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| 14:53.51 | LStranger | in other words, small are FFA while other are per character. |
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| 15:33.41 | Gnarfoz | mhh |
| 15:33.49 | Gnarfoz | what does [DND] in NPC names mean? |
| 15:34.06 | Gnarfoz | (or spells, or whatever...) |
| 15:34.24 | Gnarfoz | I get [PH], but it can't be "do not disturb", that wouldn't make much sense :D |
| 15:34.58 | Gnarfoz | do not discuss/disclose? does not disappear? dude needs dough? |
| 15:35.15 | Gnarfoz | dirty nude dancing? |
| 15:35.47 | nevcairiel | design and development? |
| 15:50.44 | fewyn | So... I'm playing a hunter for the first time seriously since TBC (back then it was pretty much Steady Shot spam) this Barrage ability is cool though... I'm not good at judging the "cone" yet though |
| 15:52.53 | fewyn | at least i assume it's supposed to be a cone |
| 15:54.07 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: possible |
| 15:55.13 | bluspacecow | â¦. |
| 15:55.22 | fewyn | BELIEVE. |
| 15:55.26 | bluspacecow | completely forgot about my toast with dinner |
| 15:55.27 | bluspacecow | wat |
| 15:55.37 | fewyn | oh we're not doing that? |
| 15:55.46 | bluspacecow | *noms toast* |
| 15:56.07 | fewyn | what kind of toast |
| 15:56.10 | fewyn | toast toast |
| 15:56.12 | fewyn | texas toast? |
| 15:56.21 | bluspacecow | bread toast |
| 15:56.25 | fewyn | tries to think of other toats |
| 15:56.37 | bluspacecow | FISKER TOAST |
| 15:56.57 | fewyn | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_toast |
| 15:57.16 | fewyn | french toast |
| 15:57.22 | bluspacecow | *gasp* you heathen! |
| 15:57.32 | bluspacecow | you toast milk and frenchman somehow ? |
| 15:57.35 | fewyn | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melba_toast |
| 15:57.56 | fewyn | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaya_toast |
| 15:58.21 | fewyn | who could forget every british favourite? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toast_sandwich |
| 16:00.19 | fewyn | there's a lot less toasts than i thought there'd be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toast#See_also |
| 16:00.25 | fewyn | listed on wikipedia |
| 16:01.09 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:10.58 | foxlit | "3 minutes left in chapter" -> (next chapter) -> "2 hours left in chapter" |
| 16:10.58 | fewyn | shadow priests are op again? |
| 16:14.34 | fewyn | the amount of bigwigs updates is too high... i swear every time i look at the curse client there's an update for it |
| 16:17.19 | nevcairiel | its the first couple weeks after a new raid, thats normal |
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| 16:31.20 | nebula169 | Semlar: did you mean to link http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T18H.html ? |
| 16:31.46 | Fisker | hey Unkle |
| 16:32.57 | Unkle | Station, Fisker. |
| 16:33.10 | Fisker | Train Unkle |
| 16:34.29 | Semlar | Simca: do you know where the locations of the flight masters are stored for the taxi map, they don't appear to line up exactly with the world coordinates |
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| 16:38.13 | Simca | nebula169: lul |
| 16:38.23 | Simca | that looks like a fun simcraft bug |
| 16:38.38 | Simca | Mind Blast crits are listed at 3730000 |
| 16:38.45 | Simca | I wish my mind blast crit for 3.7 million |
| 16:38.54 | Semlar | time to step up your game |
| 16:39.58 | Simca | Semlar: there are several places that info could be |
| 16:40.05 | Simca | I'm tempted to say it's a world map overlay |
| 16:40.36 | Semlar | i mean for the taxi map |
| 16:41.59 | Semlar | the boots on the world map are landmarks, which it might use for the taxi map too |
| 16:42.12 | Semlar | but i don't think so |
| 16:42.44 | Simca | i'm fairly certain the tech is the same |
| 16:45.23 | Simca | actually, Semlar |
| 16:45.32 | Simca | what's LoadingScreenTaxiSplines.dbc |
| 16:45.42 | Semlar | i think it's for transports |
| 16:45.47 | Semlar | like zeppelins and boats |
| 16:45.53 | Simca | ah, okay |
| 16:46.22 | Simca | and the 10 points in it are for putting the '.'s on the map i guess |
| 16:47.01 | fewyn | http://www.etonline.com/news/167457_jared_fogle_home_searched_by_police_in_child_pornography_investigation/ |
| 16:47.02 | Semlar | i know they at least used to show dots leading from where you left to your destination on the loading screen |
| 16:48.26 | Semlar | i couldn't find a dbc file with the x, y coordinates the in-game taxi api gives you for the nodes |
| 16:48.27 | Fisker | hey Simca don't get viciously attacked by Fisker |
| 16:48.46 | Semlar | and they don't quite line up perfectly with the world coordinates in the taxinode file |
| 16:49.24 | Simca | you put the x, y coordinates into the proper format, yes? |
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| 16:50.03 | Simca | gimme an example FP's coordinates from the ingame API rq |
| 16:50.07 | Semlar | i took 2 specific taxi nodes in-game, got their coordinates and compared them with the world coordinates in the taxi node dbc file |
| 16:50.30 | Semlar | and used that to measure the taxi map in in-game yards |
| 16:50.45 | Semlar | and used that to convert the rest of the taxi map coordinates to world coordinates |
| 16:51.42 | Simca | isn't there some lua you can look at to see how they do it |
| 16:52.14 | Semlar | no, the taxi api functions literally give you 0-1 coordinates for placing the boots on the taxi map |
| 16:52.37 | Semlar | i don't know where it's getting those coordinates out of the client |
| 16:52.43 | Simca | is the taxi map identical to kalimdor |
| 16:52.58 | Simca | or whatever respective continent |
| 16:53.26 | Semlar | the taxi map is square |
| 16:53.45 | Simca | real blizzard tiles are square too |
| 16:54.04 | Simca | they might have done that on purpose for ease of using real data over the fake map stuff |
| 16:54.33 | Simca | what's the coordinates that the API gives you for a specific flight point? |
| 16:54.39 | Simca | (any example is fine) |
| 16:55.04 | Semlar | okay, for frostwall garrison you get 0.3387086391449, 0.63124781847 |
| 16:55.18 | Semlar | and in the db2 file it has 4564.84, 5578.94 for the flight point |
| 16:55.47 | Semlar | and bloodmaul slag mines is 0.35129502415657, 0.74228167533875 and 4358.41, 7399.45 |
| 16:56.25 | Semlar | i took the distance between the points and scaled them up to "measure" the taxi map |
| 16:57.12 | Simca | iirc Draenor is a full 64 tile WDT, meaning it is made of 64 tiles of size 256x256 |
| 16:57.20 | Amarande | fewyn: who the heck is Jared Fogle? heh |
| 16:57.27 | Semlar | but then if i take the formula and apply it to say, socrethar rise, it will be off by some yards compared to its point in the db2 file |
| 16:57.31 | Simca | so coords will go from 16384 to -16384 on both axis |
| 16:57.35 | fewyn | jared from subway Amarande |
| 16:57.41 | fewyn | EAT FRESH |
| 16:57.49 | Amarande | ah |
| 16:58.06 | Amarande | heh, the more I hear about celebrities in the news lately, or see the front pages of tabloids at work, the more my reaction becomes "who?" |
| 16:58.10 | fewyn | he's the dude that kicked off the whole "subway is healthy" thing |
| 16:58.21 | fewyn | "healthy" |
| 16:58.35 | Semlar | what i mean is, i can convert all of the taxi points to world coordinates but they aren't precisely the same as what they should be, if they're using the db2 file for it |
| 16:58.47 | Semlar | so i think they must be stored somewhere else |
| 16:59.51 | Semlar | it only matters because i need to be able to identify a given flight point based on its location, and if the coordinates don't line up i have to start rounding until they do |
| 17:01.22 | Amarande | wow, it's been forever since I've seen a subway ad, or even had a sandwich there |
| 17:01.34 | Simca | it's likely they're either A) not stored where you think they are or B) your converted coordinates are wrong |
| 17:01.37 | Amarande | the local one's just a wee tad too far up the road to go on a half hour lunch at work :( |
| 17:02.00 | Semlar | i didn't convert the coordinates wrong unless it's a precision error |
| 17:02.12 | Semlar | it's not like the axis are inverted |
| 17:03.17 | fewyn | subway is just not good anymore Amarande they are all franchised and run like shit |
| 17:03.42 | Amarande | fewyn: it's probably at least better than McD's, which is where I actually tend to end up going |
| 17:03.49 | Amarande | probably cheaper, too. McD's is getting way too friggin expensive lately |
| 17:03.56 | Amarande | almost $10 for a double quarter pounder meal, sheesh |
| 17:03.56 | fewyn | the only thing i can actually eat at mcd's is their nuggets |
| 17:04.03 | fewyn | the burgers are just bland |
| 17:04.07 | Amarande | it shows how ridic connecticut is getting |
| 17:04.15 | Amarande | even the McD's at Times Square is cheaper than the one here in CT near work |
| 17:04.46 | fewyn | tbh |
| 17:04.50 | Semlar | i'm doing it in lua so lord knows the decimals could be off |
| 17:04.51 | fewyn | i don't like to do fast food anymore |
| 17:04.56 | fewyn | mostly because i don't have the money |
| 17:05.01 | fewyn | but also because it kind of sucks |
| 17:05.16 | fewyn | i'll do wendys tho but only certain wendys |
| 17:07.04 | Simca | Semlar: grep without decimals |
| 17:07.15 | Simca | and you want to check every DBC/DB2 for your pair of coordinates |
| 17:07.32 | Semlar | how am i supposed to do that! |
| 17:07.58 | Simca | this is why i asked for them 30 minutes ago, i'd be done by now lol |
| 17:08.07 | Simca | I have them all in CSV format just for this reason |
| 17:08.39 | Semlar | the 0-1 coordinates i wrote earlier are what the game gives me from the api |
| 17:09.21 | Semlar | unfortunately i don't know how much lua is affecting the decimals |
| 17:10.01 | Simca | it's enough precision to convert to normal coordinates easily |
| 17:10.32 | Semlar | if the maps lined up |
| 17:11.10 | Semlar | i suspect the points on the taxi map are manually placed |
| 17:11.58 | Simca | we already know they're dynamic to some extent |
| 17:12.15 | Simca | if you have 2 flight points on top of each other, they space out to compensate, for example |
| 17:12.24 | bluspacecow | go on |
| 17:12.26 | Semlar | that's done in the ui though |
| 17:12.29 | bluspacecow | do it for a scooby snack! |
| 17:12.37 | Semlar | they check if two points are near each other and move the icon |
| 17:14.15 | Semlar | i need to be able to identify what point you're flying to so i can pull the ETA out of the database without relying on localized names |
| 17:14.38 | Semlar | so i'm using where they are on the map |
| 17:14.44 | Simca | semlar your coordinate calculations are wrong |
| 17:15.06 | Semlar | how so |
| 17:15.24 | Simca | oh, you're listing the flight points, not the ingame API result converted |
| 17:15.26 | Simca | nvm |
| 17:15.53 | Semlar | i gave the in-game api result and the coordinates listed in the db2 file for them |
| 17:18.33 | Semlar | i'm just kind of hoping the points aren't substantially wrong on other continents, because it works well enough for draenor if i just round a lot, say within 40 yards of the actual flight point |
| 17:19.05 | Semlar | hopefully there aren't any connecting flight points within 40 yards of each other |
| 17:23.35 | Simca | there are not |
| 17:24.02 | Semlar | "that looks pretty far to walk, better not chance it" |
| 17:24.54 | Semlar | so i did come up with a formula for estimating the time a flight point on draenor will take |
| 17:25.54 | Semlar | for some reason very short flights behave radically different, but that's easy enough to account for |
| 17:26.23 | Semlar | if the distance is < 400 or 500 yards i have to subtract 3 seconds |
| 17:27.10 | Kraps | ans suggestions for an addon that shows which proffs a reagent uses? |
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| 17:31.05 | Semlar | i'm mildly concerned that i have flight points listed for vash'jir, does it actually have flight masters? |
| 17:31.55 | fewyn | they are the underwater ones |
| 17:31.58 | Semlar | one of them is to fucking orgrimmar, i have a feeling it's counting the boat or something |
| 17:32.00 | fewyn | there's one above land |
| 17:32.08 | fewyn | for each faction |
| 17:32.17 | fewyn | on that little strip of land |
| 17:32.25 | fewyn | then underwater are the seahorse thingies |
| 17:32.31 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.54 | fewyn | i don't think it connects to org |
| 17:33.04 | Semlar | it thinks there's a 10 minute flight to org |
| 17:33.09 | fewyn | that's on the kalimdor map |
| 17:33.15 | fewyn | and vashjir is on ek |
| 17:33.37 | Semlar | i think it's merging the coordinate systems |
| 17:33.51 | Semlar | but there must be some transport between them |
| 17:34.11 | Semlar | i haven't quite figured out how to tell the difference |
| 17:34.31 | fewyn | there's a boat you take from org to first get to vashjir |
| 17:34.31 | fewyn | and it crashes |
| 17:34.31 | fewyn | iirc |
| 17:34.39 | Semlar | what about undercity |
| 17:34.40 | fewyn | it's part of a scripted event |
| 17:34.48 | fewyn | it's been a long time |
| 17:35.00 | fewyn | undercity is on the ek map so i assume the flight points connect |
| 17:35.20 | fewyn | honestly i skip vashjir |
| 17:35.21 | Semlar | this indicates there's a transport FROM vashjir TO orgrimmar and undercity |
| 17:35.24 | fewyn | every time now |
| 17:35.31 | fewyn | wait |
| 17:35.35 | fewyn | is there a portal? |
| 17:35.39 | fewyn | i think there's a portal |
| 17:35.44 | Semlar | i think i need to go there |
| 17:40.51 | Semlar | my server list has Incompatible next to every server |
| 17:41.00 | fewyn | means a patch just went out |
| 17:41.04 | fewyn | one of those fast patch things |
| 17:41.06 | Semlar | D: |
| 17:41.20 | Semlar | i have horrible timing |
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| 17:43.49 | Semlar | checking residency!? |
| 17:43.59 | Semlar | nobody's home |
| 17:44.08 | fewyn | yep my bnet is patching wow now |
| 17:44.39 | Semlar | the patch notes listed are from july 1st |
| 17:44.52 | fewyn | they rarely ever update the patch notes first thing |
| 17:45.35 | Semlar | i'm thinking about adding an option to hide your character when you get on a taxi |
| 17:45.49 | fewyn | what do you mean |
| 17:46.03 | Semlar | for some reason there's a console command to literally make your character invisible |
| 17:46.31 | Semlar | and when you hide your character while flying it's kind of like one of those glass bottom boat tours |
| 17:47.26 | Semlar | just a flying camera |
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| 17:53.43 | Semlar | http://wow.gamepedia.com/Sandy_Beach :| |
| 17:54.39 | Mihau | What about it? |
| 17:56.56 | Semlar | i don't see how it could possibly connect to orgrimmar since the flight map can't display other continents |
| 18:01.09 | fewyn | it doesn't afaik |
| 18:03.47 | Semlar | nope |
| 18:04.05 | Semlar | and yet there's a connecting flight path listed here in the database |
| 18:05.14 | Semlar | i wonder if there's possibly an option from the flight master to fly to org as like a dialog option |
| 18:05.21 | Semlar | under certain circumstances |
| 18:07.27 | zenzelezz | "WTFast"... seeing this ad a lot on Youtube. Wonder how many gamers try it |
| 18:07.56 | Fisker | A lot probably |
| 18:31.59 | Semlar | it's a 19 minute flight from vashjir to booty bay |
| 18:49.46 | Torhal | Semlar: Are you doing research for WorldFlightMap, or is this another FP project? |
| 18:50.10 | Semlar | someone wanted flight timers |
| 18:50.46 | Semlar | so i wanted to see if i could generate them rather than time every flight in the game |
| 18:51.05 | Torhal | Ah. |
| 18:52.02 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure my times are accurate, mainly i need a better way to identify the nodes |
| 19:02.02 | Semlar | do you see all flight points now when you open the map, rather than just the ones you know? |
| 19:02.26 | Semlar | like it shows connecting flight points on the map |
| 19:03.01 | MiRai | pretty sure you see them all |
| 19:03.02 | Semlar | but i don't know if that's only for connections between flight points you know |
| 19:03.33 | Semlar | i guess i could just get on my level 2 and check |
| 19:08.01 | Torhal | Semlar: If you end up adding the timers, do a countdown bar as well. Because why the hell not? |
| 19:08.14 | Semlar | do what now |
| 19:08.33 | Torhal | Like a castbar. But for the flight, while flying. |
| 19:08.51 | Semlar | right |
| 19:09.05 | Torhal | flies Neffi around Semlar's head. |
| 19:09.14 | Semlar | something is calling SetMapToCurrentZone nonstop |
| 19:09.28 | Semlar | i wonder what it is |
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| 19:11.22 | Semlar | it does appear to show you every flight point now |
| 19:11.54 | Semlar | good! that makes this simpler |
| 19:12.24 | Semlar | i can give up trying to find these in the game files and just export them from the game |
| 19:26.02 | jleclanche | Dagmar: would you recommend UseDNS to be set in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 19:27.07 | foxlit | sigh, Tanaan. I spend more time loooking for mobs to kill than actually killing them |
| 19:35.06 | Semlar | why you gotta kill everything foxlit |
| 19:35.43 | foxlit | something about blue exclamation marks above maps telling me to |
| 19:36.28 | Semlar | oh so if an exclamation point told you to murder someone you'd just blindly go out and do it |
| 19:37.24 | nebula169 | depends on the reward |
| 19:37.57 | Semlar | 100 apexis crystals and a handful of gold |
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| 19:54.43 | Neffi | engages his tow cable so it gets tangled around Semlar's head. |
| 19:54.52 | Semlar | :O |
| 19:55.27 | Neffi | take that! |
| 19:55.32 | Neffi | I bet it's mildly annoying! hah! |
| 19:55.39 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.52 | Neffi | oh blizzard, you so crazy |
| 19:56.25 | Neffi | they'll probably blame you for not having the one flight path you need to connect somewhere in the south, even if you have one that's like 100 ft away from it |
| 19:56.42 | Semlar | nah you take all connections now |
| 19:56.51 | Semlar | regardless of whether you've discovered them |
| 19:57.02 | Torhal | connects Semlar to a car battery. |
| 19:57.09 | Semlar | rude |
| 19:57.20 | Neffi | oh cool |
| 19:57.25 | Torhal | I was just trying to wake you up a bit. |
| 19:57.27 | Neffi | I have not gotten to experienced the latest major patch |
| 19:57.32 | Neffi | what is it now, 7.x? |
| 19:57.40 | Semlar | neffiiiii |
| 19:57.55 | Torhal | Neffi have not gotten to experienced English. |
| 19:57.56 | Neffi | oh 6.x |
| 19:58.05 | Semlar | it's 6.2 |
| 19:58.16 | Neffi | I quit just a bit before the last expac |
| 19:58.20 | Neffi | well, this expac |
| 19:58.23 | Neffi | I played 5.x |
| 19:58.31 | Torhal | revs Neffi up to 5x. |
| 19:59.10 | Neffi | GUIZ I THINK SOMETHING IS WRONG EVERYTHING IS FAST AHHH |
| 19:59.21 | Semlar | tries to calm neffi down |
| 20:00.07 | Semlar | TIL the timestamp in the combat log is not your local timestamp |
| 20:00.36 | Neffi | fix it |
| 20:00.58 | Semlar | no, see, because it's one of the only ways to get a reliable time |
| 20:01.46 | Neffi | what |
| 20:01.47 | Semlar | for sending timestamps to other players |
| 20:01.52 | Semlar | you can't use your local time |
| 20:01.54 | Neffi | GetTime(), debugprofilestop() |
| 20:02.04 | Neffi | oh, ok |
| 20:02.05 | Semlar | you can't use your clock neffi! |
| 20:02.08 | Dagmar | Gotta have a synchable clock or you can just give it up. Server time is the only sane option |
| 20:02.17 | Neffi | can't you get a ticker from the server? or only hour/minute? |
| 20:02.25 | Semlar | only hour/minute |
| 20:02.42 | Semlar | and without knowing the time zone it's not as useful as you'd think |
| 20:03.03 | Semlar | like i don't think you can get the current day |
| 20:03.17 | Dagmar | It would be cool if it were epoch seconds, but I'm not sure that would be worth the extra bytes |
| 20:03.48 | Semlar | now, i don't know what the timestamp in the combat log actually represents |
| 20:04.09 | Semlar | it's probably the server's local time |
| 20:04.50 | Amarande | sync is important! |
| 20:05.43 | Amarande | otherwise the hellspawn take over earth! remember the consistency failures in Doom? :D |
| 20:05.56 | Neffi | what does it represent on connected realms? crz? battlegrounds? |
| 20:06.11 | Neffi | it might not be useful to sync with arbitrary people |
| 20:06.28 | Semlar | depends |
| 20:06.36 | Neffi | why can't all servers just operate on UTC and then the UI just figures out the offset for displaying |
| 20:06.40 | Semlar | if you can convert it to utc then it doesn't matter |
| 20:07.18 | Amarande | for that matter, why don't we just get rid of time zones altogether and just use UTC :) |
| 20:07.47 | Semlar | i think you should be able to |
| 20:09.53 | Semlar | i don't think it's actually the server time because it appears to be EST |
| 20:10.23 | Semlar | and this server is 1 hour behind that |
| 20:10.29 | Neffi | local time? |
| 20:10.41 | Semlar | it's not local time, it doesn't change if i flip my clock around |
| 20:12.55 | Semlar | that is my time zone though |
| 20:14.06 | Semlar | it's also the same on two servers with different times |
| 20:14.38 | Torhal | servers Semlar from the local time continuum. |
| 20:14.52 | Semlar | clocks torhal |
| 20:14.58 | Torhal | !!! |
| 20:18.46 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.56 | Torhal | overlooks bluspacecow. |
| 20:19.13 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 20:19.16 | bluspacecow | so mean!~ |
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| 20:28.20 | zenzelezz | god, is there no-where left on the Internet where you can go without seeing the damn "utm...="-crap end up on the URL? |
| 20:28.35 | zenzelezz | "Go to our download page" has no reason to use that |
| 20:29.06 | nevcairiel | everything needs tracking |
| 20:29.27 | nevcairiel | they want to know where you came from |
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| 21:16.33 | Ackis | anyone here consider themselves an expert with jscript and search string modification? :D need help with encoding or something -> my &'s are magically changing to amps; |
| 21:17.51 | zenzelezz | when you say jscript, do you mean the Microsoft one? |
| 21:18.03 | Ackis | nah the standard one |
| 21:18.12 | Ackis | https://jsfiddle.net/Ackis/a6ao2y6g/ if anyone is curious |
| 21:18.34 | zenzelezz | so javascript, not jscript |
| 21:20.32 | Outrider | jscript is javascript |
| 21:20.38 | Maldivia | NO |
| 21:20.42 | Outrider | YES |
| 21:20.50 | Outrider | JSCRIPT JUST CANT DO ANYTHING |
| 21:20.56 | Outrider | :D |
| 21:21.10 | zenzelezz | jscript is ecmascript, not javascript |
| 21:21.11 | Maldivia | jscript is an EMCAScript dialect, it's not javascript |
| 21:22.00 | Outrider | even javascript has ecmascript 6 now |
| 21:22.19 | Outrider | its not that jscript is exclusive to this... jscript was originally microsofts version of javascript for the windows platform |
| 21:22.48 | Outrider | and no one adopted it, and javascript became more popular, but ecma is just a standardization guidelines |
| 21:24.09 | Outrider | but I dont like just throwing my thoughts counters to others so I'll just toss this last bit out there.... |
| 21:24.13 | Outrider | Afaik* |
| 21:24.23 | Ackis | hate you all btw |
| 21:24.37 | Outrider | I love you Ackis |
| 21:24.39 | Outrider | afaik |
| 21:24.51 | zenzelezz | Ackis: you're the one who said jscript |
| 21:25.11 | Outrider | oh right amp literals... |
| 21:25.22 | Outrider | uh I forget off the top of my head Ackis |
| 21:25.47 | Outrider | uh I forget off the top of my head Ackis |
| 21:25.49 | Outrider | Bah |
| 21:25.53 | Outrider | "\u0026" try this |
| 21:26.04 | Outrider | that'll write out the amp symbol |
| 21:27.34 | Outrider | lemme know if it works |
| 21:27.59 | Ackis | the fix is a simple replace(/&/g, '&') but I wanted to know why it's taking a string "foo.com?stuff=mud&torhal=sucks" and changing it |
| 21:28.38 | Torhal | Because URLs. |
| 21:28.46 | Outrider | +1 to Torhal |
| 21:28.52 | Torhal | &torhal; isn't a valid token. $amp; is |
| 21:29.03 | Torhal | & rather |
| 21:29.16 | Outrider | -.5 to Torhal for incorrect typing |
| 21:29.49 | Torhal | desiccates Outrider in a solution of Semlar drool. |
| 21:30.09 | Ackis | but & == &? |
| 21:30.23 | Outrider | that sounds worse than being exposed to only 2 patches after paying 60 bucks for an expansion |
| 21:31.15 | Outrider | Ackis: you know yah? pretty standard character |
| 21:31.22 | Outrider | same deal for the amp |
| 21:31.22 | Ackis | aye |
| 21:31.37 | Ackis | I know |
| 21:31.49 | foxlit | you're all terrible. |
| 21:32.24 | Outrider | waits for the followup |
| 21:33.16 | Dagmar | No one wants to argue that could be non-standard and you'd have no way of knowing? |
| 21:33.54 | Dagmar | Evil spy agencies around the world could be quietly embedding them into all your web pages _right this very minute_ and you'd have no way of knowing. |
| 21:34.04 | Ackis | I'm taking my ball and going home - I'll deal with this tomorrow when I've had something to drink |
| 21:34.19 | Outrider | honestly Dagmar I just would like the attention :( |
| 21:34.32 | Dagmar | No you wouldn't. Take my word for it. |
| 21:34.43 | Outrider | but... evil spy agencies noticed me |
| 21:34.50 | Outrider | thats cool |
| 21:34.56 | foxlit | & and are called entities. |
| 21:35.28 | Dagmar | Outrider: The main problem I suspect you're overlooking is that once that's done, they _never forget_ about you either. |
| 21:35.38 | foxlit | which is pretty much sgml/xml's escape mechanism for everything under the sun. |
| 21:35.40 | Outrider | Dagmar: only playing devils advocate for the moment |
| 21:36.01 | Outrider | Dagmar: rather not deal with any evil spy agencies, but by the same token I dont think im interesting enoug hfor them |
| 21:36.14 | Dagmar | Well, send an FOIA request to the FBI sometime and find out that they took note of what country you wrote to in your 5th grade social studies class. |
| 21:36.32 | Dagmar | We picked names _from a hat_. |
| 21:36.40 | foxlit | you're seeing them because when you want an href attribute to contain a literal ampersand character, you need to use the & entity |
| 21:38.09 | foxlit | so pretty much every &foo in your HTML snippet is technically a violation of the html spec. |
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| 21:39.55 | Outrider | hey Dagmar im waiting to put on my tin foil hat... but I dont see FBI on the lists of reports Ican make for an FOIA on their webpage |
| 21:40.14 | foxlit | which the browser fixes for you, because browsers are fond of displaying actual webpages instead of "the author of this webpage has no idea what they're doing" error messages. |
| 21:42.22 | Outrider | ahha I had to go to the FBI page and do a search |
| 21:45.53 | Dagmar | Outrider: As you can see the FBI is not in the habit of freely _giving_ people information. Mainly they only collect it. The "Investigation" part of their name sort of hints at that. |
| 21:46.12 | Dagmar | They "investigate" more or less all the time if nothing else is ongoing. |
| 21:46.12 | Outrider | Dagmar: or they just have shitty web devs |
| 21:46.42 | Outrider | I almost got on a govt contract for a website for the FDA and the people on that team were... kinda meh. |
| 21:46.55 | Dagmar | Again, they are not in the habit of giving _out_ information. |
| 21:47.28 | Outrider | I have some colorful points in my past, would be interesting if they have records of it |
| 21:47.39 | foxlit | (and your debugging life would be easier if you used createTextNode instead of concatenating HTML tags in javascript) |
| 21:47.41 | Dagmar | Your first query may well be responded to with a request for more information about which you you're requesting information about. |
| 21:48.06 | Dagmar | They will also make an addition to your file that you requested your file. |
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| 22:24.04 | Gnarfoz | oh god |
| 22:24.59 | Gnarfoz | why do they offer a 41 MiB installer package when the end result is not self-contained but unconditionally (apart from canceling setup, I guess) taking over my video setup |
| 22:25.05 | Gnarfoz | thanks for ruining everything, karl_w_w! :P |
| 22:26.37 | zenzelezz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/06/maine-man-dies-after-launching-fireworks-from-his-head/ - I'm sure it seemed like a brilliant idea at the time |
| 22:27.00 | Gnarfoz | headline should read: Maine man submits entry for 2015 Darwin awards |
| 22:29.07 | Maldivia | here's a celebration video http://i.imgur.com/cZAp6HP.gifv to go with that story |
| 22:29.47 | kd3 | wtf |
| 22:30.16 | Gnarfoz | that's a whole different category of fireworks, though =D |
| 22:30.22 | Gnarfoz | also, fabulous |
| 22:43.17 | Simca | lol another champion's honor token mission |
| 22:43.26 | Simca | they may have nerfed "gold" missions |
| 22:43.47 | Torhal | Dagmar: http://www.datastreamnet.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/data-center.jpg |
| 22:43.56 | Simca | but i've made 50k off selling champion's honor tokens, so alt-city is probably still viable |
| 22:49.33 | foxlit | Simca: that's subtly better than the alternative |
| 22:50.19 | foxlit | honor tokens transfer gold around while eating AH fees; pinata missions just add more gold into the game |
| 22:50.44 | Simca | yeah |
| 22:51.39 | Simca | champion's honor token mission is also an ilvl 675 mission requiring some capped followers or harrison jones, whereas most of the gold missions required no or little ilvl |
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| 22:57.30 | foxlit | hey, they hotfixed the oil rig blockade |
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| 23:58.28 | Hazal | Hey a friend of mine asked me if it was possible to change the selectedHighlight colour on the compactRaidFrames. I myself am not that expirienced with replacing or recolouring stuff like that so I'm curious if any of you know of a nifty solution :) Thanks in advance |
