| 00:00.05 | karl_w_w | I'm taking that as a yes |
| 00:00.51 | znf | http://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/2ob6ut/wow_developer_ama/ |
| 00:00.55 | znf | ama is somewhat starting |
| 00:00.58 | Amarande | hrm ... http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2011/02/25/when-you-write-your-essays-in-programming-languages-comic/ wonder what Lua's line would be. :) |
| 00:01.09 | Wobin | somewhat? |
| 00:04.11 | jleclanche | this is SO MUCH FUN |
| 00:05.53 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: https://mediacru.sh/_pSO656CMsJr.png |
| 00:05.56 | jleclanche | "is it lethal?!" |
| 00:08.25 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 00:16.29 | jleclanche | ahaha |
| 00:16.45 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: snowchugger is completely wrecking him |
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| 00:19.09 | jleclanche | welp this is so lost |
| 00:23.19 | jleclanche | 4-3 |
| 00:23.34 | mikma | oh man those episodes were epic |
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| 00:26.56 | mikma | http://www.tvrage.com/DoctorWho_2005/episode_list/5 -> 5x12 and 5x13 |
| 00:30.10 | jleclanche | Mihau: what about them? |
| 00:33.27 | Semlar | A-KO: heroics aren't that easy, so it might not hurt to do normal first |
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| 00:38.12 | Semlar | well, if the majority of your raid is in 640 gear heroics are doable |
| 00:38.28 | Semlar | i know quite a lot of my guild wasn't ready |
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| 00:40.06 | Semlar | and they don't want to make a smaller group of people who are actually ready for heroics because that might upset some people |
| 00:40.49 | Simca | classic guild drama |
| 00:40.55 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 00:41.20 | mikma | only because semlar is in there |
| 00:41.25 | Semlar | v_v |
| 00:42.52 | Xuerian | > the Garrison is intended as a Warlords-only feature |
| 00:42.55 | Xuerian | :( |
| 00:43.11 | mikma | orly |
| 00:43.21 | Xuerian | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/2ob6ut/wow_developer_ama/cmlhm6p |
| 00:43.26 | Simca | that was answered at blizzcon 2013 |
| 00:43.34 | Xuerian | Well I wasn't at bc13. |
| 00:44.05 | mikma | that's bullshit, i'm not buying wod then |
| 00:44.15 | Xuerian | I didn't watch it either. Was there some explanation about introducing something everyone likes so much and canning it into one expansion to rot forever? |
| 00:44.51 | Simca | they compared it to the farm and said Mists had that, Warlords will have garrisons, and the next expansion will have something different |
| 00:45.11 | mikma | you need to eat a hat of bullshit with your char daily |
| 00:45.31 | mikma | or else it will die and it will never be restored |
| 00:45.34 | Xuerian | mikma, you're just a sour pumpkin lately |
| 00:45.50 | mikma | xuerian: because i think they ruined the game |
| 00:46.08 | Xuerian | rip |
| 00:46.18 | mikma | you need to do silver proving grounds with all specs you are planning on playing |
| 00:46.34 | Simca | it takes 5 minutes |
| 00:46.38 | mikma | got a druid and wanna tank/dps/healer? well that's 3x silver proving grounds for you bub |
| 00:46.45 | Neffi | I suspect having Semlar there makes his raids go so much more smoothly |
| 00:46.54 | Neffi | after all, he does enough dying for everyone |
| 00:47.01 | Semlar | D: |
| 00:47.02 | mikma | neffi: he just fd's and lets them die |
| 00:47.10 | mikma | oh, oh oh |
| 00:47.17 | mikma | that was quite harsh neffi |
| 00:47.20 | mikma | i like it |
| 00:47.23 | Neffi | :D |
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| 01:19.22 | foxlit | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/master-plan/files/18-0-14/ is now a thing; you could take this chance to poke me about cryptic error messages before it's actually approved. |
| 01:21.23 | Stanzilla | foxlit: approved |
| 01:23.10 | Simca | looks like exactly what nevcairiel wanted: http://i.imgur.com/vSL8HzY.png |
| 01:23.46 | Simca | would be almost completely pointless to do the mission with group 4, but it would succeed |
| 01:24.59 | foxlit | with any luck, that kills all of the birds. |
| 01:26.02 | Amarande | you know what's interesting I've realised, WoW combines one of the best RPG fonts ever with one of the for some reason most annoying |
| 01:27.56 | Ressy | geez.. Thats a lot of tickets foxlit |
| 01:28.55 | Simca | the addon has gotten over 1 million downloads... in 14 days |
| 01:32.07 | fewyn | it got linked on mmo-champion |
| 01:32.15 | fewyn | so not surprising |
| 01:32.23 | fewyn | i've also seen tons of people recommeneding it everywhere |
| 01:32.30 | Simca | yeah it's more than mmoc |
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| 01:32.47 | fewyn | i've also seen some blizzard devs tweet it |
| 01:32.52 | fewyn | over the last week or so |
| 01:34.52 | Xuerian | #cashmoney |
| 01:36.18 | tz | and here's me relatively happy with my 708 in the last month or so |
| 01:36.23 | tz | lol |
| 01:37.03 | tekkubby | foxlit: can I plunder your codes? |
| 01:37.26 | tekkubby | I love masterplan, but I find myself only really wanting a few little parts of it |
| 01:37.54 | tekkubby | either way, your UI is sooooo much nicer than the default one |
| 01:39.04 | foxlit | it mostly is the default one. |
| 01:40.15 | foxlit | you could try plundering codes, but I suspect that results in more unavoidable insanity than the start of yogg-saron's second phase. |
| 01:43.56 | foxlit | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/master-plan#c469 << I wonder what this is about. |
| 01:44.48 | znf | >We've been hotfixing them and simplifying their AI. Before, they would try to navigate to whatever capture point was active. Now, they'll just get pissed and head straight for the enemy base attacking any enemy they come in contact with. |
| 01:44.48 | znf | wat |
| 01:46.29 | Primer | I love masterplan and can't live without it |
| 01:48.21 | tz | only thing that annoys me with it is that GMM has buttons to preload the followers, whereas I need to click a menu etc. etc. |
| 01:48.49 | foxlit | it's hover+click from the mission list in 0.14. |
| 01:48.57 | tz | ahhh |
| 01:49.09 | foxlit | hover over the followers icon, click to select a group. |
| 01:49.47 | tz | let me restart the client, wasn't happening after an update+reloadui for some reason |
| 01:50.39 | foxlit | should basically be doing this: http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/14.jpg |
| 01:51.03 | tz | yep, nice :D |
| 01:51.20 | tekkubby | foxlit: so you're saying plunder at my own risk, if I survive it's all good |
| 01:51.30 | Amarande | nah, foxlit, neither of those hold a candle gaming-insanity wise to this ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haJ3ZCSWQW4 :) |
| 01:51.40 | Amarande | hell, Yogg25+0 is sane compared to that :) |
| 01:52.18 | tekkubby | also, yea it's very much mostly default ui, it plays well beside my own addon in fact, neither one seemed to break t'other |
| 01:52.22 | karl_w_w | flamecannon is the most broken card |
| 02:00.19 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: http://www.revk.uk/2014/12/blizzardcseuen-drop-ipv6-support.html |
| 02:01.29 | karl_w_w | dude seems like a dumbass |
| 02:01.52 | jleclanche | dude's the ceo/cto of the best UK ISP |
| 02:02.44 | karl_w_w | still seems like a dumbass |
| 02:02.55 | jleclanche | why? |
| 02:04.09 | karl_w_w | because he thinks not working = support dropped |
| 02:04.33 | karl_w_w | because he thinks default not enabled = support dropped |
| 02:06.07 | jleclanche | it hasnt worked for three months now |
| 02:06.13 | jleclanche | so essentially, support IS dropped |
| 02:09.04 | karl_w_w | no he's either a dumbass or being deliberately obtuse |
| 02:09.31 | foxlit | it's the intermix of uncertainty and WILDLY SPECULATIVE CONCLUSIONS. |
| 02:09.56 | karl_w_w | nobody in their right mind thinks defaulting to a connection method that most people can't use is a smart idea |
| 02:11.34 | ccox | have to agree with karl -- he sounds like a dumbass that is drawing conclusions with a serious lack of information |
| 02:14.28 | jleclanche | ccox: what lack of information? |
| 02:15.09 | ccox | what might Blizzard be having trouble with? Are they dropping ipv6, or just having problems with a router, or third party software/hardware? |
| 02:15.43 | ccox | he doesn't know WHY it isn't working, and based on a small amount of information, concludes that a single raindrop means the sky is falling |
| 02:16.59 | ccox | Based on his demonstrated stupidity, I'd say it's time for everyone to switch away from his ISP, because CEO/CTO is stupid (see - same lack of information, same sort of irrational exaggerated conclusion) |
| 02:21.10 | A-KO | wut? |
| 02:21.27 | A-KO | that person is an idiot |
| 02:22.12 | A-KO | He posts no evidence of his claims |
| 02:35.12 | znf | Woah |
| 02:35.12 | znf | We could potentially allow another dps in a dungeon and use scaling tech to accommodate both 5 and 6 player groups for them. |
| 02:35.14 | znf | :o |
| 02:36.13 | foxlit | LF14M UBRS, must have key. |
| 02:42.45 | relaxok | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/GameTooltip/IsOwned |
| 02:42.50 | relaxok | isnt that totally wrong? |
| 02:43.03 | relaxok | every usage i'm seeing of it passes a widget as an argument |
| 02:43.11 | relaxok | so seems like it's asking if it's owned by the widget |
| 02:45.24 | Amarande | interesting that ipv6 would be dropped, when it's still certainly the future of the internet |
| 02:45.48 | Amarande | it's not like we're going to be able to pull any more ipv4 addresses out of our proverbial butts no matter how hard we try |
| 02:50.15 | Neffi | relaxok: the docs are community-maintained. they may be outdated, or even wrong |
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| 02:58.15 | relaxok | i realize, i'm just confirming |
| 02:58.54 | karl_w_w | how the hell are people playing GvG cards on the ladder |
| 03:05.04 | jleclanche | foxlit: https://mediacru.sh/rLPgkId_GPVe.png |
| 03:07.29 | foxlit | jleclanche: and what version are you running? |
| 03:07.36 | jleclanche | foxlit: no idea, this isn't mine |
| 03:07.39 | Simca | karl_w_w: you can sometimes get cards as rewards instead of packs in arena |
| 03:07.48 | jleclanche | foxlit: was on trump's stream. he installed it yesterday or two days ago tho |
| 03:07.50 | Simca | maybe they got a GvG card as a result of an arena run |
| 03:08.13 | foxlit | ah. |
| 03:08.14 | foxlit | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/master-plan/tickets/66-garrison-missions-lua-line-727-attempt-to-compare-nil/ |
| 03:08.18 | jleclanche | livestream debug sessions yo |
| 03:08.26 | foxlit | 0.10; that's daaaays ago. |
| 03:08.35 | jleclanche | heh ok |
| 03:09.12 | karl_w_w | ah yes Simca |
| 03:10.34 | Simca | i don't know if they intended that though |
| 03:10.47 | fewyn | i don't see anyone ever really wanting to craft the "greater" crafted gems |
| 03:10.48 | Simca | seems unfair because somebody could get some awesome cards and wreck ranked with them |
| 03:10.49 | fewyn | 50 taladite? |
| 03:10.50 | fewyn | no thanks |
| 03:11.10 | foxlit | the leading 0 is a bit of a hint that things are somewhat unstable, but updates are somewhat more rapid than usual. 0.14 is probably okay. |
| 03:11.14 | Simca | fewyn: i keep enough around to do it but i've never seen a single person ask yet |
| 03:11.35 | fewyn | if taladite weren't bop i'd be okay with the 50 cost |
| 03:12.06 | foxlit | do enchanting/alchemy even have significant crafted stuff I should be aiming for? |
| 03:12.33 | fewyn | enchants and flasks? |
| 03:12.36 | fewyn | all professions |
| 03:12.39 | fewyn | are rather meh now |
| 03:12.54 | Simca | enchanting and alchemy are the only two crafting professions without BoP materials |
| 03:12.59 | fewyn | yeah |
| 03:13.26 | foxlit | basically, I don't get why I even have a skill bar; everything seems to work at 600. |
| 03:14.02 | nebula169 | foxlit: more mats with the daily cd the higher skill you are! |
| 03:16.20 | relaxok | https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/3HU6M969CQ8H1400201643805.jpg |
| 03:16.23 | relaxok | never saw this =o |
| 03:17.10 | foxlit | (would it kill them to make an alchemist stone that's actually worth anything as a trinket?) |
| 03:17.22 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: i think i still have the key, will you pay to reenable my account |
| 03:20.08 | Amarande | Wow, I guess Square Enix really doesn't want people to actually use authenticators. :| |
| 03:20.27 | Constie | I think the TBC one was good, at least for healers. |
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| 03:22.20 | Amarande | foxlit: and yeah, apparently they decided that professions have had their time in the sun it seems, judging by the approach WoD took to them :( |
| 03:22.31 | Amarande | want nice crafting? time for something like FFXIV, LOTRO, or SW:TOR |
| 03:22.56 | Simca | i swear you use this channel to exclusively advertise other mmos |
| 03:23.01 | nebula169 | pretty much |
| 03:23.20 | Amarande | nebula169, I swear you complain too much |
| 03:23.34 | nebula169 | i actually hardly ever complain, you're just annoying :D |
| 03:23.58 | Simca | foxlit: the vast majority of WoD stuff is available at skill level 1 even |
| 03:35.17 | Amarande | Simca: so what do you get from getting your professions to 675 (or 700, but that might just be fishing), besides an achievement? :( |
| 03:36.43 | Simca | if you have alchemy, blacksmithing, leatherworking, engineering, tailoring, inscription, or jewelcrafting |
| 03:37.08 | Simca | your daily cooldown produces between 4 and 10 of your profession's item |
| 03:37.14 | Simca | if you are 700 it is always 10 |
| 03:37.19 | Simca | if you are 1, it is always 4 |
| 03:37.40 | Simca | if you don't have one of those professions, there is nothing besides an achievement |
| 03:40.58 | Amarande | yeah, I actually rather miss the crafting of yore |
| 03:41.17 | Amarande | and really the crafting itself never felt like annoying tedium either |
| 03:41.31 | Amarande | gathering some of the mats ... well that's another story (Primal Air I'm looking at you :P) |
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| 03:42.46 | Constie | To my mind crafting has always been the least interactive and interesting part of WoW, and I'm happy to see it be more streamlined so it gets in the way less. |
| 03:43.30 | karl_w_w | streamlined |
| 03:43.44 | karl_w_w | well I suppose removing something does streamline it quite nicely |
| 03:44.12 | Simca | streamlines Semlar |
| 03:45.42 | Amarande | I think it helps vary the action somewhat, especially when you're leveling, but also for a time when you're level 90 and still haven't finished leveling your craft (which is usually the case in every expansion because it's usually nigh impossible to get some or other needed resource to finish the craft out before cap) |
| 03:45.58 | Amarande | I suppose hardcore raiders probably think of it as tedious busywork though |
| 03:46.01 | xyphoid | i don't think there's any reason to continue profession advancing in the same way it's been done before |
| 03:46.15 | xyphoid | like the only reason professions get 75 new points per xpack is because it's been done that way historically |
| 03:46.30 | Simca | (a trend they've broken in WoD) |
| 03:46.36 | Amarande | yeah, the tiered profession system kind of becomes unwieldy after a while |
| 03:47.25 | xyphoid | nothing intrinsicly wrong with mixing it up the way they have - i mean by the time cata came around just adding one new tier of stuff identical to the tier below but with renamed ore and nodes and gear names got pretty boring |
| 03:47.25 | karl_w_w | the only reason anyone (other than engineers) levels a profession now is to do some repetitive task to make some gold |
| 03:47.33 | Simca | the profession UI in particular is so 2004 |
| 03:47.43 | Simca | i'm surprised they haven't upgraded it yet |
| 03:47.56 | Amarande | LOTRO's suffers from the same problem (and how, especially since there's no tier overlap at all like there is in WoW, crafts are mainly useless without mastery, and to keep mastery up you have to master every tier, tripling the effective grind of each tier |
| 03:48.06 | Amarande | I usually use ATSW or Skillet anyway ... I don't notice the Blizz profession UI much |
| 03:48.08 | karl_w_w | maybe next expansion they will make professions useful |
| 03:48.38 | xyphoid | that comment about not continuing with garrisons after WoD makes me pretty happy since it means they're not committing to continuing everything forever - kill those sacred cows |
| 03:49.11 | Amarande | I'm still wondering what the next few expansions will find to do, given how increasingly little of Azeroth remains unused |
| 03:49.51 | Amarande | A reboot of Outland at some point makes sense since it's getting so long in the tooth (also it would be interesting to see if perhaps the events of WoD change history for the existing Outland) |
| 03:50.00 | Neffi | -*- Simca streamlines Semlar <- that's my job! |
| 03:50.02 | xyphoid | why *not* have a new xpack come with no new profession levels for the existing ones and six new types of spaceship crafting professions or whatever |
| 03:50.20 | Amarande | maybe a reboot of Northrend (likely, because at that point it's like the only continent that doesn't comply with the new streamlined chain based questing paradigm that started with Cata) |
| 03:50.53 | Amarande | and at some point we need the east coast of Eversong and Ghostlands :) |
| 03:51.27 | Amarande | but I can't think of all that much else (few portals left in Wyrmrest, unresolved Vashj'ir threads since the 4.1 raid was canceled, full monty Emerald Dream, that's about it) |
| 03:52.28 | Amarande | xyphoid: hey, the last time Azeroth had an encounter with a spaceship, it crashed into Azuremyst and ruined the environment in a way that probably made the Koch brothers turn green with envy :) |
| 03:53.51 | Amarande | more to the point, I'm trying to think of anything significant that we can't actually craft et |
| 03:53.52 | Amarande | *yet |
| 03:54.00 | Amarande | woodcraft is about the only thing I can think of |
| 03:54.24 | jleclanche | "Qian-Ying, Fortitude of Niuzao's Endurance of Niuzao effect" |
| 03:54.30 | jleclanche | took me a while to parse that |
| 03:56.50 | Stanzilla | same |
| 03:57.26 | Simca | blame chaud |
| 03:57.48 | Simca | i don't have his automatic linking tool |
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| 05:11.21 | Thunder_Child | hmmm, what's the point of level 100 bonus follower xp missions? |
| 05:11.54 | Iriel | Get them to purple |
| 05:12.04 | Iriel | Or have lower level followers tag along |
| 05:12.50 | Thunder_Child | Ah, didn't notice the xp bar for the 100 guys. |
| 05:28.26 | Iriel | I have to confess I didnât noticeit right away either |
| 05:30.22 | Iriel | Hm, I canât remember where Thundercall is |
| 05:31.22 | Iriel | Oh, itâs the warp stalker⦠I know. |
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| 05:39.40 | kullervo | hmh warcraftlogs doesn't show the amount of purified stagger as far as I can tell |
| 05:41.16 | Stanzilla | kullervo: https://twitter.com/KihraOfTemerity |
| 05:41.25 | Stanzilla | he responds pretty fast |
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| 07:39.11 | nevcairiel | jleclanche: the posts conclusion about being totally uninterested in fixing it is entirely wrong though, we had IPv6 problems from a german ISP, managed to reach out to a blizzard network tech, and he get it fixed |
| 07:39.39 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: im trying to get to a blizzard network tech for three months |
| 07:39.49 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: im wondering if they actually exist in EU. |
| 07:40.12 | jnwhiteh | morning! |
| 07:40.17 | jleclanche | jnwhiteh: hi! |
| 07:40.18 | nevcairiel | we contacted one in the US, and he fixed it for us :p |
| 07:40.24 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: yeah, exactly |
| 07:40.35 | nevcairiel | who cares if a EU guy exists as long as the US guys also fix it |
| 07:40.36 | jnwhiteh | jleclanche: hi friend! |
| 07:40.40 | jleclanche | <3 |
| 07:40.45 | Fisker | the combos these fucking players got |
| 07:40.55 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: i told him to try this stuff on US realms, see if we can get an US tech on the job |
| 07:41.21 | Fisker | Time to be cancer hunter |
| 07:43.08 | nevcairiel | jleclanche: maybe they just dont care about you, but when we told them that ipv6 didnt work at all from the biggest german isp, it got fixed :p |
| 07:43.25 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: we didnt try in the US yet |
| 07:43.32 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: but in EU it's pathetic |
| 07:43.43 | jleclanche | and i dont know how you're defending blizzard here |
| 07:43.58 | Fisker | oh god |
| 07:44.00 | Fisker | I got the sniper thingy |
| 07:44.01 | nevcairiel | cause they fixed my problem |
| 07:44.07 | Fisker | Time to be absolute jersk |
| 07:44.14 | jleclanche | US fixed your problem, which means most likely EU didnt give a shit |
| 07:44.34 | nevcairiel | blizzard fixed the problem, why do you insist on separating there |
| 07:44.48 | nevcairiel | its only going to cause you grief :p |
| 07:45.16 | jleclanche | i don't like giving a company a free pass like this when it doesn't care about anything outside the US |
| 07:46.12 | jleclanche | (also I'm quite fucking sick of dealing with GM templates the past two months) |
| 07:47.21 | Neffi | there's stuff outside the US? |
| 07:51.02 | Fisker | yeeeees |
| 07:53.44 | Fisker | lol |
| 07:54.39 | Fisker | company that arrogantly suggests people to implement their program correctly on the windows platform (While still trying to save user settings in program files) are looking for people |
| 07:54.51 | Fisker | I should maybe apply so I can tell them how to appropriately develop software |
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| 08:25.10 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUBiOOx0Pxw that is amazing :D |
| 08:29.46 | Fisker | I liked my 2 demolisher combo in this arena run |
| 08:30.12 | Neffi | old karl_w_w |
| 08:30.32 | karl_w_w | I don't remember you posting it Neffi! |
| 08:30.56 | Neffi | I think I posted it in here.. like 6 months ago ;) |
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| 09:38.04 | Fisker | oh wow jleclanche literal boar control in this game |
| 09:38.11 | Fisker | play boar, savage roar |
| 09:47.16 | karl_w_w | the druid motto? |
| 09:49.12 | karl_w_w | [17:48:48] Transfer Aborted: instance not found [17:49:02] Additional instances cannot be launched, please try again later. |
| 09:50.55 | karl_w_w | aww yes, finished my inn quests |
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| 10:11.51 | karl_w_w | it annoys me that you can't increase ilvl on followe weapon or armor above 655 |
| 10:12.42 | karl_w_w | so im trying to get this follower to 645 but she's on 643 and i have 4 weapon upgrades i cant use cos she's already maxed weapon |
| 10:15.42 | znf | Is there a way to get a shields absorb on yourself? |
| 10:15.44 | znf | I mean, the value |
| 10:15.53 | znf | I'm assuming I need to do tooltip scanning? |
| 10:16.04 | karl_w_w | pretty sure there's api |
| 10:16.55 | karl_w_w | maybe UnitAura |
| 10:17.34 | foxlit | http://wowpedia.org/API_UnitGetTotalAbsorbs |
| 10:17.38 | tz | yep, value2 has it |
| 10:18.01 | tz | or that |
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| 10:21.31 | Henk_ | Hi! |
| 10:21.58 | Henk_ | I was wondering about best practices, Should I use Animation groups for countdowns or just OnUpdate? |
| 10:26.42 | nebula169 | or use the timer api? |
| 10:27.27 | Henk_ | I dont know about any timer api |
| 10:27.37 | Henk_ | I want to track auras not just time |
| 10:29.24 | nebula169 | any constant small time updates, OnUpdate is usually fine |
| 10:30.41 | Henk_ | and wanting a main update loop is me woring about nothing? |
| 10:35.42 | Henk_ | Texture:SetMask() - This function is not yet documented |
| 10:35.57 | Henk_ | How do I find out how to use it? |
| 10:38.10 | karl_w_w | try to use it and see if the UI gives you usage instructions |
| 10:38.17 | karl_w_w | or see how it's used in framexml |
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| 10:47.02 | Henk_ | SetMask is the correct way to do a circle icon right? |
| 10:52.51 | Henk_ | the closets i found was http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Minimap/SetMaskTexture |
| 10:53.19 | Henk_ | so I tried http://a.pomf.se/xrnrjj.txt |
| 10:53.26 | Henk_ | that game me SetMask("maskName") |
| 10:53.41 | Henk_ | but I cant find any functions like CreateMask |
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| 11:22.30 | Henk_ | karl_w_w I cant seem to find wher MaskName would come from, and I find nothing in wowprogrammings frame xml browser |
| 11:23.09 | nevcairiel | did you try, you know, just giving the texture path as maskname? :d |
| 11:23.33 | Henk_ | yeah |
| 11:23.41 | Henk_ | then it said it needed a mask name |
| 11:24.19 | Henk_ | frame.texture:SetMask("Textures\\MinimapMask"); |
| 11:24.38 | Henk_ | oh great, now it worked |
| 11:24.45 | Henk_ | I wonder what I did diferently this time |
| 11:24.50 | Henk_ | maybe i forgot "" |
| 11:24.53 | nevcairiel | the setmask function is new in 6.0, so people used other methods before that to make round buttons |
| 11:25.21 | Henk_ | It blows my mind that there is no official documentation |
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| 11:30.59 | Henk_ | so, when creating masks, should they be at the resolution i want the result to be or higher? |
| 11:31.30 | Henk_ | Downsampling is good right? |
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| 12:00.08 | ALPHATT | hey there anyone here who knows how to use grid2? |
| 12:00.26 | ALPHATT | I have issues with absorbs |
| 12:03.22 | Mr_Rabies | oh man oq just spams group leaders with a pile of garbage now when people join your group in premade finder |
| 12:03.44 | Mr_Rabies | great, i can't escape the spectre of that terrible mess of an addon |
| 12:04.39 | Mr_Rabies | ALPHATT: it's kind of a down time at the moment, if no one answers immediately stick around for a bit if you want, the channel should pick up before too long |
| 12:05.31 | ALPHATT | Mr:Rabies: ty man, just having a pickle |
| 12:08.46 | Henk_ | Could someone help me, it has to do with blp, I've tried converting png to blp with transparency and created blp via the photoshop plugin with alpha channel bot give me the same result: the image i SetMask on dissapears |
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| 12:49.51 | relaxok | what's the deal with draggable frames, as soon as you drag them they clear their anchors? |
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| 12:51.22 | relaxok | actually i guess that wouldnt work since it has to have anchors? |
| 12:52.10 | relaxok | so how do they move then |
| 12:55.15 | mikma | they do have anchors |
| 12:55.26 | mikma | they just dock to different thing, usually like.... |
| 12:55.54 | mikma | local x,y = frame:GetLeft(), frame:GetTop() |
| 12:55.59 | relaxok | take the PlayerFrame |
| 12:56.07 | relaxok | its anchored to the topleft of UIPARENT |
| 12:56.13 | relaxok | so when you move it, what happens? |
| 12:56.15 | mikma | - frame:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", UIParent, "BOTTOMLEFT", x, y) |
| 12:56.44 | mikma | atleast what people do in addons, it's just what i pasted |
| 12:56.49 | mikma | GetLeft and GetTop |
| 12:56.57 | mikma | usually there's scale also included |
| 12:57.03 | Semlar | when you drag a frame it anchors it to the screen |
| 12:57.17 | relaxok | how so? |
| 12:57.39 | mikma | relaxok: http://hastebin.com/esukitavuc.pl that's how i've been doing it, copypaste from jnwhiteh's PerfectRaid |
| 12:58.05 | Semlar | if you feed nil as the relative frame in setpoint it anchors it relative to the window itself |
| 12:59.15 | mikma | tekkub has the latest wow ui code extracted in his github |
| 12:59.24 | mikma | i'm sure part of the answer is there |
| 12:59.59 | mikma | https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/FrameXML/PlayerFrame.lua#L758 |
| 13:01.08 | relaxok | yeah but thats vague to me |
| 13:01.21 | mikma | the benefit blizzard has that you actually can't disable the "addon" PlayerFrame.lua so it always remembers the position you drag it into |
| 13:01.56 | mikma | in addons we have the problem that if you don't save the position to savedvariables, the position you've dragged it into is lost if you disable the addon and re-enable it again |
| 13:02.10 | relaxok | Semlar: so it clears anchors then anchors it to UIParent (the screen, whatever) with an offset of the position of the cursor or something> |
| 13:03.06 | mikma | i think the magic is happening in StopMovingOrSizing() |
| 13:03.44 | relaxok | mikma: but even while you're dragging it's changing position |
| 13:03.58 | Semlar | it anchors it to the screen |
| 13:04.11 | mikma | yeah but i think that when yhe dragging is stopped it saves the position |
| 13:04.12 | Semlar | just call GetPoint() on the frame |
| 13:04.24 | Semlar | you can see what it's anchored to |
| 13:08.00 | mikma | does wow give you an event when a npc becomes attackable? |
| 13:08.18 | Semlar | if you have it targeted |
| 13:08.22 | mikma | yeah |
| 13:08.31 | Semlar | its flags should change, i'm not sure about anything else |
| 13:08.53 | mikma | but does it fire an event? that's the question |
| 13:09.06 | Semlar | UNIT_FLAGS |
| 13:09.16 | mikma | because i don't wanna keep OnUpdate running just to check if the unit is attackable |
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| 13:13.35 | relaxok | on a similar note, how does target of target get updated? |
| 13:13.40 | relaxok | the unit it uses |
| 13:14.25 | karl_w_w | why does twitch irc connect so insanely quickly compared to any other network? |
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| 13:16.38 | mikma | karl_w_w: other networks are picky about their users |
| 13:21.48 | karl_w_w | makes sense |
| 13:22.34 | mikma | karl_w_w: it's really true, other networks actually inspect the connecters and see if they can be connected |
| 13:23.40 | mikma | i'm pretty darn sure that twitch's irc doesn't inspect the users that much, more the merrier |
| 13:24.00 | mikma | but that will also result a problem if someone has had it and decides to botnet the fuck out of the network |
| 13:25.22 | mikma | semlar: this navi is sooooo gooooood. release it or i will release the kraken |
| 13:25.33 | Semlar | :O |
| 13:26.07 | mikma | wife had a shortcut and couldn't remember where dragonblight is |
| 13:26.21 | Semlar | i need to cut down on extraneous results |
| 13:26.28 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.29 | Semlar | and add in more POIs |
| 13:26.33 | Semlar | like instance entrances |
| 13:26.43 | karl_w_w | im pretty sure that the hearthstone expansion is fucked |
| 13:27.02 | karl_w_w | this is my third arena run and it is simply not offering me enough high cost cards |
| 13:27.08 | mikma | semlar: uh oh. now that's actually a hot idea |
| 13:27.22 | karl_w_w | this time i deliberately picked the highest cost right from the start and theres still not enough |
| 13:27.28 | Semlar | the problem is i don't think the instance entrances are all actually in the dbc files |
| 13:27.39 | Semlar | so might have to be entered manually |
| 13:27.47 | mikma | semlar: but release a beta version of this already and when you got the time, do the release version with all that stuff added. people might also be interested of helping you out with.. something |
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| 13:28.24 | Semlar | most of the actual code for the addon is the part that's generating the area coordinates |
| 13:28.31 | Semlar | the rest is just displaying it |
| 13:32.02 | Semlar | has anyone here killed the final boss in highmaul |
| 13:33.19 | Semlar | znf! |
| 13:33.27 | znf | Me? |
| 13:33.28 | znf | what? |
| 13:33.31 | znf | no, we haven't |
| 13:33.34 | Semlar | aww |
| 13:33.36 | znf | we wiped for it for about 2 hours :D |
| 13:33.42 | znf | on it* |
| 13:33.47 | Semlar | we're having issues with the pink phase |
| 13:34.01 | Semlar | people are taking a ton of damage |
| 13:34.09 | znf | we're having issues with OH MY GOD HOW DID YOU BLOW UP A MINE AGAIN? CAN YOU AT LEAST MISS _ONE_?! |
| 13:34.20 | Semlar | okay well that could also be part of the problem |
| 13:34.31 | Semlar | but i don't think people are walking into that many mines |
| 13:34.49 | znf | lucky you :D |
| 13:35.16 | Semlar | we got him to about 37% but we didn't have that much time to work on him |
| 13:35.30 | Semlar | there was only about an hour left in raid when we got there |
| 13:36.53 | Semlar | it looks like we got 7 pulls in |
| 13:37.07 | znf | oh, we did it as an off-day raid |
| 13:37.13 | znf | on normal :D |
| 13:37.22 | znf | we do hc on main days |
| 13:37.40 | Semlar | yeah i'm not sure most of the group is ready for heroic |
| 13:37.48 | Semlar | so we're on babby mode |
| 13:37.56 | znf | we've killed the 1st boss on HC, only :D |
| 13:38.01 | znf | Butcher be hard |
| 13:38.09 | Semlar | butcher seems to really just be a gear check |
| 13:38.10 | mikma | what's that frame called what shows "you won: this" |
| 13:38.48 | znf | BonusLootRollFrame? |
| 13:38.49 | Semlar | we killed the first boss on heroic but i don't think we actually have enough dps to down the butcher |
| 13:39.00 | znf | we kind of do, we actually failed on the healing mostly :-/ |
| 13:39.07 | Semlar | it takes a ton of healing |
| 13:39.30 | Semlar | we got him to about 15% i think |
| 13:39.34 | Semlar | but he enraged |
| 13:39.45 | znf | we were about ~10s behind :-/ |
| 13:39.53 | znf | because people kept dying, so lost a lot of DPS |
| 13:40.00 | znf | but we only had one day so far |
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| 13:40.22 | Semlar | we only tried it one day but we're pretty sure we don't have the gear yet |
| 13:40.48 | Semlar | the average dps needs to be something like 20k |
| 13:40.52 | Constie | We could maybe possibly have the DPS if everyone played optimally, but ehhhhhh let's just steamroll it on normal instead. |
| 13:40.54 | Semlar | and most of the raid isn't meeting that |
| 13:41.48 | mikma | znf: AlertFrame :) |
| 13:41.54 | znf | my bad! :D |
| 13:44.45 | Henk_ | hey, Im having a problem with Masking Textures\\MinimapMask works with Texture:SetMask() but none of the files I make works |
| 13:45.20 | Henk_ | " is circular; a texture image consisting of an all-white square will result in a square minimap." from Minimap:SetMaskTexture() |
| 13:46.16 | Henk_ | This is how my file looks http://i.imgur.com/1IQwht6.png and I use the blp plugin to save it |
| 13:46.41 | nevcairiel | maybe the blp thing is broken, did you try tga textures |
| 13:47.00 | Henk_ | no i thought wow only took blp |
| 13:47.04 | Henk_ | ill try that thanks |
| 13:47.27 | mikma | henk_: they need to be 256x256 or 512x512 images also |
| 13:47.40 | Henk_ | its 64x64 |
| 13:47.45 | mikma | it's good also |
| 13:51.05 | Henk_ | didnt work |
| 13:53.19 | Henk_ | http://i.imgur.com/AmKcwQE.png is this correct? |
| 13:53.26 | mikma | paste the code in hastebin.com or somewhere |
| 13:53.48 | Henk_ | http://i.imgur.com/GFXVcda.png |
| 13:53.50 | Henk_ | ok |
| 13:54.24 | Henk_ | http://a.pomf.se/fvhprt.txt |
| 13:54.41 | mikma | also, if you add a texture to wow, make sure the path you load is correct, and restart the game in order to load the texture |
| 13:54.52 | Henk_ | yes have done that |
| 13:54.53 | mikma | also, use full filename |
| 13:54.56 | mikma | maskTga.tga |
| 13:55.16 | mikma | i'm not also sure what's that var dir you are using is |
| 13:55.34 | Henk_ | local dir = "Interface\\Addons\\" .. addonName; I use it for my fonts aswell they work |
| 13:56.01 | Henk_ | adding .tga didnt help |
| 13:56.19 | mikma | all you see is a green box? |
| 13:56.27 | Henk_ | I see nothing |
| 13:56.36 | Henk_ | Its like the mask is all black |
| 13:57.01 | mikma | Minimap:SetMaskTexture("filename") |
| 13:57.12 | Henk_ | this is how MinimapMask looks like http://i.imgur.com/hOEUvmP.png |
| 13:57.21 | Henk_ | It doesnt remove enough |
| 13:57.30 | Henk_ | so I want to make my own with fade aswell |
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| 13:58.32 | mikma | so this is not minimap then. it's just a mask texture for something |
| 13:58.39 | Henk_ | yes |
| 13:58.58 | Henk_ | I think its pretey new post 6.0 |
| 13:59.26 | mikma | have you tried frame.texture:SetTexture(dir .. "\\media\maskTga.tga") |
| 14:00.02 | Henk_ | http://i.imgur.com/u12iGI7.png |
| 14:00.23 | mikma | atleast the texture is loading then :) |
| 14:00.42 | Henk_ | yeah :) |
| 14:00.57 | Henk_ | alpha layer working aswell http://i.imgur.com/38ddDwM.png |
| 14:01.11 | mikma | yeah, the problem is that SetMask is not yet documented |
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| 14:01.33 | nevcairiel | maybe you should just use the way people have been using for years for masking a button, and not the new undocumented, possibly broken, way :p |
| 14:01.53 | Henk_ | Yeah this seemed easier, guess not :P |
| 14:02.15 | mikma | it might be easier, but it's not documented :D |
| 14:02.34 | Henk_ | the thing is, MinimapMask is working |
| 14:02.51 | Henk_ | I would like to open it in photoshop but I dont have it |
| 14:03.07 | mikma | are those buttons or others? |
| 14:03.15 | Henk_ | Frames with textures |
| 14:03.52 | mikma | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Texture/SetBlendMode |
| 14:04.09 | nevcairiel | thats the old way |
| 14:05.56 | Henk_ | so, i have two textures? overlay and one with add blend mode? |
| 14:07.46 | mitch0 | anyone watching the orion launch? |
| 14:08.06 | mitch0 | what exactly is Perigee and Apogee Alt. ? (and what unit is that (nm)) |
| 14:09.12 | mikma | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Perigee+and+Apogee+Alt |
| 14:11.05 | mitch0 | and nm is nautical miles or what? |
| 14:11.24 | mitch0 | also, how can the apogee alt be negative? |
| 14:12.04 | mikma | WHY YOU ASK US, WE ARE NOT NASA ENGINEERS! |
| 14:12.10 | mikma | hehe, sorry |
| 14:12.12 | mitch0 | :( |
| 14:13.07 | Henk_ | how2 round bottons |
| 14:14.53 | mikma | change some of the textures around :D |
| 14:15.56 | Henk_ | http://i.imgur.com/M1TofRu.png |
| 14:16.12 | Henk_ | makes a fart noise, probably from the brain. |
| 14:21.05 | Henk_ | I've decided that I really like square icons. |
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| 14:31.28 | Tomaz^ | Quick question: Ability to alpha minimap icons, possible? |
| 14:31.52 | Tomaz^ | I'm setting alpha on MinimapCluster but it leaves the tracking icons untouched |
| 14:33.19 | mikma | sounds like it's not in the MinimapCluster then |
| 14:33.43 | Tomaz^ | Weird thing is, if I Hide() it, they disappear |
| 14:34.01 | Tomaz^ | So I'm having difficulties finding out where they are then |
| 14:34.29 | mikma | use /dump GetMouseFocus() when you mouseover the tracking |
| 14:35.40 | Tomaz^ | just gives me userdata Minimap[0] |
| 14:35.52 | Tomaz^ | Regardless if I hover over the tracking icons or not |
| 14:37.43 | Hazal | I have an addon which pulses the alpha of certain minimap icons by switching the texture of them. |
| 14:38.10 | mikma | tomaz^: /script MiniMapTrackingButton:SetAlpha(0.5) |
| 14:38.51 | Tomaz^ | yeah, thats the actual tracking button, the options button, not the actual icons on the minimap |
| 14:39.30 | mikma | then you need to have a look at some other addon that messes around with the icons |
| 14:39.38 | mikma | i'm not entirely sure can they be modified |
| 14:39.51 | Tomaz^ | Hmm |
| 14:40.22 | Tomaz^ | Hazal: name of that addon? |
| 14:40.39 | mikma | Zygor, lol |
| 14:40.52 | Hazal | Well it's Zygor's guide but what it basically does is switching the texture by using Minimap:SetBlipTexture("filename") |
| 14:41.17 | Hazal | And then having two texture files it switches between |
| 14:41.21 | Tomaz^ | Ah, yeah, that wont help |
| 14:41.50 | Hazal | Well it could help, you could just make your own alpha'ed texture file of the blip textures |
| 14:43.21 | Tomaz^ | Nah, I needed them to fade, if Iwanted them gone I'd jsut Hide() the entire minimap, but thanks anyway |
| 14:43.22 | Hazal | The default texture file is in Interface/MINIMAP/ObjectIcons.blp (from framexmls art) |
| 14:43.55 | Hazal | I sadly do not think you can manipulate the icons like that Tomaz |
| 14:44.43 | Tomaz^ | No it seems I can't |
| 14:44.56 | Tomaz^ | That's, unfortunate |
| 14:45.16 | Tomaz^ | It was the last piece of the puzzle to make the entire UI fade out nicely |
| 14:50.13 | mikma | nicely... |
| 14:50.19 | mikma | what about when you enter combat |
| 14:51.41 | Tomaz^ | What about it? |
| 14:52.12 | mikma | what happens |
| 14:52.45 | Tomaz^ | Nothing? |
| 14:53.49 | mikma | ok then |
| 14:54.33 | Tomaz^ | Oh well, doing a Hide on the minimap then while the rest of the UI fades out nicely |
| 14:55.01 | Tomaz^ | Not optimal, and kinda goes against hte whole idea of making the UI fade instead of just hiding it |
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| 15:11.29 | Arrowmaster | hmm recruiter is trying to get me to commit to a 2 month contract for a job below my usual pay grade while im waiting to hear back on other positions |
| 15:12.02 | Arrowmaster | ive been out of fulltime work for a while so i hate to turn it down but i really dont want to commit to this |
| 15:14.55 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:41.30 | fewyn | karl_w_w: you got gold but it doesn't show in the logs i think |
| 15:41.44 | karl_w_w | interesting |
| 15:42.01 | fewyn | i should double check that on my next crate |
| 15:43.49 | znf | Anyone who got an invasion this week and completed it on gold/silver, whatever? |
| 15:43.52 | znf | can you check /run print(IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(37310)) ? |
| 15:48.33 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/UB3NTOY.png |
| 15:48.35 | znf | Bullshit. |
| 15:49.27 | nevcairiel | sounds like you should clean up your roster |
| 15:50.29 | znf | Sounds like I need some retraining certificates |
| 15:50.30 | nevcairiel | i have at least 3 on every counter, at most 5 |
| 15:51.48 | nevcairiel | i didnt dare to use a single one of those yet |
| 15:51.52 | nevcairiel | and i have like 4 |
| 15:52.03 | nevcairiel | ok 3 |
| 15:52.46 | znf | I would liek to use it on Blook, for example... |
| 15:52.56 | znf | But I don't want to lose that awesome trait of his |
| 15:53.31 | nevcairiel | blook always comes with timed battle, thats part of his deal! |
| 15:54.19 | fewyn | yep big crates give gold karl_w_w |
| 15:54.30 | fewyn | i paid attention this time |
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| 16:14.09 | pompy | http://twitter.com/fingle/status/540900811149438976 |
| 16:14.12 | pompy | GCI >< |
| 16:21.52 | Simca | Blook is the bestest ever |
| 16:21.59 | Simca | don't you dare be mean to him |
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| 16:29.00 | mikma | so, any opinions about the lvl90 character boost? some folks are saying you might wanna play to level 60 and get professions and then use the boost |
| 16:32.54 | karl_w_w | im not using mine any time soon, I already have a level 90 I'm not planning on levelling yet |
| 16:33.35 | nevcairiel | mikma: if you want a DK that might be an ok thing to do, but for all other classes .. unless you enjoy leveling.. but leveling professions is not that terrible anymore |
| 16:34.09 | karl_w_w | how does the professions thing work? |
| 16:38.23 | mikma | nevcairiel: others are saying that now also. have they done something to easy up the professionleveling? |
| 16:38.50 | Fisker | I believe basically all professions can use the skill-up to 700 wod skill at any level now |
| 16:40.52 | Simca | basically all WoD recipes require skill 1 |
| 16:41.01 | Simca | as well |
| 16:48.56 | fewyn | rip stables, i got my armored frostwolf i can now destroy you |
| 16:51.07 | mikma | simca: atleast engineering patterns require Gearspring Parts and you can get like 15x / day if you are lucky |
| 16:51.33 | nevcairiel | they changed the professions recently to have level-up recipes without the bop reagents |
| 16:51.51 | Simca | yeah |
| 16:52.04 | Simca | but not engineering. |
| 16:52.15 | mikma | exactly. engineering is still a bitch to level |
| 16:52.32 | Dagmar | I think I just finished my last two mount quests... if I had the option to *burn* the stables instead of merely replacing it, I'd take it |
| 16:53.08 | mikma | haha |
| 16:53.23 | mikma | and there's the reason why i will never pick stables |
| 16:53.25 | nevcairiel | I kinda like the stable perks, not being dazed and running faster, its an OK building, but there just are better ones right now |
| 16:54.01 | nevcairiel | i might build it again later in the expansion |
| 16:58.13 | mikma | dagmar: you don't get to keep the mounts if you remove the stables? |
| 16:59.34 | Dagmar | You do. |
| 16:59.39 | Dagmar | I don't even want the mounts. |
| 16:59.57 | Dagmar | If I'd known it was going to involve doing six rather uninspired assassination quests each day, I wouldn't have bothered. |
| 17:00.30 | nevcairiel | in the beginning of the expansion, it was a decent source of garrision resources |
| 17:00.31 | Dagmar | I figured I'd go ahead and build the stable to get the mounts and then replace it with the Dwarven Bunker |
| 17:01.04 | mikma | i choose the bunker over stables |
| 17:02.07 | Dagmar | Murdering vignettes and pillaging 200+ treasures I found to be less irksome by an order of magnitude |
| 17:02.11 | nevcairiel | I did just that, finished mount training, replaced with bunker, except that I was done with mount training last week already |
| 17:02.38 | Dagmar | Even though hunting vignettes/treasures is small payouts, they're at least interesting |
| 17:04.18 | karl_w_w | why can't i deactive this follower |
| 17:04.22 | karl_w_w | who is doing nothing |
| 17:04.39 | Dagmar | Time to tell him about the rabbits. |
| 17:04.41 | karl_w_w | oh cos u cant have less than the cap |
| 17:04.58 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: That makes more sense |
| 17:06.55 | pompy | http://twitter.com/MaryLouWhoBlog/status/540913860602236930 lol |
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| 17:44.08 | Henk_ | is there any nice effects browser? |
| 17:54.07 | mikma | http://gamejolt.com/games/shooter/super-wolfenstein-hd-now-with-realistic-physics/39194/ |
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| 18:31.28 | Silvanas | ~lua > 0xFFFFFFFFFF |
| 18:31.40 | Silvanas | it never works when i use it :D |
| 18:32.38 | mikma | lua> print("test") |
| 18:32.44 | mikma | hmm |
| 18:32.53 | Arrowmaster | its not here |
| 18:33.00 | mikma | neither of them are |
| 18:33.12 | Arrowmaster | used to be 3 at one point |
| 18:33.53 | Silvanas | it got bored of us :/ |
| 18:35.10 | Silvanas | it seems my issue isnt a lua thing, ita blizua |
| 18:36.10 | mikma | it always is |
| 18:36.42 | karl_w_w | mikma, why would you want to change the graphics of wolfenstein |
| 18:36.56 | mikma | karl_w_w: change? |
| 18:37.24 | mikma | i have a slendid idea. try doing the same they did with the original textures |
| 18:37.40 | Silvanas | blizua 0xFFFFFFFF seems to be the max value. while in normal lua it goes WAY higher with scientific notification |
| 18:39.46 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/lep-garr.jpg |
| 18:39.53 | foxlit | YOUR NEW VERSION SUCKS, INTERNET. |
| 18:40.29 | Lopeppeppy_ | Yes, the internet sucks today. |
| 18:40.52 | mikma | foxlit: you forgot to add tekkub's Mission Unpossible in |
| 18:41.19 | foxlit | I just hit buttons at random on curse. |
| 18:42.02 | mikma | there's your problem |
| 18:42.14 | foxlit | no, but, see, this explains things. |
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| 19:10.48 | Shirik | https://austin.craigslist.org/atq/4786268922.html |
| 19:18.59 | karl_w_w | you buying it Shirik? :P |
| 19:23.47 | Elkano | foxlit, did you see my query earlier today? |
| 19:25.16 | Lopeppeppy_ | I wish that my DNS were not being so hateful today. Ugh. |
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| 19:43.18 | karl_w_w | since when did wow have mail dresses? |
| 19:43.22 | Simca | Mission Unpossible; that's a good name |
| 19:43.29 | Simca | since shaman |
| 19:44.24 | Silvanas | blizzard lua >.< terriable with large numbers |
| 19:44.53 | Silvanas | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.53 | Silvanas | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.53 | Silvanas | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.28 | Silvanas | so it can store the value but when you try to convert it back to hex it crashed /o\ |
| 20:02.55 | mikma | simca: well tekkubby already has reserved it :D |
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| 20:17.21 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/bX8wYxj |
| 20:24.17 | plaw | some days I lament the loss of subeditors and language skills, others not so much |
| 20:29.45 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/ucY4qJM |
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| 20:55.38 | jleclanche | "You did have a fancy turn, but your health is zero." |
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| 21:12.26 | tlund | 1x [ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED] AddOn 'Overachiever' tried to call the protected function 'CompactRaidGroup1:unusedFunc()' <- something is tainting something, Overachiever is probably not really involved. What is the procedure to track down what it really is? |
| 21:19.23 | Neffi | Semlar: ping |
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| 21:34.27 | mikma | tlund: see the end of the error message |
| 21:37.55 | tlund | mikma: http://pastebin.com/ekkVuQnf |
| 21:38.00 | tlund | mikma: it doesn't say anything :( |
| 21:42.42 | fewyn | i wish there was an icon or something that show which stats on an item are tertiary |
| 21:42.59 | fewyn | i always forget what stats they are |
| 21:44.19 | mikma | requires quite alot of tooltip scanning and so on |
| 21:44.23 | Primer | fuck, ashran is unplayable in wine |
| 21:44.27 | fewyn | i know |
| 21:44.28 | Primer | "script ran too long" |
| 21:44.30 | Primer | over and over |
| 21:44.34 | fewyn | just saying it would be nice |
| 21:45.56 | Primer | I'm not even grouped...shit's 1 FPS |
| 21:46.08 | Primer | Is there something one can do to make the game "do less"? |
| 21:46.20 | Primer | Like, disregard the nearby combat log or something? |
| 21:47.30 | Primer | thing is, no CPU core is pegged |
| 21:47.43 | Primer | Not sure where the bottleneck is (other than wine itself) |
| 21:48.09 | mikma | fewyn: CharacterStatsPaneCategory3Stat1.Label:SetText("Testing 1 2 3") .. lel |
| 21:48.16 | zenzelezz | probably completely unrelated, but I once had a similar problem in another game. Solved itself if I minimized the game and then restored it |
| 22:06.55 | Primer | FPS goes into the shitter as soon as I enter combat |
| 22:08.57 | tlund | can someone point me to an "advanced" example addon that shows how correctly create a local namespace, import local copies of global functions and avoind tainting stuff? |
| 22:25.38 | Xuerian | local name, ns = ... local table_insert = table.insert local function GetItemInfo() end |
| 22:25.45 | Xuerian | Not much advanced about it |
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| 22:27.00 | Xuerian | Most common practice is to make sure everything is local except necessary globals (like slash commands) and your primary addon table (named for your addon). This still isn't your "advanced example", but eh |
| 22:27.56 | Silvanas | also if yo uwant to go advanced, each addon file shares a private table, anything in it is private |
| 22:28.29 | Silvanas | i start my addon filles with: local _P = select(2, ...) |
| 22:28.46 | Silvanas | then _P is my private addon table where i share object between files |
| 22:29.14 | Xuerian | Select also works, that was the name, ns = ... I suggested. Either way, ... is a list of values, the first of which is the current addon name and the second is a shared table |
| 22:29.53 | Xuerian | And since, unless I'm terribly mistaken, "namespaces" in Lua are in this case just tables, that's all there is to it |
| 22:29.54 | tlund | I do stuff like: AddonName = {}; AddonName.frame = CreateFrame(blah); AddonName.frame:Show() |
| 22:30.37 | Xuerian | I would suggest working with most things locally. local frame = cf(), cf:Show(), AddonName.frame = frame |
| 22:30.43 | Silvanas | as far as i know frames always have a global variable named after the frame |
| 22:30.57 | nevcairiel | if your frame has a name, that is |
| 22:31.24 | Silvanas | is it posable to create frame without names ? |
| 22:31.40 | Xuerian | CreateFrame(nil, ...) |
| 22:31.48 | nevcairiel | the first argument is the frame type |
| 22:31.52 | nevcairiel | the second is the name |
| 22:31.54 | Silvanas | oke though it was a required parameter :D |
| 22:31.59 | Xuerian | ... right |
| 22:32.04 | tlund | Xuerian: if I do "local function OnEvent", what is the correct way to register it to my frame? just AddonName.frame::SetScript("OnEvent", OnEvent)? |
| 22:32.25 | tlund | s/::/:/ |
| 22:32.43 | Silvanas | seems correct yes |
| 22:32.52 | Xuerian | tlund: Aside from me often giving slightly off advice, yes. |
| 22:33.24 | tlund | I'll pastebin this sucker when I get it working and ask for more input. :) |
| 22:33.36 | Silvanas | well good nite i am off :D |
| 22:33.40 | Xuerian | o/ |
| 22:38.06 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: trump went 3-2 in arena. when he saw the key: "WHAT THAT'S IT? OH MY GOD, OH GOD- |
| 22:38.23 | jleclanche | this better make the next reactions video |
| 22:38.28 | Primer | When there's no combat going on, the FPS is lovely. I can see 100s of people here in Ashran just fine, all moving, casting spells, etc. |
| 22:38.34 | Primer | But as soon as combat starts, 1 FPS |
| 22:38.41 | fewyn | Fishing Shack: Completing a daily Fishing quest now awards 15 skill points to Fishing (up from 1). |
| 22:38.42 | fewyn | woo |
| 22:38.51 | jleclanche | lol |
| 22:38.54 | Primer | fucking A |
| 22:38.54 | Constie | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_types says unitIDs for bosses only go up to 5, so can I safely assume there will never be more than five boss frames on the screen? |
| 22:39.26 | jleclanche | fewyn: link? |
| 22:39.32 | fewyn | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/16561637/#dec5 |
| 22:40.14 | jleclanche | thx |
| 22:40.25 | fewyn | that was the only real interesting hotfix |
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| 22:48.18 | mikma | fukkin fishing quest boost :P |
| 22:49.05 | mikma | oh, so Ashran IS supposed to be a pvp zone |
| 22:49.08 | tlund | hmm.. my addons creates a frame and sets an OnEvent handler and registers the ADDON_LOADED event. I seem to be receiving this event for some addons .. but not for myself?! |
| 22:49.29 | Jamash | FYI, I go by "Mooninaut" on bnet so if you're wondering who sent you a battletag request, it's me |
| 22:49.55 | tlund | does ADDON_LOADED not fire unless you have saved variables perhaps? |
| 22:50.08 | Jamash | That is correct. |
| 22:50.17 | tlund | Aha! |
| 22:50.29 | tlund | What event should I listen to to know when my addon is ready to do shit? :) |
| 22:50.37 | mikma | tlund: local frame = CreateFrame("Frame"); frame:RegisterEvent("ADDON_LOADED"); frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self,event,...) print(...); end end) |
| 22:50.45 | Jamash | Well, when a line executes, that lets you know that that line has executed. |
| 22:51.20 | Jamash | In order to know when your addon is ready to do something, what you need is to know if the *client* is ready for your addon to do something. |
| 22:51.20 | Semlar | you need to check that it's actually your addon that fired ADDON_LOADED |
| 22:51.20 | tlund | yeah, well .. true :) |
| 22:51.33 | mikma | tlund: but PLAYER_LOGIN is the best pick if you are planning to do after login. not PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD because that gets fired quite alot in the game (zoning with loading screen) |
| 22:51.36 | tlund | Semlar: yes, thats what I was doing - but it never fires for my own addon. |
| 22:51.45 | Jamash | because it's misnamed |
| 22:51.51 | Semlar | probably |
| 22:51.57 | Jamash | there's also VARIABLES_LOADED...which is also misnamed |
| 22:52.11 | Semlar | variables_loaded is for cvars |
| 22:52.17 | tlund | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.18 | tlund | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.18 | tlund | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.32 | tlund | thats my code now - it triggers for other addons, but never for myself |
| 22:52.38 | Jamash | because you have no saved variables |
| 22:52.46 | Semlar | do you have saved variables? |
| 22:52.47 | Jamash | put something in a saved variable and it will trigger |
| 22:52.50 | tlund | exactly |
| 22:53.01 | tlund | i will wait for PLAYER_LOGIN instead |
| 22:53.09 | mikma | use it instead |
| 22:53.16 | Semlar | you don't need to wait for any event, it depends entirely on what you're doing |
| 22:53.25 | mikma | it's much better because almost everything in the game is available after that event |
| 22:53.48 | Jamash | Does PLAYER_LOGIN fire on /reload? |
| 22:54.02 | tlund | Semlar: is it not "good practice" to wait for an event befor doing "stuff"? |
| 22:54.04 | tlund | Jamash: yes. |
| 22:54.08 | Semlar | no |
| 22:54.16 | Semlar | there's zero point in waiting for an event unless you have a reason to |
| 22:54.19 | Xuerian | There's no intrinsic reason to wait |
| 22:54.22 | Jamash | Yes, if and only if that event is a precondition for "stuff" being available to do |
| 22:54.36 | mikma | semlar: welllllllll..... like i said, <mikma> it's much better because almost everything in the game is available after that event |
| 22:54.45 | mikma | also, like semlar said. :D |
| 22:54.49 | Jamash | It entirely depends on what "stuff" is |
| 22:54.54 | mikma | yes |
| 22:55.12 | Semlar | if you use information that isn't available until after PLAYER_LOGIN fires, then wait for PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 22:55.18 | Jamash | If "stuff" is creating frames and initializing data structures, no. If "stuff" is...what Semlar just said |
| 22:55.20 | mikma | huge amount of functions return NIL before PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 22:55.52 | Jamash | tlund: What's your addon do? |
| 22:56.05 | Jamash | mikma: nil is lowercase :P |
| 22:56.54 | tlund | Jamash: on certain events, like PARTY_INVITE_REQUEST and BATTLEFIELD_MGR_ENTRY_INVITE it is going to start playing a sound every few seconds until it is canceled either by a timout or by another event. |
| 22:57.05 | mikma | jamash: i'm sorry my lord, |
| 22:57.14 | tlund | so there is really no need for me to wait for an event to do init stuff |
| 22:57.19 | mikma | fewyn: http://hastebin.com/qovogazuda.lua |
| 22:57.23 | tlund | i can just register my events at the bottom of my addon. |
| 22:57.43 | Jamash | mikma: "I" is uppercase |
| 22:58.18 | mikma | jamash: god, you're sounding lika a grammar-nazi already |
| 22:58.31 | Jamash | mikma: I'm just playing along |
| 22:58.35 | mikma | jamash: also, jamash is uppercase also |
| 22:58.48 | mikma | jamash: but yet i have put irssi to put all the names in lowercase ;D |
| 22:59.13 | Jamash | actually Jamash is title case |
| 22:59.30 | mikma | fewyn: that code provides me the info about my important stats ;) but i need to run it everytime i open the character panel because the text gets overwritten |
| 22:59.42 | fewyn | interesting |
| 22:59.46 | mikma | purl: jamash is grammar-nazi |
| 22:59.46 | purl | ...but jamash is already something else... |
| 22:59.53 | mikma | purl: what is jamash? |
| 22:59.53 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, jamash is a pretty cool guy, eh writes Learning Aid and doesn't afraid of anything. |
| 23:00.02 | mikma | ok then! |
| 23:00.03 | Jamash | XD |
| 23:03.34 | mikma | fewyn: http://pbrd.co/1zwu7iG |
| 23:03.45 | Xuerian | mikma: As a certified saltician, you're getting close to the intervention point |
| 23:04.01 | mikma | xuerian: of what? haste? :D |
| 23:04.18 | Xuerian | Of critical saltiness overload :p |
| 23:04.35 | mikma | all i need is the Salty -title then |
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| 23:10.12 | mikma | oh, this is nice. CharacterFrame:HookScript :) |
| 23:14.40 | tlund | in my OnUpdate handler, I want to access some variables that are local to the addon - what is the correct way to do that? they need to be in the global space, right? |
| 23:15.28 | Xuerian | tlund: Just use them, so long as they are defined first they will be available to the function |
| 23:15.31 | mikma | you should be still able to access them eventho they are local. just define them at the start |
| 23:15.42 | Xuerian | defined/referenced/"local varname" |
| 23:15.47 | tlund | hmm |
| 23:16.33 | tlund | i have a local function registerEvents(), if i call this function after doing local frame = CreateFrame(), it says that "frame" is nil? |
| 23:16.54 | Xuerian | tlund: Is local frame = inside a different function? |
| 23:17.20 | tlund | no, it is just at the bottom of the code in the .lua file |
| 23:17.49 | tlund | local frame = CreateFrame("Frame", "AltTabFrame", UIParent); frame:Show(); registerEvents() |
| 23:17.51 | mikma | tlund: local foo = "bar"; local frame = CreateFrame("Frame"); local function registerEvents() print(foo) end |
| 23:18.09 | Xuerian | tlund: registerEvents gets access to variables based on its creation point not its call point |
| 23:18.12 | Xuerian | see: http://lua-users.org/wiki/ScopeTutorial |
| 23:18.18 | tlund | aaaaaaaaah |
| 23:18.25 | Xuerian | (you should probably read that anyway) |
| 23:18.48 | tlund | yeah, probably. :) thanks |
| 23:18.56 | mikma | fewyn: damn you.. |
| 23:19.48 | mikma | xuerian: i do know what you said, but for some reason i always forget that rule when coding :D |
| 23:19.55 | mikma | xuerian: every.single.time. |
| 23:20.36 | Xuerian | mikma: wut? o.o |
| 23:22.44 | mikma | xuerian: .. registerEvents gets access to variables based on its creation point not its call point |
| 23:22.49 | Xuerian | tlund: While we're fine tossing answers at you here generally, #lua is also available and friendly to more strictly Lua questions |
| 23:23.02 | mikma | xuerian: defining locals after creation point, baaaad. |
| 23:23.06 | Xuerian | mikma: Oh right. Yeah, I always forget when moving stuff around |
| 23:23.30 | tlund | Xuerian: yeah. sorry for asking alot of noob questions not really related to wow ui here :) |
| 23:23.45 | Xuerian | tlund: That wasn't a hint, like I said we're fine, but if you don't get a answer here you can also go there |
| 23:24.13 | Xuerian | It's also a nice channel so if you're interested in Lua otherwise (it's widely used in gaming/embedding and in web services now), it's cool to hang out in |
| 23:24.16 | tlund | yeah, i got it - i guess my point is .. thanks :) |
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| 23:36.05 | Neffi | Semlar: http://youtu.be/pY8jaGs7xJ0 |
| 23:40.03 | fewyn | yessss |
| 23:40.07 | fewyn | follower items now stack |
| 23:40.12 | fewyn | the upgrades |
| 23:48.02 | Xuerian | Awesome. |
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| 23:51.00 | Jamash | do caged animals? |
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| 23:52.42 | fewyn | sadly no Jamash |
| 23:52.52 | fewyn | probably because they can be different levels/stats/breeds/etc |
| 23:53.07 | Jamash | Sorry, I mean trapped, not caged |
| 23:53.10 | Jamash | for the barn |
| 23:53.14 | fewyn | oh |
| 23:53.19 | fewyn | no idea i don't have a barn yet |
| 23:56.50 | mikma | fewyn: done :P |
