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| 00:24.27 | Iriel | 55,944! |
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| 01:50.46 | kullervo | my hobby in wow: Logging off on my alts in places where I wouldn't expect to find them |
| 01:53.49 | kullervo | and I'm such a dick about it too... "Hah, let's see him survive THAT fall" |
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| 03:55.15 | Fisker | strolls around |
| 03:56.36 | Fisker | programs an instruction that hugs Cairenn while strolling around |
| 03:56.45 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:56.49 | Cairenn | *hugs* |
| 03:57.01 | Fisker | :P |
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| 07:28.38 | Shirik | wtf |
| 07:28.46 | Shirik | I just got an email from amazon asking me to join their site "woot.com" |
| 07:28.49 | Shirik | when did that happen |
| 07:33.27 | nebula169 | when did amazon buy it? like 5 yrs ago or so |
| 07:33.34 | Shirik | really? |
| 07:33.54 | nebula169 | pretty sure it's been awhile |
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| 07:55.38 | PsyTech | There is still no API to tell you what realm you're currently phased on, correct? |
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| 09:16.14 | WrathTECH | Which file has the code to toggle the tradeskill frames? |
| 09:17.42 | Maldivia | doesn't it use standard ShowUIPanel code? that would be in UIParent then |
| 09:18.32 | Maldivia | otherwise, Blizzard_TradeSkillUI would be a good guess |
| 09:19.00 | WrathTECH | Yeah I tried just showing it. Threw an error. |
| 09:19.25 | Maldivia | what are you trying to do? |
| 09:19.56 | WrathTECH | Toggle each of the tradeskill frames. Part of platter Im implementing |
| 09:21.15 | Maldivia | your own trade skills, or guild ? |
| 09:21.58 | Semlar | you have to cast a spell to open your professions |
| 09:22.10 | Semlar | like /cast enchanting |
| 09:22.10 | WrathTECH | Own |
| 09:22.44 | nevcairiel | luckily they made an exception into the cast protection system and addons can actuall cast those spells without secure magic |
| 09:22.51 | WrathTECH | Ahh, ty Semlar, i was just trying to Toggle or dus Show() |
| 09:23.03 | WrathTECH | *use |
| 09:23.36 | Semlar | you might be able to just do CastSpellByName('enchanting') or something |
| 09:23.55 | WrathTECH | Iirc, being a button you have to hookscript, and not setscript, correct? |
| 09:24.52 | Semlar | you don't /need/ to use hookscript unless you don't want to overwrite an existing script if it has one |
| 09:25.22 | WrathTECH | Ahh I see, guess I didn't know that. |
| 09:26.17 | WrathTECH | LOL. Guess I should set it doto OnLCick and not OnEnter |
| 09:26.43 | Semlar | if you're inheriting from a template it might already have a script set that you want to keep but other than that it doesn't matter |
| 09:27.56 | WrathTECH | CastSpellByName("archaeology") |
| 09:28.04 | WrathTECH | Works great |
| 09:36.32 | WrathTECH | Out of curiosity, is a 7.8mb addon too big, or is it fine, I don't really want to loswer the texture sizes due to 4K resolutions. |
| 09:37.27 | Semlar | the last time i looked at your addon you had a 5mb mp3 file in it |
| 09:37.54 | Semlar | compressed |
| 09:38.11 | WrathTECH | Believe thats just the power of the horde song, which after beta will be moved to the built-in client version. |
| 09:38.57 | WrathTECH | I just like having a little more structure initially, especially when learning new code. |
| 09:42.34 | WrathTECH | And seems my profession buttons are loading before the game loads my professions. : / |
| 10:20.55 | Gnarfoz | that can happen with a lot of things. you should probably move all your initialization stuff out of the main block. |
| 10:21.29 | Gnarfoz | (into a block that only runs when the stuff you want to touch is actually available) |
| 11:04.52 | WrathTECH | Gnarfoz: I understand what you're saying, but not sure how one goes about doing that. |
| 11:06.41 | WrathTECH | http://pastebin.com/LfNbbCTC is my current code for the proffession buttons |
| 11:07.42 | Maldivia | very localization unfriendly :D |
| 11:08.09 | WrathTECH | Of course, I haven't even gotten into that part yet : / |
| 11:08.51 | WrathTECH | Willing to be 99" of my addon isn't LOL |
| 11:09.05 | Gnarfoz | WrathTECH: at the very least, wait for ADDON_LOADED for your addon before you run anything at all; if you have trouble with specific stuff only being available even later than that, encapsulate them in their own parts and run them after checking if the stuff IS available |
| 11:10.01 | WrathTECH | Suppose that would be requiring an registerevetn:Addon_Loaded for each button. |
| 11:10.29 | Maldivia | no, just once, and then run your code from that instead |
| 11:11.51 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 11:12.24 | Gnarfoz | (in the case of tradeskills, maybe waiting for an http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/TRADE_SKILL_UPDATE event might be wise -- no idea when that *actually* fires, though. just going by the name. ) |
| 11:13.15 | Gnarfoz | sadly the whole "what's available when" flow is not really transparent... and has changed over the years, too, so even when you go looking for docs, they might be outdated |
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| 12:25.24 | WrathTECH | What was that event that I should be registering? I dozed off and my irc timed out |
| 12:51.57 | WrathTECH | Was soemthing about reisgeringecent tradeskill update loging, or something. Can't find it on google, whatever it was. |
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| 13:13.34 | karl_w_w | CRUSH THE DUCK! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihm1orpbUb8 |
| 13:18.45 | WrathTECH | I suppose it should help if I would stop with all the typos |
| 13:19.15 | WrathTECH | Was something about reisgeringevent tradeskill update login or something. Can't find it on google, whatever it was. |
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| 14:33.45 | p3lim | What is the xml equivalent of SetWordWrap? |
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| 14:36.29 | Semlar | wordwrap maybe |
| 14:40.14 | Semlar | gently pats p3lim |
| 14:41.32 | mikma | you're such a nice guy, semlar |
| 14:41.59 | Semlar | :D |
| 14:43.38 | znf | he's going to be even nicer when he finishes my nameplates |
| 14:43.47 | Semlar | umm |
| 14:43.55 | Semlar | hides |
| 14:46.21 | p3lim | hugs Semlar |
| 14:46.43 | Semlar | dies |
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| 16:08.45 | VIad | why layoffs + http://ffxiv.zam.com/story.html?story=36135 ? |
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| 16:18.34 | nevcairiel | need to clear out the old cruft before hiring new ideas |
| 16:41.41 | karl_w_w | do they get new ones at Crufts? |
| 16:49.42 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.58 | Fisker | A grid? |
| 16:50.57 | foxlit | would a uniform one be too much to ask for? |
| 16:51.14 | Semlar | yes |
| 16:51.23 | Fisker | Why would an uniformed grid be better? |
| 16:52.12 | foxlit | because then geneva conventions would apply. |
| 16:52.37 | Semlar | rounds foxlit's pixels |
| 16:53.22 | foxlit | but suppose I wanted to make it uniform, Semlar. |
| 16:53.33 | foxlit | how many goats do I have to sacrifice here? |
| 16:54.28 | foxlit | (hm, or maybe I could apply slightly random rotations to each cell and call it a ransom note instead of a grid.) |
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| 16:57.10 | Unkle | station! |
| 16:57.15 | foxlit | "API GetScreenWidth: Returns the width of the window in pixels." << yeah, right. |
| 16:58.06 | Semlar | i do have a function i use for positioning nameplates along "pixel boundaries" or whatever to keep them from screwing up the pixel borders |
| 16:59.33 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.16 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.45 | foxlit | it should be very self explanatory |
| 17:01.35 | foxlit | first we need to figure out how many actual pixels there are, where they are relative to the current scaled coordinate system, and then round an anchor to the nearest/next pixel boundary. |
| 17:01.40 | VIad | bah! you expect precision? |
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| 17:03.09 | foxlit | I expect it to not look like crap. |
| 17:03.39 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.10 | foxlit | easier problem, Semlar. |
| 17:04.11 | Semlar | i had loads of fun trying to get scrollframes to not jiggle vertically if you move them |
| 17:04.22 | Semlar | seems to be impossible |
| 17:04.42 | VIad | why not just make pixels act like pixels? |
| 17:04.50 | VIad | seems to me this has been an issue in wow for ever |
| 17:05.06 | foxlit | because I have a 2560x1600 monitor and your laptop doesn't. |
| 17:05.08 | VIad | also wouldn't hurt to perhaps specifically turn off antialiasing on widgits either |
| 17:05.10 | Semlar | because your monitor has a different number of pixels than it's displaying |
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| 17:06.11 | VIad | just use the viewport size, screw screen size |
| 17:07.25 | VIad | even if the game doesn't use the full screen size why would it make grids look crap? it should just use what ever rendering area it has available |
| 17:09.18 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1433783357.png |
| 17:09.21 | VIad | look at this shit :p |
| 17:09.31 | VIad | screw that particular line of pixels |
| 17:10.24 | VIad | other games can manage it, why not wow? |
| 17:11.21 | zenzelezz | which line is that? The lighter thing on the lefT? |
| 17:11.45 | Semlar | there are at least 3 missing lines in that picture |
| 17:12.20 | VIad | :p |
| 17:12.28 | VIad | far left one is supposed to be invisible |
| 17:12.30 | VIad | but yeah |
| 17:13.10 | Semlar | there should be a horizontal one cutting the tall cells in half and a vertical one dividing the large cells on the left |
| 17:13.19 | zenzelezz | the "virtual resolution" can be tedious |
| 17:14.49 | VIad | would be better if they just render on what ever space is available and not try to compensate for window border or what ever |
| 17:15.05 | VIad | we can just move the UI properly in view if we dont want stuff to display outside of our view |
| 17:17.14 | VIad | for example atm I set the game to 1920x1080 |
| 17:17.27 | VIad | if it just rendered at that and ignored anything else, it would be fine :D |
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| 17:19.10 | Semlar | the game has a vertical resolution of 768 |
| 17:19.22 | Semlar | that it just stretches to whatever the size of the window is |
| 17:20.19 | Semlar | combine that with the ui scale and you end up with in-game pixels not matching screen pixels |
| 17:20.43 | VIad | ugh |
| 17:20.48 | VIad | but that was like in vanilla |
| 17:20.57 | VIad | I hoped for improvements with the engine reworked for wod |
| 17:21.29 | Semlar | i don't know how else they would do it |
| 17:21.48 | VIad | render at viewport size |
| 17:22.06 | VIad | with the video edges touching top/bottom on the insides |
| 17:22.20 | VIad | i.e. you get rendered on the sides, but you can compensate by moving your ui around a bit |
| 17:22.32 | VIad | you'd achieve nice pixels |
| 17:22.43 | VIad | some games do that and seems to work |
| 17:22.50 | Semlar | except the ui would still be scaled |
| 17:23.35 | VIad | as long the pixels are constant |
| 17:23.44 | VIad | scale doesn't mean suddenly a line of pixels disappears |
| 17:23.52 | VIad | then its not scaled properly :( |
| 17:24.06 | Semlar | how exactly do you draw 1.5 pixels |
| 17:24.11 | VIad | you don't |
| 17:24.27 | VIad | you draw 1x1 everywhere and instead cut when the rendering area ends |
| 17:24.34 | VIad | instead of trying to cram it all in the rendering area |
| 17:24.38 | Semlar | if the ui is scaled, your perfect pixels turn into fractions |
| 17:25.00 | WrathTECH | May I ask someone to give me a great sample of how I should register an event to this? Been working on it for hours now and just can't get it to work -->http://pastebin.com/umMSRd59 |
| 17:25.20 | VIad | WrathTECH: I'd use a for loop |
| 17:25.25 | WrathTECH | Even with TRADE_SKILL_UPDATE, nada |
| 17:25.27 | VIad | this is like coding from 1980 |
| 17:26.02 | VIad | you have a constant of 5 professions, use a smart structure (table) for that info and use for loops to draw your stuff :p |
| 17:26.13 | WrathTECH | The issues atmis that logging in it's not getting the profession info, until a reload ui happens. |
| 17:26.26 | VIad | because the code can't run before PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 17:26.43 | VIad | you need to run your function to do this when PLAYER_LOGIN occurs |
| 17:27.02 | Semlar | pretty sure that was suggested like 4 hours ago |
| 17:27.10 | foxlit | I'm pretty sure the answer is goat sacrifice and moon calendars. |
| 17:27.15 | VIad | http://wow.gamepedia.com/AddOn_loading_process#Order_of_events_fired_during_loading |
| 17:27.42 | WrathTECH | Semlar: Please, I have been trying everything, about to pull my hair out here. |
| 17:27.44 | VIad | just don't use any example code on wowpedia/wowwiki as it is from the 1950s |
| 17:27.59 | VIad | if you do you will be using xml only |
| 17:28.05 | VIad | seems like people love xml on the wiki |
| 17:28.27 | WrathTECH | Yeah not a huge fan of XML atm |
| 17:28.35 | Semlar | xml is making a renaissance |
| 17:28.49 | VIad | xml sucks |
| 17:28.52 | VIad | json anyday |
| 17:29.04 | VIad | xml is 20% bloat for data transfer if not more |
| 17:29.07 | VIad | ugh it's horrible! |
| 17:29.23 | VIad | xml structured web services |
| 17:29.34 | Semlar | it's not horrible when the system is optimized for it |
| 17:29.50 | VIad | when would xml ever > json? |
| 17:29.52 | WrathTECH | Can't be any worse then my 1980's programming lol |
| 17:29.57 | Shirik | how about we stop pretending like json is the answer to everything |
| 17:30.00 | Shirik | use the right tool for the right job |
| 17:30.01 | VIad | for data transmition ofc |
| 17:30.08 | Shirik | sometimes the correct answer is ASN.1 |
| 17:30.13 | foxlit | no, this is fine. |
| 17:30.46 | Shirik | sadly there is a json encoding rules for asn.1 but I don't think it's actually taken off |
| 17:30.46 | VIad | there is a reason we dont write webpages in json, true |
| 17:30.49 | foxlit | people bashing on technology for silly reasons is a good indicator of whose opinions are entirely irrelevant. |
| 17:31.22 | WrathTECH | 3 monitors, still running out of screen estate : / |
| 17:31.24 | VIad | but if you use xml to transfer data from the server to the clients, you have a lot of overhead, json has less overhead |
| 17:31.43 | Shirik | VIad: that argument is like saying "standing on the sun is fine because you could instead be standing in a black hole" |
| 17:31.44 | VIad | xml was good when it was made, it filled a demand back in the 1990s |
| 17:31.51 | nevcairiel | overhead isnt all that important for many use-cases |
| 17:31.52 | Semlar | after trying to make a sufficiently complicated ui in lua i've decided xml templates aren't really all that bad |
| 17:32.03 | Shirik | If overhead is really your concern you should actually be using something like asn.1/per |
| 17:32.10 | Shirik | not json |
| 17:32.32 | nevcairiel | go binary if overhead is a problem =p |
| 17:32.32 | VIad | if you take the dbc files and convert them to a xml structure and then json you'd see a lot of difference in size |
| 17:32.40 | Shirik | nevcairiel: well asn.1 packed is binary :P |
| 17:32.48 | zenzelezz | it can be |
| 17:32.54 | zenzelezz | also, I hate ASN.1 |
| 17:32.56 | VIad | though csv would probably be better in that scenario |
| 17:33.03 | Shirik | zenzelezz: PER is always binary |
| 17:33.18 | zenzelezz | PER, yes. ASN.1, not necessarily |
| 17:33.21 | WrathTECH | Yes, ty, player_login did it. |
| 17:33.22 | foxlit | http://www.mongodb-is-web-scale.com is clearly relevant. |
| 17:33.28 | Shirik | well I specifically said asn.1/per :P |
| 17:33.46 | zenzelezz | you said "packed", but I misread it |
| 17:33.51 | Shirik | anyway |
| 17:33.54 | Shirik | why the hate for asn.1 :( |
| 17:34.09 | VIad | WrathTECH: I know |
| 17:34.19 | Shirik | I think it suffers from the same fate as C++. Some people that know way too much about it have decided to use its absolutely most complex features and so it looks a lot more complicated than it is. |
| 17:34.27 | Shirik | for simple data structures it's very easy. |
| 17:34.28 | WrathTECH | Stfu. ROFL i r learning xD |
| 17:34.30 | VIad | rule of thumb: player_login if you need to read anything from the game |
| 17:34.38 | VIad | addon_loaded when you need to read your savedvariables |
| 17:34.54 | zenzelezz | Shirik: because "here's our spec that's mostly ENV-1545-1998. Here's a little bit of its ASN.1. We're not going to go into the details of what we changed" |
| 17:35.03 | zenzelezz | not ASN.1's fault, but it still makes me bitter :D |
| 17:35.11 | Shirik | :P |
| 17:36.14 | Shirik | the only protocol that REALLY annoys me is protocol buffers |
| 17:36.29 | Torhal | [09:11:56] <@Torhal>WrathTECH: Look at AckisRecipeList_QuickScan <-- 3.5 hours ago. :P |
| 17:36.43 | Shirik | because I'm pretty sure either google didn't know about ASN.1 at the time, or they just felt like "we're google so we have to do it differently" so they reinvented ASN.1 |
| 17:36.44 | Fisker | Hey Shirik |
| 17:36.45 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't call ASN.1 a protocol, though I guess it's a definition thing |
| 17:36.50 | Shirik | sure |
| 17:36.53 | Fisker | Hey Torhal |
| 17:36.55 | Shirik | I'm not really sure what to call it |
| 17:37.06 | Shirik | specification language? |
| 17:37.07 | Torhal | Hey Fisker |
| 17:37.08 | Torhal | Metal? |
| 17:37.16 | WrathTECH | I looked at that Torhal, couldn't make any sense of it. May have been the fatigue kicking in. |
| 17:37.24 | Fisker | No metal |
| 17:37.37 | zenzelezz | Shirik: I'm Norwegian, so I don't always get English words right - don't take my doubt about the word to mean it's wrong :D |
| 17:37.47 | VIad | WrathTECH: try coding a LOD addon (load on demand) |
| 17:37.48 | Shirik | honestly I think you're right |
| 17:37.56 | VIad | and learn how to detect events :D |
| 17:37.57 | Torhal | WrathTECH: function QuickScan:PLAYER_LOGIN() |
| 17:38.07 | Shirik | ASN.1 isn't strictly a protocol, it's a message definition system |
| 17:38.09 | Torhal | I didn't mean just scan over it. LOOK AT IT. :D |
| 17:38.15 | WrathTECH | Lol, yeah, give me a few addons to try a lod addon. >.> |
| 17:38.28 | Shirik | the encoding rules make it part of a protocol, but still don't really specify how to send it |
| 17:38.29 | VIad | joked don't events are weird you'd fail |
| 17:38.49 | VIad | place commas where needed |
| 17:38.59 | WrathTECH | like, this? |
| 17:39.06 | WrathTECH | lol |
| 17:39.16 | VIad | btw saw an addon recently that used VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 17:39.19 | VIad | I cried a bit |
| 17:39.25 | VIad | was "new" for wod |
| 17:39.29 | VIad | can't remember what it was |
| 17:39.46 | Semlar | you use variables_loaded when dealing with cvars |
| 17:40.07 | zenzelezz | Shirik: I think another part of why I "hate" ASN.1 is because the spec I'm working with lists fields in 0-x order, where bit x in the bitmask actually refers to the field labelled 0; but I don't know if that's just this spec |
| 17:41.00 | zenzelezz | took a little messing around before I found out about that for sure |
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| 17:42.02 | WrathTECH | Torhal: Maybe I should get checked for ADHD. lol |
| 17:48.27 | VIad | Semlar: how would you design a LOD addon to read events? |
| 17:48.43 | VIad | I had issues when you never know if your LOD loads after or before the event you want has fired |
| 17:48.59 | nevcairiel | if you depend on certain events from early in the loading process, dont be LoD |
| 17:49.18 | Semlar | um just check the conditions when your addon loads and if they haven't been met register the event |
| 17:49.19 | VIad | I once experienced an issue, where I made a LOD addon that loaded with the Pet Journal |
| 17:49.27 | nevcairiel | for things like PLAYER_LOGIN there are also APIs like IsPlayerLoggedIn or something like that |
| 17:49.29 | VIad | but someone else made an addon to just LOAD the journal as his addon loaded |
| 17:49.34 | VIad | so that messed up stuff... |
| 17:50.20 | VIad | coding etiquette: never LOAD LOD addons on the behalf of the player |
| 17:50.43 | VIad | would avoid the issue I experienced |
| 17:50.52 | Semlar | you should handle that event anyway because you can't control it |
| 17:50.57 | VIad | I fixed it by making my addon not LOD anymore but it ruins the point of LOD when others can mess it up for you |
| 17:51.25 | VIad | long time ago, I just remember there was an issue |
| 17:51.28 | nevcairiel | A LOD addon should be capable of loading at any time, since you dont know when the load is going to be |
| 17:51.38 | nevcairiel | if it isnt, then your LOD addon is falwed |
| 17:51.40 | nevcairiel | flawed* |
| 17:52.01 | VIad | well |
| 17:52.45 | VIad | isnt the first flaw making your addon load another LOD addon in the first palce? |
| 17:52.54 | VIad | defeats the purpose of LOD if you just load it anyway |
| 17:53.07 | nevcairiel | not necessarily, sometimes that makes sense |
| 17:54.03 | VIad | would you be happy if I made an addon that you used, that loads every module in DBM/bigwigs to alter the modules? like at loading phase |
| 17:54.08 | VIad | you'd probably not enjoy the extra loading :p |
| 17:54.28 | VIad | in that case my addon would be instantly deleted for bloat/crap coding |
| 17:54.53 | VIad | what gives someone else the right to load LOD addons on your behalf? |
| 17:55.08 | Semlar | when they need to do something that requires loading the other addon |
| 17:55.10 | VIad | I dunno, but you should let the player decide |
| 17:55.20 | nevcairiel | Arguing why someone elses addon is bad is a cheap way to avoid the glaring flaws in your own code =P |
| 17:55.27 | VIad | or you can make your own addon LOD and just do your stuff when it loads? |
| 17:55.58 | VIad | "but it was hard making my addon create secure frames if blizzards addon loads in combat, so I just made it load when my addon loads at login!" |
| 17:55.59 | nevcairiel | The fact remains that LoD addons should be able to load at any time. You cannot dictate when said "demand" is going to be |
| 17:56.05 | VIad | I'd say that was the cheap way out and not the proper way |
| 17:56.12 | nevcairiel | its not hard, its impossible |
| 17:56.41 | VIad | you can wait for combat to end then do your stuff, and instead let the player decide with an option to load the addon at login or not |
| 17:56.41 | nevcairiel | if you need secure execution, and its possible that your addon may be loaded in combat, then you are screwed |
| 17:56.58 | nevcairiel | what if the addon might be needed in combat already |
| 17:57.05 | nevcairiel | users would complain that it wasnt loaded properly yet |
| 17:57.19 | VIad | you'd have an option to turn on and load at login |
| 17:57.25 | VIad | so no complaints |
| 17:57.34 | nevcairiel | no, you would make sure it always works without users having to find some bizzare option |
| 17:57.39 | VIad | or make it on by default and allow the user to turn it off |
| 17:58.25 | nevcairiel | and no sane author puts in a option that saves 2kb of memory at the expense of his addon not working in a bunch of cases |
| 17:58.32 | nevcairiel | you are just making excuses for your lazy addon :P |
| 17:59.25 | VIad | LOD exists to save loading times by not having to load weird addons like mount journal or pet UI or achievements, e.g. at login |
| 17:59.30 | VIad | instead you load them when needed |
| 17:59.48 | VIad | but if you screw that and just load everything at login you screw over a lot of users with crap computers too |
| 17:59.55 | VIad | and add more loading times |
| 18:00.01 | VIad | how is that good for the user? |
| 18:00.26 | nevcairiel | its better then an addon they installed, and therefor want to use, not working at all |
| 18:00.32 | VIad | with a choice like an option you can have it on by default but let the user decide if they truly want your addon to load stuff during login or keep the default behavior |
| 18:00.48 | VIad | I dont see how that is a bad thing |
| 18:01.06 | nevcairiel | you are just being silly because you are too stubborn to admit that there are valid usecases, is all |
| 18:01.13 | nevcairiel | leaves for more productive endavours |
| 18:01.15 | VIad | there are with secure frames |
| 18:01.38 | VIad | there are exceptions, just can't think of any regarding the pet journal that needs to load asap and can't wait :p |
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| 18:01.56 | nevcairiel | fact remains, your addon was broken for not supporting such a load condition, no matter if you consider anything else broken or not |
| 18:02.06 | VIad | I fixed it |
| 18:02.14 | Semlar | well, i know something i did a long time ago required the pet journal to be loaded first but i don't remember what it was |
| 18:02.18 | VIad | but at that point it became a normal addon, not LOD :p |
| 18:02.50 | VIad | shrug |
| 18:03.14 | Semlar | i do know the pet journal made working with companions a clusterfuck because of the filtering |
| 18:03.27 | VIad | isnt it still "broken" like that? |
| 18:03.30 | VIad | oh |
| 18:03.33 | VIad | they fixed it in wod no? |
| 18:03.42 | Semlar | i doubt it |
| 18:03.45 | VIad | I remember my mount had the same index regardless of what search/filters I used |
| 18:03.56 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.09 | VIad | 446 is mammoth, 33 is water strider for me |
| 18:04.18 | VIad | been like that all the time, except if I learn a new mount :P |
| 18:04.29 | VIad | but the UI doesn't alter these indexes |
| 18:05.41 | karl_w_w | finally, a realistic donation goal http://www.twitch.tv/sing_sing |
| 18:06.11 | VIad | donation goal where? |
| 18:06.20 | VIad | ah |
| 18:06.24 | VIad | in the video |
| 18:06.34 | VIad | 726$ is cheap for the moon |
| 18:07.26 | VIad | on another subject, what is your take on trailers? |
| 18:07.47 | VIad | I myself avoid trailers at all cost, I prefer to watch stuff I want to watch without any spoilers. |
| 18:08.29 | nevcairiel | i go to the cinema quite often, so its just movie trailers i watch, and those usually dont give away much (if any) of the movies plot |
| 18:08.39 | Semlar | how do you know whether you want to watch it if you haven't seen any trailers |
| 18:09.00 | Semlar | what i can't stand are previews of the next episode of something you're currently watching |
| 18:09.11 | VIad | usually they write a very short description on imdb and that is usually enough for me to figure out if I'd like it or not |
| 18:09.32 | VIad | I look at the poster, I look at the actors, I look at the genre, I look at the short paragraph and I decide |
| 18:09.40 | VIad | trailers are a too large gamble |
| 18:09.50 | VIad | many spoil too much and make the movie less enjoyable for me |
| 18:10.10 | VIad | same goes for the promos, Semlar |
| 18:10.14 | VIad | I got the same attitude |
| 18:10.18 | VIad | especially a promo |
| 18:10.22 | VIad | if you already watch a series |
| 18:10.26 | VIad | I dont need to know the next episode |
| 18:10.29 | VIad | I am going to watch it :p |
| 18:10.30 | Semlar | i don't think i've ever seen a trailer that actually ruined a movie that i watched |
| 18:11.20 | VIad | for example the amazing spider man trailers combined were 25 minutes of plot before it even hit the cinema :p |
| 18:11.44 | karl_w_w | the only reason I watch a trailer is to find out what sort of movie it is |
| 18:11.49 | Semlar | well don't watch 25 different trailers |
| 18:11.50 | VIad | someone made that 25 min "movie" of the trailers and you kind of saw the whole movie if you watched just that :P |
| 18:11.51 | karl_w_w | the tone of it, if you will |
| 18:12.04 | VIad | what about interstellar? |
| 18:12.13 | VIad | the trailer spoils like 4 things... |
| 18:12.15 | karl_w_w | rotten tomatoes decides a lot of my watching material |
| 18:12.17 | VIad | important things too mind you |
| 18:12.30 | VIad | can I say what they were? |
| 18:12.33 | VIad | or will I spoil you |
| 18:12.48 | Semlar | i've never heard of it so i doubt you'll be spoiling anything |
| 18:12.56 | Semlar | but i'm not the only one here |
| 18:13.09 | VIad | I can make a link |
| 18:13.10 | VIad | on pastey |
| 18:13.11 | VIad | :p |
| 18:13.26 | karl_w_w | or he could just watch the trailer |
| 18:14.01 | karl_w_w | witcher 3 = side quest simulator |
| 18:15.25 | VIad | Semlar: http://pastebin.com/j0vMsSD3 spoiler for Interstellar |
| 18:15.39 | VIad | what the trailer showed |
| 18:15.52 | VIad | karl_w_w: skyrim is also side quest simulator |
| 18:16.34 | nevcairiel | just do what i do, and just look at the funky pictures in trailers and dont try to pay attention to any story parts |
| 18:17.19 | VIad | my trailer tolerance is too low so I avoid it like clamydia |
| 18:17.23 | Semlar | i just stay home |
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| 18:18.45 | Semlar | if they can ruin something with a trailer then be thankful they saved you all that time you would have spent watching the movie |
| 18:18.58 | VIad | no but the movie can be good |
| 18:19.01 | VIad | and very enjoyable |
| 18:19.20 | VIad | if I just dont know that the first act is waste because there is no suspense, because the crap trailer showed me they make it or what ever :p |
| 18:19.24 | karl_w_w | anything can be spoiled with a trailer |
| 18:19.50 | Semlar | find a trailer that spoiled a movie worth watching |
| 18:20.01 | VIad | I myself enjoyed interstellar a lot |
| 18:20.08 | VIad | saw the trailer after just to see how much they spoiled |
| 18:20.11 | VIad | and I facepalmed :p |
| 18:20.20 | karl_w_w | interstellar is worth watching |
| 18:20.28 | VIad | just not the trailer |
| 18:20.39 | VIad | unless you don't care knowing more than you should |
| 18:21.01 | VIad | but its silly. you never read important parts of a book you plan to read, logic? just short text to describe what it is about is enough to get you reading |
| 18:21.10 | VIad | if you dont like the book after some chapters you can always put it down |
| 18:21.21 | VIad | same goes with movies. just go and see if you like it, if not walk out no harm done |
| 18:21.38 | Semlar | it's not the same with movies because there's more to a movie than its plot |
| 18:21.46 | VIad | graphics |
| 18:21.47 | VIad | explosions |
| 18:21.49 | VIad | excitement! |
| 18:22.43 | nevcairiel | VIad you fail, watching the trailer after the movie is obviously going to make it obvious which scenes are used in there, but if you watch it first, its unlikely to actually give you enough information to destroy the entire movie for you =p |
| 18:23.16 | nevcairiel | If you go and watch the trailer under the premise to find what it "spoiled", then you are obviously biased to find every single scene and consider the entire movie spoiled |
| 18:24.01 | VIad | then I do the right thing by not watching any trailers and just enjoying the movie :D |
| 18:25.09 | VIad | there is a reason I stopped watching trailers nevcairiel |
| 18:25.16 | VIad | I felt it ruined some good movies for me |
| 18:25.32 | nevcairiel | i should watch a few trailers and give you a summary |
| 18:26.01 | VIad | I dont understand why this isnt good enough? |
| 18:26.02 | VIad | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1631867/ |
| 18:26.08 | VIad | read the paragraph under the poster :D |
| 18:26.17 | VIad | usually what I go after when deciding what I want to watch |
| 18:26.31 | VIad | eliminates the whole trailer showing you perhaps a bit too much from the movie |
| 18:26.40 | nevcairiel | i dont go out of my way to find trailers and watch them, but I also don't mind seeing them in the cinema |
| 18:27.36 | VIad | for me knowing there will be a showdown between two characters at some location is kind of a spoiler, for instance if there is tension before the showdown you can see "oh this isnt like in the trailer" so it takes out a bit of excitement because shit won't go down... yet |
| 18:29.26 | VIad | edge of tomorrow had a small scene that in the movie was a surprise but in the trailer it shows you so no surprise for you if you saw the trailer :D |
| 18:29.45 | WrathTECH | Has anyone had a button get suck in the down state after dragging it? |
| 18:29.50 | VIad | also over 2min trailer is a bit long, ugh |
| 18:33.38 | VIad | WrathTECH: you could, on your drag stop event, force the button to reset state |
| 18:33.53 | VIad | ideally it should not work during your dragging if you ask me |
| 18:34.29 | Semlar | he's probably overwriting whatever it normally does on release |
| 18:34.45 | VIad | if he uses a template also matters |
| 18:34.49 | VIad | and what kind of button it is, e.g. |
| 18:35.32 | WrathTECH | http://pastebin.com/Bxv9Mu1h |
| 18:39.19 | WrathTECH | Adding self:SetButtonState("Normal") to the OnDragStop function didn't help |
| 18:41.44 | Semlar | have you tried it without alt |
| 18:43.00 | WrathTECH | Still ticks in the down stat |
| 18:43.35 | WrathTECH | Maybe it's my UI, it badly needs a reset |
| 18:46.15 | Semlar | it's probably never firing OnMouseUp because of the drag handler |
| 18:48.02 | Semlar | you could add self:GetScript('OnMouseUp')(self) to the OnDragStop function but that's probably a horrible idea |
| 18:48.03 | WrathTECH | I'll have to take a look at it later, i best try and get a couple hours of sleep |
| 18:48.16 | VIad | no Semlar! |
| 18:48.17 | VIad | bad Semlar |
| 18:48.24 | Semlar | not my problem |
| 18:48.45 | VIad | it's like giving out the recipe for nuclear war and then saying it's not your problem |
| 18:48.57 | Semlar | i did that when i wrote gnomesequencer |
| 18:49.08 | VIad | it's ok I have written such code too |
| 18:49.27 | VIad | but wouldn't share it as guidelines ;D |
| 18:49.47 | WrathTECH | hey, it works at least. |
| 18:49.58 | Semlar | and isn't that all that really matters |
| 18:50.09 | WrathTECH | ^^ |
| 18:50.12 | WrathTECH | lol |
| 18:50.26 | WrathTECH | Not like my addon is really all that optimal. |
| 18:50.32 | Semlar | that's the spirit |
| 18:50.39 | WrathTECH | ROFL! |
| 18:50.39 | VIad | meh true enough |
| 18:50.57 | VIad | might as well stop trying so hard and just do what is easiest and works for me |
| 18:51.02 | WrathTECH | First addon ever, it's going to be a bit off. |
| 18:51.13 | Semlar | i can't use that excuse any more |
| 18:51.26 | VIad | because people demand you sharing your addons? |
| 18:51.33 | Semlar | wait actually does it count if i never release anything? |
| 18:51.39 | VIad | yes |
| 18:51.51 | VIad | I have a ton of addons that I wrote for myself too :D |
| 18:53.41 | WrathTECH | Heh, this was initially for myself, but then my irl friends and brother said thats a really great idea. --- |
| 18:54.04 | VIad | I wanted to make a photobomb addon at some point that my friends found amusing |
| 18:54.51 | VIad | idea was you have an addon that detects when someone uses the selfie camera and it shows a neat arrow on the side to point you to who it is and where they are, so you can target them, then a photobomb related bar opens with stuff you can do to ruin their photos, emotes, mounts, what ever you like |
| 18:55.20 | VIad | cba to make it but here you go with an idea |
| 18:55.31 | WrathTECH | Is there a way instead of OnMouseDown to fire only LeftMouseDown |
| 18:55.43 | VIad | you can check what mouse it is, arg2 isnt it? |
| 18:56.07 | VIad | you can stop it from working if you RegisterMouseButton or what ever it was |
| 18:56.11 | WrathTECH | hotSpot:SetScript("OnMouseDown", function(self, button) |
| 18:56.12 | VIad | widget wiki for button |
| 18:57.10 | VIad | my head hurts too much |
| 18:57.11 | VIad | :( |
| 19:01.17 | VIad | any input on my new computer? https://www.komplett.no/komplett-xtreme/11004 |
| 19:01.46 | VIad | 9500$ or 8500$ |
| 19:01.48 | VIad | 8500⬠|
| 19:02.19 | g0urra | lolwut |
| 19:02.21 | Mihau | VIad: "Holy fuck." |
| 19:02.33 | Kalroth | yeah, it's a waste of money |
| 19:02.56 | nevcairiel | even if you needed a tripple-sli system for something, there is so many bad decisions in that build |
| 19:03.12 | Kalroth | like the mechanical HDD |
| 19:03.14 | VIad | ofc they use these builds to get rid of old stock usually |
| 19:03.33 | Kalroth | remove one titan x and toss in a bunch of 850 Pro's instead if you need 4TB space! |
| 19:03.53 | VIad | actually I like the american sites for building computers, very nice |
| 19:03.57 | VIad | dont got that in norway though |
| 19:04.09 | nevcairiel | i wonder how much my PC would cost these days, it has quite a few high priced parts, but was assembled over a couple months, so i didnt track price exactly |
| 19:04.14 | VIad | closest you get is http://www.prisguide.no/ but its kind of all around, not just for computers |
| 19:07.09 | karl_w_w | just build your own VIad |
| 19:07.36 | VIad | yeah |
| 19:07.40 | VIad | but this is nice https://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/ |
| 19:07.50 | VIad | makes composing simpler |
| 19:08.27 | karl_w_w | and wait until next year |
| 19:08.55 | zenzelezz | that link is fun if read as "PCP art picker" |
| 19:09.04 | VIad | :D |
| 19:11.05 | karl_w_w | everything is likely to change next year |
| 19:11.14 | VIad | new technology? |
| 19:11.33 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 19:11.42 | karl_w_w | nvidia coming out with a new gpu connector |
| 19:11.54 | nevcairiel | thats not going to be relevant for consumers |
| 19:12.01 | VIad | PCI-E v3? |
| 19:12.10 | nevcairiel | we already have PCIe 3.0 |
| 19:12.14 | VIad | v4* |
| 19:12.15 | VIad | :p |
| 19:12.17 | VIad | I am olød |
| 19:13.35 | karl_w_w | ddr4 should drop in price as well |
| 19:13.41 | zenzelezz | aren't AMD doing their new memory thing next year too? |
| 19:13.50 | VIad | my rule is I use my machine minimum 3 years |
| 19:13.56 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w is probably talking about NVlink, but thats really just for big compute clusters where fast interconnects between the individual GPUs is important |
| 19:14.13 | nevcairiel | and PCIe actually bottlenecks |
| 19:14.40 | WrathTECH | Omg I didn't realize how busy addon programming really keeps you. It's like, Im playing wow, to program addons only. |
| 19:14.45 | VIad | computer is 2013-03 so 2 years old atm |
| 19:15.02 | VIad | you should talk to foxlit he just codes, no time to play |
| 19:15.38 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: the next AMD GPU supposed to be announced at E3 already has HBM (High Bandwidth Memory), but IMHO its going to be somewhat of a disappointment if current rumors hold true .. but we will only know once its revealed |
| 19:15.56 | nevcairiel | NVIDIAs next generation will also use HBM, but HBM v2, which allows up to 32GB of GPU memory |
| 19:16.09 | zenzelezz | I'm holding my judgement until we actually see anything |
| 19:17.09 | VIad | I like the idea - loading in the whole game into the GPU |
| 19:17.15 | VIad | soon we won't need a CPU for games :p |
| 19:17.17 | karl_w_w | now just seems like a seriously bad time to be buying or building a PC |
| 19:17.43 | VIad | as I said, current pc is from 2013-03 so too young to be replaced |
| 19:17.53 | nevcairiel | i built mine in september or so |
| 19:17.55 | VIad | need to use it for a year more at least |
| 19:18.20 | nevcairiel | will probably hold up until Q3 '16 or so, 2 years is fine for me |
| 19:18.44 | Dagmar | There's never really a "good" or a "bad" time |
| 19:18.51 | karl_w_w | all the current stuff is a refresh of the previous line, and it's usually not advisable to buy a GPU just before a new version of directx |
| 19:19.04 | Dagmar | If you look, you can *always* find a major component that's on the "bad" end of a price downslope |
| 19:19.35 | Dagmar | Incremental upgrades are the only way to avoid this problem |
| 19:22.15 | WrathTECH | Only an hour till i should be getting up... never going to get to bed. *_* |
| 19:29.06 | karl_w_w | sleep is good |
| 19:29.19 | karl_w_w | even in 40 minute doses |
| 19:39.33 | nebula169 | i have a friend that really only ever sleeps for like 90 minutes at time, some weird polyphasic sleep schedule |
| 19:40.05 | Torhal | Dagmar: Incremental upgrades go out the window when they decide to change CPU mounts or RAM/peripheral slots. |
| 19:40.29 | Torhal | "They aren't buying enough motherboards. CHANGE ALL THE THINGS." |
| 19:41.45 | nevcairiel | to be fair, RAM hasnt changed for years and years now |
| 19:42.15 | nevcairiel | CPU slots usually last two generations these days, unless you buy AMD, but you dont want to buy AMD |
| 19:43.29 | g0urra | VIad: did you see that the PC had triple GTX TITAN X |
| 19:44.11 | karl_w_w | by choice nebula169? |
| 19:44.20 | nebula169 | yes |
| 19:44.29 | karl_w_w | I've heard of people doing that |
| 19:44.44 | nevcairiel | Anyway, if you consider CPU and MB a package-deal, then you can usually upgrade incrementally, keep RAM, keep GPU, etc. Of course in the near future RAM might switch over to DDR4, but thats a somewhat rare occurance |
| 19:44.46 | karl_w_w | and using apps to keep track |
| 19:45.18 | nebula169 | yea, nets like an extra 5 hours a day or such |
| 19:45.54 | nevcairiel | dont you still need a somewhat similar total amount of sleep, even if you spread it out over a bunch small naps |
| 19:46.19 | nebula169 | it's like one short block of sleep when a bunch of short naps |
| 19:46.22 | nevcairiel | extra 5 hours makes it sound like you only sleep 2 hours a day in total =P |
| 19:48.28 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/5OkLCWU yuck |
| 19:48.31 | VIad | yes g0urra:D |
| 19:48.38 | g0urra | tad overkill |
| 19:51.11 | Semlar | i try to get at least 5 hours a day |
| 19:51.40 | Shirik | lol wat karl_w_w |
| 19:51.40 | Semlar | it doesn't always work out |
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| 20:46.53 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.29 | foxlit | (the other one being what to do with the rest of that space) |
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| 20:53.27 | Amarande | hrm, I might need to watch how I debate things in the future |
| 20:53.35 | Amarande | * Disconnected (Invalid argument) |
| 20:53.38 | Amarande | LOL |
| 20:53.44 | nebula169 | if only |
| 20:58.48 | Amarande | nevcairiel: the RAM thing is even more irritatingly complicated than that |
| 20:59.14 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.21 | Amarande | apparently, some skylake boards will support DDR3. but not just *any* DDR3. it has to be the 1.35V DDR3, which nobody usually buys right now and has no good reason TO buy until skylake at which point DDR4 is an option. :S |
| 21:00.21 | nevcairiel | there is a reason for that, because DDR4 also uses much less power, you need the low-power DDR3 modules, so that memory controller doesn't have to deal with extraordinary high voltages |
| 21:00.32 | Amarande | yeah, I know |
| 21:00.47 | Amarande | it means though that the whole "we'll have transitional DDR3 boards" thing is kind of worthless |
| 21:01.06 | nevcairiel | not really, my previous RAM was all 1.35 modules |
| 21:01.08 | Amarande | since I don't think I've ever seen the 1.35V stuff be popular except maybe in use cases that take SODIMM format rather than regular DIMM anyhow |
| 21:02.05 | Amarande | huh. what speed? |
| 21:02.30 | Amarande | most of the 1600+ stuff tends to be 1.5V at least, and often 1.65V (which is, except at the very highest, most power hungry speeds, an ancient geek word for "shit") |
| 21:03.22 | foxlit | Semlar: but I have nothing to promote. Would you like to buy some ad slots for your next addon? |
| 21:03.33 | Semlar | fill it with mushrooms |
| 21:04.00 | Semlar | how about a completely functional game of tetris |
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| 21:06.41 | Semlar | maybe list out all of the abilities with their icons down the side |
| 21:07.16 | Semlar | like a legend |
| 21:08.53 | Semlar | or maybe a reference for what the most common abilities are that need to be countered? |
| 21:10.50 | Semlar | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1653199-Scavenger-Optimization-Guide there was some info on how to optimize your followers i saw a while back but i don't know how relevant it is |
| 21:11.58 | Semlar | this is mostly about trying to maximize garrison resources |
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| 21:29.05 | foxlit | Mm, it's all rather meh since you aren't required to supply exact counters. |
| 21:29.37 | foxlit | race/affinity distribution is probably more interesting. |
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| 21:35.02 | plaw | hah https://twitter.com/straczynski/status/608004057362370560 |
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| 22:18.31 | Constie | I reactivated my WoW account, and now I have to make a new UI. A fate worse than death. |
| 22:20.19 | Amarande | heh, that happens every time I come back to WoW |
| 22:20.24 | Amarande | I'm not sure I'll be back this time though |
| 22:20.39 | Amarande | unless maybe the next expansion is truly amazing, compared to the utter lukewarm that was wod |
| 22:20.59 | Amarande | seriously, activision, you want us to pay more for the xpacs, that means you ought to be giving us more for our money not less :P |
| 22:21.55 | Amarande | let's put it this way, if wow xpacs were beer, then wrath of the lich king was a fine IPA and wod is miller lite :) |
| 22:34.20 | kullervo | especially if one has to MAKE it... |
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| 23:21.02 | WrathTECH | Evening everyone. |
| 23:23.59 | WrathTECH | Woot, someone found my easter egg in the addon, lol |
| 23:37.57 | WrathTECH | Is there a way to check if a sound file is playing via PlayMusic so one could do a if then statement to stop or play? |
| 23:44.06 | Semlar | if you know the length of what you're playing then you can just keep track of when you started it |
| 23:45.07 | Semlar | actually PlayMusic just loops whatever file you give it indefinitely |
| 23:51.11 | WrathTECH | Yeah I found that out, but using part of thse script when I was running PlaySondFIle |
| 23:51.19 | WrathTECH | C_Timer.NewTimer(4*60 + 41, function() StopMusic() end) |
| 23:51.38 | WrathTECH | Had a request to be able to stop the music, so I had to swap it out |
| 23:52.23 | WrathTECH | Think I will just add a speaker you can click on while its playing to click to stop the music if people want. |
