| 00:00.52 | kd3 | another angle of the explosion from last night: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0e5_1439474009&use_old_player=0 |
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| 00:04.38 | pompy | kd3: you see the sync? https://youtu.be/dgurTdK0PTA |
| 00:05.12 | kd3 | ! |
| 00:08.30 | Gnarfoz | the worst thing is that they're all vertical videos |
| 00:09.07 | mckenziemc | ... |
| 00:09.28 | mckenziemc | crops Gnarfoz. |
| 00:11.34 | pompy | Gnarfoz: indeed |
| 00:12.00 | pompy | same with the NJ one. They will never learn! |
| 00:12.49 | Gnarfoz | frantically panning left and right to capture it all... argh |
| 00:16.09 | kd3 | still, that they even had the presence of mind to reach for their camera phones. so many people would do the deer in headlights thing |
| 00:16.32 | kd3 | "camera phones", wow. am I in the early 2000s again? |
| 00:17.06 | Amarande | kd3: I think it's coming up again because a number of recent android phones are coming out with especially juicy megapixel cameras |
| 00:17.17 | Neffiphone | get off the digital computing machine. I want to use the phone line |
| 00:17.27 | pompy | btw, anyone attending blizzcon or plan on attending and still looking for tickets, 27 hours left to finalize everything http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/forum/topic/18300738927#1 |
| 00:17.52 | Amarande | like the ZTE nubia 5S mini and the Huawei P8 Lite with 13MP |
| 00:18.10 | Amarande | I've been eyeing http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875606057 as my next phone eventually (when I can get it into the budget basically) |
| 00:18.42 | mckenziemc | i think you missed the point Amarande... again. |
| 00:24.20 | Gnarfoz | kd3: most of the videos start with fire already on the horizon, so I don't think anyone caught the initial explosion - so mostly luck, I guess |
| 00:31.34 | mckenziemc | Create Boot |
| 00:31.37 | mckenziemc | only one? :( |
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| 00:49.18 | harl | one boot per foot |
| 00:49.41 | Ressy | heh.. Looks like today's alpha update for Curse Client is one I reported.. :D |
| 00:52.34 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: Here's one that caught the initial blast... dash cam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfXmG3GdAig |
| 00:58.12 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: yup, I saw that while browsing around |
| 00:58.20 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: it's not vertical, either, phew! |
| 00:58.31 | Torhal | Hehehe |
| 00:59.47 | Gnarfoz | that'd be a bit much, vertical dashcams |
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| 01:00.56 | Torhal | "Thankfully, I installed my dashcam vertically - you can really see how high the guy flew." |
| 01:05.56 | mckenziemc | Gnarfoz, the last one is the only one that has any appreciable suggestion of being a vertical source |
| 01:06.18 | mckenziemc | they *all* could've been cropped with a fixed window to be combined in the sync |
| 01:06.54 | mckenziemc | the person combining them could've just not bothered to remove the cropping on rest of the last source video |
| 01:07.15 | Torhal | crops mckenziemc to get him to move faster. |
| 01:07.33 | mckenziemc | for the Tianjin sync video, idk about the turnpike videos |
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| 01:21.18 | Dagmar | I just tell people that there's only one reason to shoot vertically, and they're either the wrong gender for it or the social network won't allow those types of videos to be posted publicly |
| 01:21.32 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 01:22.07 | Dagmar | Make people uncomfortable and they'll remember. ;) |
| 01:25.16 | mckenziemc | where can i find an up-to-date table on the level ranges and materials produced for disenchanting |
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| 02:00.06 | Amarande | mckenziemc, install Auctioneer, the tooltip enhancements take care of all that |
| 02:01.02 | Amarande | I'm not sure exactly which part does it, but it'll both indicate in enchant mat tooltips what ilvls you need to DE to get them, and in item tooltips what you'll get from DE (with an estimate of the odds) |
| 02:01.17 | mckenziemc | they're inaccurate for WoD |
| 02:01.29 | Amarande | huh, that's odd |
| 02:01.36 | Amarande | I guess I never found that out since I never got past level 84 since WoD |
| 02:01.56 | mckenziemc | Enchantrix's EnxConstants.lua:584: -- WoD - TODO - ccox - need more data |
| 02:02.26 | mckenziemc | actually i suppose i should check the dev version |
| 02:04.10 | Amarande | and hmm what did I take on Niamhsolais anyway |
| 02:04.13 | Amarande | oh, right, mining and BS |
| 02:04.29 | Amarande | heh, and had actually been leveling my professions the traditional way |
| 02:05.08 | Amarande | not too bad for the metalworking ones really ... the rich thorium bug is made up for by the no minimum skill rule in 6.x |
| 02:06.48 | Amarande | although if I ever get back into wow there's at least one prof I'd definitely take advantage of garrisons to help level ... namely LW |
| 02:11.21 | Amarande | but that's just because LW is sadistic evil these days :p |
| 02:22.10 | Simca | <mckenziemc> Enchantrix's EnxConstants.lua:584: -- WoD - TODO - ccox - need more data |
| 02:22.28 | Simca | an unfortunate misunderstanding on the dev's part there |
| 02:22.42 | Simca | everything you need is in the dbc file for Enchanting loot |
| 02:22.51 | ccox | hmm, yeah, I need to update that now that Blizz has changed the looting tables a few times... |
| 02:23.36 | ccox | They were accurate in beta and when WoD first came out, then Blizz changed the tables, and changed them again. |
| 02:24.18 | Simca | yeah i can see a issue in that enchanters and non-enchanters have different results now |
| 02:24.28 | Simca | some special bonus from enchanting that is unknown |
| 02:24.39 | ccox | yeah, I canât fully account for the non-skilled results |
| 02:24.57 | ccox | partly because they change depending on your skill level |
| 02:25.41 | Simca | also, there is a great bug where if you DE mythic dungeon loot in a loot window, you get dust |
| 02:25.52 | Simca | if you greed it and shard it afterwards you get crystals |
| 02:26.55 | Simca | probably has to do with how the original base item is a blue, but it has a bonusID applied to upgrade it to epic. loot-roll-DE doesn't seem to account for bonusID change |
| 02:26.57 | pompy | http://venturebeat.com/2015/08/12/lenovo-will-lay-off-3200-people-and-slim-down-its-mobile-product-portfolio/ |
| 02:29.08 | Shirik | this comes right after they were found out installing spyware via an anti-spyware system |
| 02:29.10 | Shirik | nice |
| 02:32.45 | pompy | indeed |
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| 02:34.32 | Arrowmaster | one article says they put out a new bios version last month that stops doing it |
| 02:37.11 | Amarande | Shirik: huh. hadn't heard of that one |
| 02:37.13 | pompy | devices shipped in june have the new bios update |
| 02:37.32 | Amarande | I had heard of them not vetting their bloatware rights buyers well enough and ending up including something that made HTTPS vulnerable to MITM |
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| 02:37.44 | Amarande | hadn't heard of deliberate spyware stuff though |
| 02:37.55 | Amarande | unless you count some people's opinions of windows |
| 02:37.55 | Amarande | heh |
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| 03:55.11 | pompy | that ping timeout crashed my client! |
| 04:01.37 | Shirik | you should try ponging |
| 04:01.49 | mckenziemc | ~ping Shirik |
| 04:01.49 | purl | pong Shirik |
| 04:01.55 | Shirik | ~pong mckenziemc |
| 04:01.55 | purl | mckenziemc: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:02.28 | Mihau_ | stabs Erza. |
| 04:03.59 | mckenziemc | so violent D: |
| 04:04.50 | Mihau_ | I setup ZNC, but I can not connect to it. D: |
| 04:10.08 | Fisker | just gonna hey Shirik |
| 04:10.50 | mckenziemc | just gonna impale Fisker |
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| 04:14.32 | Semlar | we have 5 hunters in our raid now neffi |
| 04:15.49 | Shirik | Hey fisker |
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| 04:25.26 | Amarande | "For example, even with no Live tiles pinned to Start (and hence no obvious need to poll for new tile data), Windows 10 seems to download new tile info from MSN's network from time to time, using unencrypted HTTP to do so." |
| 04:25.28 | Amarande | wtf, Microsoft |
| 04:25.44 | Amarande | I thought unencrypted HTTP was supposed to be being deprecated altogether ... *blink* |
| 04:25.50 | Dagmar | Yay! |
| 04:25.59 | Torhal | wraps Amarande in full-body Reynolds Wrap. |
| 04:26.00 | Dagmar | FREE GOATSE FOR EVERYONE! |
| 04:26.26 | Dagmar | I guess it's time to upgrade my Win7 Pro VM to 10 |
| 04:26.44 | Dagmar | ...because _that_ is some shit I *will* abuse for PhreakNIC |
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| 04:27.18 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm still wondering if health and legal prices (which tend to affect the price of like, everything) are likely to increase in the not too distant future thanks to W10 |
| 04:27.39 | Amarande | mainly because it seems pretty clear that in any profession with legislation regulating privacy rights, any W10 that's not Enterprise is a no go |
| 04:27.40 | Dagmar | Oh they'll go up just because the GOP wants to keep throwing a tantrum |
| 04:28.18 | Amarande | ... which would seem to put pressure on small-business doctors and lawyers to merge with larger hospitals and firms so they can get in on the Enterprise buy as a larger group |
| 04:28.19 | Dagmar | Frankly I'm more worried about the cost of Radpaks |
| 04:28.24 | Amarande | ... which decreases competition, and raises prices |
| 04:28.45 | mckenziemc | Amarande, just shut up, now |
| 04:28.53 | Dagmar | Uhm... I don't really see offices like that doing a merger just to get a lower price on a few desktops. |
| 04:29.16 | Dagmar | ~$100 a seat is something that's likely already baked into their budgets. |
| 04:29.16 | purl | Dagmar: okay |
| 04:29.23 | mckenziemc | o.O |
| 04:29.28 | Amarande | Dagmar: what about ones too small in numbers of PCs to be able to buy Enterprise at all without having to buy considerably excess numbers of Windows licences? |
| 04:29.30 | mckenziemc | ~$100 a seat |
| 04:29.30 | purl | hmm... $100 a seat is something that's likely already baked into their budgets. |
| 04:29.52 | Amarande | you have to buy what, at least 5, or is it 10 copies to get enterprise? |
| 04:29.54 | Dagmar | Amarande: You can get Enterprise at freakin 10 seats last I checked. |
| 04:29.54 | mckenziemc | uhm, how about windows 7? |
| 04:30.20 | Amarande | mckenziemc: eventually Office will force people to upgrade, it looks like |
| 04:30.28 | Amarande | since the next version of office won't work on older versions of windows |
| 04:30.44 | Torhal | Holy fucking shit, the tinfoil is strong with this one. "Millions of business are going to go away because of Windows 10." |
| 04:30.51 | Torhal | Reality, motherfucker? Do you exist in it? |
| 04:30.58 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 04:31.28 | Amarande | Torhal: Windows 10 mines various levels of data, according to Ars Technica it's phoning home regularly even *with* all the available options turned off |
| 04:31.32 | Dagmar | Amarande: Dude... Companies keep versions of Office around for _far_ longer than even I care for |
| 04:31.44 | Amarande | the really hard privacy controls are apparently limited to Enterprise and Server (the latter isn't even out yet) editions only |
| 04:32.30 | Torhal | Yes, Amarande. This is known. That doesn't mean businesses are going to go away or merge into a MegaCorp X because they can't afford Enterprise. It does mean that people will hold off on upgrading until Microsoft fixes their shit. |
| 04:32.47 | Torhal | Goddamn Chicken Little up in this bitch. |
| 04:33.17 | Torhal | ~fiskerslap |
| 04:33.18 | purl | ACTION slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker. |
| 04:34.04 | Amarande | Yeah, I suppose realistically what we probably have to be more paranoid about is getting banned from games because we wanted DX12 |
| 04:34.15 | Amarande | (i.e., if some data mining feature in W10 unexpectedly trips cheat detection) |
| 04:35.38 | Fisker | hey Torhal |
| 04:35.39 | Fisker | don't be mean |
| 04:36.06 | Torhal | I can't help it, Fisker - the stock markets are going to completely close down and shit, because Windows 10. |
| 04:36.14 | mckenziemc | confines Fisker and Amarande to the same room for a year. |
| 04:36.19 | Torhal | :O |
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| 04:53.16 | Fisker | is it over Torhal ? |
| 04:53.54 | Torhal | I sure as hell hope so, Fisker. |
| 04:54.06 | Fisker | neo did it |
| 04:54.08 | Fisker | the war is over |
| 04:54.12 | Torhal | !!! |
| 04:54.12 | mckenziemc | still have 364 days to go Fisker |
| 04:54.15 | Fisker | post-war hugs Cairenn |
| 04:54.23 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 04:54.44 | mckenziemc | wonders if Cairenn would return a hug from Amarande. |
| 04:54.50 | Cairenn | Yes |
| 04:55.03 | mckenziemc | :O |
| 04:55.09 | Cairenn | There are only a very few people I wouldn't hug. |
| 04:57.31 | Torhal | I do know that mckenziemc wouldn't download a car. |
| 04:58.42 | Fisker | I'd hugs any Cairenn's |
| 04:59.25 | Neffi | Semlar: needs more hunters |
| 05:00.44 | mckenziemc | any Cairenn's what, Fisker |
| 05:01.40 | mckenziemc | got yourself into a bit of trouble there didn't you |
| 05:01.43 | Torhal | hunters Neffi. |
| 05:01.47 | Fisker | Torhal |
| 05:01.49 | Neffi | demon hunters Torhal |
| 05:01.53 | Torhal | Fisker |
| 05:01.57 | Torhal | Liquid nitrogen? |
| 05:02.04 | Fisker | Nope |
| 05:02.23 | Torhal | Oh, ok. Then perhaps we should encase Neffi in carbonite. |
| 05:02.27 | Fisker | going to work soon :( |
| 05:02.34 | Neffi | :O |
| 05:02.38 | Torhal | Work, work. |
| 05:03.22 | Fisker | Never luckyt |
| 05:03.23 | Fisker | lucky |
| 05:03.42 | Fisker | Can't even upgrade drivers while playing games |
| 05:10.23 | mckenziemc | downgrades Fisker. |
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| 05:15.37 | mckenziemc | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=168448 |
| 05:15.40 | pompy | http://www.vg247.com/2015/08/14/twitch-plays-dark-souls-is-a-glorious-mess/ |
| 05:15.41 | mckenziemc | cries. |
| 05:17.20 | mckenziemc | oh let me correct that |
| 05:17.22 | mckenziemc | crie's |
| 05:30.49 | Shirik | I'm really not sure what they expected pompy lol |
| 05:31.00 | Shirik | Of course I'm still amazed they managed to beat pokemon |
| 05:35.49 | pompy | indeed. |
| 05:36.39 | kd3 | wait, what? they actually lit a bonfire? |
| 05:36.41 | kd3 | wow |
| 05:38.19 | Torhal | I'm just waiting for Twitch Plays "Semlar: Neffi's Piñata" |
| 05:38.40 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 05:38.48 | Torhal | >.> |
| 05:38.52 | pompy | Torhal: you forgot to add mckenziemc in there |
| 05:38.56 | Neffi | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 05:39.05 | Torhal | That's a completely different game, pompy. Sheesh. |
| 05:39.16 | pompy | indeed |
| 05:39.37 | Torhal | That one is actually "mckenziemc Waterboards Neffi" |
| 05:39.45 | Neffi | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 05:39.48 | Torhal | o.O |
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| 05:41.48 | Fisker | just gonan hey Shirik but not Torhal |
| 05:42.04 | Torhal | hey Fisker |
| 05:42.05 | Torhal | Hey? |
| 05:42.08 | Fisker | hey |
| 05:42.12 | Fisker | wait, damnit |
| 05:42.15 | Shirik | Hey fisker |
| 05:42.17 | Neffi | ha! |
| 05:42.30 | Torhal | I was totally expecting a "Nope" there. |
| 05:42.42 | Neffi | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 05:42.45 | Shirik | Fisker got out trolled |
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| 05:42.58 | Fisker | It's pretty easy Shirik |
| 05:43.07 | mckenziemc | or he's actually trolling us |
| 05:43.21 | Torhal | Twitch Plays "Fisker Trolls All" |
| 05:43.27 | Fisker | rude |
| 05:43.33 | Torhal | :/ |
| 05:43.47 | Fisker | sorry bye |
| 05:44.51 | mckenziemc | i'm going to have to send you more spiders soon Torhal |
| 05:44.56 | mckenziemc | they're breeding like.... spiders |
| 05:45.35 | Torhal | I'll send you kittens. They're breeding like...tribbles. |
| 05:45.36 | Torhal | >.> |
| 05:45.37 | Torhal | <.< |
| 05:45.41 | Torhal | Well, they were. |
| 05:48.44 | Neffi | Torhal: they're still breeding? |
| 05:48.48 | Neffi | WHEN WILL IT STOP MAN |
| 05:49.24 | Torhal | Neffi: Nah. They're all fixed except for the original momma and the seven kittens. They're going in really soon, though, before they hit the age where that stuff happens. |
| 05:49.38 | Torhal | They just turned 3 months old/ |
| 05:49.54 | Torhal | So it's about that time. |
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| 05:55.36 | mckenziemc | so how many days could you feed Neffi for, Torhal? |
| 05:55.59 | Neffi | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 05:56.03 | Torhal | I have enough cat food to last him a couple of weeks. |
| 05:56.18 | Neffi | eats it all in one sitting |
| 05:56.55 | mckenziemc | there go all the cats... |
| 05:57.04 | Neffi | eats them too |
| 05:57.14 | mckenziemc | you already did |
| 05:57.18 | Neffi | oh ok |
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| 05:57.35 | Torhal | Great, mckenziemc; now Neffi is died. He's kill. |
| 05:57.59 | Neffi | no i'm ok |
| 05:58.02 | Neffi | why, you ask? |
| 05:58.09 | Torhal | You got better? |
| 05:58.10 | Neffi | because I drink my milk and it makes me strong |
| 05:58.18 | Neffi | milk is so tite |
| 05:58.24 | mckenziemc | oh Torhal |
| 05:58.28 | mckenziemc | i don't know if you noticed |
| 05:58.31 | Torhal | You should blend that with spinach. |
| 05:58.52 | Neffi | spinach is great but not with milk |
| 05:58.59 | Torhal | That Amarande left the channel? Yes, I noticed. |
| 05:59.02 | Neffi | now spinach and garlic, yum |
| 05:59.07 | mckenziemc | bluspacecow linked a wikipedia page that ironically linked back to what you were saying about him and parity :P |
| 05:59.10 | Torhal | Garlic milk, Neffi. So tite. |
| 05:59.17 | Torhal | mckenziemc: Hah |
| 05:59.31 | Neffi | even better, spinach raviolis in oil |
| 05:59.41 | Neffi | make me some food Torhal |
| 05:59.45 | mckenziemc | he linked Parthian Shot, which included a discussion that it was *not* related to "parting shot" |
| 05:59.51 | mckenziemc | which would've made it an eggcorn |
| 06:00.03 | Torhal | chucks Neffi into a wood chipper because there's no meat grinder large enough. |
| 06:00.06 | mckenziemc | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggcorn |
| 06:00.15 | Torhal | Bwah. |
| 06:00.18 | Neffi | i'll take some spinach raviolis in olive oil with parm and garlic and basil, and some green beans, and a bacon cheeseburger, and a glass of milk, and some good wit beer |
| 06:00.48 | Neffi | oh, and some baby corn |
| 06:02.20 | mckenziemc | no Neffi, they haven't hatched yet |
| 06:02.29 | Neffi | oh :( |
| 06:04.11 | Torhal | Ok. That's it. I'm going to bed. I "should of" done so long ago. <-- Here's your parting eggcorn, mckenziemc. Though I suppose it actually isn't since it was intentional. |
| 06:05.43 | mckenziemc | "The new phrase introduces a meaning that is different from the original, but plausible in the same context" |
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| 06:16.28 | Shirik | what a wonderful world we live in |
| 06:16.33 | Shirik | where I can IRC from a plane |
| 06:16.59 | Mihau_ | Considering how slow plane internet tends to be IRC is perfect. |
| 06:17.53 | Shirik | you have never been to the enwiki irc feed |
| 06:18.29 | Mihau_ | For Wikipedia? |
| 06:20.05 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:20.08 | Shirik | oh bye |
| 06:21.59 | mckenziemc | so how does that work |
| 06:22.14 | mckenziemc | terrestrial cells? |
| 06:24.14 | Neffi | magic |
| 06:27.31 | Dagmar | Generally, satlink. |
| 06:28.24 | Shirik | definitely satellite |
| 06:28.31 | Shirik | I can tell by the TWO YEAR LATENCY BETWEEN PACKETS |
| 06:28.59 | mckenziemc | plane provides a connection for you then? |
| 06:29.06 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:29.28 | Shirik | aside from the latency it's actually a good quality connection |
| 06:29.30 | Shirik | round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 635.895/682.553/871.209/51.459 ms |
| 06:29.36 | Shirik | no packet loss across 100 pings |
| 06:29.42 | Dagmar | lol |
| 06:29.50 | Shirik | ^ that was to google |
| 06:30.06 | mckenziemc | hey, you're on par with dialup |
| 06:30.16 | Dagmar | ...and you get a price break from being on a plane. |
| 06:30.38 | Dagmar | Normally, satlink IP costs about as much as a cheap hooker |
| 06:31.19 | mckenziemc | i'm sure the cost of a ticket more than makes up for that Dagmar. |
| 06:31.29 | Dagmar | Yeah that's true |
| 06:38.23 | Mr_Rabies | bnet client gets mad when you update graphics drivers while it's running |
| 06:42.11 | Shirik | I once played Ingress over a satellite link |
| 06:42.21 | Shirik | collectively my team spent about $1000 |
| 06:44.49 | mitch0 | totally worth it |
| 06:46.15 | mckenziemc | what is this i don't even |
| 06:48.58 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:51.45 | mckenziemc | there are more valuable things to do with your time outside! |
| 06:53.04 | Shirik | no |
| 06:53.06 | Shirik | ingress is life |
| 06:53.13 | Shirik | also it's a great way to get some exercise |
| 06:53.46 | mckenziemc | other than... walking for exercise? |
| 06:54.54 | Shirik | mckenziemc: but that's boring |
| 06:54.55 | Dagmar | How many times have you flogged NPCs for valor points, exactly? |
| 06:55.14 | mckenziemc | none, Dagmar |
| 06:55.30 | mckenziemc | also i said time outside |
| 06:55.37 | Dagmar | Very few people in this particular room have the latitude to pooh-pooh something like Ingress. ;) |
| 06:56.32 | Shirik | :P |
| 06:57.08 | Dagmar | The blocks I have walked just to collect more little freakin' sparkles so I could go back and fuck someone's shit up |
| 07:00.59 | mckenziemc | well ok, i suppose it could be considered an improvement over the typical ways people spend their time |
| 07:01.07 | mckenziemc | still says something about the world we live in :X |
| 07:01.35 | Dagmar | It gets you out of the house. ...and you get to meet interesting people. Like the police. |
| 07:02.05 | Dagmar | Every couple of months or so, I encounter a slightly nosy cop. |
| 07:02.15 | Dagmar | I _greatly_ enjoy confusing the hell out of them. |
| 07:06.33 | Shirik | I um |
| 07:06.40 | Shirik | drove on the wrong side of the road once because of Ingress |
| 07:06.52 | Shirik | I wasn't paying enough attention and thought it was a one-way street |
| 07:07.02 | Shirik | cop pulled me over and I'm pretty sure he thought I was drunk |
| 07:07.04 | mckenziemc | so you enjoy interfering with what may not be the purest implementation of a public service but a vital one nontheless, Dagmar? |
| 07:07.04 | Dagmar | The cops assigned to a local park have started calling me 'Spooky' |
| 07:07.06 | Shirik | he just gave me a warning though |
| 07:07.17 | Shirik | (once he realized I wasn't drunk) |
| 07:07.22 | Dagmar | mckenziemc: Dude, if they stop to talk to me, they are clearly bored. |
| 07:07.24 | mckenziemc | not that i would expect anything different from you |
| 07:07.25 | mckenziemc | xD |
| 07:07.49 | Dagmar | I follow all traffic regulations, up to and including signaling and pulling over & taking off. |
| 07:08.09 | Dagmar | I just happen to be in weird places at 2am. ...and then I'll drive 50 yards, and be in another weird place. |
| 07:08.33 | Dagmar | "Are you maybe stealing their wifi?" |
| 07:09.00 | Dagmar | "How would I steal it? Do they even _have_ wifi? *checks wigle app* How about that. They do have wifi." |
| 07:09.01 | Shirik | I do follow all traffic regulations |
| 07:09.04 | Shirik | I just screwed up |
| 07:09.14 | Shirik | I wasn't paying attention |
| 07:10.06 | Dagmar | I mean damn you'd think they'd realize right away that the phone in my hand is kind of serious looking. It definitely has it's own connection. |
| 07:11.34 | Dagmar | Heck, if where I stop has trash lying about, I'll pick it up and chuck it in a bag in the back of my car, even. |
| 07:12.11 | mckenziemc | you could be making nefarious use of their IP address, Dagmar! |
| 07:14.02 | mckenziemc | i have to wonder now how many delivery drivers consider their daily travels a perk now |
| 07:14.32 | mckenziemc | s/perk now/job perk/ |
| 07:15.03 | Shirik | I know some Ingress players that are delivery drivers |
| 07:15.12 | Dagmar | mckenziemc: The funniest part of that is, of _anyone_ within 10 miles, I am the *one* person who would have no problems doing that sort of thing whatsoever. |
| 07:15.16 | Shirik | some of them are long haulers I ask them where they're going |
| 07:15.22 | Dagmar | Hide my IP? Pfft. |
| 07:15.24 | Shirik | cause they show up like every two weeks or so |
| 07:16.09 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 07:16.42 | Shirik | I wonder if freenode would allow me to use a cloak like unaffiliated/127.0.0.1 |
| 07:16.57 | Shirik | something that makes it look like my IP is 127.0.0.1 |
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| 07:21.02 | mckenziemc | so |
| 07:21.16 | mckenziemc | Ingress will clearly be the death of indepenent contractor delivery jobs |
| 07:21.44 | mckenziemc | the decreased productivity and increased insurance costs once the insurance companies find out will surely force all the independent workers to merge |
| 07:22.03 | mckenziemc | into big delivery companies with fleet vehicles that constantly monitor the drivers |
| 07:22.06 | mckenziemc | right? |
| 07:22.37 | Dagmar | One of the nice things about Ingress is that it rewards opportunism. |
| 07:23.14 | mckenziemc | that was an Amarande, Dagmar :< |
| 07:27.29 | mckenziemc | which is now a general noun and a verb |
| 07:28.08 | mckenziemc | Amarandes Torhal. |
| 07:31.20 | Shirik | Shiriks Shirik |
| 07:31.41 | mckenziemc | no Shirik |
| 07:31.51 | Shirik | why not? |
| 07:31.56 | mckenziemc | un-Shiriks Shirk |
| 07:32.00 | mckenziemc | Shirik* |
| 07:32.03 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 07:41.13 | mckenziemc | there's no straightforward way to get AH data out of the wow client other than a saved var right? i'd prefer to be able to process it out of wow so it doesn't fill an SV that has to be moved each logout or make wow take longer to logout from serializing it :( |
| 07:41.28 | mckenziemc | i don't know how to use the web API, if i did, that presumably would be an option |
| 07:41.35 | Dagmar | THey stopped letting people download it in bulk over HTTP" |
| 07:41.38 | Dagmar | ? |
| 07:42.03 | Dagmar | The "web API" as it were, is so simple it barely qualifies as an API |
| 07:42.27 | Dagmar | Basically, the first query lets you know if you should bother downloading the same thing you downloaded 10 minutes ago. |
| 07:42.57 | Dagmar | Expires header are hard or something. I dunno. |
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| 07:57.51 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/citqjta.png it doesn't occur to them that maybe the solution just wasn't on their website? |
| 07:59.39 | nevcairiel | just use the difficult to navigate option |
| 07:59.51 | nevcairiel | maybe it is there and you didnt find it |
| 08:00.01 | mckenziemc | too much information karl_w_w |
| 08:00.04 | mckenziemc | TOO MUCH INFORMATION |
| 08:00.44 | mckenziemc | they clearly need to keep their search engine from returning so much useful information |
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| 09:26.52 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
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| 09:47.57 | nevcairiel | Primer: i may have a lead on the raid member not showing issue .. try checking if PB anywhere unregisters UNIT_NAME_UPDATE (ie. just grep for that), and remove that unregister call, and see if it helps |
| 09:48.01 | nevcairiel | Primer: it does seem to help here |
| 09:48.26 | nevcairiel | its a terribly old fix for an even older problem which isnt even a problem anymore, and it seems it caused new problems now |
| 09:48.57 | nebula169 | it does |
| 09:49.01 | nebula169 | i was looking into that |
| 09:49.02 | nebula169 | yea |
| 09:49.26 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: state of WoW UI 2015, in a nutshell |
| 09:50.17 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: clearly we should re-write all the addons |
| 09:50.32 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: only if we get to replace the base UI, too |
| 09:50.59 | Gnarfoz | certainly, the majority of our troubles come from having to interact/fight/deal with it? ^^ |
| 09:51.12 | Gnarfoz | or it existing, in its privileged state |
| 09:51.33 | nevcairiel | well this particular problem was originally caused by idiot users running addons that swapped their title randomly every minute or so, causing spam raid frame updates |
| 09:51.43 | nevcairiel | so, raid addons unreged the event |
| 09:51.53 | nevcairiel | but blizzard protected the function to swap titles, so no such addons anymore |
| 09:52.03 | Gnarfoz | unit frame addons being bothered by 1evt/min? |
| 09:52.21 | nevcairiel | if it needs to re-do all the secure frames in combat, yeah |
| 09:52.24 | Gnarfoz | don't they deal with stuff that's thousands of times more spammy on a regular basis :D |
| 09:52.36 | nevcairiel | its a full update, which isnt very common otherwise |
| 09:53.08 | nevcairiel | there is only two things that cause a full update, a change in your raid group (leaving, joining, subgroup changes), or title swaps <.< |
| 09:53.13 | Gnarfoz | wish the WoW UI followed Wildstar's philosophy of the base UI using the same stuff user addons are limited to |
| 09:53.26 | Gnarfoz | (but keep the rest of their whacky API away, please) |
| 09:54.05 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure, but subgroup swaps between bosses migh average out to more of those events than 1 user running such an addon at 1 title swap per minute ^^ |
| 09:54.16 | nevcairiel | the point is, in combat |
| 09:54.18 | nevcairiel | not between bosses |
| 09:54.51 | Gnarfoz | oh, well |
| 09:55.02 | nevcairiel | apparently there was a time when these thigns were quite popular and the update spam become a real problem |
| 09:55.09 | nevcairiel | so the majority of raid frames disabled that event |
| 09:55.14 | Gnarfoz | could have just protected it from being run in combat |
| 09:55.21 | nevcairiel | i think they did |
| 09:55.22 | Gnarfoz | (Blizz) |
| 09:55.29 | Gnarfoz | I see |
| 09:56.06 | nevcairiel | anyway, since MoP not having that event can lead to a missing raid frame update, and players missing in the frames xD |
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| 10:15.08 | nebula169 | zoning into a bg would triggers hundreds of UNIT_NAME_UPDATEs and dc people |
| 10:15.48 | nevcairiel | should've done research earlier instead of just accepting that something is broken |
| 10:15.51 | nebula169 | don't think that was related to people swapping titles |
| 10:16.13 | nevcairiel | i suppose there may have been several reasons |
| 10:16.32 | nevcairiel | in any case from all I could find, its no problem anymore |
| 10:18.13 | nevcairiel | several other raid frame addons removed the unreg in mop already without any fallout |
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| 15:39.29 | fewyn | http://www.twitch.tv/twitchplaysdark |
| 15:50.14 | VIad1 | wtf is this shit? timewalking gives me a normal treasure? |
| 15:50.34 | nebula169 | yes? |
| 15:50.42 | nebula169 | the quest does |
| 15:51.26 | VIad1 | gave me heroic last time |
| 15:52.02 | VIad1 | downgraded me to normal |
| 15:52.22 | nebula169 | treasure has always been normal |
| 15:52.41 | VIad1 | I remember heroic last time :p |
| 15:52.44 | nebula169 | for timewalking, think it was heroic for the rep one |
| 15:52.53 | VIad1 | could have been |
| 15:53.03 | VIad1 | wish it just scaled to your content anyway each time |
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| 16:26.48 | nevcairiel | timewalking always gives normal, no matter of your content or w hatever, and the mythic dungeon one gives heroic for everyone |
| 16:33.33 | bluspacecow | lolwat fisker |
| 16:33.36 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 16:33.52 | Fisker | ? |
| 16:33.58 | bluspacecow | so mean |
| 16:35.20 | Stanzilla | they hotfixed it |
| 16:35.29 | Stanzilla | was a heroic chest for the first time when wotlk was up |
| 16:35.47 | nevcairiel | it was no chest at all when it was up first |
| 16:35.52 | nevcairiel | just bonus roll thingy |
| 16:35.55 | Stanzilla | no |
| 16:35.58 | Stanzilla | that was first BC |
| 16:35.59 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 16:36.02 | Stanzilla | I said first WOTLK |
| 16:36.35 | nevcairiel | and this is also BC |
| 16:36.57 | Stanzilla | yes but vlad said he got heroic chest from a timewalking |
| 16:37.00 | Stanzilla | and that is true |
| 16:37.06 | nevcairiel | he is probably just mistaken |
| 16:37.07 | Stanzilla | because it was heroic for the first time wotlk was up |
| 16:37.13 | Stanzilla | no, he is right |
| 16:37.33 | nevcairiel | i accepted the quest right on friday morning for wotlk and it said normal |
| 16:38.09 | Stanzilla | it was bc (only bonus roll) => wotlk (heroic chest) => bc (normal + coin) |
| 16:38.27 | VIad | is that the formula, Stanzilla? |
| 16:38.28 | nevcairiel | last wotlk was a normal chest |
| 16:38.47 | Stanzilla | they hotfixed a lot of shit |
| 16:38.47 | VIad | I read some hotfix to reduce chest to normal at some point, just cant remember what event |
| 16:39.36 | VIad | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=39020/a-burning-path-through-time |
| 16:39.39 | VIad | hotfixes in the logs |
| 16:39.41 | nevcairiel | first bc was roll only, but wotlk was normal + roll, and i somehow doubt they would hotfix the reward after half the players already got it |
| 16:39.49 | VIad | hotfixed 9th july to reward normal chest |
| 16:40.58 | Stanzilla | though we might be confusing it |
| 16:41.02 | Stanzilla | with the mythic dungeon event |
| 16:41.04 | Stanzilla | that gave a heroic chest |
| 16:41.13 | VIad | I am certain I am not |
| 16:41.16 | nevcairiel | i told you, you guys are mistaken |
| 16:41.23 | nevcairiel | the mythic event two weeks ago gave a heroic chest |
| 16:41.27 | nevcairiel | first bc timewalking was coin only |
| 16:41.31 | nevcairiel | first wotlk was coin + normal |
| 16:41.44 | nevcairiel | and all future timewlaking will also be coin+normal |
| 16:42.25 | nevcairiel | there is no documented proof on wowhead that it ever gave a heroic chest, not that I could find anyway |
| 16:43.47 | pompy | http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/ld60098871#general_summary happened 2 hours from me. |
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| 17:49.21 | fewyn | time to go ~timewalking~ |
| 17:49.58 | fewyn | i'm surprised there's no achievement associated with timewalking |
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| 18:21.40 | fewyn | trying to use barrage in TBC timewalking dungeons is difficult |
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| 18:23.59 | kd3 | aggro all the things |
| 18:27.00 | mckenziemc | just don't aggro ama'rande |
| 18:27.21 | Torhal | That isn't hard to do. Just mention Windows 10. |
| 18:27.24 | Torhal | Oh, fuck. |
| 18:27.32 | pompy | oh noes |
| 18:27.33 | fewyn | i like windows 10 |
| 18:27.34 | mckenziemc | kills Torhal. |
| 18:27.38 | pompy | that ' might not be enought |
| 18:27.45 | pompy | -t |
| 18:28.39 | pompy | resurrects Torhal |
| 18:29.08 | mckenziemc | kills pompy. |
| 18:29.13 | Kalroth | I think Windows 10 a perfectly fine OS and I'm happy leaving all the privacy options on default. |
| 18:29.37 | mckenziemc | not sure if troll |
| 18:29.44 | Kalroth | :D |
| 18:29.58 | Kalroth | i'll try to make it a little more obvious next time, sorry |
| 18:30.06 | mckenziemc | xD |
| 18:30.42 | fewyn | i left mine all on |
| 18:30.55 | fewyn | mostly because i've probably already given all the same info to google |
| 18:31.03 | fewyn | and hadn't known it |
| 18:31.06 | fewyn | so /shrug |
| 18:31.47 | mckenziemc | google isn't microsoft though |
| 18:31.58 | fewyn | yeah they are worse now a days |
| 18:32.06 | fewyn | *rimshot* |
| 18:33.48 | Kalroth | two wrongs don't make one right! |
| 18:34.56 | fewyn | you've got remember you got windows 10 for free |
| 18:35.01 | fewyn | when something is free you are the product |
| 18:35.10 | Kalroth | i got my windows 7 for free |
| 18:35.12 | fewyn | you do the same stuff with all of google's services |
| 18:35.22 | mckenziemc | only free if you have a previous copy and claim 10 within a certain window |
| 18:35.37 | fewyn | also if you ran windows insider you got it free free |
| 18:35.38 | mckenziemc | previous copy of windows* |
| 18:39.36 | Torhal | fewyn: Free free as in "You'll get all the bleeding-edge-may-be-completely-fucking-broken" featuers. |
| 18:39.41 | Torhal | features* |
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| 18:44.24 | fewyn | shrug |
| 18:44.26 | fewyn | i liked 8 |
| 18:44.29 | fewyn | i also love 10 |
| 18:44.31 | fewyn | so |
| 18:44.33 | fewyn | yeah |
| 18:45.00 | mckenziemc | you're one of the fewyn |
| 18:46.03 | mckenziemc | i was planning on trying it sometime |
| 18:46.06 | mckenziemc | now i've changed that |
| 18:46.14 | mckenziemc | i'm planning on reading the ToU sometime |
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| 18:55.35 | Amarande | fewyn: yeah the windows insider version is said to be riddled with even more mandatory telemetry than the standard retail edition, because it's intended to be beta software |
| 18:56.12 | Amarande | which is also why this telemetry fiasco got so big, because, well ... the tech previews had it mandatory because they were beta software and the agreement was you let MS monitor how it went on your computer as part of the testing process |
| 18:56.20 | Amarande | *however*, people *expected* that MS would lay off on it at release |
| 18:56.50 | Amarande | Kalroth: I just hope you never take a windows mobile device traveling internationally, though |
| 18:56.53 | fewyn | expect the worse and be pleasently surprised |
| 18:56.54 | fewyn | hth |
| 18:57.02 | Amarande | I'm still wondering if there's going to be a bunch of bankrupt windows users in a month or two |
| 18:57.32 | Amarande | because they traveled internationally, and win10 apparently has had problems with not 100% reliably honouring the "don't do this on metered connection" settings |
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| 18:58.02 | mckenziemc | dammit fewyn |
| 18:58.08 | Amarande | some of the things that have been reported to be sent from it are pretty big, which are not words you like to hear in conjunction with "international roaming charges" (which really aren't generally words you want to hear to begin with, really heh) |
| 18:58.08 | mckenziemc | what did i just tell you not to do |
| 18:58.44 | Amarande | doesn't help that they released this in the summer, when people are most likely to go on vacation, either :| |
| 19:00.16 | fewyn | heh mckenziemc |
| 19:00.42 | fewyn | so i'm watching the new tv show Lucifer |
| 19:00.45 | Amarande | Torhal: yeah, sadly that's becoming a standard with software nowadays :( |
| 19:00.45 | fewyn | i kind of like it |
| 19:00.55 | Amarande | Torhal: as in "release it just good enough and we can fix things later" |
| 19:02.34 | Amarande | fewyn: the big difference is you only give your info to Google while you're using Google applications, or your Android device ... you may be giving your info to Microsoft while doing anything, even programs that don't normally go online at all |
| 19:02.56 | Amarande | been reading the comments on one of the latest ars articles, just saw yet another high voted post from a small time inventor afraid for his patent future |
| 19:02.59 | fewyn | except msft would have to specifically code stuff to access those |
| 19:04.25 | Amarande | probably especially rough on those folks, because now that the US has gone to first to file, it's absolutely important for small time inventors to be able to keep stuff private until they can muster up the cash to file, else some megacorp is about 100% certain to steal it and get away with it |
| 19:04.45 | Amarande | whereas, say, even assuming worst case datamining, writers are a lot better off, because copyright is automatic |
| 19:07.00 | mckenziemc | because microsoft is going to pilfer patent ideas from their telemetry data... |
| 19:07.29 | fewyn | totes mckenziemc |
| 19:07.40 | fewyn | i just think everyone is being overly paranoid |
| 19:07.58 | mckenziemc | "some other guy has the same idea about what's going to happen as me so I must be right" -Amarande |
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| 19:09.14 | mckenziemc | there are legitimate concerns fewyn, just not that one |
| 19:09.31 | Amarande | mckenziemc: depends, if it's a potential computer related patent that could reasonably compete against them, arguably they might be *required* to (standard not-a-lawyer disclaimer, but that probably comes under 'duty to shareholders') |
| 19:09.31 | fewyn | i agree there are some concerns |
| 19:09.37 | fewyn | but everyone is being all DOOM AND GLOOM |
| 19:09.40 | mckenziemc | s/legitimate/reasonable/ |
| 19:09.51 | Amarande | the ars commenter concerned was apparently working on such ideas |
| 19:10.03 | fewyn | yeah but the media keeps spinning it out of control like someone is going to sit on a computer and watch everything you're doing on the computer |
| 19:10.23 | mckenziemc | because Microsoft could totally get away with that, Amarande |
| 19:10.29 | mckenziemc | espionage totally counts as "first to file" |
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| 19:13.01 | Amarande | fewyn: yeah, the biggest concern is probably the resource usage |
| 19:13.16 | fewyn | legit concern |
| 19:13.20 | Amarande | people have reported not-trivial amounts of CPU and memory usage going to these features, not to mention the bandwidth usage |
| 19:13.39 | Amarande | (especially the aforementioned disaster possibility of people taking their newly upgraded mobiles on their summer vacation and eating roaming charges from hell) |
| 19:13.45 | Amarande | wait, "roaming charges from hell" is redundant isn't it |
| 19:14.18 | mckenziemc | you saying it is redundant |
| 19:15.09 | Torhal | mckenziemc: I think our biggest problem with Amarande is we don't just automatically go "TL;DR" |
| 19:15.45 | mckenziemc | yes yes, i was just thinking about that :( |
| 19:15.46 | mckenziemc | sorry |
| 19:16.04 | Amarande | Torhal: oh god that's probably the single lamest five-character expression the internet has ever invented |
| 19:16.50 | Torhal | :D |
| 19:16.53 | Amarande | I've said my thought on that before I think. We finally have the kind of bandwidth where you can literally download a whole treatise on a topic in less time than it took 30 years ago to download a single email |
| 19:16.57 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.16 | Amarande | And yet, we, as an Internet, seem to have less patience than ever to actually read through longer posts |
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| 19:41.58 | Amarande | A Short Guide to Internet Privacy in 2015: http://www.goodmeme.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/NYjsgAv.jpg |
| 19:47.05 | mckenziemc | how would i browse the contents of the dbc files? |
| 19:47.16 | mckenziemc | specifically ItemDisenchantLoot.dbc |
| 19:49.28 | foxlit | mckenziemc: http://pastebin.com/K5AuvAZq |
| 19:50.24 | mckenziemc | what's dbc.lua o.o |
| 19:50.43 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/0xiCmsXN |
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| 19:56.04 | mckenziemc | i found this http://www.pxr.dk/wowdev/wiki/index.php?title=ItemDisenchantLoot.dbc before i asked but how would i find more info about what the fields mean? i have no experience with dbc files |
| 19:56.58 | mckenziemc | guessing class represents weapon vs armor and the min/max level ranges compare to the item level |
| 19:57.55 | mckenziemc | oh it looks like there's no info there about the drops and chance :( |
| 19:59.26 | Amarande | mckenziemc: I'm guessing at least it's the same as it's always been |
| 19:59.32 | Amarande | pretty much every xpac has always used the same pattern |
| 19:59.46 | Amarande | purple crystals 100% from epics, blue shards 100% from rares & 5% from greens |
| 19:59.58 | Amarande | dust and essence only from greens, chances varying (I forget offhand what tips it) |
| 20:00.43 | mckenziemc | it's not, Amarande |
| 20:01.20 | LStranger | in Draenor blue shards are 10% from rares and 0% from greens |
| 20:01.46 | LStranger | and with crystals it's even more complicated |
| 20:01.55 | mckenziemc | what about the average # of dust |
| 20:02.38 | Amarande | but hey, supposedly in a few months we get legion and we can finally leave behind world of antisocial garrisoncraft |
| 20:02.40 | Amarande | :) |
| 20:02.49 | LStranger | lower levels it's 1-2 from green, for upper levels it's 2-5 from green |
| 20:03.45 | mckenziemc | do you know a source with exact numbers or statistics? |
| 20:03.51 | LStranger | from rares it depends on enchanting skill - on low skill it's 5-8, on maxed skill it's 8-12 |
| 20:04.12 | LStranger | that's from my own experience |
| 20:05.12 | LStranger | ah, from greens with low skill it's also 1-2, not 2-5 which is number for maxed skill |
| 20:06.17 | LStranger | garrison DE counts as skill 1 |
| 20:08.15 | Amarande | huh, that's new |
| 20:08.22 | Amarande | used to be it always depended solely on the item and RNG |
| 20:08.36 | LStranger | as for epic DE - with maked skill it gives crystal, with low skill it's 5-10% crystal, and 90-95% it's fragment x3 |
| 20:08.41 | Amarande | aside from needing a certain enchanting skill to DE in the first place |
| 20:08.48 | LStranger | *maxed |
| 20:10.16 | LStranger | percent seems to grow in skill range 600 to 700, <600 are what I meant "low skill". |
| 20:11.45 | LStranger | complicated, yeah, they gave enchanters a chance to skillup with cost of poor mats |
| 20:12.33 | LStranger | the same as with other professions - low levels give fragments instead of whole thing |
| 20:13.31 | Amarande | actually the fragments thing is useful |
| 20:13.42 | Amarande | it's almost impossible to level mining properly without it, in particular, unless they finally fixed that bug |
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| 23:04.36 | Amarande | Ars Technica posters are so dour and humourless. I keep finding things that have negative votes that on /. would have been "Score: 5, Funny" for sure :( |
| 23:06.04 | zenzelezz | posters or readers? |
| 23:06.35 | Amarande | well, I presume you have to have a posting account to upvote/downvote, so most of the people doing the voting are probably posters at least sometimes |
| 23:15.22 | Neffi | I think they tend to have pretty good opinions |
| 23:15.37 | Neffi | definitely above par as far as tech news sites go |
| 23:21.20 | zenzelezz | the crew, yes |
| 23:21.27 | zenzelezz | the community? Not so sure |
| 23:23.40 | mckenziemc | creates an army of Fisker clones to moderate Ars Technica. |
| 23:26.51 | Neffi | not perfect, zenzelezz, but better than average. I mean, I dont read the forums, but the comments sections tend to have at least 3 or 4 really knowledgeable individuals with great, well thought out comments on the topic |
| 23:30.57 | zenzelezz | true |
| 23:53.32 | Neffi | is Wikipedia's CSS not loading for anyone else? |
| 23:58.29 | foxlit | no, it hates *you* and you alone. |
| 23:59.10 | kd3 | ok here |
