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| 00:01.52 | jleclanche | ~ping |
| 00:01.52 | purl | ~pong |
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| 00:27.32 | fewyn | The fireplace in Tier-2 and Tier-3 Alliance Garrison Town Halls can now be used as a cooking fire. |
| 00:27.35 | fewyn | took them long enough |
| 00:28.19 | fewyn | Cosmetic transformation effects that don't have mount animations and previously prevented a character from mounting (or were canceled upon mounting) are no longer canceled or need to be canceled or prevent mounting. Instead, the transform is temporarily suppressed and the character will regain the transformation once they dismount. |
| 00:28.21 | fewyn | whooooa |
| 00:31.19 | fewyn | Fish caught in Draenor can now be filleted without requiring a set stack number (20 for small, 10 for normal, 5 for enormous fish) while larger fish will still award more resources. |
| 00:31.43 | Constie | Praise the Sun! |
| 00:32.31 | fewyn | Loot eligibility lockouts for Draenor world bosses (Drov the Ruiner, Tarlna the Ageless, and Rukhmar) are now tracked in Raid Info under the Raid tab. |
| 00:32.35 | fewyn | HOLEY MOLEY |
| 00:32.51 | fewyn | is it xmas in draenor? |
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| 00:43.05 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: kickass torrents / eztv |
| 00:43.16 | jleclanche | whatever do you need tpb for? |
| 00:43.35 | nebula169 | didn't get kickass get taken down, too? |
| 00:43.45 | jleclanche | the domain, not the site |
| 00:43.50 | nebula169 | ah |
| 00:49.50 | fewyn | they moved back to .to |
| 01:00.54 | Ressy | Anyone else having issues downloading the PTR patch? |
| 01:01.05 | Simca | nevcairiel was |
| 01:01.18 | tz | just checked mine, it's already downloaded |
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| 05:41.08 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:48.59 | Neffi | 'sciencealert.com' the most reputable resource on the internet |
| 05:50.21 | Neffi | shrugs |
| 05:50.39 | Neffi | this strikes me as impractical. how fast can you really write or read an optical disc |
| 05:57.56 | Semlar | the speed of light, neffi |
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| 05:58.05 | Neffi | no semlar |
| 05:58.06 | Torhal | does a setmetatable(Neffi, BluRayDrive) |
| 05:58.25 | Neffi | you spin me right round, baby, right round |
| 05:58.29 | Neffi | like a bluray player |
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| 06:25.54 | Iriel | Cairenn: https://www.flickr.com/photos/partialobscurity/16523714742/ |
| 06:26.20 | Trela | Stupid advertisements. |
| 06:26.39 | Trela | "Why the fuck is Iriel showing us an advertisment for the Flickr iPad Application? WTF IRIEL." |
| 06:26.55 | Iriel | Thanks yahoo |
| 06:27.21 | Cairenn | awwwww! |
| 06:27.55 | Iriel | Cats are unimpressed |
| 06:29.06 | Cairenn | Heh, I bet |
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| 08:12.18 | pompy | http://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-in-canada-foil-valentines-day-mall-shooting-plot/ :o |
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| 09:41.46 | Semlar | let me get this straight, they were arrested for something they said in an online chat room? |
| 09:43.05 | karl_w_w | it certainly seemed they were actually planning it |
| 09:44.20 | Semlar | i'm not saying they weren't, but they were apprehended before they actually.. did anything |
| 09:45.17 | karl_w_w | there are a lot of crimes called "conspiracy to..." |
| 09:45.31 | Simca | well the guy killed himself |
| 09:45.45 | Semlar | in response to being surrounded by police |
| 09:45.46 | Simca | and the gal admitted to it |
| 09:46.22 | Semlar | yeah that seemed like a bad move on her part |
| 09:46.27 | Simca | killing yourself isn't a reasonable response to being arrested |
| 09:46.41 | Simca | so i think the police are off the hook on that one even if it was false |
| 09:47.25 | Semlar | i'm more interested in how this investigation went down |
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| 09:51.25 | Semlar | were they monitoring the communications or did someone contact the police |
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| 10:49.05 | nevcairiel | More likely someone contacted them |
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| 11:31.05 | zenzelezz | I don't know, law enforcement is pretty talented with electronic interception... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ |
| 11:34.48 | nevcairiel | If they know where to listen/look maybe, but without a specific hint to look somewhere in particular... :p |
| 11:36.23 | zenzelezz | realistically yes; I just get so amused by that video still |
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| 12:03.12 | Neffi | Semlar: http://i.imgur.com/rsjXxNd.jpg |
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| 15:52.07 | IsoLinCHiP | Hi, anybody by chance know how Skillet goes about displaying the ranges in which you gain skillpoints from crafting? It worked for me about 2 hours ago and then I messed around with some macros and addons and it suddenly doesnt show the information anymore. |
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| 17:45.44 | Torhal | IsoLinCHiP: That, to me, would indicate that Skillet isn't the problem. Unless, of course, you messed with its code. |
| 17:45.58 | Fisker | I'll mess with you |
| 17:46.01 | Fisker | <3 |
| 17:46.14 | Torhal | eBays Fisker in .ro |
| 17:46.22 | Fisker | Why? |
| 17:46.31 | Torhal | So you can mess with znf. |
| 17:46.40 | Fisker | I don't want to |
| 17:56.00 | Semlar | <3 neffi |
| 17:57.15 | IsoLinCHiP | Torhal: Well sorting out some old addons (which I might have accidentally activated) and installing tradeskillinfo seems to have fixed the original problem with skillet. I think I updated skillet to the current version and a comment seems to indicate that it prefers using tradeskillinfo now. |
| 17:57.35 | Torhal | o.O |
| 17:57.55 | Torhal | No idea why that would be a requirement, but then again I don't use Skillet anymore... |
| 17:58.32 | IsoLinCHiP | Well technically its an optional dependancy |
| 17:59.04 | Semlar | if it's an optional dependency then some of its features depend on it |
| 18:00.10 | Semlar | if it has other dependencies they'll be listed in its toc file |
| 18:00.36 | IsoLinCHiP | Possibly related to this http://www.wowace.com/addons/skillet/tickets/331-skill-level-data-bad-arg-to-pairs/ |
| 18:01.17 | IsoLinCHiP | Oh, nvm... the changes in 2.76 state it |
| 18:01.30 | IsoLinCHiP | Use TradeskillInfo for skill difficulty data if available (LibPeriodicTable is not up to date) |
| 18:03.33 | Torhal | Seems weird that Skillet would make its users depend on TSI for that type of information. |
| 18:03.45 | Torhal | Makes me glad I stopped using it ~five years ago. |
| 18:03.54 | Fisker | :( Torhal |
| 18:04.12 | Fisker | Looks like something is rotten in the state of copenhagen |
| 18:04.19 | Torhal | OH NOES |
| 18:04.20 | Fisker | or Denmark I guess is the correct one |
| 18:04.22 | IsoLinCHiP | Ok, but it still buggs me, that I spent so much time trying to figure that out. |
| 18:04.25 | Fisker | but still |
| 18:04.40 | Fisker | It's all terror this and terror that now |
| 18:06.11 | Semlar | terrorizes fisker |
| 18:07.25 | Torhal | terriers Semlar. |
| 18:07.34 | Semlar | not the dogs! |
| 18:07.44 | Simca_ | it's amazing that tradeskillinfo or skillet work at all |
| 18:08.54 | karl_w_w | this is interesting http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/diet-and-fitness/top-10-mainstream-diet-myths-debunked-20150213-13e1bo.html |
| 18:09.17 | karl_w_w | I especially like the low fat dairy one |
| 18:11.21 | Fisker | http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/14/europe/denmark-shooting/index.html |
| 18:11.22 | IsoLinCHiP | Lua is so freakin' confusing... I am staring at the code and for all I can tell Skillet:GetTradeSkillLevels(skillId) should be the function that returns the information. But it definately shows different output (the one returned by LibPT) and the gui show the correct info (from TSI) |
| 18:12.00 | Semlar | psh, lua is not confusing |
| 18:12.59 | IsoLinCHiP | Hmmm.. Ok, unless I am getting instance and class methods mixed up, that might be the reason |
| 18:15.03 | Torhal | No such thing as instance/class unless you're using metatable code that's implementing classes. |
| 18:15.19 | Torhal | Though there's a difference between object.method() and object:method() |
| 18:15.36 | Torhal | Second version passes the object itself as a hidden "self" parameter. |
| 18:16.21 | IsoLinCHiP | thats what I was (possibly incorrectly) calling instance vs class methods |
| 18:18.36 | IsoLinCHiP | On a sidenote is there a less painfull way to introspect the running addons than using "WowLua" and "Lua Browser"? |
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| 18:21.44 | IsoLinCHiP | Having to jump through hoops like the following is rather tedious, hoping there is a better way, than this: SlashCmdList["LuaBrowser"]('code TradeskillInfo:GetCombineDifficulty('.. skillId .. ')') |
| 18:22.39 | Semlar | well there's a /run command |
| 18:22.50 | Semlar | and a /dump command |
| 18:24.08 | IsoLinCHiP | Well, yes, but I wouldnt considder them any more comfortable ;) |
| 18:24.58 | Semlar | i have no idea what that luabrowser slash command does |
| 18:25.38 | IsoLinCHiP | Well luabrowser is an addon that gives you a frame you can interactively browse lua tables in. That part is really usefull |
| 18:26.40 | IsoLinCHiP | But I couldnt find an interface I could run it directly from lua snippets that I type up in WoWLua other than calling the SlashCmd handler function |
| 18:28.09 | Semlar | if it's in SlashCmdList there's a slash command for it |
| 18:28.22 | IsoLinCHiP | Thats correct. |
| 18:28.32 | Semlar | you don't need to call that directly |
| 18:29.09 | Semlar | unless i guess what you're calling it in is using loadstring or something |
| 18:29.29 | IsoLinCHiP | Well I do if I run some code which creates local variables in a snippet |
| 18:30.14 | IsoLinCHiP | WowLua most likely uses loadstring, yes |
| 18:32.13 | IsoLinCHiP | Jupp, as suspected it uses loadstring |
| 18:35.49 | IsoLinCHiP | Btw, Torhal, purely out of curiosity, have you given up using custom crafting addons, or are you using a different one, since you said earlier you used to use skillet? |
| 18:37.10 | Torhal | IsoLinCHiP: I used GnomeWorks for a bit until it was abandoned. Toyed with TradeSkillMaster, but yeah - I just don't use one. Then again, I'm spending most of my time writing AddOns. |
| 18:37.38 | IsoLinCHiP | Hehe :) |
| 18:40.14 | IsoLinCHiP | Whats your debugging process if you dont mind me asking? I do a fair amount of coding, but wow addons certainly challenge my established debug routines. |
| 18:41.34 | Semlar | he just writes it perfectly every time |
| 18:41.39 | Torhal | Print everything. |
| 18:42.09 | IsoLinCHiP | lol... Well I am a mere mortal, who hasnt acchieved that level yet ;-P |
| 18:42.10 | Torhal | Though I have started using LibTextDump with a debug function that outputs to that, so I'm not spamming the chatframe, and I can show/hide the debug data at will. |
| 18:42.53 | Torhal | You'll find examples in Ackis Recipe List, NPCScan, the latest alphas of Archy...I forget what else. |
| 18:42.56 | Torhal | It's handy. |
| 18:43.22 | IsoLinCHiP | But basically theres no way around reloading the interface on each change, and in case of new files completely cycling the client, right? |
| 18:43.28 | Torhal | Right. |
| 18:43.34 | Semlar | someone sent me an in-game mail but i can't see it because i have like 500 backlogged postmaster messages i've been avoiding |
| 18:43.51 | Torhal | You're kinda, sorta, horrible, Semlar. |
| 18:43.53 | IsoLinCHiP | Meh. I was hoping there was some magic plug I was missing :( |
| 18:43.53 | Torhal | Just sayin'. |
| 18:44.01 | Semlar | maybe it's not important |
| 18:44.20 | IsoLinCHiP | lol |
| 18:44.21 | Torhal | You should just write an AddOn to return everything to sender. |
| 18:44.41 | Semlar | i suppose i should loot these |
| 18:45.42 | IsoLinCHiP | Especially visualising/inspecting large tables is a major slowdown for me, any hints for that maybe? |
| 18:48.08 | foxlit | "don't" |
| 18:48.10 | Torhal | IsoLinCHiP: You can try https://github.com/TekNoLogic/Spew |
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| 18:48.55 | Semlar | yeah this isn't something i often have to do |
| 18:49.17 | Torhal | Or expose the table to the global namespace and then /dump tablename |
| 18:49.40 | Torhal | Unless you're talking about your own tables |
| 18:49.44 | Torhal | In that case, no idea what to tell you |
| 18:49.44 | Semlar | normally i'd just look at how the table is being created |
| 18:51.36 | IsoLinCHiP | Looking into spew. I did mean Tables from other addons, specifically data gathering addons. For my own tables I should usally know what I am looking for. |
| 18:51.55 | Semlar | what about just looking at their saved variables file |
| 18:52.02 | Semlar | if it's persistent data |
| 18:52.03 | karl_w_w | so I don't want any spoiler's obviously, but I'm watching homeland season 1, and saul's girlfriend's voice makes ME want to clear my own throat |
| 18:52.36 | foxlit | lua serialization is a little stabby. |
| 18:52.55 | foxlit | in the same sense as I need to find me a "go to opening parent tag" thing for XML. |
| 18:52.56 | kd3 | a little? |
| 18:53.43 | IsoLinCHiP | hehe, yeah sometimes the savedvariables can help. |
| 19:03.18 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.46 | Ressy | geez |
| 19:07.21 | Semlar | it's a good thing this salvage stacks |
| 19:17.44 | karl_w_w | it didn't at the start |
| 19:17.48 | karl_w_w | painful times |
| 19:25.28 | zenzelezz | kids these days. When I was a lowbie we had to do our own salvaging |
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| 20:26.35 | zenzelezz | so I start playing some World of Tanks with a friend, and in the middle of a battle his tank just stops moving, and then Skype starts trying to reconnect to him. 10 minutes later I get an SMS, "my pc died" |
| 20:32.42 | karl_w_w | epic tale zenzelezz |
| 20:33.08 | karl_w_w | a single tear rolled down my cheek from the sheer beauty of it |
| 20:40.02 | zenzelezz | you must be easily entertained then |
| 20:40.23 | zenzelezz | then again, down there you take all the non-lethal entertainment you can :D |
| 20:44.38 | karl_w_w | dank meme |
| 21:02.41 | karl_w_w | VIad, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrF425WRCfg |
| 21:02.57 | Kowh | I can see that. Just putting on shoes is a life or death struggle I hear. |
| 21:04.25 | Kowh | Having to tap your shoes upside down to make sure there's no lethal insects inside seems like a hint to me that man was not meant to live there. |
| 21:04.37 | VIad | lol karl |
| 21:05.07 | karl_w_w | that's not a think Kowh |
| 21:06.03 | karl_w_w | although if you keep them on the floor you might want to tap them to make sure there's no black portuguese millipedes in them |
| 21:12.05 | Kowh | "Crushed millipedes may have caused a 2013 minor train crash in Clarkson, Western Australia" <-- They seek larger prey I guess |
| 21:12.57 | Kowh | Not in the cities I know, but isn't there some spider that likes to hide in shoes or something? |
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| 21:16.17 | Kowh | ipv6 in the wild? Fascinating. Like spotting some rare bird. |
| 21:16.47 | Thunder_Child | Not as much as you think. |
| 21:17.32 | Kowh | Yeah, I work at a place that did a big push for ipv6 day. Still don't bother using it at home. :D |
| 21:18.12 | Thunder_Child | For some reason windows also masks ipv6 with ipv4 in a lot of situations. |
| 21:18.58 | Kowh | Weren't some early ipv6 tunnels horribly broken on windows? |
| 21:20.02 | Thunder_Child | Didn't hear that but it would not surprise me. |
| 21:20.49 | Kowh | ipv6 is the obvious path, and we have to get there sometime, but was a huge internal project to get full ipv6 support into registries and yet AAAA lookups are something under 2%. |
| 21:22.04 | JTF195 | teredo tunnels were a big pain in the ass apparently. 6in4 tunnels work much better |
| 21:22.15 | Kowh | IIRC the tunnels would say they were up when they weren't |
| 21:22.27 | Kowh | So every single time a lookup would have to timeout first |
| 21:22.35 | Kowh | Causing all sorts of delays |
| 21:23.14 | Kowh | So various programs added workarounds to basically force ipv4, so now we need workarounds for the workarounds. :D |
| 21:23.39 | Kowh | As each workaround had it's own finicky way of detecting that you really actually do want ipv6 |
| 21:25.58 | JTF195 | i semi-recently set up a 6in4 tunnel through hurricane electric |
| 21:27.21 | JTF195 | and i have a new router with support for several different IPv6 configurations, so I was able to set the tunnel up directly on the router, and it's almost like having a native IPv6 connection |
| 21:28.09 | Kowh | My isp had v6 opt-in beta, not sure if it's still open. I could have had native v6. |
| 21:28.42 | Kowh | But I didn't particularly feel the need to expand my attack surface to include lots of barely tested v6 implementations. :D |
| 21:31.03 | JTF195 | With so few people actually using IPv6, how much would it even contribute to your attack surface at this point? |
| 21:31.17 | karl_w_w | no dangerous ones that i know of, Kowh. i guess thefunnelweb might do it, but we don't have them in WA |
| 21:31.31 | Kowh | karl: Ah |
| 21:31.43 | Kowh | JTF195: It's more of a theoretical risk, yeah. |
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| 21:32.17 | Kowh | But apparently even cisco routers had ipv6 vulnerabilities |
| 21:34.16 | karl_w_w | and yeah, we have a big problem with people addicted to snorting crushed millipedes, even train drivers do it |
| 21:35.01 | JTF195 | i didn't do thorough penetration testing by any means, but i know my router's ipv6 firewall is definitely working, because i spent several hours trying to figure out why my website wasn't reachable from the public net, until i realized i had forgotten to open the port |
| 21:35.33 | Kowh | Firewalls are probably fine, for the most part. It's more the v6 stacks of any apps. |
| 21:35.52 | JTF195 | yeah |
| 21:37.11 | karl_w_w | it doesn't help that we don't have NAT to hide behind |
| 21:38.25 | Kowh | v6 NAT is a thing (much to the disgust of some), but yeah, NAT's almost obligatory for v4. |
| 21:39.05 | JTF195 | i thought one of the biggest selling points of IPv6 was globally routed addresses (no NAT) |
| 21:39.14 | Kowh | Yup |
| 21:43.10 | Kowh | Forgot the excuses, but looks like enabling multihoming on a small scale is one reason. |
| 21:43.42 | JTF195 | i mean, with Privacy Extensions for SLAAC (RFC4941) i don't really see why NAT would be necessary for endpoint obfuscation |
| 21:44.24 | Kowh | Yeah, from what I recall there was no real excuse in theory, but there was in practice. I just don't recall the details. |
| 21:44.53 | Kowh | Broken/lacking support for things like that, no doubt. |
| 21:45.18 | JTF195 | http://networkingnerd.net/2011/12/01/whats-the-point-of-nat66/ |
| 21:47.22 | JTF195 | yeah, there's pretty much only a few tiny cases where NAT66 is even useful |
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