| 00:02.43 | Cidan | Primer: you shouldn't need to double nat |
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| 00:29.25 | Primer | Cidan: verizon only supplies a router |
| 00:29.29 | Primer | not a bridge |
| 00:30.05 | Cidan | for fios? |
| 00:30.11 | Primer | right now my Linux box is also an openvpn endpoint, and some of the devices on my home network won't take routes added via DHCP |
| 00:30.14 | Primer | yes, fios |
| 00:30.33 | Cidan | call verizon |
| 00:30.38 | Cidan | they can remote enable bridge mode |
| 00:30.38 | Primer | like my polycom phones, my denon, etc. |
| 00:30.41 | Cidan | on your router |
| 00:30.53 | Primer | heh, well, they said they couldn't when this was first installed |
| 00:30.58 | Cidan | they can |
| 00:31.00 | Primer | due to also having dvrs and such |
| 00:31.00 | Cidan | done it like 20 times |
| 00:31.35 | Cidan | let me ask -- do you have your NIC coming down with ethernet, into their router? |
| 00:31.36 | Primer | I would have thought the dvrs and stbs would work off layer 2, like TW's devices did, but they're layer 3 |
| 00:31.49 | Cidan | or is it coax into the router from the NIC (not the computer nic, the access panel) |
| 00:32.18 | Primer | the router has both coax and ethernet, as you seem to know. Both are layer 3 into the same broadcast RFC1918 network |
| 00:32.31 | Primer | 10.1/16 in my case (I really hate 192.168) |
| 00:32.45 | Cidan | yes but coming from your access panel -- coax or ethernet? |
| 00:32.55 | Cidan | access panel -> router |
| 00:33.04 | Primer | by access panel, you mean the thing in the garage? Coax |
| 00:33.17 | Primer | the access panel being the device the fiber terminates into |
| 00:33.40 | Cidan | right, that. and the coax goes into the router, bleh, ok you have the old style install |
| 00:33.47 | Cidan | it's doable, but it's a lot of work and a hack |
| 00:33.51 | Primer | outside -> fiber -> garage device -> coax -> router -> inside ethernet |
| 00:34.12 | Primer | then from router there's also coax -> 1 DVR, 1 STB |
| 00:34.19 | Cidan | yeah |
| 00:34.25 | Primer | both of which show up with 10.1 IPs in the router's admin |
| 00:35.09 | Primer | this was the reason they cited for it not being doable, the fact that the DVR and STB both need to NAT out |
| 00:35.43 | Primer | so unless they can do NAT on coax and bridge on the inside ethernet switch... |
| 00:35.56 | Cidan | okay here's the short version: enable passthrough mode, and hook up your router (now bridge) to your linux box and get the IP assigned. the tricky part is you might need to PPP upstream depending on your router. Then, you need to loop your router over ethernet, back into your network so it can obtain an address it self. |
| 00:35.57 | Primer | I'm guessing these are 2 bridged devices |
| 00:36.25 | Cidan | it's a shit setup, and verizon doesn't do those types of installs anymore |
| 00:36.29 | Cidan | for that exact reason |
| 00:36.38 | Primer | yeah, seems rather fucked up |
| 00:36.45 | Primer | it's a lot easier to just double NAT :) |
| 00:37.05 | Cidan | ya prolly |
| 00:37.18 | Cidan | now they just drop a cat6 from the access panel it self |
| 00:37.23 | Cidan | fiber->cat6 |
| 00:37.27 | Cidan | and you can do w/e you want |
| 00:37.55 | Cidan | put linux box at end of cat6, and put their MoCA box on the network, TV just works |
| 00:38.27 | Cidan | you could ask them to update your install, it's just a change of hardware in that access panel |
| 00:39.41 | Primer | the access panel has an RJ45 port |
| 00:39.48 | Primer | but they said "it's not usable" |
| 00:39.59 | Primer | this server is already in the garage |
| 00:40.17 | Primer | so running an ethernet cable to it would be no problem |
| 00:41.11 | Cidan | try it |
| 00:41.16 | Cidan | ignore what they say and try it |
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| 00:42.10 | Primer | heh, I'll have to do it at off hours...wife and 2 kids live on the internet |
| 00:42.39 | Primer | thing is, wouldn't the router still try to DHCP an address from the access panel? |
| 00:43.19 | Cidan | their verizon one? well you would unhook it first from the coax and hook up to the RJ45 port directly |
| 00:44.01 | Cidan | if it works and you get DHCP from verizon, then hook up your verizon box thingie behind your own linux box -- it'll get an IP from your linux box and it's the one that has to double nat |
| 00:44.22 | Primer | that would be great |
| 00:44.33 | Primer | gonna have to try it. thanks :) |
| 00:44.40 | Cidan | the only bit that might stop you is a) the port isn't actually active, b) when you hook up to that port, you need to establish a PPP connection to the verizon head end with PPP on your linux box, which works, but it's a drag |
| 00:45.07 | Cidan | also, np |
| 00:45.28 | Primer | I'll just use my laptop to test it |
| 00:46.27 | Primer | trying to upgrade the BIOS on this old ass machine...I made a bootable freedos cd image and tried booting it with memdisk and the box just reboots |
| 00:46.40 | Primer | burned a cd...same thing |
| 00:47.53 | Primer | craptop ~ # mount -o loop /home/daniel/ec13217c.img /mnt && ls /mnt AMIFLASH.COM COMMAND.COM CONFIG.SYS DCEA288.ROM flash.bat KERNEL.SYS |
| 00:48.41 | Primer | /home/daniel/ec13217c.img: x86 boot sector |
| 00:49.20 | Primer | it's always something... |
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| 01:06.31 | Dagmar | Oh if you only had a floppy drive |
| 01:06.54 | Primer | and the media too |
| 01:07.22 | Primer | I've upgraded the bios on many a machine using grub and memdisk...don't even need a cd |
| 01:10.46 | Dagmar | Yeah but there's generally an easier way to do it with floppy for AMI and Award board |
| 01:10.47 | Dagmar | s |
| 01:11.45 | Dagmar | Format floppy. Put BIOS on floppy. Insert floppy. Power on machine and smack CTRL+HOME as fast as you can. Watch disk be accessed. Wait for beeps. Power cycle. |
| 01:12.05 | Dagmar | It's the "emergency flash" mechanism they never bother to tell anyone about |
| 01:12.28 | Dagmar | So long as you haven't trashed the first stage bootstrap of the BIOS, it works. |
| 01:14.29 | Cidan | one time I was flashing the bios for a gaming rig I had, and it won't take -- this was using a windows bios flasher, asus board. I eventually did the "force" flag because I was mad it wouldn't take. so it flashed, I rebooted, and now my computer wouldn't post |
| 01:15.33 | Cidan | suddenly it dawned on me, after looking on my laptop at the file I downloaded, that I in fact, did not use the correct file and I fucked up my bios. so what I did was I went to a local computer store, and got another motherboard with the same model, pulled out the EPROM chip and swapped it with mine |
| 01:15.52 | Primer | heh |
| 01:16.10 | Cidan | the computer booted, I got the correct bios downloaded, then while my computer was still running, I swapped out my EPROM chip again and put my broken one in, then flashed my BIOS |
| 01:16.10 | Primer | some motherboards support a key combo + floppy + known file name to recover from bricking |
| 01:16.15 | Cidan | boom, fixed. |
| 01:16.51 | Primer | I see Dagmar covered it up above |
| 01:17.17 | Primer | I even made a web site that would make said bootable freedos images: http://ceregatti.org/image |
| 01:17.53 | Primer | I wish I still had the original machine that came from so I could check out the file timestamps |
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| 01:23.47 | Primer | wow...verizon opens a port on the router to the outside world |
| 01:26.07 | Semlar | that's just for the backdoor, don't worry about it |
| 01:26.28 | Primer | that's exactly what I was thinking |
| 01:26.38 | Primer | it's a web server on port 4567 |
| 01:26.48 | Semlar | remote admin for the router probably |
| 01:26.50 | Primer | prompts for auth...without SSL... |
| 01:27.17 | Primer | it's wide open |
| 01:27.30 | Primer | and I can't delete it |
| 01:27.33 | Primer | WOW |
| 01:27.35 | Primer | fuck them |
| 01:28.04 | Semlar | tries to calm primer down |
| 01:29.13 | Semlar | it's evidently for automatic updates |
| 01:29.27 | Primer | which means it's a back door |
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| 01:34.22 | Semlar | why would they need to access your router to monitor you, you're using their network |
| 01:34.54 | Sharparam | i think he means it could be exploited by others |
| 01:34.56 | Sharparam | not his isp |
| 01:34.59 | Sharparam | right? |
| 01:35.01 | Primer | that ^^ |
| 01:35.09 | Primer | especially since it's not enforcing SSL |
| 01:35.17 | Primer | and it's open to the world |
| 01:35.49 | Sharparam | our has something similar, dunno the specifics of how it works, but there's a "Remote admin" user on our modem/router |
| 01:35.53 | Cidan | Primer: what router model do you have |
| 01:35.59 | Semlar | are you sure it's not encrypted |
| 01:36.30 | Primer | Actiontec BHR |
| 01:36.39 | Primer | and use, 100% sure |
| 01:36.44 | Semlar | "it gives VZ limited access to your router, however, it is an encrypted protocol requiring valid SSL certificates" |
| 01:36.45 | Primer | I get a 401 over telnet |
| 01:36.55 | Cidan | http://jmikola.net/blog/fios-actiontec/ |
| 01:37.15 | Primer | well, I got as far as telneting to the port from a remote server |
| 01:37.26 | Primer | where it gave me a 401, and I stopped there |
| 01:37.32 | Primer | and facepalmed |
| 01:37.44 | Sharparam | why would the ISP need access to update a router though, can't it do that on its own? |
| 01:38.37 | Semlar | it's for upgrading the firmware to quickly stop exploits (at least that's what the rep is saying) |
| 01:39.53 | Primer | no open ports would solve that...unless the concern is a compromised machine on the internal network, which I suppose is valid |
| 01:40.36 | Primer | My MI424WR had been configured so long ago that I completely forgot about Verizon's dreadful DNS servers, which like to resolve non-existent domains to search.dnsassist.verizon.net and conveniently load up a page full of Yahoo search results and targeted ads. |
| 01:40.40 | Primer | bwahahaha |
| 01:40.47 | Primer | I haven't used ISP-provided name servers in forever |
| 01:42.50 | Primer | Although it was mostly because of being assigned dead servers rather than ones that resolve NXDOMAIN |
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| 02:12.59 | karl_w_w | I miss the days when this was the most annoying thing on the radio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMfxI3r_LyA |
| 02:13.11 | karl_w_w | and that was just cos they played it too much |
| 02:13.34 | karl_w_w | and I still remember "all" the lyrics |
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| 04:08.02 | dntmn | Anyone in here well-versed with Shadowed Unitframes? |
| 04:08.13 | Thunder_Child | Shadowed is. |
| 04:08.35 | dntmn | oh, the author himself? |
| 04:08.56 | Thunder_Child | Or a damn good impersonator. |
| 04:09.09 | dntmn | haha |
| 04:10.15 | Thunder_Child | He hasn't been chatting much so I am not sure if he is really 'here' or just Grade A lurking. |
| 04:11.17 | dntmn | I'll drop him a pm! |
| 04:11.39 | dntmn | but I might as well ask here too, maybe one of you wizards have an idea |
| 04:12.09 | dntmn | by default there doesn't seem to be any official support for horizontal/vertical spacing between auras/buffs in SUF |
| 04:12.18 | dntmn | would that be possible to add with some lua wizardry? |
| 04:27.59 | Torhal | He might be at BlizzCon |
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| 04:33.15 | Iriel | Torhal: Likely, heâs on the dinner list. |
| 04:43.42 | Torhal | Iriel: You're not in town yet, or IRC on your phone? |
| 04:43.48 | Torhal | I'm flying in tomorrow. |
| 04:43.58 | Iriel | Torhal: Iâm driving down in the morning tomorrow |
| 04:44.06 | Torhal | Ah, cool. |
| 05:01.29 | Constie | What should I be doing to detect that the player's mouseover unit has stopped existing? There doesn't seem to be an event that fits perfectly (since CURSOR_UPDATE fires when you move your mouse from an enemy unit to a nameplate), and the only other thing I can think of is to check UnitExists every frame. |
| 05:03.45 | Semlar | there's a mouseover event for the player |
| 05:04.01 | Semlar | like UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT |
| 05:04.48 | Constie | That only fires when you move your mouse over a unit, not away from. |
| 05:05.01 | Semlar | um |
| 05:07.58 | Semlar | you can register a unit watch |
| 05:08.42 | Semlar | or hook the gametooltip fading out |
| 05:13.07 | Constie | Register a what? |
| 05:13.31 | Semlar | http://wowpedia.org/SecureStateDriver |
| 05:14.14 | Semlar | it's used to show and hide frames for units like boss frames |
| 05:15.07 | Semlar | although i'm almost positive it's just an onupdate script at that point |
| 05:16.49 | Constie | I see! |
| 05:17.00 | Semlar | what are you doing that you need to know when the mouse stops being over a unit |
| 05:17.41 | Constie | Showing DoTs on my mouseover if it exists, otherwise on my target. |
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| 05:18.10 | Semlar | you already have an onupdate script then, yeah? |
| 05:18.22 | Constie | That is true. |
| 05:19.00 | Semlar | pretty much just swapping what unitid you're checking for debuffs |
| 05:19.16 | Semlar | if mouseover exists, use that, otherwise use target |
| 05:21.30 | Semlar | i thought i did that for my cooldown addon but now i remember i decided it was too confusing to constantly switch the aura information on my bars based on moused over units |
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| 05:22.19 | Constie | I think maybe I can just not have this feature since TipTac shows auras anyway. |
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| 05:26.07 | Constie | And if you care about DoT uptime on more than one target then the other targets likely have boss frames. |
| 05:26.40 | Semlar | i think a lot of people just show dots on nameplates |
| 05:27.13 | Constie | Yeah, but nameplates sometimes go off-screen and stuff. |
| 05:27.40 | Constie | That is usually enough, though. |
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| 07:28.24 | Torhal | https://i.imgur.com/Mz08u.jpg |
| 07:31.28 | nevcairiel | heh |
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| 08:44.47 | karl_w_w | my god I love when you press back in a browser and it goes back 2 pages because the website is shit |
| 08:49.23 | Maldivia | there are SOO many site who have no idea how to integrate with the back/forward feature in the browser |
| 08:55.44 | karl_w_w | I especially love websites which refuse to use such simple thinks as hyperlinks |
| 08:56.01 | karl_w_w | everything must be opened by javascript, fuck off if you want new tabs |
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| 09:57.39 | dntmn | anyone with some Masque layout knowledge? |
| 09:57.44 | dntmn | very basic probably, but I'm a noob |
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| 11:12.16 | karl_w_w | oh wow, a game that doesn't make you edit config files to enable the console |
| 11:12.20 | karl_w_w | sniper elite 3 |
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| 12:24.14 | Neffi | anyone know off the top of their head what happens if you do like statusbar:SetValue(0/0) or some other 'bad' value? |
| 12:25.34 | nevcairiel | it likes to throw errors |
| 12:26.06 | Neffi | Ack. I was using textures before. Maybe I'll go back to that |
| 12:26.28 | Neffi | I figured I could shave off the extra logic for protecting against NaN and the like |
| 12:26.40 | nevcairiel | i had serious issues with the statusbar, which is why in Quartz i use a small module that simulates its API but uses a texture |
| 12:27.10 | Neffi | I suppose I could add my own wrapped "statusbar" class |
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| 13:12.52 | Fisker | I miss Lopeppeppy |
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| 13:20.17 | Constie | How did she know? |
| 13:20.58 | Kalroth | :D |
| 13:21.04 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy and I are telepathically linked |
| 13:21.13 | Kalroth | that's a scary thought |
| 13:21.27 | Kalroth | i mean, a great thought |
| 13:21.47 | Kalroth | being able to communicate mentally with Fisker |
| 13:23.33 | Constie | An unending cacophony of "KAMELÃ
SÃ
" in your mind. |
| 13:24.25 | Kalroth | i already got that |
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| 13:25.13 | Kalroth | http://tag5.dk/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/qPvht-541x380.jpg ! |
| 13:25.39 | Constie | Dang. |
| 13:27.30 | Lopeppeppy | I am terrifying. Hear my roar. |
| 13:27.43 | A-KO|tablet | I am on a plane! |
| 13:27.47 | A-KO|tablet | flying my way out to the con |
| 13:27.58 | Fisker | Why do you have wifi? |
| 13:28.00 | Fisker | Hax |
| 13:28.07 | A-KO|tablet | because it's awesomesauce |
| 13:28.28 | A-KO|tablet | I might nap here in a few, if I can |
| 13:36.28 | Lopeppeppy | Napping on a plane, that's blackmail material. |
| 13:36.44 | Lopeppeppy | Give Cairenn a hug from me when you get there. It's the only way I can hug her this year! *le cry* |
| 13:38.24 | A-KO|tablet | apparently arrowmaster lost a ton of weight |
| 13:38.29 | A-KO|tablet | I can't wait to see this wizardry |
| 13:46.15 | Lopeppeppy | The magic of Disney? |
| 13:50.53 | karl_w_w | http://www.dsogaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/image004.jpg they always find new ways to make stuff look better |
| 13:51.44 | nevcairiel | isnt that what is typically called ambient occlusion |
| 13:54.06 | Neffi | all yesterday afternoon and this morning of drycoding. if this works first try, I think I deserve an award |
| 13:55.14 | nevcairiel | there are no awards here |
| 13:55.18 | karl_w_w | no its meant to be better nevcairiel |
| 13:55.29 | nevcairiel | looks pretty similar |
| 13:56.05 | Lopeppeppy | Is there a difference between those two images? Maybe the left is a wee brighter? |
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| 13:56.18 | nevcairiel | there is extra shadows |
| 13:56.23 | karl_w_w | http://hastebin.com/raw/amepeyivah |
| 13:56.31 | nevcairiel | at the wall next to the standing guy, at the ground below the leg |
| 13:56.44 | nevcairiel | gives it more immersion |
| 13:56.49 | Constie | Look at the bottom guy's crotch. |
| 13:56.58 | Constie | That may be related to the shadows thing. |
| 13:57.18 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 13:58.03 | karl_w_w | the insides of the arms of the guy standing |
| 13:58.03 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: so in short, its the same thing with more magic sauce |
| 13:58.08 | nevcairiel | it provides the same effect in any case |
| 13:58.12 | nevcairiel | just apparently in higher quality |
| 13:58.32 | nevcairiel | a comparison between the two would be more useful, without it at all the image obviously looks more fake and flat |
| 13:59.09 | karl_w_w | the game doesnt have ssao |
| 13:59.16 | karl_w_w | as far as i can tell |
| 14:09.00 | Neffi | wow, performance is way better in 6.x on this shitty igpu |
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| 14:20.52 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://pastebin.com || 6.0.x ToC: 60000 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || WoD beta access! WoWI: http://bit.ly/1smb4qM or Curse: http://goo.gl/eVsdYQ || BC UI Community Dinner Sign Up: http://bit.ly/1pqdONd |
| 14:21.11 | bluspacecow | *blink* *blink* |
| 14:21.14 | bluspacecow | wat do? |
| 14:23.01 | bluspacecow | ~luser purl |
| 14:23.05 | karl_w_w | maps bluspacecow's obscurance fields |
| 14:23.11 | bluspacecow | :( |
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| 14:40.55 | bluspacecow | https://fbcdn-video-g-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xfa1/v/t43.1792-2/1042928_10151806299300039_193575372_n.mp4?oh=191ba9e056a58ca831fc3c9a33cfb962&oe=545BAC6D&__gda__=1415292587_7545af763e97ff5b50558d13907982ac |
| 14:54.36 | nevcairiel | that ending was great |
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| 16:51.32 | Shirik | http://cdn29.elitedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/expensive-uber-elite-daily-16.gif |
| 16:55.01 | Neffi | one way street |
| 16:55.41 | Shirik | doesn't mean you can't... I dunno... walk? |
| 16:56.33 | Neffi | well I dont know what uber is |
| 16:56.47 | Neffi | but in Maps you have to select the walk option I think |
| 17:02.35 | Shirik | oh |
| 17:02.53 | Shirik | uber is like ebay combined with a taxi service |
| 17:02.56 | Dagmar | It's an unlicenced taxi service. |
| 17:03.11 | Shirik | you have random people selling their services as a taxi |
| 17:03.14 | Dagmar | ...but with even more douchebaggery in management. |
| 17:03.35 | Dagmar | Like, really breathtaking levels of douchebaggery. |
| 17:05.10 | Dagmar | One great example is that they're bombarding their own people with information about a car loan program so they can get nicer cars, and the payments will just be automatically deducted. |
| 17:05.22 | Shirik | to be fair, the #1 complaint is the whole surge pricing thing |
| 17:05.31 | Shirik | and I think that's brilliant |
| 17:05.34 | Dagmar | Problem is, the company backing that is one of the "last stop" lenders with the "anal rape" interest rates above 18% |
| 17:05.51 | Dagmar | The kind of company that _no one_ should take a car loan from. |
| 17:06.33 | Shirik | 18% is higher than my credit card rate lol |
| 17:06.40 | Shirik | I could just put a car on my credit card |
| 17:06.50 | Dagmar | Yeah I was being nice. They're commonly go straight for 21% interest. |
| 17:06.53 | Shirik | well I guess I don't have the credit limit for that, but still |
| 17:07.23 | Dagmar | I have fucking _money_. I don't do credit. I did credit once with a company like that. |
| 17:07.27 | Dagmar | Never again. |
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| 17:07.59 | LStranger | hello! |
| 17:08.01 | Dagmar | WHen I bought the car I have now, the dealership _almost_ borked the deal by 'looking ahead' into financing |
| 17:08.13 | LStranger | How can I remove 'inactive' flag from ReMinimap? It's working just fine with 6.0.3 and updated of course. |
| 17:08.14 | Dagmar | I saw the paperwork on the salesman's desk. |
| 17:09.03 | Dagmar | We had a very, very short discussion about it, where I made it clear exactly how many words I was going to use to express my displeasure at being shown a credit application of that type. |
| 17:09.30 | Dagmar | It's not often I tell a stranger "If you do this, I will make you sorry." |
| 17:09.49 | LStranger | the #curseforge channel seems to be not inhabited. :) |
| 17:10.30 | Semlar | update the version in the toc file to 60000 |
| 17:10.52 | Semlar | oh wait you're asking something else |
| 17:12.18 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4QYkrp44us UFO PORNO? |
| 17:12.37 | fewyn | i do not want to be awae |
| 17:12.42 | fewyn | but herei am |
| 17:13.11 | fewyn | at least i'm in california... need to make the trek to the convention center later |
| 17:13.50 | Semlar | LStranger: go to project management on curseforge for your addon, edit project and change its development stage at the bottom of the page |
| 17:15.16 | fewyn | at least i managed to get http://isitblizzconyet.com to obey timezones |
| 17:28.58 | Shirik | Fisker: this is why we don't visit you |
| 17:29.02 | Shirik | ^ @ karl_w_w |
| 17:29.28 | fewyn | i do not know how people manage to play video games with a touchpad |
| 17:32.43 | Constie | Poorly. |
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| 17:53.40 | Fisker | Why do you hurt my feelings Shirik |
| 17:55.36 | Neffi | go to bed Semlar |
| 17:55.55 | Semlar | no neffi |
| 17:56.32 | mikma | http://i.imgur.com/ISwGhkr.jpg |
| 17:56.52 | Semlar | hey neffi want to go to the sauna |
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| 18:03.30 | Neffi | I can't I'm omw to the clinic |
| 18:04.19 | Semlar | do you have ebola |
| 18:04.42 | Neffi | mayyybe |
| 18:04.55 | Semlar | don't die neffi |
| 18:04.59 | Neffi | :( |
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| 18:07.39 | Silvanas | i can query the name, class and race of random members on my server :D |
| 18:08.45 | Silvanas | GetPlayerInfoByGUID() awsome function |
| 18:09.10 | Thunder_Child | The 'random' bit seems less than awesome. |
| 18:09.35 | Silvanas | yeh was checking what would happent if i altered 1 digit |
| 18:10.00 | Silvanas | and got some random guy from the opposing faction back |
| 18:10.16 | Semlar | does it let you query information about offline players |
| 18:10.48 | Silvanas | yes |
| 18:11.05 | Semlar | so you could basically run a census using just that function |
| 18:11.38 | Silvanas | census? |
| 18:12.23 | mikma | as in gathering info about players |
| 18:12.27 | Silvanas | i could build an database of every posableable player on the server and sell it to the goldspammer >.> |
| 18:13.13 | Semlar | but they can just use the armory |
| 18:13.15 | Silvanas | but its only name, race, class. its nothing specail the armory can also give you the info |
| 18:13.57 | Silvanas | now i wonder if this works cross realm....\ |
| 18:14.20 | Semlar | nope |
| 18:14.41 | Semlar | it probably would take forever to query every possible guid |
| 18:14.41 | Silvanas | then i wonder why there is a realm paramter returned |
| 18:15.00 | Silvanas | i gues it only works in same battle group |
| 18:15.05 | Semlar | it might work cross realm for players in your group |
| 18:15.12 | Semlar | but i don't even know about that |
| 18:15.17 | Silvanas | yeh i gues |
| 18:15.28 | Semlar | you definitely can't query random guids on other servers |
| 18:15.42 | Neffi | and nearby players, possibly |
| 18:15.48 | Neffi | being that they may be in your combat log, chat |
| 18:16.44 | Silvanas | yeh i should be posable to retreive the guid of anyone in your party of raid, evne your "target" so enemy's in Bg's should also work |
| 18:18.51 | Neffi | well that info is always available for valid units, eg, target |
| 18:18.52 | Semlar | but you can use unit functions on those |
| 18:18.56 | Neffi | nothing special there |
| 18:18.59 | Silvanas | the one feature i do miss to to retreive guids from the guild rooster |
| 18:20.40 | LStranger | Semlar: thank you very much! I seems silly and missed that link. :) |
| 18:21.02 | LStranger | And another question is if I can revive MaterialsTracker addon. It was removed some time ago (due to inactivity I suppose) but I still find it very useful and updated it recently to support Reagents Bank tab. |
| 18:21.13 | LStranger | I have no idea how to contact its author. :) |
| 18:21.26 | Neffi | check its license. |
| 18:21.46 | jleclanche | ~seen shamino |
| 18:21.47 | purl | i haven't seen 'shamino', jleclanche |
| 18:22.48 | Neffi | many addons are gpl, mit or bsd licensed, in which case it's 100% okay to fork and continue |
| 18:23.04 | Neffi | but not all. some are more restrictive, like all rights reserved |
| 18:23.04 | LStranger | no license is mentioned at all |
| 18:23.21 | LStranger | sublibs included are GPL and LGPL |
| 18:23.30 | Neffi | check project page, actual addon files, etc? |
| 18:23.36 | LStranger | thus I suppose it is GPL after all |
| 18:23.50 | Neffi | not necessarily |
| 18:23.52 | LStranger | since GPL supress any lesser ones |
| 18:24.21 | Neffi | many people using the gpl for their addons are infringing that clause |
| 18:24.22 | jleclanche | LStranger: you could look into similar addons to materialstracker and fork or update one of those |
| 18:24.39 | jleclanche | LStranger: bagnon for example |
| 18:25.11 | jleclanche | tho bagnon is kept up to date quite nicely |
| 18:26.33 | LStranger | jleclanche: I don't want bagnon or another big addon |
| 18:27.18 | jleclanche | LStranger: my point is it might be easier to take a different addon as a base rather than figure out what license an old addon with a vanished author might be |
| 18:27.29 | Semlar | only if you release it |
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| 18:27.57 | Semlar | you can modify it without releasing it and it's not like anyone would know |
| 18:28.05 | jleclanche | yeah that too; you're free to do whatever really if you just keep it to yourself |
| 18:28.30 | LStranger | I just like to help others who use it, you know. |
| 18:29.42 | LStranger | jleclanche: to be honest, I'm surprised to see you here too. :) |
| 18:30.11 | jleclanche | LStranger: ive been here longer than any other irc channel |
| 18:30.30 | LStranger | I see. |
| 18:31.40 | mikma | WoW has started to dismount me when i change zones |
| 18:31.46 | mikma | kinda neat to fall from the sky |
| 18:32.05 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.14 | LStranger | so well, is there a possibility to revive that addon or not after all? |
| 18:34.25 | Semlar | if you can't get the author's permission and it doesn't have a license that allows you to do that, then no |
| 18:34.45 | LStranger | I see. Sad but fair. |
| 18:34.49 | LStranger | Thank you. |
| 18:34.54 | Semlar | copyright kills progress |
| 18:35.47 | LStranger | That's too bad author not mentioned copyright at all. |
| 18:36.13 | Semlar | no license means all rights reserved |
| 18:39.26 | LStranger | Thanks all, have a good day! (or whatever) |
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| 18:41.47 | jleclanche | Rematch is great now |
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| 19:28.57 | jnwhiteh | My |
| 19:28.59 | jnwhiteh | Hrm |
| 19:29.12 | jnwhiteh | I'm landing in SFO at 17:55 |
| 19:29.26 | jnwhiteh | I have a flight to catch at 19:50 on a separate booking. |
| 19:29.33 | jnwhiteh | Think I can make it? |
| 19:29.41 | jnwhiteh | what about if I check a bag? |
| 19:33.55 | Fisker | Depends really |
| 19:34.27 | Fisker | Took like 15 minutes for me to check in and reach the gate when I went :P |
| 19:34.50 | Fisker | As long as you don't have to do security again you'll probably be fine |
| 19:34.56 | Fisker | Where are you going jnwhiteh ? |
| 19:35.09 | jnwhiteh | its confusing |
| 19:35.16 | jnwhiteh | ARN -> ORD -> SFO -> PHX all on the same day |
| 19:35.20 | jnwhiteh | then PHX -> SFO the next day |
| 19:35.26 | jnwhiteh | then SFO -> PHX four days later |
| 19:35.34 | jnwhiteh | then PHX -> ORD -> ARN the next week |
| 19:36.28 | Fisker | Weird |
| 19:37.07 | Fisker | You should just redirect to LAX |
| 19:37.18 | Fisker | They have Obama signs there |
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| 19:46.53 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: you have US passport though, so customs and immigrations shouldn't be that bad... |
| 19:47.48 | Thunder_Child | jnwhiteh: There is "supposed" to be some basic logic checking when booking connecting flights unless you did them separately. |
| 19:47.58 | jnwhiteh | Thunder_Child: they were booked separately |
| 19:48.01 | jnwhiteh | because fm |
| 19:48.03 | jnwhiteh | fml |
| 19:48.08 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: unless you're arriving to SFO via domestic, in which case, you might be able to do it, depending on how long checking in luggage lines are |
| 19:48.17 | jnwhiteh | its a domestic arrival |
| 19:48.20 | jnwhiteh | and I've purchased priority |
| 19:48.25 | jnwhiteh | and probably will avoid checking a bag |
| 19:48.32 | jnwhiteh | although with priority i can probably afford to |
| 19:49.12 | Thunder_Child | That seems like an ass backwards flight plan |
| 19:50.55 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 19:50.58 | jnwhiteh | i'm going to SFO for work |
| 19:51.03 | jnwhiteh | and then flying a week later to PHX to visit famil |
| 19:51.06 | jnwhiteh | and going home to ARN |
| 19:51.14 | jnwhiteh | now there's a thing the saturday I get in |
| 19:51.22 | jnwhiteh | so I'm turning around and flying to PHX |
| 19:51.26 | jnwhiteh | then back |
| 19:51.56 | Thunder_Child | I mean "ARN -> ORD -> SFO -> PHX all on the same day" |
| 19:52.03 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 19:52.05 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 19:52.08 | Thunder_Child | That's like ~800 miles out of the way? |
| 19:52.10 | jnwhiteh | its ARN -> ORD -> SFO |
| 19:52.12 | Maldivia | hope you have packed some good books |
| 19:52.14 | jnwhiteh | then SFO -> PHX |
| 19:52.19 | jnwhiteh | i will be so exhausted |
| 19:52.21 | Maldivia | (charged your kindle) |
| 19:52.24 | jnwhiteh | the first set of flights were booked first |
| 19:52.31 | jnwhiteh | or I'd have PHX be my home base |
| 19:52.35 | Thunder_Child | Ah. |
| 19:56.11 | Fisker | You have to check out and check in again? |
| 19:56.24 | Thunder_Child | He shouldn't. |
| 19:56.28 | Fisker | Well "check out" |
| 19:56.43 | Thunder_Child | It depends on if you have to go to a different non-connected terminal. |
| 19:56.53 | Fisker | RDP is terrible on this free wifi |
| 19:57.20 | Thunder_Child | As long as you stay within the security cordon, it's fine. |
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| 20:31.34 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxu6r9XzWyI best song about an illness? |
| 20:45.36 | Thunder_Child | no, it's not about you. |
| 20:52.37 | VIad | ... hmm, wish we could tag items as junk |
| 20:52.38 | VIad | for vendoring |
| 20:52.44 | VIad | so the sort bag thingy placed them at the bottom :D |
| 20:52.48 | VIad | or in the junk bag |
| 20:53.44 | fewyn | i wish wow had a built in vendor all this junk feature |
| 20:54.09 | karl_w_w | I wish wow didnt have junk. |
| 20:54.33 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/kzdqLxk.jpg |
| 20:54.35 | karl_w_w | junk is just less convenient gold |
| 20:56.51 | Semlar | addons to the rescue! |
| 20:57.45 | fewyn | i need to remember to install one for junk when i get home |
| 20:59.33 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 20:59.33 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml |
| 20:59.43 | Neffi | one day I will bookmark that link |
| 21:00.23 | jnwhiteh | its the commands i want |
| 21:00.25 | jnwhiteh | never the links |
| 21:02.27 | jleclanche | purl: framexml is also ExportInterfaceFiles (code|art) in the console |
| 21:02.27 | purl | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/live/FrameXML/is also ExportInterfaceFiles (code|art) in the console |
| 21:02.43 | Neffi | I used to keep it around locally, but I would always forget to update it and end up looking at outdated framexml code |
| 21:03.27 | jleclanche | purl: no, framexml is also ExportInterfaceFiles (code|art) in the console |
| 21:03.27 | purl | okay, jleclanche |
| 21:04.25 | Neffi | plus the townlong yakk link has features I don't have locally and can't be arsed to try and replicate |
| 21:04.44 | foxlit | ~framexml |
| 21:04.44 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml. ExportInterfaceFiles code in the console |
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| 21:11.19 | Thunder_Child | iirc that randoms it jleclanche. |
| 21:11.33 | jleclanche | no matter |
| 21:11.34 | Thunder_Child | you should do code/art |
| 21:11.55 | Neffi | it does |
| 21:12.21 | Neffi | anyway, the very first link is instructions for extracting it, so no need |
| 22:01.14 | Thunder_Child | Anyone know why "if (typeof document.getElementsByClassName('overlay_message') != 'undefined')" would not trigger? |
| 22:07.58 | Semlar | maybe it doesn't equal 'undefined' |
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| 22:08.35 | Thunder_Child | Then it would trigger. |
| 22:08.47 | Semlar | i mean maybe it does equal undefined |
| 22:09.02 | Thunder_Child | Except I see it on screen, so It is there. |
| 22:09.14 | Thunder_Child | I am trying to auto close a js pnotification |
| 22:09.21 | Thunder_Child | js notification* |
| 22:12.25 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure that returns "object" event if there are no elements with that class |
| 22:13.04 | Semlar | so maybe that block isn't being run at all |
| 22:18.14 | zenzelezz | to ask a slightly different question, what *do* you get from the typeof? |
| 22:24.17 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz: huh? |
| 22:25.52 | Semlar | he wants you to output the result of that typeof, but i don't think your script is even running |
| 22:27.05 | Thunder_Child | Yea, I got that but I seem to be having some issue doing that |
| 22:28.53 | Thunder_Child | Alert doesn't even want to play nice. |
| 22:29.30 | Semlar | there's a debugger in your browser |
| 22:29.53 | Semlar | ctrl+shift+s or something in firefox |
| 22:30.56 | zenzelezz | I've had similar issues before (with alert/console apparently not working |
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| 23:25.05 | Tuller | excitement |
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| 23:30.42 | Xuerian | Tuller: ? |
| 23:30.56 | Tuller | nothing |
| 23:37.14 | Thunder_Child | Tuller: You must be a cheap date. |
| 23:40.19 | Tuller | clearly |
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| 23:55.41 | jleclanche | uhh, blizzard reset the rare counters on pandaria archeology artifacts? |
| 23:57.27 | Fisker | I miss Shirik |
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