| 00:00.35 | Simca | agreed |
| 00:01.15 | Simca | tbh, the bad experience i've had with the majority of aceconfig-based addons is what led me to make my own options panels for all my addons |
| 00:04.07 | Neffi | AceConfig is fine. The issues tend to be with the addons, not the lib |
| 00:04.16 | Neffi | At least that seems to be the case |
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| 00:41.56 | kd3 | ok, WTF. so I'm drriving home, and some random SUV strobes a white light out it's windscreen. my first reaction, "it's a cop", right? Let it by, not a cop. called 911, looks like I'm the first report |
| 00:42.01 | kd3 | s/drriving/driving/ |
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| 00:47.51 | Thunder_Child | kd3: It depends on the state, but that's technically legal. |
| 00:48.11 | Thunder_Child | Most only restrict emergency colors. |
| 01:11.30 | Semlar | neffi someone sent me an in-game mail asking about one of my forum posts |
| 01:13.48 | Semlar | i'm scared neffi |
| 01:15.06 | Gethe | Semlar: Be afraid, be vary afraid |
| 01:15.42 | Torhal | Yes, you should always have varying levels of fear. |
| 01:15.46 | Torhal | Gethe is wise. |
| 01:15.52 | Gethe | >.> |
| 01:16.53 | Gethe | who needs spelling when you have spellcheck. oh, wait... |
| 01:17.43 | Torhal | Hah |
| 01:23.04 | Unkle | I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. |
| 01:23.18 | Torhal | So...you're a meat popsicle? |
| 01:23.38 | Neffi | Semlar: might be it's my alter ego stalking you |
| 01:23.46 | Neffi | Might be it's Torhal's alter ego stalking you |
| 01:23.52 | DJJeff | soooooooooo anyone miss playing warcraft 3??????? |
| 01:24.02 | DJJeff | I am using gimp to make a sunnart for my UI |
| 01:24.04 | DJJeff | http://puu.sh/clw7M.png |
| 01:24.09 | Unkle | Can't miss a game I never played. |
| 01:24.11 | DJJeff | I am going for this style |
| 01:25.03 | DJJeff | I wonder if shadow unit frames can put my 3d guy where arthas is |
| 01:25.23 | DJJeff | I know I can put the health and mana under it |
| 01:25.37 | DJJeff | also........ GIMP rocks |
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| 01:27.38 | DJJeff | when I am done I will share the tga file if anyone wants it |
| 01:29.46 | Unkle | DJJeff: I think some folks have already done most of that work previously. WoWI should have several UIs that include that texture if you just want it, and aren't doing it 'cause you want to do the work. |
| 01:30.22 | DJJeff | im almost done anyways |
| 01:30.35 | DJJeff | im just gonna finish |
| 01:31.29 | DJJeff | I like this art because it has a place to put an XP bar |
| 01:32.03 | DJJeff | and besides I get to learn how to use GIMP more |
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| 01:49.29 | DJJeff | ok I carved arthas out now |
| 01:49.30 | DJJeff | http://puu.sh/clxG3.png |
| 01:49.35 | DJJeff | yaaaaaaaaaay |
| 01:53.07 | DJJeff | damn its 293 pixels tall |
| 01:53.07 | DJJeff | http://puu.sh/clxTH.png |
| 01:53.29 | DJJeff | might need to squish that down to like 225 |
| 01:57.20 | Neffi | DJJeff: what is puu.sh? |
| 01:57.25 | Neffi | they don't seem to have a workin index |
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| 01:57.52 | DJJeff | its just a M$ winblows 7 app for taking screenshots |
| 01:58.26 | Neffi | never heard of M$ winblows. I should check it out |
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| 02:10.41 | DJJeff | loaded my theme and its 100% greeeeeeeeeeeeeen |
| 02:10.41 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/OBD8jit.jpg |
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| 02:11.03 | DJJeff | its a tga file like it wants it should work |
| 02:11.18 | kd3 | did those files exist when you started the wow client? |
| 02:11.22 | kd3 | check wow\logs\framexml.log |
| 02:14.06 | DJJeff | this is my framexml log |
| 02:14.07 | DJJeff | https://bpaste.net/show/7ba49af3dfff |
| 02:15.21 | DJJeff | I dont see anything related to sunn in here |
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| 02:34.22 | Arrowmaster | this mother fucker asks about blizzcon tickets and now wont respond to my pings |
| 02:37.46 | Kraps | all the crash course vids on blizzs youtube channel have like 5 ability buttons |
| 02:38.30 | Kraps | at first i thought that was great but wasnt it technically always that way |
| 02:45.07 | Arrowmaster | and i send texts asking about plans for this and next weekend and neither person is responding to my questions even though they just responded when i asked if they were still up |
| 02:46.35 | Seerah | maybe you were too slow and they fell asleep |
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| 03:00.12 | DJJeff | I found my sunnart problem |
| 03:00.20 | DJJeff | it has to be 512 in height |
| 03:00.34 | DJJeff | or a power of 2 (ie, 128, 256, 512, 1024 etc) |
| 03:00.52 | DJJeff | seems to be a wow issue more than sunnart |
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| 03:01.06 | Constie | So the "Instructions for use" section in your screenshot wasn't lying? |
| 03:01.30 | DJJeff | ohhh I missed that part |
| 03:02.01 | DJJeff | strange you did not mention that earlier when I said it was only 293px in height |
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| 03:05.22 | Constie | I was raiding. |
| 03:06.51 | DJJeff | no problem |
| 03:07.00 | DJJeff | it is still green after /reloadui |
| 03:07.10 | DJJeff | might try for a full restart |
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| 03:14.38 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: ping |
| 03:24.42 | DJJeff | uploaded to WoWI in hopes some can help fix it |
| 03:24.43 | DJJeff | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info23209-SunArtPack99.html |
| 03:25.24 | DJJeff | oh nice it even got added to optional on |
| 03:25.24 | DJJeff | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10917-Sunn-ViewportArt.html#other |
| 03:25.30 | Neffi | DJJeff: (1) it's not packaged right. add a top level folder and (2) taking a look at it |
| 03:25.58 | DJJeff | packaged how? |
| 03:26.18 | kd3 | don't upload a zip with the files just there. you need to zip up the folder containing the files |
| 03:26.25 | DJJeff | ah |
| 03:26.31 | DJJeff | did not know that |
| 03:26.47 | Neffi | They should be in a folder with the exact name of the .toc file |
| 03:26.58 | Neffi | Eg, you should be able to directly extract the archive into Interface/AddOns/ |
| 03:27.13 | Neffi | DJJeff: also, the width of the texture needs to be a power of 2 as well. that needs to be fixed |
| 03:27.33 | Neffi | the next up is 2048, but I dont know if the engine supports textures that large. i think 1024 may be the max. |
| 03:28.11 | DJJeff | ok I reuploaded it |
| 03:28.28 | Neffi | couple other things. seems you copied somebody else's TOC and didn't change the relevant fields. it marks Sunn as the author of your package. change that |
| 03:28.29 | Constie | Wowpedia says 1024 is max, yes. |
| 03:28.52 | Neffi | remove his name, email, etc. improper attribution is bad, mk |
| 03:29.42 | DJJeff | 1024x256 would squish this art like crazy |
| 03:29.51 | Neffi | see if you can make it two separate textures |
| 03:30.03 | Neffi | also, try 2048 anyway. wowpedia may be out of datew |
| 03:34.33 | DJJeff | OMG OMG OMG OMG |
| 03:34.35 | DJJeff | I JUST |
| 03:34.38 | DJJeff | JIZZZZZZZZZZZZED |
| 03:34.45 | kd3 | tmi |
| 03:34.47 | kd3 | way, way tmi |
| 03:34.49 | DJJeff | 2048x256 its no longer green |
| 03:34.50 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/aKuf567.jpg |
| 03:34.50 | Neffi | umm, srsly |
| 03:35.42 | DJJeff | I like it <3 |
| 03:37.49 | DJJeff | now to start working on bartender and suf to fit this new art |
| 03:44.32 | Ironii | eh, why did you leave all those wc3 buttons and level 1 paladin text etc |
| 03:45.03 | DJJeff | I left the level 1 text as a reminder thats for the XP bar |
| 03:45.10 | DJJeff | XP bar addon goes over top |
| 03:49.26 | DJJeff | I got player for SUF to fit nicely |
| 03:49.27 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/ciVQSAx.jpg |
| 03:49.49 | DJJeff | would be nice to have a gap between HP and MANA |
| 03:50.34 | Ironii | you can do it with suf |
| 03:51.36 | DJJeff | can you? |
| 03:51.38 | DJJeff | hrmmmm |
| 03:55.50 | DJJeff | cause this is the original layout from WC3 |
| 03:55.51 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/YFaPH9k.jpg |
| 03:56.16 | DJJeff | it just shows cur / max for hp and mana |
| 03:56.21 | DJJeff | nothing else |
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| 04:04.56 | DJJeff | ok I found bar spacing under general |
| 04:05.46 | DJJeff | next to pick a good looking bar texture |
| 04:19.32 | DJJeff | bigger font now :) |
| 04:19.33 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/uOieo49.jpg |
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| 04:36.40 | Primer | so I bought the razer naga epic...and I don't like it |
| 04:37.01 | Primer | It feels impossible to feel exactly where the side buttons are |
| 04:37.10 | Gragagrogog | hex is better in that... |
| 04:38.47 | Primer | fucking greylisting's been off for 5 minutes so I can get an email, and already 3 spams |
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| 04:42.18 | Primer | yeah, I actually can't stand this mouse |
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| 04:45.05 | Semlar | i'm going to delete my hunter neffi |
| 04:45.30 | Semlar | it doesn't do any damage |
| 04:48.16 | DJJeff | 1st attempt at bar 1 |
| 04:48.17 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/1eICUPy.jpg |
| 04:50.27 | DJJeff | my arts size is all goofy like |
| 04:52.19 | A-KO | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1SeGUM_c9s < a-w-e-s-o-m-e |
| 04:53.59 | Constie | Halloween almost makes me wish I lived in the US. It's not really a thing here. |
| 04:54.28 | Semlar | what, you don't have stranger's kids showing up at your door begging for candy? |
| 04:54.56 | Constie | Nope! |
| 04:55.03 | Semlar | weird |
| 04:55.32 | Constie | I saw one person in a costume the other year, and sometimes people have like a witch hat on. |
| 05:07.56 | Semlar | they might just be goth |
| 05:14.25 | Dagmar | It doesn't happen as much in the US anymore |
| 05:14.48 | Dagmar | Too many people getting themselves worked up about people putting terrorists into candied apples. |
| 05:15.14 | Dagmar | Despite a complete lack of this ever happening, anywhere. |
| 05:16.35 | Semlar | they'd have to be tiny |
| 05:16.41 | Semlar | or the apples would have to be huge |
| 05:18.03 | Constie | Possibly both. |
| 05:19.34 | Ironii | http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Poisoned_Apple |
| 05:20.24 | Arrowmaster | ok cool my credit score went up 27 points this month somehow |
| 05:20.25 | Ironii | why can't they just fix addon list on beta allready, i want to do some levelnig :'< |
| 05:21.02 | Constie | Apparently Holy Priests now get Holy Word: Serenity at level 20 and Chakra: Serenity at level 56. The former can't be used without the latter. |
| 05:22.07 | Gragagrogog | monks get the spell that detonates healing spheres from mastery at level ~50 |
| 05:23.10 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.48 | Constie | We did slightly better tonight: http://i.imgur.com/wQdUpFV.jpg |
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| 05:27.23 | Semlar | this was our first attempt and a lot of people hadn't seen the fight before |
| 05:27.35 | Semlar | but we came back and killed him |
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| 05:27.47 | Semlar | we actually probably would have killed him there except he froze the entire raid |
| 05:28.15 | Ironii | Constie don't you have any raid frames ? O.o |
| 05:28.29 | Semlar | constie was soloing the boss |
| 05:28.40 | Constie | I've been too lazy to set up Grid, otherwise I would. |
| 05:29.41 | Ironii | Semlar whats the addon that shows your targets location? |
| 05:30.12 | Semlar | the crosshairs? |
| 05:30.42 | Ironii | yea |
| 05:30.54 | Semlar | that's my focus target and it's part of my nameplate addon |
| 05:31.07 | Constie | Raid frames aren't really terribly useful for Shadow, though. Selecting people for Leap of Faith is probably usually better done by clicking them in the world, and other than that they would almost only be for seeing debuffs I can use Mass Dispel on, which is rather rare. |
| 05:31.33 | Constie | RIP Void Shift. |
| 05:32.26 | Ironii | leap, pw:s, renew, so you can time your healing cd, to see if someone is dead and you have to take their spot on something, use item x on player y on some encounters |
| 05:32.28 | Constie | Well, it's rare for it to be a good idea to use it, rather. |
| 05:32.28 | Ironii | :P |
| 05:36.02 | Constie | Renew is Holy-only, I raid with a Disc Priest, my PoM isn't going to save anyone's life, extended raid damage that would make VE useful is better predicted via boss timers, and hence "almost". |
| 05:36.25 | Ironii | really, did they change renew to holy only :o |
| 05:37.01 | Primer | PoM has a cast time now too |
| 05:39.03 | Constie | Oh, I guess I also have Flash Heal. That's still very little healing that I can't keep up for long, though. |
| 05:39.08 | Primer | and using it breaks you out of shadow form |
| 05:39.22 | Primer | Constie: you don't pvp |
| 05:40.06 | Constie | I do have some standards for how to spend my time. |
| 05:41.08 | Primer | Just saying, flash heal is pretty useful in pvp |
| 05:41.11 | Primer | more so than in pve |
| 05:41.22 | Primer | as shadow, that is |
| 05:41.24 | Constie | Oh, yeah, I would assume so. |
| 05:41.52 | Primer | I'm having to break a long standing habit of casting PoM and PW:Shield on me during downtime |
| 05:42.06 | Primer | and renew if not at 100% HP |
| 05:44.16 | Constie | I wish Shadow got Divine Hymn and regular friendly dispel back, but I guess that's not the direction the game is going in. |
| 05:44.50 | Primer | well, those two are long gone |
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| 06:17.25 | DJJeff | hehehehehe |
| 06:17.26 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/GDrQz51.jpg |
| 06:17.32 | DJJeff | my buttons need more padding |
| 06:17.44 | DJJeff | 20 padding is not enough |
| 06:20.31 | Gragagrogog | hmm, 12 buttons, what class do u play? |
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| 06:21.30 | nevcairiel | DJJeff: you can probably enter a number d irectly overriding the max slider vlaue |
| 06:22.11 | Constie | Or else use four bars of three buttons each. |
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| 06:23.40 | DJJeff | that might work |
| 06:26.31 | DJJeff | ok I typed in 25 and it works |
| 06:31.14 | DJJeff | *sigh* |
| 06:31.22 | DJJeff | not perfect but getting there |
| 06:31.23 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/fjTWLts.jpg |
| 06:33.57 | DJJeff | I am sooooo putting buffs mounts and toys under invintory |
| 06:34.07 | DJJeff | inventory* |
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| 07:07.37 | DJJeff | ACK ..... SuF errors in a dungeon |
| 07:07.38 | DJJeff | https://bpaste.net/show/a03a26b24ae9 |
| 07:07.44 | Mr_Rabies | pompy: you're pompachomp on curse, et, al, right? :o |
| 07:08.15 | nevcairiel | thats usually him |
| 07:12.04 | DJJeff | oh its been reported alreayd |
| 07:12.09 | karl_w_w | hold me nevcairiel |
| 07:12.14 | karl_w_w | a man took my tooth |
| 07:12.25 | nevcairiel | why did you let him do that |
| 07:12.29 | Kalroth | the last one? |
| 07:12.38 | karl_w_w | yeah, no teeth left |
| 07:12.44 | karl_w_w | he made me pay him for it as well |
| 07:13.12 | Kalroth | the nerve |
| 07:13.19 | karl_w_w | i got home with a mouth full of fluid because im very reluctant to swallow, checked in the mirror, almost all of it is saliva! |
| 07:13.21 | p3lim | http://xkcd.com/1437/ |
| 07:13.22 | karl_w_w | thumbs up |
| 07:20.46 | Neffi | karl_w_w: o.O |
| 07:21.10 | Neffi | oh, wisdom tooth pulled? |
| 07:21.20 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 07:21.28 | Neffi | that's a very confusing few lines without context and the reader is a bit buzzed |
| 07:21.34 | Gragagrogog | so.. -10 wisdom? |
| 07:21.37 | karl_w_w | that was the intention |
| 07:21.57 | Neffi | in other news, Spaten Optimator is so excellent |
| 07:22.24 | karl_w_w | oh i saw news today |
| 07:22.39 | karl_w_w | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29708358 |
| 07:23.13 | karl_w_w | even though it's yesterday's news |
| 07:26.33 | Neffi | "Purchase article full text and PDF" :( |
| 07:26.45 | Neffi | also wtf bbc. middle click opens in new tab. why are you overriding that? |
| 07:32.05 | mitch0 | could someone with a DK help me with a little test? |
| 07:32.58 | mitch0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.22 | nevcairiel | cant, game is down |
| 07:33.29 | mitch0 | ;( |
| 07:34.02 | mitch0 | I tried to log into beta yesterday but the friggin bnet updater bailed out under wine :( |
| 07:35.04 | karl_w_w | middle click new tabs for me Neffi |
| 07:36.04 | karl_w_w | also it didnt paywall me |
| 07:36.19 | Neffi | Talking about the link to the article in Nature |
| 07:36.34 | Neffi | on both accounts. middle-clicking that link directs me to it in the same tab |
| 07:36.56 | Neffi | all other links behave normally. strange. |
| 07:38.12 | karl_w_w | i like how the related stories tracks the breakthroughs |
| 07:38.16 | Maldivia | ctrl-click then |
| 07:39.14 | Neffi | I can open it just fine. I just hate when web pages fight against the default behavior |
| 07:39.47 | Maldivia | you mean like 95% of the sites out there ? |
| 07:40.04 | Maldivia | where links aren't actually link, but javascript hooks instead |
| 07:42.57 | karl_w_w | i hate websites that override / |
| 07:43.14 | karl_w_w | twitter, facebook, google come to mind |
| 07:43.32 | Neffi | yeah, it's becoming increasingly common, and the more fancy the site, the more bafflingly strange the behavior |
| 07:43.37 | karl_w_w | ooh google doesnt do it any more |
| 07:43.42 | Neffi | at least some sites have the good sense to try and make it act reasonable |
| 07:46.03 | karl_w_w | imagine if i dont get any pain at all |
| 07:46.08 | karl_w_w | how awesome would that be |
| 07:46.38 | karl_w_w | im going to make it happen through the power of positive thinking |
| 07:47.09 | karl_w_w | sign me up for The Secret |
| 07:47.26 | Neffi | and alcohol. don't forget alcohol. |
| 07:48.05 | karl_w_w | alcohol thins blood |
| 07:48.38 | karl_w_w | especially when applied directly to a wound |
| 07:49.30 | karl_w_w | besides, opiates are stronger |
| 07:51.15 | karl_w_w | they should just give you a few syringes full of lidocaine so you can stay numb for 24 hours :P |
| 08:04.39 | karl_w_w | my god my face is itchy and still numb at the same time |
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| 08:53.30 | doub | is it possible to read a db2 file from the CASC from within an addon? |
| 08:54.31 | nevcairiel | no |
| 09:05.14 | jleclanche | yeah that'd be nice wouldnt it |
| 09:05.27 | jleclanche | give me a few years back maybe |
| 09:08.24 | Neffi | doub: fancy seeing you here |
| 09:08.54 | doub | new expansion, my company needs to update the addon |
| 09:16.35 | Neffi | no playing games at work, doub |
| 09:17.41 | doub | i've got 5 gaming mice on my desk at the moment, my boss wouldn't mind :D |
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| 09:20.02 | Neffi | that's a little excessive o.o |
| 09:20.20 | doub | yes, indeed |
| 09:20.25 | Neffi | I guess you do something gaming related? Razer? |
| 09:20.35 | doub | mad catz |
| 09:20.38 | Neffi | Ah, cool |
| 09:20.55 | Neffi | gief me free gaming mouse? lol |
| 09:21.27 | nevcairiel | why does every company call themself a "leading manufacturer", if everyone is leading there is noone to lead, and all is pointless! |
| 09:21.57 | doub | the leading role is changing often |
| 09:22.06 | doub | we copy some of their stuff, they copy some of ours |
| 09:22.44 | doub | as a pack we lead the hordes of chinese clone that only copy and never get copied |
| 09:23.20 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: perhaps they putting a lot of lead in their stuff :D |
| 09:23.48 | doub | some gamers like heavy mice :D |
| 09:23.57 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: hah |
| 09:28.17 | Simca | db2s are updated rarely for Live, so you just dump all of the information you need from them into a .lua file, include it with your addon, and update the addon every patch |
| 09:28.29 | Simca | ^ doub |
| 09:29.08 | doub | the problem is my boss won't allocate dev time every patch, but i guess it's his problem :D |
| 09:29.27 | Simca | you could automate the process |
| 09:30.16 | doub | yeah, i am doing that |
| 09:30.23 | Simca | watch for changes in versions, download the latest db2, dump the data and manipulate it to the proper format for a lua table, and then upload the new version to svn/git/hg and curse would package it |
| 09:30.42 | Neffi | doub: What kind of info, specifically, do you need? |
| 09:30.48 | Neffi | and why? |
| 09:31.20 | doub | i need to associate a mount id from a cursor drop to an index i can pass to the MountJournal |
| 09:31.41 | doub | basically we got action bars without actions |
| 09:31.44 | Neffi | A cursor drop? |
| 09:31.53 | doub | drag and drop a mount from your journal to our addon |
| 09:32.10 | Neffi | Sure you need db2 data for that? |
| 09:32.29 | Simca | I wouldn't be surprised |
| 09:32.36 | doub | yeah, new thing from 6.0, the drop is now "mount",obscure_int instead of the spell id it used to be |
| 09:32.49 | doub | and the obscure_int is nowhere to be seen except in Mount.db2 |
| 09:33.04 | Simca | the API gives out less than half of what the client has locally available in db2s/dbcs |
| 09:33.07 | Simca | probably less than a third |
| 09:33.33 | Neffi | So you can't see which mount the user is trying to drop on your action button without an obscure_int -> realid map? |
| 09:33.38 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 09:33.38 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml |
| 09:33.42 | Neffi | let me see something |
| 09:34.23 | Neffi | what is the mountjournal called in framexml? |
| 09:34.32 | doub | C_MountJournal |
| 09:34.40 | doub | it's in PetJournal.lua or something like that |
| 09:34.43 | Simca | petjournal, neffi |
| 09:34.47 | doub | relevant thread: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49599 |
| 09:36.21 | Simca | the int isn't really obscure at all though, btw. It's MountID, and I'm surprised it isn't used more frequently |
| 09:36.37 | nevcairiel | its just not usable ingame by any API |
| 09:36.41 | Simca | I guess Blizzard forgot to expose it |
| 09:37.01 | Simca | they exposed BattlePetSpeciesID, which is the equivalent for pets |
| 09:42.31 | Neffi | doub: If you really want to avoid depending on imported data, you cache all the info, no? programmatically "pick up" each mount, and build a mountid->whatever table, then clear the cursor |
| 09:42.45 | doub | yes, that's an option |
| 09:43.14 | doub | it's not super nice to spam the user cursor every time he drops a new mount though |
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| 09:43.30 | doub | (new as in he just got it) |
| 09:43.52 | Neffi | mounts are not something gotten often |
| 09:43.55 | Simca | you could implement both approaches |
| 09:44.16 | Neffi | the vast majority of the time this would only need to be run once, likely before the loading screen disappears (if the info is available yet) |
| 09:44.54 | Simca | that way you would only have to bother with trying to figure it out yourself if you failed to update it between patches |
| 09:45.22 | Neffi | mountid is unique, right? |
| 09:45.35 | Neffi | so no need to flush and rebuild the entire cache when one new mount is learned? |
| 09:45.45 | Simca | yeah it is unique |
| 09:46.02 | doub | no, but you need to iterate over the whole mount journal to find the one you don't have in cache |
| 09:46.36 | Neffi | not necessarily |
| 09:46.58 | doub | ie. foreach do PickMount; GetCursor; compare id; ClearCursor end |
| 09:47.29 | Neffi | search your cache, not the mountjournal |
| 09:47.54 | Neffi | or keep a two-way cache; cache[mountid] = name; cache[name] = true |
| 09:48.04 | doub | of course, i was talking about the new mount case |
| 09:48.27 | Neffi | I can't find the C_MountJournal API |
| 09:48.50 | Simca | it's new, so there is no documentation |
| 09:49.10 | doub | it's basic, there's Summon, Dismiss, Pickup and GetInfo, all take an index (not the mount id) |
| 09:49.51 | Simca | PetJournal has a GetInfoByID and GetInfoByIndex and GetInfoBySpeciesID |
| 09:51.11 | doub | the mount journal only has GetMountInfo and GetMountInfoExtra, both take the same index |
| 09:51.28 | jleclanche | doub: theres no way to find mounts by dbc id if its what you're thinking of |
| 09:51.31 | Neffi | doub: when mounts change (or first login) just: iterate between 1 and C_MountJournal.GetNumMounts(); check if first/second return of C_MountJournal.GetMountInfo(index) is in your cache; if not, put it on cursor and retreive info |
| 09:51.47 | Neffi | You should only need to set the cursor once when learning one new mount |
| 09:52.14 | doub | right, of course |
| 09:52.42 | jleclanche | uh |
| 09:52.45 | jleclanche | wait what |
| 09:52.58 | jleclanche | doub: where did you find the mount id from db2 in the interface? |
| 09:53.03 | jleclanche | I didnt find it exposed anywhere |
| 09:53.09 | nevcairiel | GetCursorInfo() returns it |
| 09:53.15 | nevcairiel | as does GetActionInfo() |
| 09:53.19 | Neffi | jleclanche: scrape all known mounts for their mountid by putting them on the cursor, checking GetCursorInfo() and then ClearCursor() |
| 09:53.21 | jleclanche | nothing else? so its useless then? |
| 09:53.30 | nevcairiel | its only returned by things, not taken by anything |
| 09:53.37 | nevcairiel | but he wants to identify which mount is on the cursor |
| 09:53.39 | nevcairiel | and he can't |
| 09:53.44 | jleclanche | because GetMountInfo and Extra take a weirdass alphabetical id |
| 09:54.12 | Neffi | the doc says GetMountInfo takes a number from 1 to GetNumMounts() |
| 09:54.19 | jleclanche | yes exactly |
| 09:54.31 | jleclanche | doub: btw you might enjoy this: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14774-FindIt.html |
| 09:54.55 | jleclanche | also i did garrison followers yesterday, linking millhouse manastorm is fun. |
| 09:55.17 | Neffi | that was made by a crazy man named Adys. don't use it! |
| 09:55.37 | Neffi | I hear he changed his name, went crazy, and started doing stuff with Qt |
| 09:55.51 | jleclanche | hold on |
| 09:56.00 | jleclanche | you said it was made by a crazy man named adys |
| 09:56.06 | jleclanche | yet he changed his name and went crazy |
| 09:56.11 | Neffi | he's crazy now, yes |
| 09:56.14 | nevcairiel | crazier! |
| 09:56.17 | jleclanche | so which is it? if he's crazy, he's not adys. and if he's adys, he's not crazy |
| 09:56.18 | Neffi | yup! |
| 09:57.42 | jleclanche | Neffi: foss with a nick is hard :( |
| 09:58.00 | nevcairiel | nonsense |
| 09:58.07 | Neffi | nevcairiel seems to manage |
| 09:58.59 | jleclanche | let's see |
| 09:59.23 | jleclanche | mpc-hc, come on, that's the easiest one to use a nick for :p |
| 10:00.01 | jleclanche | one of our devs is chinese, he uses a nickname (pcman), it's *extremely* weird every time he gets mentioned |
| 10:00.18 | nevcairiel | i dont really contribute there much, mostly through ffmpeg |
| 10:00.48 | jleclanche | the video player community seems to be ok with nicknames |
| 10:00.59 | Neffi | and the DE community isn't? |
| 10:01.08 | jleclanche | yes, does that surprise you? |
| 10:01.13 | Neffi | yeah, kinda |
| 10:01.42 | jleclanche | being active *and* pseudonymous is extremely hard in some areas, even if you dont care about your rl identity |
| 10:02.05 | jleclanche | in some parts its more accepted than others |
| 10:02.10 | karl_w_w | icefrog does it quite well |
| 10:02.30 | jleclanche | yeah in the gaming community its extremely easy |
| 10:03.00 | Neffi | maybe if lxqt stands up for anonymity you could get those crazy mask guys on your side |
| 10:03.05 | Neffi | and you could have your nick back! |
| 10:03.23 | jleclanche | if i had to guess, for the video/music player community, it's related to having a heavy community of torrenters where being anonymous/pseudonymous is widely accepted |
| 10:03.36 | jleclanche | i dont want my nick back it's my gaming identity |
| 10:04.07 | karl_w_w | but it seems so much less nonsensical than jleclanche :P |
| 10:04.14 | Neffi | that's a very sober way of seeing it |
| 10:04.19 | jleclanche | well shoot me, I have a shitty name |
| 10:04.40 | Neffi | the way I see it "neffi" is an alter ego I get to wear when I'm at a keyboard and don't have to worry about being an idiot |
| 10:04.44 | jleclanche | Neffi: i split my gaming identity from my foss identity |
| 10:05.21 | jleclanche | Neffi: well yes, same here, which is why i split the two. my foss identity is very much who i am in real life where i dont get that privilege |
| 10:05.31 | Neffi | if Anthony were to act as stupid as Neffi does sometimes, I'm not sure how my family and friends would see me lol |
| 10:05.58 | jleclanche | hey Stanzilla Neffi's name is anthony, watcha gonna do now |
| 10:06.09 | Neffi | what's wrong with that? |
| 10:06.36 | jleclanche | oh nothing's wrong with that, something's going on with Stanzilla tho. |
| 10:06.51 | nevcairiel | just because he calls you jerome? |
| 10:07.38 | jleclanche | it's weird even when you say it, nevcairiel |
| 10:07.47 | nevcairiel | you find your name weird? |
| 10:07.55 | Neffi | cool. let's all start calling him jerome |
| 10:08.02 | jleclanche | like, five lines above :p |
| 10:08.18 | Kalroth | i like it |
| 10:08.26 | jleclanche | fondles Kalle |
| 10:08.34 | Kalroth | i like that too |
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| 10:15.58 | jleclanche | Kalroth: did you see the new buttpl- er, magnificent piece of art in the middle of the Place Vendome in paris? |
| 10:17.12 | Neffi | Parisians have such exquisite and sophisticated taste |
| 10:17.23 | jleclanche | http://culturebox.francetvinfo.fr/sites/default/files/assets/images/2014/10/thetreemccarthy.jpg |
| 10:17.26 | jleclanche | its a christmas tree. |
| 10:17.38 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:17.40 | Neffi | Truly they are unrivaled among men in the realm of fine arts |
| 10:18.18 | Neffi | jleclanche: isn't it literally a buttplug? some artist's work? or did i hear wrong? |
| 10:18.34 | jleclanche | Neffi: its a christmas tree. |
| 10:18.52 | Neffi | oh, ok. that's a terrible christmas tree man |
| 10:20.05 | jleclanche | the artist is a reformed architect; he used to design skyscrapers that looked like genitals for crappy sitcoms |
| 10:20.54 | Neffi | the news articles on this are hilarious |
| 10:21.15 | Neffi | apparently he's been beat up over it, and now it's gone. also, many news outlets officially report it as a buttplug |
| 10:21.56 | Kalroth | jleclanche: yes it's huge, i called Fiskers mom and told her to bring it back home |
| 10:36.05 | Maldivia | jleclanche: they re-erected it? |
| 10:38.59 | Maldivia | jleclanche: because vandals turned the giant buttplug into a giant condom: http://i.imgur.com/FlN84Em.jpg |
| 10:39.09 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:41.16 | Kalroth | haha |
| 10:43.28 | jleclanche | Maldivia: :D |
| 10:43.53 | jleclanche | Maldivia: nice placement of the word re-erect there btw! |
| 10:43.57 | jleclanche | ~Maldivia++ |
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