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| 00:06.30 | wodim | there was a huge wall blocking the Tainted Scar in vanilla? |
| 00:06.31 | wodim | when was that? |
| 00:06.53 | fewyn | i love buying transmog that is valued at 7k for 5g.... i /sometimes/ feel bad about it though |
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| 01:31.24 | Gnarfoz | wodim: never, AFAIR |
| 01:31.39 | wodim | I'm looking at it now. |
| 01:31.44 | wodim | I levitated out of zulgurub and here it is. |
| 01:31.47 | wodim | No idea. |
| 01:31.55 | Gnarfoz | that's not vanilla |
| 01:32.31 | Gnarfoz | instance maps are not the same as the world map, yo |
| 01:32.37 | wodim | it's cut pasted. |
| 01:32.48 | wodim | I think they copypasted it from vanilla. |
| 01:32.52 | wodim | Or from when zulgurub was released. |
| 01:32.58 | Gnarfoz | they sometimes contain copies of surrounding area, yeah, but who knows from when/where and if modified or not. |
| 01:33.03 | kd3 | doubt it, they redid ZG in cata |
| 01:33.36 | wodim | i'm playing pre-cata |
| 01:33.49 | Gnarfoz | you're beyond our help, then |
| 01:33.58 | kd3 | we don't handle pservers in here |
| 01:33.59 | wodim | i'm not looking for help, just some chitchat. |
| 01:34.05 | wodim | my god. |
| 01:34.11 | wodim | always the same. |
| 01:34.11 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 01:34.21 | Gnarfoz | I was there in classic before ZG and there were no walls |
| 01:34.34 | Gnarfoz | just demons :P |
| 01:34.37 | wodim | hmm |
| 01:34.45 | wodim | maybe you guys can recommend a map editor? |
| 01:34.49 | wodim | so I can open it and show it to you. |
| 01:35.01 | Gnarfoz | if you're toying with old data files |
| 01:35.08 | Gnarfoz | why don't you look at the EK map instead? |
| 01:35.12 | Gnarfoz | that seems more productive. |
| 01:35.17 | wodim | sorry, EK? |
| 01:35.21 | Gnarfoz | eastern kingdoms |
| 01:35.31 | wodim | it's not the same |
| 01:35.36 | Gnarfoz | no shit |
| 01:35.48 | wodim | some things are slightly diff |
| 01:35.54 | wodim | between the real overworld and that zulgurub map |
| 01:36.05 | wodim | not completely different, but small details |
| 01:36.08 | Gnarfoz | didn't I say that 3 minutes ago? :D |
| 01:36.11 | wodim | heh |
| 01:36.14 | wodim | I guess |
| 01:36.34 | wodim | they probably just copied that part of the overworld when they started working on zulgurub |
| 01:36.41 | wodim | and never updated the instanced map, for obvious reasons |
| 01:37.20 | Gnarfoz | considering how early development of some parts of the game started, it's entirely possible that's from before launch |
| 01:38.00 | wodim | it's possible. |
| 01:38.02 | wodim | hence I asked |
| 01:38.46 | wodim | I want to try the same with Zul'Farrak, let's see how that goes |
| 01:38.47 | wodim | ;P |
| 01:38.48 | Gnarfoz | ~seen alram |
| 01:39.11 | purl | alram <~Alram@marlamin.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 228d 12h 20m 49s ago, saying: 'so sad Fisker'. |
| 01:39.11 | wodim | thanks |
| 01:39.25 | Fisker | :'( |
| 01:39.39 | Gnarfoz | bleh. you probably want to talk to him, tho |
| 01:39.50 | Gnarfoz | he's on quakenet |
| 01:39.56 | Fisker | He's here |
| 01:40.27 | wodim | you mean me? |
| 01:40.28 | wodim | ah thanks! |
| 01:40.41 | wodim | I'm on quakenet too. |
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| 03:29.33 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/vM9pA.jpg |
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| 04:26.29 | Shirik | Today, filed under "least shocking news ever" https://goo.gl/meK10V |
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| 04:36.00 | karl_w_w | interesting exercise Shirik: try to fill it out as teenager-you |
| 04:42.42 | karl_w_w | https://goo.gl/TzVUCV is me now |
| 04:45.22 | mckenziemc | go read a book karl_w_w |
| 04:45.40 | karl_w_w | not as interesting :P |
| 04:45.57 | Torhal | Go tell someone what to do, mckenziemc. |
| 04:55.18 | karl_w_w | https://goo.gl/TzVUCV me at 16 :P |
| 04:56.25 | karl_w_w | apparently I care more about getting good now |
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| 04:58.40 | Torhal | S'ok, karl_w_w - apparently all Neffi cares about is getting cars. |
| 04:59.24 | karl_w_w | I don't think it's a very good test, a lot of the questions are very samey |
| 05:13.03 | mckenziemc | uh |
| 05:13.07 | mckenziemc | that's usually intentional :p |
| 05:13.28 | mckenziemc | sends Torhal a box of Hungry Shower Crawlers. |
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| 05:15.11 | Torhal | wonders if mckenziemc is real. |
| 05:16.24 | mckenziemc | yes, and the shower crawlers are too :o |
| 05:16.32 | Torhal | Definitely not real |
| 05:16.57 | mckenziemc | apparently one of them had babies recently :( |
| 05:20.22 | mckenziemc | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pholcus_phalangioides they seem to like the ants that live in the walls =/ |
| 05:21.25 | Trela | http://i.imgur.com/MoHo8T5.png |
| 05:21.28 | Trela | I like customizing... |
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| 05:31.04 | mckenziemc | hey blu |
| 05:31.18 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 05:31.31 | bluspacecow | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1822797-New-Expansion-General-Discussion?p=35203313&viewfull=1#post35203313 |
| 05:31.42 | bluspacecow | dis guy. so deluded over having to register copyright. |
| 05:32.16 | bluspacecow | yeah you can but the berne convention grants you automatic copyright of all rights reserved. You register it to get federal protections amirite ? |
| 05:33.26 | mckenziemc | copyright and trademark are different, the post just uses the wrong term |
| 05:33.34 | bluspacecow | yep |
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| 05:37.08 | mckenziemc | don't know why people are so crazed on speculation vs. just waiting |
| 05:37.12 | mckenziemc | but that's the internet i guess |
| 05:42.19 | bluspacecow | http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?PostSearchSortBy1=PUB_DATE_DESC&HID=17293742&HID=15976489&HID=16448254&HID=15864565&HID=15889722&HID=11632620&HID=25911445&HID=11790906&HID=11855440&HID=16523940&HID=19935873&HID=19935872&HID=16000261&HID=16043832&HID=16064625&HID=15853634&HID=15917740&HID=16446673&HID=16557866&HID=25925804&HID=15889726&HID=15882614&HID=15978150&HID=11639741&HID=11645156&PostSearchSortBy2=NULL&Search_Arg=Blizzard+Entert |
| 05:42.20 | bluspacecow | nment&Search_Code=NALL&ti=1%2C0&CNT=25&PID=uq4ieiRY2GBNp1-lB_7Fp9xlBox&SEQ=20150802013527&REC=0&RD=0&RC=0&MAILADDY=&EMAILADDRESS=None&LIMITBUTTON=0 |
| 05:42.31 | mckenziemc | wth blu |
| 05:42.34 | bluspacecow | man that database is slooooooooooooooow |
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| 05:56.51 | Torhal | teaches bluspacecow about URL shorteners. |
| 05:57.22 | mckenziemc | teaches Torhal about life-shorteners. |
| 05:57.24 | mckenziemc | stabs Torhal. |
| 05:57.47 | bluspacecow | *droppy sad puppy look* |
| 05:57.51 | bluspacecow | i sorry Torhal |
| 05:57.51 | Torhal | teaches mckenziemc about death-shorteners whilst munching on his brain. |
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| 06:25.41 | Semlar | tries to calm bluspacecow down |
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| 06:36.15 | Torhal | forks Semlar and changes his license to Public Domain. |
| 06:36.47 | Semlar | hey man i don't swing that way |
| 06:37.02 | Torhal | That isn't what bluspacecow said. |
| 06:37.26 | Semlar | what does he know, he's a cow |
| 06:37.45 | bluspacecow | *munchs hay* |
| 06:37.45 | Semlar | SEE |
| 06:38.56 | Neffi | do cows eat hay? |
| 06:39.01 | Neffi | i thought they were partial to grass |
| 06:39.15 | Neffi | feeds Semlar to bluspacecow |
| 06:39.16 | bluspacecow | *munches Neffi's hair* |
| 06:39.17 | mckenziemc | this cow eats Neffis too |
| 06:40.06 | Semlar | hay is basically a dry version of what cows would normally eat fresh |
| 06:41.08 | bluspacecow | https://vimeo.com/16785886 |
| 06:41.11 | Neffi | so it's kibble for cows |
| 06:41.49 | Neffi | bluspacecow: he appears to be licking the camera, not eating the grass |
| 06:41.52 | Neffi | I was lied to |
| 06:41.52 | Semlar | well you can store it in hay bails for winter when everything is DEAD |
| 06:41.54 | Neffi | I want a refund |
| 06:42.08 | bluspacecow | *licks Neffiâs ear* |
| 06:42.13 | bluspacecow | *has a little nibble* |
| 06:42.17 | Neffi | kills Semlar and stores him in a Semlar-bail. |
| 06:42.34 | Semlar | grim neffi |
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| 06:42.49 | mckenziemc | bales out. |
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| 16:41.17 | mckenziemc | ~whalenuke harl |
| 16:41.17 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around harl with his mind powers. |
| 16:46.16 | bluipodcow | ~hug purl |
| 16:46.16 | purl | ACTION hugs purl tightly until purl turns slightly blue |
| 16:46.30 | bluipodcow | ~luck purl |
| 16:46.30 | purl | ACTION wishes purl the best of luck! |
| 16:46.49 | bluipodcow | ~lick purl |
| 16:46.49 | purl | ACTION licks purl *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 16:46.55 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 16:46.56 | bluipodcow | :D |
| 16:47.14 | bluipodcow | ~lick mckenziemc |
| 16:47.15 | purl | ACTION licks mckenziemc *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 16:48.01 | mckenziemc | sentences bluipodcow to life-imprisonment with Amarande |
| 16:49.19 | bluipodcow | Why? |
| 16:49.23 | bluipodcow | :( |
| 16:49.35 | mckenziemc | for the sins you've committed |
| 16:49.45 | mckenziemc | why else? |
| 16:50.08 | bluipodcow | So mean |
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| 19:03.25 | Shirik | random question: in Java, what happens if a function that does not declare that it can throw a given checked exception manages to throw one? |
| 19:03.43 | Shirik | I haven't yet opened the standard but google searches are failing me |
| 19:05.37 | Kowh_ | Passes it to the calling function |
| 19:05.58 | Shirik | even though it violates the specified behavior of the function |
| 19:06.03 | Shirik | so there is no run-time check |
| 19:07.24 | Kowh_ | I think "Throws" was a bolted-on feature? |
| 19:07.38 | mckenziemc | Throws Shirik. |
| 19:08.06 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:08.11 | Shirik | nobody caught me |
| 19:08.12 | Kowh_ | I might be mistaken, but I think the first few versions didn't have it. |
| 19:08.58 | Shirik | I'm writing up an article on the C++ exception specification and why it is shit but I was curious how Java handled it. C++ would actually attempt to transform it into a different type of exception (and if that failed, terminate the program) |
| 19:09.28 | Shirik | I actually thought Java would throw an error, but I guess it's easier to just make it an entirely compile-time thing and probably cleaner too. |
| 19:10.04 | mckenziemc | un-caught Shirik exceptions go to the garbage collector. |
| 19:10.29 | Kowh_ | Ah, the distinction is checked vs unchecked |
| 19:10.33 | Kowh_ | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1989077/the-throws-keyword-for-exceptions-in-java |
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| 19:11.04 | Shirik | yes I explicitly specified checked exception - BUT that only talks about compile time |
| 19:11.10 | Shirik | I want to know what happens at runtime if it manages to be thrown |
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| 19:12.18 | Shirik | I think you're probably right it just ends up getting thrown |
| 19:12.30 | Shirik | but testing that seems fairly difficult |
| 19:12.32 | mckenziemc | would the compiler not complaing about finding the relevant throw? |
| 19:12.51 | Shirik | theoretically the compiler need not be involved. I could conceive of bytecode that would do it. |
| 19:12.57 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 19:13.07 | Shirik | therefore there has to be a specified behavior for it |
| 19:13.31 | kd3 | uncaught exceptions get passed up the callstack |
| 19:13.44 | kd3 | whether or not there's a throws declaration |
| 19:13.48 | mckenziemc | executing bytecode doesn't require any special handling for that? |
| 19:13.48 | Shirik | even when they're unspecified checked exceptions? |
| 19:14.00 | Shirik | nope; I mean at the end of the day that's all a .class file is |
| 19:14.13 | mckenziemc | good point |
| 19:14.20 | Shirik | you know come to think about it |
| 19:14.38 | Shirik | does a Java function signature even include the exception specification? |
| 19:37.21 | zenzelezz | what do you mean by "signature"? |
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| 20:14.42 | karl_w_w | does the average American know what a bafta is? |
| 20:15.02 | Kowh_ | The average american doesn't know what a brit is |
| 20:15.14 | Kowh_ | Let alone anything that goes on there |
| 20:22.18 | zenzelezz | I have no idea what a lowercase "bafta" is; but it sounds similiar to a properly capitalized award name |
| 20:24.23 | karl_w_w | does the average zenzelezz know what a smartass is? :D |
| 20:25.57 | mckenziemc | three spiders one web :o |
| 20:26.02 | mckenziemc | feeds Torhal to them. |
| 20:26.09 | mckenziemc | i may need to start evicting again... |
| 20:26.17 | zenzelezz | karl_w_w: not much; it exists in no other state |
| 20:26.18 | zenzelezz | :( |
| 20:36.02 | Torhal | Kowh_: Are you on Staghelm? |
| 20:36.08 | Kowh_ | Yup |
| 20:36.17 | Torhal | Heh, thought that was you. |
| 20:36.29 | Kowh_ | Which are you? :D |
| 20:36.32 | Torhal | I'm on Azuremyst - you fed my AH toon earlier. |
| 20:36.34 | Torhal | Torhal |
| 20:36.41 | Kowh_ | Ah |
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| 20:37.19 | Kowh_ | One of the pets? |
| 20:39.45 | Kowh_ | Kura keeps giving me pets I already have, and sometimes I go through and throw up old dupes |
| 20:40.13 | Torhal | Oh, no - you bought something. Don't recall what, just briefly saw Kowh-Staghelm in the mail window. |
| 20:40.46 | Kowh_ | Ah, mats then of somesort |
| 20:40.50 | phelps | is there a way to know if a PLAYER_LOGIN / LOGOUT is a real or a /reload ? |
| 20:41.07 | mckenziemc | i asked that a couple nights ago o.o |
| 20:41.19 | p3lim | hook ReloadUI() |
| 20:41.21 | mckenziemc | i ended up hooking ReloadUI and ConsoleExec |
| 20:41.33 | phelps | ok cool |
| 20:41.36 | Kowh_ | Too lazy to fish or switch to my herb alt. I just throw gold at the mats I need for raiding. |
| 20:41.54 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.35 | Kowh_ | I don't actually see who I buy from, use Auctioneer to buy in bulk even when people insist on post 100 auctions of 1 flower each |
| 20:42.49 | Kowh_ | *posting |
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| 20:43.18 | Torhal | Kowh_: Those fuckers drive me insane. |
| 20:43.23 | Torhal | :/ |
| 20:43.28 | Kowh_ | It's gotten worse. I don't know why. |
| 20:43.49 | p3lim | 100 auctions? |
| 20:43.54 | p3lim | try 5-6k on my realm |
| 20:44.02 | mckenziemc | i bought 3600 arrows that were posted indivdually for a good price per, back in WotLK :D |
| 20:44.13 | Kowh_ | p3lim: Per poster |
| 20:44.21 | p3lim | for any kind of material on my server it's like 40 pages |
| 20:44.21 | Kowh_ | You can tell as they're all the same price |
| 20:44.37 | Kowh_ | But not quite that bad yet |
| 20:45.22 | p3lim | the auction system needs to be changed |
| 20:46.10 | Kowh_ | Needs buy orders and a layer of abstraction, yes. |
| 20:46.48 | Kowh_ | So you can say "I want to buy x of y at up to z per item" and it just does it for you |
| 20:47.03 | Kowh_ | Either immediately, or as an option to post for others to fill later |
| 20:47.07 | p3lim | basically diablo's ah system |
| 20:47.32 | Kowh_ | Haven't tried that, but I like to reference Eve's |
| 20:47.38 | p3lim | or steam |
| 20:47.55 | mckenziemc | well |
| 20:48.04 | mckenziemc | improvements to the sell side would be nice too |
| 20:48.17 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/t72MgQn.jpg pls be real |
| 20:48.39 | p3lim | extremely easy to fake that |
| 20:48.48 | Torhal | fakes Stanzilla. |
| 20:48.49 | mckenziemc | but if you said "sell *up to* this many of these items, however much the buyer wants" that could mean the loss of bulk discounts :P |
| 20:51.05 | phelps | Kowh_, isn't that how GuildWars2 works ? |
| 20:51.22 | phelps | I'm pretty sure it is |
| 20:51.39 | Kowh_ | Maybe, I don't recall. |
| 20:51.59 | phelps | you can post actions at the price of the highest "buyer" |
| 20:52.03 | phelps | instead of the lowest seller |
| 20:52.28 | phelps | or post at the lowest seller |
| 20:52.46 | phelps | do you want it now at a lower price or later or a higher, type of deal |
| 20:52.49 | Kowh_ | Yeah, buy orders. Like Eve, or steam. |
| 20:52.52 | phelps | from the seller pov |
| 21:29.34 | phelps | mckenziemc, how are you saving a value between reloads to check when the event fires ? |
| 21:29.52 | phelps | it seems saved variables are already saved at this point of the reload |
| 21:32.48 | phelps | ah nvm, its working |
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| 21:42.22 | phelps | using a cvar works |
| 21:45.51 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 21:46.12 | mckenziemc | i wasn't saving it, it was for determining whether to change a cvar when logging out :p |
| 21:47.02 | mckenziemc | should be able to pre-hook both of the reload functions and put a flag in the savedvar before proceeding to call the real reload function |
| 21:47.58 | phelps | works on logout but not login |
| 21:48.27 | phelps | i can know the logout was a reload but the login has the same saved var set |
| 21:48.51 | mckenziemc | huh? |
| 21:49.43 | phelps | lol, nothin, i got it |
| 21:49.48 | phelps | real or fake ? http://i.imgur.com/t72MgQn.jpg |
| 21:49.59 | mckenziemc | well now i'm curious, since i may need to use something similar to what you're doing for other ideas |
| 21:50.27 | phelps | its on a mac i seems |
| 21:50.35 | phelps | it* |
| 21:51.36 | mckenziemc | just wait till thursday :p |
| 21:53.34 | mckenziemc | "Scan complete. No repair required. [But we still needed to trigger UAC, apparently just to make a desktop shortcut you intentionally deleted.]" |
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| 22:54.22 | Neffi | decodes Semlar's back door. |
| 22:56.48 | Torhal | Neffi: ... |
| 22:57.59 | Neffi | decodes Torhal's back door. |
| 22:58.00 | Neffi | https://youtu.be/O2rGTXHvPCQ |
| 22:58.04 | Neffi | shipping channels man |
| 23:05.21 | Gnarfoz | luckily, Neffi speaks leet |
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