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| 00:14.57 | Semlar | neffi adblock has marked pastebin as malware |
| 00:15.04 | Semlar | so it's just blocking everything on it |
| 00:17.19 | Semlar | which would explain why its stylesheet wasn't loading earlier |
| 00:19.16 | Amarande | Semlar: which pastebin? |
| 00:19.51 | Amarande | I think most people avoid .com these days because of the ads and such |
| 00:19.56 | Amarande | .ca seems to be the go-to lately |
| 00:23.25 | Neffi | Semlar: yeah I know. I chuckled. |
| 00:23.28 | Neffi | pastebin is terrible |
| 00:23.46 | Semlar | >_> |
| 00:24.03 | Semlar | i don't want to unblock it if malwaredomains added it to the list |
| 00:26.04 | Neffi | it's because people post public pastebins with shady content |
| 00:26.10 | Neffi | which may link to malware |
| 00:26.19 | Neffi | the site itself isn't dangerous, just shitty |
| 00:26.41 | Semlar | but that's a ridiculous reason to block something |
| 00:26.59 | Neffi | you subscribed to a list whose job it is to block content which may contain malware |
| 00:27.08 | Neffi | and pastebin is presenting content which may contain malware |
| 00:27.21 | Semlar | pfft, what am i going to do, copy and paste links out of a web page? |
| 00:27.22 | Neffi | (pastebin has become _very_ popular with all sorts of shady shit) |
| 00:27.41 | Neffi | you might |
| 00:27.49 | Neffi | people on the whole can be overwhelmingly stupid |
| 00:28.20 | Amarande | what's especially fun is when some antimalware facilities block entire shared webhost servers because a single site got hacked and caught malware |
| 00:28.30 | Amarande | Help us, IPv6, you're our only hope :( |
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| 00:29.12 | Neffi | I don't particularly trust shared webhosts. You're putting faith in the people who run it to keep security up, and a lot of them tend to be run very unprofessionally. |
| 00:29.29 | Neffi | so it's not like that's entirely unreasonable |
| 00:32.07 | Semlar | it's a little unreasonable |
| 00:32.34 | Neffi | a little, but not entirely |
| 00:32.50 | Semlar | it's like blocking google because it might link to malicious content |
| 00:33.48 | Semlar | i mean, unless that's ALL anyone uses pastebin for |
| 00:38.50 | Neffi | blocks Semlar. |
| 00:39.04 | Semlar | parries neffi |
| 00:39.12 | Neffi | dodges Torhal |
| 00:39.27 | Torhal | cockblocks Neffi. |
| 00:39.39 | Neffi | :( |
| 00:41.18 | Amarande | so we're getting flying after all |
| 00:41.26 | Amarande | hmmm, I wonder what they're going to do about Farahlon now, though :) |
| 00:42.07 | Semlar | rude |
| 00:42.09 | Amarande | because lore indicates ... it's kinda supposed to be there ... and with flying, there's not really any way to keep you from going where it ought to be and wondering "why isn't this here?" |
| 00:57.25 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.01 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:22.37 | Amarande | foxlit: ugh, it's no better than google play store in that case |
| 01:22.55 | Amarande | the only really good thing about kindle vs google play store as it is is that google still doesn't have a gift system |
| 01:23.18 | Amarande | (barring "buy someone a google play gift card at the store" which kinda sucks if they're long distance since then you have to mail an activated giftcard which is basically like mailing cash) |
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| 01:32.59 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/2015-06-11_04-32-05.png |
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| 02:05.51 | WrathTECH | Mr_Rabies: Have you checked out the current version of Platter? |
| 02:24.39 | Mr_Rabies | ooh i installed it but had it disabled since it was acting a bit funky, lemme see what the new version has |
| 02:25.53 | Mr_Rabies | customer support button is still there :v |
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| 02:30.49 | WrathTECH | Yeah, you just have to go into Bartenders settings and disable the micro menu :) |
| 02:31.13 | WrathTECH | I had a blast figuring out the 3D player model. lol |
| 02:34.56 | Mr_Rabies | oh right |
| 02:40.47 | WrathTECH | :SetText(lagHome / 1000 .. "ms " .. frameRate .. "fps") Okay, I need to roud the output of "lagHome /1000* to only 2 decimal points, |
| 02:40.58 | WrathTECH | tried using the round function but just getting erros. |
| 02:45.47 | Seerah | WrathTECH: :SetText(string.format("%0.2dms %dfps", lagHome / 1000, frameRate)) |
| 02:46.30 | Neffi | I think you mean :SetText(string.format("%0.2fms %dfps", lagHome / 1000, frameRate)) ;) |
| 02:46.53 | Seerah | bah - I always forget the f for floating point instead of using d ><><>< |
| 02:47.54 | Neffi | Your versions is actually valid but will give him an integer |
| 02:48.00 | Seerah | yeah |
| 02:48.02 | WrathTECH | Perfection. Thank you Seerah, and Neffi |
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| 03:42.59 | Torhal | WrathTECH: Is that a FontString? |
| 03:43.30 | WrathTECH | Nope |
| 03:43.35 | Torhal | If so, use :SetFormattedText() instead of :SetText(string.format()) |
| 03:43.37 | Torhal | Ah, ok. |
| 03:44.02 | Torhal | Well, anyway, FontString:SetFormattedText() works the same, except it's done on the C side so it doesn't generate string garbage. |
| 03:44.36 | pompy | what was the small update to WoW today? |
| 03:44.40 | pompy | abvout 300 something indices |
| 03:44.44 | pompy | -v |
| 03:50.21 | Neffi | Torhal: What do you mean 'generate string garbage'? |
| 03:51.18 | Torhal | Not exactly garbage, since strings are immutable, but it certainly adds to the existing strings. SetFormattedText() gets rid of that addition; completely C-side. |
| 03:51.56 | Iriel | As long as you dont GetText afterwards, anyway |
| 03:51.57 | Torhal | It's useful because having a thousand permutations of the same string will increase your memory usage. |
| 03:52.01 | Torhal | Heh |
| 03:52.22 | Iriel | Itâs also useful because you avoid having to run zillions of one-off strings against the string table |
| 03:52.23 | Torhal | Never use Neffi:GetText() |
| 03:53.03 | Neffi | So it doesn't create a Lua string value |
| 03:53.06 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 03:53.33 | Neffi | It's useful because having a thousand permutations of the same string will increase your memory usage. <- well they would just be gc'd ;) |
| 03:53.54 | Neffi | I always wondered why the hell SetFormattedText existed but I never really thought about it |
| 03:53.54 | Iriel | Theyâd be GCâed /eventually/ |
| 03:54.08 | Neffi | In a scenario like WoW's UI, probably pretty quickly |
| 03:54.10 | Iriel | And the string table doesnât necessarily grow/shrink entirely in a single pass |
| 03:54.25 | Torhal | Yeah, they would, but it's like, an optimization thinger. And why not use it if it's available, especially when you're talking about something that could change value MANY times per second. |
| 03:54.25 | Iriel | And if you create âtoo manyâ, youâre looking at a slight pause while it takes care of business |
| 03:55.07 | Neffi | If you're generating that many strings that quickly, you should be reconsidering more than just :format()! |
| 03:55.33 | Torhal | Stop being obstinate and go eat a burrito. |
| 03:55.53 | Neffi | I dont have any burritos and it's midnight here and also I'm not hungry |
| 03:56.51 | Torhal | Fine. Stay obstinate, then. |
| 03:57.03 | Torhal | goes to read and possibly pass out. |
| 03:57.10 | Neffi | I wasn't obstinate to begin with |
| 03:57.18 | Neffi | I was just stating something! |
| 03:57.29 | Neffi | de-optimizes Torhal. |
| 03:57.37 | Torhal | s/stating/starting/ |
| 03:57.37 | Torhal | :D |
| 03:57.41 | Neffi | <_< |
| 03:57.48 | Neffi | wanders off to go shower. |
| 03:57.58 | Neffi | stops and pets several of Torhal's cats on his way out. |
| 04:02.08 | pompy | interrupts Torhal's reaading |
| 04:11.32 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://pastebin.com || 6.1.x ToC: 60100 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || Happy Birthday Mr. Seerah! |
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| 04:32.16 | WrathTECH | Just thought of a really evil april fools WoW prank. Make an addon that changes all font's to blank ttf files so when people login, they see absolutely no text anywhere. |
| 04:57.40 | Cairenn | Hah |
| 05:29.54 | Fisker | tired |
| 05:29.57 | Fisker | hug Cairenn |
| 05:30.05 | Fisker | also mr. seerah D: |
| 05:30.07 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 05:30.30 | Cairenn | Yeah, Seerah's hubby's birthday is today, so Mr. Seerah |
| 05:37.00 | Fisker | ah |
| 05:37.10 | Fisker | I'm not very awake :P |
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| 06:11.11 | Kalroth | fisker not an early bird? |
| 06:11.21 | Fisker | that's not it |
| 06:11.29 | Kalroth | birdbrain then |
| 06:11.47 | Kalroth | tweets |
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| 07:06.03 | VIad | what is the opposite of broadcom? I tried installing the WIDCOMM package but my computer probably has some other brand, but what could it be? sucky at bluetooth chipset brand names :P |
| 07:08.31 | Kalroth | realtek maybe? |
| 07:11.37 | VIad | think it's Intel actually |
| 07:12.12 | VIad | weird thing is home I got broadcom and it works perfect. detects my phone, that I can use my headset on the computer and call through the computer, e.g. but the intel one just detects I can browse the phone via ftp and that is it basically :P no features |
| 07:12.29 | VIad | gonna look for intel equivalent for "WIDCOMM" |
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| 08:07.02 | karl_w_w | why don't you just look at your motherboard's specs VIad |
| 08:14.08 | VIad | already saw intel, and the laptop came bundled with some drivers, and even updating them didnt fix much. need to probably install some additional package, but intel is a bit hard to navigate when you dont know exactly what you need |
| 08:15.12 | Mr_Rabies | my garona has scavenger and treasure hunting now, neat |
| 08:15.19 | Mr_Rabies | my, my, my, my |
| 08:15.21 | Mr_Rabies | my garona |
| 08:18.59 | Mr_Rabies | woo |
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| 08:20.45 | VIad | need 200 more tables, maybe lfr in 6.2 for me :p |
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| 08:21.21 | Mr_Rabies | what os, VIad |
| 08:21.35 | VIad | I am on a windows 81 laptop |
| 08:22.03 | VIad | just noticed that at home my bluetooth is broadcom and their package contains a lot of features, like I can use my headset on the pc and connect to the phone and answer calls like that |
| 08:22.03 | Mr_Rabies | it's not 100%, definitely for new stuff |
| 08:22.08 | Mr_Rabies | but you could try UKD http://www.halfdone.org/ukd/ |
| 08:22.30 | VIad | the intel drivers had like no features, just ftp and redundant old contact sync tech |
| 08:23.25 | VIad | the 1.4 betai s from 2003 |
| 08:23.32 | VIad | unsure how good support it has for 8.1 :P |
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| 08:24.09 | Mr_Rabies | theres one from 2007, but you'd be surprised |
| 08:24.17 | Mr_Rabies | it can pull vendor ID at the least most of the time |
| 08:27.40 | VIad | I'll look, but so far the device manager has recognized all the devices though. |
| 08:30.22 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, that's one issue with bluetooth stuff |
| 08:30.37 | Mr_Rabies | is unless you install the stack driver, sometimes it won't even appear in device manager |
| 08:36.45 | VIad | and I just updated the bluetooth driver from intel driver page |
| 08:36.47 | VIad | and nothing changed :( |
| 08:37.01 | VIad | like the connected device says it only has "remote control" service, nothing else |
| 08:37.09 | VIad | as if it doesn't expect more functionality |
| 08:37.23 | Mr_Rabies | bluetooth is a nightmare, at least in windows |
| 08:37.32 | VIad | worked much easier with broadcom though |
| 08:37.42 | Mr_Rabies | i can't imagine it being much better in linux, since linux driver support is usually severely lacking |
| 08:37.43 | VIad | just had to figure out they had their driver package, as the built in windows one sucks :P |
| 08:38.08 | VIad | sadly atm the intel one is not far from what windows comes bundled with so not much improvements |
| 08:38.26 | VIad | weird we still can't easily connect our phone and use our computer to control it via bluetooth |
| 08:38.29 | VIad | it's 2015 after all |
| 08:38.41 | VIad | broadcom so far only one that came closer to that goal :P |
| 08:38.55 | VIad | could buy usb dongle with broadcom on it to fix this issue |
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| 09:13.05 | karl_w_w | anyone know why today's date seems significant to me, other than steam sales starting? |
| 09:20.12 | Mr_Rabies | alleged start date of the trojan war? :v |
| 09:20.31 | Mr_Rabies | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_11 |
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| 13:18.34 | jleclanche | weren daggers and swords supposed to be in the same xmog category? |
| 13:19.07 | jleclanche | 1H in both cases |
| 13:20.14 | foxlit | it's based on animation sets. |
| 13:20.21 | jleclanche | how so? |
| 13:21.36 | jleclanche | i just found this absolutely beautiful thing in a crate and i cant xmog my dagger with it =( http://www.wowhead.com/item=118790 |
| 13:21.41 | foxlit | but maybe that's an old reason for why you couldn't transmog anything into anything. |
| 13:21.41 | Semlar | you attack differently with different items |
| 13:22.17 | foxlit | the reasoning was, I think, that transmogging changes the items appearance, but not the animations it uses, so to avoid you doing awkward things with weapons, they don't let you transmog across different animation sets. |
| 13:23.41 | Semlar | you also have moves that require daggers, and when you transmog them into giant swords the animation would look ridiculous, not that i have a problem with that |
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| 13:23.50 | foxlit | except bows/crossbows. Because hunters? |
| 13:23.53 | foxlit | /guns |
| 13:24.35 | Semlar | hunters also don't get to put shiny enchants on their weapons |
| 13:24.38 | jleclanche | i distinctly remember a patch saying that all weapons of the same "class" (1h/2h/ranged/wands) would be available in the same xmog set |
| 13:25.02 | Semlar | with the exception of daggers and fist weapons |
| 13:26.10 | Semlar | you have more choices than you used to, but you can't transmog anything into anything else you can equip in that slot |
| 13:26.15 | foxlit | http://wow.gamepedia.com/Transmogrification#Patch_changes |
| 13:27.11 | Semlar | personally i think i should be able to transmog ranged weapons into throwing weapons too |
| 13:27.46 | Semlar | harpoon people |
| 13:28.10 | p3lim | wow, reddit blew up |
| 13:28.19 | Semlar | good |
| 13:30.22 | Semlar | i don't know, it looks like it's still there |
| 13:30.24 | Semlar | i feel lied to |
| 13:30.45 | p3lim | https://www.reddit.com/r/all |
| 13:30.59 | p3lim | notice the content and the subs they are from |
| 13:31.08 | foxlit | step 1: do not go to r/all |
| 13:31.12 | foxlit | step 2: ??? |
| 13:37.07 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously profit. |
| 13:49.47 | pompy | zenzelezz: https://www.facebook.com/NASA/posts/10153318671156772 |
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| 14:48.01 | karl_w_w | somebody give me something to listen to that's not music |
| 14:48.14 | karl_w_w | an interesting podcast or something |
| 14:53.44 | karl_w_w | oh never mind there's a new cooptional |
| 15:01.38 | Semlar | foxlit: do you know if you can create your own slash command to show your secure frame in combat |
| 15:24.12 | Torhal | creates a slash command to show Neffi in combat. |
| 15:25.21 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.23 | foxlit | yes, no, but yes. |
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| 15:52.04 | Semlar | i see. |
| 15:52.54 | foxlit | you get what you asked for :) |
| 15:53.10 | foxlit | for rather obvious reasons, you cannot create a secure slashcmdhandler. |
| 15:53.13 | Semlar | how would one go about showing a secure frame in combat with a slash command other than /click |
| 15:53.20 | foxlit | Yet you can show/hide frames with /click |
| 15:54.12 | Semlar | oh well |
| 15:54.28 | foxlit | or you could fake the entire macro system to allow you to define whatever macro commands you want. |
| 15:54.50 | Semlar | i was thinking more along the lines of them typing it into the chat box |
| 15:55.20 | foxlit | if you're typing things into that boxes in combat, you're doing it wrong. |
| 15:55.21 | Semlar | i guess it's not that big of a deal |
| 15:55.33 | foxlit | if you're not in combat, you don't have a problem to begin with. |
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| 16:29.37 | karl_w_w | sometimes you're in combat with nothing to do |
| 16:30.08 | karl_w_w | like deathwing |
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| 17:00.14 | karl_w_w | steam sale time |
| 17:01.57 | karl_w_w | and man it's like they used my wishlist to decide what's on sale |
| 17:02.40 | karl_w_w | which sucks for them because I have no intention of buying most of the things on my wishlist yet |
| 17:14.39 | fewyn | nothing good for sale |
| 17:14.41 | fewyn | so yeah |
| 17:15.42 | karl_w_w | valkyria chronicles and ziggurat are good |
| 17:20.43 | fewyn | not that i should be spending money on video games |
| 17:20.58 | fewyn | i do have some sweet sweet steam wallet cash in my wallet though |
| 17:22.27 | karl_w_w | I'm sure something will come along in the next 10 days to change that |
| 17:30.50 | karl_w_w | 220k people playing the minigame and it won't let me in :P |
| 17:31.14 | karl_w_w | of course there's probably 800k other people who can't get in |
| 17:32.38 | bluspacecow | be beware |
| 17:32.40 | bluspacecow | dropbears |
| 17:32.44 | bluspacecow | dropbears everywhere |
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| 17:38.49 | karl_w_w | I got in and it doesn't work |
| 17:39.03 | karl_w_w | volvo please |
| 17:43.30 | pompy | kd3: nice red in san fran https://downdetector.com/status/comcast-xfinity/map/ |
| 17:44.09 | Semlar | this heat map makes these look a lot bigger than they are |
| 17:44.16 | pompy | zoom in |
| 17:44.21 | pompy | lol |
| 17:44.42 | Semlar | oh god, zoom out |
| 17:45.43 | Semlar | it covers everything! |
| 17:46.08 | Semlar | i feel like there's something wrong with the scaling here |
| 17:46.45 | pompy | ! |
| 17:47.25 | Semlar | oh it probably doesn't handle the scaling at all and thinks those points are next to each other |
| 17:48.02 | Semlar | so the farther you're zoomed out the denser the clusters are |
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| 18:14.20 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/pBonztI.jpg |
| 18:14.55 | bluspacecow | steam summer sale meows ? |
| 18:15.05 | bluspacecow | oh karl_w_w |
| 18:15.07 | bluspacecow | you must save me |
| 18:15.13 | bluspacecow | from the drop bears |
| 18:16.59 | karl_w_w | are you off your medication again bluspacecow? |
| 18:17.10 | bluspacecow | but |
| 18:17.12 | bluspacecow | drop bears |
| 18:17.13 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 18:22.03 | pompy | http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox-one-gamepad-be-included-every-oculus-rift-purchase/ |
| 18:23.27 | karl_w_w | whaaaat |
| 18:23.45 | karl_w_w | that's a load of bullshit |
| 18:23.55 | fewyn | bullshit? |
| 18:24.00 | fewyn | xbox controllers are nice |
| 18:24.09 | karl_w_w | I already have a controller which I prefer |
| 18:24.15 | fewyn | well use it? |
| 18:24.38 | Fisker | oculus sucks |
| 18:24.48 | karl_w_w | unless microsoft are literally donating them absolutely free for marketing, I'm going to have to pay more because it's included |
| 18:25.00 | karl_w_w | maybe I'll resell it |
| 18:25.17 | fewyn | they were always going to bundle a controller |
| 18:25.30 | Torhal | bundles Fisker. |
| 18:25.32 | fewyn | i don't see why they wouldn't |
| 18:25.46 | karl_w_w | sure, but rumour was they were working on a specific controller to suit VR |
| 18:25.55 | Fisker | get banned Torhal |
| 18:25.56 | fewyn | gotta love dem rumours |
| 18:25.59 | fewyn | maybe they still are |
| 18:26.05 | fewyn | but it won't be ready |
| 18:26.08 | fewyn | for consumer release |
| 18:26.09 | Torhal | Why b&, Fisker? |
| 18:26.15 | Fisker | why not? |
| 18:26.34 | Amarande | I wonder how Oculus Rift and the future of SteamOS are going to interact in particular, though |
| 18:26.35 | Torhal | Reasons. |
| 18:26.47 | fewyn | they won't valve has their own vr |
| 18:26.53 | fewyn | and they'll be all like |
| 18:26.58 | fewyn | SUCK THIS YOU NO WORK WITH OCULUS |
| 18:27.12 | Amarande | After all, Oculus Rift requires currently a Windows OS and a high end Nvidia card ... SteamOS, even though it started on Nvidia, is probably going to take an abrupt turn red soon |
| 18:27.18 | Semlar | tries to calm fewyn down |
| 18:27.29 | Amarande | it's weird, but it looks like AMD is about to become the golden boy on Linux for once |
| 18:27.33 | fewyn | i'm just a bit cranky i need food and caffiene |
| 18:27.44 | Torhal | tries to calm Semlar down with an elephant tranquilizer. |
| 18:27.44 | Semlar | coffee cake? |
| 18:27.47 | Amarande | the key to the whole thing being Vulkan |
| 18:27.55 | Semlar | an elephant never forgets torhal |
| 18:27.59 | Torhal | !!! |
| 18:28.00 | Semlar | or forgives |
| 18:28.04 | Amarande | Chiefly, the following three considerations |
| 18:28.30 | Amarande | one, Vulkan is supposed to be the successor to, but incompatible with, OpenGL, which stands to suggest it's probably going to be what gets used on future Linux game titles, the bread and butter of SteamOS/Linux Steam in general |
| 18:29.04 | Unkle | Torhal: Quit wasting that stuff on 'calming people down'. We're going to need it for BlizzCon parties. |
| 18:29.13 | Amarande | two, AMD has said they will support Vulkan on all Graphics Core Next based cards, including currently released ones (i.e., you can currently get an AMD card and as long as it's GCN, you won't need a new card to play Vulkan based games) |
| 18:29.17 | Torhal | :O |
| 18:29.24 | Amarande | three, Nvidia apparently is turning its nose up at Vulkan and plans to exclusively focus on DX12 |
| 18:29.41 | Amarande | which is going to make Nvidia go from hero to zero on Linux, which is based on OpenGL (so likely Vulkan, see #1) |
| 18:30.17 | Torhal | four, this is all wild speculation exactly like most shit you say in here. |
| 18:30.19 | Torhal | >.> |
| 18:30.19 | Torhal | <.< |
| 18:30.38 | Amarande | Torhal: actually, Nvidia has pretty much actively rejected basically every standard AMD invited them to join in on |
| 18:31.00 | Amarande | and usually counter attacks with a proprietary standard they spend lots of money on getting game devs to use and which runs like shit on AMD cards |
| 18:31.05 | Amarande | (see: GameWorks, HairWorks) |
| 18:31.09 | Torhal | Ok. Doesn't mean the Nvidia apocalypse on Linux, though. Speculation. |
| 18:31.45 | Amarande | But yeah, seeing that vulkan is not backwards compatible with opengl and is expected to replace the latter, that doesn't put nvidia in a very good position on linux unless they do decide to support it |
| 18:31.54 | bluspacecow | !!!!!! |
| 18:32.02 | bluspacecow | I get to meet Torhal in person this year ? |
| 18:32.16 | Torhal | If I go to BlizzCon, and you go to BlizzCon, and I don't hire snipers. |
| 18:32.18 | bluspacecow | *vibrates excitedly* |
| 18:33.08 | fewyn | it's going to be weird not going to blizzcon this year |
| 18:33.20 | Amarande | I think I'm going to be switching to AMD video cards again, in any case |
| 18:33.32 | Amarande | Come to think of it, the only reason I'm not currently on one is because of stupid Litecoin :( |
| 18:33.39 | fewyn | i prefer amd video cards |
| 18:33.47 | fewyn | i've always had trouble with nvidia ones |
| 18:33.57 | nebula169 | i've had the opposite experience |
| 18:34.10 | Amarande | yeah the only time I actually really preferred nvidia was at one point when AMD was going through a really awful time with its Linux driver on Debian in particular |
| 18:34.34 | nebula169 | every amd card i've tried in the 200~300$ range has been terrible |
| 18:34.55 | Amarande | for some reason, probably a kernel version specific one (how else was it an issue for literally years?), any time an X instance closed on fglrx (including things as simple as logging off), there would be an instant kernel panic |
| 18:35.13 | Amarande | hmmm |
| 18:35.22 | Amarande | heh, come to think of it, the amd card I had linux crashes on was in that price range |
| 18:35.36 | Amarande | (also, I'm not 100% sure I didn't still have that bad DIMM installed at the time ...) |
| 18:35.58 | Amarande | my next AMD card is going to be a $70 R7 240, though |
| 18:36.38 | Amarande | whose primarily purpose to purchase is that I need a *light* graphics card, so as to be able to use this PC right up till I move without having significant worries that the heavy graphics card will obliterate the mobo slot and possibly other parts of the pc |
| 18:37.16 | Amarande | (also I don't game much lately and I'd use the integrated graphics except this Xeon doesn't have them, and it would be silly to downgrade to a Pentium G just for integrated graphics at a similar price) |
| 18:38.09 | Amarande | or I should say, don't modern AAA game much, hence also the switch to linux :) |
| 18:38.47 | Amarande | also, this is what my PCI-E x16 slot looks like now ... http://imgur.com/cPJcHRO :( |
| 18:38.51 | Amarande | so yeah, heavy graphics card + moving = bad |
| 18:41.29 | karl_w_w | I've heard nvidia's drivers have been very hit and miss lately |
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| 18:45.43 | Amarande | karl_w_w: the trouble is this seems to be graphics card drivers in general :( |
| 18:45.59 | Amarande | pretty much goes back to the olden days, LOL |
| 18:46.17 | karl_w_w | amd's drivers are great |
| 18:46.21 | Amarande | ever since we had 2D/3D on a single GPU, it's been more or less an alternating horse race between "oh god, ATI's drivers suck" and "dude, Nvidia's drivers are crap" |
| 18:46.28 | karl_w_w | on the rare occasion that they happen to come out |
| 18:46.33 | Amarande | part of it is apparently the games devs, though |
| 18:47.15 | Amarande | instead of coding within the platform like in days of yore (or on consoles, which explains their general stability), they basically break shit on a regular basis and expect AMD and Nvidia to pick up the slack by revising the drivers |
| 18:47.29 | Amarande | hence why you get another 200MB driver download for every frickin AAA title that comes out pretty much |
| 18:48.11 | Amarande | ... which is another thing I can't say I miss from windows. when I went to install the nvidia drivers for my 770, I was told I had about 50MB to download, total, including the kernel headers and build essentials stuff that had to come with it since they weren't installed yet |
| 18:48.45 | Amarande | every single update for windows though you're forced to download the whole quarter-gig installer package anew, look ma no incremental update versions! |
| 19:19.49 | karl_w_w | http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/06/12/reports-murdoch-stepping-down.html and there was much rejoicing in the streets |
| 19:29.21 | karl_w_w | oh my god valve please, game works for like 10 seconds every 1 in 10 page refreshes |
| 19:30.21 | Torhal | refreshes karl_w_w. |
| 19:32.05 | karl_w_w | oh my god the game got reset |
| 19:32.16 | karl_w_w | ok it came back |
| 19:35.04 | bluspacecow | Anyone know what this means : http://www.vivendi.com/press/press-releases/vivendi-activision-blizzard-hedge-transaction/ |
| 19:35.35 | Amarande | karl_w_w: isn't it about two months and ten or eleven days too late for such an announcement? |
| 19:35.54 | karl_w_w | no idea |
| 19:36.29 | karl_w_w | Shirik should know bluspacecow, highlight him |
| 19:36.41 | bluspacecow | he got da twitters ? i wanna go sleepies |
| 19:36.56 | bluspacecow | nvm |
| 19:37.31 | bluspacecow | @Shiriki - Oh great and powerful Shirik please humble this retched servant with your wisedom : what is the significance of the event detailed at : http://www.vivendi.com/press/press-releases/vivendi-activision-blizzard-hedge-transaction/ |
| 19:38.53 | Outrider | from what I can tell (as a non SHiriki) Vivendi is expecting a drop in Blizzard stock |
| 19:39.06 | foxlit | how do you people fail so badly at reading? |
| 19:40.37 | Outrider | not sure what it matters though, Blizzard doesn't care about their stock so much afaik |
| 19:41.01 | Outrider | They jumped from 15 a trade to 20 just by announcing Diablo3 on the PS3 |
| 19:41.02 | foxlit | for a value of you people that doesn't include you people. |
| 19:42.29 | Outrider | am I you people foxlit ? :P |
| 19:44.16 | karl_w_w | I think valve underestimated how much training people have got from cookie clicker |
| 19:44.47 | karl_w_w | I still have a mouse button set to spam left click |
| 19:46.14 | karl_w_w | every 50ms |
| 19:47.01 | Amarande | hm, do activision blizzard stockholders actually still get dividends? |
| 19:47.19 | Amarande | a lot of corporations have stopped paying dividends in recent years |
| 19:47.24 | bluspacecow | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/tyrannosaur_crack |
| 19:47.38 | Amarande | ... which makes me *really* wonder why their stock changes in value, or even has any value, seeing that at that point you pretty much really are trading worthless pieces of paper, no? |
| 19:47.43 | bluspacecow | *feeds crack to dino* |
| 19:55.15 | karl_w_w | woo my team reached the boss |
| 20:01.05 | Amarande | there's a boss fight in cookie clicker? |
| 20:01.06 | Amarande | :) |
| 20:02.58 | g0urra | Fisker |
| 20:03.04 | karl_w_w | no, in the steam sale game |
| 20:07.54 | Amarande | speaking of cookie clicker, I wonder how large the Logitech, Microsoft, Razer, and Tt eSports sponsorship contributions are :) |
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| 20:12.55 | karl_w_w | I've managed to change my mouse speed by mistake and I don't know exactly what it was before |
| 20:13.40 | karl_w_w | now I move my mouse and it's seriously messing with my head because I'm so used to what it was before |
| 20:17.34 | Semlar | adapt! |
| 20:42.30 | VIad | is this for real? http://ss.bool.no/capture_1434055337.png |
| 20:42.36 | VIad | should it be possible? |
| 20:43.08 | Outrider | Amarande: Blizzard actually does profit sharing with all the employees based on their contributions for the year |
| 20:43.28 | Outrider | Amarande: as a consequence I believe (not certain) they don't pay dividends |
| 20:44.22 | Outrider | karl_w_w: you get used to it in a few days :) give it time. |
| 20:44.47 | Amarande | Outrider: ah |
| 20:44.54 | Amarande | yeah, like I said, I really don't get the point of non-dividend stock at all heh |
| 20:45.18 | Amarande | like, what's it inherently worth? you don't even need the company anymore at that point, except to make it legitimate that you're actually trading stock and not just random pieces of paper :) |
| 20:45.20 | Outrider | imo stock trading had a point before computers could automate trading in large intervals |
| 20:45.35 | Outrider | now the market is just flooded with useless evaluation trades rather than a person belief in a companys financial health |
| 20:45.59 | Amarande | as far as non-dividend stock is concerned, this eight of spades sitting on my desk has as much worth as such a share :P |
| 20:46.10 | Amarande | in fact, it has more worth |
| 20:46.16 | Amarande | because you can actually play cards with it |
| 20:46.21 | Amarande | which you can't do with stocks :) |
| 20:46.42 | Outrider | If you invested in Apple a year ago though, it would've nearly doubled in value |
| 20:46.47 | Unkle | Sure you can, but the rules resemble CalvinBall. |
| 20:47.00 | Amarande | Unkle: the game you are looking for is "1000 Blank White Cards", I believe :) |
| 20:47.23 | Unkle | No, the game I'm talking about is "give me all your money, fool." |
| 20:47.26 | Amarande | http://dh.elsewhere.org/discordian/bwcards.html/ |
| 20:47.53 | Amarande | Unkle: oh, you can do that in 1000 Blank White Cards, you just have to write a card that says so :D |
| 20:48.03 | Amarande | (To which the next player will write a card that counters it, of course, but ...) |
| 20:50.04 | Amarande | Outrider: yeah, computers are kinda making some things start to suck these days :( |
| 20:50.06 | Amarande | horse racing, too |
| 20:50.25 | Amarande | over the past 10-15 years or so it seems like favourites have been winning increasingly often |
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| 20:51.23 | Amarande | it's because computer analysis is good enough that pretty much you just bet what the past performance analysis in the Daily Racing Form tells you to, and you'll probably win (for a nice awesome profit of as little as five cents for each dollar risked!), so that's what everyone does :S |
| 20:52.02 | Amarande | heck, despite how infrequently the Triple Crown is hit, American Pharoah didn't even pay even money in the Belmont :P |
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| 21:00.32 | karl_w_w | steam web helper crashed |
| 21:00.56 | karl_w_w | too many clicks obviously |
| 21:01.12 | g0urra | karl_w_w: the mouse click macro bugged out and plays the mouse clicks even after I let go |
| 21:01.55 | karl_w_w | you mean your mouse keeps clicking? :P |
| 21:02.07 | g0urra | only in the game |
| 21:02.38 | g0urra | I've got 205k click damage though so it's cool |
| 21:03.22 | karl_w_w | holy shit my team got past level 10 and now we are just storming through |
| 21:04.01 | karl_w_w | how do you have so much damage |
| 21:04.50 | g0urra | level 150 cid, level 100 treebeast, level 125 ivan.. |
| 21:08.02 | karl_w_w | I don't even know what those things are :P |
| 21:08.46 | g0urra | 17,90k dps, 376k click damage |
| 21:08.55 | g0urra | 17,906* |
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| 21:22.48 | g0urra | Achievement Unlocked: Broken Mouse |
| 21:22.49 | g0urra | >_> |
| 21:24.29 | karl_w_w | all my friends are shown as being stuck on level 9 for some reason |
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| 21:28.37 | karl_w_w | g0urra, are the smaller monsters on the boss rounds supposed to respawn? |
| 21:28.47 | karl_w_w | after the boss is dead |
| 21:28.54 | g0urra | the what now |
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| 21:48.28 | karl_w_w | the uh, monsters |
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| 22:00.29 | g0urra | karl_w_w: you mean before the boss battles? |
| 22:00.55 | karl_w_w | no in the rest of the round after the boss dies |
| 22:01.08 | g0urra | isn't it the same boss? |
| 22:01.54 | g0urra | it lets you grind it if you want |
| 22:02.50 | karl_w_w | after the boss dies you have to kill all the other ones |
| 22:03.15 | g0urra | in the stages after it? what level are you on? |
| 22:03.22 | karl_w_w | 26 |
| 22:23.08 | Mr_Rabies | karl_w_w: how do you spam clicks :o |
| 22:23.41 | karl_w_w | for me it's just a macro on my mouse |
| 22:24.16 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 22:24.41 | Mr_Rabies | i'm mostly relying on the automatic stuff since clicking is kinda dumb in this in comparison to cookie clicker |
| 22:24.53 | Mr_Rabies | the automatic stuff doesn't scale based on clicking, it's totally seperate |
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| 22:32.38 | karl_w_w | but the automatic stuff is really crap :P |
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| 22:42.18 | Mr_Rabies | well yeah, compared to running a click script |
| 22:42.29 | Mr_Rabies | but my arm can only handle so much, and most of the time is gonna be spent not doing anything |
| 23:02.15 | karl_w_w | so I wonder why the loading screen is up to 97 |
| 23:02.47 | karl_w_w | just a joke about valve being allergic to the number 3 maybe |
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| 23:09.04 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 23:09.10 | Mr_Rabies | my game appears to be stalled at level 19 |
| 23:09.15 | Mr_Rabies | er 20 |
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| 23:15.09 | karl_w_w | after the boss is dead, all the other ones have to be dead at the same time |
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| 23:16.35 | Mr_Rabies | nothing's hp was going down |
| 23:17.23 | karl_w_w | oh, refresh the page |
| 23:17.32 | Mr_Rabies | have been, keeps not loading |
| 23:17.35 | Mr_Rabies | jeeez |
| 23:17.44 | karl_w_w | yeah, it gets like that |
| 23:17.44 | Mr_Rabies | steam's running worse than voat today :v |
| 23:17.52 | karl_w_w | there's also a memory leak under chrome |
| 23:18.13 | karl_w_w | (and steam uses chrome for its web) |
| 23:20.43 | karl_w_w | I've switched to after mode now, level 30 is super hard |
| 23:20.53 | karl_w_w | s/after/afk/ |
| 23:20.56 | karl_w_w | damn I need sleep |
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| 23:21.12 | znf | the hard part is to keep the server responding :D |
| 23:21.22 | znf | my team is lvl20 and dps is 0 now |
| 23:24.02 | Mr_Rabies | does uh |
| 23:24.25 | Mr_Rabies | anything kick in when you close the app that makes it run better than actively running it but not interacting, something to offset not being able to click? |
| 23:25.01 | karl_w_w | I don't think so |
| 23:25.04 | znf | pretty sure it's only the passive dps |
| 23:25.24 | karl_w_w | and in fact leaving it open is useful if only so you can click respawn |
| 23:25.32 | karl_w_w | passive death time is 5 minutes |
| 23:25.50 | karl_w_w | and I think you don't get gold for kills when you're dead, but I'm not sure |
| 23:26.55 | znf | I think you do |
| 23:29.24 | znf | wonder what's killing the games/servers |
| 23:29.37 | nevcairiel | people, loads of them |
| 23:30.13 | nevcairiel | predicting and testing load is hard |
| 23:30.54 | Amarande | yup znf. notice that basically every single MMOG has failed miserably to predict load accurately. |
| 23:31.19 | Amarande | either you get like FFXIV or D3 where the servers were harder to get into than Rao's for the first couple weeks |
| 23:31.39 | Amarande | or you end up like WoW or SW:TOR where a handful of servers go on to be successful and the rest are left in various stages of dying |
| 23:31.59 | Amarande | and then have to deal with clunky server mergers and all that jazz |
| 23:32.41 | znf | Amarande, http://i.imgur.com/7YmDBpU.gif |
| 23:34.07 | nevcairiel | Personally, I'm still impressed how fast Blizzard fixed WoD after the release, it only took them like two days to implement a new phasing thing and roll it out to all the realms. Even if this was already a concept they had prepared before, implementing and rolling it out in this time frame is still a nice feat |
| 23:34.51 | Amarande | phasing, wonder if it fixes those occasional unobtainium ore nodes :) |
| 23:39.33 | znf | nevermind Blizzard |
| 23:39.46 | znf | give fixed steam game |
| 23:39.47 | znf | :( |
| 23:41.03 | nevcairiel | go to sleep |
| 23:41.51 | foxlit | Semlar: https://go-hero.net/i/shroo.jpg |
| 23:42.02 | Semlar | :O |
| 23:42.04 | znf | it's dead :( http://i.imgur.com/ou2iz5s.png |
| 23:42.22 | Amarande | heh |
| 23:42.32 | Amarande | just how many times do they need to say 'error' to get people to understand it :) |
| 23:43.55 | znf | maybe theyr'e fixing it! |
| 23:45.18 | karl_w_w | https://steamstat.us/ It's dead jim |
| 23:45.34 | znf | woo |
| 23:47.52 | znf | back up |
