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| 00:35.40 | WrathTECH_ | How do I specify multiple frames with UIFrameFadeIn? |
| 00:35.50 | WrathTECH_ | Other then having two lines, one for each |
| 00:37.29 | Primer | Hooking to OnEvent in wow will basically fire for every event, right? |
| 00:38.03 | Primer | I'm just curious because I'm looking for a parallel to that in something completely unrelated to wow |
| 00:38.57 | Semlar | what |
| 00:39.37 | Semlar | hooking a frame's OnEvent script will only fire for whatever events that frame is registered for |
| 00:39.50 | Primer | Ok, nm then |
| 00:39.57 | Semlar | you can register for all events if you want |
| 00:40.05 | Semlar | that's what /etrace does |
| 00:41.00 | Semlar | eg. frame:RegisterAllEvents() would call that frame's OnEvent script every time anything fires |
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| 01:42.45 | Iriel | hehe âUse of this Web-Site without sufficient understanding of Science may result in death.â |
| 01:44.48 | Amarande | hah, wonder how long before we're jacked in intimately enough that a hacker actually can kill us over the net |
| 01:45.20 | Amarande | I guess that's assuming a Gibson-dominant future, as opposed to an Orwellian or Mad Max scenario |
| 02:12.42 | WrathTECH | One can't change the color of a button using UIPanelByttonTemplate and SetVertexColor easily I take... |
| 02:13.52 | Iriel | Depends on its original color |
| 02:13.58 | Iriel | if it was originally white, you can easily |
| 02:14.34 | Seerah | *it - meaning the texture itself |
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| 02:21.39 | WrathTECH | Stupid internet. Thats what I was figuring Iriel. How about just setting the text color? |
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| 03:25.06 | karl_w_w | so my PC turns off if I plug or unplug from displayport |
| 03:26.48 | Semlar | it's a feature |
| 03:28.07 | Semlar | i guess i would start with your graphics card |
| 03:31.54 | Simca | no he should start with his mouse clearly |
| 03:34.26 | Semlar | how dare you |
| 03:38.38 | Semlar | it's likely some issue with the graphics firmware but it could theoretically be shorting out the port |
| 03:53.09 | Amarande | yeah, that's gotta be a major bug, especially with how fragile DP cables can be |
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| 03:53.39 | Amarande | sure you're using displayport and not a thunderbolt port? (there's a few pc mobos that have thunderbolt ports, mostly from gigabyte it seems) |
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| 04:31.31 | Iriel | returns. |
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| 04:34.21 | Fisker | oh no |
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| 04:43.25 | Primer | So I was able to repair my raid. I just had to use --force |
| 04:44.05 | Primer | But now I've found that 2 of my camera cables plus the mic cable for my home security system have been cut |
| 04:44.28 | Primer | the mid and 1 camera probably by me moving shit around in the garage, the back yard one probably by the fucking dog |
| 04:45.11 | Primer | The problem with that one is that the cable runs from one side of the house to the other, under the house, so getting to the end that's under the house will be extremely tedious |
| 04:45.28 | Iriel | Hire a small child? |
| 04:45.37 | Iriel | Tie a guide line to the dog and lure it under? |
| 04:45.40 | Primer | Well, I have 2 kids, but neither will do it |
| 04:46.43 | Primer | it's incredibly dirty there |
| 04:47.50 | Neffi | so hire somebody else's kid :P |
| 04:50.24 | Semlar | fire a crossbow bolt under the house with fishing line attached to the cable |
| 04:50.52 | Primer | The cable is already under the house |
| 04:51.10 | Primer | it was cut at the point where it comes out of one of the vent screens |
| 04:51.19 | Primer | so that part fell to the ground under the house |
| 04:51.35 | Primer | I'm going to try to fish it out from the outside, but I'd be doing that blindly |
| 04:52.27 | Iriel | Is it attached to the underside of the house or just laying on the ground? Can you use the existing cable to pull a new one through?? |
| 04:52.35 | Semlar | presumably it's attached to something somewhere |
| 04:52.49 | Iriel | I dunno, the phone lines here when I moved here were just running along the dirt |
| 04:52.54 | Iriel | (which was a problem) |
| 04:53.05 | Primer | yes, it runs the entire cross section of the house from a hole in the garage to said vent |
| 04:53.49 | Primer | it runs along the dirt under the house between the garage hole and the vent |
| 05:01.43 | Semlar | i thought you were trying to replace the broken line |
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| 05:05.00 | Primer | I don't have a replacement. My goal was to reconnect the two severed ends |
| 05:05.07 | Primer | well, still is |
| 05:05.23 | Semlar | do you know how to splice two cables |
| 05:05.26 | Iriel | Hm, a joint in the middle can be a problem if thereâs moisture anywhere |
| 05:05.38 | Iriel | make sure the joint is well insulated and off the ground |
| 05:05.53 | Primer | that's what electrical tape is for! |
| 05:06.00 | Semlar | this should go well |
| 05:07.20 | Primer | it's 3 wires, all color coded, one carrying power |
| 05:07.27 | Primer | I'll disconnect the power before doing it |
| 05:07.30 | Primer | it should be fine |
| 05:07.37 | Semlar | it's not a coax cable? |
| 05:08.43 | Primer | it's not |
| 05:08.57 | Primer | otherwise I'm sure it wouldn't have severed so easily |
| 05:09.11 | Semlar | is it even rated for outdoor use |
| 05:09.43 | Primer | considering it's an "outdoor camera", one would have to assume "yes" |
| 05:10.42 | Semlar | not necessarily, some of the outdoor cameras i've seen expect to go inside within a very short distance |
| 05:12.57 | Primer | We can assist in changing the name of the registered account holder on a Battle.net account in the following three cases: legal name changes, death, and parent to child transfers (if the child is over the age of majority in your country) |
| 05:13.04 | Primer | WTF is "age of majority"? |
| 05:13.16 | Semlar | 18 |
| 05:13.34 | Iriel | Whenever oneâs legally an adult, I think |
| 05:14.06 | Primer | bah, I wanted to rename my other battle.net account so it shows my son's name, since it's his |
| 05:14.15 | Primer | but he's only 16 |
| 05:15.13 | Semlar | when you're no longer a minor |
| 05:15.29 | Semlar | i guess that makes you a major |
| 05:15.35 | Primer | He was just talking to someone while playing Hearthstone but that person thought he was me, since the account has my name |
| 05:15.53 | Primer | Can't minors own their own bnet accounts? |
| 05:16.09 | Primer | Seems kinda stupid, especially with Hearthstone being so popular |
| 05:16.12 | Semlar | technically i think it's supposed to be whoever is paying for it |
| 05:16.45 | Primer | heh, Hearthstone is free |
| 05:19.15 | Iriel | . |
| 05:19.23 | Iriel | (cat) |
| 05:20.01 | Semlar | just so you know, i'm pretty sure splicing your cable is going to void any warranty you might have on your equipment |
| 05:20.26 | Primer | pfft, I've already been through about 3 of those cameras |
| 05:20.37 | Primer | They're cheap, like $45 |
| 05:21.14 | Primer | One faces the sun in the morning and I've burned 2 CCDs already |
| 05:21.27 | Semlar | it needs some sunglasses |
| 05:22.23 | Semlar | if you've had 3 of your cables break you might want to put them in a conduit or something |
| 05:22.24 | Iriel | Or a well placed shade |
| 05:23.18 | Primer | Well, 2 were my fault |
| 05:23.36 | Primer | I'm sure they were pinched when I moved stuff near the computer in the garage |
| 05:23.58 | Primer | And the other was either the dog or some other animal |
| 05:24.45 | Semlar | maybe a rat, they love chewing on things |
| 05:25.41 | Primer | or possum, skunk, raccoon, mouse, squirrel, bird |
| 05:25.45 | Primer | cat |
| 05:25.52 | Primer | we have all of those in the back yard |
| 05:28.41 | Primer | So does anyone know if you can have a bnet account while underage? |
| 05:29.01 | Dagmar | If it is owned by a parent |
| 05:30.01 | Dagmar | Getting ownership of the account transferred from the parent to the child upon reaching their majority is actually pretty easy |
| 05:30.06 | Primer | The wording is vague |
| 05:30.22 | Dagmar | A long time friend of mine went through it with both his boys |
| 05:30.47 | Primer | I have 2 accounts, and in battle.net friend lists, they both show up under my name. I want his to show under his name, but I'd still own it. |
| 05:31.01 | Dagmar | It's fairly straightforward. A minor child can't even legally accept the AUP, but a guardian/parent can do so and own the account in their stead and on their behalf |
| 05:31.04 | Primer | but my son's only 16 |
| 05:31.25 | Primer | I just want his name on his bnet so people we have in common don't confuse us |
| 05:31.29 | Dagmar | You might want to call Bnet about that particular issue |
| 05:31.39 | Semlar | i would just change the name #yolo |
| 05:31.40 | nebula169 | ownership is basically who pays for it |
| 05:32.26 | Semlar | you said the game was free |
| 05:32.35 | Semlar | so no big loss |
| 05:33.24 | Primer | hrmm? |
| 05:33.49 | Iriel | The trick would have been to not use realId and use battle.net tag |
| 05:34.30 | Primer | A bit late for that, no? |
| 05:34.44 | Iriel | I dont know, how many online friends does he have |
| 05:35.36 | Iriel | As dagmar suggested, maybe just fire off a support request to blizzard and see what they have to offer |
| 05:35.48 | Primer | yeah, I've been composing it for a while now |
| 05:37.39 | Primer | WOW |
| 05:37.51 | Primer | So I typed all that shit up to end up at a "page not found" |
| 05:37.59 | Primer | then I hit back, and the textarea is empty |
| 05:38.05 | Iriel | 8-( |
| 05:38.12 | Iriel | First rule of web forms, compose anything long offline 8-( |
| 05:38.15 | Semlar | you learned an important lesson |
| 05:38.19 | Iriel | I think weâve all learned that one the hard way |
| 05:38.27 | Iriel | I know I have several times, you have my sympathies |
| 05:39.08 | Semlar | there was a browser plugin that saved forms for you in case something like that happened but i don't remember what it was called |
| 05:39.28 | Semlar | probably more than one |
| 05:42.41 | Primer | bah, I'll just do this tomorrow via live chat |
| 05:42.49 | Primer | I used that once, and it was quick and effective |
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| 07:48.11 | circ-user-NM3C3 | Hello. I have a project to develop one private addon Addon is an in-game shop for 3.3.5a client version with modifications Functionality: Buying items,mounts,pets,gold and other stuff Buying and prolonging Premium Item comparison with the curent Item and item which person want's to buy Mounts,pets,items visual prewiew addon is working with the server via comands For example when a player presses button BUY It sends request like : .adb(main comm |
| 07:48.43 | Semlar | we don't do private addons |
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| 08:23.42 | WrathTECH | Yeah, quite annoying when you get PM's asking for that. Is there a way to report it, Semlar? |
| 08:24.54 | Semlar | on irc? |
| 08:25.08 | WrathTECH | Sorry, no, on Curseforge. |
| 08:25.28 | Semlar | i'm sure there's a button to report a message |
| 08:26.45 | WrathTECH | http://i.imgur.com/JBsjwhk.jpg I'm guessing this could take a couple months. |
| 08:35.23 | WrathTECH | Would someone explain to me what it means when Framestack shows table: and a bunch or numbers/letters |
| 08:37.56 | nevcairiel | the frame has no name |
| 08:39.02 | WrathTECH | I wonder if those are the ones I am trying to find to change the Vertex color. Is it even possible to do so to those? |
| 08:39.15 | nevcairiel | not easily |
| 08:40.15 | WrathTECH | Well dang. Ruins this project idea. |
| 08:40.26 | nevcairiel | most blizzard frames have names though |
| 08:40.54 | Semlar | those aren't frames though |
| 08:41.05 | WrathTECH | Yeah, I'm setting all frames to a dark color, but there's a couple on the Character frame that I am not able to find to set the color. :S |
| 08:41.27 | nevcairiel | Semlar: if such an entry is showing up in framestack, what else would it be, if not a frame? =P |
| 08:41.41 | Semlar | he's trying to call SetVertexColor so whatever he's after is a texture |
| 08:42.12 | WrathTECH | Yuup. I posted a screena little bit ago. |
| 08:42.24 | WrathTECH | http://i.imgur.com/JBsjwhk.jpg |
| 08:42.42 | nevcairiel | Semlar: well sure, but textures alone cannot live, so you need to find the frame they are attached to |
| 08:52.39 | WrathTECH | You guys were right. WoWLua is way better then Hack |
| 09:03.59 | WrathTECH | WTB Food. |
| 09:04.06 | WrathTECH | Pizza preferably. |
| 09:12.26 | tz_ | well, usually if you buy it you get the food, so yeah |
| 09:14.49 | karl_w_w | http://www.ibtimes.com/square-enix-announces-final-fantasy-type-0-hd-pc-steam-1949780 awww yeah |
| 09:19.47 | WrathTECH | Unfortunately I'm piss poor, and only store open is stupid walmart |
| 09:23.20 | WrathTECH | Has anyone tried my addon, Platter? |
| 09:24.00 | WrathTECH | I just made a copy of my WoW client, deleted junk out of my addons folder, not it's not working properly. Curious if it's bugging for others also. |
| 09:29.25 | WrathTECH | I do not get it. It works on my nrmal client I was doing the programming on, but wont work on a copy of my client?? |
| 09:29.32 | WrathTECH | Must be bedtime. |
| 09:38.28 | WrathTECH | http://pastebin.com/9DTxxLBw |
| 09:38.59 | WrathTECH | http://pastebin.com/9wiLNaBu |
| 09:41.09 | WrathTECH | Nevermind. Uiscale hid my buttons |
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| 11:25.36 | karl_w_w | more half life 3 evidence https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BueIms2CQAAKNkA.png |
| 11:36.27 | fewyn | the half life is a lie |
| 11:46.11 | karl_w_w | but the cake wasn't |
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| 13:00.51 | circ-user-NM3C3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.49 | Semlar | deja vu |
| 13:02.43 | circ-user-NM3C3 | I know, but really it's hard to find LUA specialist.=( We a creating custom content, far from default server. |
| 13:03.58 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, delicious mortals. |
| 13:04.20 | Semlar | this is an official irc channel, since private servers are against blizzard's terms of service we don't discuss them here |
| 13:04.34 | karl_w_w | also: |
| 13:04.36 | karl_w_w | ~lua |
| 13:04.36 | purl | Lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon". |
| 13:08.42 | circ-user-NM3C3 | Big problem, that guys who know lua and know how to create some sort of addons for World of Warcraft are very rare. ( So need to find someone who can help. Our project is http://sirus.su We a creating custom 3.3.5a with Burning crusade contet to level 80, 5 new races and so on. |
| 13:12.05 | Maldivia | circ-user-NM3C3: again... against Blizzard's ToS, so you will not find any support in here... |
| 13:13.17 | circ-user-NM3C3 | Understand, cause of that added contact info. If someone is possible to help and want to earn some money.) Blizzard don't watch skype or icq, i hope so.:) |
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| 14:05.21 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy into Ressy |
| 14:05.26 | Fisker | morning Ressy |
| 14:16.04 | Ressy | o.O |
| 14:16.09 | Lopeppeppy | Ouchies! Ressy might have bony elbows! |
| 14:16.56 | Ressy | Careful of my elbows man.. 1 wrong hit and they blow up to the size of a baseball. :P |
| 14:21.57 | karl_w_w | wow really, sounds interesting |
| 14:22.06 | karl_w_w | plots to knock over Ressy |
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| 14:27.35 | fewyn | what? really? http://time.com/money/3908252/taco-bell-alcohol-beer-wine-chicago/ |
| 14:42.12 | |Jelly| | PEPPY! <3 |
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| 15:13.01 | karl_w_w | nvidia have no new line of GPUs this year? |
| 15:16.00 | karl_w_w | that could really hurt then given amd are going down to 20 nm this year |
| 15:18.44 | nevcairiel | there is no desktop 20nm |
| 15:18.57 | nevcairiel | the production at those size isn't worth it |
| 15:19.14 | nevcairiel | AMDs new GPU is still 28nm |
| 15:19.45 | nevcairiel | and their new model is overhyped and underpowered, so if anything is going to hurt, its AMD |
| 15:20.18 | Mihau | The 980 TI? |
| 15:20.33 | karl_w_w | a single GPU is not a line :P |
| 15:20.33 | nevcairiel | we're talking about AMD |
| 15:20.35 | nevcairiel | get with the times |
| 15:20.48 | karl_w_w | underpowered compared to expectation or underpowered compared to nvidia's current offerings |
| 15:21.07 | nevcairiel | expectations, which means its going to disappoint and not sell as well as AMD hopes |
| 15:21.13 | karl_w_w | they might be underwhelming sure, but if they've got nothing to compete with |
| 15:21.22 | nevcairiel | or so you think |
| 15:21.35 | nevcairiel | it'll probably match the 980 Ti in performance |
| 15:21.44 | nevcairiel | or be in a similar range anyway |
| 15:21.55 | nevcairiel | and then use much more power and produce more heat at the same time |
| 15:21.59 | nevcairiel | and be limited to 4GB |
| 15:22.21 | nevcairiel | NVIDIA had a new line at the end of the last year, they don't do those in a 6 month cadence, more like 18 month =p |
| 15:22.39 | nevcairiel | they have been in a solid lead over AMD ever since it was released |
| 15:23.17 | nevcairiel | and AMDs "new line" is actually one new GPU, the high-end model |
| 15:23.31 | nevcairiel | all the other GPUs in the 3xx line are rebadged earlier chips ;d |
| 15:24.24 | p3lim | Semlar: did you have something to match object ids and tooltips with? |
| 15:25.07 | Semlar | what, in-game? |
| 15:25.11 | p3lim | yeah |
| 15:25.17 | Semlar | no |
| 15:25.36 | Semlar | you can't create a tooltip from an object id |
| 15:25.45 | p3lim | other way around |
| 15:26.09 | Semlar | you can get the object id of something you're interacting with, like a chest |
| 15:26.16 | Semlar | but if you can't loot it, probably not |
| 15:26.44 | p3lim | Trying to make something for the Essence Font |
| 15:27.33 | Semlar | you can't just match the text? |
| 15:27.56 | p3lim | Of course I could, just trying stuff out |
| 15:28.21 | Semlar | there is an npc called "essence font" so you may even be able to localize it |
| 15:28.48 | p3lim | Yeah I saw that :s |
| 15:29.01 | Semlar | you can create a tooltip from the npc id and pull its name out of that |
| 15:30.28 | Semlar | if you're just trying to detect if you're hovering over the font, i can't really think of a better solution off the top of my head |
| 15:30.54 | p3lim | Was hoping that UnitGUID would return a valid GUID for objects, but alas |
| 15:31.09 | Semlar | well, you'd need a unitID |
| 15:31.21 | Semlar | and they don't count as units for mouseover |
| 15:31.44 | Semlar | if you're interacting with one, like a mailbox, it counts as an "npc" for the unitID |
| 15:32.25 | Semlar | and if you're looting something you can get the source guid from the loot |
| 15:32.45 | Semlar | but other than that, i don't think you can get an object's GUID |
| 15:37.00 | p3lim | What was the hyperlink type for npcs again? |
| 15:37.29 | Semlar | unit? |
| 15:37.48 | p3lim | thanks |
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| 16:25.51 | mikma | OMFG! http://store.steampowered.com/app/332310/ |
| 16:29.06 | nevcairiel | does it feature "everything is awesome"? |
| 16:32.22 | Amarande | please tell me they'll implement bans by having you publicly shown getting Kragle'd :) |
| 16:32.41 | foxlit | why would a single-player game have bans? |
| 16:33.02 | Amarande | (yes, MMOs have done this in the past ... Guild Wars apparently did it by having the game's god of death show up in town and permakill the offender) |
| 16:33.12 | Amarande | oh |
| 16:33.22 | Amarande | open world, creativity driven game, I thought they were going for a shared world design |
| 16:33.24 | pompy | foxlit: idk, ask Rockstar |
| 16:33.25 | pompy | :P |
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| 16:45.14 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5elKiu8wz6s you know, I think I'm just going to not ever play a horror game on the rift |
| 16:47.18 | foxlit | chicken. |
| 16:47.20 | Torhal | mikma: Old. Also, awesome. |
| 16:48.37 | mikma | torhal: https://youtu.be/ZaQNzLngMKM?t=7m31s for shits and giggles |
| 16:54.16 | Torhal | mikma: Yah, I watched it on release day. Guy was cracking me up. |
| 16:55.19 | Icicle | best part of the day at work is when I have to do security training |
| 16:55.54 | Icicle | if only they knew I'm one of those hackers that hangs out on IRC chats where cool hacker people go when they don't want our conversations tracked |
| 16:56.28 | Icicle | (â¢_â¢) ( â¢_â¢)>ââ¡-â¡ (ââ¡_â¡) |
| 16:58.38 | zenzelezz | like in Numb3rs? |
| 16:59.03 | mikma | torhal: he's sooooo giggly :D |
| 16:59.18 | Torhal | Hehe |
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| 17:01.10 | mikma | i hope that game will get a multiplayer and you can get your own server |
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| 17:06.45 | foxlit | there was a recent series of tweets that explained why that is never going to happen. |
| 17:08.02 | Torhal | Peni. |
| 17:13.35 | Amarande | wow. here's another forum post that suggests even more far ranging effects of no fly. it will further ruin the social aspect of wow, which is already rather spare as it is unless you count the Mos Eisley Cantina aka /2 LOL ... I didn't even think of this one since I've been used to flying mounts for so long |
| 17:13.57 | Amarande | apparently, without flight, it's a lot harder for people to get groups for stuff that isn't instances |
| 17:14.20 | Amarande | (though, counterpoint, it seems people get groups for multiple Heroics on a planet pretty readily in SW:TOR, which has only 'hover above the ground' speeders ...) |
| 17:14.56 | nevcairiel | if people want to do things, they group up no matter the form of travel |
| 17:16.16 | mikma | torhal: yeah |
| 17:17.35 | Amarande | "Flight offers the ability to group with your friends quickly. While it's possible, questing with another person on foot feels pretty restrictive. With flight, you can run off and explore, and your friends can come find you when you're all ready to group up again. It allows for a more fluid form of cooperative questing. Without flight, questing feels like it's meant to be a solitary experience. " -- Artura of Proudmoore |
| 17:17.57 | foxlit | THE HORSE IS DEAD. |
| 17:18.08 | foxlit | IT HAS BEEN DEAD FOR AGES. |
| 17:18.16 | foxlit | stop beating it already? |
| 17:24.38 | zenzelezz | if only |
| 17:32.24 | Amarande | zenzelezz: yeah, how many forum threads are they up to now? |
| 17:32.42 | Kalroth | pokes the horse with a stick. |
| 17:32.53 | Amarande | VII, apparently, and it's been active just an hour ago on its 70th page |
| 17:32.55 | Torhal | napalms the horse. |
| 17:33.14 | Amarande | I can't think of anything except maybe CRZ that's caused this sustained of a furore |
| 17:33.26 | zenzelezz | Amarande: I would participate, but arguing with you in the long run is more futile than talking to a seven-year old |
| 17:33.45 | zenzelezz | we never get anywhere :D |
| 17:33.49 | Amarande | zenzelezz: I have to agree with you that internet arguments tend to usually attain that level of futility |
| 17:34.01 | Amarande | the problem is most people have generally dug in prior to the debate |
| 17:34.26 | Amarande | so you can get lots of points and counterpoints expressed, maybe even have people at least nod that the other side actually has a point, but nobody's actually swayed from their original stance so what's the real point? :) |
| 17:34.52 | Amarande | actually, make that arguments in general ... US politics in particular seems to have gone this way as well |
| 17:35.12 | Amarande | actually, internet arguments are often even saner than US politics ... at least in an internet argument you can at least admit the other side has a point even if you're completely dug-in |
| 17:35.38 | Amarande | in US politics, you do that and next thing you're basically out of the picture as your former allies throw you overboard because "omg he agreed with the Democrats/Republicans! he's not a real Republican/Democrat anymore!" |
| 17:43.35 | Amarande | zenzelezz: know what we can probably universally agree on though ... the "like it or you're a baby" lambasters suck, though :) |
| 17:44.01 | Amarande | people say they don't like it. so the lambasters go "if you don't like it, then quit" so the people who don't like it say that they're quitting and this is why. so the lambasters then call them a baby FOR quitting over it |
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| 17:44.58 | Unkle | Station. |
| 17:45.32 | Icicle | Awesome things about flying -> spending time exploring previously unreachable areas Bad things about flying -> there wasn't really anything to do when you got there. |
| 17:46.05 | Icicle | in BC you had a couple of areas like Skettis that had some extra things |
| 17:46.22 | Icicle | wotlk also, but they never really did that again... |
| 17:46.23 | mikma | ontop if ironforge mountain |
| 17:46.43 | mikma | the airstrip there... fun times |
| 17:48.32 | Icicle | If flying had limitations, it might be cool. Like a stamina bar for the mount. |
| 17:49.21 | Icicle | I'm sure a lot of people might not like it, but I think it would make some interesting gameplay choices, and not the wanton using it 24/7 for everything like before. |
| 17:49.46 | Fisker | attacks into Unkle |
| 17:50.19 | Unkle | parries. |
| 17:50.28 | Amarande | yeah that's probably the saddest thing if Blizz sticks to their guns about flying |
| 17:50.33 | Amarande | we will never get a Northrend revamp, ever |
| 17:50.44 | Amarande | that is basically a surety with that declaration |
| 17:51.17 | Unkle | did I miss an announcement? |
| 17:51.31 | Unkle | (I haven't been playing much the last couple months) |
| 17:51.46 | Icicle | nah just the flight fiasco nonsense |
| 17:51.46 | Amarande | Unkle: apparently they announced that not only are we not getting flying in Draenor at all, but don't expect it in future expansions either |
| 17:51.58 | Fisker | tackles Unkle away |
| 17:52.03 | Unkle | Does anyone have a link? |
| 17:52.06 | Amarande | there is a massive furore over it on the forums. I'm pretty sure CRZ was the only thing that ever generated this much row before |
| 17:52.23 | Amarande | well, unless you were on Ysera realm during the AQ gates opening, maybe then, heh, but that was just one server |
| 17:54.12 | Amarande | Unkle: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17605632090?page=28 for starters |
| 17:54.33 | Amarande | that's just one page of no less than seven threads on the topic, of which there are seven because the first six all got locked for maxing out |
| 17:55.18 | Amarande | Icicle, or if you actually had to flap your wings to stay airborne/gain altitude, like that hyjal quest? |
| 17:55.37 | Amarande | (come to think of it, it would be neat if you were also given a weapon while flying and had to fight off airborne hazards/attackers, like in that quest) |
| 17:55.54 | Icicle | Amarande: ah the jousting bit? yah that might be alright... |
| 17:56.38 | Icicle | Amarande: one OCD bit to it though, they really need to remove players ability to negate falling damage from jumping off their mounts (aside from levitate) |
| 17:57.02 | Icicle | warrior charge and hunter disengage as examples |
| 17:57.05 | Amarande | but yeah, the dismal thing that occurred to me is that Northrend is now just pretty much doomed to age and age until it gets so embarrassingly dated that people buy boosts just to not have to see it again LOL |
| 17:57.58 | Amarande | because there's no way around it, northrend requires flying, and a dictum against flying in future expacs means northrend would not be viable, unless they're going to make practically 1/3 of the continent unreachable :) |
| 17:58.42 | Amarande | Icicle: yeah, those are kind of wonky, and probably should be considered bugs/exploits but maybe they're just not because it would be hard to enforce that in a practical sense |
| 17:59.06 | Icicle | might be a problem from a programming standpoint, like when the charge occurs it immediately puts the player at x,y,z coordiantes |
| 17:59.07 | Amarande | (and if everything cheap was considered an exploit we'd all have been banned long ago for standing on the oil cans while fighting Dr Boom in Netherstorm so we can't get hit ... LOL) |
| 17:59.24 | Icicle | :( I never did that |
| 18:00.25 | Amarande | Icicle: yeah charge is kind of wonky like that, I've noticed that for years |
| 18:00.42 | Amarande | like, I've sworn it apparently must stun you because you're just that scared of the big bad warrior ramming at you |
| 18:00.52 | Amarande | (seeing that you get stunned when they START charging and not when they actually hit you :P) |
| 18:01.57 | Unkle | So really, people are reacting to the polygon article? http://www.polygon.com/2015/5/22/8645293/world-of-warcraft-no-flying-tanaan-jungle-warlords-of-draenor-mmo-pc-blizzard |
| 18:01.58 | Amarande | falling damage in general is kinda wonky though. case in point, if you dump all 12 vials into that plague cauldron on that quest in epl and get punted way far far away |
| 18:02.26 | Amarande | you can fall a huge distance and not take any damage at all, because it's just a simple comparison of origin and destination z coordinates, without consideration for anything in between |
| 18:02.44 | Amarande | Unkle: actually that was part of it too |
| 18:03.16 | Amarande | Blizzard didn't even have the balls to make the first announcenemt, everyone had to get wind of it from third party sites like polygon or mmo-champion before it first hit the forums |
| 18:03.37 | Amarande | apparently they didn't even want to MAKE an announcement, they tried to hide it as a little item on a dev interview |
| 18:05.44 | Icicle | Blizzard is really weird about these kinds of matters, when it comes to negativity towards them the first and foremost thought on their minds is "What negativity?" |
| 18:05.56 | Icicle | Theres nothing wrong here, and if you say different, your ass is grass :) |
| 18:06.03 | Fisker | hey Unkle |
| 18:06.23 | Amarande | Unkle: don't forget how lousy the decisions so far in wod have been before this, too. no farahlon, gameplay that results in everyone isolated in garrisons and even capital cities mostly being ghost towns, garrisons being so rewarding that unless maybe you play mythic (and maybe not even then since some of it's mythic items IIRC) there's barely any incentive to raid, etc. |
| 18:07.25 | Amarande | maybe that's why people are being so unifiedly vocal about their stances on flying ... with how much the social aspect of wow has been gutted this xpac thanks to garrisons, there isn't all that much TO be social about anymore unless you count tired old jokes in /2 :( |
| 18:07.37 | zenzelezz | wait, Amarande is *still* going on about flying? |
| 18:07.50 | Amarande | zenzelezz: we were bringing unkle up to speed |
| 18:08.07 | Amarande | zenzelezz: he hadn't been playing for months, so didn't know |
| 18:08.19 | Icicle | Amarande has gained a new title |
| 18:08.31 | Icicle | Amarande, Champion of the Flightless |
| 18:08.59 | Amarande | (hah, you know what's really awful about the social aspect of wow being gutted ... it seems like it's almost been *targeted* for gutting, heck look at the Hillsbrad chat bug that hasn't been fixed too :() |
| 18:09.51 | Amarande | Icicle: I thought you were going to say "the Prevaricator" or something like that ... or as I once joked when I tried ritualist in Guild Wars, "there should be 'Wordy Was Amarande'" |
| 18:10.47 | Icicle | Amarande: linked it with the old Champion of the Frozen Wastes achievement :). since we were just talking about wotlk |
| 18:10.53 | Icicle | little bit of a stretch perhaps |
| 18:11.00 | Amarande | :) |
| 18:11.45 | Unkle | I haven't been playing because WoW is a huge time suck and after nearly 11 years of it, I've decided I have other things that require that time. |
| 18:11.56 | Unkle | I dabble a little when I have an hour. |
| 18:12.30 | Icicle | WoW feels pretty much the exact same as 10 years ago, after playing through the story a bit its a little boring. |
| 18:12.35 | Amarande | and yes, it does seem weird that hillsbrad no longer has zone chat, especially since it's like, one of the few leveling zones in the whole game that actually has any notable number of group quests anymore ... almost like they ... don't want us to group anymore or something LOL |
| 18:14.14 | Amarande | (actually I can't even think of any other zones with world group quests anymore except for Hillsbrad, the arenas in Tanaris, old Nagrand, and Zul'Drak, and the old SMV/Netherstorm stuff) |
| 18:14.42 | Amarande | oh right, the arena in TwiHi too |
| 18:16.20 | Amarande | Icicle: yeah, apart from finally getting around to seeing Kezan (I had never rolled a Goblin until a few weeks ago) it didn't really feel all that anymore :( |
| 18:16.38 | Amarande | that hot rod is cool, though :D |
| 18:20.06 | circ-user-NM3C3 | Hello everybody. I have a project to develop one private addon. Addon is an in-game shop for 3.3.5a client version with modifications. Functionality: 1. Buying items,mounts,pets,gold and other stuff 2.Buying and prolonging Premium, 3. Item comparison with the curent Item and item which person want to buy. 4. Mounts,pets,items visual prewiew. Addon is working with the server via comands: For example when a player presses button BUY It sends requ |
| 18:20.41 | Semlar | cairenn |
| 18:20.57 | zenzelezz | circ-user-NM3C3: private servers are not allowed here |
| 18:22.02 | nevcairiel | circ-user-NM3C3: as others have pointed out, private servers and talk about the same is not allowed here, and if you keep asking, it might happen that you get removed |
| 18:27.12 | Icicle | we've found a witch! May we burn her? |
| 18:28.00 | fewyn | that sigh of relief after finishing your first in person interview for a job in over 10 years... feels good |
| 18:28.40 | Unkle | nice fewyn |
| 18:28.57 | Ressy | awesome! |
| 18:37.33 | Gnarfoz | fewyn: good luck! |
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| 19:39.30 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=174829/hearthstone-pro |
| 19:40.01 | foxlit | it'd be neat to search all spells with a specific effect type -- e.g. to get a list of all the spells (and better yet, items) that teach follower abilities |
| 19:41.08 | foxlit | it actually kind of works, minus the item mapping; http://www.wowhead.com/spells=0?filter=cr=109;crs=244;crv=0 |
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| 20:19.35 | Shirik | my car is officially back on temporary license plates |
| 20:19.44 | Shirik | it's kinda weird taking off real license plates and putting on a temporary one |
| 20:29.49 | zenzelezz | why is it on temp? |
| 20:33.22 | Shirik | I requested a new ham radio plate to replace my current one |
| 20:33.39 | Shirik | which apparently causes them to cancel your current plate |
| 20:33.46 | Shirik | so basically you don't have a license plate while they work it out |
| 20:36.20 | zenzelezz | what does ham radio have to do with your car? |
| 20:38.38 | foxlit | heh |
| 20:38.42 | Shirik | not much, but it's something of a tradition to put your license plate as your call sign. Pretty much every state offers a special plate for ham radio operators. Plus I have a radio in my car, so theoretically someone can see my callsign and then call me. |
| 20:38.56 | foxlit | "luajit foo.lua" terminates successfully in ~3040 iterations of some loop |
| 20:39.18 | foxlit | "lua foo.lua" doesn't appear to terminate at all. |
| 20:39.31 | Shirik | according to wikipedia "Many jurisdictions issue specialty vehicle registration plates to licensed amateur radio operators often in order to facilitate their movement during an emergency.[34][35] The fees for application and renewal are usually less than the standard rate for specialty plates.[34][36]" |
| 20:40.08 | foxlit | or, rather, it finishes in like ~213k iterations. |
| 20:42.26 | zenzelezz | foxlit: what loop is that? |
| 20:43.02 | foxlit | essentially repeat until math.random(255) == 128 and math.random(255) == 128 and math.random(255) == 128 and math.random(255) == 128 |
| 20:43.54 | Amarande | foxlit: I'm pretty sure oddball random stuff like this is why the halting problem is NP-complete :P |
| 20:44.13 | Dagmar | The hams I know definitely make use of that |
| 20:44.51 | Dagmar | They're also precisely the people who'll run out the door with extra radios and transcievers the moment it even smells like they might be able to help |
| 20:45.44 | Shirik | the community out here is pretty active with the emergency response teams purely because we get a lot of fires and really only have volunteer fire departments |
| 20:45.59 | Shirik | so they make use of amateur radio teams to help facilitate firefighting |
| 20:46.03 | Amarande | yeah we have volunteer fire here ... though we really don't get that many fires |
| 20:46.06 | Shirik | a lot of wildfires* |
| 20:46.09 | Dagmar | Someone mentioned that sort of fing a few days ago and apparently thought the "self-policing" aspect was unusual. Except it's true because hams will hunt down people broadcasting unlicenced just for hte challenge |
| 20:46.24 | Amarande | knock on wood, since there seem to be a lot of dry, 'fire weather alert' days on weatherbug on nice summer weekend days where grilling is popular :S |
| 20:46.24 | Shirik | yeah lol |
| 20:46.27 | Dagmar | Shirik: yeah if you're deep in the woods, cell coverage isn't all that guaranteed |
| 20:46.30 | Shirik | direction finding is fun |
| 20:46.47 | Dagmar | Shirik: Some of htem were shocked to find out I used to do pirate FM without anyone noticing. :) |
| 20:46.53 | Shirik | o.O |
| 20:47.14 | Shirik | I guess it probably depends on where you're broadcasting. I suspect most hams don't bother checking outside of the amateur bands |
| 20:47.28 | Amarande | and given how tiny CT is compared to the wildfires I hear about, if we ever get a major wildfire we're going to be hearing oddness like there being 98 senators if you get my drift :P |
| 20:47.34 | Dagmar | When the local college station would go off-air on the weekend nights, the moment they turned off their transmitter, I'd turn mine on, make up an excuse about the previous DJ not being informed, and then continue to broadcast by all the regular rules for a few hours |
| 20:47.40 | Shirik | haha |
| 20:47.57 | Dagmar | I just used a 2W transmitter with aome helium baloons and a shitton of bell wire from a very high place |
| 20:48.25 | Dagmar | It covered a few miles that way. More than enough to keep the local night owl lunatics happy |
| 20:49.05 | Amarande | hah, and probably geekdom would rejoice in one of the world's biggest fits of schadenfreude if CT disappeared like that :P |
| 20:49.17 | Amarande | given our tendency to have some of the most anti-internet senators in the country :( |
| 20:49.25 | Amarande | at least Blumenthal supported net neutrality though |
| 20:50.52 | Amarande | of course after what Malloy did with taxes net neutrality is probably the only way we're going to get any e-commerce back ... |
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| 21:40.28 | Iriel | Shirik: Have you looked at TIS-100 yet? (itâs on steam, early access) |
| 21:41.38 | nevcairiel | that is one geeky game |
| 21:48.47 | Iriel | Itâs pretty awesome |
| 21:53.17 | Gnarfoz | anyone know if you can still get wowhead data in xml or some other format? |
| 21:53.36 | Gnarfoz | (or wowdb, for that matter) |
| 21:53.44 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/item=118475?xml |
| 21:54.14 | foxlit | "data" is probably overstating things; nobody has a sensible format for anything useful. |
| 21:54.22 | Gnarfoz | I guess my try with &xml failed, because I was on a list, not a specific item |
| 21:55.03 | Gnarfoz | I just want name, slot, armor type in plain text, without having to tip-toe around clicking item links, trimming trailing spaces and whatnot |
| 21:58.50 | foxlit | maybe http://wow.gamepedia.com/Nordrassil_Feral-Kilt?action=raw |
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| 22:00.47 | foxlit | should implement page aliases so you could do /item=30229, but meh. |
| 22:03.23 | Torhal | ~scramble Gnarfoz |
| 22:04.11 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 22:04.18 | Gnarfoz | how cruel |
| 22:05.10 | Torhal | :/ |
| 22:10.12 | Amarande | hah, one forum poster is giving a wishlist of things in the future of WoW and in big capital letters "PLEASE BALANCE PVP" |
| 22:10.24 | Amarande | yes, please balance pvp ... in an mmo ... I'd also like my jetpack and my perpetual motion machine, thanks :) |
| 22:10.58 | Amarande | and real life teleportation, can we have that too? :D |
| 22:11.08 | Amarande | that might actually be easier than balancing pvp in an mmo :) |
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