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| 01:30.07 | tz | blah, serves me right for not checking, billed for curse premium sub on paypal even though I now have complimentary >_< |
| 01:30.41 | mckenziemc1 | heh |
| 01:30.57 | VIad | tz: what addon you made? |
| 01:31.13 | tz | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/yes-boss/ |
| 01:31.26 | tz | boss-specific macros/talents/glyphs/notes |
| 01:32.40 | VIad | neat. doesn't look new (soo screenshots) but finally ported it to curse from wowui? |
| 01:33.18 | VIad | looks nice regardless |
| 01:33.26 | tz | nah, been on curse from day 1, I just had a yearly sub and forgot about it |
| 01:33.31 | VIad | ah |
| 01:33.58 | tz | made it so I could have macros to cheese dps on weapons for garrosh :) |
| 01:34.06 | tz | yay monk SEF |
| 01:42.04 | Dagmar | _Very_ nice application there |
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| 03:09.43 | Reflekxion | If I had a site that could display information regarding AH data for the individual user, this AH data would obviously have to come from the user via an Addon... what method's are generally used to get that data from Addon to Webpage ? |
| 03:11.08 | mckenziemc | pretty sure there's a web api |
| 03:12.21 | Reflekxion | mckenziemc: You have my attention, heh. |
| 03:12.35 | mckenziemc | i know nothing about it though =/ |
| 03:13.14 | kd3 | https://dev.battle.net/ |
| 03:13.43 | Reflekxion | kd3: Already looking |
| 03:14.21 | kd3 | https://dev.battle.net/io-docs -> wow community apis -> auction api |
| 03:15.36 | kd3 | also, the bnet forum just for the bnet api: http://us.battle.net/en/forum/15051532/ |
| 03:17.21 | Reflekxion | kd3: I'm aware of the auction api, the part I was asking was in regards to a "web api" |
| 03:17.56 | Reflekxion | or getting data from a individual's WoW via addon or whatever method, and getting it to a site in the easiest/fastest way possible. |
| 03:18.51 | kd3 | oh, that's a path fraught with dangers. you'd need to write an executable program that scrapes SavedVariables on reload/client exit and then upload them to a server where you can process them |
| 03:18.59 | pompy | https://theunderminejournal.com |
| 03:19.12 | kd3 | also, look at resources that already exist like ^ |
| 03:19.17 | Reflekxion | As explaining "go here, then go here, if it's not that, go here, and then go here, now get this file and upload" is a pain |
| 03:19.56 | mckenziemc | yeah it's either have them upload the saved-variable file or run a program to do it :p |
| 03:20.26 | Reflekxion | I'm not looking to replicate TUJ, WoWUction or any of those... this is very specific data pertaining to the specific user |
| 03:21.13 | mckenziemc | yeah, you through us off by saying the AH data would have to come from the addon, without saying why :P |
| 03:21.20 | Reflekxion | mckenziemc: Or do like AskMrRobot and use a specific token? |
| 03:21.26 | mckenziemc | threw* |
| 03:21.55 | mckenziemc | ah copy-paste |
| 03:22.11 | kd3 | yah, if you come up with a serialization pattern, that'll work too |
| 03:22.23 | mckenziemc | usually JSON :p |
| 03:22.42 | Reflekxion | JSONP more than likely, yeah. |
| 03:24.40 | Reflekxion | mckenziemc: Oh, heh. Yeah, The AH data would have to come from the addon but not like the realm or region type of data... but the information collected would need to be collected in-game as there wouldn't really be reliable information outside of game without using a ton of resources to get it; it'd almost put me in a situation of recreating a TUJ |
| 03:26.04 | mckenziemc | AceSerializer? (part of Ace3) |
| 03:26.10 | Reflekxion | Individual data allows for more precise information pertaining to that specific users, allowing to track sales, suggestions, statistical information, and other various information. |
| 03:28.24 | mckenziemc | actually it sounds like you'd run into length limitations if you tried to use clipboard transfer |
| 03:28.26 | Reflekxion | mckenziemc: Awesome! It looks like it will take serialized data but not put that data out? |
| 03:29.54 | mckenziemc | what was it... wasn't there a library for converting into base-85 etc? |
| 03:30.10 | Reflekxion | mckenziemc: I can on the web side make it very easy to pull/translate data and use it, I'd just have to take the time to narrow down on the addon side so that the string is much smaller, or broken into multiple parts (which I'd like to avoid) |
| 03:32.28 | mckenziemc | i'd check out how auctioneer stores their auction data in ropes, not sure if that would help |
| 03:33.10 | Reflekxion | I'm still in the process of thinking this all through, just wasn't sure about getting the data back an forth; was hoping for the easiest method possible. It'd be more so a personal project tho, I have some big AH giants on my BNet that I'd run idea's through/from. |
| 03:33.47 | Reflekxion | So if it seemed that I was being secretive, it's not that it's I haven't taken the idea to notepad yet to know what exactly I'd like to pull/send or display. |
| 03:34.50 | Reflekxion | mckenziemc: I don't use Auctioneer but I'll definitely have to check it out. |
| 03:37.17 | mckenziemc | well i worded my own statement poorly, i just meant we didn't know you needed to get non-standard information out :P |
| 03:37.40 | Reflekxion | Understood, I should have been more clear lol |
| 03:37.58 | Reflekxion | I'm tired, I'll take blame =) |
| 03:39.58 | Reflekxion | This is not a very good example, just one I found kinda quickly; http://altair.tzdthemes.com |
| 03:40.17 | Reflekxion | Obviously it'd be dealing more toward WoW and AH Data |
| 03:42.22 | Reflekxion | stuff they have listed, where most of the gold is coming from, overall outlook in days/week/month, community backend (forum), login via Battle.NET API (which I'd have to check restrictions on first), small realm data, etc.. |
| 03:42.36 | Reflekxion | It'd be interesting, atleast right now it sounds like it. |
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| 05:22.17 | mckenziemc | dammit Torhal |
| 05:22.28 | mckenziemc | only just now noticed _Cursor is your addon |
| 05:22.47 | mckenziemc | read the changelog and saw the name :P |
| 05:24.06 | mckenziemc | uninstalls. |
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| 06:33.23 | mckenziemc | how would i tell if the user is logging out rather than doing a /reload |
| 06:33.31 | mckenziemc | hook things or is there a straightforward way? |
| 06:47.00 | karl_w_w | why would it matter? |
| 06:47.56 | mckenziemc | changing my lastCharacterIndex automatically to a character that needs to be checked, but if i'm just reloading than the function that caches it reads the changed value |
| 06:48.32 | mckenziemc | i have an idea though |
| 06:50.17 | mckenziemc | although i have some logging addons for which it might also be nice to know whether the character's session has ended or if it's just a UI reload |
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| 07:35.43 | Mr_Rabies | 4000G from a single mission |
| 07:35.44 | Mr_Rabies | okay |
| 07:35.46 | Mr_Rabies | i'll take it |
| 07:36.09 | mckenziemc | follower gold bonus? |
| 07:38.29 | Mr_Rabies | yup |
| 07:38.33 | Mr_Rabies | 3x on uh |
| 07:38.36 | Mr_Rabies | blingtron's secret vault |
| 07:39.44 | mckenziemc | ah, i didn't know if the bonus could be cumulative |
| 07:39.54 | mckenziemc | i got 2k from it just a couple days ago or so :) |
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| 07:47.53 | mckenziemc | bluspacecow! |
| 07:48.01 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 07:48.08 | bluspacecow | wat up g? |
| 07:48.11 | mckenziemc | just the guinea pig i was looking for |
| 07:48.16 | mckenziemc | i mean uh |
| 07:48.19 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 07:48.33 | bluspacecow | *takes several careful steps away to the right* |
| 07:48.49 | mckenziemc | wrong way blu |
| 07:49.03 | bluspacecow | whats that over there ? |
| 07:49.06 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.14 | bluspacecow | *gone like Rincewind* |
| 07:50.11 | mckenziemc | sorry blu, Arena Trap prevents you from escaping |
| 07:50.18 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 07:50.21 | bluspacecow | wat u want ? |
| 07:50.35 | mckenziemc | nothing :p |
| 07:51.29 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 07:53.03 | mckenziemc | i seem to have fixed my addon issue so i'm just putting it to use now :) |
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| 07:56.50 | Fisker | I miss Cairenn bluspacecow |
| 07:57.05 | Mihau_ | Is Cairenn gone? |
| 07:57.54 | mckenziemc | hugs Fisker. |
| 07:58.18 | Fisker | Cairenn isn't online Mihau_ |
| 08:01.01 | Mihau_ | Oh, not gone gone. Good. :D |
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| 09:33.24 | bluspacecow | Fallout 3 or Fallout New Vegas for tonight ? |
| 09:34.57 | Fisker | Neither |
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| 10:08.13 | nevcairiel | Shadowed: are you still working on SUF at all? Otherwise I'll go poke a few issues and just push the fixes, if I build any =p |
| 10:10.18 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 10:10.27 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 10:10.49 | Fisker | :O |
| 10:11.38 | Kalroth | oh man, a return hug, you lucky! |
| 10:11.42 | Kalroth | hugs Fisker too |
| 10:11.50 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 10:11.52 | Fisker | hmm |
| 10:11.58 | Fisker | seems like I can't hug anyone else |
| 10:12.10 | Kalroth | cursed |
| 10:12.15 | Cairenn | lol |
| 10:24.38 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 10:24.47 | bluspacecow | in fallout 3 i have a contract out on my head |
| 10:24.59 | bluspacecow | âcept the ones that come to claim the bounty were silly idiots |
| 10:25.12 | bluspacecow | standing by a motor cycle ⦠which I shot , killing them |
| 10:25.19 | bluspacecow | it blow up lol |
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| 11:44.58 | karl_w_w | nice, if you upload a png to facebook it automatically converts it to jpg at what looks like about 60 quality |
| 11:47.10 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.40 | Fisker | o/ |
| 11:47.41 | Fisker | DAMNIT |
| 11:50.44 | Semlar | are lockout instance IDs actually used for anything in the interface |
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| 12:38.12 | Semlar | can you group with someone and get your gear scaled down to their level in a dungeon or is that restricted to timewalking events |
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| 12:42.05 | nevcairiel | timewalking |
| 12:42.10 | nevcairiel | only |
| 12:45.41 | Semlar | pfft |
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| 14:44.02 | karl_w_w | I think I know what Cairenn is doing right now: http://i.imgur.com/76r6kTr.jpg |
| 14:47.01 | Ressy | dawwwwwww |
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| 15:29.47 | Shadowed | nevcairiel I'm not really, if you want to push some fixes go for it |
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| 15:36.26 | Fisker | win10hugs Cairenn |
| 15:36.38 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 15:36.50 | Cairenn | but win10 is a pita |
| 15:36.58 | Cairenn | doesn't want to install |
| 15:37.15 | Fisker | :'( |
| 15:37.15 | karl_w_w | did you try this Cairenn? http://i.imgur.com/76r6kTr.jpg |
| 15:37.16 | Fisker | oh |
| 15:37.19 | Fisker | What's wrong Cairenn ? |
| 15:37.28 | Cairenn | karl_w_w: awwww |
| 15:37.34 | Fisker | I'll do your tech support if you pay for my expenses |
| 15:37.39 | Fisker | free of charge |
| 15:37.40 | Cairenn | Fisker: it just keeps being dumb |
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| 15:38.05 | Fisker | Any specific error? |
| 15:38.38 | Cairenn | no, that's why the frustration |
| 15:38.42 | Fisker | Damn |
| 15:40.05 | Cairenn | "Something happened." "Windows 10 installation has failed." "Ok" |
| 15:40.20 | Cairenn | wtf am I supposed to do with that lack of info? geez |
| 15:40.52 | Fisker | Might be something in c:\windows\panther |
| 15:42.07 | Cairenn | I'm just frustrated with the absolute lack of useful information it gives. |
| 15:45.58 | Cairenn | *turns off MSE and tries again* |
| 15:55.01 | Fisker | noooooo |
| 16:07.55 | Industrial | How do I get oUF to display my combo points as rogue as text? |
| 16:08.09 | Industrial | Also, how do I make some spaces optional? |
| 16:10.20 | Industrial | [smartlevel] [status] [threat] [name] |
| 16:12.16 | karl_w_w | turns off Fisker and tries again |
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| 17:11.25 | fewyn | http://movieweb.com/movie/zoolander-2/trailer/ |
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| 17:51.24 | Shirik | so I used to think our aircraft's temperature limits were unnecessary and absurd |
| 17:51.33 | Shirik | apparently not http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/11777843/Scorching-heat-dome-over-Middle-East-sees-temperatures-soar-to-165F-in-Iran.html |
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| 18:07.26 | karl_w_w | that's 74 C in real measurements |
| 18:08.08 | Gnarfoz | "heat index" is not a "real measurement", though |
| 18:08.46 | karl_w_w | yes it is |
| 18:10.08 | Shirik | tbh heat index should be considered a more real measurement, because it's the heat index that would determine if you become hyperthermic |
| 18:10.26 | mckenziemc | is heat index different from wet-bulb temperature? |
| 18:10.45 | Shirik | I don't know what that is |
| 18:10.51 | Gnarfoz | it's "whatever we felt like multiplying the real temperature with" |
| 18:10.52 | mckenziemc | ._. |
| 18:10.55 | Gnarfoz | so all bets are off |
| 18:11.10 | mckenziemc | not if it's wet bulb temparature Gnarfoz |
| 18:11.17 | Gnarfoz | no idea what the hell that is |
| 18:11.27 | Gnarfoz | wet bulbs sound dangerous |
| 18:11.41 | Shirik | oh no |
| 18:11.42 | Gnarfoz | are they screwed in? :P |
| 18:11.51 | Shirik | wet bulb temperature looks like it's lower than the current temperature |
| 18:11.58 | Shirik | and it's not "whatever we feilt like" |
| 18:12.04 | Shirik | there's a formula for it |
| 18:12.07 | Gnarfoz | he just said so |
| 18:12.38 | Gnarfoz | but we don't know what that article refers to when saying "feels like" - but chances are it's higher than the real temperature anyway ^^ |
| 18:12.50 | mckenziemc | Gnarfoz: it's based on humidity |
| 18:13.23 | mckenziemc | it's not arbitrary, it's based on the ability any evaporatively cooling body (eg. the human body with its ability to sweat) has to cool itself |
| 18:13.32 | Gnarfoz | so we still don't know what the temperature in that article refers to |
| 18:13.58 | Shirik | "Iran is enduring a "heat index" of nearly 72C " |
| 18:13.59 | mckenziemc | yes, the "dry bulb temperature" |
| 18:14.01 | Shirik | it's in the headline |
| 18:14.16 | mckenziemc | which is directly measured but less useful than the heat index |
| 18:15.11 | mckenziemc | the same reported temperature in san francisco vs sacramento would feel very different |
| 18:15.43 | Gnarfoz | this is in Iran, though |
| 18:15.52 | Gnarfoz | so maybe, just maybe, things don't conform to US standards |
| 18:15.55 | mckenziemc | *facepalm* |
| 18:15.55 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:16.00 | mckenziemc | it's not "standards" |
| 18:16.13 | Shirik | that's like saying iran doesn't believe that 2+2=4 |
| 18:16.25 | mckenziemc | the human body doesn't magically cool any differently in iran than in the US : / |
| 18:17.07 | Gnarfoz | I'm clerly no expert, but even Canada, which is a bit closer uses a different formula for this |
| 18:17.10 | Gnarfoz | *clearly |
| 18:17.26 | mckenziemc | well maybe canada does it wrong :p |
| 18:18.55 | mckenziemc | interesting, wikipedia happend to also mention the old record in dhahran: "However, in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia on July 8, 2003, the dew point was 35 °C (95 °F) while the temperature was 42 °C (108 °F), resulting in a heat index of 78 °C (172 °F)." |
| 18:19.11 | mckenziemc | that dry-bulb temperature is low, but that dew point is intensely high |
| 18:19.18 | Gnarfoz | yeah, and they have a table by a US agency and list not one but 3 formulas to approximate it |
| 18:19.46 | mckenziemc | and so because it's approximated it's arbitrary? |
| 18:19.52 | Gnarfoz | I didn't say that |
| 18:20.02 | mckenziemc | and the dry-bulb temperature that's directly measured but flawed is true? |
| 18:20.07 | Gnarfoz | so pardon me for being open to the idea that this article might be referring to something not matching what you expect |
| 18:20.52 | mckenziemc | it's what should be expected - an adjusted temperature |
| 18:21.01 | Gnarfoz | can't argue with that |
| 18:21.14 | mckenziemc | the problem isn't the adjustment, it's not being familiar with the adjustment, since we're used to dry-bulb temperatures |
| 18:21.21 | mckenziemc | it's being not* |
| 18:21.28 | mckenziemc | err nvm stupid english :) |
| 18:21.47 | Gnarfoz | in conclusion: it's hot there |
| 18:21.48 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:22.00 | mckenziemc | true xD |
| 18:22.00 | Gnarfoz | this Wacken live stream is pretty non-live :( |
| 18:22.27 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: how's the weather? still mud-tastic? |
| 18:22.58 | nevcairiel | today it was fine |
| 18:23.00 | nevcairiel | but i'm not there |
| 18:23.02 | nevcairiel | so no clue |
| 18:23.22 | Gnarfoz | sure, but you're close ^^ |
| 18:24.00 | Shirik | they revised my forecast temperature down today |
| 18:24.04 | Shirik | it'll only get to 102 |
| 18:24.21 | Gnarfoz | wth, Arte stream just went away, and the 3sat is also showing something after sundown, so it can't be live, either... derp |
| 18:24.37 | mckenziemc | Shirik: what's the heat index :D |
| 18:24.45 | Shirik | probably 102 tbh |
| 18:24.50 | Shirik | where I live we never have any humidity |
| 18:25.02 | Shirik | we can go the entire summer without seeing a drop of rain |
| 18:25.11 | Shirik | we regularly do, though I think we got one random storm in June this year |
| 18:25.36 | mckenziemc | are you in a storm shadow? or w/e it's called |
| 18:25.39 | Shirik | humidity is currently 15% |
| 18:25.40 | Shirik | yeah |
| 18:25.55 | Gnarfoz | aha, Mr. Kavka now, during daylight, this is closer |
| 18:26.23 | Shirik | any humidity will just get stuck in Portland |
| 18:26.28 | Shirik | which is also why it's always raining there |
| 18:26.35 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 18:27.28 | mckenziemc | i need to look into moving to portland |
| 18:29.14 | Shirik | give it a few years, then there won't be a portland to move to |
| 18:29.19 | Gnarfoz | hm, they had Savatage and Trans Siberian Orchestra on two adjoining stages at the same time in one big show? I need to find a recording of that |
| 18:29.38 | mckenziemc | same with california >.> |
| 18:30.29 | Shirik | nah dude |
| 18:31.05 | Shirik | the difference between california and oregon, even disregarding the fact that the cascadia event will be one of the largest earthquakes in the century, is the fact that oregon hasn't built up according to code |
| 18:31.10 | Shirik | california at least has durable buildings |
| 18:31.27 | Gnarfoz | wasn't there some tectonic plate thing that could mean the end of the entire western US? :P |
| 18:31.28 | Fisker | Oh god Shirik |
| 18:31.31 | Shirik | our freaking emergency operations center in hood river would be unable to withstand a major earthquake |
| 18:31.33 | Fisker | https://xkcd.com/1118/ Is so true |
| 18:31.37 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: just the pacific northwest |
| 18:31.44 | Fisker | Samsung just got ordered to remove bloatware in their phones in korea |
| 18:31.47 | Fisker | Samsung has an S in it |
| 18:31.50 | Fisker | $amsung! |
| 18:32.20 | Shirik | I just wish samsung would be ordered to remove their damn locking features so we can get updates directly from google |
| 18:32.32 | Shirik | this whole concept of "you have to get your OS from your carrier" is assinine |
| 18:32.49 | Gnarfoz | that's your carriers' fault |
| 18:32.53 | Gnarfoz | not Samsung's :p |
| 18:33.04 | Shirik | it's partially samsung's |
| 18:33.14 | mckenziemc | buyer's fault imo :p |
| 18:33.14 | Shirik | they create locking features which the carriers take advantage of |
| 18:33.15 | Shirik | like Knox |
| 18:33.22 | Gnarfoz | Knox is not for that, and you know it |
| 18:33.30 | Gnarfoz | it's for business/private dual use |
| 18:33.47 | Gnarfoz | if Samsung didn't want to sell phones in the US, they could certainly say no to carriers' demands :p |
| 18:35.10 | Shirik | other companies are doing it |
| 18:35.56 | Gnarfoz | are any of them #1 in smartphone sales? |
| 18:35.57 | Gnarfoz | :P |
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| 18:37.58 | Fisker | Most other phones get locked on US carriers Shirik |
| 18:39.56 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: Sabaton live now, looks like it's mostly overcast, but at least no rain now ;p |
| 18:46.38 | nevcairiel | thats how its been all day mostly |
| 18:48.51 | Fisker | I trolled this guy good Gnarfoz |
| 18:49.09 | mckenziemc | or he trolled you and you just don't know it |
| 18:49.23 | Gnarfoz | Wacken crowds are amazing |
| 18:49.26 | Fisker | Saying all vendors should remove all bloatware so people could decide what to use |
| 18:49.51 | Gnarfoz | I wonder if any win10 dev ever had his taskbar at the top of the screen |
| 18:49.52 | Fisker | And we said, let's start with the worst one, Apple |
| 18:50.24 | Gnarfoz | this "color accent" line at the top of taskbar entries reflects off of my screen's bezel |
| 18:50.29 | Fisker | Then pointed out that it'll be hard to do it without an app store |
| 18:51.22 | mckenziemc | i wonder if any windows 10 dev ever actually used windows 10 |
| 18:51.31 | Shirik | in other murrica http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/texas-man-shoots-armadillo-bullet-ricochets-back-into-his-face-1.3176390 |
| 18:51.38 | Shirik | and yes, windows 10 devs have used windows 10 |
| 18:51.50 | mckenziemc | shush shirik |
| 18:52.27 | Shirik | people hate change, and are always willing to focus on the negatives to justify why they shouldn't do it |
| 18:52.53 | Shirik | "If everyone paid $5 world hunger would end" "yeah but then I'd have to pay $5, so screw that" |
| 18:53.29 | mckenziemc | change? |
| 18:53.34 | mckenziemc | microsoft has barely changed |
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| 19:07.17 | karl_w_w | but I'm not hungry Shirik |
| 19:08.07 | mckenziemc | devours karl_w_w's soul |
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| 19:22.03 | fewyn | currently upgrading my windows tablet to 10 |
| 19:23.15 | fewyn | i really wish i could go run classic raids while waiting on my lfr queues but i can't :( |
| 19:37.31 | Gethe | lol https://twitter.com/ShayMakesGames/status/627561405135241216 |
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| 19:46.03 | Fisker | win10 hugs Cairenn ? |
| 19:46.11 | Cairenn | newp |
| 19:46.17 | Fisker | :( |
| 19:46.25 | Cairenn | and that's enough frustration for one day, I'll try it again tomorrow |
| 19:46.27 | Fisker | jumps on the plane |
| 19:46.36 | Cairenn | Naw |
| 19:46.41 | Cairenn | Not that big a deal :) |
| 19:47.10 | mckenziemc | upgrades Fisker. |
| 19:47.11 | Fisker | Installing windows is not that big a deal I should cross the Atlantic to hug you?! |
| 19:47.30 | Fisker | Also fix your win10 |
| 19:47.49 | Cairenn | While I love hugs, I don't think this is severe enough to warrant the cost of an airline ticket. |
| 19:48.06 | mckenziemc | fix your face Fisker |
| 19:48.07 | Fisker | Darn |
| 19:56.33 | Torhal | Cairenn: When you do manage to get it installed, I suggest you turn off the P2P aspect of Windows update - it's on by default, and basically turns your machine into a Windows Update bittorrent seeder. |
| 19:56.42 | Gethe | hugs Cairenn |
| 19:56.50 | Torhal | That's a pretty awesome thing to have turned on by default for data-capped connections. |
| 19:57.11 | Cairenn | Torhal: thanks for the info, that would have really sucked. |
| 19:57.16 | Cairenn | hugs Gethe |
| 19:59.33 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: it's not on for metered connections |
| 19:59.49 | wodim | was deadwind pass heavily revamped between vanilla and wotlk? |
| 19:59.53 | wodim | or just karazhan was added? |
| 20:00.01 | Gnarfoz | it was revamped, but Karazhan was always there |
| 20:00.06 | Gnarfoz | (and the revamp was during classic) |
| 20:00.08 | wodim | but completely? |
| 20:00.13 | wodim | I levitated out of zulgurub |
| 20:00.14 | Gnarfoz | what do you mean |
| 20:00.17 | wodim | and things are pretty different |
| 20:00.26 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: You have to tell it you're on a metered connection, though |
| 20:00.31 | wodim | deadwind pass looks nothing like it looks when you are in the overworld |
| 20:01.01 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: well, if you've got "3rd world" wired internet with data limits, yeah... how would Windows know |
| 20:01.20 | Gnarfoz | (and I agree that stuff like that should never be on by default, for any type of connection :P) |
| 20:01.50 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: The point is, they don't even try to find out. I'm wondering how much of my Comcast overage is due to my son's and his mothers' machines feeding into that bullshit. |
| 20:02.17 | Gnarfoz | sure they find out if it's an actually metered connection: cellular |
| 20:02.56 | Torhal | Doesn't matter in my case. I was using my capped bandwidth without my knowledge to help them upgrade people I don't even know. |
| 20:03.00 | Gnarfoz | it's marvellous that being from the US where data caps seem to be ubiquitious they didn't do a better job of that, though |
| 20:03.05 | Torhal | Yeah. |
| 20:03.49 | Cairenn | I'm willing to bet that my overage costs are even higher than yours. >< |
| 20:03.57 | Torhal | :/ |
| 20:04.07 | wodim | lol data caps tho |
| 20:04.15 | Cairenn | So, yeah, I truly do appreciate the heads up |
| 20:04.17 | Torhal | I'm capped at 300GB/month, with $10 per automatically0allocated 50GB block. |
| 20:04.31 | Torhal | s/y0a/y-a/ |
| 20:04.46 | wodim | well 300gb is cool |
| 20:04.56 | Gnarfoz | it's ridiculously far from cool, tbh :D |
| 20:04.59 | Torhal | Not when you have three Internet-savvy people using the same connection. |
| 20:05.08 | Torhal | At 100Mb/s |
| 20:05.23 | Ressy | ouch |
| 20:05.31 | Ressy | I'm on 35/3, 400GB. |
| 20:05.40 | Torhal | And with two Win10 machines feeding the upgrade beast. Fuckers. |
| 20:05.50 | Ressy | disable the p2p upgrade |
| 20:05.56 | Torhal | I did on both machines. |
| 20:05.59 | Gnarfoz | that's what we're talking about, Ressy? :p |
| 20:06.06 | Torhal | I let Cairenn know to do the sae. |
| 20:06.07 | Torhal | same* |
| 20:06.17 | Ressy | Cairenn needs to get on Teksavvy. |
| 20:06.22 | Ressy | Rogers/Bell is just too expensive. |
| 20:06.25 | Gnarfoz | also, was that even relevant before the 29th |
| 20:06.58 | mckenziemc | i think i'm at 3Mbps, 250GB :) |
| 20:07.00 | mckenziemc | works fine for me |
| 20:07.17 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: No idea, but both machines were running the Insider Preview all last month. |
| 20:07.31 | Ressy | 154gb last month for me. o.O |
| 20:07.45 | Ressy | Thats also with a week in Huntsville visiting Kaelten. :) |
| 20:07.58 | mckenziemc | that's my max, not used |
| 20:08.17 | Fisker | Hey Ressy |
| 20:08.20 | Fisker | Hey Torhal |
| 20:08.25 | Ressy | hi Fisker |
| 20:08.27 | Torhal | Hey Fisker |
| 20:08.28 | mckenziemc | ~fiskerslap |
| 20:08.38 | purl | ACTION slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker. |
| 20:08.38 | Torhal | Megalomania? |
| 20:08.38 | Fisker | No |
| 20:08.38 | Gnarfoz | mckenziemc: I've exceeded your data cap *this week* already ;p |
| 20:08.43 | mckenziemc | evidently no hey purl |
| 20:09.00 | mckenziemc | nvm >.> |
| 20:09.42 | mckenziemc | *gasp* so you're one of the evil beings the ISPs warn about ruining the internet experience for other users?! |
| 20:09.42 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: do they count both directions? |
| 20:09.50 | Ressy | snickers |
| 20:09.59 | Ressy | mckenziemc: our ISPs pulled that nonsense.. |
| 20:10.04 | Ressy | They increase the speeds. |
| 20:10.09 | Ressy | and then all hell broke loose. |
| 20:10.10 | Gnarfoz | your ISPs are the ones ruining internet experiences |
| 20:10.19 | mckenziemc | :) |
| 20:10.26 | Ressy | the network degraded due to them increases everyones speeds, and not doing network investment. |
| 20:10.38 | Gnarfoz | Ressy: were they drunk? :P |
| 20:10.47 | Ressy | they'd relied on throttling, which they got bitch slapped for cuz of me. |
| 20:10.47 | Ressy | >.> |
| 20:11.04 | Ressy | after they stopped throttling, they all had to do some major investment. |
| 20:11.54 | Ressy | Canada's interesting for internet. :) |
| 20:12.12 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: Yes |
| 20:12.19 | Cairenn | It's one of the few things I bitch about, about Canada. |
| 20:12.20 | Gnarfoz | Ressy: and US is stupid for internet, apparently |
| 20:12.39 | Ressy | Cairenn: Things should get a bit better.. CRTC finally listened. |
| 20:12.53 | mckenziemc | well, you do have us to thank for the technology :) |
| 20:12.54 | Ressy | CRTC ordered 3rd party tariffed access to FTTH. |
| 20:12.55 | Cairenn | I'll believe it when I see it, Ressy =/ |
| 20:13.03 | Gnarfoz | mckenziemc: bleh |
| 20:13.03 | Ressy | by 2017 |
| 20:13.19 | Ressy | mckenziemc: uhh... |
| 20:13.20 | Cairenn | and I say again ... |
| 20:13.29 | Ressy | lol |
| 20:13.40 | Ressy | It'll take a bit.. |
| 20:13.42 | Ressy | Cost studies.. |
| 20:13.57 | Ressy | going back to disagg. |
| 20:14.17 | Ressy | so that 3rd party ISPs don't have to pay the big guys for transport from agg POI to 151 front. |
| 20:14.25 | Gnarfoz | Australia had the right idea with a public internet backbone utility that companies could buy transit from, but that never materialized :( |
| 20:14.27 | Ressy | they can lease transport from others. |
| 20:14.44 | mckenziemc | there are costs associated with being the first to develop and implement things... |
| 20:14.50 | Ressy | which drastically reduces the price because the big guys are totally raping wholesale in that. |
| 20:15.00 | Ressy | mckenziemc: Which is covered in the cost studies. |
| 20:15.01 | Gnarfoz | mckenziemc: these ISPs had no hand in that |
| 20:15.04 | Ressy | They get cost + 40% |
| 20:15.15 | mckenziemc | talking about initial infrastructure |
| 20:15.22 | Ressy | nods |
| 20:15.22 | mckenziemc | in the US |
| 20:15.23 | Gnarfoz | these ISPs also had no hand in that |
| 20:15.43 | Gnarfoz | at least, I doubt that very much :P |
| 20:15.46 | mckenziemc | uh |
| 20:15.49 | mckenziemc | not sure what your point is |
| 20:15.53 | Gnarfoz | not sure what your point is |
| 20:15.55 | Gnarfoz | ~ |
| 20:16.19 | mckenziemc | i'm not saying it's an excuse, just that when something gets a basic implementation, there tends to be a lot of resistance to upgrading |
| 20:16.33 | Gnarfoz | talking about what? |
| 20:16.42 | mckenziemc | internet infrastructure |
| 20:16.49 | mckenziemc | in the US |
| 20:16.49 | Ressy | Since wholesale was implemented 5 years ago, we went from 10mbps, to 200mbps on cable. |
| 20:16.50 | Gnarfoz | as if that was just one thing? |
| 20:17.00 | mckenziemc | what do you mean? |
| 20:17.06 | Ressy | Your ISPs don't upgrade because theres no competition.. |
| 20:17.11 | Gnarfoz | "internet infrastructure" covers SO many things |
| 20:17.13 | Ressy | Theres no REASON to upgrade and make it better. |
| 20:17.29 | Gnarfoz | indeed, since upgrading anything costs money |
| 20:17.30 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:17.33 | Ressy | Look at Comcast hauling butt to attempt to compete with google fiber. |
| 20:17.43 | Ressy | couldn't be bothered to do upgrades... |
| 20:17.43 | Torhal | Except for the cost. |
| 20:17.53 | Torhal | It'll be way more expensive than Google. |
| 20:17.56 | Ressy | yup |
| 20:18.01 | Ressy | but there'll be a choice.. |
| 20:18.06 | Gnarfoz | clearly, since it's not fiber |
| 20:18.10 | Ressy | and Comcast will end up having to drop their price if they want to compete. |
| 20:18.23 | mckenziemc | do the isps even own the backbone? |
| 20:18.43 | Cairenn | I will be thrilled beyond words if we ever get to the point that I'll actually be able to afford a mobile data plan. Right now it's just too f'ing expensive to justify it. |
| 20:18.43 | Gnarfoz | some |
| 20:19.21 | Ressy | Cairenn: Wind is pretty spotty out in Ottawa. :( |
| 20:19.27 | Cairenn | yup |
| 20:19.50 | mckenziemc | so if ISPs don't fully own the backbone, how is ISP backbone likely to affect internet quality |
| 20:20.04 | Cairenn | the only 'real' options I have here are either Rogers or Bell. hence, too f'ing expensive to justify |
| 20:20.05 | Ressy | what are you even talking about |
| 20:20.05 | mckenziemc | this is assuming the backbone does limit US performance, which i don't know the accuracy of |
| 20:20.26 | Gnarfoz | doubtful that's the case. last mile is usually the limiting factor in everything. |
| 20:20.35 | mckenziemc | for individual connections |
| 20:20.37 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 20:20.41 | Ressy | o.O |
| 20:20.53 | mckenziemc | don't think so for aggregate connections but i could be wrong |
| 20:21.07 | Gnarfoz | not sure what you mean by that, again |
| 20:21.28 | Ressy | o.O |
| 20:21.34 | Gnarfoz | increasing bandwidth for customers usually works by extending the backbone closer to them these days |
| 20:21.42 | Gnarfoz | which means moving their fiber stuff ever closer |
| 20:21.42 | Ressy | not the backbone. |
| 20:21.46 | Ressy | The infrastructure. |
| 20:21.47 | mckenziemc | how would upgrading the last mile help if the intermediate parts can't handle the total increased traffic |
| 20:22.03 | Ressy | intermediate parts are usually overbuilt. |
| 20:22.06 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 20:22.09 | Gnarfoz | whatever you want to call it Ressy |
| 20:22.18 | mckenziemc | ISPs don't directly connect users |
| 20:22.22 | Gnarfoz | what it's actually called depends on the particular connection's tech anyway |
| 20:22.24 | Ressy | yes they do. |
| 20:22.32 | mckenziemc | i don't think thats' the case in the US ressy, but still idk |
| 20:22.37 | Ressy | yes, it is. |
| 20:22.41 | Ressy | ISP is the service provider. |
| 20:22.42 | Gnarfoz | what do you mean, again :D |
| 20:22.48 | Gnarfoz | they don't directly connect users among themselves, if that's what you mean |
| 20:22.52 | mckenziemc | service provider, not backbone provider |
| 20:23.03 | Ressy | backbone is just transport between multiple networks. |
| 20:23.03 | Gnarfoz | ISPs have "backbones" too |
| 20:23.08 | Gnarfoz | is this a discussion about technical terms? :P |
| 20:23.16 | mckenziemc | no |
| 20:23.19 | Gnarfoz | it seems to be |
| 20:23.37 | Ressy | User home -> Last mile (local equipment) -> Point of Interconnect (Area equipment) -> then from there, it goes out to other networks |
| 20:23.42 | Gnarfoz | I consider everything that's not part of the access network to be backbone |
| 20:24.01 | Ressy | The Last mile is getting closer and closer to the home. |
| 20:24.02 | mckenziemc | it's a discussion about the aggregate of physical connections packets travel over in a connection |
| 20:24.12 | mckenziemc | "out to other networks" |
| 20:24.18 | Gnarfoz | Ressy just said what I said |
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| 20:24.35 | mckenziemc | it's not just two parts |
| 20:24.37 | Ressy | SOME ISPs have a backbone. |
| 20:24.39 | Ressy | not al. |
| 20:24.49 | Ressy | err, ARE a backbone. |
| 20:24.50 | Gnarfoz | those are the parts that usually impose the limitations |
| 20:24.53 | Gnarfoz | since they are usually NOT FIBER |
| 20:25.01 | Ressy | nods |
| 20:25.02 | mckenziemc | for one connection |
| 20:25.06 | Ressy | Last mile usually isn't fiber. |
| 20:25.13 | mckenziemc | so |
| 20:25.17 | Ressy | But can be. |
| 20:25.18 | Gnarfoz | for one or many connections |
| 20:25.24 | Gnarfoz | since ISPs don't usually have just one customer |
| 20:26.11 | mckenziemc | doesn't matter if say copper is slow if you have 1000 copper users and a fiber link that is much faster than copper but not enough to handle all the users at once (i don't know what a reasonable number is) |
| 20:26.24 | Gnarfoz | it's ridiculously more easy to upgrade that fiber link |
| 20:26.35 | Ressy | um.. Wherever the copper all comes together, requires fiber. |
| 20:26.40 | mckenziemc | maybe in european countries |
| 20:26.40 | Ressy | and its usually the fiber that gets upgraded |
| 20:26.46 | Gnarfoz | fiber works the same everywhere, duh |
| 20:26.54 | Gnarfoz | in relation to copper, that is |
| 20:26.59 | mckenziemc | US is much bigger, older stuff to replace, longer lengths |
| 20:27.04 | Ressy | doesn't matter. |
| 20:27.04 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 20:27.09 | Gnarfoz | since that part is already fiber |
| 20:27.17 | Ressy | its the last mile that isn't fiber. |
| 20:27.19 | Ressy | thats all. |
| 20:27.23 | Ressy | everything else is. |
| 20:27.25 | Gnarfoz | unless you have some weird ISP that uses copper anywhere where it's not necessary |
| 20:27.40 | Ressy | and its usually overbuilt, with dark fiber (unused fiber just waiting to be hooked up and used) |
| 20:27.40 | mckenziemc | fiber can't magically hold an infinite number of simultaneous connections |
| 20:27.48 | Gnarfoz | no, but what Ressy said. |
| 20:27.59 | Ressy | alongside the fiber thats being used. |
| 20:28.00 | Gnarfoz | they don't put 1 fiber strand there when they put fiber there |
| 20:28.11 | Ressy | its not cost effective to only put 1 down |
| 20:28.16 | Ressy | they'll usually put down multiple rolls. |
| 20:28.40 | Ressy | They did that in front of my place last summer.. Put down 5 10 foot around spools of fiber. |
| 20:28.46 | Ressy | in a 500m area. |
| 20:29.02 | Gnarfoz | also, with fiber, it's totally possible to just replace the transceivers at both ends to increase capacity |
| 20:29.11 | Gnarfoz | sure, it has limits |
| 20:29.12 | mckenziemc | i don't think there are as many spares as you do, but it would be more effective to provide source information, rather than two unsupported arguments :) |
| 20:29.30 | Ressy | o.O |
| 20:29.34 | Ressy | Its called dark fiber. |
| 20:29.41 | Ressy | US has SOOOOOOOOOOO much |
| 20:29.51 | Gnarfoz | clearly, but I treat what ISPs do to upgrade end user bandwidth as proof of what are saying |
| 20:30.08 | mckenziemc | except that's only part of the network |
| 20:30.15 | Ressy | without that dark fiber already in the ground, you wouldn't get increased speeds. |
| 20:30.21 | mckenziemc | and what ressy's saying doesn't match other things i've heard before |
| 20:30.26 | Ressy | lmao |
| 20:30.33 | Gnarfoz | what have you heard, then |
| 20:31.21 | mckenziemc | about attempts to design prioritization for the infrastructure |
| 20:31.25 | mckenziemc | i don't remember exactly |
| 20:31.29 | Ressy | o.O |
| 20:31.35 | Ressy | you don't do that there. |
| 20:31.47 | Ressy | You do it further up the chain at the POI. |
| 20:31.52 | mckenziemc | not the links, but at the routers |
| 20:32.12 | Ressy | yes |
| 20:32.16 | Ressy | routers are after the links. |
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| 20:38.21 | mckenziemc | thank god he wasn't here earlier |
| 20:38.54 | Torhal | 67\]213.0][=- |
| 20:39.29 | Amarande | ? |
| 20:39.38 | mckenziemc | i thought your cats were stuck to Neffi, Torhal |
| 20:40.45 | Torhal | He wandered close to the keyboard, mckenziemc. |
| 20:40.53 | mckenziemc | rofl |
| 20:48.54 | Neffi | why are your cats so sticky man! |
| 20:50.58 | Amarande | Neffi, they probably keep playing with the Jade Oozelings |
| 20:51.51 | mckenziemc | or the Torhal Oozelings. |
| 20:52.02 | Torhal | Neffi: Molasses. |
| 20:52.26 | Neffi | no Torhal! bad Torhal! we don't dip cats in molasses. cats are friends, not food |
| 20:52.39 | Torhal | I did it so they'd stick to you! |
| 20:52.50 | mckenziemc | depends on what culture you're from, i guess |
| 20:52.56 | Neffi | no mckenziemc! |
| 20:52.57 | Neffi | no! |
| 20:54.46 | Gnarfoz | http://www.presstelegram.com/general-news/20150730/man-sues-in-n-out-burger-claiming-drink-contained-methamphetamine so that's why In-N-Out is so popular |
| 20:55.21 | Torhal | Their soda will literally rot your teeth? |
| 20:55.39 | mckenziemc | "He returned to the same In-N-Out location and told the manager, who apologized and offered him a certificate for a free burger, according to the complaint." |
| 21:01.47 | Neffi | Torhal: Misconception that meth rots your teeth though |
| 21:01.52 | Neffi | Meth addicts just don't brush |
| 21:02.08 | Torhal | brushes Neffi with a cheese grater. |
| 21:02.14 | Neffi | QW:KLEQW |
| 21:02.59 | Torhal | WAT |
| 21:03.20 | Dagmar | it wouldn't be the first time someone's gotten carried away like that |
| 21:03.38 | Dagmar | There was a Wendy's that basically had the entire third shift staff arrested one night |
| 21:04.38 | Amarande | claimed the drink contained meth ... this guy must have been high on something at the time |
| 21:04.45 | Amarande | ... possibly meth |
| 21:04.49 | Dagmar | I went in one night for a late night burger and figured something was up because _tweakers_ everywhere. |
| 21:05.22 | Dagmar | Less than two weeks later some woman went in there in the late evening and apparently ordered the magic combination or something. Got a bag of speed hidden in her tater tots |
| 21:06.11 | Dagmar | Cops came and arrested the entire staff |
| 21:08.01 | Dagmar | The fact that half the place was patrons who were sitting in front of a half-eaten order of tater tots really didn't sit well with them |
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| 21:08.24 | mckenziemc | welcome back Cairenn |
| 21:08.33 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 21:23.59 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, what's even more bizarre, once I recall reading a claim that someone was running a full scale drug dealership where all the products purported to be Infocom text adventure games :) |
| 21:25.15 | Torhal | I'm beginning to believe Amarande will be eaten by a grue. |
| 21:25.58 | mckenziemc | grues Torhal to the wall of a dungeon. |
| 21:26.24 | Torhal | stuffs a gelatinous cube in mckenziemc's pocket. |
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| 21:39.35 | Amarande | Torhal: hah, that happened to me many a time |
| 21:39.49 | Amarande | Torhal: you know what was the most totally dick move of all in that regard, btw? |
| 21:40.03 | Amarande | Planetfall. They really screwed around with you in that one regarding lighting :) |
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| 21:54.19 | Amarande | Planetfall first had a staircase, which was dark, and if you went more than one step into the dark, of course you got eaten by a grue. |
| 21:54.56 | Amarande | (Yes, you got eaten by a grue, even though this wasn't even anywhere near the Zork planet, and on top of that the planet was infested with a disease that killed anyone and anything living setting foot on it in about a week and a half at most, heh) |
| 21:55.27 | mckenziemc | except for Amarande apparently |
| 21:55.33 | Amarande | On top of that, there was exactly one light source. It was located in a radiation lab where you would die of radiation poisoning a few moves after setting foot in THAT. :) |
| 21:55.43 | Amarande | (And no, there *wasn't* anything you could find to survive entering the Rad Labs. :) |
| 21:57.54 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.04 | Industrial | Is there an alternative to AdiBags? |
| 21:58.23 | mckenziemc | yes, lots :p |
| 21:58.30 | mckenziemc | i use TBag |
| 21:58.56 | Amarande | I'm not even sure what those are, I always use arkinventory as my inventory addon of choice |
| 22:00.15 | Dagmar | Same here. |
| 22:00.34 | Dagmar | I have rules set up to keep the new stuff separated so I don't accidentally vendor the wrong stuff |
| 22:00.48 | Amarande | Dagmar: mind you, we've got bigger things to worry about than drugs and tater tots in the future |
| 22:01.07 | Amarande | such as the fact that the days of viable data security outside of medium to large enterprises are pretty much toast |
| 22:01.22 | Dagmar | That'll change |
| 22:01.23 | Amarande | except for those few small businesses for which Linux provides sufficient application support, I suppose |
| 22:01.31 | Dagmar | People will get sick of having their shit stolen |
| 22:01.40 | Amarande | Dagmar: I mean the Windows 10 telemetry stuff |
| 22:01.50 | Dagmar | Oh fuck letting that on my network |
| 22:01.59 | Amarande | I'm already seeing the specter on the horizon that health care costs will spike again because of Microsoft |
| 22:02.02 | Amarande | Wish I was kidding, heh |
| 22:02.15 | mckenziemc | uninstalls Amarande. |
| 22:02.28 | Amarande | but think about it ... Eventually 8.1 will become unsupported, so everyone will be pushed onto 10 unless they can leave Windows for good |
| 22:02.31 | mckenziemc | bah, broken uninstaller :( |
| 22:02.32 | Dagmar | If it manages to upgrade itself over here I have a backup from Monday I can just redeploy 7 with |
| 22:02.46 | Amarande | Doctors in particular probably have lots of specialised apps that I doubt run on Linux |
| 22:02.54 | Dagmar | Not really. |
| 22:03.05 | Dagmar | Wine crushes a lot of that |
| 22:03.05 | Ressy | you actually think healthcare is going to upgrade? |
| 22:03.13 | Ressy | Bank ATMs are still on XP. |
| 22:03.14 | Amarande | And if they're forced onto Windows 10, basically they'll probably have to affiliate with the local hospital for economies of scale on Enterprise licencing |
| 22:03.17 | Ressy | lawlz |
| 22:03.24 | Amarande | because using non-enterprise 10 is basically a blatant HIPAA violation |
| 22:03.51 | Ressy | Its not a free upgrade for enterprise. |
| 22:04.00 | Amarande | that, or you'll have to make all your patients explicitly sign that Microsoft and its trusted partners are allowed to have their data :) |
| 22:04.01 | Dagmar | I'm sitting on 3Tb here. ~400Gb or so is apparently viable for pushing to "teh cloudz" |
| 22:04.06 | Dagmar | That would burn my data cap right up |
| 22:04.07 | Ressy | so I doubt as many will upgrade as residential users. |
| 22:04.16 | Amarande | Ressy: I'm thinking about the small business market here |
| 22:04.22 | Amarande | the kind that aren't large enough to use Enterprise |
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| 22:04.38 | Ressy | We're on Professional at work due to being under 10 users. |
| 22:04.42 | Amarande | and somehow I rather doubt that the paid version of 10 will be any less eager to glom onto your data than the freebie upgrade :S |
| 22:04.50 | Ressy | we're not upgrading. |
| 22:05.00 | Amarande | Ressy: and what happens in 2023 when support ceases? |
| 22:05.10 | Ressy | Then we'll have no choice. |
| 22:05.13 | mckenziemc | Amarande: 2023 isn't next year |
| 22:05.30 | Ressy | and I'm sure that within the next year, they'll fix most of their problems. |
| 22:05.36 | Amarande | Ressy: then you more or less are forced to merge with a megacorp to be cost effective, because you can't use 10 non-Enterprise if you have any kind of confidentiality agreement |
| 22:05.38 | Ressy | Businesses can't be sending data back to microsoft. |
| 22:05.44 | Ressy | not with NDAs and such. |
| 22:05.45 | Amarande | the Telemetry will pretty much see to that |
| 22:05.58 | Ressy | No. We're not. |
| 22:06.01 | Ressy | you're insane |
| 22:06.01 | Amarande | that's what I mean ... basically any business that can't move to Linux and isn't big enough for Enterprise to be cost effective is TOAST |
| 22:06.06 | Ressy | oy |
| 22:06.10 | Ressy | stop talking out of your ass. |
| 22:07.14 | Amarande | what's really lame is that they don't let you turn the telemetry off if you're not on enterprise, WTF is what that |
| 22:07.18 | Amarande | *with that |
| 22:07.58 | Amarande | (also, what's even more bizarre is how you do it even ON enterprise ... apparently, you have to have it ENABLED in policy, with the level option set to off; if you "disable" it you really just accept "basic automatic feedback") |
| 22:08.33 | mckenziemc | gets the bug zapper. |
| 22:09.13 | Amarande | but yeh, I think I'm sticking with 8.1 myself even on my windows box |
| 22:10.17 | Amarande | mckenziemc, the point is that eventually 10 will be the only option unless you like having no security updates |
| 22:10.37 | mckenziemc | sure |
| 22:10.39 | Amarande | mind you, that's assuming by 2023 we even still have "PCs" as we know them, cloud advocates are suggesting that by then we'll basically be back to terminals and mainframes |
| 22:10.56 | mckenziemc | you're hardly qualified to be making 8-year predictions, Amarande. |
| 22:11.14 | Amarande | mckenziemc: I'm not sure anyone's really qualified to be making long term predictions the way tech is evolving nowadays |
| 22:11.32 | mckenziemc | so why are you tryign? |
| 22:11.39 | Amarande | even fairly solid ones like Intel's processor roadmap have started to break down, due particularly to difficulties with 10nm |
| 22:13.40 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, I wonder how many people get forced off the Internet by Windows 10 because of not considering the ramifications |
| 22:13.55 | Amarande | or suddenly have their credit score written down as "Leonidas" if you get my drift |
| 22:15.01 | Amarande | (due to excessive automatic data mining blowing them so far above caps that they can't afford the bill and thus have their credit crater) |
| 22:23.34 | kd3 | SM64 any% race up next |
| 22:35.39 | p3lim | ermegerd, got a package from github |
| 22:40.12 | Industrial | Ended up with Baggins |
| 22:53.02 | Amarande | kd3, have there been any JRPGs on the list? |
| 22:56.40 | kd3 | https://gamesdonequick.com/schedule |
| 23:01.58 | Industrial | So this is my unitframes atm: http://i.imgur.com/bgNXG8q.jpg, player target and ToT |
| 23:02.28 | Industrial | I'm having trouble fitting in a cast bar. |
| 23:03.35 | Industrial | Anyone got an idea? |
| 23:04.00 | Industrial | I have secondary power e.g. chi as a number to the left of the mana which whows when below the max |
| 23:04.07 | kd3 | just a 1-2px high bar beneath the health bar? |
| 23:04.19 | Dagmar | Make the user use Quartz because if they put that in the upper-left corner like most people do they'll be wasting your time |
| 23:05.08 | Industrial | its not placeable yet, but does include config for some of the sizing at the moment. |
| 23:06.13 | Industrial | I've wrapped all of my addons in one Ace addon called idTweaks that is unreleased. I want to make use of Ace features (config) correctly throughout all of the functionality of things that I made before that are still usable today. I'll probably split them out into different addon's again but for now I want to see how much re-use etc I can get :D |
| 23:09.49 | Industrial | kd3: I'll try that :FD |
| 23:09.51 | Industrial | :D |
| 23:15.30 | p3lim | tiny power bars are the best |
| 23:16.09 | p3lim | http://i.imgur.com/KrzPj7s.png |
| 23:26.50 | kd3 | wow, 1M dollars to MSF |
| 23:39.19 | Dagmar | RSI still has enough money to put _actual_ ships in space |
| 23:39.59 | Dagmar | A little IPv6 and some Raspberry Pis and they could probably scrap worrying about 3D rendering altogether |
| 23:41.26 | Dagmar | JEsus. 85 million now |
| 23:41.46 | Dagmar | Someone at EA is surely still smashing their head against the wall about that |
| 23:45.34 | zenzelezz | I'm really curious to see if anything even close to the goal will ever emerge |
| 23:45.46 | zenzelezz | so far it looks a lot like a polished DNF with crowdfunding |
| 23:46.07 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.48 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Their stretch goals list stopped at 65 million |
| 23:52.21 | Dagmar | Heck, one of my friends is a backer and he's been happy withit. |
| 23:52.34 | Dagmar | I'm waiting for Rift goggles to hit consumer-level |
| 23:52.43 | Industrial | p3lim: I intend to stack the frames. If you put the power there, where do you put the cast bar? |
| 23:53.27 | p3lim | Industrial: http://i.imgur.com/PZBdtKP.png |
| 23:54.10 | p3lim | Basically I just have the name of the spell and the flash on the castbar |
| 23:54.16 | p3lim | castbar itself is invisible |
| 23:59.25 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: stretch goals, sure... but they're still coming up with (and selling) new ships, I'm told |
