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| 01:11.37 | fewyn | https://www.wowthing.org/u/fewyn/#overview |
| 01:15.18 | Ssateneth | damn, master plan on mmo-champ front page again. im thnking money is getting traded here <.< |
| 01:15.36 | Ssateneth | wonders if he needs to pay for additions/improvements |
| 01:16.51 | Ssateneth | ..sorry, im just salty about something else |
| 01:16.53 | Ssateneth | carry on |
| 01:17.48 | Trela | Ssateneth: Which one are you working on? |
| 01:18.11 | fewyn | i've yet to see any garrison addons as polished/feature rich as master plan |
| 01:37.01 | Ssateneth | gah |
| 01:37.14 | Ssateneth | high stamina party buff seems worthless once you have an army of epic mounts |
| 01:37.29 | Ssateneth | you'd think it would work based on the mission's base duration |
| 01:37.30 | fewyn | i go for scavengers |
| 01:37.37 | fewyn | but i think i might stop |
| 01:37.39 | Ivnedar | I thought it did work off base? |
| 01:37.43 | Ssateneth | i only have 2 scavengers, i'm good. |
| 01:37.48 | Ssateneth | capped on garrison resources |
| 01:37.56 | Ssateneth | Ivnedar it doesnt |
| 01:38.08 | Ssateneth | had a stamina party member on an 8 hour mission |
| 01:38.13 | Ssateneth | then added an epic mount |
| 01:38.17 | Ssateneth | the stam buff disappeared |
| 01:38.23 | fewyn | yeah that's why i think i'll probably stop |
| 01:39.16 | Ssateneth | scavengers might be more useful if 6.1 has more things you can spend garrison resources on |
| 01:39.49 | fewyn | true |
| 01:39.53 | Ssateneth | but right now theres nothing to spend them on once you have all l3 buildings |
| 01:40.07 | Ivnedar | trading post? |
| 01:40.07 | fewyn | yeah i have something like 9k resources right now on my main |
| 01:40.14 | fewyn | mats are mostly useless |
| 01:40.19 | Ssateneth | nothing of significant worth |
| 01:40.49 | Ssateneth | im hoping the rush orders are bought with resources |
| 01:41.02 | Ssateneth | making it easier to accelerate the production of your bop mats |
| 02:05.13 | karl_w_w | so we're closer to 2030 than we are to 2000 |
| 02:05.59 | karl_w_w | no we arent |
| 02:06.04 | Simca | haha exactly |
| 02:06.06 | Simca | i was about to say that |
| 02:06.18 | Simca | we're closer to 1/1/2030 than 1/1/2000 |
| 02:06.37 | Simca | that's what you were thinking originally i'm sure |
| 02:07.11 | karl_w_w | i wasnt thinking anything :P |
| 02:07.19 | karl_w_w | i was repeating |
| 02:07.35 | karl_w_w | we are closer to 2030 than the turn of the millenium |
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| 02:41.16 | kd3 | as of 2015-01-11 days since 2001-01-01 = 5123; days until 2030-01-01 = 5469 |
| 02:41.20 | kd3 | so, no |
| 02:46.53 | Shirik | oh damn |
| 02:46.57 | Shirik | shut down |
| 02:47.31 | Shirik | now I am off to rite aid because you all got me sick over the weekend. |
| 02:48.29 | Ivnedar | well, did the new millenium start in 2000 or 2001? :P |
| 02:48.48 | Ivnedar | I agree with 2001 btw :P |
| 02:51.57 | Neffi | 2000 |
| 02:52.13 | kd3 | so how long was the first millennium? |
| 02:52.37 | Ivnedar | 999 years |
| 02:52.50 | Neffi | year 0 - year 999; so 1000 |
| 02:53.03 | kd3 | there was no year 0. it went BCE 1 -> AD 1 |
| 02:53.22 | Neffi | then it was 999 years |
| 02:54.16 | kd3 | then it wasn't a millenium, it was a 999-year-ium |
| 02:54.21 | karl_w_w | so are you saying each decade starts on the 1 year? |
| 02:54.24 | Neffi | also who mixes BCE/CE with BC/AD? |
| 02:54.29 | Neffi | it's one or the other! |
| 02:55.00 | karl_w_w | 1990s was actually 1991-2000 |
| 02:55.07 | karl_w_w | cos there was no year 0 |
| 02:55.24 | Neffi | or we can ignore legacy |
| 02:55.32 | Neffi | and go with what suits best no |
| 02:55.33 | Neffi | now |
| 03:01.09 | Mr_Rabies | man i hope the ptr comes up tomorrow :X |
| 03:01.23 | kd3 | barring showstoppers I'd be shocked if it doesn't |
| 03:33.00 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 03:33.24 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder how possible it is to write a generic gui for addons without one assuming some kind of standard is adopted |
| 03:33.47 | Mr_Rabies | it seems that Claw is command-line only for some reason :( |
| 03:34.15 | Mr_Rabies | that's almost always worth uninstalling for me if the addon's any kind of complex |
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| 04:05.08 | Arrowmaster | haha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A4vle_goat |
| 04:05.39 | Arrowmaster | 2005 Burnt by unknown vandals reportedly dressed as Santa and the gingerbread man, by shooting a flaming arrow at the goat at 21:00 on 3 December. |
| 04:36.20 | Ivnedar | lol, that's great |
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| 06:32.53 | jleclanche | foxlit: Didn't master plan display follower counts in the inn follower pick dialog? |
| 06:43.37 | SleepyBear | is there a public email for shirik or any other way to get in touch with him he doesn't seem to check his msgs on here much |
| 06:54.10 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: ping |
| 07:43.38 | jnwhiteh | SleepyBear: I can get in touch with him if its something important |
| 07:43.40 | jnwhiteh | why, whats up? |
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| 08:20.13 | SleeperBear | Jnwhiteh nothing important just trying to learn from one of his lua projects |
| 08:25.35 | jleclanche | SleeperBear: you can always just ask here if you have lua questions |
| 08:34.06 | SleeperBear | I wanted to learn from the old shiibot he had on here was just trying to ask if he could publish the source thats why i didnt want to bug the channel about it |
| 08:34.44 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 08:35.04 | Mr_Rabies | i can't figure out how to blacklist equipped gear from omnicc |
| 08:35.19 | Mr_Rabies | in the characterframe |
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| 08:41.13 | jnwhiteh | SleeperBear: I think people generally don't post the source of their IRC bots |
| 08:41.16 | jnwhiteh | I don't post lua_bot's, for example |
| 08:41.35 | jnwhiteh | makes it so someone can just spawn your bot in a channel and that's really annoying/frustrating |
| 08:42.05 | jnwhiteh | I share my lua sandbox and other relevant modules |
| 08:42.43 | SleeperBear | Ahh fair |
| 08:44.27 | jnwhiteh | also all irc bots are terribly written |
| 08:44.32 | jnwhiteh | as a rule =) |
| 08:45.22 | Mr_Rabies | i once fed a markov chain chat bot pages and pages of erotic top gear fanfiction |
| 08:45.31 | Mr_Rabies | its chat database had to be wiped as a result :< |
| 08:46.26 | SleeperBear | Lol i just figured as irc is something im interested in learning from his bot with its powerful protection would have been a great place to start learning lua |
| 08:47.16 | SleeperBear | Top gear fanfic is a big thing? Haha |
| 08:47.40 | jleclanche | irc is not fun to hack on |
| 08:47.41 | jleclanche | really isnt |
| 08:50.19 | SleeperBear | Im old i grew up with mirc scripting and eggdrop tcl lua seemed like a more interesting and relevant progression |
| 08:50.50 | Mr_Rabies | mirc scripting is the closest thing to coding i can do |
| 08:51.54 | SleeperBear | Same |
| 08:52.32 | Mr_Rabies | friend of mine wrote an IRCd and chat bot in ruby that he uses for his own server |
| 08:53.59 | jleclanche | http://linedictionary.naver.com/dict.html is awesome |
| 08:54.17 | jleclanche | took me a while to translate ç产æ¥æ with the mouse... but it worked |
| 09:29.54 | karl_w_w | you know what is awesome? shogun, the 1980 miniseries |
| 09:32.44 | karl_w_w | you know jleclanche |
| 09:32.58 | jleclanche | what do i know karl_w_w |
| 09:33.03 | karl_w_w | you can draw in google translate for all languages with unusual characters |
| 09:33.14 | jleclanche | i couldnt find that |
| 09:33.22 | jleclanche | i know you can in google search |
| 09:34.14 | karl_w_w | in the bottom left corner of the input box |
| 10:07.54 | pompy | http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv Dragon getting captured in about an hour |
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| 12:00.09 | karl_w_w | "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." |
| 12:00.19 | karl_w_w | Socrates, c. 400 BC |
| 12:02.11 | karl_w_w | leg-crossing misanthropes |
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| 13:42.41 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
| 13:43.01 | Lopeppeppy | Bonjour, delicious mortals. |
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| 14:11.02 | karl_w_w | hands Lopeppeppy a fork |
| 14:12.01 | Neffi | don't do that! she'll eat us all! |
| 14:12.56 | Lopeppeppy | Breakfast was way too early and before too much stressful driving. I could eat a horse. |
| 14:13.25 | Neffi | ack, I hate days like that |
| 14:15.09 | Stanzilla | I hate days in general |
| 14:15.29 | Lopeppeppy | It really does throw off the whole rest of the day when the commute in sucks. And it's 85 degrees in the office, time for a frellin' nap. |
| 14:31.26 | karl_w_w | that's perfectly comfortable |
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| 15:28.13 | sb | so 15 more till boiling water, right? :p |
| 15:28.21 | sb | to even |
| 15:39.25 | jleclanche | the nemesis quests are weeklies right, not dailies? |
| 16:01.56 | foxlit | heh, I'm actually out of blackrock ore |
| 16:05.14 | karl_w_w | oh my crap |
| 16:05.21 | karl_w_w | i forgot to login for days |
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| 16:07.59 | karl_w_w | i got distracted by things like family being in hospital |
| 16:08.13 | karl_w_w | but i still pretty much just forgot wow existed |
| 16:25.46 | Thunder_Child | Failure. |
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| 16:43.54 | karl_w_w | https://twitter.com/warrenchrismas/status/554204151262232576/photo/1 |
| 16:44.16 | pompy | Connecticut quake http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usc000tesx#summary |
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| 16:57.06 | pompy | http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/69-people-die-after-drinking-contaminated-beer-in-mozambique/ar-AA84lOo dafuq |
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| 17:17.09 | karl_w_w | well, the spider that was walking around my ceiling vanished so now im going to be |
| 17:17.10 | karl_w_w | d |
| 17:17.51 | Thunder_Child | You want the d? |
| 17:20.36 | pompy | it's gunna crawl on you while you are snoozin' |
| 17:21.36 | pompy | and it's australia so it's prolly http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_akLHpeO7qyA/S_EaQjjvjFI/AAAAAAAAAIs/ZmWMkfutZ8g/s1600/australia.jpg |
| 17:22.59 | karl_w_w | i don't mind ifit crawls on me when I'm sleeping, aslong as itdoesn'twake me up |
| 17:23.30 | pompy | lol |
| 17:23.31 | karl_w_w | and itis one of those, though not asbig :P |
| 17:23.37 | pompy | brave |
| 17:24.28 | karl_w_w | those are huntsman spiders, terrified of peopleand completely harmless |
| 17:26.22 | karl_w_w | anything that'll chasedown and eat cockroaches is goodin my book |
| 17:29.02 | zenzelezz | so I was reading some documentation of a file format at work, based on a subset of another format, and came across this note... "All fields marked 'unused' should be used whenever relevant" |
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| 17:46.23 | Unkle | zenzelezz: Wow. |
| 17:54.43 | Neffi | maybe what they mean is that it's never relevant to use them, and the wording is a trap |
| 17:56.19 | nevcairiel | have you never read file format specs before? the ones i often encounter say "reserved" and then later on explain different values for this "reserved" field. :p |
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| 17:57.41 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: I have never read specs like those before, no |
| 17:58.12 | nevcairiel | its pretty common for them to be a bit crazy :d |
| 17:58.22 | zenzelezz | wouldn't surprise me |
| 17:58.49 | nevcairiel | mostly happens when you try to design with forward-compat in mind |
| 17:59.30 | nevcairiel | so you introduce a few reserved/unused spaces for later use |
| 17:59.40 | zenzelezz | yeah, that bit I'm familiar with |
| 17:59.59 | zenzelezz | in this case the format is based on a larger, more general one, and they've trimmed it down to the essentials |
| 18:00.07 | nevcairiel | for some reason, they dont seem to properly document those no-longer-unused fields later on :p |
| 18:00.40 | nevcairiel | or its documented in some ammendment, but not in the main document .. but weird enough these problems are the same everywhere :D |
| 18:01.50 | zenzelezz | this format has been pretty interesting to work with. It's super-compressed, to the point where if you need only 11 bits, you only use 11 bits, and whatever comes next immediately follows. Bascically bit-aligned. So the structures tend to all have bitmasks for which fields are or aren't present |
| 18:02.02 | zenzelezz | serious amount of bit shifting and messing around |
| 18:02.45 | zenzelezz | this because it's for NFC stuff, where the transfer rate is pretty bad |
| 18:02.57 | nevcairiel | i work with multimedia formats, t hey never waste a single bit :p |
| 18:03.26 | nevcairiel | plenty of different schemes of variable-length coding |
| 18:03.27 | zenzelezz | I'll take your word for it |
| 18:03.37 | nevcairiel | so you never code more than you need |
| 18:04.13 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing you mean encoding, not the work of source-coding? |
| 18:04.35 | nevcairiel | if your number is mostly pretty small, but you need to allow for larger numbers as well, would be a waste to always use up 11 bits if in the majority of cases 5 bits would also do |
| 18:04.38 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 18:24.08 | pompy | wow lol https://www.facebook.com/crayola/posts/10153019987240070 |
| 18:34.07 | fewyn | i sometimes wish the vendor windows sucked less in game |
| 18:34.17 | fewyn | esp the blueprint vendor |
| 18:41.50 | Ayrshire | I want EvE style vendor windows, complete with buy orders. |
| 18:42.00 | fewyn | don't we all |
| 18:42.03 | Ayrshire | And some indication of volume |
| 18:46.43 | Ayrshire | Wildstar didn't go full EvE (only "commodities" got buy orders), but it was still nicer thant WoW's setup. |
| 18:47.20 | Ayrshire | Pity they screwed the pooch, would be nice to give WoW a kick in the pants. |
| 18:47.26 | Unkle | I liked parts of Wildstar's auction house set up. A much more robust implementation. |
| 18:47.47 | Unkle | The rest of the game was ... not that great. |
| 18:48.09 | Ayrshire | The combat was fine, the questing wasn't |
| 18:48.21 | Unkle | Instances sucked ass too. |
| 18:48.23 | Ayrshire | And the raiding was behind a wall |
| 18:48.43 | Ayrshire | Stormtalon lair was alright, but got old fast. |
| 18:48.59 | Ayrshire | Others sucked, yeah |
| 18:49.17 | Unkle | And after a while, the stereotyped 'southern hick' accents made me want to punch someone. |
| 18:49.30 | Ayrshire | Swordmaiden would have been better if they split it up |
| 18:49.44 | Ayrshire | and/or nerf it |
| 18:50.12 | Ayrshire | Easily took 4 hours when learning it, which is insane |
| 18:51.17 | Unkle | I get that they wanted to cater to the crowd who thinks games are getting "too easy." But I think learning curves that steep are a design failure. |
| 18:51.55 | Ayrshire | Haven't played in a couple months, but I stick around #wildstarui dev. Addon comms have been broken for a month now |
| 18:52.37 | Ayrshire | Yeah, I maintain that the difficulty wasn't wrong per se, just that if you're going to have content that hard you need a lot more content leading up to it. |
| 18:52.57 | Ayrshire | It was wrong for the amount of content they had, by far. |
| 18:53.18 | Unkle | I bought the collectors edition of the game, played early access/beta, then played 3 weeks of my first sub, then quit. Making friends on Wildstar without jumping on the "WoW sucks" bandwagon wasn't worth the effort. |
| 18:53.47 | Unkle | Yeah, you need to build skill in your players, not assume skill will magically appear. |
| 18:53.55 | Ayrshire | I had fun, played up until WoD, but that killed it for me. |
| 18:54.29 | Ayrshire | You can't base a game around the 2% or whatever that do raid content |
| 18:55.11 | Ayrshire | That group is especially fickle too, so you need a large casual body that feeds into it |
| 18:55.16 | Unkle | Right. Because those people won't pay the electricity bills. |
| 18:55.48 | Ayrshire | So it's both too small and too likely to not stick around |
| 18:56.21 | Ayrshire | Stuff like the housing was right up the ally of the casuals, they should have doubled down on that stuff. |
| 18:56.48 | Unkle | And the 'telegraphing' for combat was really nice. |
| 18:56.51 | Ayrshire | Also make the starting areas not suck. The questing didn't get good until farside |
| 18:56.59 | Ayrshire | And that was L30+ |
| 18:57.28 | Ayrshire | You can't hide the good content after that much grind, you just drive people away. |
| 18:57.50 | Ayrshire | I miss the telegraphs |
| 18:57.56 | Unkle | The talents/skills progression was ... too easy to screw up. Until you've done it many times, you don't really understand what you're doing. And trying out something new with the same first 5 levels on a rail ... sucked. |
| 18:58.04 | Ayrshire | WoW telegraphs seem so imprecise |
| 18:58.22 | nevcairiel | the telegraphs problem was that the telegraphs was all the gameplay they had :p |
| 18:58.33 | Unkle | The Wildstar team did a lot of things right, but got the biggest things wrong. |
| 18:59.38 | Ayrshire | The core was fine, and the big things wrong with it could have been fixed given time, but they were already well past schedule |
| 19:00.13 | Ayrshire | So it was shoved out the door with all sorts of lightly polished turds |
| 19:00.13 | Unkle | Yeah, you need deep pockets to make shifts in fundamentals. |
| 19:01.23 | Unkle | Every one wants to replicate the success of EQ/Sony and then WoW/Blizzard, specifically the later. |
| 19:01.44 | Ayrshire | WoW had a long alpha/beta |
| 19:02.19 | Ayrshire | By release the fundamentals were pretty good (even if I didn't care for some of the decisions). |
| 19:02.24 | Torhal | Office Internet FTW: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dj3headr3oka839/Screenshot%202015-01-12%2013.01.21.png?dl=0 |
| 19:02.31 | Ayrshire | Of course then everything broke due to load |
| 19:02.43 | Unkle | (Sorry, game design is a hobby. I used to to pen & paper games. You never really cure that.) |
| 19:04.01 | Ayrshire | Armchair designing MMOs is a time honoured passtime. :) |
| 19:05.38 | Ayrshire | Especially when it's easy to say "this doesn't work", and very hard to get *anything* out the door. |
| 19:05.58 | Ayrshire | Endless fodder for complaints. :D |
| 19:16.12 | pompy | Torhal: should have made a short video of the download... |
| 19:16.14 | pompy | lol |
| 19:17.04 | pompy | http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-investigating-apparent-hack-of-military-twitter-account-by-islamic-militants-supporters-1421086712 |
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| 19:23.27 | fewyn | i wonder what i should do with all this ore... it's really starting to pile up |
| 19:23.40 | foxlit | open a jewelcrafting store |
| 19:24.25 | Ayrshire | They really made it a pain to use up extra mats |
| 19:24.42 | Thunder_Child | I have a jc, eng, and blacksmith. It seems to be using it up quite well. |
| 19:24.45 | Mr_Rabies | >To Read the Full Story, Subscribe or Log In |
| 19:24.49 | Ayrshire | Anything worth making needs souldbound time-gated stuff, and it's all cheap on the AH due to oversupply |
| 19:24.51 | Mr_Rabies | do sites really still do this? |
| 19:24.58 | fewyn | yes Mr_Rabies |
| 19:25.02 | fewyn | and it makes me sad |
| 19:25.16 | fewyn | my regeant bank is pretty much full now |
| 19:26.14 | fewyn | http://uplol.fewyn.net/2015-01-12_13-25-37.png |
| 19:26.22 | pompy | wtf http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1677846-A-GM-froze-a-Horde-character-for-trying-to-stop-an-Alliance-group-from-killing-rare?p=31663434#post31663434 |
| 19:26.33 | fewyn | alliance bias! |
| 19:26.37 | fewyn | #itshappening |
| 19:26.41 | fewyn | dot gif |
| 19:27.01 | pompy | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1677846-A-GM-froze-a-Horde-character-for-trying-to-stop-an-Alliance-group-from-killing-rare |
| 19:27.16 | fewyn | it makes sense why they did it though |
| 19:28.08 | pompy | on a pvp server? |
| 19:28.31 | fewyn | griefing is still against the TOS on a pvp server |
| 19:28.42 | pompy | but it's opposite faction |
| 19:28.48 | fewyn | still griefing |
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| 19:31.36 | Mr_Rabies | they definitely tweaked some textures and animations for players in 6.1 |
| 19:31.41 | Mr_Rabies | male night elves especially |
| 19:31.50 | fewyn | doesn't surprise me |
| 19:32.07 | Mr_Rabies | the run animation is no longer a weird copy of the female pandaren run |
| 19:32.31 | Mr_Rabies | and the face seems more animated and the face texture is marginally more detailed |
| 19:32.33 | pompy | fewyn: http://wow.gamepedia.com/Griefing#PvP_griefing the end of that section |
| 19:32.36 | pompy | is it outdated? |
| 19:33.11 | fewyn | maybe i'm wrong |
| 19:33.21 | fewyn | i haven't read the tos in years |
| 19:33.27 | Mr_Rabies | i mean there's no real proof provided anyway |
| 19:33.27 | fewyn | didn't know there was a difference in pvp griefing |
| 19:33.43 | pompy | Mr_Rabies: http://i.imgur.com/igrhwgt.jpg?1 |
| 19:33.45 | Mr_Rabies | take literally everything on the mmo champion forums with as much believability as say, 4chan |
| 19:34.11 | fewyn | so don't believe it at all |
| 19:35.15 | Mr_Rabies | > GMs will not intervene in cross-faction player disputes on PvP realms, except in cases of extreme or excessive harassment. |
| 19:35.18 | Ayrshire | 90% of the time someone getting banned gets banned for something other than what they complained about (or left out of their description) |
| 19:35.49 | Mr_Rabies | entirely possible that the story is not what they said, even with that screenshot |
| 19:36.01 | Mr_Rabies | that's just the GM conversation |
| 19:36.08 | Ayrshire | Amusing when the wall of silence is broken and a GM/dev posts the real reason. |
| 19:36.47 | Ayrshire | Rare though, they don't like to do that without permission. Although I vaguely remember some reddit where posting there counts as permission? |
| 19:36.49 | Mr_Rabies | it's incredibly uncommon for GMs to intervene in pvp affairs so they were probably griefing in some crazy way |
| 19:36.55 | Mr_Rabies | otherwise their story really doesn't add up anyway |
| 19:36.55 | Ayrshire | Not sure what MMO |
| 19:37.04 | Mr_Rabies | 8 v 1 basically means the 1 has no chance |
| 19:37.06 | fewyn | if they were repeatedly resetting the boss |
| 19:37.13 | fewyn | slash rare |
| 19:37.23 | fewyn | i can picture it |
| 19:38.17 | Ayrshire | GM likely watched him for a bit before pulling the trigger too |
| 19:38.47 | fewyn | may even have warned the player |
| 19:39.29 | Ayrshire | GMs can and do make mistakes, but if they made them as often as players complain they'd have been fired long since. |
| 19:41.25 | Mr_Rabies | heirloom collection is up |
| 19:43.00 | Ayrshire | Are they really adding perma firekitty? I thought they were on record as not wanting to allow it to be perma. |
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| 19:47.29 | Mr_Rabies | the cooldown is subject to change, i'm sure, but you already can do perma firekitty if you want to go back into firelands every day or so |
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| 19:50.18 | Ayrshire | Huh, 6.1 might have a follower vendor, selling followers you wouldn't otherwise be eligible for (outpost buildings, etc.) |
| 19:51.07 | g0urra | hopefully in exchange for garrison resources |
| 19:51.22 | Mr_Rabies | probably in exchange for lots of gold |
| 19:51.33 | Mr_Rabies | can't get to draenor on the ptr yet soooooo |
| 19:51.35 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 19:52.10 | Ayrshire | Hrm, garrison dailies that you need to visit other garrisons to get the full selection. |
| 19:53.04 | Ayrshire | I don't think I care for that idea |
| 19:54.09 | Mr_Rabies | the rewards are probably minor enough to just ignore if you feat interaction :p |
| 19:54.13 | Mr_Rabies | fear* |
| 19:55.24 | Ayrshire | I do stuff with guildies all the time |
| 19:55.41 | Ayrshire | It's just this means more coordination of doing things at the same time |
| 19:55.43 | g0urra | i never interact with guildies |
| 19:55.50 | g0urra | since they're almost never online |
| 19:56.45 | Ayrshire | Having a set schedule for raiding is fine, the rewards are that much better, and it's a small % of your playable time. |
| 19:57.32 | Ayrshire | But I dislike things that would otherwise be soloable whose optimal path includes scheduling things. |
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| 19:58.10 | Ayrshire | It's a decent design rule, the optimum path should be the fun path wherever possible |
| 19:58.47 | Ayrshire | Otherwise players will go for the optimum path, and then complain it's not fun. Because we're silly like that. |
| 20:07.21 | jleclanche | Fisker: ping |
| 20:07.38 | Fisker | Hi |
| 20:07.45 | jleclanche | Fisker: can you come on hearthstone in a sec? |
| 20:07.55 | Fisker | Sure |
| 20:08.30 | Thunder_Child | He already did. |
| 20:08.39 | Thunder_Child | He was satisfied. |
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| 20:11.17 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.34 | Mr_Rabies | whew |
| 20:11.43 | Mr_Rabies | holding onto my upgrade tokens was a good idea |
| 20:15.33 | foxlit | fwiw the reply is incorrect; it's targetting 645, and if it's off by 15%, 10 item levels aren't going to save it anyway :( |
| 20:16.55 | Mr_Rabies | i'm still trying to figure out what's up with GR |
| 20:17.07 | Mr_Rabies | it seems like lower success rate means fewer GR or something? |
| 20:17.32 | foxlit | hm? |
| 20:19.27 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno |
| 20:19.58 | Mr_Rabies | there's some weirdness, i don't think it's masterplan anymore (though it did calculate GR differently than the client at some point) |
| 20:20.21 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's just the game doing some weird stuff with rewards or something now |
| 20:20.52 | foxlit | that sounds unlikely. |
| 20:21.34 | foxlit | GR reward is basically multiplied by (1 + 2 * #Scavengers in Party) |
| 20:22.09 | foxlit | In some contexts, MP weighs this by success chance to indicate average rewards. |
| 20:22.51 | Mr_Rabies | ah, that could be what i'm seeing or something, i dunno |
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| 20:23.21 | Mr_Rabies | it's not a big deal to me since GR cap is a daily occurance |
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| 20:26.23 | g0urra | did a battle.net agent update pop up for anyone else? |
| 20:26.37 | Simca | yeah |
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| 20:27.18 | Simca | was released about 1.5 hr ago |
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| 20:49.01 | Simca | several addon API functions crash the client |
| 20:49.05 | Simca | for PTR |
| 20:49.13 | Simca | not sure which ones, but almost all of my addons crash it |
| 20:50.17 | nevcairiel | crash or trigger an assertion? |
| 20:52.36 | Thunder_Child | It's asserting a crash. |
| 20:53.15 | Neffi | assertively crashes into Thunder_Child's house |
| 20:53.28 | foxlit | pun yourself, Thunder_Child. |
| 20:56.08 | Thunder_Child | Neffi: Good luck with that. |
| 20:56.24 | Neffi | thanks |
| 20:56.27 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: Hevens no, that was simply a clever use of words. |
| 20:56.32 | Simca | i think it's a crash but i only glanced at it |
| 20:57.12 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: less "clever" and more "entirely useless" |
| 20:57.27 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: That's me in a nutshell. |
| 20:57.44 | nevcairiel | the one error i'm getting right now looks like an assertion of some sort |
| 20:59.42 | kd3 | ugh, it was like driving in pea soup today. <1000ft visibility at times |
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| 21:00.01 | Simca | ah |
| 21:00.18 | Simca | any addon trying to load a PNG or TGA gets it |
| 21:00.32 | Simca | remove all graphic files from your addons to avoid it |
| 21:00.39 | nevcairiel | kd3: 1000 ft is bad visibility for you? do you ever get weather? :p |
| 21:00.54 | zenzelezz | addons with graphical elements is so 2014 |
| 21:01.18 | kd3 | rain/storms, sure. fog? eh, it was <500ft at times. couldn't see lights until I was right up on them |
| 21:01.38 | kd3 | people driving silver cars with their lights off didn't help much either |
| 21:01.50 | nevcairiel | are lights not mandatory in such conditions? |
| 21:02.00 | kd3 | they are, sure. just like turn signals |
| 21:03.20 | nevcairiel | in some european countries they even make cares where you cannot turn your lights off |
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| 21:03.30 | nevcairiel | because its always mandatory to have them on at all times |
| 21:04.55 | zenzelezz | there's some controversy in Norway about rear lights not being mandatorily lit at all times anymore, thanks to EU law (which, ironically, we are not a member of) |
| 21:05.01 | zenzelezz | I swear Norway is the best country at abiding to EU law |
| 21:06.13 | foxlit | hm, so the PTR install wants to download 28GB of data. |
| 21:06.32 | foxlit | shouldn't it be migrating live instead? |
| 21:06.34 | Mr_Rabies | uh |
| 21:06.42 | Mr_Rabies | mine didn't download anywhere near that amount |
| 21:06.52 | Mr_Rabies | considering i could login last night and i'm on 6 mbit |
| 21:07.00 | nevcairiel | maybe you still had an old ptr |
| 21:07.01 | Mr_Rabies | but i was running 6.0.2 or whatever |
| 21:07.07 | nevcairiel | but ptr usually is lazy about migrating live |
| 21:07.12 | Mr_Rabies | but it could be the migration is a bit broken now |
| 21:07.13 | kd3 | if you had an old ptr, it was just a 2 GB download to get to 6.1 |
| 21:07.33 | Mr_Rabies | you could migrate manually |
| 21:07.40 | Mr_Rabies | and hope for the best |
| 21:08.13 | nevcairiel | man githubs commit diff view is so utter unusable for those wow interface diffs |
| 21:08.31 | nevcairiel | since it insists on always loading the full commit and scrolling down to the file i want, instead of showing me just that file |
| 21:09.22 | Simca | http://wow.gamepedia.com/Patch_6.1.0/API_changes started it, for when people find things |
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| 21:12.09 | Jamash | Is the punic toast roman up? |
| 21:12.23 | kd3 | as of about an hour ago |
| 21:12.26 | Torhal | Was that an actual sentence? |
| 21:12.31 | Torhal | o.O |
| 21:12.34 | Jamash | oops, I mean punic toast roam |
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| 21:13.02 | Jamash | each word begins and ends with the same letter as PubliC TesT RealM, at least on the second try |
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| 21:13.11 | Mr_Rabies | is this like |
| 21:13.12 | Jamash | also I'm a very silly person |
| 21:13.16 | Mr_Rabies | nerd cockney rhyming |
| 21:13.20 | Torhal | I see. |
| 21:13.21 | Jamash | sure, why not |
| 21:14.38 | foxlit | mm, pause update, copy Data wholeale from live, resume update, 2GB left. |
| 21:14.41 | Ayrshire | I remember when CoH had actual romans on the test server. |
| 21:15.18 | kd3 | gah, why do template characters have such random hotbar layouts |
| 21:15.28 | Unkle | Drugs |
| 21:16.25 | Unkle | Or Masochism. take your pick. |
| 21:17.48 | Simca | ~framexml |
| 21:17.49 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml. ExportInterfaceFiles art in the console |
| 21:20.36 | MysticalOS | warrior templates have blank action bars |
| 21:21.37 | kd3 | mages get frostfire bolt, ice block, fire blast, blink, counterspell, polymorph, teleport: ironforge, ice block, and cone of cold |
| 21:22.19 | nevcairiel | MysticalOS: bar 1 is probably filled, which a warrior doesnt see :) |
| 21:22.27 | MysticalOS | yeah probably |
| 21:22.33 | MysticalOS | that was dumbest regression ever honestly |
| 21:22.42 | MysticalOS | i hate stance bars and loved all of MoP without them |
| 21:22.57 | MysticalOS | stance bars are buggy and annoying |
| 21:23.07 | nevcairiel | prot with glad really needs it though, or you need to start messing with macros a lot |
| 21:23.17 | MysticalOS | i don't know of any warrior that actually prefers em, cause we change stances often in combat and all we do is set both bars up to be identical |
| 21:23.31 | MysticalOS | actually my glad and prot bars also identical |
| 21:23.42 | MysticalOS | shield block becomes shield charge |
| 21:23.45 | MysticalOS | not two diff spells |
| 21:24.04 | nevcairiel | wtf happend to my ptr, not it wants to download 24gb |
| 21:24.08 | nevcairiel | and it worked a minute ago |
| 21:24.09 | nevcairiel | o.o |
| 21:25.03 | nevcairiel | i have minor changes in my bars, like shield absorb is out from a prominent hotkey and replaced with something for dps on that hotkey |
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| 21:26.32 | nevcairiel | anyway you can use a bar addon and disable it :d |
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| 21:27.32 | MysticalOS | does bar addon also fix the bug where you drop stance when you change glyphs or a talent? :) |
| 21:27.54 | MysticalOS | stance shit just worked in mop. been a buggy mess since 6.0. about as reliabe as tab targeting in 6.0 :) |
| 21:27.55 | nevcairiel | thats unrelated to the stance having a bar |
| 21:28.40 | Jamash | if you have Learning Aid installed on the ptr you can do "/la copybar 1" and then "/la pastebar 7" |
| 21:28.57 | Jamash | I'm working on making that more fully featured |
| 21:29.26 | nevcairiel | the default bars are super random anyway, so the usefulness is rather minimal :D |
| 21:29.29 | Jamash | handling stances and stuff |
| 21:29.56 | Jamash | do stances have fixed bar # assignments? |
| 21:30.00 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 21:31.15 | Jamash | cool, it shouldn't be difficult to put in bar nicknames then |
| 21:31.39 | zenzelezz | "This here is Steve" |
| 21:35.22 | Semlar | MysticalOS: i basically macro'd /use !trap launcher into my "learn talents" button, i imagine you could do the same with stances |
| 21:37.09 | Semlar | i should probably add aspect of the cheetah to that since i don't think they're on the same gcd |
| 21:38.46 | Semlar | although i guess if i swap multiple talents around that would be a problem |
| 21:41.34 | Semlar | it would just put the aspect on cooldown and then cancel it when i learn another talent |
| 21:42.33 | foxlit | globe now does 6.1; for example http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:a9a838187f9d857078d82724f26b4dce-reads points out that SLASH_PET_DISMISS1 is removed in 6.1. |
| 21:43.51 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 21:44.04 | Mr_Rabies | how do you dismiss pets in a macro now, then? wasn't it /petdismiss? |
| 21:44.11 | Mr_Rabies | or is that not the same thing at all |
| 21:44.41 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:48.13 | Mr_Rabies | kd3 gettin' snarky on the ptr forums :v |
| 21:48.53 | kd3 | me? snarky? perish the thought. >.> |
| 21:49.15 | Mr_Rabies | the ptr forum is particularly bad right now though holy hell |
| 21:49.47 | Mr_Rabies | it's like literal babies are the only ones that have found it and started threads |
| 21:52.11 | Semlar | to be fair it's a forum |
| 21:55.24 | Mr_Rabies | i mean they're like |
| 21:55.28 | Mr_Rabies | some kind of next level bad |
| 21:56.12 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/17566180/ |
| 21:56.18 | Mr_Rabies | like, there's two good non-stickied threads |
| 21:56.19 | Mr_Rabies | two |
| 21:56.29 | kd3 | that's par for the course |
| 21:57.02 | Mr_Rabies | and the bad ones are just |
| 21:57.03 | Mr_Rabies | wow |
| 21:57.49 | Mr_Rabies | it's like this in forum form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGbhJjXl9Rk |
| 21:58.20 | Semlar | you should try the arena forum |
| 21:58.27 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 21:58.32 | Mr_Rabies | i'm allergic to arena and arena players |
| 21:58.42 | Mr_Rabies | it's like 90% overlap with moba players |
| 21:58.47 | Mr_Rabies | which are just the worst |
| 21:59.27 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.41 | Mr_Rabies | i think my brain just fell out, Semlar |
| 22:00.45 | Mr_Rabies | send an ambulance |
| 22:00.56 | Semlar | i don't recommend attempting to actually read any of the posts |
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| 22:08.15 | Torhal | builds an IRC bot from the posts in that forum. |
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| 22:09.12 | Mr_Rabies | pretty sure that violates the terms of whatever operating system you're using, Torhal |
| 22:09.27 | Mr_Rabies | most of them have something in there about using them to manufacture weapons of mass destruction |
| 22:09.29 | Unkle | nukes Torhal from orbit. |
| 22:09.32 | Torhal | :O |
| 22:09.48 | Torhal | ducks into a refrigerator. |
| 22:09.51 | Torhal | :D |
| 22:10.04 | Semlar | foxlit: do you know if the highmaul missions stick around for like 2 weeks if you don't actually do them? |
| 22:10.10 | Unkle | So... Torhal has seen "crystal Skull" |
| 22:10.16 | Torhal | I have |
| 22:10.26 | Torhal | South Park got that shit right. |
| 22:10.44 | foxlit | Semlar: I think they do, but I've never waited the full two weeks for those. |
| 22:11.06 | Unkle | I've pretty much skipped South Park since the episode that introduced Mr. Hanky |
| 22:11.33 | Jamash | Duuuuuuuuuuuude https://www.origin.com/en-us/store/free-games/on-the-house SIM CITY 2000 SPECIAL EDITION IN THE HOUSE |
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| 22:11.38 | Torhal | So anything from 1997 on. |
| 22:11.47 | Unkle | Torhal: Pretty much. |
| 22:11.55 | Torhal | I think I've caught a total of 3 since then. |
| 22:11.56 | Unkle | Well, I did watch the movie. |
| 22:12.02 | Jamash | The movie was good |
| 22:12.03 | Semlar | foxlit: how long are you sure they'll stick around for? |
| 22:12.07 | Torhal | But I managed to see the Indiana Jones rape scene. |
| 22:13.42 | foxlit | a couple of days? You should experiment! :P |
| 22:14.06 | Semlar | >_> |
| 22:14.30 | Jamash | Oh hey, the PTR character copy button is back. I wonder if it actually works this time. |
| 22:14.32 | foxlit | it's probably just shy of two weeks. |
| 22:14.47 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/mission=321/highmaul-raid << you can also whine at wowhead if it isn't. |
| 22:14.49 | Simca | it's almost certainly 352 hours or whatever it says |
| 22:15.05 | Semlar | alright |
| 22:15.25 | Simca | if it isn't, it is a bug |
| 22:15.29 | Simca | on blizzard's end |
| 22:15.54 | Mr_Rabies | it doesn't right now, Jamash |
| 22:15.56 | Semlar | gotcha |
| 22:15.58 | Mr_Rabies | or didn't earlier, at least |
| 22:16.43 | Semlar | any idea if the cooldown is from when you first get the mission or when you complete it? i assume it's probably from when you get it |
| 22:17.22 | Jamash | Mr_Rabies: I'm shocked. And by shocked, I mean "not shocked." |
| 22:18.19 | Zurom | Question: can I use "type" as a variable name? Or is it reserved? |
| 22:18.21 | Jamash | so I watched all of Bokurano last night. |
| 22:18.26 | foxlit | Zurom: you can |
| 22:18.27 | Mr_Rabies | did you uninstall |
| 22:18.30 | Zurom | thanks! |
| 22:18.33 | Jamash | yes |
| 22:18.39 | Jamash | I think? |
| 22:18.43 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't seen it yet, i'm afraid of the cgi :< |
| 22:18.46 | foxlit | (it's a global variable name to begin with, not a keyword) |
| 22:19.03 | Jamash | I watched it on youtube so everything was kinda fuzzy anyway |
| 22:19.07 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 22:19.13 | Jamash | it might actually be less good on blu-ray |
| 22:19.16 | Mr_Rabies | i'm watching oban star racers right now, that's a good show |
| 22:19.20 | Mr_Rabies | also blurry |
| 22:19.23 | foxlit | Semlar: probably on receive. |
| 22:19.38 | Jamash | well I mean that if the primitive CGI was super ultra crisp high res it might look worse |
| 22:20.30 | Mr_Rabies | i don't understand how knights of sidonia was able to be at all successful as an anime |
| 22:20.43 | Mr_Rabies | it runs like i could get a better fps rendering it in realtime on my GTX 260 |
| 22:20.54 | Jamash | Mr_Rabies: Star Wars Pod Racer Arcade The Anime? |
| 22:20.54 | Mr_Rabies | and it's from last year |
| 22:21.00 | Mr_Rabies | sorta |
| 22:21.03 | Mr_Rabies | except french |
| 22:21.05 | Mr_Rabies | and awesome |
| 22:21.19 | Jamash | are you saying star wars pod racer arcade wasn't awesome? because them's fightin' words |
| 22:21.28 | Mr_Rabies | it was pretty good |
| 22:21.33 | Mr_Rabies | the arcade and dreamcast versions |
| 22:21.39 | Jamash | arguably the best thing to come out of episode I |
| 22:21.43 | Mr_Rabies | arcade being most superior, except it was like $5 and you could barely get through one race |
| 22:21.46 | Fisker | fights foxlit |
| 22:21.52 | Jamash | I mean, arguably the only good thing to come out of episode I |
| 22:22.29 | Semlar | i'm trying to track down which one of my terrible addons is tainting the interface in a way that causes random frame level issues and things like the spec frame's texture coordinates to not be applied |
| 22:22.44 | Semlar | it's not actually blocking any secure actions, but clearly something is being prevented at some point |
| 22:22.50 | Jamash | Well, there was, uh. There was... oh yeah there was the DVD extra of a Jawa sand crawler doing 400 klicks |
| 22:22.54 | Neffi | Semlar: try disabling all the ones you wrote and try again ;) |
| 22:23.03 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it is one of mine |
| 22:23.08 | Semlar | but i don't understand how |
| 22:23.18 | Neffi | well I guess that joke isn't so much of a joke as a tragedy |
| 22:23.19 | foxlit | well, it's easy |
| 22:23.20 | Neffi | :D |
| 22:23.29 | Jamash | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFmwRKwQv_Q |
| 22:23.33 | foxlit | just upload all of your addons over here, and we'll totally tell you why it happens. |
| 22:23.38 | Semlar | >_> |
| 22:23.48 | Jamash | can't you dial taintlog up to 11 on the PTR? |
| 22:23.54 | Unkle | >.< |
| 22:23.55 | nevcairiel | you can |
| 22:24.07 | Jamash | Warning: may produce gigabytes of logs |
| 22:24.10 | Semlar | i guess i could track down every global taint |
| 22:24.21 | Jamash | see you next year! |
| 22:24.34 | Jamash | I should actually do that for my addon |
| 22:24.38 | Semlar | i'll just get globe to do the heavy lifting |
| 22:25.07 | Semlar | one of my addons overwrites MovieFrame_PlayMovie and i wonder if that could be causing these strange issues |
| 22:25.25 | Neffi | why would you do that? |
| 22:25.32 | Semlar | to skip it neffi |
| 22:25.37 | Unkle | because cutscenes |
| 22:25.38 | Jamash | why would you do that |
| 22:25.54 | Semlar | to skip it? we've just been over this |
| 22:26.16 | Jamash | no, Neffi asked why you would overwrite MovieFrame_PlayMovie, I asked why you would skip movies |
| 22:26.47 | Semlar | specifically i have this http://pastebin.com/SdPXgLat |
| 22:27.25 | Jamash | I see they haven't made any adjustments to female worgen baby bump and triangle booty |
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| 22:27.42 | Semlar | i don't remember why i had to prehook the playmovie function but i assume i had a reason |
| 22:27.45 | Neffi | can't you post-hook and cancel, instead of pre-hooking and bailing? |
| 22:27.56 | Jamash | ^ |
| 22:28.08 | Semlar | i don't normally prehook things |
| 22:28.19 | Neffi | post-hook is always preferable. avoid the taint. it smells bad. |
| 22:28.33 | Semlar | I HAD A REASON NEFFI I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS |
| 22:28.37 | Neffi | <_< |
| 22:28.52 | Semlar | i'd leave comments but this is more exciting |
| 22:28.55 | foxlit | nothing interesting calls MovieFrame_PlayMovie anyway. |
| 22:29.07 | Neffi | maybe the reason was "i'm too lazy to figure out how to properly cancel this without side-effects" |
| 22:29.17 | Semlar | that doesn't sound like me |
| 22:29.23 | Neffi | that sounds exactly like you |
| 22:29.26 | Semlar | maybe |
| 22:29.45 | Neffi | don't worry. i do it too, sometimes |
| 22:30.05 | Semlar | that's the only blizzard function i overwrite in this so i don't know if it's even this addon |
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| 22:30.55 | Semlar | ah, let me rephrase that |
| 22:31.27 | Semlar | it's the only blizzard function i overwrite but other things i do might trigger blizzard to write variables which is going to be a huge pain to track down |
| 22:32.03 | Neffi | doesn't Globe tell you what framexml functions you use? |
| 22:32.20 | Jamash | What's Globe? |
| 22:32.28 | Neffi | foxlit's thing |
| 22:32.42 | Neffi | here, upload an addon .zip and see http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/# |
| 22:32.44 | Semlar | globe is love, globe is life |
| 22:32.53 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.13 | Jamash | you just want to steal my secrets |
| 22:33.19 | Semlar | correct |
| 22:33.24 | Jamash | cool, I don't have any |
| 22:34.31 | Neffi | so many unaccessed locals, Semlar |
| 22:34.38 | Semlar | so |
| 22:34.42 | Neffi | I didn't even know it counted that until I saw your link |
| 22:34.43 | Jamash | woops, I think I have an unlocalized global |
| 22:34.45 | Jamash | that's rad |
| 22:35.04 | Semlar | i could name them all _ but that would be confusing |
| 22:35.18 | Semlar | this is mostly for my benefit anyway |
| 22:35.32 | foxlit | it ignores things that start with _ |
| 22:35.49 | Neffi | that's an odd policy |
| 22:36.10 | Neffi | I'm sure I have variables beginning with _ in some places |
| 22:36.31 | Semlar | alright i do call a number of framexml functions |
| 22:36.35 | foxlit | so local _name, _link, _quality, _faction, texture = GetThingInfo(thingID) icon:SetTexture(texture) don't whine at you. |
| 22:37.56 | Semlar | oh right, i do force it to load the stupid reagent bank so i can use it |
| 22:38.31 | Semlar | if you try to deposit something to the reagent bank before it creates slots for it it throws a lua error |
| 22:38.40 | Neffi | oh, by the way, the lib on Curse "UTF8" leaks a global `c` in utf8.lua (lines 298-301). somebody who's not me should fix that |
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| 22:38.52 | nevcairiel | you found it, you keep it |
| 22:38.58 | Semlar | finders keepers |
| 22:39.03 | Neffi | <_< |
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| 22:44.06 | Fisker | Spammer Ressy |
| 23:12.29 | jaxdahl2 | how long does the copy character button take (when it is working) |
| 23:12.35 | jaxdahl2 | on the PTR |
| 23:12.57 | Mr_Rabies | should be almost instant |
| 23:13.51 | kd3 | if you do it in the client (which is the only way to do it since 5.4), < a few seconds |
| 23:14.11 | nevcairiel | its broken on the ptr in any case |
| 23:14.26 | nevcairiel | probably related to the ptr accounts still being mop |
| 23:16.16 | Mr_Rabies | it randomly broke during 6.0.2 and stayed that way |
| 23:16.24 | Mr_Rabies | before it went live |
| 23:16.37 | fewyn | http://comicbook.com/2015/01/11/beetlejuice-sequel-to-be-set-in-present-day-and-bring-back-micha/ |
| 23:16.39 | fewyn | what? |
| 23:16.44 | nevcairiel | always worked fine for me in beta when i tried to use it, but a blue post clearly stated its offline right now |
| 23:17.01 | nevcairiel | also, people are apparently liking the fixed male nelf run animation, i should go check |
| 23:17.09 | jaxdahl2 | and there's no lvl 100 char creation either? |
| 23:17.12 | jaxdahl2 | http://i.imgur.com/Upsj38g.jpg |
| 23:17.22 | kd3 | jax: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15698805207 |
| 23:17.24 | nevcairiel | read the info post |
| 23:17.28 | nevcairiel | all accounts are still mop |
| 23:17.31 | nevcairiel | no 100 in mop |
| 23:18.00 | jaxdahl2 | gotcha thanks |
| 23:18.17 | Fisker | They didn't notice all accounts were mop or what? |
| 23:19.42 | nevcairiel | if they didnt notice, they wouldnt put up a blue post saying they are, would they? |
| 23:19.49 | jaxdahl2 | Fisker, it just hasn't been updated to WoD - can't go through the dark portal for example |
| 23:20.52 | Mr_Rabies | it's kind of a boring animation but it's definitely less feminine than the one on live servers, nevcairiel |
| 23:20.54 | Fisker | nevcairiel yes after they put the servers up |
| 23:20.59 | Fisker | That doesn't qualify as "noticing" |
| 23:21.53 | nevcairiel | so they should've delayed bringing the servers online until they converted all the accounts, or what? :P |
| 23:22.40 | jaxdahl2 | HBAO+ setting is.. interesting |
| 23:22.43 | Fisker | If that's the excuse that they want to use, sure |
| 23:22.59 | nevcairiel | now we can at least test things |
| 23:23.14 | Fisker | However they obviously weren't aware before bringing it online |
| 23:23.25 | Mr_Rabies | maybe this is part of testing :p |
| 23:23.42 | Mr_Rabies | maybe they were testing flagging the ptr to a new expansion and it went horribly wrong |
| 23:24.08 | nevcairiel | fact remains that it apparently takes some time to convert the accounts, so even if they did notice before, it either would've delayed the servers coming up, or not changed anything at all... :d |
| 23:25.04 | Fisker | They don't have to wait until the ptr comes online before converting the accounts |
| 23:25.24 | Fisker | So they've had months to convert the accounts |
| 23:25.39 | jaxdahl2 | imgur.com/a/mXXbQ top is HBAO+ on, bottom is off |
| 23:25.45 | jaxdahl2 | wonder if i should be using newer drivers |
| 23:25.48 | Fisker | I would say first noticing now has delayed it by up to a couple of months |
| 23:28.35 | Mr_Rabies | realistically a couple days |
| 23:28.56 | Mr_Rabies | if it took months to convert the accounts they'd just restart the whole ptr process |
| 23:30.40 | Fisker | Well that's true, I obviously meant the accounts could've been converted at any time on the last couple of months it wouldn't make this ptr quicker by more then a few days but could make the action of converting the accounts quicker by a few months |
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| 23:31.16 | Mr_Rabies | your logic hurts my brain so i'm gonna go stare at simulationcraft |
| 23:31.43 | Fisker | There's nothing wrong with my logic sorry |
| 23:33.29 | Fisker | No need for logical fallacies when you've exhausted your other opportunities |
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| 23:38.54 | jaxdahl2 | hmm, my screenshots may actually be showing a bug somewhere |
| 23:42.43 | nevcairiel | jaxdahl2: HBAO+ works fine for me |
| 23:42.47 | nevcairiel | but i'm on the latest drivers |
| 23:43.31 | jaxdahl2 | yeah nevcairiel, i re-enabled hbao and it's not so dark now |
| 23:43.53 | jaxdahl2 | can't quite reproduce it. i'm using older drivers since the newer ones have problems with the oculus rift |
| 23:45.47 | Fisker | Well I'll give you my address and you can send the oculus rift there :) |
| 23:45.56 | Fisker | No more driver issues |
| 23:47.36 | Fisker | No? Darn |
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| 23:51.41 | Primer | heh, master plan has so many suggestions |
| 23:51.57 | Primer | I was about to submit another suggestion, but I think you have enough on your hands :) |
| 23:52.55 | Fisker | But what if it was better? |
