| 00:08.50 | Industrial | If i stack honor to 4k will it count in WOD? |
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| 00:30.16 | Primer | Industrial: crickets... |
| 00:35.13 | nebula169 | Industrial: they said they weren't resetting honor |
| 00:35.31 | Mr_Rabies | i think i still have leftover honor from cata |
| 00:35.32 | Mr_Rabies | :v |
| 00:35.38 | nebula169 | i know right? lol |
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| 00:51.34 | Industrial | watch https://www.youtube.com/user/BajheeraWoW, start pvping |
| 00:51.50 | Industrial | honestly i got back into wow cause this dude kept owning the place with his sham ;P |
| 00:59.09 | Mr_Rabies | i don't much like the wow pvp community |
| 00:59.19 | Mr_Rabies | i dont really like most competitive game communities in general |
| 00:59.50 | Mr_Rabies | no one does RBGs on my realm and i hate arenas with a passion |
| 01:10.16 | Xuerian | I enjoyed it before crossrealm, before it was cool. |
| 01:10.22 | Xuerian | adjusts his scarf. |
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| 01:14.31 | fewyn | woo |
| 01:14.31 | fewyn | i'm finally home |
| 01:17.07 | Constie | Are you, though? |
| 01:17.07 | Semlar | home is where the hearth is |
| 01:17.14 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Semlar |
| 01:17.14 | purl | drops a humongous exploding nuke on Semlar |
| 01:17.21 | Semlar | dies |
| 01:20.23 | fewyn | yes |
| 01:20.24 | fewyn | it took 2 hours to get home from the airport :( |
| 01:20.24 | fewyn | should have only taken 30 minutes |
| 01:20.24 | kd3 | ouch |
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| 01:40.24 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 01:40.27 | Mr_Rabies | i really need to find a name for my dwarf shaman |
| 01:40.38 | Constie | Steve. |
| 01:40.41 | Semlar | dwarfjesus |
| 01:41.00 | Mr_Rabies | most of my other alts are some kind animu thing but i can't think of any anime characters that could fit at all |
| 01:41.01 | Mr_Rabies | :< |
| 01:41.12 | Mr_Rabies | or comic book or anything, for that matter |
| 01:41.36 | Semlar | thor |
| 01:41.50 | Mr_Rabies | if i could be a human shaman, maybe |
| 01:41.58 | Semlar | lightning bolts, dwarf beard, no problem |
| 01:41.59 | Thunder_Child | shaminsuscienceu |
| 01:42.25 | Mr_Rabies | if i was making a female draenei shaman i'd probably try some variation on "korra" but i want to make a male dwarf :< |
| 01:43.53 | Mr_Rabies | aren't a lot of short and/or beardy dudes in fiction |
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| 02:44.08 | Mr_Rabies | oh man |
| 02:44.24 | Mr_Rabies | this is why there are no tanks |
| 02:44.42 | Mr_Rabies | dps idiots keep pulling for me in dungeons and expecting me to not let them tank everything they've pulled |
| 02:44.53 | Semlar | TANK HARDER |
| 02:46.08 | Mr_Rabies | trying to decide what's more fun, turning off righteous fury or leaving it on and constantly pulling their targets away from them |
| 02:46.25 | tz | molten core tanking rules |
| 02:46.28 | tz | you pull you tank |
| 02:46.39 | tz | just move on and instruct the healer to follow you |
| 02:46.48 | Mr_Rabies | they don't understand that either pallies are super squishy while leveling or that healing sucks while leveling now |
| 02:46.50 | Mr_Rabies | or something |
| 02:46.51 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno |
| 02:46.58 | Mr_Rabies | i've died a LOT to trash and i'm in the tanking heirlooms |
| 02:47.03 | tz | that said the healer is probably in dps gear too |
| 02:47.27 | Semlar | umm i'm pretty sure my tank could have soloed instances while leveling but that was before 6.0 |
| 02:47.34 | Semlar | so i don't know how much has changed |
| 02:47.50 | Mr_Rabies | i've died a TON to trash packs |
| 02:48.00 | Semlar | are you doing tanky things? |
| 02:48.09 | Mr_Rabies | there really aren't many for pallies |
| 02:48.21 | Semlar | are you sure about that |
| 02:48.22 | Mr_Rabies | shield of the righteous is about it |
| 02:48.34 | Semlar | what about the bubbly thing and the healy thing |
| 02:48.39 | Mr_Rabies | word of glory heals for like, 2% of my hp |
| 02:57.48 | Mr_Rabies | just wiped to trash |
| 02:57.51 | Mr_Rabies | because a dk pulled |
| 03:05.53 | fewyn | gg |
| 03:05.54 | fewyn | noob |
| 03:05.59 | fewyn | also fuck gamestop |
| 03:06.06 | fewyn | they arent doing a midnight release anywhere |
| 03:06.12 | fewyn | corporate said no |
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| 03:10.50 | Mr_Rabies | monk healer tells me to pull faster |
| 03:10.53 | Mr_Rabies | i do, druid dps dies |
| 03:10.55 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 03:11.16 | Mr_Rabies | this is why there are no tanks, guys |
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| 03:18.22 | Semlar | tank harder? |
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| 03:21.58 | Thunder_Child | tanks Semlar harder. |
| 03:22.22 | Semlar | you couldn't handle all of dis |
| 03:23.09 | Thunder_Child | Since that is not a word, I can indeed handle all of nothing. |
| 03:24.22 | Semlar | dis says otherwise http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dis |
| 03:26.44 | Thunder_Child | Yeaaaaa. maybe you should not be using not-dictionaries to prove your point. |
| 03:31.10 | Shirik | omg where is Cairenn |
| 03:31.17 | Shirik | she needs this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2YBmUkm3Uc |
| 03:34.35 | Thunder_Child | I would have said on her way back, but she didn't even go to Disney on sunday, so not sure. |
| 03:38.47 | kd3 | she left the hangout ~25 hours ago, last I saw from her was that she was on the flight |
| 03:43.42 | Semlar | um how is that not a dictionary |
| 03:43.47 | Semlar | it has dictionary right in the title |
| 03:49.44 | Semlar | oh lord, you can still make 0 castsequence macros if your class can self buff because you can just put something like !trap launcher in the sequence |
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| 03:59.32 | Mr_Rabies | oh boy |
| 03:59.38 | Mr_Rabies | teldrassil is being CRZed with stormrage |
| 03:59.43 | Mr_Rabies | all the starter quest mobs are dead |
| 04:01.49 | Mr_Rabies | standing here waiting on a mob to spawn |
| 04:01.58 | Mr_Rabies | while there are literally like 20 corpses of said mob in its spawn spot |
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| 04:06.48 | phelps | is there an easy way to know if a unit is an objective to a quest |
| 04:06.57 | kd3 | scan the tooltip |
| 04:07.02 | phelps | poop |
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| 05:13.14 | Arrowmaster | IM BACK! |
| 05:14.10 | karl_w_w | and that's when I developed my drinking problem |
| 05:14.48 | Arrowmaster | you missed out on blizzcon then, we had bottles of leftover liquor |
| 05:17.30 | karl_w_w | it was an airplane reference :( |
| 05:18.01 | karl_w_w | I'm both disappointed and entirely unsurprised that into the storm isn't a good movie |
| 05:18.31 | karl_w_w | I guess I'll have to watch twister |
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| 05:33.19 | Thunder_Child | karl_w_w: That movie could have been better with more humor. |
| 05:49.09 | adys | Arrowmaster: welcome back |
| 05:49.34 | nevcairiel | adys is back! long time no see! |
| 05:49.46 | nevcairiel | aww |
| 05:53.56 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: my hs simulator is nicely progressing again |
| 05:53.57 | jleclanche | https://github.com/jleclanche/fireplace |
| 05:53.58 | jleclanche | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:23.35 | nevcairiel | i dont really play hearthstone, but good job? |
| 06:23.35 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 06:25.04 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Foo. |
| 06:34.03 | Arrowmaster | what |
| 06:34.15 | Torhal | No clue. Sounded incoherent enough, though. |
| 06:35.03 | Arrowmaster | i need to open a ticket on amazon now, a manga i preordered arrived while i was gone and the front cover is completely mangled by the packaging |
| 06:36.18 | Semlar | a mangled manga? |
| 06:38.27 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 06:41.27 | Semlar | that's unfortunate |
| 06:42.22 | Arrowmaster | yeah my claymore 25 front cover is all bent up |
| 06:43.36 | Semlar | who shipped it |
| 06:43.54 | Semlar | or is it just how it was packaged in the first place |
| 06:45.37 | Mr_Rabies | amazon sucks at shipping books in general now |
| 06:46.31 | karl_w_w | wasnt amazon originally a book store? |
| 06:48.00 | karl_w_w | wikipedia says yes |
| 06:52.05 | Arrowmaster | yeah the cover got caught on the shitty cardboard not a box thing |
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| 07:00.15 | Arrow|phone | And the cable goes out as soon as I start downloading my backlog of missed shows for the week |
| 07:01.37 | Semlar | too many bits |
| 07:05.36 | Torhal | stabs Stanzilla. |
| 07:05.51 | Stanzilla | Torhal: why |
| 07:05.59 | Torhal | Page authors. |
| 07:06.08 | Torhal | They've only worked that way for years and years. |
| 07:06.55 | Stanzilla | oh ok |
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| 07:53.04 | Elmoe | is there a workaround with lua string.format using %s with unicode strings? for example format("%-3.3s", string) doesn't return 3 characters when the string is unicode |
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| 07:54.41 | Semlar | sub the string outside of format? |
| 07:55.14 | Elmoe | using something like match()? |
| 07:55.21 | Elmoe | what is the most efficient way in lua outside of format? |
| 07:55.32 | Semlar | i didn't even know format let you do that |
| 07:55.51 | Elmoe | yeah printf can format strings just like anything else |
| 07:56.06 | Elmoe | in C you can use the L hint |
| 07:56.10 | Elmoe | to work with multibyte characters |
| 07:56.18 | Elmoe | but I tried that in wow and it isn't supported |
| 07:56.43 | nevcairiel | you dont need wide strings to use unicode you know |
| 07:57.12 | nevcairiel | in any case, most Lua functions are not unicode aware, you'll need to come up with something of your own, or use something like http://www.wowace.com/addons/utf8/ |
| 07:57.19 | Elmoe | nevcairiel: in C I am used to doing like printf("%ls", unicodestring) |
| 07:58.32 | Elmoe | that utf8 addon is great thanks! |
| 07:58.36 | Elmoe | just what I needed |
| 07:58.39 | Shirik | lmao |
| 07:58.44 | Shirik | someone photoshopped in my aircraft http://sploid.gizmodo.com/call-the-avengers-the-pentagon-wants-to-make-helicarri-1656968348/+jesusdiaz |
| 07:59.40 | nevcairiel | the helicarrier looks much more impressive |
| 07:59.45 | Shirik | :( |
| 08:00.19 | Kalroth | aw |
| 08:00.38 | Kalroth | i think your aircraft is pretty, Shirik |
| 08:00.43 | Shirik | <3 |
| 08:00.54 | nevcairiel | the big one or the small drones? |
| 08:01.44 | Kalroth | the big one of course, he wouldn't waste time on drones! |
| 08:02.07 | Shirik | :( |
| 08:02.16 | Kalroth | oh |
| 08:02.38 | Kalroth | doesn't marvels agent of shield have some sort of super aircraft |
| 08:02.48 | Shirik | tbh all the problems have been solved on large aircraft, really |
| 08:02.56 | Shirik | unmanned aircraft are where the fun problems are |
| 08:03.15 | Kalroth | with several laboratories, a prison or two, few large offices, a garage and probably more |
| 08:03.31 | Shirik | the first company to reliably solve detect-and-avoid is going to get insanely rich, too |
| 08:03.39 | Kalroth | will you be responsible for future Amazon deliveries, Shirik |
| 08:03.46 | Shirik | fuck amazon |
| 08:03.52 | Shirik | they think they can do that in a few years |
| 08:03.57 | Shirik | they have no idea what they are talking about |
| 08:04.20 | nevcairiel | .. or you don't! |
| 08:04.20 | Kalroth | but drones are easy, you just have to set Drone.Collision = Collision.Off; |
| 08:04.21 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 08:04.36 | Shirik | it's not just "fly an aircraft from A to B". It's "what if your engine fails" "what if you are failing to get on course" "what if you stall" |
| 08:04.45 | Shirik | flying is the easy part, reacting to all the problems is not |
| 08:04.59 | nevcairiel | if the thing crashes they just send out a new one, since they can |
| 08:05.08 | Shirik | and when it crashes on someone's head? |
| 08:05.26 | Kalroth | just call them a terrorist |
| 08:05.41 | nevcairiel | Shirik: they have a sale on helmets |
| 08:06.22 | Kalroth | "Amazon crashes book delivery drone on Bin Ladens fifth cousin, kills everybody in the bus" |
| 08:07.01 | Kalroth | aren't those some of the same issues that unmanned cars are working on, Shirik? |
| 08:07.45 | Kalroth | handling unexpected events such as roads missing, road kill, engine exploding, etc. |
| 08:08.17 | Shirik | the thing about working on a car is you have a really cool backup plan |
| 08:08.20 | Shirik | you stop doing shit |
| 08:08.22 | Shirik | and it stops |
| 08:08.28 | Shirik | aircraft don't quite work that way |
| 08:08.49 | Kalroth | what if the car is in the middle of a jump, like the bus in Speed?! |
| 08:08.55 | nevcairiel | unmanned cars can also drive into people |
| 08:09.00 | Shirik | then it is not a ground vehicle anymore |
| 08:09.01 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, you're an aircraft engineer or something shirk? |
| 08:09.06 | Kalroth | fair enough |
| 08:09.13 | Mr_Rabies | shirk, lol |
| 08:09.24 | Mr_Rabies | i am king of keyboardings |
| 08:09.25 | Shirik | yes Mr_Rabies I write flight controls and FDIR software for unmanned aircraft |
| 08:10.09 | Kalroth | hey shirik i got a $50 hubsan x4 quadcopter can you please give me software that makes it autonomous without any sensors or cameras |
| 08:10.13 | Semlar | you know there are existing companies that make deliveries with drones |
| 08:10.30 | Kalroth | Semlar: they got college students controlling them |
| 08:10.41 | Mr_Rabies | i've been playing a game called war thunder lately, no clue if it's anywhere near your field of expertise, but i've been wondering something |
| 08:10.54 | Shirik | Kalroth: I can sell it to you |
| 08:10.58 | Semlar | you would pretty much always have to have someone monitoring them |
| 08:11.05 | Shirik | it's not quite at the $50 price range though |
| 08:11.10 | Mr_Rabies | is it bad damage modeling that some of the planes ascend for the heavens when their elevator is shot out, or is that really a thing |
| 08:11.17 | Kalroth | Shirik: well i can go all the way up to $75 |
| 08:11.51 | Shirik | seriously though there's apparently some software out there called ardupilot |
| 08:11.59 | Kalroth | Mr_Rabies: uhm, you're playing a game where the airplanes got elevators shooting out? |
| 08:12.11 | Shirik | it apparently works pretty well, but I haven't checked it out |
| 08:12.24 | Mr_Rabies | the back winglets are called elevators, kalroth |
| 08:12.29 | Mr_Rabies | on the tail |
| 08:12.39 | Mr_Rabies | and/or the flaps on them? |
| 08:12.40 | Kalroth | oh ok, so it's not an actual elevator |
| 08:12.46 | Kalroth | that'd be silly, i guess |
| 08:13.04 | Shirik | Mr_Rabies: to be honest, if you shoot out a plane's elevators it will probably just spiral out of control |
| 08:13.06 | Mr_Rabies | there probably are some bombers with bomb loading mechanisms you could call elevators |
| 08:13.19 | Shirik | most planes are intentionally built unstable |
| 08:13.31 | Mr_Rabies | most of the american planes have really suspect damage models in that game |
| 08:13.35 | Shirik | most unmanned aircraft, at least |
| 08:13.57 | Mr_Rabies | warplanes tend to be built pretty unstable in general as i understand it |
| 08:14.08 | Mr_Rabies | for better hairpin turns |
| 08:14.10 | Shirik | yeah the F-35 is virtually unflyable |
| 08:14.17 | Mr_Rabies | too stable means terrible turn radius |
| 08:14.18 | Shirik | the only reason it works is because a computer makes a ton of corrections |
| 08:14.45 | Kalroth | yeah, that's true for most modern airplanes |
| 08:15.08 | Semlar | so you're saying i could be a pilot |
| 08:15.23 | Kalroth | no, this is physically unstable, not mentally unstable! |
| 08:15.26 | Mr_Rabies | even pre-flight computers they weren't built to be very stable in the traditional sense |
| 08:15.29 | Semlar | oh |
| 08:16.02 | Kalroth | sure, Mr_Rabies, but that's in the nature of the airplane :) |
| 08:16.04 | Mr_Rabies | there's a reason airliners take forever to turn around, and that's that they're built for stability where warplanes aren't |
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| 08:16.19 | Shirik | but yeah most modern aircraft have a flight computer that tries to make you do sensible things |
| 08:16.25 | Shirik | like most modern aircraft refuse to stall |
| 08:16.56 | Kalroth | jet fighters want to be able to turn their aircraft like in Top Gun, so they give up a lot of stability |
| 08:16.59 | Mr_Rabies | my favorite thing to do in war thunder is what i call "the boondock saints maneuver" |
| 08:17.09 | Shirik | that's actually the primary cause of an Air France crash |
| 08:17.10 | Mr_Rabies | some jerk blows off my tail with a cannon so my plane goes into a flat spin |
| 08:17.15 | Mr_Rabies | and bullets just go EVERYWHERE |
| 08:17.28 | Shirik | They were in a stall, but the pilots were so convinced that the aircraft could not possibly stall they were just ignoring the warning |
| 08:17.30 | Shirik | until it was too late |
| 08:17.34 | Kalroth | ouch |
| 08:17.51 | Kalroth | talk about being overconfident |
| 08:18.02 | Semlar | too big to crash |
| 08:18.06 | Shirik | what they didn't realize is that an earlier failure had shifted it into an "alternate law" mode where it was more willing to allow pilots to input commands that it would not otherwise accept |
| 08:18.28 | Mr_Rabies | dang :| |
| 08:18.53 | Semlar | so the plane has an outlaw mode |
| 08:18.57 | Kalroth | i would have a hard time trusting software .. of course i'm also a developer, so i know how shitty 99% of all software is |
| 08:19.16 | Mr_Rabies | do you work on unmanned stuff for military/defense contractor or private sector/hobby stuff, shirik? :o |
| 08:19.22 | Shirik | basically all 3 pitot tubes froze over, so the autopilot autonomously disconnected and alarmed because it had no airspeed indication, and then entered alternate law |
| 08:19.34 | Shirik | The pilots took control immediately, which was great, but for some reason they decided to ascend |
| 08:19.52 | Shirik | eventually they were pitched up so much that they went into a stall |
| 08:19.54 | Semlar | YOU SEEM AWFULLY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT CRASHING PLANES SHIRIK |
| 08:20.01 | Mr_Rabies | i'd hope so |
| 08:20.18 | Semlar | is there something you want to tell us |
| 08:20.21 | Shirik | Mr_Rabies: primarily military |
| 08:20.36 | Mr_Rabies | his entire job is working to avoiding that exact thing |
| 08:20.44 | Shirik | Semlar: Half of my job is trying to figure out every way things can go wrong, so that I can design systems that counteract that, so yes, I do research crashes a lot :) |
| 08:21.02 | Kalroth | i watched the documentary series 24 where someone hacked the military and took command of like 20 killer drones |
| 08:21.13 | Kalroth | it was a good thing jack bauer stopped the bad guys |
| 08:21.32 | Kalroth | you guys should secure your killer drones with better software |
| 08:21.46 | Shirik | did you see the one show, I think it was CSI, where some terrorist took control of a predator, and at the last second they managed to cut the communications link to the aircraft, and it immediately dove into the ocean? |
| 08:21.53 | Semlar | yeah i bet an unmanned drone couldn't replace jack bauer |
| 08:21.58 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 08:22.01 | Shirik | Because that's totally what happens when communications drops. Nosedive immediately. |
| 08:22.06 | Shirik | Yup. |
| 08:22.21 | Kalroth | the predator goes "welp, no comms for 1 second, better cut power!" |
| 08:22.22 | Mr_Rabies | but jack bauer can replace good voice actors :( |
| 08:22.38 | Semlar | hey it might be designed to crash if it loses a signal |
| 08:23.02 | Kalroth | sure, after a while |
| 08:23.12 | Mr_Rabies | some say that military drones are controlled by the souls of japanese kamikaze pilots from wwii |
| 08:23.26 | Semlar | who says that |
| 08:23.47 | Semlar | what else do they say |
| 08:23.48 | Kalroth | i read that kamikaze pilot weren't really heroic, they were bullied into it |
| 08:24.03 | Mr_Rabies | also frequently drugged |
| 08:24.11 | Kalroth | no wonder they crashed a lot |
| 08:24.21 | Semlar | sober enough to fly a plane apparently |
| 08:24.25 | Shirik | I wonder if their family got some kind of benefit when the pilot died |
| 08:24.36 | Kalroth | Shirik: no, but they got the promise |
| 08:24.39 | Mr_Rabies | the japanese honor system in their imperial period was a bit out of sorts |
| 08:25.13 | Mr_Rabies | sacrificing yourself to protect the empire was seen as a good thing almost regardless of context |
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| 08:26.10 | Mr_Rabies | it's basically why the nukes happened |
| 08:26.37 | Kalroth | thats the US excuse, yes |
| 08:26.47 | Mr_Rabies | it took truly overwhelming odds to cause the empire's morale to fade even in the face of certain defeat anyway |
| 08:27.36 | Shirik | by the way, Kalroth hit the nail on the head: I HAVE written code that intentionally crashes aircraft. But just a comms loss wouldn't be enough to do that. And DEFINITELY not only 1 second of comms loss. |
| 08:27.59 | Kalroth | That'd be insanely expensive :P |
| 08:27.59 | Shirik | There is no scenario with only a single failure, though, where we would intentionally crash an aircraft. |
| 08:28.52 | Kalroth | Imagine using a piece of software that shuts down right after connection failure - now imagine using the software over a 2G connection with 25% signal strength |
| 08:34.36 | p3lim | Semlar: that used to be a very fine line |
| 08:34.55 | Mr_Rabies | seems like chat in nagrand is broken |
| 08:34.58 | Mr_Rabies | that or an addon is breaking it |
| 08:35.06 | Shirik | I never really liked the term "fine line" |
| 08:35.07 | Semlar | why not both? |
| 08:35.40 | p3lim | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqwMDEMSQhw |
| 08:35.43 | Shirik | I feel like "fine line" should just mean "very well defined" as in "it's not possible to be in the middle of the line" |
| 08:37.05 | Semlar | that doesn't really roll off the tongue shirik |
| 08:37.09 | p3lim | mmm getting a new mousepad today |
| 08:39.17 | Mr_Rabies | seems like no, it's not an addon |
| 08:39.21 | Mr_Rabies | turned mine off, still doing it |
| 08:41.08 | Semlar | doing what |
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| 09:15.14 | Mr_Rabies | trade chat in nagrand (outland) and i'm gonna assume Shadowmoon Valley (Outland) is broken right now |
| 09:17.12 | Semlar | you have trade chat in nagrand? |
| 09:18.45 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 09:18.46 | Mr_Rabies | general chat |
| 09:19.08 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish they'd just make a global chat channel of some sort :( |
| 09:19.37 | karl_w_w | lfg |
| 09:22.04 | Mr_Rabies | There's really no good reason General Chat shouldn't be available in every zone |
| 09:22.07 | Semlar | maybe it's just me but i have essentially no interest in communicating with anyone else on my server outside of my guild |
| 09:22.09 | Mr_Rabies | like, a linked one |
| 09:22.40 | Mr_Rabies | seems common with you addon authors, my guess is all the terrible people you have to deal with on your addon comment pages |
| 09:22.42 | Kalroth | i like the barrens chat, a lot of like-minded players there |
| 09:23.03 | Kalroth | i also like chuck norris jokes |
| 09:23.39 | Semlar | tries to calm kalroth down |
| 09:24.08 | Kalroth | where's mankirks wife???? |
| 09:24.18 | Semlar | she dead |
| 09:25.35 | Mr_Rabies | i asked that A LOT during the uh |
| 09:25.40 | Mr_Rabies | pre-SoO patch stuff |
| 09:25.50 | Mr_Rabies | i'm alliance |
| 09:26.59 | Semlar | my map is almost unusable because it's covered in area labels and i can't be bothered to turn off my addon |
| 09:28.12 | Constie | I'm considering turning zone chat on for WoD leveling. |
| 09:29.59 | Mr_Rabies | i go for the subtle troll |
| 09:30.17 | Mr_Rabies | like back when "heals can't crit" was a bit of a meme i'd always ask "how much crit do i need on a holy pally" |
| 09:30.51 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/KjaivyR.jpg |
| 09:31.51 | p3lim | That thing needs a toggle somewhere |
| 09:32.16 | Semlar | i had to limit it to maps under a certain size because if you zoomed out to the continent level it tried to draw everything at once |
| 09:33.30 | Mr_Rabies | Semlar has activated TRON MODE |
| 09:34.39 | Semlar | it would need to filter areas based on the zoom level and their size or something |
| 09:34.50 | Semlar | and not draw the lines |
| 09:35.32 | Semlar | it's interesting to use though because i didn't even know some of these areas had names |
| 09:37.57 | Mr_Rabies | now that you can zoom the map, you could set it to only turn on at certain zoom levels depending on map size, no? or can you not tell how zoomed you are? |
| 09:38.11 | Semlar | it can |
| 09:38.20 | Semlar | you can't zoom the map all that much though |
| 09:39.01 | Mr_Rabies | could also perhaps only draw zones that are x*y coordinates large if you wanted to make it less spammy |
| 09:39.12 | Mr_Rabies | (if that's possible) |
| 09:39.27 | Semlar | well i have the radius of each area |
| 09:39.49 | Semlar | which is how i was originally filtering it |
| 09:41.14 | Mr_Rabies | could make the names of subzones below a certain size only pop in at certain zoom levels and stuff, if you wanted, maybe |
| 09:41.55 | Semlar | since you can't zoom that much in the default interface, that would be better if you changed how it zoomed |
| 09:42.12 | Semlar | otherwise it would have to be kind of sensitive |
| 09:43.14 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/Pd3Ix0y.jpg |
| 09:45.01 | Semlar | it pretty much breaks the game trying to draw that many regions at once |
| 09:46.01 | Semlar | also it bothers me that they used a slightly different shade of blue for some of these ocean tiles |
| 09:47.23 | Semlar | around hrothgar's landing and off the left of borean tundra |
| 09:47.44 | Semlar | and south of dragonblight |
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| 09:51.01 | Mr_Rabies | each zone is created independently then slapped together and cleaned up, entirely possible the cleanup process is more lax out in the far ocean |
| 09:51.13 | Mr_Rabies | especially on the minimap layer |
| 09:51.28 | Semlar | they probably didn't even notice consider isle of thunder still doesn't have water |
| 09:51.29 | Mr_Rabies | er, minimap capture pass or whatever |
| 09:51.37 | Semlar | considering* |
| 09:52.24 | Semlar | it would also be pretty hard to notice using the normal minimap anyway |
| 09:52.53 | Semlar | you'd have to be out in the middle of nowhere for one thing |
| 09:53.35 | Semlar | i think they probably made the area around hrothgar's landing darker for a reason |
| 09:57.06 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/S7XQojj.jpg |
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| 10:32.43 | mikma | semlar: damn, looking awesome |
| 10:33.09 | Mr_Rabies | i've made a huge mistake |
| 10:33.21 | Semlar | i'm thinking maybe just mark areas with a little icon that you can hover over for info |
| 10:33.25 | Mr_Rabies | started eating a huge granny smith apple and then opened a bottle of apple cider |
| 10:33.45 | Mr_Rabies | i like apples but i think i've reached peak apple mass |
| 10:34.09 | Mr_Rabies | er, critical apple mass |
| 10:34.18 | Semlar | i hope your core doesn't melt down |
| 10:34.21 | Mr_Rabies | i'm really good at typing different things than i'm thinking |
| 10:34.30 | mikma | semlar: onmouseenter -> show border? |
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| 10:34.47 | Semlar | something like that |
| 10:35.28 | Semlar | you don't need labels for everything but it would be good to see where things are |
| 10:46.50 | Mr_Rabies | oh lordy too many apples |
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| 11:28.18 | karl_w_w | don't try to define things with your labels Semlar |
| 11:28.40 | Semlar | labels karl_w_w |
| 11:32.33 | jleclanche | if anyone around is interested in hearthstone simulation, theorycrafting or reverse engineering I'll be opening #hearthsim soon. |
| 12:11.55 | karl_w_w | the /. |
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| 13:40.13 | Fisker | picks up speed |
| 13:40.30 | Kalroth | dont do drugs |
| 13:40.38 | Fisker | Not that kind of speed |
| 13:40.59 | Industrial | leaves a trail |
| 13:41.01 | Fisker | circles the earth a couple of times before hugtackling into Lopeppeppy |
| 13:41.18 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah! |
| 13:41.28 | Lopeppeppy | I'm glad to see everyone mostly survived Blizzcon. |
| 13:41.44 | Fisker | I'm definitely in the "mostly" category |
| 13:41.50 | Fisker | stupid flights |
| 13:42.04 | Fisker | They should be paying us for it |
| 13:42.48 | karl_w_w | I once paid a guy for a flight |
| 13:42.55 | Lopeppeppy | Torture devices, those airplanes. |
| 13:43.32 | karl_w_w | you get to sit still for hours, have somebody else wait on you, and watch a bunch of semi-random movies |
| 13:43.37 | karl_w_w | what's wrong with that?! |
| 13:44.05 | Lopeppeppy | I thought you said "sit on you". That would be wrong. |
| 13:45.37 | Fisker | Who's waiting on me? |
| 13:45.48 | Fisker | Also not to mention people falling asleep and using you as a pillow |
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| 13:49.20 | Kalroth | I'll wait on you, Fisker |
| 13:52.16 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew. People. |
| 13:52.57 | Kalroth | People? Don't you mean future soylent green? |
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| 14:20.34 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/zCXA9bE |
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| 14:40.38 | karl_w_w | i started talking about that scene the other day |
| 14:40.52 | karl_w_w | and the guy I was talking to had never seen terminator 2 |
| 14:41.09 | karl_w_w | I forgot there are people like that in the world |
| 14:41.13 | karl_w_w | just walking around |
| 14:41.19 | karl_w_w | never having seen T2 |
| 14:46.40 | mikma | has he seen TF2? |
| 14:59.12 | Constie | Terminator 2 came out 23 years ago. |
| 15:10.53 | karl_w_w | and the sun has been out for 4.5 billion years |
| 15:21.37 | mikma | karl_w_w: http://i.imgur.com/B5f5c3P.jpg |
| 15:35.29 | karl_w_w | syntax error mikma |
| 15:36.07 | karl_w_w | you can't just go around start sentences with "but" |
| 15:37.28 | karl_w_w | bloody socialists |
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| 15:40.25 | Thunder_Child | Arrow|phone Don't forget to grab the CAH holiday bullshit. |
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| 15:44.26 | Fisker | He did Thunder_Child |
| 15:44.36 | Fisker | He ordered it at Blizzcon |
| 15:49.32 | rid_ | CAH? |
| 15:50.14 | pompy | Cards Against Humanity |
| 15:50.42 | rid_ | oh right |
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| 16:35.58 | Ressy | Morning all :) |
| 16:37.36 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Ressy. |
| 16:37.55 | Lopeppeppy | It's Kwanzzawhatever this year. Ordered it yesterday! |
| 16:39.55 | Constie | Good morning! |
| 16:40.16 | Ressy | Hai Constie! :D |
| 16:40.49 | Fisker | hey Ressy |
| 16:40.58 | Ressy | Fisker you teddy bear. :P |
| 16:41.10 | Fisker | damnit |
| 16:41.21 | Fisker | I'm gonna get Unkle for that one |
| 16:41.32 | Ressy | hehe |
| 16:41.37 | Fisker | becomes Victor von Doom |
| 16:41.50 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle must answer to MEEEEE! Bwah-ha-ha. |
| 16:42.04 | Fisker | \o/ |
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| 16:44.52 | Lopeppeppy | He would not deliver cookies. He's in trouble. |
| 16:50.13 | Fisker | Not to mention the teddybear thing |
| 16:56.03 | Ressy | lol |
| 17:03.00 | Fisker | also Ressy made faces at me :( |
| 17:05.04 | Ressy | I made faces at a lot of people. :) |
| 17:05.56 | Fisker | Ah so you're just generally rude |
| 17:05.59 | Fisker | :D |
| 17:06.04 | Ressy | LMAO |
| 17:06.50 | Fisker | Just kidding of course, was nice meeting you :P |
| 17:09.48 | Shirik | https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyprogramming/comments/2lqqsi/protip_how_to_speed_up_your_c_programs/ |
| 17:09.57 | Ressy | Ditto :P |
| 17:10.24 | Shirik | it was nice meeting you too Fisker |
| 17:10.29 | Fisker | Nah it wasn't Shirik |
| 17:10.32 | Fisker | You weren't even there :( |
| 17:10.40 | Fisker | Only your coworker thing |
| 17:10.42 | Shirik | maybe I was a ninja o.o |
| 17:10.47 | Shirik | maybe I was that guy |
| 17:10.48 | Shirik | from Boeing |
| 17:10.51 | Fisker | You weren't |
| 17:11.01 | Fisker | He wasn't del buono enough to be you |
| 17:12.05 | Lopeppeppy | I shall be very jealous soon. |
| 17:12.19 | Fisker | You already should be jealous |
| 17:12.34 | Fisker | Cairenn got to hug me so many times I'm a teddybear in every aspect BUT NAME Ressy |
| 17:12.50 | Ressy | uh huh |
| 17:14.32 | Lopeppeppy | Totally jealous of Fisker-hugs. |
| 17:15.16 | fewyn | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ln3qFaXRzE |
| 17:15.20 | fewyn | oh god what did i just watch |
| 17:17.04 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/Uz4oZK8.jpg <-don't wear your watches too tightly when going warm places btw |
| 17:17.19 | fewyn | i did that once |
| 17:17.26 | fewyn | i also had the same thing happen |
| 17:17.38 | fewyn | it hurt like hell |
| 17:26.47 | mikma | fisker: emo QQ wrists |
| 17:33.04 | mikma | shirik: the guy from boeing, you mean Mr. Hands? |
| 17:46.32 | karl_w_w | yaaaas ETS2 patch |
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| 18:05.08 | Constie | There's also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWlH8PTijzA |
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| 18:35.59 | Shirik | is it really bad that I recognized that as coming from tokyo mew mew? |
| 18:36.33 | Stanzilla | TIL: Fisker is hairy |
| 18:36.36 | Shirik | least I'm pretty sure it's not sailor moon |
| 18:37.21 | Fisker | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jbWzr726rs Stanzilla |
| 18:37.55 | karl_w_w | well considering they say sailor moon in the background music Shirik :P |
| 18:38.36 | Stanzilla | Fisker: nice |
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| 18:39.33 | Shirik | not any sailor moon music I remember ._. |
| 18:39.55 | karl_w_w | i dont remember any, i just saw it in the comments :P |
| 18:40.06 | karl_w_w | south park on micro transactions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS4VRbsjZrQ |
| 18:44.32 | jleclanche | second quick call: I'm going to be opening #hearthsim for all theorycrafting, simulation and reverse engineering discussions on hearthstone. hop in if you're interested |
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| 18:45.31 | Thunder_Child | jleclanche: While you are at it, can you do MTG as well? |
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| 18:52.55 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: um, dont see why not :p |
| 18:53.12 | jleclanche | i mean this channel is as much about wow ui development as it is about jonathan coulton so |
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| 18:58.01 | karl_w_w | that's not true |
| 18:58.10 | karl_w_w | I don't even know what a jonathan coulton is |
| 18:58.53 | Thunder_Child | ~lart karl_w_w |
| 18:58.53 | purl | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags karl_w_w into court suing for $200 million |
| 19:19.47 | jleclanche | wow this exploded |
| 19:19.49 | jleclanche | https://pay.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2lylai/groupon_is_trying_to_acquire_the_gnome_trademark/ |
| 19:20.03 | jleclanche | gnome.groupon.com is down |
| 19:20.25 | Thunder_Child | Yea, There was even a global irc announcement. |
| 19:20.33 | jleclanche | when? |
| 19:20.34 | Thunder_Child | at 4AM pst. |
| 19:20.46 | kd3 | [RichiH] [Global Notice] The GNOME foundation has been forced to defend its trademark against Groupon. This goes beyond just GNOME; this is about the FLOSS community showing the corporate world that our trademarks will be defended; not just by specific victims, but by all of us. Our stance can be found at http://blog.freenode.net/2014/11/helping-gnome-defend-its-trademark/ while GNOME's can be found at http://www.gnome.org/groupon/ |
| 19:20.50 | Thunder_Child | ^ |
| 19:20.54 | Thunder_Child | Beat me to it. |
| 19:20.56 | fewyn | what the fuck is even gnome.groupon.com anyways? |
| 19:21.04 | Thunder_Child | it's a pos device. |
| 19:21.09 | Thunder_Child | (point of sale_ |
| 19:21.11 | Thunder_Child | )* |
| 19:21.28 | fewyn | what the fuck |
| 19:21.30 | fewyn | seriously |
| 19:21.37 | jleclanche | ~freenode++ |
| 19:22.20 | Fisker | And apparently they're backing down? |
| 19:22.33 | jleclanche | they say they are |
| 19:22.49 | Fisker | There's no way in hell they didn't know what they were getting into |
| 19:24.00 | Fisker | The amount of devs they have on that project not knowing about gnome would be 0% or less |
| 19:24.00 | Thunder_Child | Yes there is. |
| 19:24.14 | Fisker | Should be* |
| 19:24.15 | Thunder_Child | And they would have how much of a say in anming it? |
| 19:24.19 | Thunder_Child | naming* |
| 19:24.35 | jleclanche | they said they have been in contact with the gnome foundation "for months" |
| 19:24.40 | Fisker | None? |
| 19:25.01 | kd3 | https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2lylai/groupon_is_trying_to_acquire_the_gnome_trademark/clzhqz3 |
| 19:25.22 | Thunder_Child | They are absolutly going to lose. gnome already has ~$60K |
| 19:25.37 | Thunder_Child | It was ~$20K ~30 min ago. |
| 19:25.41 | Fisker | Yeah kd3 |
| 19:25.44 | Thunder_Child | When I looked. |
| 19:25.53 | kd3 | if they didn't think for a second that fsf/google/red hat aren't going to open their warchests for this... |
| 19:25.58 | Fisker | I agree with that :P |
| 19:26.12 | Fisker | Also trying to make the gnome guys look unreasonable |
| 19:26.19 | Fisker | By saying that |
| 19:26.25 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: its an absolutely beautiful feat of the foss community coming together on this |
| 19:26.45 | jleclanche | ive never seen people unite over something so fast and so readily |
| 19:26.55 | jleclanche | let alone raise 60k in a few hours |
| 19:27.31 | Fisker | Now if only we could do the same with stuff like vaccines, sexism in games, etc. |
| 19:27.51 | jleclanche | vaccine against sexism! |
| 19:27.54 | Fisker | Think how many stupid disputes wouldn't exist anymore |
| 19:27.57 | Fisker | lol |
| 19:28.01 | Constie | Vaccine against games. |
| 19:28.22 | jleclanche | Constie: that's just called being a game dev |
| 19:28.23 | Thunder_Child | They would just make new stupid ones to fill the void. |
| 19:28.30 | Fisker | Maybe |
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| 19:46.44 | Semlar | is it possible to hide the cursor |
| 19:47.03 | Thunder_Child | Doesn't ctrl + z do it? |
| 19:47.07 | Semlar | SetCursor doesn't seem to let me use a custom file path |
| 19:47.23 | Thunder_Child | or whatever the picture mode is. |
| 19:47.36 | Semlar | alt+z does not hide the cursor |
| 19:47.53 | nevcairiel | move it offscreen |
| 19:48.07 | Semlar | i want to HIDE the cursor model while it's over my frame |
| 19:48.32 | Thunder_Child | I feel like the mouse would be something that is protected. |
| 19:48.33 | Semlar | the game hides the cursor when you hold the mouse down, so there's possibly a valid cursor with no image |
| 19:49.10 | Semlar | doing SetCursor('') just makes it a black box |
| 19:49.29 | nevcairiel | cant you use a fully transparent whatever |
| 19:49.37 | Semlar | it won't load my texture |
| 19:49.49 | Semlar | as far as i can tell it doesn't take a texture path |
| 19:51.03 | Semlar | it only takes like "NORMAL_CURSOR" |
| 19:52.53 | Semlar | i'm not sure where this list is defined |
| 19:53.27 | Semlar | wowprogramming has a list but i want to see if there are more options for it |
| 20:06.44 | Semlar | so you can't turn the cursor into resize handles or anything if you can't use a custom texture path.. |
| 20:07.21 | Semlar | i guess i'll just have to settle for one of the existing cursors |
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| 20:12.35 | Semlar | what! you can set the cursor with a path to something in the cursor folder, just not your own texture |
| 20:12.45 | Semlar | maybe it has to be a specific format |
| 20:13.30 | Constie | Why are you hiding the cursor? |
| 20:14.20 | Thunder_Child | He is an ass. |
| 20:14.41 | Semlar | i want to display resize handles on the edge of my frame |
| 20:15.10 | Semlar | and the only way to lock them to the edge of the frame would be to hide the cursor, or failing that at least set the cursor to something resembling a resize handle |
| 20:16.31 | Semlar | so far i've figured out how to set it to a fish |
| 20:16.47 | Semlar | i guess that's an acceptable compromise |
| 20:17.15 | fewyn | video games live is pretty decent background music to listen to |
| 20:28.15 | jleclanche | fewyn: i went to their concert in stockholm four days ago :D |
| 20:28.31 | fewyn | i've never really listened to them before |
| 20:28.37 | jleclanche | fewyn: they're awesome |
| 20:28.39 | fewyn | but i was trying to decid eon some music to listen to |
| 20:28.48 | jleclanche | fewyn: OCRemix.org :) |
| 20:28.57 | fewyn | i use spotify |
| 20:29.07 | fewyn | mainly cuz i'm lazy |
| 20:29.08 | jleclanche | can't argue with that |
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| 20:31.44 | fewyn | so did everyone who went to blizzcon enjoy it? |
| 20:31.48 | fewyn | i had a blast |
| 20:32.57 | Ressy | was amazing.. :) |
| 20:33.13 | Cairenn | I had a great time :) |
| 20:33.20 | fewyn | i actually didn't watch a single panel this year |
| 20:33.33 | Ressy | I caught a couple while in the store's line for 4 hrs |
| 20:33.42 | fewyn | well i saw the movie thing |
| 20:33.43 | fewyn | twice |
| 20:33.47 | fewyn | but that doesn't count |
| 20:34.06 | fewyn | i mainly walked around and hung out with people |
| 20:34.12 | fewyn | sorry i didn't see you this year Cairenn! |
| 20:34.20 | Cairenn | Yeah, me too :( |
| 20:34.27 | fewyn | i did hang out with ann and amy a little |
| 20:34.40 | Cairenn | Was hoping you'd show up at the dinner, but I know how packed everyones' schedules get |
| 20:34.47 | fewyn | yeah i had guild dinner stuff |
| 20:50.29 | Cairenn | It was good to see 'everyone' again. :) |
| 20:50.37 | kd3 | indeed |
| 20:51.09 | Cairenn | I could only have wish that there were more 'everyone' there, but I wish that every year, so ... |
| 20:52.01 | fewyn | surprisingly almost everyone from my guild went this year |
| 20:52.11 | Cairenn | I still think it'd be hilarious if the entire frigging channel was there one year. We'd have to rent like the entire restaurant for our dinner. |
| 20:52.53 | Thunder_Child | Which would be amazing, since I am not sure everyone in this channel is actually alive. |
| 20:52.57 | Neffi | Careful what you wish for. I don't know if #wowuidev could take more of mine and Semlar's shenanigans |
| 20:53.02 | Neffi | ;) |
| 20:53.18 | kd3 | it survived fisker, I think we can handle you two >.> |
| 20:53.25 | Neffi | haha |
| 20:53.37 | Thunder_Child | Although, it would be interesting if purl showed up. |
| 20:53.37 | fewyn | hahaha you can kill boneguard commanders without doing the stupid lancing |
| 20:53.42 | Semlar | would this require leaving the house |
| 20:53.43 | fewyn | take that mechanics! |
| 20:53.50 | farmbuyer | I think the restaurant would politely suggest that the *following* year's dinner take place somewhere else. Such as low Earth orbit. |
| 20:53.53 | kd3 | yah, it was possible before 6.0. it just takes a while |
| 20:54.08 | fewyn | there's a toy that costs marks :( |
| 20:54.17 | kd3 | there's 6. all the banners |
| 20:54.24 | fewyn | oh all of them are? |
| 20:54.25 | fewyn | ugggh |
| 20:54.26 | kd3 | yup |
| 20:54.33 | fewyn | i only saw the crusader one |
| 20:54.34 | Lopeppeppy | lurves Cairenn. |
| 20:54.36 | Semlar | neffi i resized my frame smaller than 0 and it inverted and now it's broken |
| 20:54.37 | fewyn | because i was looking at the toybox |
| 20:54.49 | Neffi | how even. stop breaking stuff Semlar |
| 20:54.50 | Cairenn | lurves Lopeppeppy! |
| 20:54.59 | Semlar | i didn't put a min size :( |
| 20:55.05 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/User:Kaydeethree/toys click on zone, scroll down to 'argent tournament' |
| 20:55.10 | Semlar | i can't even click on it any more |
| 20:55.15 | Ressy | The dinner was nice :) |
| 20:55.15 | fewyn | thanks kd3 :D |
| 20:55.16 | Neffi | I didnt know negative sizes could be a thing! anyway, skidoo and all; foods here |
| 20:55.16 | kd3 | if you buy an alliance banner, you get the horde one for free |
| 20:55.24 | Lopeppeppy | You got to hug Unkle and Jelly and Kamdis and Fisker and I'm jealous. Civil as an orange, or something of that jealous complexion. |
| 20:56.04 | fewyn | i wish i could cheeze the among the champions daily |
| 20:56.10 | fewyn | i refuse to do lancing |
| 20:56.20 | kd3 | take a friend, mount up, hit it once, have someone else breath on it |
| 20:56.30 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/wzTt6yF.jpg it's broked neffi |
| 20:56.31 | kd3 | then go duo H-TotC5 for 3 more |
| 20:56.48 | nevcairiel | lancing damage doesnt scale with gear now, does it? |
| 20:56.52 | kd3 | nope |
| 20:56.57 | nevcairiel | i tried to solo the instance, and it was impossible due to that |
| 20:56.57 | fewyn | if it did i'd totes do it |
| 20:57.06 | nevcairiel | well, it was possible, just took fucking ages |
| 20:57.29 | kd3 | just ask in /1, I usually found a taker by the time I was done with the other dailies |
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| 20:57.43 | fewyn | but that requires me to be social and stuff |
| 20:59.39 | Cairenn | Ressy: glad you enjoyed |
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| 21:01.24 | Shirik | Cairenn: is this a common occurrence? https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10805710_1099976826698436_3824561825152726912_n.jpg?oh=288d51e0c1be5999f80544fb28b1246e&oe=54E4A485 |
| 21:01.34 | Shirik | also, I wanted to show you puppies yesterday let me see if I can find |
| 21:01.36 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 21:02.11 | Shirik | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2YBmUkm3Uc |
| 21:03.09 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: It's common if you have a specific craigslist ad.... |
| 21:04.18 | Cairenn | puppies! |
| 21:11.11 | Ressy | Shirik: Not so much luckily. |
| 21:11.28 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.30 | Ressy | Canada Goose, yes. |
| 21:11.52 | fewyn | that's cool if you do all the dailies minus the lancing one and heroic 5 man you get 15 marks... which is just enough for 1 banner :D |
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| 21:13.32 | Neffi | Semlar: I have no idea what even |
| 21:26.27 | Stanzilla | fewyn: I just recently noticed that there is a mount only paladins can buy there |
| 21:26.42 | Semlar | is it a bubble |
| 21:27.05 | Stanzilla | no |
| 21:27.10 | Semlar | that's too bad |
| 21:27.46 | Semlar | i think paladins should get a class mount that's like a hamster ball that they can run around in |
| 21:28.07 | Neffi | I'm all for that |
| 21:28.23 | Neffi | actually that should just be the pandaren mount |
| 21:29.26 | Semlar | pandaren should drive a wok |
| 21:30.02 | farmbuyer | balance on a giant beer barrel |
| 21:30.28 | Semlar | yeah they could roll around on kegs |
| 21:30.38 | Neffi | but can they drink from the kegs too? |
| 21:30.44 | farmbuyer | beer helmet |
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| 21:43.56 | Lopeppeppy | Stay good, everypeople. |
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| 21:44.48 | fewyn | oh shiet they upped our upload |
| 21:44.49 | fewyn | http://www.speedtest.net/result/3902016419.png |
| 21:44.52 | fewyn | while i was gone |
| 21:45.18 | mikma | bummer |
| 21:45.36 | knod | I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'll give it a go. Was the horizontal camera tracking speed slower a few years ago? I last played in 2011 and I think it was. Regardless, is there any way to slow it down? |
| 21:46.22 | knod | If it's the wrong channel for this question, can someone suggest another channel? |
| 21:46.47 | Neffi | knod: Did you check the options? |
| 21:47.03 | Neffi | Interface -> Camera or something. I think there's a slider there for "follow speed" or something |
| 21:47.09 | knod | Neffi: I did, but wasn't able to find anything that affected horizontal speed |
| 21:47.31 | knod | I think that setting affected vertical speed |
| 21:47.53 | knod | When I disabled auto vertical adjustment the speed option was disabled too |
| 21:47.59 | Neffi | "cameraYawSmoothSpeed - Sets the speed, at which the camera auto-adjusts" |
| 21:48.20 | Neffi | I don't think there's a setting for side-to-side |
| 21:48.32 | knod | As it is it's instantaneous |
| 21:49.40 | knod | I've tried googling stuff about horizontal movement, but haven't found anything useful. Maybe there's a word for horizontal movement that I don't know? |
| 21:49.50 | knod | If I knew what it was I could google that instead |
| 21:50.00 | Neffi | well this should be a list of all camera settings and I see nothing there: http://wowpedia.org/Console_variables#Camera |
| 21:50.50 | Neffi | actually there's more here. try some of them http://wowpedia.org/Console_variables/Complete_list/Character |
| 21:51.24 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.30 | Neffi | like, /console cameradistancemax 50 |
| 21:51.32 | knod | I didn't realize you could type console commands into the game |
| 21:51.37 | knod | It's just in a chat window? |
| 21:51.47 | Neffi | yeah, just like my exmaple |
| 21:52.04 | knod | Why are some blue and some red? |
| 21:52.09 | Neffi | all the camera ones should probably take effect right away |
| 21:52.14 | kd3 | the red ones we don't have pages for |
| 21:52.17 | Neffi | blue = active link (there's a wiki page for it) |
| 21:52.30 | kd3 | just like on wikipedia, blue links point to an actual article, red links point to articles that still need to be created |
| 21:52.32 | Neffi | anything red is undocumented. this is all community-maintained stuff |
| 21:52.58 | knod | Ok, got it |
| 21:53.59 | knod | "http://wowpedia.org/index.php?title=CVar_cameraSmoothNeverFearDelay&action=edit&redlink=1"� |
| 21:54.11 | knod | That's not what I had hoped would paste, sorry |
| 21:54.28 | knod | cameraSmoothNeverFearDelay sounds ominous |
| 21:55.31 | farmbuyer | For when your camera settings need to be *really* responsive. |
| 21:55.41 | Neffi | lol |
| 21:55.51 | knod | Heh |
| 21:56.07 | Neffi | if you discover any useful undocumented cvars, edit them in or ping me and I'll do it |
| 21:56.10 | knod | Does SmoothSmarterTurnFactor sound right? |
| 21:56.16 | farmbuyer | You might need to give an Aragon-style speech to your camera just before raiding. |
| 21:56.21 | Neffi | try it. i had to uninstall the client again |
| 21:56.21 | karl_w_w | I, Camera |
| 21:56.23 | knod | Thanks, Neffi |
| 21:57.01 | knod | I'll try some of the turn ones at least. There are a lot of commands here |
| 21:57.23 | Semlar | casts fear ward on neffi |
| 21:57.45 | karl_w_w | what a great spell that was |
| 21:57.47 | Neffi | doesn't know if he should become afraid or become immune to fear. |
| 21:58.00 | karl_w_w | I love spells that let you cheese boss mechanics |
| 21:58.01 | kd3 | the only reason dwarf priests got brought to raids |
| 22:00.19 | knod | WiWill echo or something tell me what the setting currently is? |
| 22:01.40 | Dagmar | Well, that and the wine. |
| 22:02.46 | knod | How do I get it to tell me the current value of a variable? |
| 22:03.12 | farmbuyer | knod: it may be easier to pull up WTF/Config.wtf in your favorite text editor |
| 22:03.49 | knod | Then I'll have to do a bunch of extra work for each little change I want to try |
| 22:05.00 | knod | Is there really no way to have it print to me? |
| 22:05.15 | Neffi | knod: /dump GetCVar"NAME" |
| 22:05.17 | kd3 | you can use print(whatever) |
| 22:05.21 | kd3 | or that ^ |
| 22:05.40 | Dagmar | moar printk! |
| 22:05.53 | Neffi | prints Dagmar |
| 22:06.13 | Dagmar | Great. Now I have to go through god only knows how many logfiles trying to find myself. |
| 22:06.14 | Simca | ban printk |
| 22:07.00 | knod | I tried to print cameraPivot and got nil, empty result :/ |
| 22:07.44 | Stanzilla | Simca: already looked at 19116? |
| 22:07.54 | knod | Ok, got it working with the get thing |
| 22:09.19 | knod | Well, I know I'm actually changing values now. I guess these just aren't working |
| 22:09.56 | Neffi | if you set a value and GetCVar still returns the old value, it means you set it out of range (like trying to set "cameradistancemax" to 100, when the max is 50) |
| 22:10.07 | Neffi | if GetCVar returns nil after setting a cvar, then that cvar no longer exists |
| 22:10.30 | knod | Yeah, I just confirmed I am able to correctly change the value |
| 22:10.56 | knod | I just needed to use GetCVar instead of print() |
| 22:11.55 | Simca | Stanzilla: live is already on 19116 iirc |
| 22:12.02 | knod | So this really should be yaw speed |
| 22:12.04 | Simca | so it's just catch up |
| 22:12.14 | Stanzilla | oh |
| 22:12.16 | Stanzilla | I forgot |
| 22:18.39 | knod | Hmm, ok, I've been trying quite a few things and not getting anywhere fast. Do you guys know who else I could ask about this? |
| 22:19.05 | knod | Someone that might know the right variable? |
| 22:19.17 | Stanzilla | knod: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:19.32 | knod | Slow down horizontal camera tracking |
| 22:19.40 | knod | Like it used to be |
| 22:20.11 | Stanzilla | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info20483-1.7.html |
| 22:20.40 | knod | I don't think I've been clear |
| 22:20.52 | knod | I mean the speed at which you rotate behind your character when your character turns |
| 22:21.01 | knod | Not zoom |
| 22:21.05 | knod | @ Stanzilla |
| 22:21.21 | Stanzilla | oh |
| 22:21.26 | Stanzilla | well there is a UI setting for it? |
| 22:21.34 | Stanzilla | does the slider not go down far enough for you? |
| 22:21.54 | knod | I think that's a setting for vertical camera adjustment |
| 22:22.07 | knod | Like following terrain and stuff |
| 22:22.45 | knod | Yeah, that doesn't do anything |
| 22:23.18 | Neffi | knod: did you try cameraPitchMoveSpeed ? |
| 22:23.20 | Stanzilla | Mouse => Mouse look speed? |
| 22:23.57 | knod | Mouse look speed didn't do anything either |
| 22:24.16 | knod | I think I tried cameraPitchMoveSpeed, but I'll do it again just to be sure |
| 22:24.28 | Neffi | if not that, then there probably just isn't a setting for it |
| 22:25.25 | knod | It didn't work |
| 22:25.34 | knod | Is there anyone that would know for sure? |
| 22:25.38 | Neffi | I doubt there's a way to do it, tbh |
| 22:25.43 | knod | I mean, there's turn speed |
| 22:25.48 | knod | This used to be a thing |
| 22:26.44 | knod | It used to not follow your turning direction instantly |
| 22:26.59 | knod | Sorry, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills |
| 22:27.27 | knod | I thought maybe one of the TurnFactor's would do it? |
| 22:27.40 | knod | Not one of the NeverTurn things I assumed, but maybe I was wrong⦠|
| 22:28.16 | knod | What might cameraSmoothSplineTurnFactor do? |
| 22:28.42 | knod | There's also Move and Track |
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| 22:29.06 | Dagmar | You know how on old roller coasters when you come to a junction the cart will slam back and forth between the guides? |
| 22:29.08 | Dagmar | It stops that. |
| 22:29.21 | Dagmar | Sort of. |
| 22:29.36 | zenzelezz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur8zuHowWwU - found this amusing |
| 22:30.06 | knod | Thanks, Dagmar. Probably not that then. |
| 22:30.49 | knod | Ok, the issue is that the way it is now makes me sick |
| 22:31.00 | knod | So if I can't fix it I probably can't play |
| 22:32.19 | Dagmar | You could always just stick to the "directly behind me" view |
| 22:32.32 | knod | That's the veiw that is the problem |
| 22:32.42 | knod | Is there a way to have another view? |
| 22:32.48 | knod | One that doesn't turn as I turn? |
| 22:33.26 | foxlit | I just disable tracking entirely. |
| 22:33.54 | foxlit | there's a dropdown in Interface (probably > Camera) somewhere that has an option along the lines of "Never" |
| 22:34.02 | knod | I tried that |
| 22:34.09 | knod | That's just for vertical and zoom |
| 22:34.13 | knod | It's not for rotation |
| 22:34.20 | Semlar | what is the camera doing that is making you sick |
| 22:34.28 | knod | Turning quickly |
| 22:34.57 | foxlit | turning quickly when you do what? |
| 22:34.58 | Semlar | so you don't want it to swivel behind you when you start moving? |
| 22:34.58 | knod | As if it were directly behind my avatar and turning to make sure I'm always facing the back of the avatar completely instantaneously |
| 22:35.10 | knod | I want it to swivel, just much more slowly |
| 22:35.16 | knod | Like it used to |
| 22:35.44 | foxlit | screenshot your Inteface -> Camera options for us? |
| 22:35.59 | knod | Sure |
| 22:36.04 | Semlar | i'm sure it's one of the smoothspeed cvars, but there are so many god damn camera cvars it's hard to say which one |
| 22:36.45 | Semlar | or maybe pivot |
| 22:37.32 | knod | http://imgur.com/EGVLRi9# |
| 22:37.36 | knod | @ foxlit |
| 22:37.39 | Semlar | oh no pivot is when the camera has hit the ground |
| 22:38.02 | Semlar | i have "only horizontal when moving" |
| 22:38.04 | knod | There are a ton of camera cvars, it's true :/ |
| 22:38.10 | Semlar | for the follow style |
| 22:38.14 | foxlit | I have "Never adjust camera" |
| 22:38.19 | knod | I have "Never adjust camera" |
| 22:38.27 | foxlit | The net effect is that I can rotate camera however I want, and it *never moves* |
| 22:38.31 | knod | Still, when I press "a" the camera moves instently |
| 22:38.35 | knod | instantly |
| 22:39.03 | knod | Vertical doesn't get changed, but that's not what I'm looking for |
| 22:39.06 | foxlit | okay, *almost* never moves. |
| 22:39.23 | knod | When you press "a", the avatar turns to face you? |
| 22:40.11 | Semlar | you have screwed something up by manually setting a cvar somewhere |
| 22:40.28 | knod | That was the case before I even started working with the console |
| 22:40.35 | foxlit | no. a rotates the character, and the camera follows. |
| 22:40.44 | knod | exactly, foxlit |
| 22:40.46 | foxlit | the final result is that it maintains the same angle relative to the character as it had before. |
| 22:40.48 | knod | The camera follows |
| 22:40.53 | knod | Yes |
| 22:40.58 | knod | I don't want it to turn that quickly |
| 22:41.32 | knod | I do not want the camera to follow the rotation as closely as it does |
| 22:42.07 | Neffi | so your real problem is that they icnreased the speed of keyboard-turning? |
| 22:42.26 | knod | No |
| 22:42.30 | knod | I don't think so at least |
| 22:42.51 | knod | It used to be that if you turned your character and moved, the camera would slowly catch up to your new rotation |
| 22:43.01 | knod | It was at least possible with a setting |
| 22:43.19 | knod | That means that sometimes my avatar would be facing the camera |
| 22:43.50 | knod | The character would turn quickly (so keyboard turning was quick), but the camera would lag behind, traveling more slowly |
| 22:43.57 | Neffi | wow, this enrages me greatly http://imgur.com/gallery/WyOvuiF |
| 22:44.23 | Thunder_Child | Stop changing the volume then. |
| 22:44.32 | foxlit | unbind a/d, imo. |
| 22:45.02 | knod | foxlit: something's going to have to turn my character. How else will I move? |
| 22:45.11 | foxlit | although that breaks your ability to run in circles by holding two keys. |
| 22:45.16 | Thunder_Child | Mouse |
| 22:45.20 | foxlit | swqe is movement; mouse for rotation. |
| 22:45.24 | Thunder_Child | Turn with the mouse. |
| 22:45.27 | Semlar | i don't have what he's describing unless he thinks the normal behavior is too quick |
| 22:45.34 | knod | That will just mean that I have to move my character much more slowly |
| 22:45.52 | Thunder_Child | Hardly. |
| 22:45.54 | knod | Semlar: exactly - I think the normal behavior is too quick |
| 22:46.03 | Semlar | but you said it didn't used to be |
| 22:46.14 | Semlar | and mine is exactly the same as it's always been |
| 22:46.17 | knod | That's right, when I last played in 2011 it was different |
| 22:46.27 | Semlar | uhh 2011 hm |
| 22:47.03 | knod | Thunder_Child: if I want to have the spinning happen slower and my only option is to use the mouse, then I will have to turn slower in order to make the spinning slower |
| 22:47.41 | Semlar | when i walk forward the camera does not instantly turn around behind me |
| 22:47.54 | Semlar | nor does it spin behind me if i just push a once |
| 22:48.08 | knod | Oh! Sometimes your character can face the camera? |
| 22:48.18 | knod | If you don't adjust with your mouse |
| 22:48.20 | Thunder_Child | Take anti-nausia medication? Seems easier. |
| 22:48.31 | Thunder_Child | nausea* |
| 22:48.34 | knod | If you actually move with your keyboard keys? |
| 22:48.35 | foxlit | so basically this animation: http://go-hero.net/box/rot.mp4 |
| 22:48.37 | Semlar | no, once it's behind me the camera stays behind me |
| 22:48.41 | foxlit | I think it's always worked that way. |
| 22:48.47 | knod | Lol, Thunder_Child, I'm already taking them for my brain lesion :P |
| 22:49.05 | Semlar | if i move the camera so it isn't behind me it doesn't immediately lock back behind me when i start turning |
| 22:49.13 | knod | foxlit: that's what is happening that I don't want to happen |
| 22:49.35 | Semlar | you should almost never be turning with the keyboard though >_> |
| 22:49.50 | knod | I think |
| 22:49.57 | knod | (still @foxlit |
| 22:49.59 | knod | ) |
| 22:50.13 | Thunder_Child | If it didn't happen like that there would be issues with the camera once you turn past the current camera angle. |
| 22:50.14 | knod | I shouldn't be turning my character with "a" and "d"? |
| 22:50.33 | Neffi | no, you should be turning with your mouse |
| 22:50.35 | Dagmar | 8/ |
| 22:50.36 | Semlar | i keep my mouse button held down almost all the time |
| 22:50.36 | Neffi | right-click + drag |
| 22:50.50 | Semlar | it gives you complete control over the camera |
| 22:50.56 | knod | Well, I use a trackpad because I can't sit at a desk comfortably |
| 22:51.15 | Neffi | tbh I love finding people who turn with the keyboard. you can run circles around them, stay on their backs and never let them hit you |
| 22:51.19 | knod | Regardless, that would just mean that I wouldn't be turning my character as fast |
| 22:51.21 | Semlar | i only use a key to turn if i'm holding the left mouse button down and running in a different direction |
| 22:51.26 | knod | Which is a disadvantage |
| 22:51.59 | Semlar | what do you mean |
| 22:52.11 | Semlar | the mouse turns much much faster than the keyboard ever could |
| 22:52.19 | knod | but I don't want to turn fast! |
| 22:52.25 | knod | That's what I'm saying! |
| 22:52.32 | knod | I want my character to turn fast |
| 22:52.36 | knod | but the camera to not turn fast |
| 22:53.24 | knod | If I could play the normal way, I would just do that |
| 22:53.48 | knod | It's not as if I in love with puking and using a trackpad |
| 22:54.00 | Semlar | i'm not sure you can affect how fast the character turns from the keyboard |
| 22:54.21 | knod | The camera |
| 22:54.21 | Neffi | I'm like 90% sure you cannot |
| 22:54.30 | knod | Is there anyone I can ask that would know for sure |
| 22:54.37 | knod | ? |
| 22:54.40 | Neffi | not likely |
| 22:54.44 | Semlar | let's say it can't be done |
| 22:55.09 | knod | Well if it can't be done then I'm stuck :/ |
| 22:55.29 | knod | Spinning that fast I can play for about 15 min. max |
| 22:55.33 | Neffi | you could post on the tech support forums and let them know it really bothers you. |
| 22:55.46 | Neffi | I doubt you'll get any further though |
| 22:56.03 | knod | Do you other guys think the same? |
| 22:56.09 | Semlar | i think i would have a very difficult time playing if i had to control the character's facing independent of the camera like that |
| 22:56.11 | Neffi | do you have like extreme vertigo or something? |
| 22:56.39 | Neffi | I'm absolutely spastic with my camera and I don't have this issue |
| 22:56.51 | knod | Vertigo is a very specific sensation. I know because if I do experience it I need to go see my neurologist immediately |
| 22:56.59 | knod | This is more like motion sickness |
| 22:57.08 | knod | It has a special name though |
| 22:57.27 | Semlar | most motion sickness complaints i've seen are from the camera bobbing |
| 22:57.31 | foxlit | so ignoring all that, can't you just counterspin the camera from an addon? |
| 22:57.33 | Neffi | But you have an underlying condition which the behavior is provoking then? |
| 22:57.40 | knod | Yes |
| 22:57.46 | knod | @ Neffi |
| 22:57.59 | Semlar | you can control the camera angle from an addon but it would take some maths |
| 22:58.12 | Neffi | I'm sorry to hear that. foxlit's suggestion may work if an addon author decides to try making it |
| 22:58.19 | knod | foxlit: I'm not sure. I can try. I suspect it'll do something weird, but if you know of a good addon that can do that I'm willing to try. |
| 22:58.30 | Neffi | I'd give it a shot but I had to uninstall the client for now |
| 22:58.37 | Semlar | i highly doubt there is an existing addon for this |
| 22:59.32 | knod | If there isn't a variable for it then an addon would take more knowhow than I think I have |
| 23:00.17 | Semlar | most of the difficulty from writing the addon would be determining how the camera should be offsetting itself at any given time |
| 23:00.23 | knod | I guess I'd detect the event then⦠somehow disable normal rotation behaviour⦠|
| 23:01.02 | knod | I bet if I could just figure out what's controlling rotation behavior to begin with, I could just give it a different value or something |
| 23:01.13 | Neffi | the engine is, so no |
| 23:01.29 | knod | The engine is controlling everything |
| 23:01.36 | knod | and yet there are variables that can be changed |
| 23:01.45 | Neffi | if the engine doesnt expose this as a cvar, you can't directly control it. the working idea is to apply counter-rotation via addon code |
| 23:02.10 | Semlar | i don't think you can GET the offset though so this would be pretty tricky |
| 23:02.11 | knod | Ok |
| 23:02.19 | Semlar | i know you can set it |
| 23:02.35 | Neffi | yeah my instincts are this will be anywhere from a major pita to implement to impossible to get working 100% of the time |
| 23:03.02 | knod | If I can get it to work just a fair amount of the time I can live with that |
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| 23:03.19 | knod | but a major pita sounds like something way above my skill level |
| 23:03.55 | knod | Well, it was nice to be excited for a while about getting back into the game, but I guess that's not happening |
| 23:04.20 | knod | Just another thing that's off the list I suppose |
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| 23:05.12 | Neffi | if you request the ability to configure this on the official forums and let them know it's for accessibility reasons, hell, maybe they'll implement it |
| 23:05.17 | Amarande | knod: what's wrong with WoD? |
| 23:05.19 | Neffi | Soon (TM) |
| 23:05.35 | Amarande | well, besides the fact that I find $50 is too much for a mere xpack, so I'll at the least be waiting :S |
| 23:06.16 | knod | Amarande: maybe someone else can explain. I seem to do a really bad job at it. |
| 23:06.38 | knod | Neffi: I'll think about it. Sometimes there's enough to deal with without something more to do. |
| 23:07.25 | foxlit | dealing with the rotation state correctly is boring, but there's no actual math. |
| 23:08.58 | Amarande | (watch me be a hypocrite though, since I'll 99.9% likely buy Heavensward even if *that's* $50, heh) |
| 23:10.47 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/box/rot2.mp4 |
| 23:10.55 | knod | It's fine, maybe I'll post or something. I'll be disappointed for a while and then get on to trying to find other things. |
| 23:11.12 | knod | foxlit: did you just do that now? |
| 23:11.28 | Neffi | foxlit is our resident mad scientist |
| 23:11.31 | Neffi | ;) |
| 23:11.34 | knod | Wow |
| 23:12.02 | knod | Do you think you can show me how to do that? |
| 23:12.45 | foxlit | it's choppy and doesn't restore proper angle at the end of rotation. |
| 23:13.14 | foxlit | but basically /run hooksecurefunc("TurnLeftStart", function() MoveViewLeftStart(0.65) end) |
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| 23:13.45 | foxlit | and /run hooksecurefunc("TurnLeftStop", function() MoveViewLeftStop() end) |
| 23:14.41 | knod | Oh, it's not actually tied to player rotation |
| 23:14.58 | Thunder_Child | gnome already hit $85, |
| 23:15.03 | Thunder_Child | s/,/./ |
| 23:17.13 | Thunder_Child | Why do I even bother. $85K. |
| 23:17.58 | knod | foxlit: I'm pretty sure the math would be needed when matching up player rotation to camera rotation |
| 23:18.24 | knod | What am I even talking about, I have no clue how to make an addon to begin with |
| 23:19.15 | Jamash | Thunder_Child: what gnome hit $85k? |
| 23:19.27 | Thunder_Child | Jamash: http://www.gnome.org/groupon/ |
| 23:19.27 | kd3 | http://www.gnome.org/groupon/ |
| 23:19.29 | Neffi | I see no way to get the offset between camera angle and player facing. If that's not possible, then I dont think this can be extended to line the camera up after you stop rotating |
| 23:19.33 | kd3 | up to 87k now |
| 23:21.43 | knod | You just need to TurnWhatever(0.whatever) towards the angle of the player |
| 23:22.07 | Jamash | where can I donate to groupon |
| 23:22.14 | Neffi | knod: "towards the angle of the player" <- that's the problem |
| 23:22.16 | knod | *to match the angle of the player |
| 23:22.30 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Jamash |
| 23:22.30 | purl | takes out a cattle prod and gives Jamash a good jolt |
| 23:22.34 | knod | I mean, if the player is at 60 degrees, you turn the camera to 60 degrees |
| 23:22.44 | Neffi | I know what you have to do. The relevant information doesn't appear to be available to addons |
| 23:22.58 | knod | Damn |
| 23:23.08 | knod | Why the hell not :P |
| 23:23.15 | knod | Not a question at you |
| 23:23.18 | Neffi | I have a feeling AVR is to blame here |
| 23:23.19 | knod | Just at the world in general |
| 23:23.28 | Amarande | ... you actually need to file a suit to block a conflicting trademark registration? "it's already registered" isn't enough? :| |
| 23:24.01 | Amarande | heh, I never quite understood what was so bad about AVR, unless it was more of a balance matter |
| 23:24.12 | Amarande | like, if AVR had been tolerated, eventually battles might have to be tuned to the point of basically requiring it? |
| 23:24.50 | tlund | I don't understand why they couldn't allow AVR to live, as long as it was OOC. |
| 23:25.07 | Neffi | Positional mechanics are a big part of the challenge. AVR let one person memorize the plan and orchastrate it to everyone else too directly, I think |
| 23:25.17 | Neffi | Everyone should face the challenge, not follow the UI |
| 23:25.22 | Amarande | tlund: yeah, my best guess is that it's exactly what I just said, in detail what Neffi said :S |
| 23:25.38 | Amarande | as in, eventually people would gain enough of an advantage with AVR that the fights would have to be made challenging even to teams using it |
| 23:25.47 | Amarande | which would in turn probably make them nigh impossibly hard without it |
| 23:29.02 | Amarande | if there's one thing I've noticed about Blizzard, it's that they're not keen on any given addon ever becoming essentially mandatory |
| 23:33.59 | knod | foxlit: Any ideas about getting the rotation information? |
| 23:37.10 | Amarande | also, come to think of it, yeah, the ability to orchestrate and teach plans more rapidly is a problem, too |
| 23:37.21 | Amarande | that erodes the effective lifetime of content |
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