| 00:00.04 | Primer | and all the shit underneath it |
| 00:00.20 | znf | link! |
| 00:06.32 | Amarande | file overrides ... I'm surprised they allow such a parlour trick |
| 00:06.49 | Amarande | you'd think that would have been locked down solid the moment that someone made a pvp override file to display gnomes in day-glo orange |
| 00:07.17 | Amarande | that's pretty much what happens with other PvP oriented games after all, like FPS and such |
| 00:07.41 | Amarande | no wait, day-glo orange is too good for gnomes ... day-glo vomit yellow, maybe? LOL |
| 00:07.59 | Dashkal | Sudden memory of teenage me taking the quake 1 sources and un-blocking r_fullBright in multiplayer >.> |
| 00:08.16 | Dashkal | Then going a step further and learning how to make only models render fullbright |
| 00:08.48 | Amarande | Dashkal: then wondering why everyone else on the server suddenly learned to become full time campers? :) |
| 00:09.08 | Dashkal | That's just it. Camping made you a /better/ target. Hide in a shadow? You're day-glow in a dark place. |
| 00:09.31 | Dashkal | Not the most ethical thing I ever did :P |
| 00:09.35 | Amarande | well, the idea of proper camping is more to hide in a place where the enemy can't get LoS on you at all without first giving you an opportunity to attack :P |
| 00:11.19 | Amarande | it's one of the main ways I dealt with having a crappy ping |
| 00:12.01 | Amarande | and one of the main reasons I hated Quake 2, since in that one like every server and its brother ran this friggin script that would warn and then auto boot you for camping |
| 00:12.37 | Amarande | pretty much stopped playing multiplayer FPS much at all at that point except for UT99 and UT2004 |
| 00:13.24 | Amarande | apparently yes, it was considered just in the days of Q2 that you should have to lose basically every game because your opponent could afford the rent in Manhattan and you couldn't. :( |
| 00:15.57 | Dashkal | Yeah, I never did get the bitch about camping. |
| 00:16.07 | Dashkal | The solution to camping is not-shit level design |
| 00:16.12 | Dashkal | People finally learned that lesson |
| 00:16.31 | Dashkal | I played a lot of QWTF. Most of the good camping nests had a back way in. |
| 00:17.28 | zenzelezz | "I can't believe it's December already. It feels like just yesterday when it was November. How time flies." - you just know I really loled at this |
| 00:17.57 | Amarande | zenzelezz: well, people feel like they aged a whole year on their birthday, too |
| 00:18.04 | Dashkal | waits for the year version of that joke |
| 00:18.34 | Amarande | Dashkal: wouldn't be surprised if the camping thing was yet another spoiled one percenter kid thing |
| 00:18.47 | Amarande | servers were mostly run by rich kids on good connections after all |
| 00:19.16 | Dashkal | It was the 'issue of the era' at that time. Debates on all the message boards and such. "Camping is cheap!" "Camping is valid tactic!". |
| 00:19.20 | Amarande | and they didn't run them so that some poor suburban upstart on a dialup could upstage them, they ran them so they could have a game to play and win and feel superior like teenage boys are wont to want to do |
| 00:19.32 | zenzelezz | Dashkal: every new year's eve just past midnight I post "so far this year has been disappointing" on Facebook |
| 00:19.43 | Dashkal | Meh, in QWTF the only invulnerable camping nests were when mappers put in effort. The class balance was such that it was very hard to actually make a demoman proof nest. |
| 00:20.00 | Amarande | And camping removes one of the few viable tactics for dealing with "LPBs", especially in Quake 2 where they introduced the railgun several years too soon to be fair in internet play |
| 00:20.10 | Amarande | er, anti-camping removes it |
| 00:20.11 | zenzelezz | Amarande: that also always puzzled me. Today you're 10473 days old, tomorrow 10474. Whoop |
| 00:20.18 | Dashkal | I miss teenage me. I rocked that railgun. |
| 00:20.46 | Amarande | Except yeah, LPBs were generally the ones who RAN THE SERVERS, so of course they'd arrange to make sure people played in a way that made their ping be for the win |
| 00:21.18 | Dashkal | Yeah, I just avoided those. I just plain didn't care about "all servers" or "most servers". I had the patience (then) to surf until I found a fair one and then just lived there. |
| 00:21.25 | Amarande | TBH, the real trouble was they released a game where ping made that big a competitive difference too soon for the Internet to be able to handle it :S |
| 00:21.53 | Dashkal | For much of my teen years, I was an HPB. Ping in seconds (5-12). Ever try to snipe someone that laggy? :P |
| 00:22.01 | Amarande | since back then to get a low ping, you basically had to be in college living on campus, in the military services, or live in urban core areas (generally ultra high rent ones like Manhattan and SF) |
| 00:22.02 | Dashkal | When I got cable, that was interesting.... |
| 00:22.21 | Amarande | everywhere else basically just didn't HAVE broadband yet |
| 00:22.26 | Amarande | I didn't get cable till 2004 |
| 00:22.37 | Dashkal | I had it in '99. Fun couple of years. |
| 00:22.49 | Primer | I used to run a really popular mega TF server |
| 00:22.53 | Amarande | And yeah Q2 was for some reason unusually ping-sensitive |
| 00:22.53 | Dashkal | Then I grew out of FPS. Never could go back. Reflexes are slower. |
| 00:22.56 | Primer | back before most people had broadband |
| 00:23.02 | Amarande | Q1 wasn't so much so, neither were the UTs |
| 00:23.03 | Dashkal | My varient was Shaka's CustomTF. |
| 00:23.26 | Primer | I had some maps where I had real transparent water |
| 00:23.28 | Amarande | It's hard to tell if Doom would have been, since the original Doom engine decided to go with IPX instead of IP networking for some unknown reason |
| 00:23.46 | Primer | and remember even having to use a hex editor to remove annoying shit |
| 00:24.02 | Primer | and replace the startup sound with my custom one |
| 00:24.23 | Amarande | and it wasn't till the source port explosion that TCP/IP Doom really became a thing |
| 00:24.24 | Primer | All games were IPX back then |
| 00:24.41 | Primer | remember Kali? |
| 00:24.45 | Primer | IPX over IP |
| 00:24.51 | Amarande | Primer: seems lame, since IPX was basically only a thing on corporate networks |
| 00:24.58 | Primer | duh |
| 00:24.59 | Amarande | even home LANs were normally IP |
| 00:25.01 | Primer | IPX was netware |
| 00:25.10 | Primer | not back then they weren't |
| 00:25.10 | Amarande | so why IPX was favoured, I'm not sure at all :| |
| 00:25.22 | Primer | because it was easy to get DOS to run IPX |
| 00:26.53 | Ivnedar_ | lots of schools used IPX too |
| 00:28.26 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/D7PXMli.png |
| 00:28.27 | znf | ?!?? |
| 00:28.29 | znf | I was in the AH |
| 00:29.20 | znf | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=59700#comments |
| 00:29.22 | znf | lol |
| 00:29.58 | Amarande | yeah, but it sure ate into the ability to play the gmae with friends |
| 00:30.02 | Amarande | especially once the internet took off |
| 00:30.21 | Amarande | and what was a couple hundred ms ping to your buddy over the Internet was a 25 cent a minute phone call for one of you |
| 00:30.37 | Amarande | (and you probably mulled over this for a while, except that neither of you wanted to be the one to get stuck with the charges, so nobody made the call and you didn't play! :P) |
| 00:31.26 | Ivnedar_ | if you wanted to play with your friends, you grabbed your pc and asked your mum to drive you there |
| 00:31.29 | Ivnedar_ | :P |
| 00:31.42 | Ivnedar_ | or you did it at school where the pcs and network were already there |
| 00:33.00 | Amarande | Ivnedar_: unless you made your gamer friend over the internet, anyway |
| 00:33.16 | Amarande | sure, you grabbed your pc and asked your mom to drive you ... "hey mom, can we go to california? like tomorrow?" :) |
| 00:34.04 | Ivnedar_ | maybe it's the region, but doom was ancient by the time we got to that point |
| 00:34.22 | Amarande | I'm not sure Doom has ever really become ancient |
| 00:34.31 | Amarande | it's still one of the most popular FPS even now |
| 00:35.12 | Amarande | probably got something to do with the level design system ... not just it being very open to level design, but the fact that it was a 2D blueprint based level design, so you didn't need extensive 3D design talent and tools to build levels |
| 00:35.42 | Amarande | whereas nowadays FPS require basically a full studio to make a half decent addon level that doesn't look obviously out of place amateurish |
| 00:35.55 | Amarande | and that's assuming they let you make levels at all (chances are they don't, because they want you to have to buy the DLC level packs) |
| 00:36.50 | Amarande | and if you can make levels, that you can host them (even as far back as CS:S, there was the issue that while Valve allowed user made levels, a lot of server hosting firms didn't let you use them) |
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| 00:43.37 | karl_w_w | oh god the icons being posted in chat |
| 00:49.37 | znf | get badboy |
| 00:51.09 | karl_w_w | I'm already bad, boy |
| 01:12.38 | ccox | trade chat is bad⦠pronshire is worse |
| 01:14.23 | Amarande | hah, people actually go to goldshire |
| 01:14.38 | Amarande | we call that place flyover land, dude :) |
| 01:14.53 | Amarande | you do your first ten levels in the area if you're a human, otherwise you only even see elwynn when you're flying over it |
| 01:14.55 | Dagmar | _Furries_ go to GOldshire |
| 01:15.18 | Amarande | well ... unless you're a scribe, in which case you probably trek out there for a little bit each day to grab some quick low level herbs for minor inscription research for the day |
| 01:17.46 | Ssateneth | is the author of garrison mission manager or master plan here? Is there the option of locking in a specific follower to a specific missions and filling in the rest of the spots with followers that give best success? |
| 01:17.53 | Ssateneth | like maybe its an XP mission and I want to power level a green follower |
| 01:18.29 | kd3 | MP 0.9? 0.10? has that built in iirc |
| 01:19.25 | Torhal | Ssateneth: foxlit is here, but you might want to just file a ticket on Master Plan. |
| 01:19.51 | Ssateneth | If you've already added followers to a party, the LFG eye will also offer to complete the party, keeping your selected followers in it. |
| 01:19.54 | Ssateneth | ah i see it |
| 01:34.54 | Shirik | and instantly the US became 5 times fatter than it already was http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2014/12/01/girls-scouts-sell-cookies-online/4fav15eE5pQmARX8lTdikN/story.html |
| 01:36.09 | Neffi | oh god yes |
| 01:39.20 | Amarande | Shirik: people have ebayed them for years |
| 01:39.39 | Amarande | guessing the scouts want to sell them directly instead of seeing the cookies get flipped for profit |
| 01:39.55 | Amarande | it helps earn that "sell snack foods for way too damn much money" demerit badge |
| 01:40.21 | Amarande | like how the boy scouts have that mind-bendingly expensive popcorn |
| 01:40.31 | Primer | fucking wine, WTF |
| 01:40.49 | Primer | start the game, CPU goes through the roof for 5 minutes, then calms down. No downloads going on |
| 01:41.15 | Primer | hearth to Stormshield, CPU goes nuts again |
| 01:45.24 | Primer | weird, invokine wine wow.exe runs the 64 bit one |
| 01:45.37 | Jecah | I have an EditBox and set a default value onto it. When I open the options panel and look at my edit box, it's blank. However, if I drag around in the box the correct number shows up and I can drag around on it. Is this avoidable? |
| 01:46.00 | Primer | daniel 19791 124 9.4 4775600 1554704 pts/25 Rl 17:42 3:36 Z:\home\daniel\World of Warcraft\Wow-64.exe |
| 01:46.20 | Primer | Jecah: surely |
| 01:47.05 | Jecah | Primer: any ideas? It's an extremely simple edit box. Am I not setting something right to get it to show the value without user input? |
| 01:48.32 | Primer | sorry, I don't know off hand |
| 01:48.37 | Primer | I just know it's possible |
| 01:48.57 | Primer | It's like I tell my boss when he asks me if we can do something. I tell him "we can do ANYTHING" |
| 01:49.06 | Primer | "But it's a matter of how much time you want to spend on it" |
| 01:51.21 | Shirik | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlD9JYP8u5E |
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| 01:53.37 | Simca_ | i think the chat server just restarted |
| 01:53.41 | Simca_ | at least for my realm |
| 01:53.44 | tz | same for me |
| 01:54.01 | tz | I'm guessing they've patched the shit server-side for the moment |
| 01:54.04 | Simca_ | yeah |
| 01:54.09 | Simca_ | very likely |
| 01:54.41 | tz | client update will be needed for print(...) and whatnot, but at least this'll (hopefully) stop the crap going on |
| 01:54.43 | fewyn | rip in peace chat images |
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| 01:55.02 | tz | shrugs |
| 01:55.06 | tz | been using badboy since this morning |
| 01:55.15 | tz | don't think I'll remove it tbh |
| 01:56.17 | Neffi | haha, Shirik |
| 01:56.20 | Neffi | also that song at the end |
| 01:56.40 | Simca_ | i've been using badboy for years; never got a single lua error or issue |
| 01:56.52 | Simca_ | it's pretty great at what it does |
| 01:57.33 | tz | I'd had it mentioned to me aaaages ago but hadn't had a need for it until today |
| 02:04.57 | kd3 | gah! failed an 87% mission for 15k xp |
| 02:04.58 | kd3 | damn it |
| 02:05.04 | tz | >_< |
| 02:05.39 | tz | failed a 99% for 35g or whatever it was yesterday |
| 02:05.41 | tz | didn't lose any sleep over it tho :P |
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| 02:10.41 | Simca_ | same kd3 |
| 02:11.17 | Simca_ | was weird i woke up this morning to a 15k mission, 12k mission, and a 3 abrogator stone mission; was a pretty nice lineup |
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| 02:11.48 | Simca_ | i've gotten The Night Watch 2 more times in the last 4 houros |
| 02:11.51 | Simca_ | hours* |
| 02:11.54 | Simca_ | it haunts me. |
| 02:12.04 | nebula169 | gotta get that patroling draenor ach! |
| 02:14.01 | Simca_ | lol and just like that |
| 02:14.06 | Simca_ | a new client build hits ptr |
| 02:16.24 | Simca_ | aaaaand nothing interesting |
| 02:18.08 | znf | our chat server just went down/up |
| 02:24.12 | Stanzilla | new ptr patch |
| 02:32.12 | Dagmar | MythBuntu is done here |
| 02:34.41 | Neffi | hey Semlar, buy me an ncase |
| 02:34.53 | Semlar | buys neffi an ngage |
| 02:35.03 | Neffi | close but no cigar |
| 02:35.15 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.15 | Semlar | i'm almost done replacing the flight map with the world map |
| 02:36.49 | Semlar | i just need to make the actual buttons |
| 02:37.11 | Neffi | did you taint all the things? |
| 02:37.17 | Semlar | i didn't taint nothin |
| 02:38.20 | pompy | wth.. my wow client randomly crashes and doesnt produce an error log. |
| 02:38.35 | Neffi | <Semlar> i didn't taint nothin <- I'm disappointed. I expect more out of you |
| 02:38.48 | Semlar | taints neffi |
| 02:38.57 | Neffi | that's better |
| 02:39.04 | Semlar | taints the watchframe |
| 02:39.15 | Semlar | bwahaha now try to use your quest items |
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| 02:42.14 | Jamash | foxlit: You're making Master Plan too smart. |
| 02:46.14 | kd3 | on the market for a good office chair. an aeron's out of my price bracket (<$200 or so) |
| 02:46.16 | kd3 | any suggestions? |
| 02:49.18 | Mr_Rabies | build one out of the bones of your enemies |
| 02:49.25 | Mr_Rabies | cheap and easy |
| 02:59.51 | fewyn | just like your mom? |
| 03:00.01 | fewyn | /delayed joke |
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| 03:02.52 | Amarande | kd3: check overstock.com |
| 03:03.02 | Amarande | I got a nice ergo chair once there for $125-ish, usually costs about twice as much MSRP |
| 03:03.18 | Amarande | I'm actually still sitting in it now :) |
| 03:15.40 | Simca_ | kd3: http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/277952/Realspace-PRO-Mobility-Multifunction-Fabric-Task/ |
| 03:25.51 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 03:25.58 | Mr_Rabies | i can't get the level 2 buildings to unlock for me |
| 03:26.09 | Mr_Rabies | it says requires Talador Outpost, and I have one built |
| 03:26.25 | Mr_Rabies | i forget what i did on my main, i think just hit 96 |
| 03:26.43 | Stanzilla | Simca_: We're Sorry. We are unable to process your last request. |
| 03:26.51 | Stanzilla | Reference id: N/A |
| 03:26.52 | Stanzilla | good |
| 03:28.31 | Simca_ | Mr_Rabies: you have to complete every quest at your outpost |
| 03:28.40 | Simca_ | or at least every storyline involving it |
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| 03:39.23 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 03:39.31 | Mr_Rabies | guess i'll know when it unlocks somehow? |
| 03:39.43 | Mr_Rabies | really just want a level 2 scribe building so i can put a follower on it |
| 03:40.04 | Mr_Rabies | to feed my main darkmoon cards |
| 03:45.44 | fewyn | you basically have to complete the entire zone |
| 03:46.19 | Simca_ | when you get the outpost book |
| 03:46.22 | Simca_ | that's when |
| 03:57.37 | Amarande | hm, one thing I've realised is beautiful about FFXIV |
| 03:57.49 | Amarande | being on a high pop server actually seems to make you a lot less vulnerable to being annoyed by spam, at least so far |
| 03:57.59 | Amarande | (whereas in WoW high pop servers probably just get spammed the most) |
| 03:59.52 | Simca_ | there is no trade chat trolling on a high pop server, at least |
| 04:00.01 | Simca_ | trade goes so damn fast that there isn't time to troll |
| 04:00.16 | Simca_ | you have to use both of your 2 messages per 30 seconds to advertise what you want |
| 04:00.26 | Simca_ | space them 15 seconds apart for a chance to be seen |
| 04:00.53 | Amarande | Simca: I was also thinking that the FFXIV character creation rules also strongly retard gil farmer spam on high population realms |
| 04:01.25 | Amarande | because of the large time frames where character creation is not allowed, meaning that gil farmers have that much less opportunity to replenish their supply of level 1 barker bots when they get banned |
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| 04:02.01 | Amarande | WoW, well, it's always easy to create characters if the server isn't queued, they can whisper you all the time :( |
| 04:08.05 | Amarande | btw, when is WoW going to get automatic loot on kill? :D |
| 04:08.35 | Ivnedar_ | probably release a bodyguard with the level 2 perk of "auto loot" |
| 04:08.41 | Ivnedar_ | autoloot + packmule would be awesome |
| 04:08.56 | Ivnedar_ | cross promotion from d3, make it a treasure goblin |
| 04:09.11 | Ivnedar_ | it runs around gathering everything that drops and carries it all in its own pack |
| 04:09.28 | Amarande | seems like it's starting to become sort of an MMO staple to auto loot mobs when they die, as well |
| 04:10.01 | Amarande | both FFXIV and LOTRO do so now (of MMOs I've played, SW:TOR is the only one besides WoW where you still have to click the corpse) |
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| 04:15.44 | Mr_Rabies | i'm kinda torn on autoloot |
| 04:15.50 | Mr_Rabies | it's convenient but it really does remove part of the game |
| 04:16.26 | Mr_Rabies | maybe have a toy that for the next 30 minutes all loot will automatically fly into your bags or something |
| 04:16.39 | Mr_Rabies | on a cooldown of some sort |
| 04:17.05 | Mr_Rabies | aoe looting is nice, but autolooting just feels kinda hollow on games that have it |
| 04:17.52 | Mr_Rabies | maybe tweak the postmaster a bit and have him send everything you don't loot in a care package or something once a day |
| 04:29.16 | xyphoid | it's one of those bits of simulationism that they haven't polished out of existence yet |
| 04:31.40 | Jamash | how about we get rid of vendor trash |
| 04:31.48 | Jamash | thus making loot meaningful |
| 04:32.19 | Jamash | also, just got my first 100, wootski |
| 04:33.33 | Primer | slacker |
| 04:34.39 | Mr_Rabies | but i like vendor trash |
| 04:34.42 | Mr_Rabies | it adds flavor |
| 04:35.24 | Primer | so is there any advantage to having a level 3 profession hut? I mean, just because I can do 21 or 14 orders at once doesn't necessarily mean they go faster...does it? |
| 04:37.38 | Simca_ | no |
| 04:37.41 | Simca_ | there is no advantage |
| 04:38.00 | Simca_ | they should have made it so that level 3 profession huts had a profession supply vendor there |
| 04:38.19 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: I think it benefits ranged characters a lot, though |
| 04:38.24 | Simca_ | because there is only one supply for most professions in all of draenor - a single trade goods guy in stormshield/warspear |
| 04:38.32 | Amarande | (can you tell I usually play ranged? heh) |
| 04:38.34 | Simca_ | 0 people sell enchanting scrolls at level 100 on draenor |
| 04:38.45 | Amarande | you don't have to worry about whether the mob died in a safe location to loot |
| 04:38.52 | Simca_ | (the 1 vendor who does lives in shattrath... pre-destruction) |
| 04:38.59 | Mr_Rabies | loot-a-rang, Amarande |
| 04:39.02 | Mr_Rabies | solves your problems |
| 04:39.06 | Amarande | which balances things with melee (if you're safe when the mob DIED as a melee, well, you're safe to loot! As ranged? You might have to fight more and more mobs to loot the ones you already nabbed) |
| 04:39.11 | Amarande | oh right :) |
| 04:39.18 | Simca_ | they made a non-engineering loot-a-rang this time too |
| 04:39.22 | Mr_Rabies | yup |
| 04:39.34 | Mr_Rabies | it's basically good for alts and not much else, Primer |
| 04:39.36 | Amarande | also, deals with the situations where mobs die in a location that can not be held by the player long enough to click and loot before falling out of range |
| 04:39.43 | Amarande | but I guess the lootarang deals with that too |
| 04:39.50 | Mr_Rabies | honestly a level 3 prof building should cut work order time by x% |
| 04:39.58 | Primer | Mr_Rabies: agreed |
| 04:39.59 | Mr_Rabies | even 5% would be a huge improvement |
| 04:40.06 | Mr_Rabies | and make it feel worth it |
| 04:40.17 | Amarande | so I guess especially nice for DoT people then |
| 04:40.17 | Mr_Rabies | it's clear the garrisons really just...weren't ready |
| 04:40.34 | Amarande | (since you can't really control where a mob collapses and expires when you're a dotter, heh) |
| 04:40.56 | Mr_Rabies | they seem like a good partial design but there's no way everything is working as designed |
| 04:41.13 | Mr_Rabies | like, the only reason to go past lv1 stables is for an achievement |
| 04:41.30 | Amarande | wonder if they mean to expand it later on or if it's inadequate testing |
| 04:41.33 | Amarande | but I guess you just can't win with that |
| 04:41.34 | Mr_Rabies | some prof buildings give meaningful rewards, some do not |
| 04:42.14 | xyphoid | i quite like them being wonky and weird and non-homogenized for now |
| 04:42.19 | xyphoid | it'll change i guess |
| 04:42.21 | Amarande | either you make the beta too open and then you have problems (I think it contributed to end of expansion ennui phase setting in earlier because a lot of launch content gets tested in beta, so raiders finish content faster because they already mostly solved it in beta, and thus content patches have to come out faster) |
| 04:42.30 | Amarande | or you make it too closed and then you have problems (because stuff got missed in testing) |
| 04:42.36 | Mr_Rabies | eh it wasn't lack of testing |
| 04:42.38 | Mr_Rabies | it was just lack of time |
| 04:42.46 | xyphoid | but i love garrisons for being a new kind of horizontal progression |
| 04:42.47 | Mr_Rabies | to implement what they wanted |
| 04:42.55 | Mr_Rabies | they had to do a feature freeze a bit too early on the garrison |
| 04:43.11 | Amarande | World of Warcraft: Warlords of Debian, then? :) |
| 04:43.21 | Mr_Rabies | and tried to patch it with a last-minute mats change in beta |
| 04:43.27 | Mr_Rabies | that ended up being a nightmare at live |
| 04:44.05 | Amarande | (that was always one thing that's bugged me about debian, every now and then something fairly significant is lacking because it released *just* too late to make it into stable, and is then considered baseline normal by a large amount of linux folks) |
| 04:44.18 | Mr_Rabies | the asymmetrical design of garrisons wouldn't be an issue you could at least work towards every building, but some buildings really have no purpose |
| 04:44.32 | Mr_Rabies | like, trading post is so rarely useful |
| 04:44.49 | Mr_Rabies | ditto with gnomish gearworks |
| 04:45.15 | Primer | ok, finally got a Follower Re-Training Certificate |
| 04:45.21 | Primer | now to figure out how it works |
| 04:45.44 | Mr_Rabies | also the barn really should be baseline like the mine and herb garden |
| 04:45.47 | xyphoid | in my experience you lose leatherworking and gain epic mount |
| 04:45.51 | xyphoid | good times |
| 04:46.21 | Amarande | perhaps part of it was also what they removed from the game this time around |
| 04:46.42 | Amarande | like the lesser role of professions ... if professions were still as big this time it would make a lot more possible uses for garrisons, especially the crafting oriented buildings |
| 04:47.04 | Jamash | Primer: it rerolls all of a follower's traits and thingies |
| 04:47.25 | Jamash | Primer: don't use it unless you are willing to lose all of a follower's abilities |
| 04:47.33 | Amarande | but I guess they wanted to listen to the complainers who thought anything but just having to show up on raid night was unnecessary tedium and chore |
| 04:47.45 | Amarande | which seems to be the direction that the game has been going in for some time |
| 04:47.52 | Mr_Rabies | that's the thing though, professions have become an unnecessary tedium and chore |
| 04:47.59 | Amarande | that if you want to raid, you should be able to just show up on raid night and eff that "preparation" stuff, is the goal :| |
| 04:48.03 | Mr_Rabies | it's a total damned nightmare for professions right now |
| 04:48.19 | Mr_Rabies | game design is clashing in a huge way between the professions and the garrison |
| 04:48.28 | Mr_Rabies | it's like the problems with cooking in MoP but somehow WORSE |
| 04:48.37 | Primer | Jamash: well, right now I have 5 100 followers that can counter minion swarms |
| 04:48.40 | xyphoid | first aid using fishing is pretty wacky |
| 04:48.41 | Primer | 3 of which are epic |
| 04:48.54 | Mr_Rabies | yeah xyphoid |
| 04:48.57 | Mr_Rabies | i don't get that one at all |
| 04:49.04 | Amarande | also, moreover, professions are quite beloved by a lot of players, especially for the ones that do not raid it gives them a sense of progression and achievement |
| 04:49.04 | Primer | and 4 that counter timed battle |
| 04:49.10 | xyphoid | what |
| 04:49.10 | Jamash | Primer: just be aware that it rerolls *all* of the attributes and traits |
| 04:49.19 | xyphoid | what's the story with cloth? i have no tailor |
| 04:49.21 | Mr_Rabies | "how do we get people to use this secondary profession?" "oh, by making them use another secondary profession no one uses!" |
| 04:49.27 | xyphoid | are furs or whatever the base material for tailoring too now |
| 04:49.31 | Jamash | xyphoid: fur, yes |
| 04:49.44 | Jamash | Mr_Rabies: I have fishing maxed on two characters |
| 04:50.01 | Mr_Rabies | i think i fished for about 6 minutes before realizing it's still terrible |
| 04:50.08 | Amarande | Jamash, your new guild name needs to be <District Four> :D |
| 04:50.10 | Jamash | "nobody uses" == "I never use" |
| 04:50.18 | Jamash | Amarande: IDGI |
| 04:50.22 | Mr_Rabies | clearly it's hyperbole, Jamash |
| 04:50.26 | Amarande | Jamash: Hunger Games reference |
| 04:50.26 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't mean literally no one uses it |
| 04:50.43 | Mr_Rabies | it's just that secondary professions needed to become meaningful and interesting and they still really aren't |
| 04:50.48 | Jamash | fishing got me my turkle mount, quite a few combat pets, all kinds of crafting mats |
| 04:50.58 | Jamash | it's *boring* but far from useless |
| 04:51.21 | Primer | my Croman kinda sucks |
| 04:51.21 | xyphoid | a shame that they didn't get a chance to have professions contribute to the garrison rather than vice versa |
| 04:51.22 | Jamash | oh yeah and water strider, yo |
| 04:51.37 | Jamash | xyphoid: trading post |
| 04:51.37 | Primer | his 3 traits are gnome-lover, orcslayer, and child of the moon |
| 04:51.42 | Mr_Rabies | like, fishing gameplay really needs a revamp |
| 04:51.49 | Mr_Rabies | have the old thing in there for people that like it |
| 04:51.50 | Primer | plus his abilities all overlap with at least 3 others |
| 04:51.57 | Primer | so he's a perfect candidate |
| 04:51.59 | Mr_Rabies | but add a neat minigame, have some of the hearthstone guys come up with something |
| 04:52.06 | xyphoid | remember free realms |
| 04:52.16 | xyphoid | you played a bejewelled variant for each gathering prof |
| 04:53.08 | xyphoid | higher score = greater yield |
| 04:53.46 | Mr_Rabies | the fact that we have portals open to another planet on another timeline in the past and we're still using a rod and reel doing a boring minigame with barely any decent payout is insane |
| 04:54.20 | Mr_Rabies | khadgar, get your ass to this lake and freeze it and we'll eat whatever you froze, it'll be okay |
| 04:54.55 | Amarande | well yeah if all you do is stand there and fish |
| 04:54.58 | xyphoid | i forgive WoD everything in exchange for that feather that fires you into the air and gives you wings |
| 04:55.02 | Mr_Rabies | i just hate to see the secondary professions just kinda suck |
| 04:55.07 | xyphoid | zooom |
| 04:55.10 | Mr_Rabies | and continue sucking |
| 04:55.11 | Amarande | mostly on most of my characters I just snag pools as I pass them instead of really putting in too much grinding on fishing |
| 04:55.28 | Mr_Rabies | like, the best secondary profession is pet battles |
| 04:55.37 | Mr_Rabies | (and it's not really one, of course) |
| 04:55.39 | Amarande | except maybe the first 125 points or so so I get to the point where it slows down because I hate the idea of losing skill points to maxing out while I'm not near a trainer |
| 04:55.43 | Amarande | I don't like wasting skill points hhe |
| 04:56.56 | xyphoid | i reckon the game needs 3-4 more complex subsystems like pet battles |
| 04:57.01 | Amarande | but yeah, it does seem like anything that creates any additional work on raiders besides "show up on raid night" is being preferentially pruned |
| 04:57.21 | Amarande | which feels rather sad if you're not raiding at the time. :( |
| 04:57.25 | Primer | rerolled my Croman and got scavenger! |
| 04:57.29 | Primer | woohoo |
| 04:57.42 | xyphoid | nice |
| 04:57.50 | Amarande | although I guess they might feel they have to because of competition from like, well, every other multiplayer game genre under the sun :( |
| 04:58.13 | Amarande | after all, basically every other multiplayer game there is is "just queue in whenever" |
| 04:58.18 | Mr_Rabies | i do think they really either need to give up and make secondary profs account-wide or make them interesting enough to bother leveling on alts |
| 04:58.39 | Amarande | yeah that's true. fishing and cooking on alts is rather tedious |
| 04:58.52 | Mr_Rabies | right now i wish i could unlearn first aid and cooking on them so when i hit "usable" under recipes i don't get a bunch of junk patterns i don't care about |
| 04:58.53 | Amarande | and first aid ... especially first aid really |
| 04:58.59 | Amarande | at least food is useful, and fish is useful to make food with |
| 04:59.00 | Mr_Rabies | and archaeology |
| 04:59.23 | Amarande | with first aid, the bandages have suffered so badly over the years from expansion numbers changes that half the time they're not even worth the cloth they're made of |
| 04:59.25 | xyphoid | wasn't there a quote about how they wish they'd limited archaeology to cataclysm |
| 04:59.27 | Mr_Rabies | but it's 100% not worth leveling on anything other than one char per server |
| 04:59.42 | Amarande | archaeology is nice for getting lots of ludicrously easy xp though |
| 04:59.47 | Mr_Rabies | i made literally like 10 bandages during MoP |
| 04:59.49 | Mr_Rabies | i used like 2 |
| 05:00.10 | Amarande | like, you can just keep going from digsite to digsite in a grey level area gathering absolutely insane amounts of xp per digsite |
| 05:00.15 | Amarande | with no trouble at all |
| 05:00.17 | Jamash | that's probably why they changed it from cloth to fish, Mr_Rabies |
| 05:00.28 | Jamash | cloth is too valuable to use on first aid, fish aren't |
| 05:00.34 | Mr_Rabies | which would be neat |
| 05:00.37 | Mr_Rabies | if fishing was any fun |
| 05:00.45 | Jamash | Amarande: I think they nerfed archaeology xp, it used to be quite ridiculous |
| 05:00.51 | Jamash | gnight |
| 05:01.00 | Mr_Rabies | it's not a bad idea but fishing is still basically the same as it has since classic beta, at least |
| 05:01.01 | Jamash | I'm up an hour and a half past my bedtime :[ |
| 05:01.06 | Amarande | it's not just first aid either actually though, even a primary profession has been impacted by the various numbers tweakings |
| 05:01.08 | Mr_Rabies | later |
| 05:01.12 | Amarande | namely alchemy |
| 05:01.14 | Jamash | yeah fishing needs a retune |
| 05:01.19 | Mr_Rabies | enchanting is a nightmare right now |
| 05:01.21 | Amarande | most low level healing potions are patently worthless too half the time |
| 05:01.32 | Amarande | because they're not commensurate to health pools at the expected levels |
| 05:01.33 | Mr_Rabies | like, a total nightmare |
| 05:01.54 | Amarande | MoP was probably especially bad because they just basically doubled everyone's health pool from 1-60 and left everything else almost as was, IIRC |
| 05:02.06 | Xuerian | Enchanting needs to be able to DE and geta appropriate skillup multiples off of it and it'd be a lot better |
| 05:02.15 | Mr_Rabies | alchemy was insanely easy to level, though |
| 05:02.20 | Amarande | and I don't think they really tested that aspect at all (viz. it being mind-numbingly hard to finish Gilneas as a Worgen) |
| 05:02.33 | Mr_Rabies | pre WoD i made all my alts alchemists once i had enough to cover every profession otherwise |
| 05:02.47 | Mr_Rabies | because it was profitable for almost an entire expansion and also super easy to level |
| 05:03.11 | Amarande | I heard it impacted goblins too but I've never played a goblin at all so I don't know for sure |
| 05:03.31 | Mr_Rabies | Xuerian: the bandaid to get more dust is nice but still, the payout on work orders is still awful |
| 05:03.43 | Xuerian | Mr_Rabies: Well, I just mean for leveling |
| 05:03.54 | Amarande | btw, speaking of profession perks removed, did BoP gear get nixed too or just the stat bonus bit? |
| 05:04.03 | Amarande | I was always wondering how that would play out in practise |
| 05:04.10 | Mr_Rabies | they don't really care about leveling professions while leveling your char anymore |
| 05:04.17 | Mr_Rabies | the new game is leveling profs at 100 |
| 05:04.36 | Mr_Rabies | it's still there if you want, but they don't really care about it anymore |
| 05:04.58 | Amarande | like alchemists don't get mixology anymore I'm guessing because that was the "profession perk" |
| 05:05.09 | Amarande | but are things like the trinkets and infini-flask still there or are they gone too? |
| 05:05.28 | Mr_Rabies | so much has changed with WoD, not sure |
| 05:05.51 | Mr_Rabies | as far as i know the prof specializations have no effect with WoD recipes |
| 05:05.57 | Mr_Rabies | but i dunno about items like that |
| 05:06.14 | Xuerian | Mr_Rabies: You still have to DE things as you level your enchanting skill, that's what I'm talking about. It doesn't have a core shortcut like the rest of the professions, the WoD enchanting mats are expensive unlike most of the other professions |
| 05:06.20 | Amarande | and do engineers still have goggles? |
| 05:06.25 | Mr_Rabies | they do |
| 05:06.29 | Xuerian | Yes, but they're boe |
| 05:06.43 | Amarande | probably a good thing anyway |
| 05:06.56 | Amarande | helps alleviate one of the core weaknesses of engi, which is that there never really seemed to be much of anything to sell |
| 05:07.05 | Amarande | (pets and mounts I suppose but once those went account wide ...) |
| 05:07.13 | pompy | https://twitter.com/Zorbrix/status/539609396989284352 |
| 05:08.34 | Amarande | also now you have a crafted option in general for the hat slot :) |
| 05:08.49 | Amarande | I don't recall any other prof being able to craft epic hats before |
| 05:08.53 | Xuerian | Of course, now you have to roll them repeatedly like wildstar |
| 05:09.16 | Xuerian | <insert "reforging, what is that?" comments here> |
| 05:09.19 | Mr_Rabies | and rerolling is insane |
| 05:09.22 | Amarande | well, wow got off easy on that for a long while |
| 05:09.30 | Mr_Rabies | they should have just put cogwheel sockets in it |
| 05:09.35 | Amarande | most other MMOs I've seen have at least some random element to crafting |
| 05:09.48 | Xuerian | Yeah, but are they also entirely timegated? |
| 05:09.55 | Amarande | and most of the time it's something that has to be done at crafting time |
| 05:10.02 | Amarande | Xuerian: legendary weapons and class items in LOTRO |
| 05:10.08 | Mr_Rabies | mats for rerolling take |
| 05:10.11 | Mr_Rabies | FOREVER to get |
| 05:10.17 | Mr_Rabies | and/or a lot of money |
| 05:10.22 | Mr_Rabies | looking at like 15k per reroll right now |
| 05:10.23 | Amarande | ALL are crafted, Legacies (item attributes) are COMPLETELY random, and every recipe for the Second and First Age ones is on a 7 day cooldown |
| 05:10.45 | Amarande | also, they all use a mat that itself must be crafted, is BoP (the crafted items are BoE though) and is itself on a 7 day cooldown |
| 05:10.52 | Xuerian | Amarande: Maybe so, but just because another mmo has a poopy system doesn't justify this one |
| 05:11.06 | Amarande | although tbh I do like the idea |
| 05:11.11 | Amarande | because it makes crafters have a place of real importance |
| 05:11.21 | Amarande | you don't get top tier weapons in LOTRO from raid drops *at all* |
| 05:11.44 | Amarande | what does drop in that regard are symbols that are part of the mats needed to craft a Second or First Age Legendary |
| 05:12.01 | Amarande | so people have to raid, and they also have to rely on crafters, instead of getting to the point where eventually only the raids matter |
| 05:12.14 | Xuerian | I could go for that, but not the overboard randomness |
| 05:12.26 | Amarande | well, there's ways to deal with the randomness |
| 05:12.58 | Amarande | you can substitute legacies with other ones (you have to have had another legendary item that does have the legacy you want, and leveled it up to at least 31, then you can extract the legacy from it into a scroll in a DE-like process and then move it to your top tier legendary) |
| 05:13.13 | Amarande | also, a lot of legacy combinations are good, there is no clear BiS |
| 05:13.40 | Amarande | it also promotes build diversity because many abilities are awesome if you have the right legacy available and useless otherwise |
| 05:14.09 | Xuerian | Anotherwords, it is incompatible with wow |
| 05:14.15 | Amarande | heh, pretty much |
| 05:14.31 | Mr_Rabies | i'd honestly rather see professions be interesting gameplay wise, and i'm not sure if what we got was the way i wanted them to go in |
| 05:14.47 | Mr_Rabies | it's basically the same thing only everything's time-gated and/or expensive as hell |
| 05:15.18 | Xuerian | I'd like them to be interesting and relied on, but raiders would flip and wow isn't flexible enough to fit the lotro style randomness at least. |
| 05:15.20 | Amarande | and FFXIV has the high quality item crafts, though I'm not high enough level in crafting in FFXIV yet to tell just how significant that ends up being in the long run |
| 05:15.24 | Amarande | (very, I'm guessing) |
| 05:15.48 | Amarande | nor whether high quality crafts can be made a certainty at top levels or not (I get the suspicion they can't, just like you can virtually never guarantee critical crafts in LOTRO) |
| 05:16.08 | Amarande | g0urra would know better than I but he's not here heh |
| 05:27.34 | Amarande | I know it gets complex enough that people complain that they got penalised for missing an instance queue because they were in the middle of a craft, though heh |
| 05:29.09 | Ivnedar_ | wildstar's launch crafting system was 100% reliant on rng. you had to craft the same item hundreds of times, hoping you get the right random slots on the item to make it useful |
| 05:32.45 | Mr_Rabies | if they took skill and not just time i'd agree that relying on them would be interesting |
| 05:32.51 | Mr_Rabies | but it would require a total redesign |
| 05:32.51 | Neffi | you say "launch crafting system". I take it they tossed that since then, Ivnedar_? |
| 05:32.57 | Ivnedar_ | yeah |
| 05:33.23 | Mr_Rabies | relying on gear that really only just takes forever to make isn't particularly interesting |
| 05:33.23 | Ivnedar_ | well, made it a lot less random, and gave you a second roll of slots to see if you luck out the second time |
| 05:33.27 | Neffi | Wildstar still looks intriguing. I mean to pick it up eventually, but I hear it's pretty much dead now :( |
| 05:33.44 | Mr_Rabies | like, if good profession gear required gear that only drops in raids, etc |
| 05:33.57 | Mr_Rabies | or some other skill-based facet of the game, not necessarily raiding |
| 05:34.11 | Mr_Rabies | right now that and pvp are really the only two things that aren't just time-gated snorefests |
| 05:34.23 | Mr_Rabies | (and i don't even like pvp) |
| 05:34.33 | Amarande | ah ... yeah, LOTRO's idea was basically it seems to give you lots of different useful items instead of making it easy to get the One Perfect Item, so that legendary items would feel, well, unique like a legendary artifact would |
| 05:34.54 | Amarande | as opposed to WoW where, well, every [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker] is the same ... heh |
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| 05:36.03 | Amarande | but of the crafting systems I've experienced ... LOTRO's, you have a % chance to get a Critical craft on most recipes, and basically anything that isn't a critical craft (except for higher end recipes that don't have the crit chance, most of which are on a cooldown) is crap |
| 05:36.44 | Amarande | TOR's, you have a % chance to get a critical craft but it's kind of meh (for modifications it's 2 for the mats and time of 1, for items you get an Augment slot but you can also add those later for a credits cost, and most built in augment slots need upgrading anyway) |
| 05:36.56 | Amarande | and FFXIV's is a complex beast that's hard to explain concisely |
| 05:37.25 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather chance not be a part of it and instead give you stats based on performance that you can work on |
| 05:37.49 | Mr_Rabies | like, oh you heated the sword too much and it's slightly more brittle than optimal, minus to durability |
| 05:38.04 | Amarande | yeah, FFXIV has the "high quality bar" where the more it's filled the more chance you have of getting a high quality version (I think it might be guaranteed if you fill the whole bar ... but you need to be leveled up somewhat and have good craft gear before that's practical) |
| 05:38.16 | Mr_Rabies | oh you doused it in water way too early, now you have to redo the edge |
| 05:38.17 | Mr_Rabies | or whatever |
| 05:38.28 | Amarande | and the only crafting I've really even tried in it is cooking, so I'm not sure yet how it works for gear items |
| 05:39.24 | Amarande | if you don't like cooking in WoW btw, you probably don't want to try cooking in LOTRO or FFXIV ... they build on things in ways that reminds one more of engineering :) |
| 05:41.01 | Ivnedar_ | wildstar crafting had the potential of making items that were better for you than raid drops |
| 05:41.14 | Ivnedar_ | so of course it was expected (by players) that people would make them |
| 05:41.36 | Ivnedar_ | crafting an item gave it a random number of rune slots each with a random plane (similar to gem slots and colours) |
| 05:41.52 | Ivnedar_ | the higher the crafted tier, the higher the max possible slots was |
| 05:42.17 | Ivnedar_ | the thing was, every item in the game followed a similar rule, so raid drops would also have a random number of slots/planes |
| 05:42.27 | Ivnedar_ | particular planes were good for some classes, useless to others |
| 05:42.43 | Ivnedar_ | so quite regularly you'd have a combo drop that was useless to 100% of players |
| 05:43.05 | Amarande | sounds kind of nifty, much like how I do like that basic idea of LOTRO in regards to the relation of crafting and raids |
| 05:43.18 | Ivnedar_ | set bonuses were gained by putting rune sets into gear |
| 05:43.20 | Amarande | (you get special mats as raid drops, and then crafters make the actual gear) |
| 05:43.35 | Iriel | Possibly my most satisfying game crafting was SW:G |
| 05:43.47 | Ivnedar_ | so crafting a top tier chest with 5 fire slots in it was the holy grail |
| 05:44.00 | Ivnedar_ | but at a 0.00001% chance, good luck with that |
| 05:44.42 | Amarande | SW:TOR let you learn most raid drops as directly craftable items |
| 05:44.58 | Amarande | or at least the item modifications, which was what really mattered |
| 05:45.39 | Amarande | except the currently topmost tier raid gear normally can't be reverse engineered, and set bonuses can't be either (crafted raid tier armourings only give stats, not set bonuses) |
| 05:51.22 | Ivnedar_ | they changed the crafting system to have a fixed number of slots per tier instead of random amount |
| 05:51.54 | Ivnedar_ | the planes are still random, but you can craft items that will give you a once off selection of 2 other planes (chosen at random) to replace that slot with |
| 05:52.19 | Ivnedar_ | buying an item from a vendor had the same slot chances too |
| 05:52.36 | Ivnedar_ | very bizarre |
| 05:53.37 | Ivnedar_ | the actual crafting was fairly cool though. you had a circuit board that you'd put stats into for choosing the primary/secondary stats of the craft |
| 05:53.50 | Ivnedar_ | each slot on the board has a cost and a colour |
| 05:53.54 | Ivnedar_ | each stat has a colour |
| 05:54.07 | Ivnedar_ | cost per stat point is lower if colours matched |
| 05:54.23 | Ivnedar_ | then you had a base power for that item, that could be boosted by crafting perks, power sources for the item, etc |
| 05:54.24 | Amarande | nifty. |
| 05:54.49 | Ivnedar_ | you then spend that power on stats how you want them to be, you can go over the stat power at the cost of higher chance of failure |
| 05:55.04 | Ivnedar_ | so you could push an item to higher status and have a 10% chance of failure, or an 80% chance of failure |
| 05:55.39 | Ivnedar_ | but then that comes back to getting a spread you're happy with, then crafting 100+ of them, then coming back to see if any of the crafts were useful, break the rest down, start again |
| 05:55.48 | Ivnedar_ | with addons assisting the batch crafting |
| 05:56.52 | Ivnedar_ | wildstar had a lot of neat ideas |
| 05:57.44 | Amarande | yeah, seems like most new MMOs don't catch on anymore though |
| 05:57.56 | Amarande | or at least not enough to sustain the pure subscription model |
| 05:58.08 | Ivnedar_ | wildstar advertised it as a hardcore raiding game, not for casuals, from the old school wow devs |
| 05:58.25 | Ivnedar_ | hardcore raiding is too much of a niche to keep a game afloat I think |
| 05:58.52 | Amarande | in that regard, the only competitors to WoW are FFXIV (which is still very young, and hard to tell its future though it is a great game indeed) and EVE (which is heavily PvP based and totally different from any other MMO and sets itself very much apart from the crowd) |
| 05:59.23 | Amarande | yeah, most of the complaints I see about raiding on MMO boards actually seem like they call into question the overall long term viability of a game based on co-op multiplayer in general |
| 05:59.48 | Ivnedar_ | eve created its own niche and is highly successful there |
| 05:59.56 | Amarande | particularly that player bases get too stratified eventually until it gets harder and harder for those not at the top tier to find enough people with whom to catch up |
| 06:00.08 | Ivnedar_ | the raid attunement for wildstar was rather involved |
| 06:00.18 | Ivnedar_ | many people didn't have the attention span |
| 06:00.39 | Ivnedar_ | and if raiding is the focus of the game, many people leave |
| 06:00.44 | Amarande | even if you, yourself, are awesomeness, well, if you can't find the right team ... just ask every star QB whose team has choked LOL |
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| 06:37.30 | cladhaire | Iriel: how are you? |
| 06:38.49 | Iriel | Iâm doing well, but tired - A long day at work today (Cyber Monday and all that) |
| 06:40.42 | Iriel | You? We missed you at blizzcon. |
| 06:42.34 | cladhaire | Been doing well |
| 06:42.37 | cladhaire | PhD is finally done |
| 06:43.07 | Iriel | Excellent! |
| 06:43.14 | Iriel | Does this mean you now have free time? |
| 06:43.16 | Iriel | or just more work time? |
| 06:43.30 | cladhaire | free time, thankfully |
| 06:43.35 | cladhaire | and a bit more work time, which is nice too =) |
| 06:43.44 | cladhaire | I would have loved to make it to Blizzcon, but alas I was going to the U.S. the next week |
| 06:43.51 | cladhaire | in retrospect that means I should have found a way to make it work |
| 06:43.53 | cladhaire | but I didn't = |
| 06:45.23 | Iriel | Scheduling is hard. |
| 06:45.34 | Iriel | I almost didnât make it either |
| 06:48.56 | cladhaire | Was it a good time? |
| 06:48.57 | cladhaire | <3 |
| 06:52.49 | Iriel | Yes it was - Overwatch! |
| 06:54.56 | cladhaire | So does it just feel like an awesome Unreal Tournament with Blizzard flair? |
| 06:55.47 | Iriel | Something like that, team fortress plus a few other things,.. Every class I tried was fun. |
| 06:57.09 | Mr_Rabies | the gamefeel looks very...satisfying |
| 06:57.09 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 06:57.21 | Mr_Rabies | every ability seems to do something really neat and powerful feeling |
| 06:57.24 | Iriel | The most devastating was playing Mercy paired with someone else as Bastion |
| 07:02.57 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 07:03.43 | Fisker | he cladhaire |
| 07:03.45 | Fisker | hey* |
| 07:04.14 | cladhaire | Fisker: hiya! |
| 07:05.17 | Iriel | Okay, Garrison chores done (Final mount tomorrow I hope) |
| 07:05.43 | cladhaire | I played WoW last night |
| 07:05.49 | cladhaire | I'm not sure if i want to play WoW again |
| 07:05.52 | cladhaire | I'm levelling in MoP |
| 07:05.54 | cladhaire | which is boring as hell |
| 07:05.58 | cladhaire | I hear WoD is fun |
| 07:06.04 | Iriel | I did that for a couple of weeks before WoD, it was okay. |
| 07:06.09 | cladhaire | but I also kind of want to do some knitting and programming and being more social with friends |
| 07:06.12 | Iriel | And then WoD hit, and itâs been really really fun. |
| 07:06.15 | cladhaire | and WoW would impact that |
| 07:06.18 | cladhaire | heh |
| 07:07.47 | Iriel | Sleep time for me - night! |
| 07:08.58 | Fisker | don't play wow unless it's with friends cladhaire |
| 07:09.06 | Fisker | Otherwise just crack |
| 07:09.10 | Fisker | I mean a timesink |
| 07:09.11 | cladhaire | I have some guildmates |
| 07:09.25 | Mr_Rabies | sooo |
| 07:09.36 | Mr_Rabies | there's no way out of grimrail depot if your hearth is down |
| 07:09.37 | Mr_Rabies | D: |
| 07:10.04 | Fisker | Are you going to be playing with them cladhaire? :P |
| 07:10.11 | Fisker | There is Mr_Rabies |
| 07:10.14 | cladhaire | probably |
| 07:10.48 | Mr_Rabies | how, fisker? |
| 07:10.51 | Fisker | That's a definite no within the constructs of social contracts |
| 07:10.56 | Fisker | Use the instance portal Mr_Rabies? |
| 07:11.36 | Mr_Rabies | there's no portal |
| 07:11.59 | Mr_Rabies | or well |
| 07:12.04 | Mr_Rabies | i can't get to it at least, if there is one |
| 07:12.35 | Fisker | Where are you? |
| 07:12.54 | Mr_Rabies | the "middle part" |
| 07:13.02 | Mr_Rabies | can't get out through the end or the beginning as far as i can tell |
| 07:13.10 | Fisker | That's silly |
| 07:13.36 | Mr_Rabies | i extended a lockout to get the quest item |
| 07:13.38 | Mr_Rabies | and welp |
| 07:13.45 | NuSuey | morning |
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| 07:18.23 | NuSuey | oh.. this is nice! I remember the work of Hai Phan from Rift - it was freaking amazing ..and he is now at Blizzard!? wow gj https://www.linkedin.com/in/haikai (for example http://41.media.tumblr.com/f66968a846e8923db9cb721e8f47792f/tumblr_mhitorMfH31s489wio1_1280.jpg) |
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| 08:09.49 | karl_w_w | ooh no scheduled maintenance today |
| 08:09.49 | karl_w_w | I'm ignoring the post on the forums because it isn't posted in the breaking news |
| 08:11.13 | Neffi | maybe they didn't break the story |
| 08:43.39 | karl_w_w | omg blizzarino let me do this getall without DCing |
| 08:47.32 | karl_w_w | nope, just not happening |
| 08:47.42 | karl_w_w | even 4 times is not a charm |
| 08:50.46 | karl_w_w | switch to fullscreen, works first tim |
| 08:50.47 | karl_w_w | e |
| 08:59.41 | Dagmar | it hasn't worked for me in fullscreen in about a week |
| 08:59.50 | Dagmar | you just got lukcy |
| 09:00.18 | karl_w_w | it usually works for me in either, i just switch to windowed if i want to alt tab while its processing |
| 09:04.32 | karl_w_w | how are engineering rocket boots still a thing |
| 09:06.59 | Semlar | they nerfed them into the ground |
| 09:07.32 | Semlar | holy crap i thought they couldn't backfire after they nerfed them but they just exploded on me |
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| 09:13.55 | Dagmar | ..and which branch of engineering are they... STILL? |
| 09:17.14 | Dagmar | Frankly I wouldn't feel safe standing next to a mechanical non-combat pet of gnomish design |
| 09:27.42 | karl_w_w | foxlit, masterplan doesn't suggest a 53% chance success epic follower with scavenger on a resources mission instead of a 100% chance epic non-scavenger |
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| 09:28.26 | karl_w_w | goblin things are the ones that explode Dagmar |
| 09:40.54 | Dagmar | No, they _both_ explode |
| 09:41.07 | Dagmar | GOblin engineering devices are simply _supposed_ to |
| 09:41.21 | nevcairiel | goblin things are meant to explode, gnome things just fail and explode |
| 09:41.29 | karl_w_w | explodes on Dagmar |
| 09:41.58 | Mr_Rabies | gnomish things don't always explode |
| 09:42.06 | Mr_Rabies | they may zap you, or teleport you to who knows where |
| 09:42.08 | Mr_Rabies | cutting edge stuff! |
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| 09:42.38 | nevcairiel | .. or explode! |
| 09:43.56 | karl_w_w | why are haswell refresh mobos so much more expensive |
| 09:44.41 | Fisker | Probably because of the addition of m.2, sata express and stuff? |
| 09:45.00 | karl_w_w | maybe that makes sense |
| 09:55.30 | mikma | cladhaire: maybe we should five you a boost to WoD :P |
| 09:59.14 | haste | I should start leveling soon |
| 10:01.05 | mikma | maybe we should give you a boost also |
| 10:05.54 | karl_w_w | if you were building a non-gaming desktop for a family member who's probably going to use it for a decade, would you put 4 or 8gb of ram in it? |
| 10:06.22 | Alram | literally a decade? |
| 10:06.27 | Alram | probably 8GB :v |
| 10:06.28 | Semlar | i'd put 8gb |
| 10:06.30 | karl_w_w | possible |
| 10:06.36 | Semlar | i wouldn't put 4gb in anything |
| 10:06.43 | Alram | i wouldnt put 4gb in my car |
| 10:06.45 | karl_w_w | it's replacing a 9 year old :P |
| 10:06.52 | karl_w_w | I wouldn't put 4gb in the bin! |
| 10:07.03 | Fisker | I wouldn't put gigabits in any memory slot |
| 10:07.14 | Fisker | But yeah |
| 10:07.17 | Fisker | 8GB |
| 10:07.33 | Fisker | I don't even think it's efficient to buy 4GB these days |
| 10:08.20 | karl_w_w | hmm, 1600 ram is the same price as 1333 |
| 10:08.51 | karl_w_w | and 1866 is only marginally more expensive |
| 10:11.03 | karl_w_w | I've always trusted kingston's memory products, but the fact that this stuff is called ValueRAM is very offputting |
| 10:17.17 | Mr_Rabies | eh, kingston valueram has been one of their brands forever, it basically just means it may not have the fastest timings (though nowadays that's barely true) and doesn't have all the fancy heatsink marketing crap that barely does anything |
| 10:18.07 | nevcairiel | its mostly just heat spreaders, not necessarily sinks as such (unless you go super high end), but they do serve a purpose |
| 10:18.36 | Mr_Rabies | it's pretty marginal at best for the most part |
| 10:18.45 | Mr_Rabies | in some cases actually worse, though probably not in kingston's case |
| 10:19.13 | Mr_Rabies | now if it's an assembly using fans and stuff, that's a totally different story |
| 10:19.44 | Mr_Rabies | probably still worth it to spend a bit more on corsair |
| 10:19.55 | Mr_Rabies | if you're going for longevity |
| 10:20.13 | Mr_Rabies | or crucial, or even slightly nicer kingston |
| 10:21.03 | Mr_Rabies | unfortunately the days of old ram being cheap seems to be behind us, it seems that as soon as the new stuff gets affordable the old stuff skyrockets in price |
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| 11:20.14 | karl_w_w | http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kQ4JRB dun |
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| 11:29.40 | karl_w_w | dont know if i should put some kind of gpu in it |
| 11:31.02 | karl_w_w | im thinking not |
| 11:32.10 | nevcairiel | the intel gpu isnt all that powerful, it may work for something like wow, but not very good |
| 11:32.47 | Fisker | Could throw in something like a 750 ti for light light gaming? |
| 11:35.39 | karl_w_w | that's like a 25% increase in total price Fisker |
| 11:36.52 | karl_w_w | if anything went in there it'd probably be a 730 |
| 11:37.11 | nevcairiel | thats not worth buying |
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| 11:45.06 | mikma | semlar: function Blizzard_RNG_Trinker(class) return 7; end |
| 11:45.15 | mikma | whoops, Trinket* |
| 11:45.44 | Semlar | i'm assuming items with the same item level are supposed to have the same item budget |
| 11:46.32 | Semlar | or at least one trinket out of a heroic shouldn't have nearly twice as much agility as another one out of a different heroic |
| 11:48.54 | Mr_Rabies | my 615 trinket, until today's trinket buffs, was showing as better than the darkmoon trinket on AMR |
| 11:51.03 | Semlar | i'm actually considering this http://wowhead.com/item=119927 pvp trinket as a potential upgrade |
| 11:51.17 | Mr_Rabies | trinkets are crazy in flux right now |
| 11:51.21 | Mr_Rabies | hang onto all you've got |
| 11:52.34 | Mr_Rabies | today's hotfix notes are gonna be insane |
| 11:52.59 | Semlar | introducing the skymall raid |
| 11:53.18 | Mr_Rabies | there's a guy in my guild named maulshee, and he goes by maul for short |
| 11:53.39 | Mr_Rabies | and on a day we were talking about stuff while roaming nagrand in a guild group |
| 11:53.56 | Mr_Rabies | he paused while talking about stuff and said "hi, maul" |
| 11:54.10 | Mr_Rabies | and i had the hardest time trying to figure out why he was saying hi to himself |
| 11:54.12 | Mr_Rabies | then it dawned on me |
| 11:55.39 | Semlar | i'm also intrigued by the fact that realm best times for challenge modes can be achieved by people who aren't from your realm http://us.battle.net/wow/en/challenge/dungeon/auchindoun/realm/wyrmrest-accord/#page=1 |
| 11:58.09 | Semlar | and that blood dks appear to be drastically overrepresented on here |
| 11:58.31 | Semlar | they must be op tanks right now |
| 12:06.21 | karl_w_w | more likely they are OP as tanks who dps |
| 12:08.30 | Semlar | could be |
| 12:09.14 | Semlar | if you look at the leaderboard for the region, deathknights make up like 90% of the tanks |
| 12:10.30 | Semlar | although this seems to be somewhat broken when trying to display the region |
| 12:11.22 | Semlar | well, it used to work :( |
| 12:12.20 | karl_w_w | maybe tryhards just play DK :P |
| 12:16.08 | Semlar | i think it's probably a combination of their healing, gripping, combat rezzing capabilities and dps |
| 12:16.29 | Semlar | and army |
| 12:16.46 | Semlar | i should make a deathknight |
| 12:18.44 | foxlit | and buy a boat. |
| 12:18.51 | Semlar | just kidding |
| 12:19.02 | Semlar | hunter master race |
| 12:29.11 | mikma | so i'm trying to provide data for StaticPopup, and it's not quite working.. anyone knows any working examples? :P |
| 12:29.36 | foxlit | talentui, mikma. |
| 12:29.40 | foxlit | mwha. ha. ha. |
| 12:30.13 | Semlar | tries to calm foxlit down |
| 12:32.48 | mikma | I have no idea what you meant by that, foxlit. the builtin talent ui? |
| 12:32.53 | foxlit | yes. |
| 12:34.44 | mikma | StaticPopup_Show("CONFIRM_UNLEARN_AND_SWITCH_TALENT", nil, nil, ... huh? nil nil? |
| 12:35.11 | Semlar | nil nil |
| 12:35.19 | foxlit | tries to calm Semlar down |
| 12:35.34 | Fisker | tries to calm everybody the fuck down |
| 12:35.54 | mikma | stop nil'n about it |
| 12:36.51 | sb | mikma: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/test/AddOns/Blizzard_TalentUI/Blizzard_TalentUI.lua |
| 12:36.53 | mikma | yeah, that did the trick. nil, nil .. |
| 12:37.09 | sb | nvm. |
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| 12:37.35 | karl_w_w | nils with Lopeppeppy |
| 12:38.33 | karl_w_w | I was going to say it's not bohring but then I remembered he has an E |
| 12:38.58 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:39.20 | Fisker | [13:37] --> Lopeppeppy has joined #wowuidev |
| 12:39.22 | Fisker | The timing |
| 12:40.12 | mikma | The Fisker |
| 12:41.20 | karl_w_w | Fisker, what is 16 hours from now in my time? |
| 12:41.51 | karl_w_w | 1pm! |
| 12:41.59 | Lopeppeppy | Bonjour happy people. |
| 12:54.29 | karl_w_w | hmm, thomas was alone 75% off |
| 12:58.53 | karl_w_w | and suddenly I own it |
| 12:59.30 | karl_w_w | all because the guy who made it said interesting things in a discussion |
| 13:10.44 | Constie | I've wanted to level Death Knights several times, but then HFP questing happens. |
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| 13:23.48 | jleclanche | the hs subreddit is fucking disgusting |
| 13:23.55 | jleclanche | all the whining about unreleased cards... |
| 13:25.08 | karl_w_w | jesus christ jleclanche, so many unecessary letters |
| 13:25.20 | karl_w_w | "the hs sub" |
| 13:29.06 | p3lim_ | so apparently there is a trick to add images to follower hyperlinks http://i.imgur.com/YEyUWM8.jpg |
| 13:30.19 | Fisker | welcomes p3lim_ into the 21st century |
| 13:30.21 | Fisker | :3 |
| 13:42.24 | karl_w_w | Fisker, i started thomas is alone and the menu doesnt have mouse control |
| 13:42.29 | karl_w_w | why didn't you warn me? |
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| 13:56.49 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.00 | Fisker | Gorian Arcanist follower has a perk against human |
| 13:59.24 | foxlit | cute, but false. |
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| 14:00.01 | nevcairiel | that wouldnt be the dancer trait on rulkan would it |
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| 14:00.05 | nevcairiel | because thats not a full cancel |
| 14:00.17 | nevcairiel | it only counts like.. half, i dunno |
| 14:02.53 | Fisker | Is he human or is he dancer? |
| 14:02.54 | foxlit | that is what it is, yeah. |
| 14:03.05 | Fisker | but why? |
| 14:03.38 | nevcairiel | i suppose they thought dancer would be too strong if it was a 100% cancel |
| 14:04.24 | Fisker | Oh because it's a trait instead of an ability? |
| 14:04.27 | Fisker | also it makes sense |
| 14:04.33 | Fisker | because skill is not a hard counter |
| 14:04.57 | nevcairiel | its not even a normal trait, it comes from this dance studio dealy |
| 14:05.06 | nevcairiel | cant randomly roll it |
| 14:05.08 | Fisker | Yeah I know |
| 14:05.32 | Fisker | but conceptionally it makes sense |
| 14:05.42 | Fisker | he knows how to avoid aoe because he's not shit |
| 14:05.43 | nevcairiel | i guess it has the same boost as any other trait would? |
| 14:05.50 | Fisker | But it's not a hard counter like an interrupt |
| 14:06.26 | nevcairiel | well the other counters for danger zones are like sprint and stuff, which arguably also require not to be shit :P |
| 14:07.14 | Fisker | who uses sprint for that? |
| 14:07.38 | nevcairiel | rogues |
| 14:08.16 | Fisker | Yeah but why? |
| 14:08.19 | Fisker | You can just move away |
| 14:09.04 | mikma | foxlit: hmmm... http://pbrd.co/12kGYt6 |
| 14:10.01 | nevcairiel | it prefers leo because he has a xp booster |
| 14:10.12 | nevcairiel | although 100% might be better |
| 14:10.29 | mikma | ohkiedohkie |
| 14:10.30 | foxlit | it assumes that you know some amount of probability and are roughly rational. |
| 14:10.53 | foxlit | which in retrospect probably needs a slider. |
| 14:11.02 | Fisker | Rationale slider? |
| 14:11.17 | mikma | sounds like a superlong slip'n'slide |
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| 14:11.44 | Fisker | Fisker -> Bat-shit insane -> Insane -> Challenged -> Reasonable -> Excellent? |
| 14:12.10 | Fisker | Oh darn I put it in the wrong order |
| 14:12.19 | mikma | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHu6LVg-0Hs |
| 14:12.54 | nevcairiel | Leeroy -> Average Risk -> Wus? |
| 14:12.57 | Fisker | Back when you could say "Remember when Mythbusters used to be good" |
| 14:13.45 | foxlit | I can't find a reasonable mapping, though |
| 14:13.48 | mikma | fisker: watch out the new season! it's 'back to basics!' |
| 14:14.07 | Fisker | I stopped mikma |
| 14:14.15 | Fisker | Their episode numbering is too hard for me to deal with |
| 14:14.24 | mikma | fisker: afaik the new season haven't even started yet? |
| 14:14.37 | Fisker | There's a season 14, dunno what season you're talking about |
| 14:15.04 | mikma | fisker: the season without the mini-mythbusters (kari, tori and grant got fired) |
| 14:15.42 | Fisker | O_O |
| 14:15.48 | foxlit | Basically, X ~ Y * bernoulli(p), and you'd want to define a function V(Y, p, q) that'd map into [0, E(X)] depending on p and q. |
| 14:16.15 | Fisker | why did they do that mikma? |
| 14:16.39 | mikma | fisker: no idea. |
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| 14:18.15 | Fisker | I'm not sure that'll solve anything though |
| 14:18.17 | foxlit | but letting q make V span the whole range, yet also be reasonable around high/low p values seems conflicting. |
| 14:18.19 | mikma | fisker: http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/a-farewell-to-m7/ |
| 14:25.23 | foxlit | for instance, if we take something silly like V(Y, p, q) = Y * p * q, it lets you specify your tolerance to risk in q: set q=0, and you're essentially pretending that you'll get no bonus rewards, ever; set q=1, and you're considering the normal expectation of bonus rewards. Problematically, q=0 also kills the case where p=1, i.e. you think your reward is 0 even though it's guaranteed to be Y. |
| 14:28.14 | foxlit | so maybe you could take V(Y,p,q) = Y * p * (p + (1-p) * q), which reduces the influence of q at high probabilities of success, but that is also problematic as now no value of q allows you to express "I prefer 100% success rate over 75% success rate and 16/9 rewards." |
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| 14:29.38 | foxlit | tries to calm Semlar down |
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| 15:16.27 | Torhal | tries to talk Semlar down from the ledge. |
| 15:16.44 | Semlar | jumps on torhal |
| 15:16.56 | Torhal | files a report with HR. |
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| 16:46.10 | Elkano | foxlit, is it intentional that MasterPlan ignores epic followers for XP missions when optimizing for success chance? |
| 16:46.26 | foxlit | it's not optimizing for success chance. |
| 16:46.59 | nevcairiel | I often get at least one epic in those missions, I guess the chance would just be too low otherwise |
| 16:48.55 | Elkano | well, it's a bit "strange" when a mission is listed with less than 100% chance of success even though I can get it to 100% |
| 16:49.26 | foxlit | the suggested group in expectation gains more follower experience than your 100% group. |
| 16:49.49 | nevcairiel | Assuming it succeeds :D |
| 16:50.23 | foxlit | no, not assuming it succeeds. "in expectation" has a specific meaning that precisely describes what's going on here. |
| 16:50.40 | Elkano | xp * chance of success |
| 16:52.29 | Elkano | or well, rather baseXp + missionXp*success |
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| 17:01.38 | tlund | What is the correct way to do getglobal() today? is getglobal("SomeButton"..x) the preferred way? |
| 17:01.48 | Torhal | Indie games giveaways every day until Christmas: http://advent-of-indies.com/2014/index.php |
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| 17:23.32 | jleclanche | are you fucking with me |
| 17:23.36 | jleclanche | i created a dk by mistake |
| 17:23.48 | jleclanche | now i have to go through the questline to delete it because LOL MAIL |
| 17:25.10 | NuSuey | lol haha |
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| 17:30.01 | Shirik | what do you mean lol mail? |
| 17:30.07 | Shirik | why do you have to go through the questline |
| 17:30.17 | Thunder_Child | No mailbox |
| 17:30.25 | Shirik | what does that have to do with deleting a character? |
| 17:30.26 | Thunder_Child | Can't delete chars with mail |
| 17:30.31 | Shirik | oh |
| 17:30.32 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 17:30.47 | Fisker | Could ask a gm |
| 17:31.20 | Thunder_Child | Might take longer. |
| 17:31.40 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 17:31.52 | Fisker | Doesn't require work though |
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| 17:35.40 | jleclanche | what a fucking waste of 15 minutes |
| 17:36.22 | Shirik | or you could just not delete it |
| 17:38.33 | tlund | I am trying to write a small addons that anchors the questtracker to below the party frames. (If there is only three party member, it will be higher up than if there are 5.) - I am having some problems interacting with Chinchilla minimap - in the "Position" modules (that I want loaded for other frames), it does a SecureHook(ObjectiveTrackerFrame, "SetPoint") and moves the frame back after my addon moves it. Any suggestions on how to properly interact with ... |
| 17:38.39 | tlund | ... this? |
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| 17:45.46 | tlund | can I remove another addons securehook? |
| 17:52.07 | nevcairiel | You cannot |
| 17:57.03 | Xuerian | tlund: _G["x"..x] |
| 18:01.57 | tlund | Xuerian: ok, thanks. |
| 18:02.15 | tlund | nevcairiel: hmm, ok. |
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| 18:06.45 | Shirik | tlund: I have no idea what you're doing, but if the answer is to directly interfere with another addon, then you are almost certainly asking the wrong question |
| 18:09.08 | Xuerian | jleclanche: I'm 99% sure you're aware there's a working mailbox in the open field, you don't have to do the _whole_ thing |
| 18:09.26 | tlund | Shirik: Yeah, I am doing an ugly hack just for myself :) |
| 18:09.27 | Xuerian | Granted you said 15 minutes so you are |
| 18:10.00 | jleclanche | Xuerian: yes |
| 18:10.13 | Fisker | lol tree of life jleclanche |
| 18:10.15 | tlund | After I have used :SetPoint() on a frame and set it relative to another frame - can I find out how it is positioned relative to UIParent instead? |
| 18:14.44 | jleclanche | Fisker: ? |
| 18:15.16 | Shirik | tlund: you could use things like GetLeft() on both UIParent and your frame |
| 18:15.26 | Fisker | restoore all characters to full health jleclanche |
| 18:15.30 | Fisker | new gvg card :P |
| 18:15.49 | jleclanche | oh shit |
| 18:15.50 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 18:16.14 | jleclanche | Soulfire now costs 1 (up from 0) |
| 18:16.17 | jleclanche | splort |
| 18:16.54 | karl_w_w | thank fuck |
| 18:18.11 | jleclanche | fucking clueless /r/hearthstone |
| 18:18.23 | tlund | Shirik: ah, thanks! |
| 18:18.27 | jleclanche | "DUH I DONT LIKE THE AUCTIONEER NERF" yeha, you like them 1mana spare parts? |
| 18:19.03 | Shirik | wow used to have a good card game |
| 18:19.09 | kd3 | ugh, I'd forgotten how annoying that drawing graphics primitives is |
| 18:19.35 | jleclanche | Auchenai + Tree of Life = everyone dies. |
| 18:19.35 | jleclanche | :D |
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| 18:57.44 | fewyn | battle.net login queue |
| 18:57.47 | fewyn | funfun |
| 18:58.55 | fewyn | maint extended for one hour |
| 18:59.11 | kd3 | ~wowalert |
| 18:59.11 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
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| 19:03.13 | karl_w_w | oh trinket hotfixes |
| 19:04.19 | karl_w_w | so the heroic trinkets are on budget, it's the ones below that that aren't? |
| 19:06.43 | Simca_ | the trinket hotfixes are purely nerf reversions as far as i can tell |
| 19:06.54 | Simca_ | 2 days after expac launch they nerfed a bunch of trinkets heavily |
| 19:06.59 | Simca_ | now they're undoing all of them |
| 19:11.48 | kd3 | oof, a 2-hour maintenance delay |
| 19:11.57 | fewyn | rip |
| 19:11.57 | fewyn | https://twitter.com/BlizzardCS/status/539859372646494208 |
| 19:12.31 | Dagmar | Simca: Someone's probably saying "whoops. We forgot to add enough trinkets" |
| 19:15.03 | Simca_ | darkmoon faire trinkets had ~175 of their primary stat at launch |
| 19:15.10 | Simca_ | then they were nerfed down to ~115 |
| 19:15.15 | Simca_ | now back to ~175 |
| 19:15.34 | Simca_ | up and down and up again; gotta be a fun market on those |
| 19:16.14 | Dagmar | Well, it's not like there's much _to_ that market |
| 19:16.42 | Dagmar | I didn't note _any_ trinkets dropping from heroic bosses for BM hunters |
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| 19:17.43 | Dagmar | They and a weapon are about the only thing keeping me at ilvl 630 |
| 19:21.30 | kd3 | anyone know what the over/under on instance server crashes tonight is? |
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| 19:51.34 | Primer | My bet is they're perfectly stable |
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| 20:02.43 | Dagmar | I suspect perhaps you underestimate the impact Highmaul opening up will add |
| 20:03.16 | Dagmar | ...although the rather free-wheeling deluge of users into Molten Core might well overshadow it |
| 20:04.02 | Dagmar | We're supposed to take a guild-run crack at it this weekend, but I'mma try and sneak in for some trash-clearing and a few gratuitous wipes before then |
| 20:04.41 | Dagmar | Wouldn't be the first time I've gone into a raid where the first rule was "IF WE GET THE BOSS to 5%. STOP CASTING AND DIE" |
| 20:05.56 | karl_w_w | jleclanche, why is this hobgoblin card a thing? |
| 20:06.06 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: which one is that? im still working |
| 20:06.10 | karl_w_w | do blizzard just hate everyone who doesn't play zoo? |
| 20:06.29 | karl_w_w | 3 mana 2/3, whenever you play a 1 attack minion give it +2/+2 |
| 20:07.11 | karl_w_w | 3/5 master swordsmith |
| 20:07.15 | karl_w_w | game was good |
| 20:08.21 | karl_w_w | 3/5 mana wyrm, 3/5 voidwalker, 3/4 echoing ooze |
| 20:09.28 | Primer | Anyone here a healer priest? Wondering if disc or holy would be better for raids at 100 |
| 20:17.38 | jnwhiteh | not even trying: http://imgur.com/pdb1Mkx |
| 20:18.04 | jnwhiteh | mikma: what do you mean five me a boost? |
| 20:18.40 | Dagmar | So... this'll probably get fixed soon, but... the Void Lantern hunters going after the spirit beast Gara will invariably pick up, gives the hunter about the same effect as an spriest. |
| 20:19.24 | Dagmar | Combine this with Camoflage... and the only thing people can see are the shadowy ribbons from your hands. The hunter becomes fairly invisible aside from nameplates |
| 20:19.47 | Primer | good thing I use nameplates |
| 20:20.16 | Dagmar | It'll let a hunter "hide" in an NPC pretty easily tho |
| 20:21.22 | Primer | NOT IF WE HAD SEMLARPLATES!! |
| 20:21.29 | Primer | Semlar ^^^^^^^ |
| 20:21.56 | Fisker | hmm jleclanche |
| 20:22.01 | mikma | jnwhiteh: meaning, we'll come and join you and we do massive amounts of instances together |
| 20:22.06 | Dagmar | Don't distract him. I'm looking forward to seeing what the devs will say when he mechanizes follower deployment |
| 20:22.18 | Fisker | I want if you could feign death a malorne if he would stay on the board and get into the deck as well? |
| 20:22.48 | Dagmar | I don't think he'll actually do that, but he's _so_ close to it. Master Plan is f**king awesome |
| 20:23.11 | g0urra | The Crew is all fun and games until you lose a gold reward because of some bullshit connection problem |
| 20:23.44 | karl_w_w | it's a game |
| 20:23.53 | karl_w_w | I should hope it's all fun and games |
| 20:23.58 | Dagmar | Yeah but gold level is damn hard |
| 20:24.17 | Dagmar | Technical interruptions turn fun into hated drudgery |
| 20:24.55 | foxlit | sort3(a,b,c) -> return a sorted permutation (d,e,f) of (a,b,c) such that d<e<f. |
| 20:24.58 | Dagmar | Heck, I'm holding off on my invasion until a couple of the other hunters in the guild get to 100 this week |
| 20:26.27 | jleclanche | Fisker: whats up? |
| 20:26.48 | Fisker | I wonder if you could feign death a malorne if he would stay on the board and get into the deck as well? |
| 20:27.09 | jnwhiteh | LDB DPS addon that is light |
| 20:27.37 | kd3 | hm, looks like blackrock foundry's opening on my birthday if my math is right |
| 20:27.54 | Thunder_Child | wine on mac is like the worst of both worlds. |
| 20:28.52 | xyphoid | invasions don't last long fyi |
| 20:28.58 | xyphoid | i was holding off on mine and it went away |
| 20:29.21 | Dagmar | It's like that billboard with the "new" wines on it, where there's clearly a red, a white, and a blush wine... and then a *yellow* and a *green* wine, and all you can think is "Mad Dog" |
| 20:29.35 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: Well I guess I'll round up some people tonight then |
| 20:29.54 | xyphoid | i wasn't paying attention but i think it was gone after 24hrs or so |
| 20:30.02 | Dagmar | APPARENTLY just keeping everyone relatively unhurt and all the buildings unmolested with three people isn't enough to get gold |
| 20:30.12 | Dagmar | Mine's been lit since Satueday |
| 20:30.27 | Dagmar | I just want to make a go of seriously trying for gold level |
| 20:30.28 | xyphoid | on the other hand it disappeared at the same time i got a new garrison campaign quest |
| 20:30.40 | xyphoid | which is weekly right? |
| 20:30.55 | Dagmar | I dont' know. I'm not really sure which ones those are |
| 20:31.02 | kd3 | I got ~990ish before getting all the bonuses for the buildings (which pushed me over 1000) and didn't get gold |
| 20:31.10 | Dagmar | I've just been flogging those damn mount training quests and my Inn dailies |
| 20:31.33 | Dagmar | Nothing else has really shown up other than invasion guy |
| 20:31.38 | xyphoid | http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=9491/the-garrison-campaign |
| 20:31.52 | xyphoid | basically you get one of those weekly [?] and they are short quest chains located in an apexis zone |
| 20:32.30 | Dagmar | Hmm... I'll have to have a chat with Bodrick when the servers come back up then |
| 20:33.04 | Dagmar | The only reason I've not finished all the Inn dailies is that without a massive caffiene intake, I'm only good for 3-4 instances a night |
| 20:33.30 | kd3 | queue specifically for the heroic, then do randoms until you're sick of it? |
| 20:33.54 | xyphoid | you can cheese the inn dailies by extending heroic lockouts |
| 20:33.55 | Dagmar | I don't really get sick of them, but I'm playing a hunter |
| 20:34.07 | Dagmar | There's so many things to keep an eye on after about three hours my brain starts turning to mush |
| 20:34.24 | Dagmar | ...at which point I will logout before I'll start playing like a huntard |
| 20:34.26 | xyphoid | i got the moroes yellow quest last night, did the instance, handed it in, and then got the moroes daily - so i flew over and grabbed the item out of the empty instance again |
| 20:34.38 | Dagmar | Sweet! |
| 20:34.45 | xyphoid | and i've been extending the same everbloom instance for a few days since i keep getting that daily |
| 20:34.54 | Dagmar | I am sick of peachicks |
| 20:34.59 | xyphoid | it doesn't work for grimrail though |
| 20:35.27 | Dagmar | I kinda of got used to the scenario system, which is much more like taking frequent breaks. |
| 20:35.47 | Dagmar | 15 minutes, nap. 15 minutes, nap. 15 minutes, nap. I can do six hours of that, no problem. |
| 20:36.30 | Dagmar | I was actually murdering the troll village you're not supposed to touch in Blood in the Snow without even noticing you aren't actually supposed to engage those guys |
| 20:36.34 | xyphoid | do you like lone wolf |
| 20:36.36 | xyphoid | i love lone wolf |
| 20:37.15 | Dagmar | The only reason I remember the name 'Blood in the Snow' is because there's snow. |
| 20:37.28 | Dagmar | They might as well have all been named 'mass murder spree' |
| 20:40.01 | Dagmar | Oh, you mean the MM abiltiy. I do not play MM. |
| 20:40.06 | Dagmar | <- BM4LIFE |
| 20:40.39 | Dagmar | The classic sniper thing appeals to me, in theory, but I prefer to not be taking blows, ever. |
| 20:41.01 | Dagmar | Even on my lock I'd fear juggle before I'd rely on armor |
| 20:41.51 | xyphoid | i was also BM forever but i'm really enjoying having no pet for a change |
| 20:42.29 | xyphoid | and moving while casting aimed shot is great |
| 20:42.39 | Dagmar | I really like the pet tho. The only thing I don't like is that the gorrila now makes the "I just dieded" sound at random timese |
| 20:43.02 | Dagmar | Every time it freaks me out |
| 20:43.19 | xyphoid | the only bad thing is no spirit bond |
| 20:43.30 | xyphoid | i have to use *food* sometimes it's so embarassing |
| 20:43.35 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 20:43.51 | Dagmar | Yeah I feel like I have to check to see no one is watching before I bandage my pet |
| 20:44.10 | Dagmar | I get him seriously beat up on a regular basis |
| 20:44.50 | Dagmar | Things got very out of control in the northeast of Nagrand the other night and I wound up with him tanking _two_ special spawns at the same time, and a whole crapton of wildlife in-between |
| 20:45.17 | Dagmar | Meanwhile, I'm just calmly playing "Shoot, Shoot Revolution" on the cooldowns. |
| 20:45.41 | foxlit | anyone with a hearthstone pro trait? |
| 20:46.59 | foxlit | (is that also only a 30% group xp bonus, or is it actually 35?) |
| 20:55.07 | Primer | That would require realms being up |
| 20:57.27 | tz | which is yet another 2hrs away |
| 20:57.46 | tz | (at least) |
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| 21:09.39 | karl_w_w | literally maintenance |
| 21:13.19 | Primer | well, so much for making 1PM |
| 21:13.43 | Primer | I'm still wondering what will happen to conquest. If those conquest quests in Ashran will get reset too. |
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| 21:27.53 | Maldivia | and now we wait... https://www.dropbox.com/s/nsppl7b4g8g6d0z/Screenshot%202014-12-02%2023.25.04.png :D |
| 21:28.11 | kd3 | ! |
| 21:33.38 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: nice! |
| 21:40.18 | mikma | maldivia: assmonkey |
| 21:41.56 | zenzelezz | I must be picky... neither Hearthstone nor Overwatch have got me interested |
| 21:44.33 | Thunder_Child | That would only be picky if you liked other card and/or whatever overwatch is types of games. |
| 21:45.12 | nevcairiel | Overwatch sounds interesting, but I reserve final judgement until I played it |
| 21:45.15 | Neffi | even then I dont think so. it's not like they look revolutionarily incredible |
| 21:45.29 | Neffi | just "that's kinda cool. maybe" |
| 21:47.15 | Thunder_Child | benefit of the doubt to blizz for making enjoyable games? |
| 21:47.33 | Neffi | pretty much |
| 21:49.19 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: its good |
| 21:52.56 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/DeH1sli.gif this gif opens up so many questions |
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| 22:05.48 | Dagmar | Well, it's starting to look like the over/under on the instance service is going to be called on account of repeated downtime extentions |
| 22:08.53 | Simca_ | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15355225379?page=12#225 I really want to post http://www.sadtrombone.com/ |
| 22:11.14 | Dagmar | RangerZ: Unfortunately, the police were just lying about it for months |
| 22:11.17 | Dagmar | @#$ wrong channel |
| 22:12.08 | Simca_ | yeah i bet that message was directed at #dagmarssecretcocainetrade |
| 22:13.47 | Neffi_ | Dagmar: did you bring enough to share with everyone? |
| 22:14.11 | Torhal | He needs it for the hookers and blackjack, Neffi_ |
| 22:14.33 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.38 | Dagmar | ADHD. |
| 22:14.48 | Dagmar | It might as well be confectioner's sugar to me |
| 22:14.50 | Neffi_ | but you still affectionately refer to it as nose candy |
| 22:15.02 | Dagmar | Because I used to hang out with a lot of club kids |
| 22:15.03 | Neffi_ | Torhal: can I get in on dat? |
| 22:15.15 | Dagmar | Actually confectioner's sugar would have more effect on me |
| 22:15.15 | Torhal | It's Dagmar's gig, Neffi_ |
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| 22:15.27 | Semlar | i doubt it |
| 22:15.34 | Dagmar | You'd be wrong. |
| 22:15.39 | Semlar | i don't think so |
| 22:15.40 | Neffi_ | I'll bring the whiskey. Semlar, get the cigars. |
| 22:15.51 | Dagmar | I actually had to do coke a couple of different times. No effect beyond a numb nose |
| 22:16.03 | Neffi_ | "had to" |
| 22:16.07 | Semlar | "coke" |
| 22:16.17 | Neffi_ | yeah bro pepsi is totally better |
| 22:16.24 | Semlar | it's true |
| 22:16.27 | Dagmar | Well, when a 6'3" 280lb guy says "You do this and I can trust you" with a serious look on his face... |
| 22:16.35 | Neffi_ | leaves to go see if he has any whiskey lying around |
| 22:16.36 | Arrowmaster | rofl http://youtu.be/UlA_YoTj27M |
| 22:17.08 | Dagmar | This isn't without precedent, actually. |
| 22:17.50 | Dagmar | heck one of my exes was given the wrong anti-depressant when she was about 8 years old, which basically burned out some neuroreceptors. End result: Some people were pretty wigged out when they tried to slip her some mdma and not a damn thing happend |
| 22:18.23 | Dagmar | It did however give her doctor a valuable clue that got her off lithium and onto something that worked |
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| 22:19.05 | znf | [00:17:56] 41 auctions created for [Draenic Intellect Potion]x20 800g 00s 00c per stack |
| 22:19.10 | znf | let's see if these things sell |
| 22:19.32 | Neffi_ | bah! only got white rum and wine in. why do you do this to me, Semlar |
| 22:20.18 | Dagmar | Who guys white rum? |
| 22:20.28 | Neffi_ | o.O |
| 22:20.30 | Dagmar | s/guys/buys/ |
| 22:20.35 | Neffi_ | wanna take another shot... yeah. |
| 22:20.39 | Arrowmaster | i didnt even know they made white rum, what is it? |
| 22:20.44 | Dagmar | Rubbing alcohol |
| 22:20.49 | Neffi_ | I dunno. Found it in some cabinet one day. |
| 22:20.51 | Dagmar | ...at least, judging by the taste |
| 22:20.55 | Neffi_ | I don't drink white licquor |
| 22:21.06 | Dagmar | OKay, _free_ hard liquor... that's a bit more understandable |
| 22:21.11 | Semlar | neffi you aren't supposed to drink things you find lying around |
| 22:21.12 | Neffi_ | Arrowmaster: just some Bicardi |
| 22:21.17 | Neffi_ | no fancy stuff |
| 22:21.31 | Dagmar | I prefer my rum as dark as possible to maximize the intake of evil and corruption |
| 22:21.32 | Neffi_ | I buy the fancy beer. Licquor's all the same shit to me, unless it's whiskey |
| 22:22.06 | Arrowmaster | i have scotch and beer in the house |
| 22:22.50 | Dagmar | It is a vile drink that turns even the most respectful men into a very happy people. |
| 22:22.56 | Neffi_ | I also found a liter of Georgi vodka, but I didnt that that's worth mentioning because it basically only exists to get hobos drunk on pocket change |
| 22:23.24 | Dagmar | Run it through a Brita filter nine or ten thousand times and it'll be quite drinkable. |
| 22:23.40 | Neffi_ | relatively, maybe |
| 22:23.55 | Neffi_ | the real trick is to guzzle it so fast that you get drunk before you notice the taste |
| 22:27.54 | Dagmar | I suspect that will lead to a second chance to taste it, very soon. |
| 22:30.15 | tz | ahh good old bogof vodka |
| 22:34.09 | zenzelezz | oh man, I must have gone three years back in time and logged on WoW... "anal [...]" going on in chat again |
| 22:34.56 | kullervo | zenzelezz: I think it happens a lot on my realm too, I just don't see it |
| 22:35.11 | kullervo | so many badwords in my spam catcher |
| 22:36.10 | Primer | what's all this talk implying realms are up!! |
| 22:36.12 | nevcairiel | i just dont go to general or trade anymore |
| 22:36.27 | nevcairiel | Primer: i can login right now! |
| 22:36.37 | Primer | lies |
| 22:36.43 | nevcairiel | no |
| 22:36.44 | Primer | I can't even login to us.battle.net |
| 22:37.27 | nevcairiel | i wanted to check on some auctions anyway |
| 22:37.40 | nevcairiel | hm bah noone wants to buy my stuff |
| 22:39.48 | nevcairiel | meh my barn also ran out of work again, and i cba to go trap stuff now |
| 22:39.49 | nevcairiel | oh well |
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| 22:49.41 | Simca_ | nevcairiel: i show all realms down unless you're talking EU |
| 22:50.01 | nevcairiel | of course I'm in the EU |
| 22:50.10 | nevcairiel | americans just need to learn they are not the entire universe :p |
| 22:50.36 | Dagmar | We're the bits that matter. |
| 22:50.51 | nevcairiel | and we are the bits that can play WoW right now :P |
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| 23:01.49 | Simca_ | ~alert |
| 23:01.50 | purl | I'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons... |
| 23:01.56 | Simca_ | ~wowalert |
| 23:01.56 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 23:02.43 | Dagmar | Wait... let me guess... another downtime extention |
| 23:02.56 | fewyn | haven't seen anything yet |
| 23:03.08 | tz | ppl are saying another 3hrs on other channels |
| 23:03.17 | fewyn | you'd think activating a raid wouldn't be this hard |
| 23:03.29 | Dagmar | It depends on if someone replaced the right disk |
| 23:03.34 | Simca_ | i hope it is another 3 hours |
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| 23:03.38 | tz | maybe they've got the team who handled oceanic armory on it |
| 23:03.39 | Simca_ | my raid would be cancelled |
| 23:03.58 | fewyn | i don't see anything yet on twitter |
| 23:04.00 | tz | my raid is in 10hrs, wonder if it'll last that long |
| 23:04.14 | Simca_ | tz: you raid at 4 am? |
| 23:04.24 | Dagmar | Someone may be getting written up if it does |
| 23:04.35 | tz | 8pm Aus East |
| 23:07.17 | fewyn | servers are u[ |
| 23:10.17 | Primer | they sure are u[ |
| 23:10.29 | fewyn | i have fat fingers :( |
| 23:15.43 | fewyn | getting stuck logging in to the game server |
| 23:18.09 | Primer | I'm seeing some servers up, but not all |
| 23:18.14 | Primer | namely the ones I have toons on |
| 23:20.01 | fewyn | is it just me or has blizzard really regressed compared to last expansion with stability? |
| 23:20.44 | nebula169 | just you |
| 23:20.56 | Mr_Rabies | there's a lot of new client:server tech they're working on |
| 23:21.00 | fewyn | i don't remember all these issues with mop |
| 23:21.02 | fewyn | but shrug |
| 23:21.39 | Mr_Rabies | the first night of raiding for MoP servers didn't come up until like 8pm EST if i recall |
| 23:21.55 | nebula169 | random extended maintenance with a new tier has always been a thing, the launch was pretty awful, though |
| 23:22.24 | nebula169 | dem ddos |
| 23:22.32 | fewyn | only launch mop issue i remember having was the 500000000 gyrocopters |
| 23:26.49 | Primer | Pondering putting Cyanogenmod on my Samsung S3 |
| 23:27.35 | Primer | All because I can't get the AT&T updater to STOP fucking texting me at 3AM then again at 7AM telling me that I need to run the OTA update, which fails because my phone is rooted |
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| 23:35.34 | Arrowmaster | and now amazon throws up another sale in response to funimations sale |
| 23:35.42 | Arrowmaster | there goes my bank account |
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