| 00:03.26 | Simca | well foxlit |
| 00:03.33 | Simca | I solved our problem, I think, lol. |
| 00:04.28 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/fDP3J8C.png |
| 00:04.45 | Simca | wowdb, wowhead, and Master Plan say there are 4 mechanics |
| 00:04.49 | Simca | the game says there are 2. |
| 00:07.29 | Simca | foxlit: is it possible that these missions were hotfixed in GarrMission.adb? |
| 00:07.46 | Simca | Master Plan actually seems to be doing it right |
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| 00:26.10 | Jamash | Apparently Facebook can't geolocate IPv6 worth crap |
| 00:26.24 | Jamash | it thinks my tablet is in new jersey |
| 00:26.27 | Jamash | I'm in Indiana |
| 00:27.49 | Arrowmaster | are you on cellular? |
| 00:28.27 | Jamash | Nope! Wifi-only Android tablet |
| 00:28.44 | Jamash | I guess their ipv6 maps are just bad |
| 00:29.07 | Primer | Do you think he'd have ipv6 on celular? |
| 00:29.44 | Jamash | Probably, yeah, mobile IP is one of the motivations for transitioning |
| 00:30.27 | Jamash | Theoretically, anyway. I don't have any idea how much deployment there's been. |
| 00:30.31 | Primer | I thought it was "OMG WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF IPV4!" |
| 00:30.51 | Arrowmaster | at one point one of the newer cellular techs was supposed to be ipv6 only |
| 00:31.11 | Primer | yeah, good luck with that |
| 00:31.17 | Jamash | Yeah we were and then everyone stopped caring because enough of the 'net is on 6 |
| 00:32.43 | Jamash | also they reclaimed a bunch of unused space |
| 00:36.26 | Brainling | just kicked the can down the road |
| 00:36.30 | Jamash | according to Google, the US is ahead of everyone except...Belgium in terms of ipv6 adoption |
| 00:36.57 | Jamash | probably because of our monopoly/duopoly internet situation, ironically |
| 00:37.12 | Brainling | we'll still run out of ip4's in our lifetime. The rate of ipv6 uptick still doesn't even come close to the rate we're lapping up ipv4 addresses |
| 00:37.16 | Jamash | when comcast decided to enable ipv6 that put millions of people on top |
| 00:37.29 | Jamash | *millions of people on at once |
| 00:37.59 | Jamash | I don't think there are enough ipv4 addresses unallocated for the rate to be at all high |
| 00:38.30 | Brainling | right, but the allocated blocks currently are being used as allocation buckets |
| 00:38.33 | Brainling | those buckets will start running out |
| 00:38.58 | Brainling | so yeah, place X has 1000 IP's "allocated", but only say 200 in use now, they have 800 to "allocate"...at some point that dries up |
| 00:41.11 | Jamash | basically as it stands any substantial new allocation of addresses has to be v6 only |
| 00:41.49 | foxlit | Simca: ptr screenshot? |
| 00:42.01 | Simca | foxlit: Live |
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| 00:43.48 | Jamash | Although Africa still has 46 million unallocated because of stuff |
| 00:44.14 | Brainling | Jamash, pretty much, yeah. A lot of places (data centers et al) have tons of addresses, but no one at this point could allocate millions in the first world with allocating a 6 block |
| 00:44.36 | Jamash | Africa's predicted to run out in 2019 |
| 00:45.35 | foxlit | odd; I thought they were being chanted in 6.1. |
| 00:51.32 | Primer | Anyone else's youtube performance in the shitter lately? |
| 00:51.43 | Primer | I mean, I'm seeing requests time out like crazy |
| 00:52.12 | Neffi | I was seeing oddly bad performance recently, yes |
| 00:52.19 | Neffi | like 720p videos not even buffering in realtime |
| 00:53.41 | foxlit | "The bonus experience missions with 4 enemy threats have had their number of threats reduced." << was in a wowhead preview. |
| 00:54.59 | foxlit | but that's probably just a reflection of the missionxencounters on the ptr; the relevant adb looks empty to me. |
| 01:00.27 | Stanzilla | Primer: just blame html5! |
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| 01:02.15 | Primer | Stanzilla: I'd rather blame flash |
| 01:02.59 | Mini_Dragon | Please blame flash |
| 01:27.24 | Simca | foxlit: one of the other problem children on live I think: http://i.imgur.com/2ScMdNb.jpg |
| 01:29.50 | foxlit | so do you have a non-empty garrmissionxencounter.adb? |
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| 01:38.03 | Simca | nope mine is empty |
| 01:43.20 | Simca | personal vs group loot is becoming a big issue in my raids. I should write a program to simulate weeks of group loot vs personal loot raiding |
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| 01:45.39 | Dagmar | We changed to group loot pretty quick |
| 01:46.00 | Dagmar | Mainly because it seems like the bosses had maybe 2-3 pieces for most of us |
| 01:46.38 | Dagmar | ...and you only have to see the same boots drop for you _twice_ before you're like "Okay, screw this if I can't toss them at the other guys" |
| 01:46.58 | Dagmar | Three weeks in a row I got the same boots off Kargath |
| 01:47.21 | Dagmar | Meanwhile, the other hunter is wearing crafted shoes |
| 01:53.39 | Semlar | crafted boots are better anyway |
| 01:54.02 | kd3 | if anyone on the ptr is bored and isn't locked to icecrown, could you kill lich king in 25-normal? trying to figure out if music roll: invincible only drops from 25h |
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| 01:58.02 | Simca | kd3: would a small tool to parse your cache for new objects be useful? |
| 01:58.18 | Simca | that way if you went past a new object containing a music roll that was well hidden, you could find it |
| 01:58.34 | kd3 | that would be awesome |
| 01:59.08 | Simca | kk; going to do that after raid tonight. i'm horrible at spotting things like that but very interested in finding them |
| 01:59.23 | Simca | I found the timeless isle chests on PTR using a hex editor and way too much time |
| 02:06.59 | Simca | login -> screenshot world map -> logout without moving -> check object cache with hex editor for object ID of chest -> draw circle on screenshot of world map -> delete cache -> login -> move to new location -> logout -> start at beginning of process |
| 02:07.48 | kd3 | eesh |
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| 02:33.16 | Guest60243 | Simca, why not just read all objects around you from memory? a lot simpler and faster |
| 02:34.52 | Simca | not simpler to program - I don't know any of the relevant offsets |
| 02:35.32 | Guest60243 | takes like 5 min or less to find them |
| 02:35.52 | Simca | if you have the relevant knowledge, sure |
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| 02:43.18 | Neffi | <Guest60243> Simca, why not just read all objects around you from memory? a lot simpler and faster <- you mean reading WoW.exe's memory? |
| 02:43.34 | Simca | that is what he means |
| 02:43.40 | Neffi | that would not be allowed |
| 02:44.34 | Simca | yeah, would have to do it on PTR, and there are uses for object searching on Live |
| 02:47.59 | Guest60243 | Neffi, who cares, blizz will never know anyway |
| 02:50.09 | Seerah | Guest60243: we care |
| 02:55.41 | Neffi | Guest60243: This channel is owned by a Blizzard-sanctioned entity. We don't allow discussion that violates the terms in here. |
| 02:55.57 | Neffi | Moreover, I'll laugh if Warden catches you and bans you |
| 02:57.22 | Torhal | uses Python to pickle Neffi. |
| 02:57.51 | foxlit | clearly a just punishment for those vile, vile criminals trying to find object IDs. |
| 02:58.42 | foxlit | they might do things to those IDs, you know. Things like building a database site or something. |
| 02:58.52 | Neffi | That's precisely what I'm afraid of. |
| 02:59.01 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.03 | Simca | #protecttheobjects |
| 02:59.13 | Guest60243 | Neffi, nothing can detect memory reading from user mode, you need at least some kernel driver to do that, blizz has no such thing |
| 02:59.16 | Neffi | sends Torhal to the Red Queen. |
| 02:59.17 | Dagmar | SErIALIZE THE U>NBELIEVERS |
| 03:01.13 | Neffi | thanks foxlit, now White Rabbit is stuck in my head |
| 03:02.42 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.34 | Neffi | o.O |
| 03:03.48 | Torhal | I knew it! Neffi is secretly Grace Slick! |
| 03:04.02 | Neffi | no, I'm secretly Lewis Carrol |
| 03:04.13 | Neffi | don't tell anyone |
| 03:04.38 | Torhal | You're C. S. Lewis? |
| 03:04.40 | Torhal | Whoah. |
| 03:04.45 | foxlit | reminds me to catch up on dresden codak |
| 03:06.06 | Neffi | that was very nice |
| 03:08.10 | foxlit | apparently I have two+ years worth, which is like 20 pages. |
| 03:09.01 | Neffi | has never heard of this thing. |
| 03:09.35 | foxlit | http://dresdencodak.com/2010/06/03/dark-science-01/ |
| 03:20.52 | Fisker | Hey foxlit |
| 03:21.43 | Fisker | looks at Torhal suspiciously |
| 03:23.15 | kd3 | gah. so many boss chests don't want to be lootable |
| 03:24.45 | Simca | new 6.1 issue? |
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| 03:24.53 | kd3 | looks to be |
| 03:25.06 | kd3 | I've got 3 bug posts filed in the ptr bug forum |
| 03:26.39 | Simca | wonder if it is really to this: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15699678064 |
| 03:28.43 | Simca | related* |
| 03:32.48 | Torhal | Don't look at me in that tone of voice, Fisker. |
| 03:43.13 | jleclanche | kd3: grrrrrrr bluetooth |
| 03:43.14 | jleclanche | grrrrrrr |
| 03:43.26 | jleclanche | still with the damn sound buffering issues |
| 03:43.35 | jleclanche | kernel? hardware? pulseaudio? who the fuck knows |
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| 03:53.36 | Dagmar | Something's been a little knackered with looting lately, that's for sure |
| 03:54.27 | Dagmar | I had one of those box piles in my garrison never open up two nights ago and I was standing *on* the thing so at least I know it wasn't the range issue |
| 03:55.21 | Dagmar | Everything wound up going straight to the mailbox |
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| 04:00.06 | Simca | resource cap |
| 04:00.13 | Simca | ? |
| 04:03.29 | Dagmar | On armor scraps? |
| 04:03.33 | Dagmar | I don't think so. |
| 04:03.33 | kd3 | damn it, the elementium fragment's not lootable either |
| 04:03.37 | kd3 | just wasting my time tonight |
| 04:04.06 | Simca | nefarian is lootable iirc |
| 04:04.10 | kd3 | oh, right, after the cutscene |
| 04:04.17 | kd3 | yah, tried nef. he didn't drop anything tonight |
| 04:04.30 | kd3 | well, didn't drop a roll |
| 04:04.33 | kd3 | he dropped his normal loot |
| 04:05.08 | kd3 | anything with coords on the Garrison Jukebox article I've actively looted or seen on a vendor |
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| 05:19.26 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.30 | Neffi | that's brilliant |
| 05:24.52 | karl_w_w | I don't see it Neffi |
| 05:25.12 | Neffi | left side |
| 05:26.52 | Neffi | karl_w_w: http://i.imgur.com/7mrpzoe.png |
| 05:26.53 | karl_w_w | are you sure it's not just your screen? :P |
| 05:27.02 | Neffi | positive |
| 05:27.02 | karl_w_w | uh |
| 05:27.32 | karl_w_w | you seem to have a different version of that subreddit to me |
| 05:27.48 | kd3 | karl, do you have subreddit styles turned off? it's doing the same thing to me |
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| 05:28.01 | Neffi | yeah, maybe that's the problem |
| 05:28.07 | karl_w_w | no, it's actually a different sub |
| 05:28.22 | Neffi | did you spell it wrong? |
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| 05:28.34 | karl_w_w | I don't think so |
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| 05:28.47 | kd3 | http://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating |
| 05:29.09 | karl_w_w | ah, no you spelt it wrong Neffi :P |
| 05:30.03 | Neffi | I don't see a different |
| 05:30.13 | Neffi | s/t/ce |
| 05:30.24 | kd3 | mildy vs mildly |
| 05:30.34 | Neffi | ah |
| 05:32.03 | karl_w_w | it took me ages to notice it lol |
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| 05:53.55 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/hO8J1dJ.jpg |
| 05:56.14 | Neffi | was that written by a 7 year old? |
| 05:59.47 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: https://pay.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2u1prn/trumps_biggest_misplay/ spoiler if you didnt watch trump's matches today |
| 05:59.58 | jleclanche | insane game |
| 06:02.07 | Simca | weird |
| 06:03.05 | Simca | Creature.wdb stores string lengths as integers and then the strings are read as that number of bytes. |
| 06:03.20 | jleclanche | yes? |
| 06:03.21 | Simca | GameObject.wdb just uses null-terminated cstrings |
| 06:03.39 | Simca | why have two different string storage methods for the same file type |
| 06:03.40 | Simca | lol |
| 06:03.48 | jleclanche | huh? |
| 06:03.55 | jleclanche | all wdbs use null-terminated cstrings |
| 06:04.18 | jleclanche | are you looking at the record length? |
| 06:04.44 | Simca | Creature.wdb may use null-terminated cstrings, but it also records every strings' length |
| 06:05.00 | jleclanche | yeah its some optimization bullshit |
| 06:05.08 | Simca | weird |
| 06:05.13 | jleclanche | they're null terminated strings |
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| 06:07.01 | Dagmar | Probably because programmers can't learn to use a fucking pocket calculator |
| 06:09.16 | Dagmar | "If we have eight string pointers, and twelve doubles, and two char arrays of 100 characters in length... we need a buffer of ... ah fuck it. 200 bytes will be enough." |
| 06:22.54 | Simca | i'm generally lazy enough i use functions to count the length and let the compiler do the math |
| 06:28.40 | karl_w_w | how is it a spoiler jleclanche? :P |
| 06:28.51 | jleclanche | well its the end of an awesome game |
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| 07:22.35 | karl_w_w | VIad, |
| 07:22.44 | karl_w_w | you know mini-TI started today? |
| 07:24.31 | karl_w_w | and god damn my internet right now, can't even maintain a twitch stream set to mobile |
| 07:35.17 | jleclanche | anyone around has any contact with James Portnow? |
| 07:41.39 | jleclanche | nvm |
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| 08:03.29 | Simca | jesus. bitdefender is detecting the application I wrote to parse a freaking cache file as a virus and continually preventing it from running, quarantining it, preventing move access, and all sorts of other great stuff. even with its virus handling completely disabled and all automatic functions set to manual, it still prevents the app from running without asking me |
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| 08:07.11 | Mr_Rabies | maybe stop writing viruses |
| 08:07.20 | Mr_Rabies | :v |
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| 08:10.06 | pompy1 | Simca: turn off the heuristics setting maybe? |
| 08:11.51 | Fisker | That's why you don't ever use anti-virus |
| 08:11.52 | Fisker | :P |
| 08:12.31 | Simca | tried pompy1 |
| 08:12.39 | Simca | and yeah i'm thinking that is going to be the solution, Fisker |
| 08:12.42 | Simca | I can't stop it |
| 08:14.45 | Fisker | :( |
| 08:16.58 | Fisker | I was thinking how much follower upgrades are just wasted space |
| 08:17.08 | Fisker | Followers should upgrade gear on their own |
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| 09:17.08 | tenterflex | hey guys |
| 09:17.18 | tenterflex | looking to make a macro that swaps between two one handers (Different names) and two different one handers (different names) |
| 09:17.24 | tenterflex | i know you can do stuff like "/equipslot [equipped:shield]" - can you have [equipped:Item Name Here]? |
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| 09:33.29 | Mr_Rabies | Kemayo: jfyi everytime i see your real name on the changelog for silverdragon i do a double take |
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| 10:40.13 | Gnarfoz | anyone knowledgeable about SAP Business Objects Web Intelligence? : |
| 11:02.20 | karl_w_w | http://torrentfreak.com/amazon-bans-bittorrent-app-frostwire-over-piracy-concerns-150128/ |
| 11:02.33 | karl_w_w | that arbitrary decision |
| 11:04.29 | Fisker | I hope they ban this website called amazon.com |
| 11:04.41 | Fisker | You can use it to buy stuff which can be used for piracy |
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| 11:58.22 | Industrial | Fisker: They should ban books aswell, and the skill to read. Books MAY contain information required to be able to pirate .. books. |
| 11:58.47 | Fisker | Hot damn, you're right! |
| 12:07.06 | karl_w_w | I'm amazed they allow themselves to sell kindle fires |
| 12:09.30 | Mr_Rabies | for some reason i suddenly got reminded of how much the new gundam show promotes the idea of standard designs and interconnectivity with technology |
| 12:12.04 | Mr_Rabies | in the show, the people who live in near-earth space try to block technological advancement on earth in the name of preventing wars, and a mobile suit design leaks to the earthnoids |
| 12:12.52 | Mr_Rabies | all the various nations are at odds with each other, but since it's such a huge tech upgrade they mostly stick to the designs and thus have universal standards for all their stuff :v |
| 12:14.56 | Mr_Rabies | eventually they decide to oppose the spacenoids for trying to control the cultures of earth and their universal standards come in handy as they intentionally and accidentally end up sharing attachments, etc for the mobile suits |
| 12:15.32 | karl_w_w | fucking socialists |
| 12:15.38 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 12:15.56 | karl_w_w | none of that tech could have been created without the spacenoid regime! |
| 12:15.58 | Mr_Rabies | in typical human fashion, they're basically gonna fight each other sometime before or after they're done fighting the spacenoids so |
| 12:16.42 | Mr_Rabies | it's a great show, but i can imagine anyone not familiar with the director's work is gonna have a hard time |
| 12:16.56 | Mr_Rabies | he tends to pack a LOT into his shows and has some quirks to his directoral style |
| 12:17.13 | Mr_Rabies | lots of stuff going on in the background and very little is explicitly told |
| 12:23.25 | Constie | I've been meaning to watch one of those for a while. Stupid finite-length days. |
| 12:26.41 | znf | Why doesn't WoWI mention the license of an addon? :-/ |
| 12:29.28 | Mr_Rabies | one of what, constie? |
| 12:29.48 | Constie | The Gundams. |
| 12:30.00 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 12:30.29 | Mr_Rabies | well, there's always the old classics, how much tolerance do you have for 1979-1981ish animation? |
| 12:31.49 | Mr_Rabies | the original movies are really good, but there's 3 of them, at around 3 hours EACH, and the animation is old |
| 12:32.00 | Mr_Rabies | and it does start a bit slow, but by the end is really, really good |
| 12:32.28 | Mr_Rabies | everything after that basically follows up to the original, though, except the alternate universe stuff, which mostly sucks except for G Gundam |
| 12:33.41 | Mr_Rabies | g gundam is amazing, but isn't really a gundam show |
| 12:35.48 | Mr_Rabies | ask me sometime if you do want to watch one and i'll help you, i've seen just about all of the shows in some capacity |
| 12:37.02 | Constie | A movie would probably be easiest to make time for for me, so I guess I'll start with those, thanks! |
| 12:38.11 | Constie | I just have schoolwork and WoW raids and books and Shadow of Mordor and Europa Universalis to do first... |
| 12:38.17 | Mr_Rabies | Mobile Suit Gundam: Movie I, II, III (or Movie Trilogy) are what you want to look for |
| 12:38.26 | Mr_Rabies | the movies summarize the original tv show and clean it up a lot |
| 12:38.44 | Mr_Rabies | the original show had a lot of stuff added to sell toys that was removed for the movies, and as a whole it's a lot more grounded |
| 12:39.24 | Mr_Rabies | it kind of established the idea of the "Real Robot" (not that giant robots are realistic, but these are treated more like tanks or other war machines and not superheroes, like Super Robots) |
| 12:39.50 | Mr_Rabies | which was all robot shows were prior to gundam, basically superhero shows with an episodic format to sell toys |
| 12:41.13 | Mr_Rabies | they also reanimated progressively more as the movies go along |
| 12:41.46 | Mr_Rabies | the first movie has maybe 20% new animation, the second one maybe 50%, the third has probably 70-80% new animation |
| 12:41.52 | Mr_Rabies | "new" being 1982 on a movie budget |
| 12:42.13 | Mr_Rabies | instead of 1979 on a "this will never do well and it got canceled before completion" budget |
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| 12:45.50 | Mr_Rabies | it does have its own charm though :v https://data.archive.moe/board/m/image/1316/98/1316982843448.gif |
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| 12:46.19 | Mr_Rabies | good animation direction can surpass a shoestring budget to some extent, though there are limitations and the original show hits them frequently :v |
| 12:48.01 | Mr_Rabies | the movies mostly clean up stuff like this: https://tsuzukusekai.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/gundam_quality.jpg |
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| 13:33.28 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
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| 14:08.24 | Industrial | has a blueberry muffin >:3 |
| 14:09.23 | Industrial | http://i.imgur.com/xJfzX.jpg |
| 14:10.00 | Industrial | can spend like 4 hours on 9gag and then realize its dawn |
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| 14:45.48 | CALIZ | How would I go about anchoring a kgPanel to target nameplate? |
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| 14:57.06 | bluspacecow | challenge for you guys. whats the smallest amount of characters I can use in a macro to clear the UIErrorsFrame [so those red you are looting messages dont show] |
| 14:57.49 | bluspacecow | âcause I have /run UIErrorsFrame:Clear() but unfortunately it wonât fit in this macro Iâm using |
| 14:57.49 | Maldivia | UIErrorsFrame:Hide() ? :) |
| 14:58.01 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15538883964?page=1#11 |
| 14:58.16 | Ressy | Good morning all! Its such a wonderful morning (its overcast and going to snow like crazy).. But a great morning. :) |
| 14:58.18 | bluspacecow | the 2nd âzzMillingâ macro is the one Iâm looking to fit that in there |
| 14:58.24 | bluspacecow | O_O |
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| 14:58.44 | bluspacecow | Ressies gone from all dark doom and gloom to HELLO WORLD HI ARE YOU I AM SHINEY SUNSHINE |
| 14:58.51 | Ressy | does a happy dance |
| 14:59.06 | bluspacecow | feeling better ? |
| 14:59.12 | Ressy | I helped to piss off Bell, Rogers & Videotron. CRTC just ruled against them this morning. *snickers* |
| 14:59.21 | bluspacecow | oh yeah |
| 14:59.26 | Ressy | Its a great morning |
| 14:59.29 | bluspacecow | thatâll put the bourborn in your coffee |
| 14:59.54 | Fisker | hey Ressy |
| 15:00.02 | Ivnedar_ | have a prep macro create a global single char named function that clears the uierrorsframe? |
| 15:00.08 | Fisker | What is it about? |
| 15:01.38 | Ressy | Bell, Rogers & Videotron were charging $5-10 for 10 hours of mobile tv, no data charges. Meanwhile, to watch that same amount of netflix, would have been $30-40 easy in data charges alone. |
| 15:01.51 | Ressy | they were exempting their own tv products from data usage limits.. |
| 15:02.02 | Ressy | We all filed against that.. And CRTC smacked them down today |
| 15:02.25 | Fisker | But you have unlimited data ;P |
| 15:03.00 | Ressy | I do with Wind. Most Cellphone carriers here don't have unlimited data |
| 15:03.03 | Maldivia | bluspacecow: removing whitespace etc should get you down to 255 with Clear() added |
| 15:03.43 | Industrial | They took my unlimited away when my contract ended :( basterds :( |
| 15:03.57 | Ressy | Most cellphone plans have minimal data. |
| 15:04.03 | Fisker | Ressy I was more poking fun at the fact that "unlimited" is 5GB |
| 15:04.08 | Ressy | and yet, they were exempting their own data traffic. |
| 15:04.21 | Ressy | oh.. Thats Fair Use. |
| 15:04.29 | Ressy | here anyways. |
| 15:04.44 | Ressy | All they do is slow you after that due to you putting an excessive amount of strain on the network. |
| 15:04.50 | Fisker | Well yeah |
| 15:04.53 | Ressy | but you can pay more to take away the slowing here |
| 15:04.54 | Fisker | they slow you to like 2g speeds |
| 15:05.17 | Ressy | $50/month here, gets you 200MB of data. |
| 15:05.21 | Industrial | I dont even want 4g. Im burning through my @GB plan |
| 15:05.24 | Fisker | Over here we have the same thing but they don't advertise it as unlimited data :P |
| 15:05.26 | Ressy | $15/300MB for oversages. |
| 15:05.34 | Industrial | Ressy: WHAT?! |
| 15:05.36 | Ressy | yup. |
| 15:05.39 | Ressy | http://www.rogers.com/web/content/plans-pricing |
| 15:05.41 | Ressy | Its ridiculous. |
| 15:05.44 | Ressy | Its why I'm with wind. |
| 15:05.46 | Fisker | But xGB Data (and small print says: After xGB usage your speed drops to 128kB/s" |
| 15:05.51 | Ivnedar_ | 2c/kb here, found that out the hard way |
| 15:06.15 | Ressy | I get 3g/HSPA, and its only in the city I live in, and other major cities they're in.. But it works for me. Everything unlimited. Data, talk, text in ontario. |
| 15:06.21 | Ressy | long distance is extra of course. |
| 15:06.42 | Ressy | $30/month for me. |
| 15:07.17 | Industrial | with T-Mobile (netherlands) I pay 30 for 10gb |
| 15:07.41 | Fisker | 15⬠here for 12 hours of talking, free sms/mms and 12GB of Data |
| 15:07.58 | Fisker | and if I exceed 12GB I can just continue at a reduced speed |
| 15:08.00 | bluspacecow | heh occums razor |
| 15:08.12 | Fisker | Or pay a one-time fee to get like 5GB more or so |
| 15:08.13 | bluspacecow | just make a macro to hide the error frame. it should come back on logout :P |
| 15:08.18 | Industrial | and I dont pay more for making an internet connection through my phone that's physically longer :S |
| 15:08.56 | Maldivia | bluspacecow: http://pastebin.com/maGUPj8G -- that should be 255 char, doesn't that do what you want? |
| 15:15.38 | bluspacecow | still getting messages show up intermittently in UIErrorsFrame. Iâll just hide the frame |
| 15:15.43 | bluspacecow | its an alt :P |
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| 15:36.17 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.05 | nevcairiel | your calculations, they fail? |
| 15:37.17 | Fisker | how? |
| 15:37.31 | nevcairiel | seems like a really odd bug there |
| 15:37.31 | Fisker | thung life |
| 15:37.40 | Fisker | He only has one follower though? |
| 15:37.56 | nevcairiel | adding another follower would decrease the xp by 50 |
| 15:38.04 | nevcairiel | *somehow* |
| 15:38.28 | foxlit | also missed a 100%, 30m group. |
| 15:38.53 | Industrial | Fisker: so i googled for thung life, autocorrected to thug life. So I searched for `"thung" lyfe`; Only wow results :D |
| 15:44.35 | foxlit | nevcairiel: adding another follower would decrease the xp by 50 << all of those group sugestions add another follower. |
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| 15:45.08 | nevcairiel | well, the one that reduces the xp is screwed up in any case |
| 15:45.21 | nevcairiel | unless it somehow calcs the success chance into the gains? |
| 15:45.30 | foxlit | the XP numbers shown are an expectation. |
| 15:45.46 | nevcairiel | kinda odd though, as thats not a value you will ever get |
| 15:45.47 | nebula169 | really hate that you do that |
| 15:45.58 | nevcairiel | you will get 0 or full at 95% |
| 15:46.09 | nevcairiel | but never X*0.95 |
| 15:46.13 | nevcairiel | so the value is rather pointless |
| 15:46.22 | nebula169 | especially with like garrison resource rewards |
| 15:47.10 | foxlit | quick, compare 1k+8k at 73%, 2k + 6k at 87%, and 3k + 10k at 53% |
| 15:47.38 | nevcairiel | for your calculations which to prefer it might be useful, but for me to look at ... not so much |
| 15:48.11 | nebula169 | i'd rather see the full reward at 73% vs the full reward at 87% |
| 15:48.35 | nevcairiel | from that dropdown, i might assume that even if he succeeds, he may not level |
| 15:48.46 | nevcairiel | at least thats the obvious interpretation to me |
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| 15:52.59 | Ackis | There are two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors. |
| 15:53.01 | Ackis | lol |
| 15:54.15 | bluspacecow | âbloo.jpgâ <ââ you rang foxlit ? |
| 15:55.20 | bluspacecow | *gasp* the Mexican posted |
| 16:10.19 | Torhal | invalidates Ackis's cache because he's off by one. |
| 16:12.17 | foxlit | nebula169: i'd rather see the full reward at 73% vs the full reward at 87% << I wouldn't :) |
| 16:12.46 | foxlit | because those numbers are ugly, and you'd have to do the multiplication to make an objective decision anyway. |
| 16:15.10 | nebula169 | i mean, the number you give really has no meaning, (making up numbers) i'd rather do a mission that gives 30k at 79% (lower expected) than one that's 15k at 95% (higher expected) |
| 16:19.22 | nebula169 | i guess it's really that big of a deal, really don't care about exp missions anyway, lol |
| 16:19.29 | nebula169 | not that big* |
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| 16:20.18 | nebula169 | but not being able to see how many resources you'll get in full with bonuses is annoying |
| 16:24.24 | bluspacecow | .... |
| 16:24.33 | bluspacecow | thereâs a dino loose in my garrison |
| 16:24.36 | bluspacecow | i dunno why |
| 16:24.39 | nebula169 | pet it |
| 16:25.11 | bluspacecow | i did and he run away :( |
| 16:30.11 | bluspacecow | sleepy tiems! |
| 16:40.18 | foxlit | (making up numbers) i'd rather do a mission that gives 30k at 79% (lower expected) than one that's 15k at 95% (higher expected) << 30k at 47%, you mean? :) |
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| 18:13.14 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: http://i.imgur.com/z3XaS8P.png |
| 18:13.35 | Thunder_Child | I hate you zenzelezz. |
| 18:18.13 | Lopeppeppy | That's nasty, zenzelezz |
| 18:18.46 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: but you did get the joke? |
| 18:18.52 | Lopeppeppy | I guess not. :P |
| 18:19.17 | Thunder_Child | Play more Mass Effect. |
| 18:19.21 | zenzelezz | those creatures are from Mass Effect, and they are called "keepers" |
| 18:19.47 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy: Just assume that anything zenzelezz points toward me is a pun. |
| 18:19.48 | Fisker | I got it |
| 18:19.53 | Fisker | It wasn't funny, but I got it |
| 18:20.00 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: what Thunder_Child said |
| 18:27.52 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nruN7r7k_U |
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| 18:44.10 | jleclanche | interesting, I can ssh into my machine through ipv4 but not ipv6 |
| 18:48.51 | Thunder_Child | Could be different firewall settings, but I would guess ssh software. |
| 18:49.09 | Arrowmaster | firewall or check to see if its even listening on ipv6 |
| 18:51.02 | jleclanche | good point Arrowmaster, let me see |
| 18:51.16 | Arrowmaster | if it was my machine, i dont leave default ssh open to the outside world so i would be checking that i port forwarded it correctly on the external router |
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| 18:51.29 | jleclanche | yes its listening |
| 18:51.43 | jleclanche | so from lan i can connect through ipv6 but not from wan |
| 18:52.15 | jleclanche | what could be blocking it? iptables has empty rules |
| 18:52.23 | Arrowmaster | does external incoming ipv6 work otherwise? |
| 18:52.47 | Arrowmaster | it could be using a locallink address on the lan and not working with an externally accessable address |
| 18:53.53 | jleclanche | hm |
| 18:53.59 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: do you have ipv6? |
| 18:54.05 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 18:54.13 | Arrowmaster | because timewarner sucks |
| 18:54.48 | kd3 | I do |
| 18:55.29 | jleclanche | kd3: does this load? https://ipv6.leclan.ch/ |
| 18:58.41 | kd3 | I"m seeing SYNs go out, but that's it |
| 18:59.44 | jleclanche | mm |
| 18:59.55 | jleclanche | will figure it out another time as usual |
| 19:01.22 | jleclanche | (zhCN/koKR/zhTW) Celebrate the Lunar New Year in Hearthstone! Heroes will say âHappy New Yearâ instead of âHelloâ when emotes are used. |
| 19:01.28 | jleclanche | lol talk about underwhelming |
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| 19:21.13 | g0urra | wat http://puu.sh/fcnCz/b0d821bb1d.png |
| 19:21.33 | kd3 | vote rigging says what? |
| 19:23.03 | g0urra | "ESO is ahead? They must have spent loads of $$$ on their hype machine." < 43 hours ago |
| 19:23.18 | g0urra | so super shady |
| 19:28.26 | kd3 | wait, what... _microsoft_ is investing in cyanogen? http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/microsoft-to-invest-in-cyanogen-hopes-to-take-android-away-from-google/ |
| 19:34.07 | Gnarfoz | anything to piss off Google |
| 19:34.32 | jleclanche | MS has been doing very non-MS moves lately |
| 19:35.55 | jleclanche | can someone recommend a good tv monitor? I'm looking to hook up my living room with a netflix box |
| 19:36.38 | Neffi | by TV monitor you mean a TV, right? |
| 19:37.03 | jleclanche | well i dont care about actual tv features as it wont be hooked up to anything other than a server |
| 19:37.16 | Neffi | ah, ok |
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| 19:44.25 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: that doesn't even work on the ICMP level |
| 19:44.26 | Thunder_Child | jleclanche: I bet you do care about features. |
| 19:44.32 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: (if it's not your ISP eating that) |
| 19:45.00 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: its probably my setup. |
| 19:45.14 | Gnarfoz | only if your last name is really Telia |
| 19:45.22 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: ok, how much do you want to bet? how about $1000? that should cover the cost of the tv by far |
| 19:45.43 | Thunder_Child | jleclanche: Cute. Do you want 3D? |
| 19:45.47 | jleclanche | no |
| 19:45.51 | Thunder_Child | Then you care. |
| 19:45.52 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: http://haste.sbuehl.com/bevuxenavu.tex |
| 19:46.07 | Gnarfoz | what ISP is it? |
| 19:46.11 | jleclanche | telia |
| 19:46.14 | Neffi | > .tex |
| 19:46.17 | Gnarfoz | well, in that case |
| 19:46.19 | Neffi | oh hastebin, you so silly |
| 19:46.30 | Gnarfoz | Neffi: put .css if you like, or .whatever! |
| 19:46.41 | Neffi | I just laugh at their autodetection |
| 19:46.47 | Neffi | it can be outright silly sometimes |
| 19:46.53 | jleclanche | http://haste.sbuehl.com/bevuxenavu.gnarfoz_has_shorter_genitals_than_average |
| 19:47.01 | Gnarfoz | and proud of it |
| 19:47.01 | Neffi | ha |
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| 20:07.51 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: mediacrush is ded :( |
| 20:07.54 | Shirik | speaking of ip addresses |
| 20:08.05 | Shirik | someone just linked me to an article which states that North Korea has 1024 IP addresses |
| 20:08.18 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: ping sircmpwn in #mediacrush |
| 20:08.26 | Gnarfoz | no, I mean, they closed it |
| 20:08.31 | Gnarfoz | /sadface |
| 20:08.41 | Neffi | Shirik: yes. their entire connection to the rest of the world is a single 10 gigabit link, iirc |
| 20:08.58 | Shirik | that must be some awesome internet |
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| 20:09.03 | Shirik | 10 gigabits for the 2 people that use it ever |
| 20:09.09 | Neffi | why do you think it was taken offline so easily after the Sony hack? |
| 20:09.10 | Gnarfoz | I'm amazed it's that much |
| 20:09.16 | Neffi | a couple dudes took their entire country offline |
| 20:09.21 | Gnarfoz | because NSA has access to their routers |
| 20:09.23 | Gnarfoz | that's why |
| 20:09.57 | Fisker | What do you mean they took the country offline? That implies it was online to begin with |
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| 20:38.17 | Shirik | I think Scott Adams might be on my team. He nailed it for my current project. http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-01-26 |
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| 20:54.05 | Jamash | dammit, so close http://dilbert.com/strip/2014-12-31 |
| 20:55.11 | fewyn | i haven't read dilbert in a year |
| 20:55.19 | fewyn | maybe i should play catchup |
| 20:57.31 | pompy1 | "It's been a year and a half and we've come to the point where we can no longer continue this project. We have reached our storage capacity, and our ad revenue and donations are lower than ever. " |
| 21:01.16 | Mr_Rabies | foss.txt |
| 21:01.25 | Mihau | Mediacru.sh? |
| 21:01.31 | Mihau | Yeah. |
| 21:03.55 | Mihau | Basically, Mediacrush's domain was shadowbanned from Reddit for about six months and the admins refused to talk to them about it. Meanwhile Gfycat conveniently gets a pass and is allowed the huge social networking presence. |
| 21:04.47 | Jamash | Adams doesn't always nail it, but when he does http://dilbert.com/strip/2014-12-08 |
| 21:05.42 | Fisker | hugtackles Cairenn |
| 21:05.53 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 21:05.56 | Gnarfoz | who cares about reddit :o |
| 21:06.34 | Mihau | Gnarfoz: If you are a web site that helps to improve the sharing of GIFs, small images, and memes then Reddit is your number one source of new traffic revenue. |
| 21:07.01 | jleclanche | Mihau: yeah it's really bullshit |
| 21:07.52 | plaw | if your revenue depends on a 3rd party who can permaban yer arse you're probably not doing it right |
| 21:07.57 | Mihau | jleclanche: There are rumors that the Gfycat owners are close friends with Reddit admins. |
| 21:08.07 | jleclanche | not just rumors.. |
| 21:08.21 | jleclanche | Mihau: im planning to fork the project and turn it into a volatile image host. i need one for myself |
| 21:08.32 | jleclanche | a pastebin and image bin in one |
| 21:08.39 | Mihau | Nice. |
| 21:15.31 | fewyn | http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/29/7932653/fcc-changed-definition-broadband-25mbps |
| 21:16.24 | Neffi | good stuff |
| 21:16.51 | Neffi | I wonder what this will change: will ISPs try harder to provide reasonable speeds, or will they just stop calling it broadband and sell the same shit for the same price? |
| 21:17.54 | Mihau | Always the lazy option. |
| 21:18.15 | Mihau | "Residential Speed Internet" TA-DA |
| 21:20.22 | Semlar | seriously neffi |
| 21:20.36 | Semlar | they're just going to stop calling it broadband |
| 21:20.52 | Semlar | and continue charging $60 a month for 10mbps |
| 21:21.14 | Neffi | well I think it makes a difference with subsidized last-mile wiring |
| 21:21.44 | Neffi | but I imagine places already wired up like cities will just enjoy the same deal: slow or expensive |
| 21:21.57 | Semlar | why not both |
| 21:22.06 | Neffi | because there's too little competition |
| 21:22.18 | Semlar | right, so they can offer slow and expensive |
| 21:22.22 | Neffi | oh.. you said both |
| 21:22.28 | Neffi | yeah, some places enjoy just that |
| 21:22.29 | Semlar | which is what mine is currently |
| 21:22.41 | Neffi | move to a google fiber location |
| 21:22.58 | Semlar | i'm paying $60 for 10/1 when a few miles away you could have fiber for less |
| 21:23.05 | Neffi | 10/1? fuck man |
| 21:23.06 | Fisker | Wideband? |
| 21:23.22 | Semlar | fatband |
| 21:23.25 | Neffi | I have 15/15 (actually 24/15) for less |
| 21:24.12 | Neffi | oh my bad, my plan would actually be $55 without bundle |
| 21:24.20 | Neffi | but now it's 25/25. they just havent upgraded me yet |
| 21:28.46 | Jamash | I get pretty good max speed but it's comcast so when I do a speed test the graph looks like the output of a wav file analyzer |
| 21:29.22 | Thunder_Child | I just wish it was a requirement that up/down need to be the same. |
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| 21:30.31 | Jamash | nowai then everyone would host the bit torrentials all the time |
| 21:30.45 | Neffi | "bit torrentials" |
| 21:30.48 | Neffi | ok I laughed a lil |
| 21:32.56 | Semlar | most people don't need anywhere near the upstream as down |
| 21:33.11 | Semlar | and more up means less down |
| 21:35.45 | Jamash | ISPs avoid building internal capacity and paying for external transit that they don't absolutely have to |
| 21:36.11 | Jamash | which is why if you want a symmetric connection and you're not lucky enough to get google fiber you pay out the wazoo |
| 21:41.00 | tenterflex | hey guys |
| 21:41.01 | tenterflex | looking to make a macro that swaps between two one handers (Different names) and two different one handers (different names) |
| 21:41.04 | tenterflex | i know you can do stuff like "/equipslot [equipped:shield]" - can you have [equipped:Item Name Here]? |
| 21:42.01 | Neffi | --- try it |
| 21:42.26 | tenterflex | --- not the answer I was looking for |
| 21:43.14 | Neffi | then wait for somebody to hold your hand. |
| 21:43.22 | Neffi | or launch the game and try it and have your answer in 2 minutes |
| 21:43.50 | tenterflex | yeah I'll just wait for somebody to hold my hand, thanks |
| 21:43.54 | Constie | http://wow.gamepedia.com/Macro_conditionals |
| 21:45.08 | Semlar | the answer is no |
| 21:45.20 | tenterflex | yeah, I see that now |
| 21:45.37 | tenterflex | because Constie gave me a useful link instead of saying --- try it |
| 21:46.28 | Constie | I mean, personally I'd try it anyway just in case the wiki was wrong. |
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| 23:08.28 | Arrowmaster | i wonder what its going to cost me now to upgrade to broadband again |
| 23:10.15 | zenzelezz | "to broadband"? |
| 23:10.30 | kd3 | the fcc definition of broadband is now 25/3 |
| 23:11.13 | zenzelezz | I find that reasonable |
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| 23:11.49 | Thunder_Child | I don't. |
| 23:11.59 | Arrowmaster | i have 20/2 right now |
| 23:12.13 | kd3 | after years of 1.5/128 at home, I'm now at 3.5/384. night and day, but still, that's pathetic |
| 23:12.27 | Mr_Rabies | i'm at 6 mbit |
| 23:12.38 | Mr_Rabies | they just increased our monthly cost for just internet to $52 |
| 23:12.46 | Mr_Rabies | goooo AT&T |
| 23:12.54 | Mr_Rabies | your tiering sounds like....earthlink, kd3? |
| 23:13.02 | Arrowmaster | i can upgrade to 30/5 or maybe even 50/5, but i really need to figure out the bill since i think they are currently charging way more than i see them advertising online |
| 23:13.26 | kd3 | just at&t's uverse product. it's actually 3.5/500, now that I'm looking at the modem |
| 23:13.36 | Arrowmaster | huh my modem is on the ipv6 supported list, yet no ipv6 |
| 23:13.55 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 23:14.06 | Mr_Rabies | they want us to swap to uverse |
| 23:14.11 | Mr_Rabies | but the gateways are just AWFUL |
| 23:14.13 | Mr_Rabies | so i refuse |
| 23:14.22 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: what would you consider to a good definition then? |
| 23:14.25 | nevcairiel | the US, were the internet is slow and expensive, but thats the price for freedom! :d |
| 23:14.27 | kd3 | I was finally able to get it into bridge mode so I'm using my old router |
| 23:14.30 | Mr_Rabies | 10/100, 802.11g wifi with awful range |
| 23:14.41 | Mr_Rabies | oh, you can bridge the one you have? |
| 23:14.48 | kd3 | "bridge mode" |
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| 23:14.59 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think bridge mode works with the tv/telephone service though, does it? |
| 23:15.05 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz: No, I just think that it should be symmetrical. 10x10, 20x20, 15x15, etc. |
| 23:15.08 | nevcairiel | let me guess, the ISPs absolutely enforce that you use their modem and nothing else, ever |
| 23:15.21 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: ah; that I can agree on |
| 23:15.41 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: honestly, while that is nice for a techy, the general population just never needs as much upload as they need download |
| 23:15.49 | kd3 | the firmware calls it "passthrough" mode. it just reassigns the public IP to the next device that connects to it on the lan side. voice still works |
| 23:15.50 | nevcairiel | I would be fine if they offerd those as alternate contracts |
| 23:16.01 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: you can buy your own |
| 23:16.13 | Arrowmaster | they keep increasing the lease prices though so i might do that soon |
| 23:16.36 | Mr_Rabies | for cable, not really, nevcairiel |
| 23:16.49 | Arrowmaster | i can buy my own for cable |
| 23:16.51 | Mr_Rabies | but for DSL, which is the best that's available in many areas, yeah |
| 23:16.55 | Mr_Rabies | more or less |
| 23:17.10 | Mr_Rabies | i have one that's not -from- ATT but it is ATT branded |
| 23:17.20 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.23 | Mr_Rabies | it's not one they ever offered for subscribers, but you could buy it in retail stores |
| 23:17.38 | nevcairiel | Don't have much experience w ith cable around here since i've never had it, but with DSL you get a free choice in device on most ISPs |
| 23:18.03 | nevcairiel | of course they try to sell you theirs, but you can just refuse :D |
| 23:18.22 | Arrowmaster | yeah we pay an equipment rental fee for the cable modem if we dont buy our own |
| 23:18.22 | Mr_Rabies | if you want to go hog wild and mess with VPI/VCI settings or whatever you can, but it's still iffy even then |
| 23:18.33 | Mr_Rabies | you can't really get third party DSL modems here anyway |
| 23:18.42 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: At a certain point yes. However I can see the use case for 5x5 vs 5x1 for uploading pictures/videos which is happening for even not techy people. |
| 23:18.57 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: well sure, a certain minimal speed might be nice |
| 23:18.58 | Mr_Rabies | thanks, kd3 |
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| 23:20.03 | nevcairiel | i'm on 50/10 now and i'm mostly fine. the next step up is 100/40, but its not available in my part of town quite yet, still rolling out... |
| 23:20.42 | Thunder_Child | I have 18/3 I think. I don't need to get faster down, but I would like a faster up. |
| 23:21.14 | Gnarfoz | well... http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg13718.html good for Vint! |
| 23:22.25 | Thunder_Child | 1969...bit of a wait. |
| 23:22.43 | nevcairiel | they sure take a long time to promote RFCs to standards :p |
| 23:23.33 | Gnarfoz | (good thing the actual explanation to what happened there is not linked there at all: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-announce/KIbuNLhChScLC2JBTmFOjj8fT78 ) |
| 23:23.50 | Gnarfoz | it's more of a "well.. duh!" change ^^ |
| 23:28.28 | tenterflex | I get about |
| 23:28.29 | tenterflex | 230kb/s |
| 23:28.32 | tenterflex | download speed |
| 23:28.32 | tenterflex | . |
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| 23:32.48 | Gnarfoz | good for you |
| 23:32.52 | Gnarfoz | http://imgur.com/a/POgcC grim |
| 23:36.51 | tenterflex | faggot |
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| 23:38.30 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: ^ *shrug* |
| 23:38.41 | Cairenn | ... |
| 23:39.05 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz is making friends again i see |
| 23:39.14 | Gnarfoz | apparently :o |
| 23:39.20 | Thunder_Child | Neffi didn't help either. |
| 23:39.43 | Gnarfoz | he tried! ^^ |
| 23:42.09 | Neffi | what |
| 23:42.26 | Thunder_Child | I mean help the guys state of mind. |
| 23:42.35 | Neffi | who, tenter? |
| 23:42.59 | Simca | i feel like he was banned before |
| 23:43.06 | Neffi | he could've taken my advice, or he could've responded with "I cannot access the client right now" |
| 23:43.12 | Neffi | he wanted to be a dickhead instead |
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| 23:45.09 | Torhal | Neffi: Definitely. I mean, he called Gnarfoz a bundle of sticks! |
| 23:45.17 | Neffi | wait he did? |
| 23:45.20 | Neffi | that's not ok! |
| 23:45.26 | Torhal | You're damn right! |
| 23:46.55 | Thunder_Child | Or a cig. |
| 23:47.23 | Neffi | wraps Thunder_Child in paper and lights his hair on fire. |
| 23:47.27 | Neffi | fag |
| 23:47.28 | Neffi | ;) |
| 23:47.43 | Thunder_Child | More like a joint. |
| 23:48.10 | Neffi | meh. anyone play guild wars 2? |
| 23:48.25 | Thunder_Child | I did when it first came out but that did not last long. |
| 23:48.31 | Gnarfoz | I'm approximately 2 faggots, but I'm working on losing some weight! |
| 23:48.42 | Neffi | hehe gnarf |
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