (Delayed action) |
| 02:58.49 | Cairenn | You going to BC this year? |
| 02:59.30 | Iriel | That's still the plan |
| 02:59.41 | Cairenn | Dinner sign up is up :) |
| 03:10.43 | Iriel | Cairenn: signed up |
| 03:10.49 | Cairenn | :) |
| 03:17.46 | mckenziemc | hugs Fisker and Cairenn. |
| 03:17.56 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
| 03:28.51 | mckenziemc | Semlar: would "[%w%-]+" or "%a[%w%-]*" work? |
| 03:30.32 | Semlar | no, you pretty much need lookahead/behind |
| 03:30.56 | mckenziemc | i don't see why |
| 03:31.24 | Neffiphone | semlar what is a word? |
| 03:31.25 | Semlar | i want words that don't contain hyphens |
| 03:31.48 | Semlar | your pattern is going to match the hyphen |
| 03:31.53 | Neffiphone | so a word is an sequence that begins with a latt |
| 03:31.56 | Neffiphone | ehwjdnd |
| 03:32.06 | Semlar | i already defined what a word was neffi |
| 03:32.13 | Neffiphone | ok |
| 03:32.53 | mckenziemc | so you want it to not match hyphenated words at all then? (your comment above was ambiguous, hence why i included the hypen) |
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| 03:33.11 | Semlar | i want it to completely ignore a word with a hyphen in it |
| 03:33.51 | Semlar | i don't want it to match up to the hyphen or any other part of the word |
| 03:34.35 | Neffiphone | specifically hyphens? |
| 03:34.56 | Neffiphone | or you specifically want a word delimited by whitespace only? |
| 03:35.04 | mckenziemc | probably do the hypen match and then discard the whole capture if does include one |
| 03:35.22 | Semlar | yeah, there's no way to do it in one pass in lua |
| 03:35.32 | Semlar | at least not as far as i know |
| 03:36.00 | mckenziemc | i think that's intentional :p |
| 03:36.52 | Neffiphone | (" "..mystr.." "):match("%s+(%a%w)+%s+") |
| 03:37.15 | mckenziemc | line endings, neffi |
| 03:37.23 | Neffiphone | what about them |
| 03:37.38 | Semlar | i already said you could stick spaces on the front and end and match that |
| 03:37.43 | Semlar | IT'S LIKE YOU WEREN'T EVEN LISTENING |
| 03:37.56 | Neffiphone | mckenziemc I'm p sure %s matches newlines |
| 03:38.04 | Neffiphone | unless wow is doing some fucjery |
| 03:38.23 | Neffiphone | I think it just uses.. what's that c function to check if a character is whitespace? |
| 03:38.42 | mckenziemc | i assumed it didn't, but even then, it probably doesn't consider the start/end of the string as matching :p |
| 03:38.47 | Neffiphone | I'm sorry semlar :( |
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| 07:07.57 | Stanzilla | I just found code that was indented with 3 spaces |
| 07:07.59 | Stanzilla | who does that |
| 07:20.28 | nevcairiel | some people just want to be different |
| 07:24.52 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 07:24.57 | Fisker | Who indents using spaces? |
| 07:25.11 | Stanzilla | me |
| 07:25.55 | Fisker | why? |
| 07:26.07 | Stanzilla | why not |
| 07:26.37 | Semlar | because tabs are better |
| 07:26.39 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 07:26.53 | Stanzilla | that's probably like pepsi vs coke |
| 07:27.00 | Semlar | THEY'RE JUST BETER |
| 07:27.01 | Fisker | nah |
| 07:27.05 | Semlar | TT |
| 07:27.27 | Fisker | tabs are objectively superior |
| 07:28.11 | Fisker | It's like spaces are 1+1, which equals 2 but tabs are 2+2 which equals 4 |
| 07:28.28 | Fisker | And the number 4 is greater than the number 2 |
| 07:34.01 | karl_w_w | perfect logic |
| 07:34.14 | Fisker | ^^ |
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| 07:41.22 | mckenziemc | comma-separates Fisker. |
| 07:47.33 | mckenziemc | so Fisker, how does it feel to be completely contained in a carefully constructed cocoon of commas? |
| 07:48.13 | mckenziemc | the world may never know :( |
| 07:53.21 | Stanzilla | Fisker: ever heard of the tab width setting? |
| 07:53.26 | Stanzilla | mine are 4 |
| 07:53.32 | Fisker | Yeah what about it? |
| 07:53.51 | Fisker | set it to two then? |
| 07:53.56 | Stanzilla | why would I |
| 07:53.58 | Stanzilla | I like 4 |
| 07:54.39 | Fisker | But you don't use tabs |
| 07:55.05 | Stanzilla | I use the tab button! |
| 07:55.29 | Fisker | Yeah |
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| 08:44.44 | LexSfX | 4 is nice |
| 08:45.35 | LexSfX | 8 is ridiculous and 2 is hipster (looks "hip", but isn't ideal for readability) |
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| 09:25.52 | Dagmar | Two-space tabs are older than most hipsters |
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| 09:34.43 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/Ftb8VfL |
| 10:03.47 | karl_w_w | most things are older than most hipsters |
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| 11:40.01 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/HeM9Bvg |
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| 12:16.18 | VIad | of course, do have server issues in the middle of my celestial tournament... |
| 12:36.35 | zenzelezz | Train Simulator 2016: "Release date: 12 Jul, 2009". I get the feeling this game has simply had its name updated on Steam during its lifetime |
| 12:43.17 | VIad | :p lol |
| 12:54.09 | zenzelezz | h |
| 12:54.20 | karl_w_w | i |
| 12:54.24 | zenzelezz | hm... both of my PCs have DVD-ROMs, none of devices are connected |
| 12:54.32 | zenzelezz | laptop is at work |
| 12:55.24 | VIad | love boosting http://ss.bool.no/capture_1442667314.png |
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| 13:22.29 | zenzelezz | "See also: Video games notable for negative reception". You know your game was good when that's part of the "see also" section |
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| 14:55.30 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.22 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 14:58.27 | foxlit | I wanted a webpage that you could paste WA import strings into to have it display bundled Lua code. |
| 14:59.12 | zenzelezz | WA? |
| 15:00.02 | foxlit | weekauras. |
| 15:00.33 | Fisker | Hey foxlit |
| 15:00.39 | foxlit | hey Fisker |
| 15:01.58 | Fisker | Hey |
| 15:12.28 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: I hear Stanzilla has been working on something at least vaguely similar to that for a while |
| 15:35.09 | zenzelezz | "Scandinavian hospitals lobotomized 2.5 times as many people per capita as hospitals in the US" |
| 15:35.14 | zenzelezz | well, at least we beat them in something |
| 15:36.18 | foxlit | good start, base64 encoding that uses non-standard chars and flips lower and upper case. |
| 15:37.18 | zenzelezz | BASE64 then |
| 15:41.35 | fewyn | the doctor returns tonight |
| 15:42.39 | zenzelezz | from Voyager? |
| 15:45.16 | Gnarfoz | no, from Prometheus |
| 15:49.04 | zenzelezz | man, there are plenty to choose from... http://www.imdb.com/find?q=The%20Doctor&s=ch&exact=true&ref_=fn_al_ch_ex |
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| 17:01.31 | Fisker | That's cute foxlit |
| 17:02.17 | Fisker | Like that one time KMD "encrypted" credentials using base64 and substituting = for another char |
| 17:02.52 | Neffi | ...wat |
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| 17:42.49 | Stanzilla | foxlit: patches welcome :p |
| 17:57.29 | foxlit | Stanzilla: spelling is irrelevant, and you can't really change encoding formats without breaking compatibility, so you're stuck with it. |
| 17:57.54 | Stanzilla | I only now noticed the spelling |
| 18:08.41 | foxlit | honestly, LibCompress overuses bitlib |
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| 18:17.00 | Stanzilla | that code is also probably 6 years old or so |
| 18:23.15 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: fun fact: dev on that website (not that feature) has been picked up again today \o/ |
| 18:45.26 | Stanzilla | foxlit: btw, regarding the frameLevel issue, would you advise for just starting my iterator at frameLevel 0 or just keep it checking for the lowest region and start from there? |
| 18:49.16 | Stanzilla | pro: more space before we reach the 100 cap; con: could break stuff that was already properly levelled before |
| 18:50.39 | foxlit | I don't have any compelling arguments for one or the other. |
| 18:51.12 | mckenziemc | levels Stanzilla's home. |
| 18:51.13 | foxlit | try both, see if you encounter any problems. |
| 18:51.14 | mckenziemc | problem solved! |
| 18:51.33 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 19:07.34 | foxlit | I should find a dialect of javascript where multiple assignment syntax matches lua's |
| 19:12.44 | foxlit | also, c-style binary strings would be nice, instead of this ucs2 silliness. |
| 19:18.30 | Semlar | do you need to escape magic characters inside of a character set, like [.] |
| 19:18.45 | foxlit | everything except ]- is literal. |
| 19:19.04 | foxlit | ]%- |
| 19:19.09 | zenzelezz | isn't - literal if it's the last character? |
| 19:19.10 | Semlar | if you start with a - it should ignore it though right |
| 19:19.12 | zenzelezz | but not otherwise |
| 19:19.27 | foxlit | read the manual. |
| 19:19.31 | Semlar | NO |
| 19:19.31 | foxlit | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#5.4.1 |
| 19:19.45 | Semlar | i can't read :( |
| 19:22.56 | foxlit | zenzelezz: "last" would be ambiguous in that case. |
| 19:23.20 | foxlit | it might be last, and then the ] closes the set, or it might be specifying a set ending at ] |
| 19:23.31 | foxlit | in which case it's not last. |
| 19:25.13 | zenzelezz | I'm not sure what you mean by that |
| 19:26.26 | zenzelezz | is this another difference between lua patterns and "normal" regexes? |
| 19:35.01 | Shirik | this is fun |
| 19:35.08 | Shirik | (RTTNews.com) - The Coca-Cola Company ( KO ) said, on September 17, it received a Statutory Notice of Deficiency from the Internal Revenue Service, or IRS, for the tax years 2007 ââ¬" 2009. The IRS claims that the company's U.S. taxable income should be increased by an amount that creates a potential additional federal income tax liability of approximately $3.3 billion for the period, plus interest. No penalties |
| 19:35.08 | Shirik | were asserted. |
| 19:36.58 | Fisker | Hey foxlit |
| 19:37.42 | Semlar | foxlit: \0 inside of a character class with the frontier pattern seems to let you match the start and end of the text |
| 19:41.19 | Fisker | Hey Shirik |
| 19:41.29 | Fisker | Know mssql? |
| 19:41.43 | Shirik | Semlar: why wouldn't you use a boundary pattern? |
| 19:42.23 | Shirik | nm getting languages confused |
| 19:42.24 | Shirik | I'll go away now |
| 19:42.28 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 19:42.30 | Shirik | I do, sadly |
| 19:42.44 | Shirik | been using it for years and still can't remember how to list all tables |
| 19:43.15 | Fisker | Select name from sys.tables? |
| 19:43.18 | Fisker | * |
| 19:43.21 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:43.21 | Fisker | :P |
| 19:43.24 | Shirik | but I have to google it every time |
| 19:44.03 | zenzelezz | granted it's probably not SQL, I do like having SHOW TABLES |
| 19:47.13 | Fisker | Do you know if the technology exists to have databases that are descendant from a fixed database Shirik ? |
| 19:48.07 | Shirik | I know that mssql makes me cry every time for usability, but it's also pretty solid :( |
| 19:48.42 | Shirik | I'm not sure what a "descendant database" would be |
| 19:50.22 | zenzelezz | I like when I have to remember why it's DATETIME2 and not DATETIME |
| 19:51.28 | Semlar | %f[^\0%s\'\"\\/#%%()*+,.:;<>=%[%]{|}~]([_%a][_%w]+)%f[\0%s\'\"\\/#%%()*+,.:;<>=%[%]{|}~] perfect |
| 19:51.44 | mckenziemc | wat |
| 19:51.50 | Shirik | wtf are you trying to do |
| 19:51.56 | Fisker | So you could have many similar databases inheriting one database but still be separate databases Shirik |
| 19:51.58 | Semlar | i don't remember |
| 19:53.04 | Shirik | Fisker: why wouldn't they all be the same database with a relationship you can use to filter them apart? |
| 19:53.19 | Fisker | Huh? |
| 19:53.37 | Shirik | there seems to be a missing relationship in your problem |
| 19:53.56 | Shirik | why separate the databases if they're related? |
| 19:56.44 | zenzelezz | because fuck you, that's why |
| 19:56.47 | zenzelezz | wait, that's the wrong one |
| 19:56.50 | zenzelezz | beacuse I can! |
| 19:57.47 | Fisker | Because they're going to serve no practical purpose Shirik |
| 19:57.57 | Fisker | So there's no point in wasting disk space |
| 20:01.16 | Gnarfoz | how can I have ended up with path names too long for Windows to operate on? |
| 20:01.32 | Gnarfoz | shouldn't this have failed on creation already, not when I try to copy it now? |
| 20:01.54 | nevcairiel | not necessarily |
| 20:02.01 | nevcairiel | the file system supports them |
| 20:02.09 | nevcairiel | and depending on what kind of API you use, you can create and manage them |
| 20:02.34 | Gnarfoz | know of a file manager that uses an API like that? ^^ |
| 20:02.37 | nevcairiel | but most applications use the limited APIs, thats really why explorere wont let you create them, to protect you from yourself |
| 20:02.59 | nevcairiel | you can cheat it as well and map a subfolder as a drive |
| 20:03.04 | nevcairiel | then windows wont know any better |
| 20:03.20 | Gnarfoz | subst? |
| 20:03.23 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 20:03.24 | Gnarfoz | I guess |
| 20:03.42 | Gnarfoz | Explorer doesn't even try and pass the file to a program when I double-click it, heh |
| 20:03.53 | Gnarfoz | but I'm sure I've watched that file before! :( |
| 20:04.09 | nevcairiel | its kinda silly that microsoft still enforces the limits, but what can you do |
| 20:04.55 | Amarande | nevcairiel: I wouldn't be surprised if Gnarfoz has a drive that's shared between windows and linux :) |
| 20:05.09 | Amarande | (he has me on ignore, so he won't hear me say this heh) |
| 20:05.23 | Gnarfoz | it's also silly that they can be defeated by something as old as subst |
| 20:05.24 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:06.03 | Amarande | that's probably the biggest hiccup with path names too long |
| 20:06.25 | Gnarfoz | subst stronk http://i.imgur.com/ETc70ht.png |
| 20:06.32 | Amarande | the rule for linux is explicitly that each file or directory name in the path has a separate limit of 255 characters |
| 20:06.38 | Amarande | whereas for windows the *whole path* has to fit in 255 |
| 20:06.50 | Amarande | this regardless of fs type, too |
| 20:07.30 | Gnarfoz | I guess for the next batch of drives I'll go with subst from the beginning |
| 20:07.57 | Gnarfoz | oh I know how I ended up with this, derp |
| 20:08.01 | Gnarfoz | of course ;D |
| 20:08.05 | nevcairiel | Windows absolute path length limit is 32.767 characters, with 255 characters per component, *however* only if you use the appopriate path syntax and APIs |
| 20:08.06 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: there's also multiple ways to supply a path |
| 20:08.23 | nevcairiel | ie. you need to use the unicode APIs and the \\?\ syntax |
| 20:08.28 | Shirik | for example instead of drive letters you could do \\.\device |
| 20:08.53 | nevcairiel | something like this also works: \\?\D:\longpathhere |
| 20:09.01 | nevcairiel | but the app in question needs to actually use that syntax |
| 20:09.14 | Gnarfoz | I'm using StableBit Drive Pool, which does what you would think, and it stores the stuff accessed through the pool in a pool-specific folder on each volume |
| 20:09.37 | nevcairiel | FlexRAID just stores it in the root, so no extra path length, i guess |
| 20:09.39 | Gnarfoz | that volume is a) what is making the paths a bit more huge than they need to be and b) isn't visible when accessing stuff through the virtual pool drive |
| 20:09.43 | Shirik | my favorite is Microsoft's workaround for serial devices above COM9 |
| 20:09.50 | Shirik | you have to open file \\.\COM10 |
| 20:09.52 | Shirik | etc. |
| 20:10.08 | Shirik | because apparently if you just write COMX it expects only one digit |
| 20:10.08 | Gnarfoz | how do you open <COM10? |
| 20:10.14 | Shirik | just COM1, or whatever |
| 20:10.17 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 20:10.17 | nevcairiel | unfortunately I don't think the \\?\ workaround works with explorer as such |
| 20:10.24 | Gnarfoz | right, like NUL and such, they're reserved words |
| 20:10.32 | nevcairiel | having a file called NUL can be fun |
| 20:11.01 | Gnarfoz | wasn't something related to that one of the easy ways to (remotely?) crash a win9x system? |
| 20:11.11 | Gnarfoz | using reserved names for... something |
| 20:11.26 | nevcairiel | dont remember |
| 20:11.31 | nevcairiel | 9x is so long ago |
| 20:12.00 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 20:12.34 | kd3 | con/con |
| 20:13.09 | Gnarfoz | ah, yes |
| 20:14.24 | zenzelezz | you're not trying hard enough if you're not squeezing some kind of newline or non-breaking space in there |
| 20:15.59 | foxlit | so ace3 serializer might have a problem since infinity serialization may differ across platforms. |
| 20:16.15 | foxlit | then again, nobody uses that to serialize infinities, right? |
| 20:16.21 | nevcairiel | i thought blizzard fixed that |
| 20:17.45 | nevcairiel | (ps: not like anyone cares about mac users) |
| 20:20.07 | Shirik | how different are they? |
| 20:20.37 | nevcairiel | its 1.#INF on windows, tell me what the others are and i'll let you know =p |
| 20:20.47 | foxlit | in ~900MB |
| 20:21.30 | zenzelezz | I was somewhat annoyed with my Mac when it decided that "dude, my tar doesn't understand zip" |
| 20:21.49 | nevcairiel | i could just hardcode the windows variant in the library, which wouldnt need a change in the comm protocol, and magically fix mac users |
| 20:22.07 | nevcairiel | not like I ever heard them complain |
| 20:22.46 | zenzelezz | wait, that was the wrong one... but whatever it was it had some disagreement with the linux version |
| 20:23.37 | zenzelezz | might have been the other way around |
| 20:24.38 | Shirik | nevcairiel: you need more Microsoft in your life |
| 20:24.42 | Shirik | that would break backwards compatibility |
| 20:25.08 | Shirik | obviously the correct answer is to make a SerializeEx function which guarantees portability |
| 20:25.25 | nevcairiel | which would also break backwards compat, as I would need to adjust the serialized format |
| 20:25.42 | nevcairiel | my way at least keeps it working with 99% of all users (ie. windows users) and would fix mac users |
| 20:25.46 | nevcairiel | if they are actually different |
| 20:26.07 | Shirik | I suspect all you actually need to do is change the deserialization |
| 20:26.24 | Shirik | who cares if they're always encoded the same way so long as they always decode correctly? |
| 20:26.30 | nevcairiel | i could do that too, make it handle both versions on both sides |
| 20:26.36 | foxlit | nevcairiel: "inf" |
| 20:26.37 | nevcairiel | but that seems ugly as well :D |
| 20:27.03 | nevcairiel | in the same step, should just make it send a consistent format for all platforms |
| 20:27.17 | foxlit | tostring(0/0) == "nan", btw. |
| 20:27.43 | nevcairiel | 0/0 was broken in some wow client, ever since then, AceSerializer doesnt support sending NaN anymore |
| 20:29.15 | foxlit | the windows client is a little insane around nans |
| 20:30.39 | foxlit | (I think test builds throw lua errors on floating point exceptions, including 0/0.) |
| 20:39.48 | nevcairiel | yeah thats probably why we removed it |
| 20:39.52 | nevcairiel | too f'ing annoying |
| 20:45.01 | Amarande | yeah, mathematically 0/0 is apparently even more bizarre than dividing by zero itself |
| 20:45.42 | Amarande | mind you, the *real* brain bender: 0 * infinity |
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| 21:11.54 | Shirik | I wrote some code once that intentionally crashes by dividing 0 by 0 |
| 21:12.23 | zenzelezz | back when you were in high school and a 1337 h4xx0r, right? |
| 21:12.29 | Shirik | nope |
| 21:12.54 | Shirik | safety-critical process where I needed to generate a relatively-safe processor exception in the case where a fault handler is obviously not working properly |
| 21:13.32 | Shirik | there aren't any real potential unexpected results of dividing 0 by 0, whereas doing something like derefrencing null is theoretically legal |
| 21:14.57 | Semlar | divides shirik by zenzelezz |
| 21:16.15 | karl_w_w | http://mashable.com/2015/09/18/late-delivery-australia/ |
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| 21:25.11 | Dagmar | Shirik: The 6502 could derefernce null. :) |
| 21:25.19 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 21:25.51 | Dagmar | ...or at least something that was pretty close to that |
| 21:26.01 | Dagmar | (one of the undocumented opcodes) |
| 21:26.11 | foxlit | Stanzilla: so I have this table structure, http://pastebin.com/shXE5vR3 , where should I be looking for lua code? |
| 21:26.44 | Shirik | Dagmar: My favorite defect in that area is in the original xbox security system |
| 21:27.06 | Dagmar | I bought an xbox once |
| 21:27.19 | Dagmar | THen I sobered up and returned it to the store the next day |
| 21:27.27 | Dagmar | (not even kidding actually) |
| 21:27.45 | Gnarfoz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCDIuZUfETc what are they going to build next? |
| 21:27.50 | Shirik | AMD processors halted when the instruction pointer went from 0xFFFFFFFF rolling over to 0x0 |
| 21:28.07 | Shirik | and they relied on this, by putting the failure code up at 0xFFFFFFFF and then expecting it to halt |
| 21:28.24 | Shirik | Well late in the development cycle they switched to an Intel processor, and nobody bothered to check that this still worked |
| 21:28.35 | Shirik | and it didn't because for backwards compatibility, Intel processors roll over just fine |
| 21:29.11 | Shirik | I shouldn't say 0xFFFFFFFF but rather "the end of memory" wherever that is |
| 21:29.17 | Shirik | it just wraps around |
| 21:29.31 | Dagmar | I'm surprised it even allowed that to happen |
| 21:30.19 | Shirik | it had something to do with the fact that ancient programs used this functionality extensively as an optimization technique |
| 21:31.07 | nevcairiel | that sounds as evil as using the highest bit of memory pointers for a flag of some sort and thus requiring explicit flags on windows to make the OS use it for the actual address |
| 21:31.14 | Amarande | yeah, back in the days when resources were a lot more limited a lot of fairly bizarre voodoo was resorted to |
| 21:31.55 | Amarande | like back in the Commodore 64 days even self-modifying code was regarded as kosher in certain circumstances because if that's what it took to make it fit in 64K address space on a system where loading data from disk was ludicrously slow, then by gum, that's what it took |
| 21:37.08 | kd3 | oh wow. lost vikings in this heroes match about to happen |
| 21:37.10 | Dagmar | There was a lot of really kinky stuff you just had to do to acoomplish anything complex on that platform |
| 21:38.00 | Shirik | the xbox was like an amazing history lesson into all of the things people used to do to make programs work, and how complicated they make computers today due to backwards compatibility |
| 21:38.10 | Shirik | they also had a security defect because of the A20 gate |
| 21:41.03 | Amarande | yeah, we really needed open source to gain more traction |
| 21:41.28 | Amarande | mainly speaking in the manner that backwards compatibility is orders of magnitude less important on open source systems |
| 21:41.46 | Amarande | because if your existing binary breaks you just recompile |
| 21:48.23 | Shirik | found the paper on it https://i.gyazo.com/691346f822883370380b0c7e1726b275.png |
| 21:48.27 | Shirik | it's a fun little story |
| 21:51.19 | nevcairiel | 1970's stuff is a bit weird though, considering x86 was only introduced in 1978, and probably not very popular right off the bat |
| 21:55.03 | Shirik | sure but presumably they were working on it years before that |
| 21:55.14 | Shirik | and were contacting vendors for requirements elicitation |
| 21:55.53 | Gnarfoz | pfff, they were just doing whatever the fuck, who talks to other people?! :p |
| 21:55.55 | Shirik | I'm kinda confused why you wouldn't just respond to that saying "just put a JMP 0x0 at the top" but whatever |
| 21:56.45 | zenzelezz | responding to anything by saying "just X" is usually a recipe for a bigger disaster |
| 21:57.12 | Shirik | though I guess if you have a NOP sled there you actually can completely eliminate the chip |
| 21:57.17 | Shirik | which would make for a reasonable cost savings |
| 21:57.21 | nevcairiel | there probbably was a reason not to do that, i dont know enough about the limitations of addressing in 16-bit 8086 chips |
| 21:58.36 | zenzelezz | I suppose it's not entirely related, but I quite enjoyed Raymond Chen's week of focus on the Itanium instruction set not long ago. More interesting CPU than I had imagined |
| 21:59.07 | kd3 | geez, a 10-kill lead? |
| 21:59.30 | nevcairiel | (noone even knows what kd3 is on about) |
| 21:59.40 | kd3 | watching heroes |
| 21:59.53 | zenzelezz | some competition going? |
| 22:00.13 | kd3 | road to blizzcon stuff |
| 22:00.19 | kd3 | http://twitch.tv/blizzheroes |
| 22:00.22 | nevcairiel | with a bit of luck you can compensate that in heroes |
| 22:00.41 | nevcairiel | but watching other people play is not my type of saturday evening entertainment |
| 22:01.10 | Gnarfoz | IRCing is! |
| 22:01.18 | nevcairiel | indeed! |
| 22:01.33 | nevcairiel | watched the doctor earlier tho |
| 22:01.59 | zenzelezz | from Voyager? |
| 22:02.09 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 22:02.16 | Gnarfoz | from Prometheus, we've been over this |
| 22:02.39 | Gnarfoz | "Can't read from the source file or disk" :( I watched that YESTERDAY |
| 22:02.50 | nevcairiel | prometheus had a doctor? |
| 22:02.59 | Gnarfoz | sure, EMH Mark 2! |
| 22:03.05 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:03.29 | nevcairiel | oh that one |
| 22:03.31 | nevcairiel | the coward |
| 22:03.59 | Gnarfoz | we've been boarded, deactivate! |
| 22:07.54 | Amarande | can't read from the source file or disk? did you buy one of those shitty disposable rental DVDs that disintegrate after a day? :| |
| 22:08.05 | Gnarfoz | more things Explorer doesn't like: files starting with spaces |
| 22:08.15 | Gnarfoz | file names, that is |
| 22:08.20 | nevcairiel | why do you have such things |
| 22:08.35 | Shirik | so proud of you Gnarfoz |
| 22:08.40 | Shirik | do you too love Voyager? |
| 22:08.47 | Gnarfoz | doesn't everyone? |
| 22:08.53 | nevcairiel | it should be able to handle those though, it just wont let you create them |
| 22:08.56 | Shirik | no, there are infidels out there |
| 22:09.10 | Amarande | yeah, what we're seeing in this conversation is that Windows Explorer is even worse than a Ford Explorer |
| 22:09.12 | Amarande | :( |
| 22:09.15 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I need to rename it because Explorer "fixed" it when I copied the files |
| 22:09.17 | nevcairiel | I like about 50% of voyager, there are so many weird filler episodes |
| 22:09.35 | Gnarfoz | and I have them because jleclanche probably hit space unintentionally once |
| 22:09.45 | Amarande | I never actually got around to getting into Voyager, alas |
| 22:10.16 | Amarande | I was a TNG kid, but then B5 > DS9 by a longshot so I ended up steadily forgetting to watch Star Trek |
| 22:10.27 | jleclanche | what did i do |
| 22:10.30 | Amarande | and then by the time B5 ended I really wasn't watching TV all that much at all anymore |
| 22:10.33 | nevcairiel | use spaces! |
| 22:10.45 | jleclanche | wheere |
| 22:10.57 | nevcairiel | idk |
| 22:11.01 | Gnarfoz | "owdb/source/wdbearmanager_1.2.0-W1.12_SOURCE/development/wdbear-config/1.11/ itemtextcache.xml" |
| 22:11.26 | jleclanche | these arent mine |
| 22:11.40 | nevcairiel | wtf is a wd bear |
| 22:11.49 | Gnarfoz | well, then I don't know who to blame |
| 22:12.18 | Gnarfoz | I'd need to install a subversion client to look at it :D |
| 22:12.22 | nevcairiel | that seems like some extremely old tool you have there |
| 22:12.27 | Gnarfoz | it is |
| 22:13.18 | nevcairiel | just get rid of it :D |
| 22:14.17 | Gnarfoz | can't in the middle of migration |
| 22:14.34 | Gnarfoz | or rather, "I don't want to deal with that right now" |
| 22:14.55 | Gnarfoz | 2x ren x " x" is not that hard for now |
| 22:16.35 | nevcairiel | sounds like you are having lots of fun |
| 22:25.47 | Gnarfoz | going pretty smooth so far, apart from the long pathname surprise |
| 22:28.13 | Gnarfoz | and I misremembered which of the drives were having trouble, turns out it's actually a 3TB and a 2TB, not two 2TB like I thought |
| 22:29.19 | nevcairiel | one of my discs started showing some early warning signs, but the counters didnt change again afterwards, so i let it sit for now |
| 22:30.22 | mckenziemc | i could send you a 40GB disk with 42 bad sectors |
| 22:31.39 | mckenziemc | it gained one when i zeroed the disk |
| 22:32.23 | nevcairiel | i do a full crc scan against the parity data once a month, and so far everything is fine and the numbers stable .. when I buy the next badge of discs I might replace it |
| 22:35.29 | Stanzilla | foxlit: in trigger => custom |
| 22:36.34 | foxlit | what about things like customName, customIcon, etc? |
| 22:36.43 | foxlit | .alphaFunc? |
| 22:41.43 | Gnarfoz | mckenziemc: of course, when else would it? they only get reallocated when written to =) |
| 22:42.24 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: E_WRONG_HOMOPHONE |
| 22:43.10 | nevcairiel | its late and i'm tired, leave me alone! |
| 22:43.24 | nevcairiel | (i should've used leaf) |
| 22:43.35 | Gnarfoz | you should of |
| 22:43.49 | mckenziemc | Gnarfoz: point being it's failing quickly :D |
| 22:43.49 | nevcairiel | i considered doing that just now, but that just gives me stomach cramps |
| 22:43.58 | Torhal | stabs Gnarfoz with proper spelling. |
| 22:44.03 | Gnarfoz | indeed, I felt bad doing that :p |
| 22:44.37 | Gnarfoz | mckenziemc: really? that doesn't follow unless you zeroed it an hour ago and it had one less then :| |
| 22:45.23 | Amarande | guesses Gnarfoz's 3TB drive is a Seagate |
| 22:46.09 | mckenziemc | it has not been used since the zeroing and it had 41 at the start |
| 22:47.15 | mckenziemc | i was going to try Windows 10 on it but the install disk doesn't seem to like that computer... |
| 22:48.55 | Gnarfoz | what attribute are you even looking at? "reallocated sectors" shouldn't change unless you try and write to the bad block |
| 22:50.43 | Stanzilla | foxlit: should all be in name => custom etc, iirc |
| 22:50.46 | Stanzilla | not sure though |
| 22:50.52 | Stanzilla | what are you trying to do? |
| 22:52.12 | mckenziemc | i think you've distracted yourself with a red herring... 41 was a high amount of bad sectors, the 42 may have already been bad but the previous temporary installation had already filled up most of the disk space |
| 22:52.21 | mckenziemc | 42nd* |
| 22:53.46 | mckenziemc | and i had mentioned the drive having 41 errors ago, it was a facetious update :p |
| 22:53.57 | mckenziemc | errors some time ago* >.> |
| 22:54.12 | nevcairiel | most drives have like 1000 or more spare sectors, so its not necessarily bad, unless it keeps steadily increasing |
| 22:54.45 | nevcairiel | although such a small drive probably has some more |
| 22:54.50 | nevcairiel | eh, less |
| 22:54.53 | nevcairiel | is what i was trying to say |
| 22:54.53 | nevcairiel | :P |
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| 23:04.33 | Shirik | I just water cooled my computer by spilling water all over it |
| 23:04.37 | Shirik | somehow it is still operational |
| 23:04.40 | Shirik | going to patent the idea |
| 23:04.48 | mckenziemc | ~failrik |
| 23:04.48 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 23:05.51 | mckenziemc | so looking through my old photos recently, i happened upon some i took of a spider i saved because it almost but not quite looked like a black widow |
| 23:05.57 | mckenziemc | apparently it was a male :< |
| 23:06.04 | foxlit | Stanzilla: something like this: https://www.townlong-yak.com/waco/#demo |
| 23:06.28 | Stanzilla | oh that is neat |
| 23:07.33 | Stanzilla | I think pawket's druid auras have custom everytzhing |
| 23:07.54 | nevcairiel | some of those seems rather excessive, could've probably done with half of the code only |
| 23:08.20 | Stanzilla | http://www.fluiddruid.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5034 |
| 23:08.28 | Stanzilla | that is probably a good one for testing |
| 23:14.09 | foxlit | I wonder if pastebin has an API |
| 23:14.33 | nevcairiel | http://pastebin.com/api ? |
| 23:14.33 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 23:15.15 | Amarande | probably depends which pastebin you want to use |
| 23:15.30 | Amarande | .com seems to be the most popular, .ca seems to be recommended by a lot of savvy folk |
| 23:15.43 | foxlit | ideally paste contents in JSON with CORS headers. |
| 23:16.05 | Gnarfoz | one of the thousands of paste services probably does that |
| 23:17.57 | foxlit | doesn't look like it's this one. |
| 23:25.00 | foxlit | Stanzilla: seems to work, but then again, I don't know what I'm looking at. |
| 23:25.52 | Stanzilla | spaghetti code! |
| 23:26.37 | foxlit | in theory, LibCompress can also do "LZW", which this doesn't parse, but I haven't seen that actually used in my n=2 sample. |
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