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| 00:29.34 | Iriel | (Responding to a thread from 2 hours ago) |
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| 06:10.05 | kd3 | hahaha https://twitter.com/brokeymcpoverty/status/612455518213435393 |
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| 10:10.54 | g0urra | Ìû |
| 10:13.12 | g0urra | Ìû |
| 10:17.31 | Maldivia | playing with the null coalescing operator ? :) |
| 10:19.36 | g0urra | Ìû |
| 10:25.23 | Maldivia | :D |
| 10:31.37 | karl_w_w | woo level 100,000,000 |
| 10:36.08 | nevcairiel | gratz |
| 10:50.45 | Maldivia | so you hit max level |
| 11:05.28 | karl_w_w | $45.52 is my total damage |
| 11:05.53 | nevcairiel | only 45dollar worth? |
| 11:07.05 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 11:07.25 | karl_w_w | and only like $10 of it wasn't on my wishlist |
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| 12:55.40 | karl_w_w | stupid driving with live australian commentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKX5ALbJRiE |
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| 14:31.21 | zenzelezz | that moment when you're looking through your compile script and wondering "why am I deleting libraries after the code has already compiled?" (the intention having been to conditionally exclude some libraries in some situations) |
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| 14:47.18 | zenzelezz | hm, looks like Anarchy Online just might be finishing the new engine transition very soon... after only years and years. Shame it probably won't do much good, since the graphics almost certainly aren't the biggest issue for people |
| 15:04.13 | Amarande | yeah, "new graphics will fix this!" is never a good MO for MMO development :| |
| 15:04.42 | Amarande | people haven't cared much about the datedness of WoW graphics, even though Blizzard put a lot of dev time into that (instead of the things people actually wanted in WoD) |
| 15:05.01 | Amarande | and you have LOTRO who made long, world-spanning sessions quite a touchy matter with their graphics update :| |
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| 16:03.57 | zenzelezz | I like how father's/mother's day is different dates everywhere |
| 16:04.48 | Iriel | Fatherâs day is the same in UK and US |
| 16:06.11 | zenzelezz | UK and US is not "everywhere" though :D |
| 16:06.49 | zenzelezz | I even get the impression there are two mother's days in a year, but I never know |
| 16:10.16 | Maldivia | father's day in Denmark, is on June 5th, which is also the constitution day |
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| 16:26.47 | stuf | father's day in finland is on the first weekend in november iirc |
| 16:26.50 | stuf | first or second |
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| 17:30.33 | Stanzilla | foxlit: will you do naval missions in master plan or new addon? |
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| 17:40.07 | zenzelezz | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/greek-debt-crisis-the-picture-that-shows-the-pain-of-the-nation-falling-apart-10327742.html - I feel bad for the guy, that's one horrible job |
| 17:42.32 | Fisker | Did he try selling hats yet? |
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| 21:01.24 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/rXoz1Zc Cairenn |
| 21:01.38 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 21:06.53 | zenzelezz | someone talking about a player called Seizov... I keep hearing "sizeof" |
| 21:07.01 | kullervo | hiring a horde panda on EU, for the Nemesis quest, will pay a wow token's price for the service |
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| 22:07.07 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.51 | zenzelezz | not sure I get it; beyond looking fancy |
| 22:13.48 | zenzelezz | I was (well, still am) amused at how Anarchy Online makes your character do a backflip when you ding |
| 22:13.54 | foxlit | I just found the animation somewhat amusing. |
| 22:15.23 | Iriel | zenzelezz: you still PLAY AO? |
| 22:16.29 | foxlit | it plays on the standard level up one, just as the moogle giving out those quests and levels gives off the impression that he's just dumping the run-around work on you |
| 22:17.59 | zenzelezz | Iriel: I drop in occasionally |
| 22:18.08 | zenzelezz | was my first MMO, so there's always the memories |
| 22:18.24 | Iriel | I played it long, long ago |
| 22:19.42 | zenzelezz | January 2003 I was introduced to it; played until mid-05 I think... perhaps early |
| 22:19.54 | zenzelezz | I'm quite surprised it's still running |
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| 22:45.19 | Amarande | kullervo: *ungh* |
| 22:45.35 | Amarande | I didn't quite realise that when I was thinking about the effects of the wow token on the game :| |
| 22:46.05 | Amarande | now that there's the token, there's a recognisable money value on gold :( |
| 22:46.24 | Amarande | which means probably people will indeed start to widely use that as a yardstick for deciding how much their time helping someone is worth. :| |
| 22:55.21 | Iriel | Do you think /most/ people give a crap? |
| 22:55.31 | Iriel | I dont, but iâm not necessarily representative |
| 22:55.48 | Iriel | But I do think thereâs an obsessive core of folks who care, and then a majority who really wont. |
| 22:56.08 | Amarande | Iriel: yeah, that's true |
| 22:58.07 | Iriel | Though itâs amusing to note itâs going to cost in the realm of 104 Million gold to get my retaining wall replaced. |
| 22:58.33 | kd3 | ouch |
| 22:58.47 | Iriel | Iâve been expecting it so I had a few years to save. |
| 22:59.23 | Amarande | Probably also a good thing that WoW is cheap and ... hmmmmm ... *now* it dawns on me, wonder if the Token is the real reason why Blizzard made the rule in the terms of service that you can only have three accounts |
| 22:59.50 | Amarande | Taxes. Something the average Joe probably won't think to worry about, but Blizzard as a large company presumably *does* have to worry about it |
| 23:00.10 | Kaylin | Whatcha mean? the token increases their income |
| 23:00.18 | Amarande | Kaylin: I mean this. It costs $180 to play WoW for a year, monthly. |
| 23:00.43 | MiRai | Amarande: The "three account" rule is based upon your BNet balance, not how many BNet accounts you're actually allowed to have. |
| 23:00.44 | Amarande | You could argue that now that you can buy tokens, which are worth real money, your gold actually counts as realised income at the value rate of the tokens |
| 23:01.34 | Iriel | Thing is, once you buy the token, itâs NOT worth real money |
| 23:01.41 | Kaylin | you could also argue that you buy tokens with real money but cannot sell them for real money, they're only able to be sold on the AH for gold via that UI, probably for that reason |
| 23:01.43 | Amarande | Three accounts is $540 a year you could get in free services with enough gold. Four would be $720. I'm not a lawyer and foggy on the tax rules but seem to recollect $600 is some kind of threshold for gaming income (it's the level at which at least you have to take your lotto tickets to High Tier and file taxes) |
| 23:02.56 | Amarande | heh. this is why the US tax code is one of the few books in the world larger than the entirety of the Wheel of Time series, I guess :) |
| 23:04.15 | Amarande | but yeah, I'm not entirely sure what the official ruling is, which means that perhaps that might actually be relevant |
| 23:04.29 | Amarande | IIRC they dropped the RMAH in D3 around the same time, sooo ... |
| 23:05.16 | Kaylin | D3 AH was pretty bad IMO but the no trading is also awful. i feel they could have gone the Diablo II route and let us trade things. |
| 23:05.33 | Amarande | yeah, it's a big reason I totally lost interest in D3 for a long while |
| 23:06.06 | Amarande | I liked how in D2 I could save up the middling items that I had no use for at the time being and, if not using them for alts, give them to friends who were joining in the game later to give them a leg up |
| 23:06.15 | Amarande | in D3, you practically can't do that at all |
| 23:06.34 | Amarande | except for rares, and strangely enough it also seems low level legendary crafting recipes also do not bind |
| 23:06.57 | Amarande | (I got 2 copies of one of the leveling set recipes, and oddly enough the one that I didn't use does not say it's account bound, even though set recipes are themselves legendary) |
| 23:07.20 | Kaylin | I solved this problem by just playing D2 |
| 23:07.29 | Kaylin | did you see they're hiring classic game devs? |
| 23:07.56 | Kaylin | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/careers/posting.html?id=15000AN |
| 23:08.05 | Kaylin | (lots of junior positions too) |
| 23:08.43 | Kaylin | "Experience with diagnosing and fixing crashes, deadlocks, stack overflows, and heap corruption" at least they admit these are issues on the classic titles -.- |
| 23:09.08 | Kaylin | *cough* Diablo II |
| 23:10.04 | Torhal | Hmm...I wonder if this also means they're going to update the classic titles for OSX. Since three versions ago, Apple dropped the compatibility layer that allowed PPC programs to run. |
| 23:10.40 | Kaylin | considering the desires for skills listed on that page I would guess yes |
| 23:11.15 | Kaylin | "modern operating systems" together with exp with Xcode and developing OSX game software |
| 23:11.21 | Torhal | Yeah - responsibilities and plusses seems so. |
| 23:11.51 | Kaylin | and I know less than a year ago I spoke with a dev working on Diablo II |
| 23:12.20 | Kaylin | and I'd be shocked if WC3 wasn't in the pipe as well since |
| 23:12.30 | Kaylin | it's the latest in that series apart from WoW. |
| 23:12.44 | Kaylin | it's almost a shame it's considered a legacy game since there's no WC4 |
| 23:15.46 | Amarande | Torhal: doesn't Wine run on OSX? |
| 23:16.11 | Torhal | Yes. |
| 23:16.31 | Amarande | assuming you can get wine to run, which itself seems to involve sacrificing a unicorn some of the time :| |
| 23:17.04 | Amarande | I still have not quite figured out why, but there's been plenty a time where I've pulled the latest wine source deb, pulled the build-deps, and compiled |
| 23:17.10 | Amarande | and find that the thing compiles fine but is unusable |
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| 23:17.38 | Amarande | not sure if it's somehow depending on too-new library versions compared to debian stable (possible, but seems unlikely since the dependency process should catch that), or what |
| 23:18.49 | Kaylin | Maybe you should wine about it to the developers. |
| 23:18.51 | Kaylin | :P |
| 23:22.55 | Semlar | would you like some cheese with that wine |
| 23:23.53 | Amarande | heh |
| 23:35.11 | Amarande | Semlar: hah, they should have called winetricks "cheese" :) |