| 00:00.20 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 00:00.30 | VIad | also I'd be surprised if someone doesn't get the social frame tainted :p |
| 00:12.43 | znf | I didn't notice it tainting for me |
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| 01:03.42 | Ironi | they stated earlier that they won't allow addons to do much with it |
| 01:03.48 | Ironi | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/17779097/tweetin%E2%80%99-while-wowin%E2%80%99-2-10-2015 |
| 01:05.05 | VIad | Ironi: could just make it more durable at least. maybe my aurora taints it |
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| 01:09.03 | Ironi | btw, according to Blizzard_SocialUI.lua you should be able to add new text with addons |
| 01:09.33 | Ironi | https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/AddOns/Blizzard_SocialUI/Blizzard_SocialUI.lua line 75 -> |
| 01:10.40 | VIad | I tried to :GetText() and got a blocked warning, weird |
| 01:11.01 | VIad | probably need to use their attribute "settext" |
| 01:11.13 | VIad | but yeah maybe there is hope :o |
| 01:12.18 | Ironi | mhh, the file is really well commented :o |
| 01:18.33 | Ironi | VIad try https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/AddOns/Blizzard_SocialUI/Blizzard_SocialUIInbound.lua |
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| 01:27.05 | VIad | sad blizz haven |
| 01:27.16 | VIad | added any new non-raid content, like dungeons :/ |
| 01:27.56 | kullervo | dungeons are pretty poorly receivec |
| 01:27.59 | kullervo | in general |
| 01:27.59 | VIad | even raid content getting stale, brf has been in the game since early wod, they just put artificial timer on it to open it up, but since then, no new dungeons :( |
| 01:28.13 | VIad | they didnt make any new bg either - not counting ashran |
| 01:28.30 | VIad | not sure if raids alone are enough |
| 01:28.51 | VIad | tbh kind of bored in my garrison atm, loads of stuff to do but nothing that rewards me :p |
| 01:29.12 | VIad | 6.1 added a ton more dailies, like do old dungeons for heirlooms - lord |
| 01:29.24 | VIad | as a non raider but pveer I love dungeons |
| 01:29.33 | VIad | I'd like new dungeons, make them like miniraids :P |
| 01:29.42 | VIad | make 10 man into 5 man done you got a dungeon |
| 01:30.24 | VIad | I kind of miss the tbc raid model where the next tier of raid was in the game, long before people couild do it at all |
| 01:30.51 | VIad | was a nice carrot :p had no new dungeons back then either though... that was lame, but I was raiding so didnt notice the boredom :P |
| 01:31.03 | VIad | dunno, just add something else than heirlooms and apexis farm |
| 01:31.26 | VIad | the 8 dungeons we got are boring now, and outdated to hell |
| 01:31.38 | VIad | nothing else to do pve wise except raid |
| 01:31.43 | VIad | lfr doesn't count :p |
| 01:33.29 | VIad | btw 6.1 was a really lame content patch if you as kme |
| 01:35.24 | VIad | all the garrison additions just add more things to do but the rewards aren |
| 01:35.27 | VIad | really that good :P |
| 01:36.33 | VIad | blood elf models, twitter, heirlooms, nice additions but not enough if you ask me, like a .1 patch you'd expect new game content like pvp, pve, content that feels like progress |
| 01:37.22 | VIad | the invasions are boring too, sounded nice but in the end its just each invasion uses other models but the same thing happens for all, nothing changes. |
| 01:37.34 | VIad | garrison bosses also sound nice but, like invasions, the rewards arent upgrades :P |
| 01:39.47 | VIad | only new pve content for non raiders is the compaign that unlocks a quest part each week |
| 01:40.08 | VIad | lore wise it's nice, other than that, meh... |
| 01:40.16 | Semlar | tries to calm vlad down |
| 01:40.33 | VIad | I'm sorry but when the game is 3 months old and 6.1 is already outdated :( |
| 01:40.38 | VIad | not being in a raiding guild |
| 01:40.44 | VIad | the dungeons are piss boring |
| 01:40.49 | VIad | nothing pve to keep me entertained |
| 01:40.57 | Semlar | you could, i don't know, do something else |
| 01:41.07 | kd3 | there are other games out there |
| 01:41.17 | VIad | I am at 60 hours dragon age inquisition atm |
| 01:41.23 | kullervo | VIad: do you even have challenge gold yet? |
| 01:41.33 | VIad | no kullervo it's really shit experience to do with pugs :P |
| 01:41.46 | VIad | if I had time for a guild I'd probably raid and challenge modes |
| 01:41.51 | kullervo | that's the current challenging 5-man content |
| 01:41.56 | VIad | for guilds |
| 01:42.14 | kullervo | if there was any more 5-man content it'd have to be challenging as well if the rewards were any good |
| 01:42.20 | VIad | I'd rather use a sandpaper condom than to try pug challenge modes for gold :P |
| 01:42.30 | Semlar | how have you been playing the game this long without finding a guild for you |
| 01:42.50 | VIad | also CM is 660 ilvl isnt it? already outdated if you raid, yet it requires a good group like from a guild to do :p |
| 01:42.57 | VIad | I cba |
| 01:43.01 | kullervo | I remember when I didn't have a guild |
| 01:43.01 | VIad | guilds take a lot of time |
| 01:43.06 | Semlar | and how do you not have time for a guild but have run out of things to do |
| 01:43.25 | VIad | a guild is a commitment |
| 01:43.32 | kullervo | I pugged something and people just kept asking me if I'd like to join theirs as a healer |
| 01:43.57 | VIad | I don't got enough time for a guild so I don't join one and rather do what else is available -not much in short |
| 01:44.15 | Semlar | i guarantee you could find a guild that didn't require you to do anything |
| 01:44.28 | VIad | yeah if I join as a social rank :p |
| 01:44.38 | VIad | not quite my cup |
| 01:44.50 | VIad | a guild is for guild activities and they take time and dedication |
| 01:44.55 | kullervo | many good guilds have a social rank |
| 01:45.10 | VIad | sorry but if you dont dedicate yourself better not be in a guild |
| 01:45.11 | kullervo | and they occasionally let socials join stuff assuming they're not really fucking awful |
| 01:45.37 | kd3 | I'm quite happy being social-rank in a guild |
| 01:45.41 | kd3 | I don't have the time to raid any more |
| 01:46.04 | Semlar | the vast majority of people playing the game aren't hardcore raiders |
| 01:46.25 | VIad | still why can't blizz make more dungeon content for the major patches? |
| 01:46.32 | kullervo | we'd probably finally kill blackhand H tomorrow but that's so not happening if I don't show up |
| 01:46.39 | VIad | .1, .2, .3, add one new dungeon at least |
| 01:46.45 | VIad | and give it some lore and meaning and done |
| 01:46.47 | kd3 | because dungeons take roughly as much dev time as raids but have nowhere near the half-life? |
| 01:46.50 | kullervo | but I feel like nuuuuuuuuu, but there are only two MS tanks :| |
| 01:46.57 | Semlar | LFR is the equivalent of dungeons |
| 01:47.09 | VIad | meh |
| 01:47.16 | VIad | its desensitiez you |
| 01:47.18 | Semlar | plus challenge modes are literally harder versions of the dungeons you have |
| 01:47.25 | VIad | lfr is a mob of people that just button spam and finish it |
| 01:47.26 | Semlar | if you really want to do dungeons |
| 01:47.29 | VIad | in a 5 man HC you can wipe |
| 01:47.34 | VIad | you can't in a lfr, it's a joke |
| 01:47.38 | Semlar | ha |
| 01:47.40 | kullervo | VIad: no, they actually stated lfr is meant to be treated that way |
| 01:47.47 | kullervo | do you even read the blue posts about the things you complain about? |
| 01:47.49 | VIad | lfr in mop was harder than it is now |
| 01:47.52 | kd3 | sure you can, wing 2 of BRF has some lfr-wiping bosses |
| 01:47.57 | Semlar | plus you can do normal modes with the premade finder |
| 01:48.08 | kullervo | heroic modes* |
| 01:48.09 | VIad | the premade finder is 80% groups disband |
| 01:48.26 | Semlar | eh |
| 01:48.34 | VIad | each time you do it it's like teaching people the strategy, every single time |
| 01:48.40 | VIad | tbh premade finder is crap for raiding |
| 01:48.48 | VIad | rather be in a guild in that case |
| 01:48.57 | VIad | at least the guys would learn it after you teach them |
| 01:49.03 | Semlar | you don't want to dedicate yourself to a guild to raid, but you don't want to do any of the other content |
| 01:49.21 | VIad | just give me a new dungeon one in a while |
| 01:49.23 | VIad | I'll be happy with that |
| 01:49.39 | Semlar | why 5 mans |
| 01:49.41 | VIad | I really enjoyed when they added the ZG dungeon and ZA revamps |
| 01:49.49 | VIad | and the end time dungeon parts |
| 01:50.02 | VIad | because you can pug it, it's new content, not too hard to grasp |
| 01:50.06 | VIad | nice balance |
| 01:51.12 | VIad | can't graph it but at certain point it starts to get annoying to do stuff with pugs, at certain difficulty. I don't think that line is crossed in 5 man HCs - but the current once are old by now sadly. |
| 01:51.59 | VIad | game has different tiers, raiding is on the far right, before that you got CM and pugging raids, then 5 man HCs, and so forth. it's important to release content for all those tiers, not just raids :P |
| 01:52.15 | VIad | but feels like only raiding is prioritized these days |
| 01:52.17 | Semlar | i would honestly group CMs with raiding |
| 01:52.29 | Semlar | at least if you're serious about it |
| 01:52.34 | VIad | yeah difficulty wise I'd say you should CM with your raid buddies |
| 01:52.44 | VIad | it does require focus and attention, and the ability to learn and patience |
| 01:52.45 | Ironi | if you are aiming for gold, yea |
| 01:52.52 | Semlar | IF YOU'RE NOT FIRST YOU'RE LAST |
| 01:53.23 | Semlar | i wonder what they're going to do with everbloom, because we couldn't make gold before they put up road blocks to prevent you from skipping half the trash |
| 01:53.26 | VIad | done several copper and silver CM but not fun when you pug it, it's just hard and it doesn't get easier as each time you do it new retards join that you need to explain to. |
| 01:53.27 | Neffi | no Semlar |
| 01:53.34 | Neffi | it goes: if you're not last, you're first |
| 01:53.42 | Semlar | that's ridiculous neffi |
| 01:53.49 | VIad | they said they'd reset the timers for skyreach and everbloom CM |
| 01:54.09 | Semlar | maybe you should make friends so you don't have to complain about pugs |
| 01:54.16 | VIad | also I did not appreciate the ninja patch of the http://www.wowhead.com/item=118235/ogre-diving-cap to become BOP |
| 01:54.27 | VIad | my bank character has 5 bags that it don't need now :/ |
| 01:54.41 | VIad | I have but they are like me and got bored of none content for non raiders |
| 01:54.51 | VIad | we did all the HCs |
| 01:55.03 | VIad | we did some CMs but CMs suck because LFR rewards better ilvl than CMs :P |
| 01:55.11 | VIad | so progress wise CM became pointless |
| 01:55.14 | Semlar | CM rewards are 660 |
| 01:55.24 | VIad | and lfr brf 655? |
| 01:55.32 | Semlar | i have no idea |
| 01:55.35 | kullervo | lfr brf is 645 isn't it? |
| 01:55.39 | kullervo | oh sorryh brf |
| 01:55.41 | VIad | highmaul missions in garrison give me 670 atm |
| 01:55.58 | kullervo | lfr loot is supposed to be lame and look like clown suits, anyway |
| 01:56.04 | VIad | it is |
| 01:56.10 | Ironi | you can even get wf brf mythic, no point in raiding |
| 01:56.14 | VIad | but CM rewards can be bundled with the lfr rewards if you ask me |
| 01:56.19 | Ironi | just stay in the garrison and idle for 14 days |
| 01:56.24 | kullervo | Ironi: can't get tier or weapons |
| 01:56.26 | Ironi | and whine on forums that you don't have enough content to clear |
| 01:56.29 | Semlar | lol |
| 01:57.05 | VIad | I didnt have this problem in cata, and I didnt raid back then either. |
| 01:57.15 | VIad | but they did add some new dungeons then |
| 01:57.21 | Semlar | yeah, LFR is the new dungeons |
| 01:57.25 | VIad | it's horrible |
| 01:57.35 | Semlar | the premade finder is there to help you find groups |
| 01:57.45 | VIad | they just substitute 5 man content with lfr content and reuse the raiding development and rescale that |
| 01:57.48 | Semlar | we don't need more 5 mans, we need more raids |
| 01:57.57 | Ironi | compared to cata, you have CM, lfr and normal modes |
| 01:58.01 | VIad | blizz lacks new raids too AND 5 mans |
| 01:58.07 | VIad | both should exist simultaneously |
| 01:58.14 | VIad | they said they hired like 100 more devs for WOD |
| 01:58.22 | VIad | why can't some of them make a dungeon on the side? :P |
| 01:58.29 | Semlar | they're busy making garrison facebook apps |
| 01:58.33 | VIad | idd |
| 01:58.33 | kd3 | and how quickly do you expect them to get up to speed with the codebase and tools? |
| 01:58.37 | Ironi | back in the 'old days' you needed new 5mans as a catch up mechanic, now you don't |
| 01:58.52 | kullervo | cata was terrible >_> |
| 01:58.55 | VIad | over the years I am sure the dev tools became better |
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| 01:59.01 | kullervo | almost as bad as the end of wotlk |
| 01:59.02 | VIad | probably much easier to develop now than before |
| 01:59.20 | VIad | one person can probably build an instance much quicker than 10 years ago :P |
| 01:59.26 | VIad | probably needed a team for that back then |
| 01:59.54 | Semlar | with the flex system and the premade finder and lfr raids are much more accessible than they used to be |
| 01:59.59 | Ironi | i wanna see the guy who makes the textures,code,models,lore for one intance |
| 02:00.02 | Semlar | 5 mans are far less important |
| 02:00.29 | VIad | Semlar: you go flex alone and meet new retards each time and end up in groups that disband after 4 hours and one boss kill, e.g. |
| 02:00.37 | VIad | better just join a guild :P |
| 02:00.43 | Semlar | i don't need to because i'm in a god damn guild |
| 02:00.50 | Ironi | then you want more solo content? |
| 02:00.52 | VIad | point is the flex isn't good enough bridge |
| 02:01.07 | VIad | flex would be nice if it had a queue system and paired you up with people with your MMR :P |
| 02:01.20 | VIad | i.e. you do 10 flexes, it makes a profile of you and pairs you up with others similar |
| 02:01.26 | Ironi | mhh, all you need to do is smash your head to your keyboard every few seconds and move away from the fire |
| 02:01.28 | Semlar | i fail to see how 5 mans with random players is any different |
| 02:01.30 | VIad | i.e. after 50 flexes you'd probably end up in good groups |
| 02:01.38 | VIad | 5 people to teach |
| 02:01.40 | VIad | better than 20 |
| 02:01.45 | VIad | more doable |
| 02:01.50 | Ironi | do normal/flex mode with 10 people |
| 02:02.00 | VIad | flex is, one wipe, 4 leave |
| 02:02.03 | VIad | replace with 4 new |
| 02:02.07 | VIad | teach |
| 02:02.08 | VIad | and repeat |
| 02:02.14 | VIad | most of them in my experience |
| 02:02.17 | VIad | getting old really fast |
| 02:02.20 | Ironi | how about not inviting every retard who wants to join? |
| 02:02.26 | Semlar | there is no way in hell nobody knows the mechanics of the boss fights |
| 02:02.30 | VIad | only tool available is achievement and ilvl |
| 02:02.33 | VIad | not really good tools |
| 02:02.38 | VIad | oh boy |
| 02:02.41 | VIad | so many retards |
| 02:02.53 | VIad | last time I flexed I only joined guildgroups that did alt run |
| 02:02.54 | Semlar | i have used the premade finder before and it really wasn't that bad |
| 02:02.59 | VIad | worked much better |
| 02:03.03 | Semlar | and that was raiding heroic content |
| 02:03.07 | Ironi | y ;P |
| 02:03.09 | VIad | maybe EU sucks more |
| 02:03.14 | VIad | maybe my realm sucks :P |
| 02:03.18 | Ironi | i have used it a few times, wasnt that bad |
| 02:03.20 | Semlar | well it's not limited to your realm |
| 02:03.25 | Ironi | or mayby the problem is you ? ;) |
| 02:03.40 | VIad | doubt it |
| 02:03.48 | VIad | if it was it will show quickly as the tank |
| 02:03.59 | VIad | usually mechanics not handled by the dps is the cause of wipes |
| 02:04.19 | Ironi | dps can ignore most of the mechanics in normal |
| 02:04.26 | VIad | if you dont wipe sure |
| 02:04.35 | Semlar | not wiping is what i do best |
| 02:04.45 | Semlar | wait that didn't come out right |
| 02:04.56 | VIad | like if you consciously skip a mechanic knowing it works, fine |
| 02:05.08 | VIad | :p |
| 02:05.24 | VIad | anyway if you want to raid just join a guild |
| 02:05.26 | VIad | flex sucks |
| 02:05.31 | VIad | thats my two cents |
| 02:05.44 | Ironi | im in a guild and i still use flex with my alts |
| 02:05.45 | VIad | if flex do 50% guild alt run or something at least :p |
| 02:05.47 | Semlar | um we have flex raids every week |
| 02:05.59 | VIad | guild flex raid is luxury |
| 02:06.06 | Semlar | where we bring the not-so-interested-in-raiding guildies |
| 02:06.10 | VIad | join a truly random flex raid where no one knows each other - glhf :P |
| 02:06.17 | VIad | it's a nightmare |
| 02:06.20 | Ironi | those are mainly the ones that i go to |
| 02:06.22 | Semlar | join. a. guild. |
| 02:06.30 | VIad | that's what I said |
| 02:06.35 | Semlar | why aren't you joining a guild |
| 02:06.55 | VIad | but considering lack of time, no raid for me, no guild, stopped flexing because it's just worse, considering its harder than just having a guild :p |
| 02:07.09 | Ironi | i have been playing wow for 10 years and i have always raided with pugs, it really isn't that bad, all you need is one guy leading it |
| 02:07.09 | VIad | I am casual these days |
| 02:07.22 | Semlar | you have got to have guilds that aren't doing particularly difficult content |
| 02:07.33 | Semlar | that wouldn't require you to be there all the time |
| 02:07.45 | VIad | do people still do forum applications? |
| 02:07.49 | VIad | something tells me we twitter |
| 02:07.54 | Ironi | ..yea? |
| 02:08.07 | VIad | back then we did forum apps for everything |
| 02:08.14 | VIad | now maybe only mythic guilds do forum apps |
| 02:08.20 | VIad | or heroic |
| 02:08.22 | Semlar | there's like an in-game guild recruitment thing |
| 02:08.28 | VIad | dunno |
| 02:08.33 | VIad | feels too much like a trade chat guild |
| 02:08.39 | VIad | if you do the guild recruit thing |
| 02:08.40 | Ironi | i still think almost every raiding guild has a forum that they use |
| 02:08.41 | nevcairiel | we tend to just directly interview the candidates in voice |
| 02:08.42 | Semlar | you are so god damn picky |
| 02:08.52 | Semlar | for someone who wants a casual guild |
| 02:08.57 | VIad | I am picky! |
| 02:09.06 | VIad | so picky I made my own guild back when I raided |
| 02:09.08 | Ironi | nevcairiel but how do they become candidates? |
| 02:09.14 | VIad | because I found the guilds I joined to be retardely leaded :P |
| 02:09.29 | VIad | and it worked out fine but it takes a lot of time to run your own guild :P |
| 02:09.42 | Semlar | a lot of the people in our guild are just friends and family of people who are already in the guild |
| 02:09.54 | nevcairiel | Ironi: they just directly talk to an officer ingame usually who asks the first basic questions |
| 02:10.06 | VIad | btw I think US is better |
| 02:10.14 | VIad | when I played the betas in US on the US servers |
| 02:10.17 | VIad | like no language barriers at all |
| 02:10.23 | Semlar | well that's because USA is #1 |
| 02:10.27 | Ironi | then why don't you play on US servers ? |
| 02:10.28 | Semlar | USA USA |
| 02:10.30 | VIad | in EU so many languages, often meeting people that don't even speak english with me :P |
| 02:10.44 | nevcairiel | VIad: join the german realm pools, only germans in it |
| 02:11.00 | VIad | I dislike people not wanting to learn english :P |
| 02:11.08 | nevcairiel | only the "english" pool is a mixed bag of languages |
| 02:11.12 | nevcairiel | which is kinda ironic :P |
| 02:11.13 | VIad | should be english only policy |
| 02:11.44 | VIad | wish I could setup some social profile in wow |
| 02:11.51 | VIad | so the game filters the scrubs automatically |
| 02:12.12 | VIad | setup what language you want to speak to others, make it so everyone that didnt reply like you are invisible in the game, e.g. :P |
| 02:12.37 | VIad | add some criteria for the game to follow and tailor your own world bubble! |
| 02:12.43 | VIad | would be nice in some cases |
| 02:12.48 | nevcairiel | people would just lie on those options |
| 02:12.57 | Ironi | you have found more problems with the wow community in the last 10mins that i have found in 10years |
| 02:13.01 | VIad | should be things like billing address |
| 02:13.01 | nevcairiel | "everyone pick english, gets you groups faster" |
| 02:13.13 | VIad | so I could say if it wasn't in one of the accepted countries then invisible you go! |
| 02:13.25 | Ironi | and that doesn't make any sense at all |
| 02:13.26 | Ironi | ;P |
| 02:13.31 | VIad | sure it does |
| 02:13.38 | VIad | you pay with a visa from X country |
| 02:13.48 | Ironi | why? becouse people outside of UK doesn't speak english in europe? |
| 02:14.01 | VIad | chances are higher |
| 02:14.06 | VIad | so for safety :P |
| 02:14.09 | VIad | I'd filter them away |
| 02:14.20 | Ironi | it depends on the realm that you/they are playing on |
| 02:14.23 | nevcairiel | you are not from a english speaking country |
| 02:14.26 | nevcairiel | so what now? |
| 02:14.27 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 02:14.39 | VIad | at least I'd probably find more norwegians! |
| 02:14.42 | Semlar | i only want to play with people who are better than i am |
| 02:14.42 | VIad | so it would work out for me |
| 02:14.56 | nevcairiel | Semlar: thats easy |
| 02:14.57 | Ironi | Semlar option like that would be awesome |
| 02:14.58 | VIad | subscriber for # years criteria, Semlar |
| 02:14.59 | Semlar | how dare you |
| 02:15.02 | Ironi | realms would seem really empty tho |
| 02:15.16 | VIad | at least those left would probably work out |
| 02:15.26 | nevcairiel | [x] has blizzard 10 year trophy |
| 02:15.29 | VIad | yes |
| 02:15.44 | VIad | [x] uses X addon |
| 02:15.45 | nevcairiel | they should've totally given me some ingame thingy as well to show off |
| 02:15.55 | Semlar | a trophy hat? |
| 02:15.58 | VIad | I've played 10 years but different accounts :P |
| 02:16.04 | Ironi | VIad yes, becouse every player who has played for 5 years has to atleast mythic brf material |
| 02:16.10 | VIad | nah |
| 02:16.25 | nevcairiel | playing long has absolutely zero relation to skill |
| 02:16.26 | VIad | doesn't hurt to try trim away the scrubs |
| 02:16.37 | Semlar | how long have you been playing and aren't geared for raiding |
| 02:17.07 | VIad | if that was for me, I am 660 ilvl on my tank and I think it's raid ready :p I mean it's what blizz allows me to obtain atm. |
| 02:17.23 | VIad | gear wise I think I meet the requirements just fine |
| 02:17.27 | Ironi | no, blizzard allows you to obtain 701ilvl |
| 02:17.30 | Semlar | hey blizzard isn't holding you back from doing higher level content |
| 02:17.58 | VIad | blizzards shift to make LFR and skip 5 man content is what bothers me :P |
| 02:18.08 | VIad | I enjoyed the cata focus of lfr too, but also 5 man |
| 02:18.16 | VIad | the added 5 mans helped a lot |
| 02:18.23 | kd3 | cata focus? it only existed for DS |
| 02:18.24 | nevcairiel | this expansion didnt really have many less 5mans than other xpacs |
| 02:18.26 | VIad | hope WOD won't be totally empty of 5 mans |
| 02:18.32 | VIad | I mean't DS |
| 02:18.48 | Semlar | i'm not going back to 5 mans to get gear as a raider |
| 02:18.59 | nevcairiel | if it would improve me, i would |
| 02:18.59 | VIad | wouldn't matter for you |
| 02:19.02 | VIad | you have a guild |
| 02:19.08 | VIad | it would just be a 5m an guild party |
| 02:19.28 | VIad | it's just the same now as always for raiders |
| 02:19.35 | VIad | everthing below raiding is much easier often |
| 02:19.54 | VIad | you wouldn't mind doing 5m an if gear was good |
| 02:19.59 | Semlar | yes i would |
| 02:20.01 | nevcairiel | in any case, 5m give you enough gear to go raiding, normal highmaul works perfectly fine on 630 gear |
| 02:20.12 | Semlar | i don't want to be restricted to 5 people when they have the flex system and i have a guild full of raiders |
| 02:20.18 | VIad | nevcairiel: not if you get retards that can't strat or dont wanna learn :( |
| 02:20.27 | nevcairiel | VIad: thats not blizzards problem |
| 02:20.31 | nevcairiel | they made lfr for those people |
| 02:20.54 | VIad | I think the challenge is better in 5 man HC |
| 02:20.55 | VIad | than LFR |
| 02:21.07 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 02:21.16 | Semlar | listen, if they added a new 5 man that was difficult enough to be relevant it would definitely require some strategy |
| 02:21.30 | VIad | like any dungeon it's never tooo hard |
| 02:21.37 | Semlar | did you play in wrath |
| 02:21.39 | VIad | but enjoyable |
| 02:21.42 | VIad | yes I tanked then too |
| 02:21.43 | Ironi | LFR is there so everyone can get gear for normal modes and see the content if they don't want to raid |
| 02:21.51 | nevcairiel | if you want small group content, you can just do challenge modes, they reward 660 gear now afterall |
| 02:21.58 | Semlar | when they added the 5 mans in wrath, it was not easy |
| 02:22.08 | Semlar | halls of reflection |
| 02:22.14 | Semlar | when it first came out |
| 02:22.16 | VIad | the CM rewards aren't appealing when I am 660 geared without doing any raids :( |
| 02:22.28 | VIad | also still reused old content |
| 02:22.33 | VIad | kind of boring to look at :P |
| 02:22.36 | VIad | no more skyreach! |
| 02:22.45 | VIad | oh I loved it |
| 02:22.47 | VIad | halls of origins |
| 02:22.48 | Ironi | you were happy with ZG/ZA re use, so why not challange modes? |
| 02:22.59 | VIad | ehm |
| 02:23.05 | VIad | zg/za were from the previous expansion |
| 02:23.07 | VIad | came back as HC |
| 02:23.11 | VIad | the CM are same dungeons |
| 02:23.16 | Ironi | yeah i know, still boring and reused |
| 02:23.18 | VIad | only mobs scale up and you don't scale |
| 02:23.31 | Semlar | actually i'm pretty sure the mobs are the same |
| 02:23.39 | VIad | they did some tweaks |
| 02:23.42 | VIad | wasn't a copy paste |
| 02:23.47 | VIad | like the MC event was |
| 02:23.51 | Ironi | if you want to see 'new' reused content, go run low level 5mans |
| 02:23.57 | Ironi | they did change them in 6.0 |
| 02:24.02 | Ironi | some of them anyways |
| 02:24.02 | VIad | werent they remaking some dungeons? |
| 02:24.04 | VIad | like kraul? |
| 02:24.05 | VIad | downs? |
| 02:24.08 | nevcairiel | they did |
| 02:24.15 | nevcairiel | one of them at least |
| 02:24.16 | VIad | why arent they in the dungeon finder? |
| 02:24.17 | nevcairiel | maybe both |
| 02:24.18 | nevcairiel | i forget |
| 02:24.22 | Ironi | ..they are? |
| 02:24.23 | kd3 | because they're for at-levels, not level 100s |
| 02:24.26 | VIad | I heard they were doing level 100 remakes |
| 02:24.29 | VIad | oh |
| 02:24.37 | Ironi | rfk and bfd got some changes atleast |
| 02:24.38 | kd3 | the only 100 remake was ubrs |
| 02:24.39 | VIad | I remembered they'd remake them as HC for level 100 |
| 02:24.43 | kd3 | nope |
| 02:25.03 | VIad | well that's lame |
| 02:25.13 | VIad | might as well have made those revamps level 100 HCs too |
| 02:25.29 | Ironi | sure, that fits the lore perfectly |
| 02:25.55 | Semlar | pfft lore |
| 02:25.57 | VIad | could have utilized those 100 developers better maybe :P |
| 02:25.58 | nevcairiel | in their usual state they would be too trivial probably, so they would spent some time to actually make them 100-HC worthy, and yeah the lore problem, why would you go there and kill thos guys randomly |
| 02:25.59 | Gethe | they wern't really revamps though, not like ubrs was |
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| 02:26.19 | Gethe | plus it wouldn't fit the current story |
| 02:26.24 | Ironi | same zone, different mobs |
| 02:26.38 | VIad | I felt they have a lot of lore for WOD |
| 02:26.45 | VIad | can probably spare some sidequest and make a 5m an out of it |
| 02:27.15 | Ironi | i doubt they make 5mans for wod, scenarios mayby |
| 02:27.22 | VIad | about scenarios |
| 02:27.25 | VIad | those kind of died after mop |
| 02:27.26 | VIad | :P |
| 02:27.32 | VIad | no scenarios now ^^ |
| 02:27.43 | Ironi | yap |
| 02:27.44 | VIad | dunno scenarios were weird if you ask me |
| 02:27.48 | VIad | like no good rewards |
| 02:27.49 | Ironi | ofc they were |
| 02:27.51 | VIad | no role dungeon |
| 02:27.51 | Ironi | you want 5mans |
| 02:27.52 | Ironi | not 3 mans |
| 02:28.03 | VIad | like ashran the scenarios nice idea but fail |
| 02:29.26 | VIad | can't wait for witcher 3 |
| 02:29.30 | VIad | I really love rpgs like that |
| 02:29.40 | Ironi | ah well, i guess its time to sleep, first mythic farm tomorrow as a tank o/ |
| 02:29.40 | VIad | btw skyrim had really lame dragon fights when I think about it |
| 02:29.49 | VIad | dragon age inquisition has some really nick dragon fights :D |
| 02:29.59 | Ironi | first time tanking anything 'serious' after soo progress :> |
| 02:30.08 | VIad | tanking is easy |
| 02:30.09 | Semlar | just maul and swipe |
| 02:30.19 | Semlar | you say it's easy but then you're also not doing any difficult content |
| 02:30.20 | VIad | mechanics are usually easy for tanks |
| 02:30.29 | Ironi | VIad everythin in wow is easy |
| 02:30.33 | VIad | nah |
| 02:30.38 | VIad | healing is harder |
| 02:30.38 | Ironi | yes |
| 02:30.43 | Ironi | not really |
| 02:30.48 | VIad | sure is! |
| 02:30.51 | VIad | I got some healers |
| 02:30.53 | Ironi | all you need to do is keep everyone alive |
| 02:30.54 | VIad | I find tanking to be easier :D |
| 02:30.57 | Semlar | dpsing is the hardest |
| 02:31.02 | VIad | dpsing is hard |
| 02:31.10 | VIad | because you usually have to do 10 other mechanics on the side |
| 02:31.14 | VIad | at least on mythic now :P |
| 02:31.18 | VIad | maybe heroic |
| 02:31.22 | Gethe | i'd agree with semlar here, tanking in 5mans is nothing compared to raids |
| 02:31.23 | Ironi | but tbh VIad i doubt you are tanking 100% like you should ;P |
| 02:31.24 | Semlar | well, i do because i'm a hunter |
| 02:31.35 | Semlar | i get to do all the mechanics |
| 02:31.50 | VIad | if you are on EU |
| 02:31.56 | VIad | let me join your raid once and test me :P |
| 02:32.01 | Ironi | thats what hunters are for! :D |
| 02:32.11 | Semlar | >_> |
| 02:32.45 | Ironi | VIad sure, learn finnish and transfer to lightning's blade |
| 02:32.48 | Semlar | i thought hunters were for barraging everything in the instance |
| 02:33.01 | VIad | I left lightnings blade |
| 02:33.07 | Ironi | if you are as good as you say you are, im sure you will pass all the tests and you can join us |
| 02:33.08 | VIad | because alliance died out back in tbc |
| 02:33.16 | VIad | so now I am on auchindoun :D |
| 02:33.35 | VIad | back to my english only policy btw :P |
| 02:33.39 | VIad | finish! |
| 02:33.41 | kullervo | Semlar: don't mm hunters gain more range from mastery? |
| 02:33.48 | Semlar | yes |
| 02:33.55 | kullervo | so they could in theory have 100 yard range on their barrage |
| 02:33.56 | Semlar | i have like 15% more range as MM |
| 02:34.06 | Semlar | 100 yards would be absurd |
| 02:34.16 | kullervo | which would effectively pull half an instance in usual scenarios |
| 02:34.17 | Semlar | you get maybe 45 yards |
| 02:34.23 | VIad | did anyone look at the mythic kill video? |
| 02:34.27 | Ironi | VIad if you whisper in english to anyone in paragon, they will reply in english (if they reply at all) |
| 02:34.29 | VIad | I enjoyed the nerd screams :D |
| 02:34.42 | Ironi | and everyone speaks english in public chats |
| 02:34.43 | VIad | don't think paragon is the guild for me at all |
| 02:34.48 | Ironi | even our irc is english only |
| 02:34.50 | VIad | I am casual :p |
| 02:34.51 | kullervo | Semlar: with full mastery gear, gems etc, perhaps in the next tier |
| 02:35.05 | kullervo | expecting way more than 50 yard range |
| 02:35.11 | VIad | baby steps: first, if a guild then normal is enough for starters |
| 02:35.18 | Semlar | i'm full mastery for BM and when i go into marksmanship i only have 15% from sniper training with my scope proc |
| 02:35.23 | Ironi | did they increase MM mastery a bit? |
| 02:36.29 | Semlar | you would need 25% mastery to even hit 50 yards |
| 02:36.34 | Semlar | which is a lot for MM |
| 02:36.51 | VIad | hmm, no one watches other guilds raiding videos of mythic kills? |
| 02:36.52 | Semlar | it's not one of those specs that gets like double mastery |
| 02:37.07 | VIad | it's interesting to see how it is in mythic compared to the normal modes :p |
| 02:37.25 | kullervo | VIad: I want to see them for myself |
| 02:37.33 | Ironi | having 50yd range is rarely usefull |
| 02:37.43 | kullervo | would only look at videos to find out about some particular mechanic and how it's dealt with |
| 02:37.56 | kullervo | Ironi: this wasn't about being useful, quite the opposite! :D |
| 02:38.01 | Ironi | :D |
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| 02:38.40 | Ironi | kullervo btw, where do you play? |
| 02:38.43 | Ironi | the guild i mean |
| 02:38.54 | Ironi | i remember you saying that a guildie calls you a 'kultzi' |
| 02:39.15 | kullervo | "kultsi", "darling" for those not fluent in finnish |
| 02:39.25 | kullervo | fear the rabbit on defias brotherhood |
| 02:40.10 | Ironi | kk |
| 02:40.22 | VIad | I should sleep sleep, it's 4am! |
| 02:40.59 | kullervo | I should cook, it's almost 5am and I'm hungry! |
| 02:41.10 | kullervo | Work in 7h 20 |
| 02:41.28 | Semlar | pretty sure it's 9pm |
| 02:41.38 | Semlar | and you're all crazy |
| 02:43.19 | VIad | good night guys - talk to you in 8 hours :P |
| 02:44.43 | kullervo | http://mfw.dy.fi/i/2356468.gif |
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| 02:58.36 | Neffi | no Semlar it's 10pm |
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| 03:04.55 | zenzelezz | "I think I'll play a couple of hours of Mass Effect 3"... 13 hours later... |
| 03:09.28 | Thunder_Child | Well, technically you did play a couple of hours. |
| 03:09.42 | Neffi | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 03:09.42 | purl | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays Thunder_Child in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
| 03:10.14 | Thunder_Child | Hey, just because I am an anal retentive literal asshole, doesnt make me wrong. |
| 03:10.35 | Neffi | I never said it did |
| 03:10.38 | Neffi | I just larted you |
| 03:10.46 | Thunder_Child | mutters at Neffi |
| 03:10.59 | Neffi | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 03:10.59 | purl | slaps Thunder_Child upside the head with a wet fish |
| 03:11.02 | Neffi | I can do this all night |
| 03:11.32 | Thunder_Child | Don't let your fingers write checks that your body can't cash. |
| 03:12.10 | Neffi | baby my body can cash anything ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 03:13.47 | Thunder_Child | Anything? |
| 03:14.01 | Neffi | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 03:19.31 | Thunder_Child | I am so glad pictograms are coming back into language, I mean those are super easy to understand, why we never have issues understanding ancient hieroglyphics....... |
| 03:31.16 | Neffi | good point |
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| 06:11.26 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/hUVFlSs.webm |
| 07:27.46 | karl_w_w | I agree with Thunder_Child, pictograms are the best (ï¼¾â¡ï¼¾)ã£ââ°â⯠|
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| 09:03.13 | Thunder_Child | ~lart karl_w_w |
| 09:03.13 | purl | beats karl_w_w to within 2.54cm of his life |
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| 11:39.53 | zenzelezz | SSDs really made loading-screen tips useless (except when they make you push a button to leave the loading screen) |
| 11:41.34 | nevcairiel | they should put something like "Get a SSD to stop seeing these" in there for good measure |
| 11:41.41 | zenzelezz | haha, yeah |
| 11:42.53 | tz_ | you see them when you run 150+ addons |
| 11:43.09 | Constie | I still have time to see them. I often can't read Dark Souls ones in time, though, which is worse. |
| 11:44.38 | zenzelezz | I suppose it does depend on the game |
| 11:46.24 | zenzelezz | Elite Dangerous seems particularly slow to load for me, and I can't quite understand why |
| 11:51.51 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/DlR9JeD |
| 11:57.01 | karl_w_w | what bosses are in the second LFR wing? |
| 11:57.09 | karl_w_w | of BRF |
| 11:59.53 | karl_w_w | Hans'gar & Franzok Flamebender Ka'graz Kromog |
| 12:01.40 | karl_w_w | god knows why the dungeon journal can't put them in order |
| 12:26.07 | Fisker | slow servers zenzelezz |
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| 13:01.48 | jleclanche | This is the fucking awesome future |
| 13:02.02 | jleclanche | I go on a steam page of a game I'm interested in, and it's available on Linux |
| 13:02.06 | jleclanche | fresh release |
| 13:02.24 | jleclanche | this is something like the 5th time in a row its happened |
| 13:02.36 | jleclanche | I guess that's the new norm |
| 13:08.41 | zenzelezz | must be a display issue, it should probably be Mac |
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| 14:44.21 | Neffi | http://youtu.be/nPMi136tURg |
| 14:44.32 | Neffi | Cairenn: I think you'll enjoy that ^ |
| 14:46.14 | karl_w_w | wow Neffi |
| 14:46.21 | karl_w_w | so presumtuous |
| 14:46.27 | karl_w_w | also I cannot spell that word |
| 14:46.33 | Neffi | <_< |
| 14:57.33 | mikma | that's one big purr |
| 15:09.53 | zenzelezz | I'm always amused at how similar the felines are, no matter what size |
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| 15:46.14 | karl_w_w | you bear consequences right? |
| 15:46.17 | karl_w_w | you don't bare them |
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| 15:55.39 | zenzelezz | karl_w_w: AFAIK, correct |
| 15:56.37 | VIad | karl_w_w: why don't we ever play dota together? |
| 15:56.44 | nevcairiel | bear consequences is correct |
| 15:57.30 | nevcairiel | bare just means naked, bear is the verb =p |
| 15:57.35 | nevcairiel | also, the animal |
| 15:58.08 | Fisker | I like my right to bare arms |
| 15:59.20 | nevcairiel | can we sitll ask you to put on a shirt? |
| 16:00.04 | VIad | ok nevcairiel I shall. atm sitting in boxers at the computer. |
| 16:00.17 | Constie | What about your right to arm bears? |
| 16:00.20 | Fisker | neither are mutually exclusive nevcairiel |
| 16:00.45 | nevcairiel | Constie: only in canada |
| 16:07.07 | pompy1 | did DST f shit up? DMF is still up and the npc in my garrison is the same and offerign the same quests as yesterday |
| 16:10.20 | Fisker | DST always f shit up |
| 16:10.33 | Fisker | especially when you're silly like the americans and holds it out of sync |
| 16:11.01 | pompy1 | ~lart Fisker |
| 16:11.01 | purl | hereby declares Fisker a troll |
| 16:11.05 | pompy1 | ohhh |
| 16:13.08 | karl_w_w | because there probably isn't a server we can both get good ping on VIad |
| 16:14.17 | karl_w_w | I think right |
| 16:14.29 | karl_w_w | we should all buy tabletop simulator |
| 16:14.43 | karl_w_w | and play the battlestar galactica boardgame |
| 16:14.48 | karl_w_w | because that shit looks fun |
| 16:15.06 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-jQz15dUVU |
| 16:16.07 | karl_w_w | you've wishlisted it Arrowmaster, you agree with me! |
| 16:20.08 | Arrowmaster | what |
| 16:20.30 | Neffi | Windows users, what IRC client do you use? |
| 16:20.52 | Arrowmaster | hexchat |
| 16:20.55 | Gnarfoz | Quassel |
| 16:21.02 | Neffi | I'm trying to get away from Quassel |
| 16:21.15 | nevcairiel | there is no getting away from quassel |
| 16:21.53 | Arrowmaster | quassel doesnt do dcc |
| 16:22.02 | nevcairiel | dcc is stupid anyway |
| 16:22.18 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: bare is obviously also a verb :D |
| 16:22.28 | Arrowmaster | but its how i do most my pirating and theres no risk of getting isp notices |
| 16:22.36 | Gnarfoz | lol at that |
| 16:22.40 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: as in getting naked? :p |
| 16:22.44 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 16:23.55 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: thats tabletop simulator? |
| 16:24.06 | karl_w_w | you play boardgames on it |
| 16:24.17 | karl_w_w | it simulates a tabletop |
| 16:24.43 | Arrowmaster | yeah when i added it to my wishlist i didnt think they had any actual games in it |
| 16:24.45 | karl_w_w | and you create (or use somebody else's creation) of any boardgame |
| 16:25.07 | karl_w_w | it doesnt enforce rules, it's like you have the actual boardgame and enforce them yourself |
| 16:25.47 | karl_w_w | also hexchat, Neffi |
| 16:26.22 | Neffi | I'm not a fan of hexchat either |
| 16:26.27 | Neffi | gtk on windows is gross |
| 16:27.18 | Arrowmaster | stop using windows |
| 16:27.52 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: is there a list of games people have made for tabletop sim? |
| 16:27.53 | Neffi | but I play games |
| 16:28.10 | karl_w_w | i was just wondering myself Arrowmaster |
| 16:29.11 | karl_w_w | http://steamcommunity.com/app/286160/workshop/ |
| 16:29.13 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 16:29.28 | Arrowmaster | oh workshop support |
| 16:30.33 | Arrowmaster | so do they actually finish the game in this stream? ive seen this game go on for 6+ hours in person |
| 16:32.19 | karl_w_w | in part 2 I think they do |
| 16:32.24 | karl_w_w | so 5.5 hours |
| 16:33.54 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 16:34.08 | Arrowmaster | wonder if it has builtin voip |
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| 17:06.27 | VIad | table top simulator + oculus + ??? = win |
| 17:07.59 | karl_w_w | ooh |
| 17:08.16 | VIad | add some minority report gloves and we are set :D |
| 17:09.41 | nevcairiel | steam vr supposedly already has hand tracking |
| 17:09.47 | nevcairiel | but the tactile feedback is missing still |
| 17:11.20 | VIad | I think it will still be awkward, but in 10 years or 20 |
| 17:11.31 | VIad | maybe then we'll have good VR interaction :D |
| 17:13.08 | VIad | ugh feels so empty inside when an epic rpg ends :( |
| 17:13.18 | VIad | finished dragon age inquisition |
| 17:13.34 | VIad | basically had only repeatable quests left to do :P |
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| 17:27.25 | Gethe | im still catching up on dragon age, on 2 currently |
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| 17:56.59 | karl_w_w | so what direction did clocks just move? |
| 17:58.05 | Semlar | clockwise |
| 18:00.58 | fewyn | spring forward |
| 18:01.00 | fewyn | fall back |
| 18:04.06 | VIad | it's 1904 |
| 18:04.11 | VIad | whats the problem? :p |
| 18:05.52 | Neffi | it's 1904? |
| 18:05.58 | Neffi | what the fuck are we doing on the internet? |
| 18:06.09 | Neffi | Semlar: what's happening? I'm so confused |
| 18:06.41 | Semlar | i think it's spring neffi |
| 18:07.01 | Neffi | no for another few weeks |
| 18:07.28 | VIad | it's 1907 now, the years go by so fast |
| 18:08.10 | Neffi | it's crazy how time do dat |
| 18:08.28 | VIad | year is 1908 now |
| 18:08.37 | VIad | so much happening |
| 18:09.44 | mikma | so 1908, much happening |
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| 18:27.31 | zenzelezz | karl_w_w: daylight saving always adjusts the shortest way towards summer |
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| 18:58.46 | mikma | fisker: https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561197960327485/?cc=de |
| 19:00.48 | Fisker | Yes |
| 19:01.34 | mikma | pappa betalar? :I |
| 19:02.23 | mikma | http://laist.com/2015/03/07/dancing_man_pharrell_moby.php |
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| 19:13.31 | Fisker | nah mikma we have this thing called jobs, by performing said "jobs" we earn danish crowns which can be exchanged for merchandise |
| 19:29.47 | Constie | Fucked up if true. |
| 19:33.14 | Neffi | Fisker: That sounds pretty strange. You Danes are weird. |
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| 20:05.24 | Jamash | I think daylight savings screwed up the darkmoon faire expiry time |
| 20:05.31 | Jamash | it's still going on in north america |
| 20:05.43 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 20:06.31 | Ressy | also screwed up the trader rotation. |
| 20:09.03 | Jamash | I'm not complaining, I spaced on doing my DMF monthly quests |
| 20:19.04 | Fisker | trades Ressy |
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| 20:29.48 | Semlar | Simca: how does wowhead know an item isn't available to players |
| 20:30.09 | Simca | two ways: manual data entry |
| 20:30.46 | Semlar | i'm trying to generate a table of item appearances but i don't want to include a bunch of things that don't actually exist |
| 20:30.51 | Simca | and watching bit 5 of the 'Flags' column in item-sparse.db2, which signals an item is deprecated |
| 20:32.44 | Semlar | hmm |
| 20:34.04 | Simca | there might be a few others, sifting through item flags is a world of fun with pattern recognition but I doubt even the most skilled could recognize some of these patterns |
| 20:34.24 | Simca | so there are several unknowns |
| 20:34.35 | Semlar | i guess i'll just deal with a gigantic table for now |
| 20:34.45 | Semlar | worry about pruning it later |
| 20:35.04 | Semlar | the only thing it hurts is memory usage |
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| 20:35.42 | Constie | What are you doing now, Semlar? |
| 20:36.10 | Semlar | i want an addon to tell me what items i already have in void storage with the same appearance as the item i'm looking at |
| 20:36.46 | Semlar | so i'm making a huge table with all the item appearances in it |
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| 20:43.22 | Constie | Semlar Youre Out Of Line Im Throwing You Off the case Hand in your Gun And badge Youre a Loose Cannon but you get Results Welcome Back to the Force |
| 20:43.49 | Semlar | i am a loose cannon cop on the edge |
| 20:54.44 | karl_w_w | Simca, wowhead distinguishes between deprecated and not available to players |
| 20:57.21 | Simca | karl_w_w: I know it does. |
| 20:57.30 | Simca | "not available to players" is entirely manual data entry |
| 20:59.18 | karl_w_w | so there's not 2 ways :P |
| 21:06.59 | kullervo | is there any way to automatically deal with salvage? D: |
| 21:07.10 | kullervo | or at least something I can set a hardware clicker to handle |
| 21:16.07 | Semlar | is there a limit to how many bonusIDs an item string can contain |
| 21:16.46 | Semlar | put the crate on your action bar and spam it? |
| 21:17.26 | Semlar | anything that doesn't fit in your inventory gets mailed to you |
| 21:18.26 | kullervo | Semlar: there's vendor trash too |
| 21:18.32 | kullervo | and greens I'd like to vendor |
| 21:19.01 | Semlar | yeah, put it all in your mailbox, get on your mammoth and use postmastergeneral to loot your mail |
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| 21:19.13 | kullervo | mammoth doesn't have mail |
| 21:19.22 | Semlar | the mammoth can stand next to the mailbox |
| 21:19.33 | Semlar | once you've opened all of your crates |
| 21:19.34 | kullervo | oh on the receiving end |
| 21:19.45 | kullervo | but I don't have the inventory space |
| 21:19.51 | Semlar | indeed |
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| 21:19.59 | kullervo | do you even realise how much crap 5 stacks of crates spawns? |
| 21:20.03 | Semlar | yes |
| 21:20.14 | Semlar | which is why i do it in one go to put everything in my mailbox |
| 21:20.27 | Semlar | so i can use my mammoth to vendor everything i loot out of it |
| 21:20.31 | kullervo | anyway, item strings have a set amount of slots for bonus stuff and enchants |
| 21:20.48 | Semlar | http://wow.gamepedia.com/ItemString why does this just have an elipses after the bonusIDs |
| 21:20.50 | kullervo | and they can't even all be filled up |
| 21:21.32 | kullervo | I played around with modified links in 6.0.2 |
| 21:22.43 | kullervo | spawned a link of heroic warforged mythic thunderfury blabla of $randomstats |
| 21:23.24 | Semlar | yeah, but can you have an indefinite number of bonusIDs because this page doesn't mention a limit |
| 21:23.33 | kullervo | was coming to that |
| 21:23.34 | Semlar | it just has bonusID1, bonusID2, ... |
| 21:24.08 | kullervo | the server refuses to return a valid link if you attempt to include too many |
| 21:24.39 | kullervo | item strings have zeroes as placeholder, count from there |
| 21:25.16 | Simca | Semlar: the limit is 255 characters, iirc |
| 21:25.35 | Semlar | they don't have any placeholders, my gear just stops at whatever number of bonuses it has |
| 21:25.38 | Simca | there is no limit to the number of bonusIDs except the one imposed by the limit of the number of characters |
| 21:26.11 | Simca | i.e. links start to fail once they exceed the maximum chat message size |
| 21:26.26 | Semlar | alright |
| 21:26.39 | kullervo | pretty sure there are other fail conditions too |
| 21:26.47 | Simca | probably |
| 21:26.55 | Simca | if you included contradictory bonusIDs |
| 21:27.17 | Simca | that would be a good way to crash your game too if they didn't add enough error checking |
| 21:27.32 | Semlar | well i'm only dealing with valid item links here |
| 21:27.38 | Semlar | i just need to know how to parse them |
| 21:27.41 | Simca | yeah you should be fine |
| 21:27.56 | Semlar | i guess i'll be splitting it and using select to loop over all of the ids after a certain point |
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| 21:29.33 | Simca | can skip using select if you do something like local item_results = { (":"):split(item_string) } |
| 21:30.38 | kullervo | Semlar: Nah you can't view erroneous IDs since the server parses them and sends the full link |
| 21:30.47 | Simca | num_bonus_ids will be the 13th entry in that array. |
| 21:31.01 | kullervo | if it's a bad link you'll receive an error respones |
| 21:31.29 | Semlar | oh it actually tells you how many bonuses it has |
| 21:31.34 | Simca | yeah |
| 21:31.37 | Semlar | what happens if that number doesn't match the bonuses |
| 21:31.59 | Simca | presumably the game will ignore them when generating the tooltip |
| 21:32.46 | Simca | and bonusID1, bonusID2, ... will be entries 14+ in such an array |
| 21:38.43 | Cairenn | Neffi: Happy kitty! |
| 21:44.00 | Neffi | wow, that was a while ago |
| 22:02.38 | zenzelezz | she's been watching it on repeat |
| 22:07.18 | Cairenn | No, she just woke up :p |
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