| 00:00.07 | Torhal | refrains from touching Semlar. |
| 00:00.21 | Semlar | can't touch dis |
| 00:00.27 | DJJeff | what makes me scratch my head is RBS does not even do anything with quest items |
| 00:00.35 | Torhal | DJJeff: Yup. |
| 00:00.37 | DJJeff | so why would it toss up this error |
| 00:00.48 | Semlar | because it taints something somewhere |
| 00:00.50 | Torhal | Because somewhere along the line, it touched something that the QuestLog USES. |
| 00:00.57 | foxlit | because no man is an island. |
| 00:01.07 | foxlit | and UI developers only run secure code. |
| 00:01.18 | Semlar | six degrees of taint everything |
| 00:02.06 | Torhal | So the secure environment part of the QuestLog says "Oh, this is tainted. Who touched it last? I'll blame them (and not say what or why)" |
| 00:02.14 | DJJeff | zelda loot addon I understand but not RBS |
| 00:02.30 | DJJeff | or fatality like wtf |
| 00:02.38 | DJJeff | or what fuck the |
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| 00:08.12 | Shirik | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/462 |
| 00:12.57 | kd3 | heh |
| 00:12.58 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 00:13.57 | Kraps | hi guys |
| 00:13.58 | Ressy | lol |
| 00:14.20 | Kraps | did six point ex drop |
| 00:14.29 | kd3 | last tuesday |
| 00:14.38 | DJJeff | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/458 |
| 00:14.41 | DJJeff | lol |
| 00:14.49 | DJJeff | goggles that spy on other peoples chat |
| 00:15.03 | Kraps | wow |
| 00:15.39 | Kraps | i am so stressed about school and work i didnt even notice |
| 00:16.56 | Kraps | and i havent logged in in ages but i think i'm still paying (?) |
| 00:18.23 | Thunder_Child | That should not be difficult you ocheck. |
| 00:19.16 | Kraps | is ocheck a slavic curseword |
| 00:21.10 | Primer | yes |
| 00:22.52 | tz | ....is there a sub-msec GetTime() floating around or do they not expose that information in the API? |
| 00:23.18 | Kraps | Primer was a movie that i understood the beginning and end of |
| 00:23.20 | Semlar | debugprofilestop() |
| 00:23.28 | Kraps | and those parts were cool |
| 00:23.39 | tz | cheers |
| 00:23.52 | Primer | Kraps: never seen it |
| 00:27.21 | Simca | i was told somewhere that debugprofilestart/stop was expensive and to use it sparingly, but yeah, it does what you want |
| 00:27.39 | Xuerian | foxlit: I was asking what Globe was and realized it was some alien addon insulter from space |
| 00:29.44 | tz | well I'm using it for call timing, so it won't be on under normal circumstances anyway |
| 00:32.04 | Semlar | well you're restricted to the time between frames anyway, how accurate does it need to be |
| 00:33.01 | tz | looking for cumulative time, most are returning zero when using GetTime(), at least I'm getting numbers now |
| 00:33.37 | Semlar | you're timing your functions? |
| 00:34.37 | Semlar | there's a GetFunctionCPUUsage function too |
| 00:36.03 | tz | well isn't that interesting |
| 00:36.05 | tz | hmmm |
| 00:36.44 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#debug |
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| 01:10.35 | DJJeff | I have xfer my mage back and forth from horde to alliance over 7 times since WotLK |
| 01:10.49 | DJJeff | alot of my quests in alot of zones say 0 of 85 etc |
| 01:10.59 | DJJeff | for loremaster achiev |
| 01:11.34 | DJJeff | I can not get the pumpkin in kun lai summit because the area is on fire due to the quest chain |
| 01:12.32 | DJJeff | so I need to redo all the quests I already did in kun lai summit during cata xpac |
| 01:16.06 | DJJeff | is it because alot of the pre cata quests no longer exist in cata and mop and wod |
| 01:44.27 | Ironii | any ideas why ChatFrame1:SetPoint('BOTTOMLEFT', UIParent,'BOTTOMLEFT', 500,10) doesn't work? |
| 01:44.45 | Ironii | it looks like i can move it up and down but not left/right |
| 01:45.29 | kd3 | check that you don't have anchors set on the right side too |
| 01:50.22 | Ironii | is that even possible ;p |
| 01:53.37 | Semlar | just ClearAllPoints before setting new ones |
| 01:54.25 | Semlar | the chat frame is also clamped to the screen so if you want to move it lower you'll need to do ChatFrame1:SetClampedToScreen(false) |
| 01:56.39 | Ironii | yeah clearallpoints fixed that problem, still having problems with setting the frame to right place & size after logging in |
| 01:56.47 | Ironii | tho it should be fixed when i find the right blizzard addon ;P |
| 01:57.56 | Semlar | it's user placed and may even have something else yet changing its position |
| 01:58.44 | Semlar | the fact that it's user placed means when it loads those settings it'll be moved after you're moving it |
| 01:59.17 | Ironii | true, but im hoping that setting values abit later will fix it |
| 01:59.20 | Semlar | i don't know if you can just do ChatFrame1:SetUserPlaced(false) and have that fix it but it might be worth a try |
| 02:01.06 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/55gnETdU so my addon is being blamed here and blocking the interface from replacing an enchant on an item |
| 02:01.22 | Semlar | but i can't reproduce it |
| 02:01.30 | Ironii | IsAddOnLoaded("Blizzard_CombatLog") fixed it |
| 02:01.37 | Semlar | so it almost has to be a conflict with another addon |
| 02:02.15 | Ironii | can the user reproduce it? |
| 02:02.32 | Semlar | yeah, he can't enchant a shoulder vellum |
| 02:02.41 | Semlar | and it doesn't work immediately after a reload |
| 02:03.11 | Semlar | the taint log indicates my addon, but ReplaceEnchant is not a protected function, and i can overwrite my enchants no problem |
| 02:03.26 | Semlar | so i can not figure out what is causing this |
| 02:06.53 | Ironii | ask the user to try it without other addons? |
| 02:07.13 | Semlar | i think he's running a ton of other addons and doesn't really want to do that |
| 02:07.35 | Semlar | i know it works because i'm running my addon by itself and it's not throwing an error or preventing me from overwriting my own enchants |
| 02:08.09 | Semlar | unless shoulder enchants are somehow different from other enchants |
| 02:08.11 | Ironii | well, you could tell him to wait wod launch since there won't be any shoulder enchants in wod ^^ |
| 02:08.33 | Semlar | i don't know, it worked before the patch |
| 02:08.37 | Semlar | and it works for me |
| 02:09.11 | Semlar | all it's doing is calling StaticPopupDialogs['REPLACE_ENCHANT'].OnAccept() |
| 02:11.46 | Semlar | fix it neffi |
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| 02:16.27 | Neffi | ok |
| 02:16.34 | Neffi | "fixes" Semlar |
| 02:16.51 | Semlar | :l |
| 02:17.02 | Ironii | hmph, after 5(?) years i finally have chatframe & minimap on perfect position |
| 02:17.06 | Ironii | and size |
| 02:17.44 | Semlar | glorious |
| 02:18.11 | Semlar | i'm going to sleep because i can't figure out what the problem is |
| 02:18.51 | Ironii | do you think you can get sleep without fixing the problem first ? ;) |
| 02:23.41 | Thunder_Child | Yes, Semlar is lazy. |
| 02:24.02 | Thunder_Child | Und uncaring of the plight of the proletariat. |
| 02:24.06 | Thunder_Child | And* |
| 02:24.23 | Semlar | in my defense, the addon works for me |
| 02:24.41 | Semlar | no body no crime |
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| 02:26.51 | Neffi | no Semlar10, go away. that's too many of you |
| 02:27.08 | Semlar10 | too late |
| 02:28.02 | Arrowmaster | damn game takes up 12 gigs of virt ram no matter what i do |
| 02:39.52 | Thunder_Child | Binary Semlar. Ineresting. |
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| 02:45.45 | Neffi | my god. somebody just suggested pro gamers have more strenuous daily physical routines than atheletes. I think I'm finished with this internet thing |
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| 02:50.43 | Ironii | rofl, i wanted to test if edited bugsack works (wanted to change the texture) so i needed a lua error |
| 02:50.52 | Ironii | /print unithealth() -> wow crashed |
| 02:50.52 | Ironii | :D |
| 02:51.14 | Ironii | again, omg |
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| 03:05.58 | DJJeff | every 3 seconds |
| 03:06.07 | DJJeff | deadly boss mods update avail |
| 03:06.13 | DJJeff | *sigh* |
| 03:06.39 | DJJeff | dbm gets all the love lucky for it |
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| 03:31.38 | Shirik | stabs scratchmonkey |
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| 03:48.22 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
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| 03:48.42 | Fisker | ever been tired? |
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| 06:50.41 | Shirik | wat |
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| 06:51.49 | Neffi | gives Shirik a cookie |
| 06:54.42 | VIad | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/462 |
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| 07:36.26 | Fisker | Hey Shirik |
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| 07:55.23 | ccox | darklegacy has earned the achivement "LOL". |
| 08:08.31 | ccox | WTB users who can actually follow a conversation in a forum without adding non-sequiters and answering the wrong questions |
| 08:11.28 | Kalroth | ccox: ROFL ya thos urs r the worst, u shud just tell them to b bettr |
| 08:11.41 | karl_w_w | ccox, that's what she said |
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| 09:06.27 | mitch0 | "When crafting and I hit "Create All", it only makes one item and then stops. No bug caught by bug sack. Some setting?" <- comment for Bazooka... (an ldb display) |
| 09:21.36 | Maldivia | hehe, although, I think that's a bug with reagent bank? the create all tests if you have the stuff in your backpack, and stops if it find you don't? or well, it was like that at some point in beta |
| 09:23.11 | nevcairiel | doesnt create all just fill in the number of items to make and then uses normal make function |
| 09:24.16 | Primer | znf: indeed, but let's say it's a Patchwerk stand and DPS fight. Which is best? |
| 09:24.32 | znf | Primer, Insanity and Power Infusion most likely |
| 09:24.41 | Stanzilla | a different class |
| 09:24.43 | Primer | Dammit, we're back to that again? |
| 09:24.52 | Stanzilla | no |
| 09:24.55 | Stanzilla | PI is bad |
| 09:25.02 | znf | Stanzilla, pfft, I came #5 last night on Siegecrafter, mkay? :P |
| 09:25.13 | nevcairiel | your raid is bad |
| 09:25.14 | Stanzilla | znf: in your retard raid, good job |
| 09:25.20 | Stanzilla | competing against blind people |
| 09:25.36 | znf | There's no real choice in static fights - Insanity and PI |
| 09:26.07 | Stanzilla | no |
| 09:26.10 | Stanzilla | PI sucks |
| 09:26.16 | znf | Yes it does suck. |
| 09:26.27 | Primer | I came in second to a 579 rogue (I'm 582) on Siegecrafter in a group of 15, but I had ToF |
| 09:26.36 | Primer | I hadn't done any research beforehand though |
| 09:26.40 | Stanzilla | ToF is the best choice on that row |
| 09:26.43 | Primer | just played it by ear |
| 09:26.54 | Stanzilla | even insight is probably better than PI |
| 09:26.56 | znf | *shrug* at how fast Siegecrafter dies now... |
| 09:27.05 | Primer | but I think I had SoD, not insanity |
| 09:27.08 | znf | Dunno what you did, but we just zerged it |
| 09:27.10 | znf | died in less than a minute |
| 09:27.16 | Stanzilla | in those 40s fights we have now, nothing matters |
| 09:27.20 | Stanzilla | but in general |
| 09:27.22 | Primer | we were carrying a lot of undergeared |
| 09:27.24 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: create all works here from the reagent bank |
| 09:27.25 | Stanzilla | what I said is correct |
| 09:27.46 | Primer | we just wanted to get to Garry for heirlooms and someone had a lockout at spoils |
| 09:27.59 | Primer | I got a fucking int shield...and I have no pally or shaman |
| 09:28.03 | znf | brb |
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| 09:28.29 | nevcairiel | Primer: that just means you already have a loom for your character |
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| 09:28.42 | Stanzilla | that's what you get for calling him garry |
| 09:28.54 | nevcairiel | or that |
| 09:29.19 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: hmm, ok -- I just remember I had that exact issue at some point in the beta, so thought the issue might had transferred to live :) |
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| 09:29.45 | nevcairiel | and as a bonus, crystal vials also stack to 200 now and go in the reagent bank, so thats super nice :d |
| 09:30.34 | nevcairiel | can just shove a stack or two in there and not worry about making alchemy things anymore |
| 09:31.27 | mitch0 | We are checking your browser to make sure you're not an intruder. <- curse.com is funny... |
| 09:31.58 | nevcairiel | well you better not be! |
| 09:32.42 | mitch0 | hm. what is this mastery thing? it's somehow related to talents, right? (sorry for being so out-of-touch ;) |
| 09:32.55 | nevcairiel | mastery is super old |
| 09:33.21 | nevcairiel | but every class has its own benefit it gains from mastery |
| 09:34.48 | mitch0 | is there some event that fires when your master changes? |
| 09:34.50 | Stanzilla | also their own rate at which they gain stuff from it |
| 09:35.33 | nevcairiel | its a normal secondary stat, the effect changes only when you change spec, not sure what you need o.o |
| 09:36.01 | mitch0 | according to some comments "Sniper Training" somehow modifies some spell ranges. anyone got a pointer to the detailed info about that (wowpedia doesn't have it) |
| 09:36.45 | nevcairiel | yes it does |
| 09:36.49 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=76659 |
| 09:36.50 | mitch0 | ah, it's a buff probably |
| 10:16.10 | mitch0 | is UnitAura("player", "Sniper Training") any more efficient that doing a loop with UnitAura("player", i) ? |
| 10:22.33 | nevcairiel | should be |
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| 10:25.36 | mitch0 | meh, why did they add the stupid 4% range increase to this sniper training thing?! :( |
| 10:26.37 | nevcairiel | isnt the range based on the value of your mastery |
| 10:26.58 | mitch0 | could be |
| 10:27.37 | mitch0 | so it's probably even less with low mastery ;) |
| 10:27.46 | mitch0 | When you stand still for 3 sec, you gain Sniper Training for 6 sec, which increases your damage, shot range, and critical strike damage by 4% |
| 10:27.54 | mitch0 | that's what wowhead says ^ |
| 10:29.05 | nevcairiel | it has to scale with mastery, otherwise the stat is pointless |
| 10:29.24 | mitch0 | probably. how to find out the scaling though? |
| 10:29.31 | nevcairiel | get a hunter |
| 10:29.34 | nevcairiel | use the beta, it has templates |
| 10:30.44 | Stanzilla | I can log in and look |
| 10:31.27 | mitch0 | thanks |
| 10:31.49 | mitch0 | could you also check if any special event is fired when the buff activates / deactivates? |
| 10:32.00 | mitch0 | (like UNIT_RANGEDATTACK or somesuch) |
| 10:32.01 | Stanzilla | it's just a buff |
| 10:33.24 | Stanzilla | 262 mastery at lvl 100 are +1.19% mastery and that is a range bonus of 5% |
| 10:33.47 | nevcairiel | mitch0: if you want even more fun! http://wod.wowhead.com/item=120327 |
| 10:34.29 | Stanzilla | which is 42yards |
| 10:34.43 | mitch0 | Stanzilla: so, UNIT_ATTACK UNIT_DAMAGE UNIT_RANGEDDAMAGE UNIT_RANGED_ATTACK_POWER <- neither of these fires when the buff activates / deactivates? |
| 10:35.10 | mitch0 | nevcairiel: eh |
| 10:35.16 | mitch0 | I'll skip this one ;) |
| 10:35.30 | Stanzilla | UNIT_RANGEDDAMAGE does |
| 10:35.37 | Stanzilla | and UNIT_DAMAGE |
| 10:36.07 | Stanzilla | also PLAYER_DAMAGE__DONE_MODS |
| 10:36.40 | Stanzilla | have a screenshot https://mediacru.sh/wH5M3Paz8vaU |
| 10:36.44 | Stanzilla | doesnt help much though :D |
| 10:39.30 | [TOM_RUS] | EU groupfinder still capped at 25 after restarts |
| 10:39.43 | karl_w_w | "I don't understand why it rained because the forecast said no rain" |
| 10:40.50 | Stanzilla | mitch0: need anything else? |
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| 10:43.29 | rid_ | hey Fisker |
| 10:46.20 | Fisker | Hey rid_ |
| 10:46.58 | rid_ | hey |
| 10:47.17 | Fisker | Hey |
| 10:57.40 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: it sure is annoying when the government changes the weather without proper notice |
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| 11:30.45 | mitch0 | Stanzilla: sorry, had to run. thanks, it's enough for now. not sure I want to add support for this ;) |
| 11:32.32 | mitch0 | Stanzilla: that was the log when the thing activates, right? |
| 11:32.56 | Stanzilla | eventtrace when running out |
| 11:33.03 | Stanzilla | it cancels after 5s when you start running |
| 11:33.38 | mitch0 | so, it activates after 3sec non-moving, then stays on until you start moving + 5s? |
| 11:33.55 | Stanzilla | if I remember correctly, yes |
| 11:34.15 | Stanzilla | sounds like a bitch to track though |
| 11:34.55 | mitch0 | wonder which event is the least frequently fired, UNIT_AURA, UNIT_RANGEDDAMAGE or PLAYER_DAMAGE_DONE_MODS... |
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| 11:51.26 | Semlar | can the power cost in the tooltip ever be a decimal number |
| 11:51.48 | Semlar | surely you can't have fractional power costs |
| 11:54.01 | nevcairiel | it would never show it, even if it would have such a cost |
| 11:54.19 | nevcairiel | same as you can have fractional reputation values, but it just rounds for display |
| 11:55.19 | Semlar | i'm wondering if LARGE_NUMBER_SEPERATOR might not actually match the separator in the tooltip |
| 11:55.40 | Semlar | i've just given up and stripped everything that isn't a number out of my string before converting it |
| 11:57.22 | Semlar | and since i don't think the tooltip can ever show decimals it shouldn't matter |
| 12:02.41 | jleclanche | kd3: didnt wowpedia have problems keeping track of battlegroups and server IPs? |
| 12:02.45 | jleclanche | kd3: because they're all listed here: https://eu.battle.net/support/en/article/performing-a-traceroute |
| 12:03.49 | Maldivia | jleclanche: http://us-looking-glass.battle.net/ :) |
| 12:04.01 | jleclanche | Maldivia: yeah i remember |
| 12:04.12 | jleclanche | Maldivia: im trying to figure out the ipv6 addresses though |
| 12:04.56 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.19 | jleclanche | well you're still talking so clearly it didnt work |
| 12:06.17 | jleclanche | also that thing isnt working |
| 12:06.19 | Fisker | Watch your step |
| 12:06.22 | Stanzilla | hey jerome |
| 12:06.40 | jleclanche | anyone with ipv6 and an eu account? |
| 12:07.54 | jleclanche | ipv6.blizzard.com |
| 12:07.57 | jleclanche | http://ipv6.blizzard.com that is |
| 12:08.01 | jleclanche | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.17 | Maldivia | heheh |
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| 12:20.10 | Semlar | i had a thought |
| 12:21.09 | Semlar | you may actually be able to detect whether you're not on your home server by checking NPC GUIDs |
| 12:21.51 | Semlar | and possibly which CRZ you've been transferred to if you can turn the server ID into a name |
| 12:23.01 | Semlar | because NPCs obviously spawn on their host servers they'll have that server ID in their GUID and when you detect them in the combat log or whatever you can compare them to yours |
| 12:23.04 | Simca | I'm pretty sure you had this thought before |
| 12:23.13 | Semlar | have i? |
| 12:23.21 | Semlar | well i try not to think too much |
| 12:23.54 | Semlar | but basically it has applications for detecting whether you should broadcast server-wide messages for something you've detected in the combat log |
| 12:24.29 | Maldivia | hmm, does the Player-GUID contain realm info as well? |
| 12:24.38 | Semlar | your realm |
| 12:24.56 | Semlar | they don't change based on your location |
| 12:25.10 | Maldivia | so gathering realm-ids should be really easy, based on the player-names and guids? |
| 12:25.23 | nevcairiel | jleclanche: i have ipv6 and an EU account, however my ISP somehas has screwed up v6 connectivity to the blizzard network and it doesnt work |
| 12:25.48 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz has a file on that |
| 12:25.49 | nevcairiel | somehow* |
| 12:26.08 | Semlar | you mean if you detect a player in the combat log you could match their realm ID to the realm name in their name? |
| 12:26.24 | Semlar | that's a good idea |
| 12:26.25 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: have you tested since 6.0? |
| 12:26.36 | nevcairiel | of course |
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| 12:30.45 | jleclanche | wtf why cant i set my vashjir seahorse as favorite? |
| 12:31.21 | Stanzilla | because they dont have code to handle it's special case |
| 12:32.39 | sb | er wait Stanzilla |
| 12:32.46 | sb | talon for twitter (plus) is a new (paid) app? :| |
| 12:32.51 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 12:32.59 | sb | oh, not compatible with my device |
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| 12:33.13 | sb | ah, needs L!? |
| 12:33.24 | Maldivia | Lollipop :D |
| 12:33.32 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 12:34.45 | Lopeppeppy | Lolli-peppy? |
| 12:37.26 | Maldivia | so next Android... M .... Moonpie? |
| 12:37.54 | Alram | Android Maldivia |
| 12:38.08 | nevcairiel | Marshmallow obviously |
| 12:38.10 | Maldivia | Marla is just a likely then |
| 12:38.34 | Alram | or Android Mars |
| 12:38.40 | Alram | if they are going to do one of those deals agian |
| 12:38.44 | Stanzilla | Meringue Pie obviously |
| 12:38.50 | Stanzilla | it's the next chance |
| 12:38.58 | nevcairiel | Alram: Milky Way |
| 12:39.12 | nevcairiel | Android M&Ms? |
| 12:39.18 | Alram | Android Monster |
| 12:39.20 | Alram | with the drink |
| 12:39.35 | Stanzilla | that's not candy enough |
| 12:39.38 | nevcairiel | Android McDonalds |
| 12:40.31 | Fisker | Android Lopeppeppy |
| 12:40.37 | Alram | Android Motherfucker with all adverts voiced by Samuel L Jackson |
| 12:40.38 | Fisker | Oh wait |
| 12:40.39 | Maldivia | Android Mountain Dew, from Google, Mountain View |
| 12:40.47 | Lopeppeppy | But I'm a real girl. |
| 12:40.54 | Stanzilla | you keep saying that |
| 12:41.24 | Fisker | Can honeycomb be hippie kayae motherfucker then? |
| 12:41.29 | Alram | sure |
| 12:41.33 | Fisker | Good |
| 12:42.07 | Lopeppeppy | Stanzilla, many who visit this channel have hugged me and can provide corroboration. |
| 12:42.16 | Stanzilla | you keep saying that... |
| 12:42.36 | Stanzilla | maybe you are a witch! |
| 12:42.49 | Fisker | I can't, and Lopeppeppy keeps bringing up a car as an excuse to not attend blizzcon |
| 12:43.10 | Fisker | That and not playing any of the games anymore |
| 12:43.16 | Fisker | But that's besides the point |
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| 12:49.04 | Lopeppeppy | I am a crappy crappy Lounge Lizard. |
| 12:49.11 | Lopeppeppy | And Stanzilla, I am a witch, so there. |
| 12:49.18 | Stanzilla | oh ok |
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| 13:49.41 | Fisker | In the worst Lopeppeppy |
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| 13:53.42 | Lopeppeppy | I totally am The Worst Witch. I've been up since 5am. |
| 13:54.23 | Fisker | Same :( |
| 13:54.40 | karl_w_w | I like how wikipedia limits logins to 30 days |
| 13:55.32 | karl_w_w | not only is that pointless and arbitrary, what could possibly be so important about a wikipedia login that warrants extra security compared to most other logins |
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| 14:09.51 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/GAR3rIQ :D |
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| 14:13.33 | doub | hi |
| 14:15.45 | doub | i have to update an addon over a year old, do you have some article/tutorial to recommand that list what's changed and what to update for WoW 6.0 APIs? |
| 14:16.51 | Semlar | http://wowpedia.org/Patch_6.0.1/API_changes |
| 14:17.55 | Semlar | i would start by looking at what errors it's throwing |
| 14:21.52 | doub | well, it looks like none for basic functionality :D |
| 14:22.01 | mikma | it's made with xml? |
| 14:25.20 | doub | some, and some lua |
| 14:27.13 | Semlar | what doesn't work |
| 14:27.34 | doub | a button that was opening the quest panel |
| 14:27.42 | doub | i guess because of the merge with the map |
| 14:27.47 | Semlar | well there isn't a quest log any more |
| 14:28.58 | mikma | aye. and i think it sucks. |
| 14:29.05 | Semlar | i'm not sure what function is called to toggle it but i know hitting the L hotkey does it |
| 14:29.30 | Semlar | probably ToggleQuestLog() or something |
| 14:29.31 | mikma | ToggleQuestLog() |
| 14:29.39 | mikma | i tested it, and yes, semlar |
| 14:30.35 | mikma | semlar: i have a problem... people actually have named their chars as "Unknown" so i can't check the name :D |
| 14:30.37 | Semlar | i guess ShowQuestLog() directly |
| 14:31.05 | Semlar | i don't think unknown is a valid character name |
| 14:31.19 | doub | it did ToggleFrame(QuestLogFrame) |
| 14:32.08 | Semlar | there are 5 unknowns on the armory but i refuse to believe it lets you input that in the character screen |
| 14:32.40 | Semlar | it HAS to be one of the blacklisted names |
| 14:34.13 | Semlar | because they use that as a placeholder before the person's name has loaded |
| 14:34.34 | nevcairiel | might be very old characters |
| 14:34.50 | mikma | yeah, but i witnessed a "Unknown" rogue flying around in Dalaran yesterday, for 10 minutes+ |
| 14:35.02 | Semlar | it just means you didn't get his name |
| 14:35.03 | nevcairiel | sometimes loading just hangs and never finishes |
| 14:35.15 | Semlar | you can't name your character Unknown |
| 14:35.32 | Semlar | actually what's really interesting is all of these unknowns on the armory are under level 10 |
| 14:35.52 | nevcairiel | the armory doesnt usually show characters below level 10 |
| 14:36.05 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/search?q=unknown&f=wowcharacter |
| 14:36.31 | [TOM_RUS] | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/search?q=Unknown&f=wowcharacter |
| 14:36.42 | Semlar | that warlock has to be a bug or something |
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| 14:36.53 | Semlar | i don't know how he managed to get that |
| 14:37.42 | Semlar | it's possible you could register that name at one point |
| 14:38.54 | Semlar | i wouldn't worry too much about it, just display what it gives you for the name |
| 14:40.13 | doub | most of them are on spanish servers, maybe it's a spanish character in the name triggering the bug |
| 14:40.30 | Semlar | maybe it's not blacklisted in that client |
| 14:40.54 | Semlar | surely the blacklist is on the server though |
| 14:41.10 | Semlar | i suppose it could be localized |
| 14:41.47 | [TOM_RUS] | blacklist is on both server and client |
| 14:41.49 | Semlar | that warlock is the only character with the name Unknown that can actually be loaded on the armory |
| 14:43.58 | [TOM_RUS] | I personally have account bug that prevents me from creating characters on Russian realms, basically client refuses to accept any cyrillic character name |
| 14:44.21 | [TOM_RUS] | and blizzard refuses to fix it for a years |
| 14:44.34 | Semlar | interesting |
| 14:44.44 | nevcairiel | so use latin characters! |
| 14:45.13 | [TOM_RUS] | for latin characters there's server size check |
| 14:45.38 | [TOM_RUS] | server refuses to accept latin and client cyrillic |
| 14:45.51 | nevcairiel | so russians can use russian chars on our realms, but anyone else couldnt use latin chars on russian realms? what stupidity is that? :p |
| 14:46.15 | Semlar | they can't make a character on your server with a cyrillic name |
| 14:46.25 | Semlar | as far as i know |
| 14:46.40 | nevcairiel | you cna use all sorts of unicode magic chars, why not russian |
| 14:46.44 | nevcairiel | cant say i actually tried |
| 14:46.46 | [TOM_RUS] | yep, cyrillic name only allowed on RU realms |
| 14:46.51 | Semlar | if you get put into the same battlegroup you can see them though |
| 14:47.17 | Semlar | which is annoying because my nameplate font doesn't support cyrillics |
| 14:47.22 | Semlar | so their name is just invisible |
| 14:47.48 | Stanzilla | fix your font |
| 14:47.56 | Semlar | fix it how exactly |
| 14:48.09 | doub | can't you define the ui text object to fallback to another font if a glyph is not in the one you selected? |
| 14:48.19 | doub | you can edit the ttf file |
| 14:48.39 | Stanzilla | ^ |
| 14:48.40 | Semlar | you find a way to merge two fonts that isn't a huge pain in the ass |
| 14:48.56 | Stanzilla | could just copy paste the cyrillic glphys in from another font |
| 14:49.02 | Semlar | "just" |
| 14:49.10 | Stanzilla | ^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 14:49.12 | Semlar | try actually doing that and let me know how easy that is |
| 14:49.19 | nevcairiel | the game has some hacks to switch fonts on the fly |
| 14:49.23 | Stanzilla | I tried before |
| 14:49.27 | Stanzilla | then I just used a differen font :D |
| 14:49.38 | nevcairiel | but their replacement font doesnt support some of the special latin chars, so you miss out there |
| 14:49.54 | Semlar | i already tried to merge other characters into one super font but it didn't go very well |
| 14:50.10 | Semlar | plus i'm pretty sure that's not a great idea for performance |
| 14:50.37 | doub | there's very little impact on performance |
| 14:51.05 | doub | vector data is small and fast to load, and only used glyphs are rasterized |
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| 14:57.16 | [TOM_RUS] | I was using merged fonts that support both latin and cyrillic, but it seems that game no longer load them from fonts folder in 6.0 |
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| 14:58.33 | Semlar | Sounds moved from Data\Sounds to just \Sounds so maybe the directory structure has changed |
| 14:59.19 | Semlar | i guess you could try dropping the font directly under the warcraft folder but that seems like it probably wouldn't work |
| 14:59.29 | nevcairiel | you can replace fonts with in addon in like 99% of the UI |
| 14:59.29 | Stanzilla | fonts are still in teh same place |
| 14:59.31 | Stanzilla | my replacement works |
| 14:59.35 | Semlar | oh, well then |
| 15:00.38 | nevcairiel | i stopped using my font replacement because it had slightly different font sizes which screwed up the damn quest tracker, should maybe try to find a better font that doesnt have this problem |
| 15:01.18 | Stanzilla | I manually adjust font sizes |
| 15:01.25 | Stanzilla | like for example in the friends list |
| 15:01.35 | nevcairiel | the quest tracker is especially stubborn |
| 15:01.56 | nevcairiel | it has a hard coded pixel size, once you go above that it thinks it needs to wrap the line, but that screws up stuff |
| 15:02.14 | nevcairiel | and my font was like .1 above |
| 15:02.27 | Stanzilla | that's sad |
| 15:02.43 | Stanzilla | I don't have a long quest atm |
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| 15:02.44 | Stanzilla | https://mediacru.sh/X_W7tGOLcrnb |
| 15:03.18 | nevcairiel | yeah it only happens on long-ish quests |
| 15:03.24 | nevcairiel | or long objectives |
| 15:04.21 | Stanzilla | can't play WoW with a diffrent font now |
| 15:04.24 | Stanzilla | after 9 years |
| 15:04.27 | Stanzilla | freaks me out |
| 15:05.02 | mikma | "Unknown the Hallowed" |
| 15:05.08 | nevcairiel | man why does omnicc not have the one option i want it to have |
| 15:05.18 | Stanzilla | like what |
| 15:05.39 | nevcairiel | configure when to show numbers as seconds, and not only < 60 |
| 15:05.54 | Stanzilla | it has that |
| 15:06.04 | nevcairiel | does not |
| 15:06.10 | Stanzilla | minimum duration to display tenths of seconds? |
| 15:06.19 | nevcairiel | i want seconds, not tenths of seconds |
| 15:06.29 | nevcairiel | like, below 100 i want seconds |
| 15:06.44 | nevcairiel | and not only below 1m |
| 15:06.45 | Stanzilla | minimum duration to display text as MM:SS? |
| 15:06.56 | nevcairiel | i dont want MM:SS either, i want seconds |
| 15:06.58 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 15:07.06 | Stanzilla | rek then |
| 15:07.09 | Stanzilla | *t |
| 15:07.18 | nevcairiel | tullaCC has it, but tullaCC fails at showing timers on SUFs aura frames |
| 15:08.58 | nevcairiel | trys more stuff |
| 15:10.39 | Semlar | if it makes you feel any better mine has no options |
| 15:11.44 | nevcairiel | i should really whip up my own minimal addon |
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| 15:12.45 | TC-Work | whips up nevcairiel |
| 15:13.43 | m^rk | is there any event or something to know when a spell transforms into another spell, like with holy word chastise? |
| 15:13.56 | mikma | tc-work: whip it, whip it good |
| 15:14.12 | TC-Work | Oh baby. |
| 15:14.27 | mikma | i also like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2qo0VuYmZs |
| 15:15.22 | TC-Work | Do you also whip your hair back and forth? |
| 15:16.00 | mikma | NOES! that's something i willow not do (hehe) |
| 15:16.09 | TC-Work | ~lart mikma |
| 15:16.09 | purl | slaps mikma upside the head with a wet fish |
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| 15:21.26 | doub | is there an API to toggle (expand/collapse) the overlay quest tracker below the minimap ? |
| 15:22.34 | Semlar | ObjectiveTracker_Expand() |
| 15:22.37 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: make it better than omincc so I can switch :D |
| 15:22.50 | nevcairiel | i would probably just hardcode the behaviour i want |
| 15:23.05 | Stanzilla | meh |
| 15:23.13 | Semlar | doub: https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/beta/AddOns/Blizzard_ObjectiveTracker/Blizzard_ObjectiveTracker.lua#L712 |
| 15:23.36 | TC-Work | pfft, beta. |
| 15:23.38 | nevcairiel | note that calling this from an addon will probably break some function of it |
| 15:23.46 | doub | thanks |
| 15:23.47 | nevcairiel | like, clicking on quest item buttons |
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| 15:24.56 | mikma | semlar: is there some way of detecting the line amount of tooltip? :P |
| 15:25.07 | Semlar | tooltip:NumLines() or something |
| 15:25.12 | mikma | oh |
| 15:26.54 | Constie | I keep having trouble with getting OmniCC to display cooldowns with the font size I want. |
| 15:27.54 | Semlar | might be from scaling it based on the size of the button |
| 15:29.00 | Constie | That makes some sense. |
| 15:29.34 | nevcairiel | OmniCC has built-in config sets for different categories, you need to make sure you set it for the right category |
| 15:29.37 | nevcairiel | its kinda confusing |
| 15:32.40 | doub | what's the best online API reference? |
| 15:33.22 | Semlar | your options are wowprogramming.com and wowpedia.org |
| 15:34.16 | Constie | With everything set to be at 100%, font size 9 looks right on my action bar and wrong in my inventory. 8 is the size that's supposed to look right, but Bartender says the action bar is at scale 1. |
| 15:34.30 | doub | wowpedia doesn't seem to list the ToggleQuestLog function mentioned here earlier |
| 15:34.42 | Semlar | it's not an api function |
| 15:34.58 | doub | what is it then? |
| 15:35.14 | Semlar | it's a global function defined by the quest log interface |
| 15:35.43 | doub | so what's the best online global function reference? |
| 15:36.24 | Constie | Semlar is. |
| 15:36.34 | Semlar | i am not |
| 15:37.10 | Semlar | i don't know what you mean by reference |
| 15:37.18 | Semlar | you're not going to get a list of what these functions do |
| 15:38.29 | Semlar | you can browse the interface files here http://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/19033 |
| 15:41.21 | Semlar | if you want to know what i did to find the function that toggles the quest log i looked up what the binding did since i know L toggles it |
| 15:43.09 | doub | in the framexml bindings.xml? |
| 15:43.28 | Semlar | yeah |
| 15:43.41 | Semlar | i just searched for quest, really |
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| 16:37.40 | Shirik | http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html |
| 16:39.40 | Constie | I can't find any errors. |
| 16:42.42 | TC-Work | Thank you Shirik for a 2009 post. |
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| 17:10.09 | Shirik | TC-Work: but it was updated! |
| 17:17.39 | Semlar | so has the chat interface in the bnet client always been hella slow to scroll and highlight text or is this a new featuer |
| 17:18.10 | Semlar | there is an unholy delay when you scroll up in the chat box or try to highlight some text |
| 17:19.12 | Constie | That's not happening for me. |
| 17:20.12 | Semlar | if i scroll up in a chat with someone there is like a 2 second delay |
| 17:20.41 | Semlar | and it's making copying links out of the chat very annoying |
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| 17:33.04 | Semlar | well closing the window and reopening it fixed that so who knows what triggered it in the first place |
| 17:34.02 | Constie | Angry ghosts. |
| 17:37.02 | mikma | noobs |
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| 17:53.05 | zenzelezz | I have to say... I can't understand why, but I kind of want this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VRK_bsE6nw |
| 17:54.02 | Maldivia | marketing |
| 17:54.20 | zenzelezz | I don't do marketing |
| 17:54.23 | zenzelezz | but I want it anyway |
| 17:54.44 | Maldivia | and every marketing person is laughing at you right now... :) |
| 17:54.50 | Semlar | heh, gayy |
| 17:54.54 | zenzelezz | SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY |
| 17:55.19 | Mihau | takes Zenzelezz's money. |
| 17:55.49 | mikma | meh, i guess you can't make local tooltips, they always need to be named |
| 17:55.58 | Semlar | they do not need to be named |
| 17:56.08 | Semlar | unless you use the game tooltip template |
| 17:56.26 | Mihau | zenzelezz: The Corsair version has actual Cherry RGB switches instead of Razor's knock off Kailh switches. |
| 17:56.34 | mikma | can you use something else than the gametooltip template when you create tooltips and scan them |
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| 17:57.06 | Constie | That video is so precision engineered to appeal to gamers. |
| 17:57.07 | Semlar | i create an anonymous tooltip in this post http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14881058187#4 |
| 18:00.32 | mikma | semlar: but i'm guessing we can't use it to print and scan stuff |
| 18:01.18 | Semlar | well i'm using it to pull the power cost out of the tooltip so |
| 18:01.56 | mikma | hmm |
| 18:04.11 | zenzelezz | Mihau: I'll have to look into that |
| 18:07.19 | Mihau | At least with the Corsair there is no dumb Razer software needed. |
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| 18:21.49 | mikma | semlar: i'm having problems understand how could i create a full tooltip with that code |
| 18:23.09 | Semlar | you have to manually create the font strings for each line you want to scan |
| 18:23.28 | mikma | i basicly need lines 2 and 3 |
| 18:24.01 | mikma | but i'm having hard time understanding on how to actually create the lines |
| 18:24.08 | Semlar | AddFontStrings adds your font strings to the tooltip |
| 18:24.13 | Semlar | left and right |
| 18:24.30 | mikma | yeah, but why is it there two times with different styles? |
| 18:24.56 | Semlar | what do you mean |
| 18:25.01 | mikma | local CostText = CostTip:CreateFontString() |
| 18:25.01 | mikma | CostTip:AddFontStrings(CostTip:CreateFontString(), CostTip:CreateFontString()) |
| 18:25.02 | mikma | CostTip:AddFontStrings(CostText, CostTip:CreateFontString()) |
| 18:25.04 | mikma | that |
| 18:25.21 | Semlar | i only make a reference to one of the font strings |
| 18:25.33 | Semlar | because i only care about that particular entry |
| 18:25.37 | mikma | line 2 left? |
| 18:25.52 | Semlar | everything else i only create because it's mandatory |
| 18:26.07 | mikma | oh, now let's try this again then |
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| 18:26.41 | Semlar | i think you can actually get it to automatically create new lines for you but without a name it would be slightly more annoying to reference them |
| 18:27.23 | mikma | here we go, now it works after i understood your point of the code |
| 18:27.53 | Semlar | basically i'm just creating a bunch of font strings and adding them to the tooltip as the left and right entries for each line |
| 18:28.03 | mikma | Level 90 Gnome Mage (Player) |
| 18:29.52 | Gnarfoz | Mihau: instead, you get to use stupid Corsair software! :D |
| 18:30.20 | Gnarfoz | I hear it's quite bad. Ask nevcairiel or sb, the both recently got one of these keyboards |
| 18:31.07 | MiRai | There's a key binding for bringing up the Guild Pane, but is there a way to force it to the roster tab by default? |
| 18:31.17 | MiRai | or /slash command that can be macro'd to do that? |
| 18:33.40 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: its kinda stupid to use, but once you figure it out its "meh, ok", and loads of people post presets to use online |
| 18:33.49 | Gnarfoz | sure, sure |
| 18:33.50 | nevcairiel | as a bonus, the keyboard itself is great |
| 18:33.51 | Gnarfoz | just saying |
| 18:34.06 | sb | yup |
| 18:34.08 | Gnarfoz | I hear the software and firmware side is just bad, compared to the keyboard itself |
| 18:34.26 | Gnarfoz | like, they're driving the keyboard straight from the software, even though the firmware could do it |
| 18:34.27 | nevcairiel | lights only turn on after i logged into windows, i hope they improve that part |
| 18:34.37 | Gnarfoz | ^ :D |
| 18:34.56 | Gnarfoz | and the firmware is limited to 9 bit colour instead of 24 :D |
| 18:35.39 | Simca | <Semlar> i think you can actually get it to automatically create new lines for you but without a name it would be slightly more annoying to reference them |
| 18:35.50 | Simca | Semlar, how would you add a new line to the end of an already created tooltip? |
| 18:36.05 | sb | nevcairiel: same here |
| 18:36.08 | mikma | simca: tooltip:AddLine("lol") |
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| 18:36.40 | Simca | mikma: would the tooltip auto adjust its vertical size as well? |
| 18:36.49 | Semlar | only after you show it |
| 18:37.08 | Simca | i'm planning to hook into a showing function |
| 18:37.08 | Semlar | weeell that seems to depend on the tooltip |
| 18:37.11 | mikma | simca: actually you might need to hook it.. http://svn.wowinterface.com/filedetails.php?repname=mikma&path=%2FPost-it%2FPost-it.lua |
| 18:37.34 | mikma | that's my code for http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info22014-Post-it.html |
| 18:37.46 | mikma | adds a line and the red crosses + red text in tooltips |
| 18:38.21 | Simca | alright, thanks a bunch for the sample code, should help a lot; i want to do something very similar, just with SetUnit |
| 18:39.55 | Semlar | you generally don't hook the show function |
| 18:40.55 | Semlar | you can do tooltip:HookScript('OnTooltipSetUnit', etc) |
| 18:42.17 | mikma | yeah |
| 18:42.22 | mikma | that's the key to success |
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| 18:45.12 | tinymasher | g'afternoon |
| 18:46.23 | Primer | Good "time zone specific greeting" to you too! |
| 18:46.49 | Gnarfoz | https://mediacru.sh/Db0b0fhJeNWM what, Blizzard |
| 18:47.15 | mikma | funky |
| 18:47.19 | Primer | that's an empty page here |
| 18:47.35 | Primer | perhaps they don't like adblock |
| 18:47.46 | Semlar | no it loaded for me |
| 18:47.50 | Gnarfoz | ublock works fine |
| 18:47.52 | Semlar | but the last 2 mediacrush links didn't |
| 18:48.04 | Semlar | i had to click the text to go to the image |
| 18:48.08 | Gnarfoz | https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Db0b0fhJeNWM.png shrug |
| 18:48.36 | Primer | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at cdn.mediacru.sh. |
| 18:50.26 | tinymasher | anyone know how to force the LFGListFrame to load? (it's the frame you get when you click 'premade groups' on the pvp/dungeons&raids frame) |
| 18:50.52 | Gnarfoz | your internet connection sucks, then... or theirs |
| 18:51.29 | Primer | well, considering I'm here talking to you now over the same connection and that link is a "cdn"... |
| 18:51.36 | Primer | going to guess it's theirs |
| 18:51.44 | Primer | as that's not really a cdn |
| 18:51.50 | Primer | but some static single host |
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| 18:52.03 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-bo ScratchMonkey!*@*$##fix_your_connection eir] by eir |
| 18:52.59 | Primer | but meh |
| 18:53.05 | Primer | I have actual work to do today |
| 18:53.09 | Primer | damn work |
| 18:57.15 | jleclanche | Primer: ugt |
| 18:57.17 | jleclanche | ~ugt |
| 18:57.17 | purl | somebody said ugt was Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 18:58.22 | tinymasher | that'd make sense |
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| 19:02.51 | TC-Work | ~botsnack |
| 19:02.51 | purl | aw, gee, TC-Work |
| 19:03.00 | jleclanche | ~whalebarf TC-Work |
| 19:03.05 | jleclanche | hm |
| 19:03.13 | TC-Work | ~fail jleclanche |
| 19:03.13 | purl | You suck at everything in life, jleclanche. I hate you because you fail. |
| 19:03.32 | Semlar | harsh |
| 19:03.35 | Fisker | Sounds right |
| 19:04.04 | mikma | semlar: you don't need to show the tooltip in order to scan it? |
| 19:04.15 | Semlar | no |
| 19:04.21 | mikma | .. interesting |
| 19:04.29 | jnwhiteh | So. |
| 19:04.32 | jnwhiteh | LightHeaded, TomTom, Ninjapanel and PerfectRaid. |
| 19:04.37 | jnwhiteh | What should my "Fixing" order be |
| 19:04.46 | Semlar | tomtom |
| 19:04.57 | TC-Work | Thats not an order Semlar. |
| 19:05.01 | Semlar | followed by tomtom and then tomtom |
| 19:05.03 | jnwhiteh | anything specifically I should focus on? |
| 19:05.24 | mikma | jnwhiteh: perfectraid. make it more perfect. ;) |
| 19:05.36 | mikma | jnwhiteh: no, tomtom. |
| 19:05.57 | jleclanche | fix Ninjapanel, cause nobody asked for it yet |
| 19:06.08 | jnwhiteh | I asked for it :P |
| 19:06.14 | jleclanche | fix tomtom then. |
| 19:06.18 | jnwhiteh | Grid caused 90% of the issues that have been reported :P |
| 19:06.32 | jnwhiteh | EVEN WITH TOMTOM |
| 19:06.37 | mikma | hah |
| 19:08.22 | jnwhiteh | shit I have TTL as well |
| 19:08.51 | Semlar | is it terminal? |
| 19:09.10 | jleclanche | ~semlar++ |
| 19:09.15 | Semlar | uh oh |
| 19:09.32 | Semlar | you don't want more of me |
| 19:09.36 | jleclanche | ~semlar++ |
| 19:09.42 | Semlar | stahp! |
| 19:09.43 | jleclanche | ill have as much of you as i want |
| 19:10.02 | Semlar | now i'll have to hunt down an terminate my clones.. |
| 19:10.23 | Semlar | but what if i'm a clone |
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| 19:10.46 | Semlar | and i only think i'm the original |
| 19:11.01 | Gethe | more Semlars so that Semlar can complete the map addon |
| 19:11.17 | Semlar | they'll probably just procrastinate twice as much |
| 19:11.18 | TC-Work | Stop encouraging pins jleclanche. |
| 19:11.23 | TC-Work | s/pins/puns/ |
| 19:11.35 | Kalroth | jleclanche: dont you lump me in the same package as Fisker!! |
| 19:12.01 | jleclanche | haha, you said package |
| 19:12.31 | zenzelezz | in that line of thought, it sounds amusing with package managers |
| 19:13.15 | jleclanche | jnwhiteh: hey is wowprogramming updated for 6.0? |
| 19:13.27 | jnwhiteh | depend son which part of it |
| 19:13.29 | jnwhiteh | the API master, yes/no |
| 19:13.35 | jnwhiteh | its updated as of the beta build I was running on |
| 19:13.42 | jnwhiteh | or were you talking framexml? |
| 19:14.13 | jleclanche | nope the api |
| 19:14.14 | jleclanche | cool |
| 19:14.27 | jnwhiteh | it should be close enough |
| 19:14.35 | jnwhiteh | and i can fix it.. snart |
| 19:19.19 | jleclanche | jnwhiteh: hey are you able to display argument data to functions on the wowprogramming api listing without having to document the functions? |
| 19:19.22 | jleclanche | you have the data right |
| 19:20.46 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 19:20.48 | jnwhiteh | there is no data on that |
| 19:20.59 | jnwhiteh | I'd have 2 years of my life back if there was =/ |
| 19:21.19 | Semlar | there is some data |
| 19:21.22 | jleclanche | jnwhiteh: i mean the argument types |
| 19:21.56 | jnwhiteh | Semlar: not available in a consistent way |
| 19:22.13 | jnwhiteh | jleclanche: the API docs are fully manual, if there's a definition of the function it'll be listed there |
| 19:22.16 | jnwhiteh | unless I'm misunderstanding |
| 19:22.40 | Semlar | p3lim was pulling argument lists out of the client's error messages or something |
| 19:22.49 | jnwhiteh | yeah you can "try" to do that |
| 19:22.51 | jnwhiteh | its not consistent |
| 19:22.53 | jnwhiteh | but it helps |
| 19:22.54 | jleclanche | jnwhiteh: according to some dude on the internets, theres a way to get the arg typelists |
| 19:23.01 | jnwhiteh | you can get some |
| 19:23.08 | Simca | it's mostly consistent |
| 19:23.19 | jnwhiteh | but you don't need to do anything, you can get them by running strings and grepping, really |
| 19:23.20 | Simca | but it isn't complete, and there are times where they spell the functions wrong |
| 19:23.24 | Simca | or use different formattng |
| 19:23.25 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 19:23.28 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 19:23.32 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 19:23.37 | Semlar | tom_rus somehow has like actual reversed engineered functions or something |
| 19:23.46 | Semlar | i don't know how he's getting those |
| 19:23.51 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 19:24.08 | p3lim | The list I got was through the strings |
| 19:24.13 | Semlar | like this http://paste2.org/ydIftxKH |
| 19:24.15 | Simca | internal client, semlar |
| 19:25.29 | p3lim | Semlar: https://gist.github.com/p3lim/9c24602eba96950b3481 |
| 19:25.41 | DJJeff | torhal |
| 19:25.41 | Simca | the fourth WoD alpha build had an internal client for Mac x64 |
| 19:25.42 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/RHfnkTB.jpg |
| 19:25.47 | DJJeff | you done goofed? |
| 19:26.15 | DJJeff | jnwhiteh do you have a github like repo for tom tom? |
| 19:26.29 | Torhal | DJJeff: Nah. No idea what the fuck is up with that. It's doing it the same way as other AddOns, but it shows there. Something weird in 6.0.x did it, because I didn't change the code for that at all. |
| 19:26.37 | jnwhiteh | DJJeff: its on git.wowinterface.com, why? |
| 19:26.40 | Torhal | On my list though. |
| 19:27.31 | Simca | there is enough information in it to decompile basically every function in the game, if you spend enough time working at getting rid of the 'optimizations' from the compiler |
| 19:27.46 | Simca | obviously tom has that time |
| 19:30.34 | DJJeff | http://git.wowinterface.com/?a=summary&p=TomTom |
| 19:30.36 | DJJeff | ? |
| 19:30.48 | DJJeff | :-) |
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| 19:32.08 | DJJeff | damn no button like github to download all as a .zip |
| 19:34.12 | Stanzilla | jnwhiteh: no curse love? :P |
| 19:34.35 | jnwhiteh | Stanzilla: for? |
| 19:34.42 | Stanzilla | that tomtom commit |
| 19:34.47 | jnwhiteh | its pushed to master on curseforge |
| 19:34.49 | jnwhiteh | so.. yes? |
| 19:34.52 | Stanzilla | oh |
| 19:34.57 | jnwhiteh | not released |
| 19:34.59 | Stanzilla | did you turn alpha packaing off? |
| 19:34.59 | jnwhiteh | but pushed to master |
| 19:35.04 | jnwhiteh | probably |
| 19:35.05 | jnwhiteh | peopel are dumb |
| 19:35.11 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 19:35.13 | zenzelezz | wat |
| 19:35.24 | jnwhiteh | why did they remove a return from GetQuestLogTitle |
| 19:35.45 | Semlar | just to mess with us |
| 19:35.46 | Fisker | Yeah get a brian morans |
| 19:35.48 | Fisker | :D |
| 19:35.55 | mikma | most likely because questlog is full of shit and piss now |
| 19:36.39 | Simca | to be fair that removal is listed on the 6.0.2 api changes wiki page; but yeah, it caught me up too, in like 3 different addons |
| 19:36.54 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 19:37.08 | jnwhiteh | I've been writing defending and correcting my PhD while holding down a full time job |
| 19:37.15 | jnwhiteh | checking the wiki for api changes hasn't been on the top of my list =) |
| 19:37.34 | jnwhiteh | have a link by any chance? |
| 19:37.45 | Simca | http://wowpedia.org/Patch_6.0.2/API_changes |
| 19:38.01 | jleclanche | jnwhiteh: they removed one of isHeader, isCollapsed or isComplete |
| 19:38.09 | jleclanche | guessing isCollapsed |
| 19:38.15 | Simca | no, they removed questTag |
| 19:38.16 | jnwhiteh | Simca: its not on the page |
| 19:38.22 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 19:38.23 | jnwhiteh | it is there |
| 19:38.25 | jnwhiteh | fyfan. |
| 19:38.31 | jleclanche | Simca: questTag? |
| 19:38.39 | Simca | it was the fourth return |
| 19:38.43 | jleclanche | oh nvm |
| 19:38.49 | Simca | i already updated the wiki's page if you're looking at that |
| 19:38.53 | jleclanche | yeah. |
| 19:38.54 | jleclanche | :P |
| 19:38.59 | jleclanche | what was that questTag thing? |
| 19:39.21 | nevcairiel | the text indicator for the difficulty and group size requirements |
| 19:39.28 | Simca | used to say things like "(Group)" i think |
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| 19:48.33 | fewyn | is there a way to turn off the new item in your bag glow? |
| 19:48.41 | DJJeff | still not possible to buy all the toys AND have enough tricky treats for |
| 19:48.41 | DJJeff | http://www.wowhead.com/item=116828 |
| 19:48.51 | fewyn | yeah it makes me sad DJJeff |
| 19:48.57 | fewyn | i only got 325 tricky treats |
| 19:49.01 | fewyn | from doing all the buckets |
| 19:49.05 | DJJeff | I think blizzard is hotfix that item down to 500 from 1000 |
| 19:49.12 | fewyn | yeah it's still not possible |
| 19:49.15 | fewyn | imo |
| 19:49.17 | kd3 | alliance got the short end of the stick, since there are more buckets horde side |
| 19:49.33 | DJJeff | would be super cool to have 25 LK's vs LK |
| 19:49.48 | DJJeff | you can use that item outside of hallowsend |
| 19:49.57 | DJJeff | but its soulbound |
| 19:49.58 | nevcairiel | 500 is possible with dailys |
| 19:50.16 | nevcairiel | on alliance too |
| 19:50.20 | DJJeff | I already spent 150 on the wickerman toy |
| 19:50.27 | kullervo | DJJeff: would take about 5 seconds to defeat LK like that |
| 19:50.28 | nevcairiel | well that you cannot do |
| 19:50.40 | kullervo | I mean the suits have nothing to deal with it |
| 19:53.33 | nevcairiel | in any case, if you do all dailys every day and the horseman, you can get up to 600 with a bit of loot luck from the buckets |
| 19:57.01 | DJJeff | this one claims to emulate a tom tom arrow? |
| 19:57.02 | DJJeff | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/dugi-questing-essential |
| 19:57.08 | DJJeff | *scratches head* |
| 19:58.24 | kullervo | DJJeff: that addon looks pretty bad just judging from the item comparison screenshot |
| 19:58.50 | kullervo | how would a str crit hit be a 94% upgrade over a stam dodge item with 2 sockets? |
| 19:59.53 | DJJeff | no clue |
| 20:00.00 | DJJeff | using curse client is funny |
| 20:00.11 | DJJeff | I have seen like 15 addons that claim todo the same thing |
| 20:00.22 | DJJeff | make sounds when complete a quest |
| 20:00.37 | DJJeff | so many people try to re invent the wheel lol |
| 20:00.45 | jnwhiteh | well shit |
| 20:01.05 | DJJeff | why have 15 crappy addons that do the same thing instead of 1 really good one |
| 20:01.13 | DJJeff | *sigh* |
| 20:01.37 | jnwhiteh | DJJeff: *shrug* |
| 20:01.40 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 20:01.44 | jnwhiteh | so TomTom is updated |
| 20:01.47 | jnwhiteh | its still broken |
| 20:01.48 | DJJeff | yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay TOM TOM!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:01.49 | jnwhiteh | but quest pois work |
| 20:01.51 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 20:01.53 | jnwhiteh | that's something |
| 20:01.56 | jnwhiteh | but how the hell do i fix tomtom? |
| 20:01.57 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 20:02.07 | nevcairiel | how about manual /way thingys? |
| 20:02.10 | TC-Work | Start from scratch. |
| 20:02.18 | nevcairiel | thats really all i use from tomtom |
| 20:02.19 | TC-Work | We all know you have plenty of time. |
| 20:02.20 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: umm |
| 20:02.22 | DJJeff | wow-pro.com is a questing addon they have a working hacked copy of tom tom |
| 20:02.23 | jnwhiteh | i dont see why that wouldn't work |
| 20:02.29 | jnwhiteh | but i honestly didn't check |
| 20:02.37 | jnwhiteh | DJJeff: all of his changes are incorporated |
| 20:02.38 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 20:02.43 | jnwhiteh | the "working" means "no errors in default config" |
| 20:02.46 | jnwhiteh | its hardly working :P |
| 20:02.47 | nevcairiel | you just said its still broken, so i'm asking |
| 20:02.55 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: i know not everything is fixed, is all i mean |
| 20:02.57 | DJJeff | their hacked copy does NOT have poi working |
| 20:03.04 | jnwhiteh | mine does |
| 20:03.04 | jnwhiteh | i win |
| 20:03.05 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 20:03.12 | DJJeff | yaaaaaaay |
| 20:03.43 | DJJeff | you can haz warlock cookies.... (soulwell) |
| 20:04.21 | nevcairiel | DJJeff: i actually just build an addon that has sound on quest finish, but I did it because the addon i used before 6.0 is abandoned and broke quite badly, re-writing was easier than fixing someone elses addon, and I don't bother to go around find some 90% addon to use and miss out on 10%, i just write my own which does exactly what I need ... and when I have done so, I might as well share it with people! |
| 20:05.02 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: but thats not why people have re-implemented tomtom |
| 20:05.05 | jnwhiteh | not that I care but meh |
| 20:05.15 | jnwhiteh | i have better quality and updates than most anyways |
| 20:05.22 | jnwhiteh | I've been doing this shit for 10 years and I'm still kicking |
| 20:05.28 | jnwhiteh | there's a new carboinite every year =) |
| 20:05.35 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmmmmm I told curse client to not install addon libs but it did anyway? |
| 20:05.53 | DJJeff | carbonite is a paid addon? |
| 20:05.53 | Stanzilla | some addons disallow nolib zips |
| 20:06.15 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: yeah well some people just do it for weird reasons, like this quest guid thing DJJeff just linked just probably makes money with it somehow |
| 20:06.27 | DJJeff | carbonite should be getting daily updates just like deadly boss mods |
| 20:06.33 | DJJeff | if people pay for carbonite |
| 20:06.43 | jnwhiteh | paid addons |
| 20:06.44 | jnwhiteh | psh. |
| 20:06.45 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 20:06.48 | jnwhiteh | fucking lightheaded |
| 20:06.54 | jnwhiteh | where the hell am I supposed to put this frame? |
| 20:06.58 | Simca | there are no paid addons, not technically |
| 20:07.01 | nevcairiel | i wondered about that |
| 20:07.11 | jnwhiteh | I have an idea |
| 20:07.13 | jnwhiteh | that just came to me |
| 20:07.17 | jnwhiteh | but.. |
| 20:07.18 | DJJeff | wow-pro does not make money its 100% free |
| 20:07.25 | nevcairiel | the map is already kinda busy with the quest log |
| 20:07.30 | nevcairiel | adding it just there might be terribly ugly |
| 20:09.34 | DJJeff | this addon makes the "JOBS DONE" / "WORK COMPLETE" in orc sound |
| 20:09.35 | DJJeff | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/quest-announce-2-0 |
| 20:09.47 | DJJeff | works fine for me |
| 20:09.58 | DJJeff | I think it does the same thing that carbonite does |
| 20:10.22 | DJJeff | except I find carbonite to buggy so I disable/uninstall carbonite alot |
| 20:11.08 | DJJeff | ohhhhhh crap... wrong one |
| 20:11.11 | DJJeff | its this one |
| 20:11.12 | DJJeff | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/quester |
| 20:11.16 | nevcairiel | thats mine |
| 20:11.20 | DJJeff | is it? |
| 20:11.27 | DJJeff | I <3 quester :) |
| 20:11.31 | nevcairiel | says so on the project page |
| 20:11.31 | Semlar | it's got his name on it |
| 20:11.55 | DJJeff | ah yes so it does |
| 20:12.16 | DJJeff | yaaaaaaaaaay for nev making awesome addons! |
| 20:12.38 | nevcairiel | its basically a re-incarnation of SmoothQuest, which broke and the author has long vanished |
| 20:12.50 | Semlar | thief! |
| 20:13.00 | DJJeff | still love nev for bartender |
| 20:13.08 | DJJeff | that addon is pure gold |
| 20:13.08 | nevcairiel | due to interface changes, i rewrote like 90% of it, hardly thiefing! |
| 20:13.32 | DJJeff | never ever give up on bartender |
| 20:13.53 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: hrm, what about stashing the LH panel at the bottom of the screen? |
| 20:14.02 | jnwhiteh | overlaid on top of the actionbars? |
| 20:14.19 | DJJeff | I will ragequit wow the day bartender becomes abandon |
| 20:14.48 | nevcairiel | i suppose you dont quickly peek at the quests while fighting your way through some fiends? |
| 20:15.03 | jnwhiteh | and when you do you probably don't click buttons |
| 20:15.04 | jnwhiteh | I dunno |
| 20:15.09 | Semlar | i don't even look at my screen while i'm playing |
| 20:15.17 | nevcairiel | well you are a hunter |
| 20:16.10 | TC-Work | Faceroll to victory? |
| 20:16.27 | Semlar | i don't have to keep track of serpent sting any more soo |
| 20:16.35 | Semlar | it's pretty much just mash whatever is off cooldown |
| 20:17.41 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 20:17.45 | jnwhiteh | i'll just implement a quest log window |
| 20:17.47 | jnwhiteh | in LightHeaded |
| 20:17.50 | jnwhiteh | seems the easiest. |
| 20:18.07 | DJJeff | jnwhiteh is this one not on curse or curse client? |
| 20:18.08 | DJJeff | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7017-LightHeaded.html |
| 20:18.20 | jnwhiteh | DJJeff: no its only available on wowinterface.com |
| 20:18.26 | DJJeff | reason? |
| 20:18.30 | jnwhiteh | reason =) |
| 20:18.38 | DJJeff | good reason? |
| 20:18.46 | Gnarfoz | because he can |
| 20:18.47 | nevcairiel | I haven't really used LH anymore in the recent expansions anyway, questing is so straight forward now... |
| 20:18.48 | jnwhiteh | I think so, given that I'm the one that made it :P |
| 20:18.51 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: I know |
| 20:18.55 | jnwhiteh | but I like having it anyway |
| 20:18.58 | jnwhiteh | as do other people |
| 20:19.04 | jnwhiteh | DJJeff: I like supporting wowinterface.com |
| 20:19.06 | Gnarfoz | probably good old dislike of Curse :P |
| 20:19.13 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: make it include achievements, that would be useful! |
| 20:19.14 | jnwhiteh | Meh, I don't dislike curse |
| 20:19.21 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: then I'd have to write the parser for that |
| 20:19.23 | DJJeff | I have not seen or used LH since burning crusades |
| 20:19.29 | jnwhiteh | if you could see the LH parser you'd understand what you're asking |
| 20:19.39 | nevcairiel | wowhead comment pages that different? |
| 20:19.40 | Gnarfoz | but what do you know, WoWI is doing a second attempt at having an updater that works, so maybe it'll all be good soon! :D |
| 20:19.40 | jnwhiteh | DJJeff: it was super useful in wotlk |
| 20:20.01 | nevcairiel | but yeah, i d ont know what kind of crazy code you have! :D |
| 20:20.21 | jnwhiteh | i'd be willign to share with you |
| 20:20.22 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 20:20.24 | jnwhiteh | only you |
| 20:20.25 | DJJeff | see if wowinterface had an addon client better than curse client |
| 20:20.27 | nevcairiel | but seirously though, i would use it for that |
| 20:20.29 | DJJeff | I would not complain |
| 20:21.25 | DJJeff | curse has more money? because they support more games? |
| 20:21.32 | kullervo | DJJeff: you mean if they had an addon client even close to the level of curse client |
| 20:21.46 | kullervo | curse has money because they ask money to give you full functionality |
| 20:22.03 | DJJeff | curse client is still insane buggy |
| 20:22.17 | nevcairiel | part of that is changing though, ads are going to be removed from the curse client as well as a couple of limits |
| 20:22.18 | kullervo | not for me it isn't |
| 20:22.22 | DJJeff | everytime I use curse client I find new bugs |
| 20:22.35 | kullervo | go ahead and report them isntead of complaining here, of all places |
| 20:22.50 | DJJeff | I do report bugs |
| 20:22.51 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 20:23.06 | jnwhiteh | you're rather antagonistic |
| 20:23.54 | kullervo | jnwhiteh: sorry that's my job, hard to drop it |
| 20:24.15 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 20:25.20 | TC-Work | You get paid for that? Damn, I just do it for fun. |
| 20:25.56 | DJJeff | broker cpu died long time ago I think I found a replacement |
| 20:25.57 | DJJeff | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/icpu |
| 20:26.07 | Simca | broker cpu still works fine |
| 20:26.08 | DJJeff | gonna give it a try has a cute name |
| 20:26.15 | Simca | there are addons last updated in TBC that work fine |
| 20:26.30 | Semlar | updates simca |
| 20:26.41 | nevcairiel | i use http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/broker_sysmon |
| 20:26.50 | nevcairiel | they all pretty much do the same htings anyway |
| 20:26.55 | DJJeff | icpu was inspired by broker cpu lol and uses less memory |
| 20:27.16 | kullervo | does cpu use actually matter if wow can't come even close to capping any cores? |
| 20:27.25 | Simca | it matters more than memory |
| 20:27.42 | Simca | since that is in ridiculous abundance in even the most outdated systems |
| 20:27.47 | DJJeff | broker cpu is great for profiling addon cpu usage |
| 20:27.53 | nevcairiel | i mostly use those addons to see my ping and fps, the addon memory info is just a nice bonus to see |
| 20:28.32 | Gnarfoz | memory *usage* pretty uninteresting, memory increasing rate/garbage churn interesting, cpu definitely interesting since that chews on your FPS |
| 20:28.59 | nevcairiel | cant profile cpu without using way too much cpu though |
| 20:29.06 | kullervo | Gnarfoz: except, does it really chew on the fps. |
| 20:29.10 | Gnarfoz | yes. |
| 20:29.14 | nevcairiel | yes it does |
| 20:29.17 | Gnarfoz | because that's where ALL UI code gets run |
| 20:29.20 | Gnarfoz | in the render thread ;D |
| 20:29.32 | nevcairiel | the UI code is in the main render thread, do too much work in an addon and fps drops bad |
| 20:29.55 | Simca | do a complex calculation, watch the game freeze instantly |
| 20:30.05 | Gnarfoz | 60 Hz means ~16 ms per frame, you figure out how much you can use before your FPS is noticably impacted |
| 20:30.46 | nevcairiel | not to mention that the game needs time to render as well =) |
| 20:30.50 | Gnarfoz | whaaat. |
| 20:30.51 | Gnarfoz | never. |
| 20:30.53 | DJJeff | curious to know why this addon died |
| 20:30.54 | DJJeff | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/fortexorcist |
| 20:31.05 | Cidan | would be cool if there were callbacks |
| 20:31.10 | DJJeff | for some odd reason it still works and I enjoy it |
| 20:31.11 | Mr_Rabies | urgh i hate how buggy the headless horseman fight is |
| 20:31.21 | Simca | probably takes a lot of time to maintain, DJJeff |
| 20:31.28 | Mr_Rabies | like half the time i get dced during or after the fight, log back in and we're all in a regular SM instance |
| 20:31.29 | Semlar | if it works how is it dead |
| 20:31.34 | Gnarfoz | it says it's being kept alive in the comments? (probalby in violation of the actual author's rights) |
| 20:31.54 | Stanzilla | DJJeff: http://www.aleaaddons.ru/2014/10/fortexorcist-v1994.html |
| 20:32.03 | kullervo | hmh yes I'm getting about 90 fps avg flying just outside two moons, which is a vast improvement over what I had in the previous expansion |
| 20:32.16 | Simca | it's GPLv3, it's not hard to comply with the author's limited rights |
| 20:34.19 | kullervo | huh, wow has an ingame browser? |
| 20:34.28 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 20:34.35 | kullervo | since when o.O |
| 20:34.38 | Simca | used only by the shop and customer support parts of the blizz UI |
| 20:34.44 | Simca | all functions are protected |
| 20:34.45 | Stanzilla | 5.x |
| 20:35.18 | kullervo | ah right |
| 20:35.24 | kullervo | just been a really long time since I fired up procexp |
| 20:35.30 | Cidan | hm, to play WoW again or not... |
| 20:38.19 | kullervo | the main thread seems to be taking about 11.2% of teh total CPU time |
| 20:39.52 | Simca | break a few recount functions, suppress lua errors, and enter a 25man LFR Siege of Orgrimmar |
| 20:40.01 | Simca | FPS will be like 5 |
| 20:40.21 | kullervo | of ONE core, actually, I think |
| 20:41.28 | kullervo | would be nice if procexp could show which cores stuff is running on |
| 20:42.04 | kullervo | Simca: already did that, actually |
| 20:42.27 | kullervo | also at one point found that vsync + 60 fps cap + 73hz refresh rate don't really add up nicely |
| 20:43.07 | Simca | Recount.SpellDamage is a good one to break, just remove an argument from the function definition |
| 20:43.54 | kullervo | the raid and battleground settings is a nice addition |
| 20:44.02 | Simca | yeah it is |
| 20:44.57 | Semlar | i only do like 10k dps neffi |
| 20:45.06 | Semlar | i'm just gonna delete my character |
| 20:45.08 | kullervo | I might actually use it myself, don't REALLY need to have shadows etc at ultra when raiding |
| 20:45.36 | nevcairiel | thats what i did, turn down shadows in raids, leave everything else up |
| 20:46.16 | kullervo | I also reduced refraction and SSAO levels |
| 20:47.08 | DJJeff | lightheaded lua error |
| 20:47.08 | DJJeff | https://bpaste.net/show/7c8677ea8e1e |
| 20:47.28 | DJJeff | yikes that one is big |
| 20:47.43 | kullervo | seems the game now NEARLY caps my GPU under some conditions at everything maxed and some stuff boosted through nvidia controls |
| 20:49.17 | DJJeff | my gpu while in undercity in wow |
| 20:49.18 | DJJeff | http://puu.sh/cjUFp.png |
| 20:49.23 | Simca | DJJeff: it references QuestLogFrame on that line |
| 20:49.28 | Simca | QuestLogFrame doesn't exist in WoD |
| 20:49.29 | nevcairiel | i can make it cap GPU quite easily, just need to look at the right things |
| 20:49.39 | DJJeff | nvidia gtx 660 |
| 20:49.46 | Simca | It's QuestLogMapFrame now iirc |
| 20:50.20 | DJJeff | lightheaded belongs to jnwhiteh |
| 20:50.30 | nevcairiel | he is working on it |
| 20:50.30 | Simca | QuestMapFrame* |
| 20:50.43 | kullervo | DJJeff: http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/System_Information_2014-10-20_23-50-32.png |
| 20:50.55 | jnwhiteh | it weirds me out that people still use windows |
| 20:51.04 | DJJeff | windows? |
| 20:51.22 | DJJeff | I look out of windows not sure I use them |
| 20:51.23 | karl_w_w | it weirds me out that people don't use windows |
| 20:51.31 | DJJeff | heh |
| 20:51.34 | jnwhiteh | New version of LightHeaded: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/downloadbeta326 |
| 20:51.38 | jnwhiteh | its 'standalone' now |
| 20:51.41 | jnwhiteh | so you have to open it using /lh open |
| 20:51.45 | DJJeff | if wine ran directx 11 |
| 20:51.47 | jnwhiteh | this is a temporary measure |
| 20:51.54 | DJJeff | I would ummmmmmmmmm be using ubuntu 100% of the time |
| 20:52.49 | kullervo | if games actually had native linux versions and if GPU performance was as good, I might consider using htat |
| 20:52.55 | Simca | a lifetime of windows keyboard shortcuts and mouse shortcuts means that every linux machine I use has to have a bunch of things custom configured, which is a waste of my time |
| 20:52.59 | kullervo | until then, I'll consider it a server OS |
| 20:53.17 | jnwhiteh | goodnight all, catch up with you tomorrow |
| 20:53.21 | nevcairiel | Simca: try using a mac, where even the default conventions that both windows and linux share dont work most of the time |
| 20:53.27 | nevcairiel | its driving me f'ing crazy |
| 20:53.57 | karl_w_w | mac: by crazy people for crazy people |
| 20:53.59 | DJJeff | firefox nightly is ALMOST using more GPU than wow |
| 20:54.02 | Simca | yeah, i had to use a mac a few times in my life, and I intend to never use one again if possible |
| 20:54.14 | DJJeff | I agree simca |
| 20:55.14 | DJJeff | use windows for gaming use linux for servers and mac's for hacking and coding |
| 20:55.22 | DJJeff | use all 3 and leave it at that |
| 20:55.50 | kullervo | why would you use mac for hacking and coding when a proper unix distro would do both better? |
| 20:56.07 | DJJeff | dunno |
| 20:56.15 | kullervo | unless you're hacking and coding apple ios apps ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 20:56.34 | kullervo | (as opposed to say.. cisco ios) |
| 20:56.35 | DJJeff | kullervo why is your gpu usage so damn high compared to mine |
| 20:56.42 | DJJeff | how much porn are you watching? |
| 20:56.44 | Stanzilla | dear god, please no OS discussion |
| 20:56.55 | Arrowmaster | its already started |
| 20:57.11 | Simca | please Stanzilla tell us how you feel |
| 20:57.19 | kullervo | DJJeff: I play at 2560*1440 and have AA transparent textures enabled through the driver |
| 20:57.30 | DJJeff | yup that would do it |
| 20:57.42 | DJJeff | 1920*1080 is perfect for me |
| 20:57.45 | kullervo | also this isn't UC, it's two moons. |
| 20:57.45 | karl_w_w | my university had 2 choices of computers in the software engineering/computer science department: one lot had osx and the other had red hat |
| 20:57.57 | karl_w_w | it was hell |
| 20:57.57 | Arrowmaster | 1920x1080 is fucking terrible |
| 20:57.59 | nevcairiel | AA transparent textures shouldn't do anything at all anymore for WoW |
| 20:58.14 | Simca | 1920x1080 is fine, as long as you have multiple monitors |
| 20:58.20 | Stanzilla | Simca: sick atm, you? |
| 20:58.20 | kullervo | nevcairiel: you can also force different AA through the drivers |
| 20:58.30 | nevcairiel | kullervo: not since 6.0 really |
| 20:58.45 | Arrowmaster | i cant stand 16:9 on smaller than a 24" screen |
| 20:59.04 | nevcairiel | he didnt mention the size |
| 20:59.13 | Simca | most new screens are 22"-24" |
| 20:59.15 | Arrowmaster | thats a standard 24" screen size |
| 20:59.20 | Simca | cheap ones anyway |
| 20:59.34 | nevcairiel | since its not smaller t han 24", that should be fine for you? |
| 21:00.01 | kullervo | oh hey I got the GPU use to go up to 75-80% by forcing 32x CSAA |
| 21:00.04 | Arrowmaster | ill only do 16:9 on a screen with a higher res than 1920x1080 |
| 21:00.09 | Simca | Stanzilla: avoiding work by any means possible while rewatching firefly |
| 21:00.19 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_102114_000016.jpg |
| 21:01.05 | karl_w_w | it's still wow |
| 21:01.13 | karl_w_w | it's never going to look good |
| 21:01.15 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 21:01.18 | kullervo | true |
| 21:01.47 | kullervo | but you know, I forced this AA level and some better texture filtering in a game that ran on Quake3 engine |
| 21:01.50 | karl_w_w | smooth the edges of a jaggy texture |
| 21:02.18 | karl_w_w | you can literally emulate ps2 games and get better visual quality |
| 21:02.26 | Mr_Rabies | there's no way to bypass the 20 second logout timer without being in a resting state is there? |
| 21:02.44 | karl_w_w | ForceQuit() |
| 21:02.48 | Neffi | <Semlar> i only do like 10k dps neffi <- I have no idea where that places you |
| 21:02.54 | kullervo | does forcequit save settings? |
| 21:03.22 | karl_w_w | it should do |
| 21:03.37 | Mr_Rabies | does that just log you out or actually exit the game? |
| 21:03.42 | nevcairiel | kullervo: in all my tests forcing AA in WoW has stopped working in 6.0 due to their rendering engine changes, can force the highest level there is,absolutely no visual difference |
| 21:03.49 | karl_w_w | exit the game |
| 21:04.04 | karl_w_w | and your character is still live in the game world |
| 21:04.05 | Mr_Rabies | ah okay |
| 21:04.14 | karl_w_w | until the 20s are up |
| 21:04.21 | karl_w_w | or you log back in |
| 21:04.23 | Mr_Rabies | there's no way to bypass the logout timer and just log out is there? |
| 21:04.31 | karl_w_w | no |
| 21:04.36 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i'm okay with that aspect i just hate waiting :< |
| 21:04.56 | nevcairiel | i sometiems quit and re-launc, since that feels faster, even if it probably isnt :p |
| 21:05.21 | karl_w_w | they should give you a tent you can set up to log out |
| 21:05.29 | karl_w_w | which you can only use in some areas |
| 21:05.34 | Mr_Rabies | aren't they doing something like that in WoD? |
| 21:05.40 | Mr_Rabies | sleeping bag or tent or something? |
| 21:05.42 | nevcairiel | in 6.0 leatherworkers can build tents, not sure if you can actually logout in the mfaster |
| 21:05.57 | foxlit | nevcairiel: i sometiems quit and re-launc, since that feels faster, even if it probably isnt :p << relaunch first, quit later. |
| 21:06.05 | nevcairiel | foxlit: heh |
| 21:06.07 | foxlit | then again, battle.net. |
| 21:07.07 | foxlit | with an ssd and sane amounts of addon code/svs, you should be back within 5s of your login logging you out. |
| 21:07.51 | nevcairiel | these days it often happens that b.net pretends to update when the game closes and i cannot re-launch immediately, i wish they would fix that, beta been doing it for ever |
| 21:08.01 | karl_w_w | I can't even reconnect to the servers inside 5s |
| 21:08.31 | foxlit | could always just launch wow and type your password |
| 21:09.02 | foxlit | though it doesn't seem like you need to. I seem to get both a "Play" button and a "Game is running" notification. |
| 21:09.36 | nevcairiel | not only password, also authenticator, which makes it even slower |
| 21:09.39 | foxlit | and clicking Play actually logs you in. It's surprisingly not bad. |
| 21:09.42 | kullervo | nevcairiel: well damn you'd be right |
| 21:09.58 | kullervo | http://goo.gl/cJHFgD http://goo.gl/ryKN3o |
| 21:10.33 | Neffi | this album is excellent http://imgur.com/a/rDcVK?gallery |
| 21:14.07 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/lQOVsS7.jpg that's needlessly barbaric |
| 21:14.17 | karl_w_w | just take the shark's jug of water and drink it |
| 21:14.31 | Neffi | lol |
| 21:15.19 | Semlar | vampire |
| 21:17.05 | Neffi | you're obsessed with vampires, aren't you, Semlar? |
| 21:17.34 | kullervo | I asked a friend of mine (we work at the same place) whether I should put some bottled blood back on the shelf |
| 21:17.45 | kullervo | his FIRST REACTION was "Oh, I've drank that!" |
| 21:17.48 | Neffi | why did you have bottled blood? |
| 21:18.04 | Semlar | you don't? |
| 21:18.11 | Neffi | well I do, but that's not the question |
| 21:18.14 | Semlar | how do you store it |
| 21:18.16 | Mr_Rabies | some people don't discriminate against draculas |
| 21:18.21 | kullervo | because it's sold in that store. It's a frozen product. |
| 21:18.23 | Semlar | probably pigs blood |
| 21:19.13 | Semlar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_as_food thanks wikipedia |
| 21:20.12 | Mr_Rabies | also chris sims from comicsalliance has me calling all vampires "draculas" |
| 21:20.15 | Mr_Rabies | beacuse it's hilarious |
| 21:21.48 | karl_w_w | this took an odd turn |
| 21:22.26 | Semlar | did you watch vampire prosecutor yet neffi |
| 21:22.49 | Neffi | no, Semlar |
| 21:22.52 | Semlar | NEFFI |
| 21:23.05 | Neffi | wanna know my secret Semlar? |
| 21:23.18 | Semlar | IT'S A SHOW ABOUT A KOREAN LAWYER VAMPIRE WHO FIGHTS CRIME |
| 21:23.33 | Semlar | YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE |
| 21:23.38 | Neffi | I'm obsessed with vampires too. I love vampire mythology. And recent vamprie fiction has totally ruined the subject for me. I won't read/watch anything vampire anymore. |
| 21:24.00 | Semlar | get out of here with that |
| 21:24.49 | Semlar | go watch buffy |
| 21:26.35 | Mr_Rabies | has anyone noticed a peculiar player tooltip bug |
| 21:26.53 | Mr_Rabies | where the hue of the tooltip will change to a bluish color and remain that way until you let the tooltip fully clear? |
| 21:28.10 | Mr_Rabies | neffi: i forget, are you an anime nerd |
| 21:28.17 | Neffi | nope |
| 21:28.30 | Neffi | Avatar is the only 'anime' I like |
| 21:28.35 | Mr_Rabies | watch JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, either way (the tv version) |
| 21:28.52 | Neffi | oh, and Afro Samurai was pretty awesome |
| 21:29.13 | Neffi | go watch that if you haven't. it has Samuel L Jackson in it. |
| 21:29.51 | Semlar | go watch hellsing |
| 21:30.25 | Neffi | Anime just doesn't do it for me. I can't stand the over-the-top plots. |
| 21:30.32 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 21:30.36 | Mr_Rabies | jojo's definitely isn't for you then |
| 21:30.38 | Neffi | Avatar is awesome because it's more subtle, and it's charming as all fuck |
| 21:30.40 | Mr_Rabies | it's so over the top it's in the name |
| 21:30.59 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 21:31.09 | Semlar | whatever the hellsing ova is called, i think it's hellsing ultimate or something |
| 21:31.27 | Mr_Rabies | there's a story in the second part where they find a petrified tree with a man shaped design in the trunk |
| 21:31.29 | Cidan | <3 hellsing |
| 21:31.32 | Cidan | the ova anyway |
| 21:31.41 | kullervo | ah well this is pretty lame, the blizz tool doesn't let me join premades with all 3 roles |
| 21:31.44 | Mr_Rabies | this tree is producing masks that make people into vampires |
| 21:32.08 | Mr_Rabies | nazis fill the tree with blood, and the humanoid design turns into a dude that can fit into anything, that's thousands of years old |
| 21:32.21 | Mr_Rabies | they name him Santana. |
| 21:32.22 | Neffi | that's the kind of plot that I just can't follow |
| 21:33.11 | Semlar | won't watch sexy korean vampire lawyer, won't watch nazi blood tree, what's wrong with you |
| 21:33.22 | Semlar | do you like anything neffi |
| 21:33.40 | Mr_Rabies | JoJo's Bizarre Adventure is so Bizarre that it circles back around and makes perfect sense |
| 21:33.41 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 21:34.05 | Neffi | High fantasy, hard sci-fi, and the few good vampire stories out there that try to take a realistic and practical spin on the idea. Also ancient mythology. |
| 21:34.19 | Semlar | REALISTIC AND PRACTICAL |
| 21:34.22 | Mr_Rabies | by the time you're to the ancient humanoid Pillar Man named Santana that feeds on blood, absorbs people, and can fit into anything, that's already perfectly normal in that world |
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| 21:34.32 | Mr_Rabies | literally anything can happen in JoJo's and that's why i love it so much |
| 21:34.46 | Semlar | neffi i think we should break up |
| 21:34.50 | Neffi | Semlar: if you allow the idea that vampirism is a thing (or even, really, just immortality) there are a lot of far-reaching implications, and fun things you can do with the plot |
| 21:35.00 | Mr_Rabies | also everyone's named after 70s/80s rock bands/musicians |
| 21:35.00 | Neffi | Most writers that touch the subject are really uncreative |
| 21:35.28 | Mr_Rabies | the first Part of JoJo's is set in the late 1800s and is a really great vampire story |
| 21:35.58 | Cidan | Neffi, you should follow this if you're on twitter, or at least, read it: https://twitter.com/AwfulFantasy |
| 21:36.11 | Mr_Rabies | one of those aforementioned vampire masks finds its way into the hands of a man named Dio Brando, who's a downright bastard |
| 21:36.22 | Mr_Rabies | and it's set in late 1800s london, so a great vampire setting |
| 21:36.28 | Neffi | Cidan: the very first tweet I saw when it loaded .... wtf man |
| 21:36.34 | Cidan | hahaha. |
| 21:36.38 | Neffi | "Gimli..." haha |
| 21:37.04 | kd3 | wth groan |
| 21:37.14 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.22 | Semlar | do iiiiiiit |
| 21:37.35 | Neffi | ok Semlar, I'll watch it. just for you |
| 21:37.38 | Semlar | <3 |
| 21:38.29 | Semlar | i'm going to be very hurt if you don't love it |
| 21:44.33 | Neffi | Cidan: "evil plans as obvious as Hawaiian shirts" some of this stuff is so bad it's good. thanks for introducing me to this |
| 21:44.49 | Cidan | no problem, hehe. |
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| 21:59.21 | Mr_Rabies | man i really wish i could into coding |
| 21:59.32 | Mr_Rabies | i have an idea for a bag addon but zero skill to make it |
| 22:00.17 | Mr_Rabies | basically like combuctor but the tabs are for each bag type, combined into one frame |
| 22:02.23 | Ironii | edit combuctor? |
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| 22:02.55 | Ironii | or ask someone to edit it for you :P |
| 22:03.03 | Cidan | "<Mr_Rabies>man i really wish i could into coding" |
| 22:03.18 | Cidan | I think you should into English first, maybe? |
| 22:03.27 | Mr_Rabies | pfft |
| 22:03.47 | Mr_Rabies | i think you misunderestimate my englums |
| 22:04.11 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Can%27t%20Into |
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| 22:11.09 | kullervo | Cidan cannot into memes |
| 22:11.14 | DJJeff | easy fix for this lua error? |
| 22:11.15 | DJJeff | https://bpaste.net/show/25b30d06cd82 |
| 22:11.44 | Cidan | :( |
| 22:12.10 | kullervo | DJJeff: look at line 25 |
| 22:12.28 | DJJeff | kullervo dont feel bad each time I get into a premade my realm goes down |
| 22:12.44 | DJJeff | and when it comes back up I am removed from the group |
| 22:13.09 | DJJeff | was in a ICC 25 H on LK 12/12 and my realm goes down... boom |
| 22:13.09 | kullervo | wait what's this related to o.O |
| 22:13.24 | DJJeff | you complained about premades and all 3 roles? |
| 22:14.14 | kullervo | oh, yes. But I guess being able to hard switch spec and have everything ready in under a minute isn't mainstream enough |
| 22:14.28 | DJJeff | ah yes lol |
| 22:14.58 | DJJeff | I queue a dungeon as a tank in dps spec trying to switch and healers pull |
| 22:15.06 | DJJeff | because I can not switch fast enough |
| 22:15.18 | kullervo | yeah see, this is why you respec BEFORE entering |
| 22:15.19 | Semlar10 | gotta go fast |
| 22:15.45 | DJJeff | and when I go in as a healer in dps spec the tank just takes off |
| 22:15.55 | DJJeff | does not wait for his healer or the other dps |
| 22:15.56 | Semlar10 | gotta go fast |
| 22:16.00 | kullervo | they'll probably live |
| 22:16.14 | kullervo | my pants are made out of GOES FAST |
| 22:16.15 | DJJeff | tanks seem to play like they solo dungeons |
| 22:16.25 | kullervo | DJJeff: like, 5-mans? Yeah, they do |
| 22:16.29 | DJJeff | I wish blizzard would fix that |
| 22:16.34 | DJJeff | honestly I do |
| 22:16.38 | kullervo | I literally did once because the group was so bad and I didn't feel like waiting |
| 22:16.39 | Cidan | how's the new patch, gameplay wise |
| 22:16.40 | Cidan | is it fun? |
| 22:16.49 | DJJeff | I would enjoy WoW 100% more if tanks would WAIT for the group |
| 22:17.09 | Ironii | if he can solo it, why would he wait for you? |
| 22:17.27 | DJJeff | or blizzard should offer an option in the dungeon finder to tick a box that says.... |
| 22:17.30 | DJJeff | "GO FAST" |
| 22:17.32 | kullervo | Cidan: group died about three seconds after I pulled the first boss in strath, caught up at 3rd boss, I had something like 97% of total damage dealt and the run still took less than 7 minutes |
| 22:17.41 | kullervo | and by strath I mean scholo |
| 22:18.02 | Cidan | I... see? |
| 22:18.09 | DJJeff | like seriously why call it "5-man" if a tank can "1-man" |
| 22:18.17 | Mr_Rabies | no one really wants to waste time doing low-tier content at this point |
| 22:18.20 | Semlar10 | i can solo heroics on my hunter faster than the other 4 people can normally |
| 22:18.30 | Mr_Rabies | heroics are gonna be a lot harder in WoD, supposedly |
| 22:18.37 | Mr_Rabies | i hope they're not ZA level "hard" |
| 22:18.42 | Mr_Rabies | aka "time-wasting" |
| 22:18.45 | Ironii | DJJeff it was designed for ~450-460ilvl, you are running it with 550+ |
| 22:18.48 | foxlit | it doesn't particularly matter. You're about 4 tiers over those instances. |
| 22:18.48 | DJJeff | lol zul aman |
| 22:18.50 | Ironii | ofc its easy and soloable |
| 22:19.07 | Mr_Rabies | not even 450, like 400 |
| 22:19.17 | Mr_Rabies | or whatever the minimum is nowadays |
| 22:19.25 | foxlit | they could of course tune random dungeons to be hard. But then why would anyone every run them? |
| 22:19.36 | foxlit | s/y / / |
| 22:19.41 | Mr_Rabies | hell i queue as tank and then go in in cat form |
| 22:19.46 | Mr_Rabies | and stay in cat form |
| 22:19.52 | Mr_Rabies | and solo the whole place in dps spec |
| 22:20.00 | Ironii | yeah, please design 5mans in last raid tier in mind instead of the first one |
| 22:20.02 | Ironii | would be fun |
| 22:20.06 | kullervo | DJJeff: 5-man content is generally about 120-140 itemlevels below a well geared tank |
| 22:20.12 | kullervo | they are no longer obligated to give a shit |
| 22:20.15 | DJJeff | people in heirloom BoA gear should not be grouped up with non BoA heirlooms |
| 22:20.25 | DJJeff | ohhhh |
| 22:20.27 | DJJeff | ok |
| 22:20.30 | DJJeff | makes sense |
| 22:20.32 | foxlit | could just go challenge mode on your sorry cat behind, and scale you back down to reasonable size. |
| 22:20.34 | DJJeff | *shrug* |
| 22:20.56 | kullervo | foxlit: but that's challenge modes, normal content is supposed to become steamroll at some point |
| 22:21.02 | Cidan | foxlit, do you still maintain opie? |
| 22:21.08 | DJJeff | my friend is started wow last week has not seen the old content and thinks groups go too fast for him |
| 22:21.11 | Mr_Rabies | cat form is a mess in the old challenge modes |
| 22:21.15 | DJJeff | so he yells at his screen |
| 22:21.15 | Mr_Rabies | or was |
| 22:21.19 | Mr_Rabies | it was so bad |
| 22:21.25 | foxlit | but that'd just be frustrating -- "why do I have to run this repetitive content with no prospective rewards just to get ----valor---- (oh wait, no valor)" |
| 22:21.27 | Mr_Rabies | scaled down cat form is like the worst thing ever |
| 22:21.29 | kullervo | Mr_Rabies: you mean druids are a mess in the old challenge modes |
| 22:21.36 | Mr_Rabies | guardian isn't bad |
| 22:21.47 | foxlit | Cidan: yes. |
| 22:21.55 | Ironii | DJJeff gather a 5man group and show the dungeons for him |
| 22:21.56 | kullervo | it was possible to carry a guardian, didn't mean it was good :D |
| 22:22.01 | Mr_Rabies | i did more dps as guardian than feral in CMs |
| 22:22.21 | foxlit | high hopes for new transferrable combo points |
| 22:22.22 | kullervo | yeah because vengeance |
| 22:22.35 | kullervo | Mr_Rabies: you realise prot paladins were pulling 1mil dps in some challenges |
| 22:22.48 | Mr_Rabies | jeez |
| 22:22.49 | Ironii | if you really think 5man lfd groups are too fast for you, you have other problems than lfd players being too good |
| 22:22.56 | Mr_Rabies | i did like 40-50k |
| 22:23.07 | Cidan | foxlit, cool, it's like, the only addon I care about anymore |
| 22:23.13 | Mr_Rabies | in cat i did like, 20-25k |
| 22:23.25 | kullervo | I never was cool enough to figure out how to stay alive long enough to reach vengeance like that so I just went there on my monk with its pesky 200k aoe and "Oh healer you're such a noob hugging the dogs, look, I have to solo this pack now" |
| 22:23.46 | Mr_Rabies | foxlit, they're not transferrable as much as they're on *you* |
| 22:23.57 | Mr_Rabies | even though the UI is terrible at displaying this |
| 22:24.25 | kullervo | so they're like chi now |
| 22:24.26 | foxlit | I'm aware of that. It seemed like a more descriptive word. |
| 22:24.45 | kullervo | blizzard was going to do that in MoP already but gave it to monks instead |
| 22:24.46 | Mr_Rabies | yup, they even slowly fade like chi |
| 22:25.00 | Mr_Rabies | one point at a time out of combat every x seconds |
| 22:25.26 | Jamash | cat science https://imgur.com/a/ZcJ4A |
| 22:25.28 | Mr_Rabies | hearkitty is an awesome addon btw |
| 22:25.42 | Mr_Rabies | if anyone plays a class with combo point-like abilities |
| 22:25.49 | Mr_Rabies | it's basically audible combo points |
| 22:26.18 | Ironii | why would you want something like that |
| 22:26.37 | Jamash | eyes on the battle, not on the combo point meter |
| 22:26.40 | Mr_Rabies | it's incredibly useful |
| 22:27.02 | Jamash | I could use something like that for affliction dot expiration |
| 22:27.07 | Jamash | and shadow |
| 22:27.22 | foxlit | the missing piece of the puzzle is that combo point gain is a little unpredictable, so you can't just keep track of it in memory. |
| 22:27.38 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think it supports that but it'll track say, soulshards, demonic fury, burning embers, etc |
| 22:27.58 | Mr_Rabies | and shadow orbs, chi, holy power, etc |
| 22:28.07 | Mr_Rabies | pretty much anything that is basically combo points |
| 22:28.12 | Ironii | how does it actually work, say the amount of power you have? |
| 22:28.22 | Mr_Rabies | it's configurable, mine's setup to play tones |
| 22:28.24 | foxlit | different chimes would do well enough. |
| 22:28.31 | Mr_Rabies | each tone signifies a different combo point amount |
| 22:28.34 | Mr_Rabies | in a scaled system |
| 22:28.54 | foxlit | though you're 90% there with just "ZOMG YOU HAVE FULL COMBO POINTS" |
| 22:29.42 | Mr_Rabies | yeah and you can have it just yell when you're maxed too, but as a music nerd the scale thing works great for me |
| 22:30.28 | DJJeff | when was the last time /readycheck was used in a "5-man" |
| 22:30.44 | Ironii | 5.1 |
| 22:31.02 | Ironii | mayby 5.2 |
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| 22:32.40 | Ironii | i guess sound effects works for some guys, i prefer simple text strings |
| 22:32.44 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really think many people really want to slow down the 5 man experience much, considering the terrible adoption rate of CMs |
| 22:33.01 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather focus on the game world and not the UI as much as possible |
| 22:33.46 | Ironii | voip & music > ingame sounds for me ;p |
| 22:33.57 | Mr_Rabies | i don't listen to music when raiding |
| 22:34.00 | Mr_Rabies | too distracting |
| 22:34.16 | Ironii | only game sounds i have on are warnings for instance queue popup and emphasize bigwigs bars |
| 22:34.24 | Jamash | I pick boss-appropriate soundtracks |
| 22:34.42 | Ironii | O.o |
| 22:34.50 | Jamash | like Bring Me To Life for Dreamwalker |
| 22:34.57 | Mr_Rabies | boss appropriate soundtracks for most of MoP would be the G-Gundam soundtrack imo |
| 22:35.11 | Jamash | or, of course, The Safety Dance |
| 22:35.28 | Jamash | Rammstein is also generally appropriate boss music in most cases |
| 22:36.09 | Jamash | Feuer Frei! for vehicle fights |
| 22:36.13 | Jamash | or dps races |
| 22:36.30 | Jamash | Engel for twin valkyr |
| 22:36.34 | Jamash | you get the idea |
| 22:36.37 | Mr_Rabies | like, this track for every boss fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSdkMrMLiR8 |
| 22:36.59 | Jamash | is this like guile's theme goes with anything? |
| 22:37.08 | Mr_Rabies | pretty much |
| 22:37.09 | Ironii | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWRJAHaOrYg |
| 22:37.23 | Ironii | i did actually listen that alot during progress, not becouse i was tanking tho |
| 22:37.23 | Ironii | :D |
| 22:37.50 | Jamash | oh yeah, Garbage has some good ones |
| 22:38.27 | Mr_Rabies | man, that garbage track for the MGSV trailer |
| 22:38.30 | Mr_Rabies | so perfect |
| 22:38.34 | Mr_Rabies | every song for every MGSV trailer |
| 22:40.11 | Mr_Rabies | like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pPXuFNGEr8 [content warning if you're easily offended or upset or whatever] |
| 22:40.15 | Jamash | Supervixen for sindy |
| 22:40.23 | Jamash | As Heaven Is Wide for Arthas |
| 22:40.39 | Jamash | Push It for every boss ever |
| 22:41.21 | Jamash | I didn't raid during cata because cata heroics killed my guild, and my computer was broken for Mists |
| 22:41.38 | Ironii | miley curys the climb for progress? |
| 22:41.45 | Mr_Rabies | man i cannot wait for MGSV |
| 22:41.56 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think i've been hyped for a game this hard since...MGS4 |
| 22:42.09 | Mr_Rabies | or maybe dark souls/DS2 |
| 22:44.11 | Ironii | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wilq39gEJyc&feature=youtu.be |
| 22:44.37 | Ironii | Mr_Rabies does your playing sound like that ? ;P |
| 22:44.43 | Mr_Rabies | nope, lmao |
| 22:44.45 | Mr_Rabies | that's hilarious |
| 22:46.25 | Ironii | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT35NLodcEE |
| 22:46.26 | Ironii | :DD |
| 22:46.55 | Ironii | 12mins of that and i would be ready to quit wow |
| 22:47.55 | Mr_Rabies | lemme see if i can record it to vocaroo or something |
| 22:48.14 | Mr_Rabies | ..once i land on timeless isle |
| 22:50.55 | Jamash | dubstep combo points |
| 22:51.26 | Jamash | the drop is at 4, so you're ready to wubwubwub at 5 |
| 22:52.35 | Unkle | Remember to WAAAAAAAH when you get to 0. |
| 22:52.55 | Mr_Rabies | here have the lowest quality audio possible http://vocaroo.com/i/s13jUOgArf9N |
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| 23:01.01 | Mr_Rabies | man i love the new premade group tool |
| 23:02.06 | Mr_Rabies | i love that it got basically an instant full adoption rate since they simultaneously killed OQ |
| 23:04.05 | foxlit | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14880818137 << this baffles me. |
| 23:06.21 | kullervo | DJJeff: did you sort out that er ror? |
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| 23:14.52 | Semlar10 | disables foxlit |
| 23:16.19 | Mr_Rabies | like, Bane-style? |
| 23:16.58 | Semlar10 | now he can only play using one button macros |
| 23:17.33 | Mr_Rabies | i thought they were changing the battleground UI to have better information? |
| 23:18.01 | foxlit | Semlar10: how do I move around? |
| 23:18.16 | Semlar10 | you don't |
| 23:18.37 | Semlar10 | autofollow the nearest player |
| 23:18.44 | foxlit | that doesn't sound like I'll be doing much playing of anything, then. |
| 23:19.15 | Semlar10 | yeah.. but still |
| 23:20.10 | Jamash | foxlit: what baffles you about it? |
| 23:21.11 | Semlar10 | i wonder what these people did before these macros |
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| 23:21.46 | foxlit | Jamash: I don't see why there should be a reasonable expectation to be able to play multiplayer games if your motor skills limit you to pressing a single button. |
| 23:21.52 | Jamash | Imagine trying to play wow with one finger, and only the numpad. You *can* move and turn, but that leaves precious few buttons for actions, and no shift/ctrl/alt modifiers. |
| 23:22.07 | Jamash | with appropriate macros, you can still play |
| 23:22.12 | Jamash | without appropriate macros, you can't |
| 23:22.28 | Jamash | foxlit: nobody's talking about playing with one button, that's silly |
| 23:22.29 | foxlit | You can't meaningfully interact with the game with that sort of input limitations. |
| 23:22.33 | Jamash | yes you can |
| 23:23.04 | Jamash | have you tried it? these people have, and they're telling everyone that they have succeeded |
| 23:23.08 | foxlit | Quick, move out of that void zone! Now turn around and run towards the player you're linked with! FACE AWAY FROM THE C'THUN. |
| 23:23.15 | Jamash | you're not serious, are you? |
| 23:23.32 | Jamash | nobody's raiding progression content with that kind of disability |
| 23:23.50 | Constie | Well that's why they're still on C'thun. |
| 23:23.53 | foxlit | then nobody needs to weave their rotational cooldowns into their macro. |
| 23:24.11 | foxlit | /cast Mangle will get you through levelling and 5-mans. |
| 23:24.15 | Jamash | they need those macros to be able to do even subpar dps |
| 23:24.22 | Jamash | to not drag the group down |
| 23:25.14 | Jamash | I've never understood why blizzard is so down on fallthrough macros anyway |
| 23:25.25 | foxlit | there are varying degrees of dragging the group down. |
| 23:25.31 | Jamash | you can emulate a fallthrough macro by dragging your finger along the number keys |
| 23:26.02 | Jamash | if the game becomes substantially easier when they're available then the game is poorly designed imo |
| 23:26.25 | Constie | I'm with this person: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14880818137?page=5#83 |
| 23:27.35 | Jamash | Constie: Nice, I like |
| 23:28.14 | kullervo | except this is different entirely |
| 23:29.18 | kullervo | because game rotations are mostly about very rapid decision making and remembering which skills is more important etc |
| 23:29.37 | kullervo | a running race is about who's stronger in a physical activity |
| 23:30.34 | Constie | Why do I keep getting apparent garbage folders in my WTF directory? Like, right now I have a WTF\Account\SavedVariables with nothing in it. |
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| 23:31.20 | Mr_Rabies | same |
| 23:31.32 | Mr_Rabies | do you use curse client and/or minion? i have reason to suspect it miiiiight be one of those two |
| 23:31.37 | foxlit | it's not. |
| 23:31.56 | Constie | Yeah, it happened before I recently first installed Minion. |
| 23:31.58 | foxlit | it's wow itself. |
| 23:33.02 | Simca | wow has been making garbage directories for a long time now |
| 23:33.06 | Simca | since either Cata or MoP |
| 23:39.30 | Constie | Disabling "Automatically scale text to fit within frames" fixed my OmniCC issue. Which you'd think would be a thing I might have thought to try earlier. |
| 23:43.43 | TC-Work | jleclanche: If I add a message, even if I redirect to another page just after and call the message, it should show up right? |
| 23:44.02 | jleclanche | TC-Work: you mean to django's messaging framework? |
| 23:44.08 | TC-Work | jleclanche: Yes. |
| 23:44.23 | jleclanche | i dont use it much but afaik yes, they are queued up until js gets them |
| 23:44.29 | jleclanche | (or some such) |
| 23:44.59 | TC-Work | Bah, thanks. |
| 23:45.12 | TC-Work | I was hoping there was something I was missing. |
| 23:46.55 | jleclanche | TC-Work: check your cookies i believe they queue up there |
| 23:47.15 | TC-Work | jleclanche: Good call, thanks. |
| 23:49.03 | foxlit | Darkbreak Cove is annoying. It's [outdoors,flyable], and yet you can't fly there. |
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| 23:49.36 | TC-Work | jleclanche: Well, it's there but calling it seems to do nothing. {% for message in messages %} {{ messages }} {% endfor %} is the suggested way, but I get nada. |
| 23:49.48 | Cidan | is that jinja |
| 23:49.55 | jleclanche | django, so somewhat |
| 23:50.09 | Cidan | well the templating engine looks exactly like jinja |
| 23:50.11 | jleclanche | TC-Work: remember "messages" is given by the messaging middleware |
| 23:50.19 | jleclanche | so uh, enable it i guess? |
| 23:50.23 | TC-Work | it is. |
| 23:50.34 | jleclanche | dont know then, ask in #django |
| 23:50.52 | jleclanche | Cidan: jinja was inspired by django |
| 23:50.57 | Cidan | ah |
| 23:50.59 | Cidan | makes sense |
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| 23:57.02 | kd3 | hm, "cross-realm zone is down" getting spammed. wonder where I'm going to log in to when the disconnect inevitably happens? |
| 23:57.20 | Semlar | probably the same zone |
| 23:57.39 | kd3 | I'm flying from quel'danas to zul'aman |
| 23:57.44 | Semlar | it may just put you on a different server |
| 23:57.51 | Cidan | hm |
| 23:57.59 | Cidan | how does that work? |
| 23:58.07 | Cidan | phasing into a zone across a realm? |
| 23:58.12 | Cidan | do you just... appear? |
| 23:58.27 | kd3 | more or less |
| 23:58.29 | foxlit | about the same as if you've logged in there. |
| 23:58.31 | Cidan | sorry, I haven't actually played in like 2 years |
| 23:58.36 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Cross-realm_zones |
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| 23:59.18 | Cidan | oh man |
| 23:59.21 | Arrowmaster | i really need to get this solved, every few days i lose networking on my laptop and have to restart it |
| 23:59.26 | Cidan | what does dalaran look like? |
| 23:59.28 | foxlit | but zone boundaries are typically those ~90-yard tranches of land where nothing of value happens, so nobody notices. |
| 23:59.47 | kd3 | like it did when dalaran was current, but on a dead server? |
| 23:59.54 | Semlar | is it ethical to spoon-feed someone a script that they can paste into their addon to do what they want but aren't going to understand |
| 23:59.55 | kd3 | ~30 peopleish |
