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| 01:18.46 | Amarande | bah, nvidia, why do you suck |
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| 01:23.15 | Dagmar | It's all that money they spend on R&D |
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| 01:25.54 | Amarande | heh |
| 01:26.20 | Amarande | I got my HDTV back, put it back in in place of the computer monitor so I have a nice sane and convenient setup instead of the mass of tangled A/V cords that was trying to use the monitor for everything |
| 01:26.42 | Amarande | ... and now I can't use the TV's native resolution because nVidia keeps shifting my image to the right without giving me any way of manually shifting it |
| 01:27.04 | Amarande | so I get a thin black bar at the left (about the size of a scroll bar) and the right hand side is correspondingly cut off (about the size of the scrollbar, again) |
| 01:27.26 | Amarande | this leads to lots of googling noticing nvidia seems to cause this problem a lot, and lots of frustration over nvidia's lack of versatile driver options |
| 01:28.02 | Amarande | really, if this were cars, it seems like nVidia would be like getting a Porsche 911 with the controls and dashboard of a Ford Focus. :P |
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| 01:41.47 | Dagmar | Your TV doesn't have an HDMI, DVI, or VGA port you can use? |
| 01:41.59 | Dagmar | Porch values shouldn't even happen with those. |
| 01:42.49 | Dagmar | I had _enough_ of that nonsense when I was using an analog TV and composite output |
| 01:43.15 | Dagmar | I made damn sure when I got the 42" digital that it had HDMI and VGA inputs. |
| 01:44.58 | Dagmar | You _can_ set an offset for analog component output. I just can't remember at the moment whether it was something I passed in Xorg.conf or the driver through a moduie parameter. |
| 01:47.14 | Amarande | Dagmar: I haven't tried on Linux yet, hopefully it's better there, I'll see later when I try booting my Ubuntu live disc |
| 01:47.36 | Amarande | and there's 2 HDMI, 2 component, and one VGA. Computer's connected to HDMI (which is where it ought to be and no I don't have VGA cables for this modern of a GPU) |
| 01:48.07 | Amarande | TV's a number of years old, I'm not sure if VGA has more options or not than HDMI |
| 01:48.25 | Amarande | Overscan is not the issue, that's already been disabled, and it's not "cut off on all sides" it's "shifted slightly so one side's cut off a bit" |
| 01:48.49 | Amarande | if I go down to 1280x768 it looks perfect but for the sidebars, the fact that c'mon shouldn't it be able to use the native res?, and it's still not quite centred |
| 01:51.58 | Dagmar | It should *absolutely* be able to use native res without a hitch. |
| 01:52.28 | Dagmar | There should be an alignment button in the menus for the TV somewhere that should fix it and it'll stay fixed if you're using native resolution. |
| 01:53.12 | Amarande | yeah, that's the thing, there's "fill screen" "overscan" and "standard" (aka "just show it like it is") options, but no form of direct horizontal or vertical shift |
| 01:53.16 | Dagmar | Frankly I trust nVidia's rescaling a bit better than I do the rescaling the average television uses, since _that_ tends to introduce a slight delay which is a lot of fun if you've got divergent paths for audio & video |
| 01:53.39 | Amarande | ... and apparently nVidia's drivers aren't obliging with a suitable option either ... they'll let you resize but not move |
| 01:54.27 | Amarande | in fact, nVidia's drivers seem to be quite spare in general in terms of options, especially on Windows |
| 01:54.46 | Amarande | most of the ones they do have are for tweaking 3D game experiences, not the basic video *sigh* |
| 01:55.12 | Dagmar | Oh you can generally set the same options with Windows that you can under Linux |
| 01:55.26 | Dagmar | The place where you have to set them is just especially arcane and even less documented, but they use the same names |
| 01:56.02 | Dagmar | Using a digital connection, the TV _should_ just go into "I R STUPID MONITOR" mode and stop trying to rescale or stretch anything unless you tell it otherwise |
| 01:56.16 | Amarande | Yeah, I wonder if it's because this TV is from 2007 |
| 01:56.34 | Dagmar | I've no idea. One of mine is older than that and no problems. |
| 01:56.55 | Dagmar | So long as I run in native res at 60hz, it's never been an issue |
| 01:57.15 | Dagmar | Seriously tho... MIND that you don't have the TV doing any rescaling |
| 01:57.58 | Dagmar | That'll introduce up to 75ms delay, which is weird for watching movies (and definitely enough to simulate being drunk as f**k if you're trying to play Guitar Hero) |
| 01:58.28 | Amarande | Wow, wonder if that's why everyone bitches about the lightning dodger in FFX remastered :) |
| 01:58.34 | Dagmar | TVs will compensate for it by delaying the audio, but if your audio just goes to a stereo reciever without ever passing through the TV... annoyances await |
| 01:58.43 | Dagmar | It could be |
| 01:59.06 | Dagmar | When I forgot about it I tried Guitar Hero and after 20 minutes of cussing and swearing and "SURELY I can't suck this much!" I finally realized what was happening |
| 01:59.12 | Amarande | although I'm using the TV for audio now, too |
| 01:59.14 | Dagmar | ...and why there's a setting in Guitar Hero to compensate. LOL |
| 01:59.17 | Amarande | that's a big reason why I put it back in |
| 01:59.37 | Amarande | trying to use the monitor for everything (so I don't have to find room for two screens) meant: |
| 02:00.08 | Amarande | HDMI switch for video because there's only the 1 DVI input on the monitor (which is from 2009) and while the computer's got DVI as an option, other devices have to use HDMI for digital |
| 02:00.52 | Amarande | and an utter and blood-tears inducing to look at welter of audio cables (plus a switch for that too, since the monitor has no built-in speakers and the Bose speakers I did have only had 2 sets of inputs) |
| 02:01.09 | Amarande | Could have tried using my old receiver but that would have put data at risk till I went SSD only :( |
| 02:01.55 | Amarande | with the TV? everything hooks to the TV (PS3, you just better still let me watch Blu-rays on component, even if it is at 720p ... not that it matters this TV's only 720p anyway :P) |
| 02:02.09 | Dagmar | The last time I tried to reorganize my cables the EPA got a judge to issue an injuction against it to prevent me destroying the natural habitat of several varieties of rats and dust mice. |
| 02:02.17 | Amarande | LOL |
| 02:02.35 | Dagmar | Now I'm just waiting patiently for someone to start producing a lot of cables in a color other than black. |
| 02:02.47 | Amarande | And you had to get an emergency rabies injection after disturbing said rats? |
| 02:03.12 | Dagmar | I *try* to use appropriate-length cables, but I still had a 6' x 7' x 4" space that was basically packed with snakes. |
| 02:03.32 | Amarande | (Mind you, if you really had rats, I would be very surprised if one or more cables didn't have sudden ... er ... air gaps ...) |
| 02:03.42 | Dagmar | "That's not a rat's nest, Dagmar. That's a rat CITADEL." |
| 02:04.17 | Amarande | also apparently I need to totally redo my WoW UI at this resolution |
| 02:04.31 | Amarande | it makes a Commodore 64 look good at the moment :) |
| 02:04.50 | Dagmar | Yeah changing aspect ratio tends to throw everything into disarray |
| 02:05.33 | Amarande | size, too, a lot of the font sizes don't work anymore (and the UI scale option is a temporary fix but makes things look horrid) |
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| 02:29.56 | WrathTECH | Blizzard completely removed support for WAV files now? |
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| 02:47.29 | Torhal | Yes. |
| 02:49.03 | Iriel | That might be the least informative partial conversation to arrive to hear. |
| 02:49.21 | Iriel | I suspect âMaybeâ or âDunnoâ could top it, slightly |
| 02:49.25 | fewyn | [10:29:58] <WrathTECH> Blizzard completely removed support for WAV files now? |
| 02:49.40 | fewyn | what do they support now? |
| 02:49.42 | fewyn | just ogg? |
| 02:49.45 | Iriel | Hm, I was hoping for something more scandalous |
| 02:50.43 | WrathTECH | MP3 still works |
| 02:51.03 | WrathTECH | But they pretty much fully went to OGG in all their sound files. |
| 02:51.42 | fewyn | that's the only reason i said ogg |
| 02:51.52 | fewyn | was i'm pretty sure almost every sound in the game is now ogg |
| 02:52.12 | WrathTECH | There is still some MP3 format ones, but very few. |
| 02:54.13 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: "So, I connect the red wire to the green lead as a pass-through to the igniter to complete the nutron bomb?" Better? |
| 02:56.33 | WrathTECH | *Aids Thunder_Child |
| 02:56.57 | Amarande | ... wow, wonder what the reason to remove .wav support was |
| 02:57.04 | Amarande | I always thought .wav was like as basic as it got |
| 02:57.43 | WrathTECH | Huge format due to no compression. They saved a ton of space getting rid of wav's and replaceing them with compresed files. |
| 02:58.17 | Amarande | well yeah that explains removing the official sound .wavs |
| 02:58.24 | Amarande | not so much removing it from the engine altogether though |
| 02:58.27 | WrathTECH | Yup Yup |
| 02:58.33 | Amarande | I'm guessing fiddly things like "potential attack surface" come into play when you're supporting unnecessary stuff though :S |
| 03:05.08 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: much better, thans. |
| 03:05.17 | Iriel | thanks, even |
| 03:05.27 | Iriel | I suspect wav files caused a ton of I/O contention |
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| 05:29.30 | Parnic | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ice-hud/tickets/188-icehud-causing-fatal-wow-error-132-access-violation/ so.....anyone have any advice on what i could possibly do about this? |
| 05:29.53 | Fisker | hey Parnic |
| 05:29.54 | Fisker | H E Y |
| 05:30.03 | Parnic | fisker my addon is apparently crashing the game. make it stop. |
| 05:30.48 | Fisker | Yes, but no |
| 05:31.36 | Fisker | well apparently it has something to do with him attacking |
| 05:31.40 | Fisker | and only his death knight |
| 05:31.46 | Parnic | right... |
| 05:31.54 | Parnic | and "blizzard told him" to contact me |
| 05:31.59 | Fisker | yeah |
| 05:32.00 | Parnic | as if i can do anything with a crash message |
| 05:33.03 | Fisker | got any death knight specific code? |
| 05:33.11 | Parnic | sure, i mean there's a runes module... |
| 05:33.18 | Parnic | other than that, not really |
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| 05:38.26 | Fisker | I do know there are specific things that can crash the game though Parnic |
| 05:38.32 | Parnic | well of course |
| 05:38.36 | Fisker | I think nevcairiel may know about it |
| 05:38.37 | Parnic | but those are on blizzard to fix |
| 05:38.44 | Fisker | Yeah but they won't |
| 05:38.44 | Parnic | that shouldn't be the addon author's job to avoid |
| 05:40.44 | Fisker | Nope |
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| 05:52.56 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/Zorbrix/status/596778878917566466 |
| 05:53.03 | bluspacecow | #largesourceislarge |
| 05:59.48 | Dagmar | They should try compiling Xorg or perhaps Firefox sometime |
| 06:00.57 | Dagmar | ...or just *anything* and pass gcc the options that let it optimize by sucking in THE ENTIRE CODE BASE at one go |
| 06:01.16 | Dagmar | Gcc will go climb a mountain to contemplate the nature of optimization. |
| 06:01.20 | Dagmar | Might return in a few years. |
| 06:01.34 | bluspacecow | so the complier can do a âAccidently .. I .. the entireâ¦â meme ? |
| 06:01.42 | Dagmar | Yes it can |
| 06:01.54 | Dagmar | The arglist for something like Firefox would be absolutely pornographic, but it would try to do it |
| 06:01.56 | bluspacecow | isnât that fattening ? |
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| 06:02.26 | bluspacecow | #lostfocususedwrongkey |
| 06:02.28 | bluspacecow | LOL |
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| 08:28.58 | Arrowmaster | omg finally home, such a long night |
| 08:29.30 | Torhal | !!! |
| 08:31.08 | Arrowmaster | 5 hours of driving total tonight for an 11 hour trip |
| 08:32.03 | Arrowmaster | want to know something |
| 08:32.46 | Arrowmaster | im sitting here wearing only my kilt because im too exhausted to mess with the buckles right now so i can put my pants on |
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| 08:40.42 | plaw | tacklehugs bluspacecow |
| 08:42.29 | bluspacecow | oh hi |
| 08:54.48 | Arrowmaster | going to try to get some sleep now, i hope the insomnia isnt too bad tonight as i have plans for tomorrow |
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| 08:58.52 | Dagmar | M*therf*cker it's a kilt. |
| 08:59.14 | Dagmar | I have seen women put on pants without removing a skirt. Try to channel their inner genius. |
| 08:59.27 | plaw | lolol https://twitter.com/pennjillette/status/596959145212784640 |
| 09:00.50 | nevcairiel | i dont get it |
| 09:01.24 | Dagmar | THey are openly teasing fanboys |
| 09:02.23 | plaw | nope, they just can't remember who wanted to get penn and teller in the bab5 episode. so penn's claiming the credit. |
| 09:02.40 | plaw | maybe a bit of teasing as well |
| 09:10.38 | Dagmar | "BTW Neil will be getting you those pages this week" <-- this is _very_ teasing |
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| 09:15.32 | Mr_Rabies | i'm a bit scared of JMS D: |
| 09:15.48 | Mr_Rabies | i do like neil gaiman, except when he's hanging out in my falafel |
| 09:16.14 | Dagmar | Well, try sticking with portobellos then instead of just picking whatever you see |
| 09:16.50 | Dagmar | Do you _really_ want to be the next guy on YouTube yammering on about double rainbows? |
| 09:17.03 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/aaRCGlg.png |
| 09:18.16 | Mr_Rabies | whoa jeez this is crisp http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/arthur/images/4/4a/Falafelosophy_1.jpg |
| 09:18.21 | plaw | Dagmar: yar, it's interesting that they're obv working on something together again. though can't help but think they've chatted on and off ever since about doing something else |
| 09:18.57 | plaw | Mr_Rabies: scared? |
| 09:19.30 | Mr_Rabies | well, not a big fan of his work, i guess |
| 09:19.43 | plaw | oh, right |
| 09:19.44 | Mr_Rabies | he wrote this mess: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman:_Grounded |
| 09:22.05 | plaw | he also wrote this thing of exceptional quality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changeling_%28film%29 |
| 09:22.37 | plaw | swings & roundabouts, I guess... |
| 09:56.40 | Dagmar | I might know what JMS was working on |
| 10:41.09 | karl_w_w | Michael Caine is gonna die soon and it's going to be a tragedy |
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| 11:02.10 | Fisker | Morning Ressy |
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| 12:21.00 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/NWSNHC/posts/875877715811043 greattt. |
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| 13:11.40 | jleclanche | jnwhiteh: ping |
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| 14:57.47 | jnwhiteh | jleclanche: pong |
| 14:57.56 | Fisker | Pang |
| 14:58.45 | Fisker | Hey jnwhiteh |
| 14:59.27 | jnwhiteh | <3 |
| 14:59.46 | Fisker | :3 |
| 15:00.03 | jleclanche | jnwhiteh: <3 you answered on gtalk |
| 15:00.09 | jnwhiteh | woot |
| 15:00.14 | jleclanche | jnwhiteh: although i dont get the use for this: |
| 15:00.14 | jleclanche | Like for, the if statement can start with a short statement to execute before the condition. |
| 15:00.26 | jleclanche | if v := math.Pow(x, n); v < lim { ... } |
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| 15:02.21 | jleclanche | I mean, I dont get the benefit over just doing it outside the if block |
| 15:02.31 | jleclanche | opti since its not avail outside of it? |
| 15:10.48 | jnwhiteh | well that's why you would use it |
| 15:10.52 | jnwhiteh | for things that only return errors |
| 15:11.06 | jnwhiteh | if err := file.Close(); err != nil { ... } |
| 15:11.16 | jleclanche | ah |
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| 15:29.06 | karl_w_w | is Powers any good? |
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| 16:24.45 | fewyn | karl_w_w: i didn't like it plus it's a playstation exclusive |
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| 18:33.47 | zenzelezz | "Before you close your account \n There's a problem. Please try again later." |
| 18:33.52 | zenzelezz | thanks Paypal |
| 18:42.39 | Arrowmaster | testing out a bootable flash drive i just made and forgot the system im using to test it is only 32bit |
| 18:52.19 | Gnarfoz | old-gen Atom? or where did you dig that up |
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| 21:26.02 | phelps | anyone need a 512mb vps, its from cloudatcost so the SLA is N/A, but it is free, forever |
| 21:26.38 | Amarande | whew, it's a good thing for linux gaming and steam's future that steamos finally supports AMD and Intel graphics |
| 21:26.44 | Amarande | because I'm beginning to learn one thing pretty danged good here |
| 21:27.14 | Amarande | and that's that if you're going to use a TV for your screen (whether with a normal Windows or Linux PC like me, or whether with a Steambox or HTPC), nVidia is a nightmare |
| 21:27.30 | Dagmar | _Your_ experience. |
| 21:27.34 | Dagmar | Mileage may vary |
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| 21:27.58 | phelps | AMD has always been a pita for me, nVidia really nice |
| 21:28.09 | Dagmar | I've got a whole PVR rig in the front room where I've never had your issue, and I've upgraded through four different video cards on it |
| 21:30.06 | Amarande | huh. and meanwhile the GeForce forums are littered with (probably many now former) nVidia users who could not solve the problem, many of whom are saying AMD works perfectly meanwhile |
| 21:30.22 | Amarande | I'm about to power down the rig and go pull the HD 7850 from the spare PC in the closet and see if that does any good |
| 21:30.43 | Dagmar | Keep in mind that for every gamer who knows what they're doing, there's 10 who are probably using mice that show signs of teethmarks |
| 21:31.57 | Amarande | Dagmar: aren't those from the rats that live in the cable tangle behind the electronics? :D |
| 21:32.12 | Dagmar | Sadly, no. |
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| 21:37.13 | Dagmar | If you thought Android forums were full of mouth-breathers, relatively the same thing is true in a lot of gaming forums |
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| 21:38.10 | Amarande | I barely read Android forums anyway, heh |
| 21:38.45 | Amarande | nVidia seems to basically be trying to thrust everything on TV makers' shoulders, though |
| 21:39.20 | Amarande | they just follow EDID slavishly and if you've got any kind of problems, well, basically hope the TV maker made an update that's still accessible or buy new hardware :P |
| 21:39.44 | Amarande | (these days, I get this sneaky feeling that they're proud of that stance because it means people might just go ahead and go to 4K and thus need to get that GTX 980 to go with it :P) |
| 21:40.08 | Dagmar | If you're seeing a visible porch because of EDID then the problem is with your TV. |
| 21:40.17 | Dagmar | You can also _disable_ the card's using EDID information. |
| 21:40.26 | Dagmar | That's an xorg configuration option |
| 21:40.33 | Amarande | 'specially since apparently even monitors (as in screens sold as such) that match TV resolutions have been known to get the same issues as TVs |
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| 21:41.05 | Amarande | It also seems in quite large part that hardware makers in general don't expect you to use HDMI for computers, as in it's supposed to be a set top box thing, computers use DVI or DP or VGA :P |
| 21:41.19 | Dagmar | TV manufacturers pretty much never update a damn thing |
| 21:41.26 | Arrowmaster | phelps: i might find a use for it |
| 21:42.49 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: TVs absolutely suck for anything |
| 21:43.07 | Arrowmaster | almost every manufacturer still thinks overscan on digital signals is a good idea |
| 21:43.50 | Dagmar | Haven't seen that either |
| 21:43.58 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: heh, sometimes I have to wonder if the copyright/DRM activists screwed us over, too |
| 21:44.04 | Arrowmaster | duh |
| 21:44.07 | Amarande | because they went on and on and effing on "DIGITAL IS SLAVERY!" |
| 21:44.21 | Amarande | and evangelising how we should stick to analog as long as possible |
| 21:44.31 | Dagmar | That's because HDCP is bullshit |
| 21:44.32 | Amarande | and thus probably created an impression that, yeah, digital was for STBs and computers use analog :P |
| 21:44.46 | Amarande | (because, I betcha if I hook this thing up as VGA, it'll work perfectly) |
| 21:45.00 | Amarande | (assuming I actually had DVI to VGA hardware hanging around somewhere, anyways) |
| 21:45.13 | Arrowmaster | you wont |
| 21:45.17 | Dagmar | The primary thing HDCP does is boost cable provider's revenue for selling a "PVR service" by making it ridiculously hard and/or expensive for a customer to use their own solution |
| 21:45.28 | Arrowmaster | unless your dvi out also does analog |
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| 21:45.56 | Amarande | yeah, one of the DVI outs is supposed to be DVI-I |
| 21:46.18 | Amarande | according to a cursory google of the 770, rather than looking at the actual back of the machine |
| 21:46.54 | Arrowmaster | thats not going to be accurate unless you are looking up the one from same manufacturer you have |
| 21:50.00 | phelps | Arrowmaster, PM ME BRAH |
| 21:50.10 | Amarande | yup, checked the original item reference at best buy, it's got DVI-I |
| 21:53.40 | Amarande | (also, why is it that these GPU makers can come out with awesome hardware and then they never quite manage to be as good with the drivers :P) |
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| 21:54.23 | Amarande | seems like it's been the case though pretty much ever since the dawn of 3D |
| 21:54.36 | Amarande | "And this video card would have worked beautiful and perfect if it wasn't for you meddling ki... er, drivers!" |
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| 22:07.41 | Amarande | ah here's a DVI to VGA adapter |
| 22:07.48 | Amarande | now question is do I have a VGA cable around anywhere anymore heh |
| 22:08.11 | Amarande | especially since Radio Shack wants friggin $35 for one, so I ain't buying a new one LOL |
| 22:08.39 | Amarande | No wonder they're bankrupt :P |
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| 22:16.32 | Dagmar | If EDID is your problem, you'll get the same EDID information over VGA as you did DVI. |
| 22:16.45 | Dagmar | So if EDID is your problem disable the EDID checks for xorg. |
| 22:18.56 | Amarande | I'm not entirely sure if it's EDID. A number of people who've had issues with screen misbehaviour on HDMI on nVidia have found it to be EDID, though. |
| 22:19.07 | Dagmar | Well, you know that stuff is logged, right? |
| 22:19.23 | Amarande | (Also, this TV seems to have some extra options for VGA that don't appear to be allowed on other inputs ...) |
| 22:19.30 | Dagmar | ...and you can tell Xorg to ignore the EDID information |
| 22:20.07 | Dagmar | if the weird porch values are happening as a result of the TV saying something (essentially) stupid to the PC, then that should eliminate the problem |
| 22:20.11 | Arrowmaster | again why i only use PC monitors and not TVs |
| 22:20.23 | Dagmar | PC monitors are not immune to this |
| 22:20.45 | Amarande | I have yet to really deeply investigate things in xorg as yet, I only know yet that things misbehaved somewhat differently when I booted ubuntu compared to how they misbehave in Windows |
| 22:20.46 | Dagmar | As far as I know, Dell is still in the habit of using the same EDID/DDC prom for an entire line of monitors, regardless of size |
| 22:20.52 | Arrowmaster | no but since everybody uses them for PCs its easy to get reviews of how they behave on PCs |
| 22:21.18 | Dagmar | ...so you'll have a 21 inch cheap-ass monitor that's telling the comupter it's actually only 17 inches in size, which fucks up the DPI calculations and makes fonts the wrong size |
| 22:21.24 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, from what I've heard the only reason I haven't seen this happen at all may be that my monitor, before I decided a TV would be more efficient and reduce the cord hell, was 1200p |
| 22:21.36 | Arrowmaster | and windows doesnt give a fuck what the monitor says the dpi is |
| 22:21.52 | Amarande | because apparently (and especially on nVidia) 1080p (or 720p) monitors can get the same glitchiness as TVs |
| 22:22.06 | Arrowmaster | linux does and uses that info to adjust font sizes and other stuff |
| 22:22.12 | Dagmar | Windows tends to idiotically assume a fixed size, but W7 is better about it than XP/Vista to be sure |
| 22:22.21 | Amarande | Dagmar: hah, you know what's ironic about that |
| 22:22.32 | Dagmar | Nah |
| 22:22.34 | Amarande | the one version of Windows I don't seem to be able to find anyone kvetching about the HDMI-HDTV blues under |
| 22:22.36 | Amarande | ... is Vista |
| 22:22.40 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 22:22.47 | Amarande | People had trouble with it on XP and they had trouble with it on 7, but it doesn't seem like anyone did on Vista |
| 22:22.51 | Arrowmaster | because.... nobody uses it |
| 22:23.08 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: some anecdotes were even "it worked fine on vista but when I tried xp or 7 it wigged out" |
| 22:23.20 | Dagmar | I can't remember if it's 75 or 100 but Windows used to just always assume one of the two |
| 22:23.27 | Arrowmaster | 96 |
| 22:23.46 | Dagmar | It pulled the same shit when you printed, too |
| 22:24.06 | Dagmar | Hence why so many web pages looked like insane-o bullshit if you dared print one |
| 22:24.32 | Amarande | Dagmar: I always thought that was because of things like frames and perhaps ad-related BS |
| 22:24.55 | Amarande | (plus many an MMO guide posted in blog format where if you weren't careful you ended up printing the whole 90 miles of comments too) |
| 22:25.05 | Dagmar | No, it's leftover insanity from WfWg days when it assumed 75 dpi fonts, IIRC |
| 22:25.31 | Dagmar | Not sure if it was 75 but it definitely didn't let youo chaneg the assumption easily |
| 22:25.46 | Arrowmaster | 96 for screen 75 for print |
| 22:25.53 | Dagmar | Danke |
| 22:26.19 | Dagmar | Okay. I *think* I've backported the dynamic tick-timer code from the fancy widget to one of the older ones. Let's see if it spinlocks the phone |
| 22:26.58 | Amarande | Dagmar: you forgot the flux capacitor |
| 22:27.03 | Dagmar | I kind of used the 'and they tell two friends' method, since the IDE makes it really easy to click on a function to see where it's being called |
| 22:27.45 | Dagmar | Amarande: If you saw this source code, you'd still be saying that |
| 22:28.25 | Dagmar | I'm doing a lot of weird shit because some of the values are relatively expensive to go re-get, and the garbage collector may or may not have flushed them in between events |
| 22:28.56 | Dagmar | ...but mostly it's all in Kwai Chang Caine mode |
| 22:29.24 | Dagmar | I've got a widget that updates every second but only uses four times the CPU of the stock Touchwiz clock that only updates once a minute |
| 22:29.34 | Dagmar | ...and I think I dropped that to 2x last night |
| 22:29.38 | Dagmar | Shame on Samsung |
| 22:30.13 | Dagmar | So long as no one uses a "battery saver" on it, everythings happy |
| 22:30.32 | Dagmar | Turns out the initialization cost of bringing those classes up out of wherever is pretty fucking high |
| 22:30.49 | Dagmar | CPU utilization shoots up 30x-40x |
| 22:31.02 | Dagmar | Enough to compete with the damn _screen_ |
| 22:32.38 | Arrowmaster | im not feeling well so im blasting metal on the speakers loudly and neighbors can fuck off if they dont like it |
| 22:32.59 | Arrowmaster | debating turning it up even louder so i can go outside and smoke a cigar |
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| 22:34.22 | Dagmar | Like I used to say on the air, "You're listening to 91.1 WRVU, Nashville, and if you're _not_, well then your neighbor's stereo is just about right." |
| 22:34.43 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 22:34.51 | Dagmar | (also "...it might be time to get that bridgework looked at.") |
| 22:35.10 | Arrowmaster | got a good symphonic metal station on google music going |
| 22:36.25 | Dagmar | Ugh |
| 22:36.44 | Dagmar | I had temporarily forgotten that I set up ADB over Wifi last week on this other phone |
| 22:37.22 | Dagmar | I pushed the 'Run' button, realized I'd sent it to the wrong phone, then looked over and noticed it wasn't even in the cradle... |
| 22:37.32 | Dagmar | _watched it update anyway_ |
| 22:38.31 | Dagmar | I very much did lean back away from the phone for a moment there |
| 22:43.53 | Amarande | hmmm, what sucks is that if I have to use the VGA connector on this TV, then I wasted ... all of five bucks buying a component cable for the PS3, heh |
| 22:46.09 | Amarande | (now do I actually have a VGA cable, that is the $35 question ...) |
| 22:46.58 | Amarande | well, hm, more like $4 if I had to order one from the Egg |
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| 23:49.50 | Amarande | drat. no, I don't have a VGA cable. wonder what happened to the one that I thought was downstairs |
