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| 00:47.08 | Simca_ | there is more than just locale |
| 00:47.21 | Simca_ | there are two sets of flags for every name hash |
| 00:51.49 | Simca_ | one is locale flags and the other is what I call 'content flags' |
| 00:54.38 | Simca_ | x00000080 content flag is for Chinese files and x80000000 is for sound files |
| 00:54.49 | Simca_ | those are the only two currently in use |
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| 01:05.54 | Jamash | wassup peeps |
| 01:06.48 | TC-Work | Many things. |
| 01:07.08 | TC-Work | Your english skills are not one of them. |
| 01:12.02 | Simca_ | also foxlit, if somebody is looping through a filelist, casc.readFile(path, casc.locales.enGB) may not be enough for one main reason - the 'default' locale of 0x0001f3f6 and the language-specific locales (such as enUS at 0x00000202) sometimes both have a file. |
| 01:13.32 | Simca_ | and often, a user may want files from either english locales or the default locale - for example, in extracting the files from Interface\*, the vast majority are 0x0001f3f6, but game strings are 0x00000202 |
| 02:03.27 | Jamash | TC-Work: "Wassup" (A contraction of "what's up", itself a contraction of "what is up") is an inquiry into the current generic state of affairs of the addressee. "Peeps" is a short, informal form of "People", typically used to address a small group of friends or colleagues. Thus, "wassup peeps" is generally equivalent to "What's up, guys?" or "How's it hangin'?" |
| 02:04.13 | TC-Work | Jamash: I know what it means. I still think of that as being on the same level of irregardless. |
| 02:04.39 | Jamash | TC-Work: your face is on the same level of [sic] irregardless |
| 02:05.19 | TC-Work | Jamash: Hardly. It is still better than your English skills. |
| 02:06.34 | Jamash | TC-Work: No, you. |
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| 02:15.10 | Jamash | My English is beyond reproach, your grammar's ugly, like the roach Gregor Samsa awoke surprised to find himself polymorphized into without any warning. Now, hush up; my ice cream's warming while I type this harsh reproach to a fleeting nuisance: TC-Roach. |
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| 03:25.32 | Thunder_Child | Jamash: Did you paraphrase that from a wrap? |
| 03:25.53 | Jamash | Thunder_Child: It's an original composition. |
| 03:26.12 | Thunder_Child | Jamash: Don't quit your day job. |
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| 03:29.58 | Jamash | Thunder_Child: I'll file that tidbit of unsolicited advice under "things I already know". |
| 03:30.49 | Iriel | Jamash: you should find a filing system with block de-duplication then you wouldnât have to file it anywhere. |
| 03:31.02 | Iriel | [For whatever the advice was, since I arrived after it] |
| 03:31.16 | Iriel | [Iâm sure it was awesome, whatever it was, given the source] |
| 03:35.56 | Jamash | Iriel: I deduplicated it by noting that I already knew it and disregarding it. |
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| 03:48.19 | Thunder_Child | Yes Iriel, I am awesome, thank you. |
| 03:49.07 | Thunder_Child | Jamash simply has a linguistic issue. |
| 03:49.26 | Jamash | Yeah, I have a problem talking down to TC's level. |
| 03:50.38 | Thunder_Child | That's because I am so far above Jamash that the curvature of spacetime has allowed that to happen. |
| 03:51.15 | Iriel | Itâs like highschool! |
| 03:51.25 | Iriel | (but with more girls) |
| 03:51.30 | Thunder_Child | ~irc |
| 03:51.30 | purl | from memory, irc is Welcome to IRC, where the men are of reduced skin pigmentation, the women are all above average, and the little girls are FBI agents. Most of the best developers to be found are on irc--only watch your step--this place can be a little rough. |
| 03:51.44 | Thunder_Child | oh...that's new |
| 03:52.16 | Thunder_Child | And done poorly. Should be <response> |
| 03:53.59 | Jamash | Thunder_Child: Yo mama so fat, the squares of the probabilities of her potential world lines sum to more than 1. |
| 03:55.34 | Neffi | greatest conversation ever to grace this channel |
| 03:56.44 | phelps | "where men are men, women are men and children are the FBI" im pretty sure is the most used rendition of that |
| 03:56.50 | Thunder_Child | Neffi: Thats kinda sad. |
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| 03:57.22 | Thunder_Child | phelps: little girls instead of children, but yea. |
| 03:57.45 | Jamash | Sad like the framed velvet clown on TC's wall. |
| 03:58.30 | Thunder_Child | Clown or clown suit? Because a framed velvet clown is super creepy. |
| 03:59.00 | Iriel | Or very angry, or both |
| 04:36.30 | Primer | So I want to be able to use the same AddOns directory for both beta and PTR. Can windows do a symlink on a directory like on *nix? |
| 04:37.34 | Iriel | Really, you couldnât google âwindows symlinkâ first? |
| 04:38.05 | Iriel | (The answer, by the way, is âYesâ - at least on modern windows) |
| 04:39.20 | Primer | Yes, but I didn't actually use the word "symlink", which lead to some misleading stuff |
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| 04:40.03 | kd3|hate`net | they're called junctions in ntfs-land iirc |
| 04:42.27 | Iriel | tries to remember how to play wow. |
| 04:47.10 | smcn | kill shit don't die |
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| 04:49.59 | Primer | hrmm, it'd be so much simpler if I could actually symlink the entire AddOns dir, but I'm not sure if the Blizzard* addons are the same between PTR and beta |
| 04:53.33 | Simca_ | the blizzard* addons are stored internally in the data files |
| 04:54.09 | Simca_ | those directories just contain '.pub' files, which serve some purpose of which I don't know |
| 04:56.00 | Simca_ | also yeah, the command for symlinks is just 'mklink /J LINK_DIR TARGET_DIR' |
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| 06:06.00 | Shirik | d&d night #1: success |
| 06:07.03 | Fisker | Blizzcon night #1? |
| 06:07.04 | Primer | I fucking hate windows so much |
| 06:07.18 | Fisker | Did you try replacing them with wall? |
| 06:07.20 | Primer | It just does everything wrong |
| 06:07.42 | Fisker | Doesn't let light in? |
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| 06:10.13 | Looter | Hi |
| 06:11.58 | Looter | Please tell me, how can I get the value of the abilities damage combat pet? |
| 06:14.22 | Semlar | you might be able to pull it out of the tooltip for the spell |
| 06:15.40 | Semlar | as far as i know there isn't an api function for it |
| 06:16.29 | Looter | using the api I get the tooltip without information about the damage. |
| 06:18.39 | Semlar | i think GetSpellDescription gives you the tooltip without the numbers filled in, but you can create a scanning tooltip to get the same text the player sees when mousing over the spell in game |
| 06:19.27 | Semlar | i'm not sure how reliable it would be since tooltips can contain multiple numbers that aren't necessarily the damage amount |
| 06:21.04 | Looter | the problem is that I need for the calculation of the value of the damage |
| 06:22.23 | Shirik | "An American passenger was booted off a US Airways flight and screened after reportedly joking that he had Ebola and telling the rest of the flyers they were 'screwed.'" |
| 06:24.04 | Looter | Damage can be found on wowhead, but then how calculate the increase in the level of damage? |
| 06:24.33 | Semlar | damage is based on the pet's attack power |
| 06:24.47 | Semlar | i have no idea what the formula is |
| 06:25.01 | Looter | =( |
| 06:25.16 | Semlar | i doubt it should be very difficult to find |
| 06:26.30 | Looter | for two hours doing the search - to no avail ... |
| 06:27.07 | Semlar | use an ability in game, check the base damage of the spell, check how much damage it did and check the pet's power |
| 06:27.34 | Semlar | i would assume the formula is just base damage * some percentage of the attack power |
| 06:28.17 | Looter | I wonder now try |
| 06:29.01 | Semlar | http://hatefulheartwowbp.wordpress.com/tag/ability-damage-formula/ |
| 06:30.21 | Looter | wow! |
| 06:30.26 | Looter | really tnx! |
| 06:31.43 | Dagmar | I draw the line at theorycrafting for Pokemon |
| 06:31.57 | Semlar | tries to calm dagmar down |
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| 06:32.35 | Dagmar | I mean, I used to have pages of calculus scribbled out before I settled on a gear set and rotation, but NC pets? Fuck that |
| 06:32.51 | Dagmar | It's kinda broken at the upper levels anyway |
| 06:34.34 | Semlar | you wish you could handle my elite team of rocket chickens |
| 06:36.39 | Dagmar | No, I wish they'd have slapped whoever it was that decided people playing a game mechanic they know like the back of their hands are leveling too fast so they needed to throw in an arbitrary miss value |
| 06:37.48 | Dagmar | ...meaning they decided people needed to randomly _lose fights_ no matter what. |
| 06:38.05 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 06:38.40 | Dagmar | It is precisely what they did. |
| 06:39.49 | Semlar | so it changes it to a game of chance rather than purely a game of knowing which ability to hit |
| 06:40.12 | Dagmar | Pokemon is, believe it or not, a strategy game. |
| 06:40.27 | Dagmar | It's almost as predictable as chess |
| 06:40.50 | Semlar | so is scrabble but if you don't get a good hand there's nothing you can do about it |
| 06:41.03 | Semlar | does that ruin the game |
| 06:41.12 | Dagmar | Yes, but in scrabble there's not a 15% chance one of the letters will change while you're trying to place it on the board. |
| 06:41.35 | Dagmar | It adds a deliberate _time sink_ |
| 06:41.47 | Semlar | that doesn't sound like blizzard |
| 06:41.54 | Dagmar | Yeah, I know. |
| 06:42.05 | Dagmar | I didn't believe it had been done until I saw it myself |
| 06:42.20 | Dagmar | Usually Blizzard is all about "fuck pointless time sinks" |
| 06:43.28 | Dagmar | Hell, they just baked in Hunter's Mark and some other stuff just because everyone _always_ had a macro to do those things |
| 06:45.10 | Dagmar | The random miss mechanic is something I'd expect of _Nintendo_ |
| 06:45.35 | Dagmar | Like, those mansion games... you _don't_ play them with your girlfriend if she hits |
| 06:45.45 | Dagmar | The outcome is pretty damn random |
| 06:46.20 | Constie | The random miss mechanic will add exciting upsets to pet battle arena matches when Blizzard tries to turn that into the next big eSport. |
| 06:46.31 | Dagmar | See, there I'm sort of okay with it |
| 06:46.42 | Dagmar | For PvP it does make things a little bit more interesting, but... |
| 06:47.04 | Dagmar | When you're trying to level up pets to 25, it just wastes time without adding any fun |
| 06:47.16 | Dagmar | You either know the elemental type weaknesses or you don't. |
| 06:48.14 | Dagmar | If you don't know them, you are _well and truly fucked_ at max pet levels |
| 06:48.42 | Dagmar | If you do know them, you've at least a fighting chance. A _fair_ chance, mostly, cheating trainers with their legendary pets aside |
| 06:49.15 | Dagmar | That difference alone makes it pretty much zero-forgiveness territory |
| 06:50.02 | Dagmar | Some of the guys who play MTG seriously could probably go on and on about that type of battle |
| 06:50.10 | Dagmar | I just did speed runs of Pokemon on a emulator |
| 06:51.33 | Dagmar | I kind of had a more or less lassez-faire attitudes towards type advantages until I was dumb enough to actually go to a PKMN tournament |
| 06:51.49 | Dagmar | A like nine-year old girl, I shit you not, wearing a little pink dress, beat my ass wholesale. |
| 06:52.21 | Dagmar | She knew that stuff back to front |
| 06:53.05 | Constie | What a nerd. |
| 06:53.49 | Dagmar | It didn't help that she literally had a team of pokemon with high cuteness ratings |
| 06:54.18 | Dagmar | Three of my guys were of the naturally OP type |
| 06:55.09 | Dagmar | Memorizing the types of everything basically means, they're going to crush you |
| 06:55.27 | Dagmar | I just knew most of them |
| 06:56.11 | Dagmar | I straight up told the girl's mom she was going to win the thing, and she did |
| 06:56.37 | Dagmar | As an adult gamer it is _very hard_ to keep your mouth entirely G-rated in a fight like that |
| 07:02.16 | Stanzilla | my mouth can't be rated |
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| 08:10.14 | Mr_Rabies | 11 minute shado-pan monastery, dunno why people drop that dungeon |
| 08:10.15 | Mr_Rabies | :p |
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| 08:28.36 | Mr_Rabies | i know the gen 1 types fairly well still, but taht's about it |
| 08:28.45 | Mr_Rabies | welp was scrolled up |
| 08:28.52 | Mr_Rabies | it wasn't that long ago, but still |
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| 10:24.23 | karl_w_w | yeah, I installed my 56k modem last month, it's been like a whole new world |
| 10:24.29 | karl_w_w | woops, was scrolled up |
| 11:35.27 | zenzio | I love how sometimes at work, I'll think of something I want to remember later, so I drop myself a message over IRC. Then I get home, and I'm like "WTF is 'PDF' supposed to mean?" |
| 11:35.38 | zenzio | at some point I need to be more elaborate I guess |
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| 11:44.31 | Simca_ | Dagmar: I guess I am technically the lamest person ever then, since I'm basically the theorycrafter for battle pets |
| 11:44.54 | Simca_ | me and like two others derived all of the formulas for it back in MoP beta |
| 11:52.59 | Constie | I used to do that for Priest spells, but at least all you need to be able to do that is to reach the level cap. |
| 11:55.40 | Simca_ | and nobody else has battle pet spreadsheets like this: http://i.imgur.com/oQEiPJN.png |
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| 12:37.52 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
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| 13:03.08 | Miiru | anybody knows the reasoning behind why different blp formats are able to crash the wow client? |
| 13:06.01 | Miiru | took me an hour to find out which texture it was -.- |
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| 13:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Fisker. We're having cookies for breakfast today. |
| 13:22.11 | Fisker | I'm not having cookies for afternoon snacks :( |
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| 13:36.20 | Lopeppeppy | You should. They are full of vitamins and minerals and chocolates. |
| 14:01.43 | Ackis | I'm working on a multiple user coding project here at work and our version control is to rename the file before you make any changes to it :( |
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| 14:17.18 | Stanzilla | run away |
| 14:19.39 | Ackis | Stanzilla: I'm already working on Sharepoint :( |
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| 15:14.51 | Constie | I want cookies, but I'm making dinner food instead like an idiot. |
| 15:16.35 | nevcairiel | as much as i like cookies, usually I regret having cookies for dinner instead of an actual meal :p |
| 15:36.45 | TC-Work | Ackis: Define multiple people? |
| 15:37.00 | TC-Work | We do the same thing here, but there are only 3 of us that touch it. |
| 15:37.11 | TC-Work | And not very often. |
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| 16:32.17 | foxlit | Simca_: I think the message is that I probably should call it language instead of locales. |
| 16:34.56 | Simca_ | i think the naming system is probably the least important issue brought up by my messages |
| 16:36.48 | foxlit | meh, perspectives. |
| 16:37.07 | foxlit | If I donât call them locales, I donât have to handle english-audio-with-chinese-text, so I donât need to care about content type flags. |
| 16:38.47 | foxlit | and as far as I can tell, there are no overlapping localization forks of a single name hash. |
| 16:40.44 | Simca_ | yes, chinese content and normal content will have the same name hash |
| 16:41.39 | Simca_ | but if you make the chinese language prioritize files with that content flag, i guess you could get away with ignoring them in all other cases |
| 16:42.09 | foxlit | no, I mean the content hash that corresponds to a (language, name hash) pair is always unique. |
| 16:45.04 | foxlit | [so I guess I donât really understand what a âchinsese flagâ that is distinct from the language flags would accomplish.] |
| 16:45.39 | Simca_ | <foxlit> no, I mean the content hash that corresponds to a (language, name hash) pair is always unique. |
| 16:45.43 | Simca_ | that's not a correct statement |
| 16:46.23 | Simca_ | i can provide all the details of several documented overlaps in a minute |
| 16:48.43 | foxlit | that would help; Iâm probably looking at the wrong set of 0s at the moment. |
| 17:00.07 | Simca_ | filename Character\Scourge\Male\ScourgeMale.m2, namehash e69abf2f3dafc6ff, locale flag 0001f3f6, results to contentHash 057af425863b3c36eeef04fcb545b46f |
| 17:00.24 | Simca_ | it has a contentflag of x00000080 |
| 17:00.40 | Constie | Them translating the entire game into Chinese is impressive, assuming it's of similar quality to the French version. |
| 17:01.17 | Simca_ | filename Character\Scourge\Male\ScourgeMale.m2, namehash e69abf2f3dafc6ff, locale flag 0001f3f6, contentflag 0x00000000, results to contentHash 92b282fcd3ef5587e60db94fc1549853 |
| 17:03.25 | Ressy | Remember China has weird issues with bones showing. |
| 17:03.31 | Simca_ | yes this is the result of that |
| 17:03.45 | Constie | Good morning! |
| 17:03.58 | Ressy | Afternoon Constie :) |
| 17:04.05 | Simca_ | there is a duplicate set of CASC data for every file that has visible bones or some other sensitive subject (like graves and blood) |
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| 17:35.16 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/a/USeat sexy metal gear solid Quiet cosplay! |
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| 19:03.11 | foxlit | Simca_: thank you, found those now (different content hashes for e69abf2f3dafc6ff, but thatâs not really that interesting). It seems like 0/8 are the only option that cause collisions for that field. |
| 19:05.03 | TC-Work | karl_w_w: Not enough bulge. |
| 19:05.51 | karl_w_w | knife! |
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| 19:06.58 | foxlit | (while 0x80 also appears in the msb, those at least donât collide.) |
| 19:56.20 | Simca_ | yeah not sure what the point of 0x80 is, might be a flag to show that the data isn't compressed or something (it is present on all .ogg and .mp3 files and nothing else) |
| 19:59.04 | foxlit | Simca_: if I had to guess, there are installations that mix locales of audio and non-audio data |
| 19:59.23 | foxlit | enTW springs to mind. |
| 19:59.25 | Simca_ | ah, probably |
| 19:59.59 | Simca_ | but yeah, like you said, there are no overlaps there, at least right now |
| 20:04.49 | Mr_Rabies | that quiet cosplayer's topless, karl_w_w |
| 20:04.50 | Mr_Rabies | lewd |
| 20:06.01 | Mr_Rabies | oh wait no i guess he does have a bra of sorts, somehow i didn't process that at first glance |
| 20:06.18 | Mr_Rabies | there were a lot of NUDIST BEAAAAACH cosplayers at AWA/DragonCon this year |
| 20:08.21 | Shirik | fisker what did you do |
| 20:08.36 | Fisker | Nothing |
| 20:09.42 | Shirik | http://pastebin.com/ZPcjePUD |
| 20:09.47 | Shirik | remember this TC-Work kd3 |
| 20:10.10 | Shirik | I found the news article.... apparently someone was found dead in my neighbor's house that night |
| 20:10.25 | kd3 | oof |
| 20:10.29 | karl_w_w | that is the bra the character wears Mr_Rabies :P |
| 20:13.47 | foxlit | what did you do, Shirik? |
| 20:14.23 | TC-Work | Shirik: ...I always make sure to not leave dead bodies in my own place. |
| 20:19.36 | TC-Work | Anyone know a way to force a central cert repo for linux? |
| 20:20.19 | znf | Nothing pisses me off more than "We use cookies!" shit that was posted by all the freakin' websites in the world |
| 20:20.27 | znf | Seriously, why the hell? |
| 20:21.11 | foxlit | There should be one thing, though: most of those messages donât have a âwell, donât!â option. |
| 20:22.13 | kd3 | because of some ruling in europe, znf |
| 20:22.22 | znf | Whoever was the fuckin' retard? |
| 20:22.39 | znf | Cookies are a part of the web. That's how shit works. Why do websites have to post a warning? |
| 20:22.49 | znf | What's next?" "We use HTTP"? |
| 20:23.04 | znf | "Our website can see your IP address you're connecting from"? |
| 20:23.06 | foxlit | the intention was âwe track your every moveâ |
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| 20:24.04 | kd3 | http://www.cookielaw.org/the-cookie-law/ |
| 20:26.02 | znf | so if I use google analytics (not no cookies of my own), I have to post that stupid warning? |
| 20:26.14 | znf | Same if I only have a media player on my website and I use a cookie to store the volume? |
| 20:26.19 | znf | That's ridiculous. |
| 20:26.31 | kd3 | welcome to the bureaucracy that is brussels |
| 20:26.39 | jleclanche | znf: no, the latter does not need the cookie warning |
| 20:26.43 | jleclanche | only the former |
| 20:26.47 | Fisker | The intention was making it hard for those to track your interests around the web |
| 20:26.59 | foxlit | http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm#section_2 |
| 20:27.00 | Fisker | not realizing that those who actually did that had already moved away from cookies a long time ago |
| 20:27.10 | znf | shitty legislation |
| 20:27.13 | Fisker | So it mostly just hit people who use cookies for legitimate reasons |
| 20:27.13 | Fisker | :3 |
| 20:27.53 | foxlit | people implementing those warnings in usability-detrimental ways are a bigger problem than the legislation. |
| 20:28.54 | jleclanche | to be clear though, this hits everyone but only because everyone uses analytics |
| 20:29.26 | jleclanche | most non-tracking cookies one would use are exempt |
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| 20:33.43 | foxlit | Fisker: fun fact: the directive doesnât only apply to cookies. |
| 20:33.52 | Fisker | It doesn't? |
| 20:34.16 | znf | localstorage, too |
| 20:34.22 | znf | and flash's local storage |
| 20:34.31 | foxlit | âinformation stored on a user's terminal equipmentâ |
| 20:34.41 | Fisker | ah |
| 20:35.18 | Fisker | But yeah, serious people are tracking people without doing that these days anyway |
| 20:35.42 | Fisker | Would've been fine with just a "no tracking" header or something |
| 20:35.45 | foxlit | how? |
| 20:37.05 | foxlit | (it seems to me that âyou cannot access information stored on a userâs terminal equipment without their explicit consentâ should cover most client-side identification methods, leaving you to parse IPs and URLs in server logs?) |
| 20:39.27 | foxlit | And a legally-enforceable âno trackingâ header would be the death of analytics, because who would opt into that? |
| 20:43.00 | jleclanche | you mean who wouldn't? |
| 20:43.12 | jleclanche | plenty of people wouldn't if it's not shipped as default |
| 20:44.23 | foxlit | Iâm transfering the ârequire explicit consentâ aspect of this legislation to the proposed header. |
| 20:44.52 | Fisker | Well it could just be in the legalese under installation? |
| 20:45.33 | foxlit | the same way your use of cookies canât be in the legalese in your ToS. |
| 20:45.49 | foxlit | (fwiw IE ships with DNT on by default?) |
| 20:46.29 | Fisker | I would argue that installing a program is different from visiting a website |
| 20:47.01 | Fisker | Could just be an extra page saying "bla bla do you want to let us track your stuff" |
| 20:47.04 | Fisker | people still go "next" |
| 20:47.32 | kullervo | hey that reminds me I was watching the Russian propaganda channel some time ago |
| 20:47.58 | kullervo | they'd conducted a test where they had an open WIFI hotspot but people had to accept an agreement before they could use the internet through it |
| 20:48.14 | kullervo | in the text they agreed, among other things, to give their firstborn child to the owners of the WIFI |
| 20:49.01 | kullervo | and I recall the percentage who accepted was above 90% |
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| 21:15.08 | foxlit | so roughly the following API: http://pastebin.com/suhcnsCE ; thoughts? |
| 21:16.17 | foxlit | or maybe dropping the string variants and requiring values from casc.language |
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| 21:17.00 | Neffi | meh. string tokens are fine |
| 21:26.05 | foxlit | Neffi: but! but! :( |
| 21:26.40 | foxlit | having multiple ways to say the same thing is annoying, and âgbâ looks odd. |
| 21:31.13 | zenzelezz | I love how there's so many different ways to specify languages/locales. In one of our projects at work, we speak with three different payment providers, each of them using a different one. So to get them all to speak Norwegian, I have to use "NO", "no_NO" and "nb-no" |
| 21:38.22 | Thunder_Child | It should have been NO, no_NO, hell_NO. |
| 21:39.31 | zenzelezz | they don't have their own language in Hell, just a dialect |
| 21:41.32 | Fisker | Poor Guest3799 |
| 21:41.48 | Semlar | :( |
| 21:41.51 | Guest3799 | growls at stupid stupid stupidity stupidness |
| 21:42.00 | Semlar | tries to calm Guest3799 down |
| 21:42.07 | Guest3799 | hehehe |
| 21:42.43 | Fisker | Did you throw your password away? |
| 21:42.54 | Fisker | Did you try hunter2? |
| 21:43.04 | Guest3799 | screwed it up when I identified, but didn't notice, so then it timed out on me |
| 21:43.25 | Guest3799 | and now it won't let me change to it, says it's 'unavailable' |
| 21:43.27 | Guest3799 | stupid |
| 21:44.22 | Cairenn1 | my own silly fault |
| 21:45.53 | kd3 | ./ns release <nick> <pass> |
| 21:45.53 | Neffi | foxlit: I'd rather say "us" or "enUS" than `somenamespace.languages.us` |
| 21:46.23 | Neffi | Personally I don't get why some software engineers absolutely hate string-based arguments |
| 21:46.32 | Semlar | is there any possibility that your "real zone text" can differ from the rest of the raid's during a boss fight |
| 21:46.50 | Neffi | Semlar: AQ |
| 21:47.08 | Neffi | is at least one example of a raid where members might be in different locations |
| 21:47.18 | kd3 | and probably the brain room for yogg |
| 21:47.18 | Semlar | different zones? |
| 21:47.26 | kd3 | C'Thun has the main room and the stomach |
| 21:47.26 | Neffi | not sure if the zone text differs inside c'thuns stomach or not |
| 21:47.43 | Neffi | but it's not implausible that a boss mechanic might do that |
| 21:48.07 | Semlar | i know the subzone can change but i'm not sure about the zone text |
| 21:48.27 | Semlar | ah well since i'm not sure i'll just do this differently |
| 21:48.41 | Neffi | I can't think of an example, but I'm unsure. |
| 21:48.50 | Neffi | Also it might be good to account for the possibility for future content |
| 21:48.55 | foxlit | Neffi: the former requires me to keep and consult a look-up table; the latter requires you to write more characters :) |
| 21:48.56 | Semlar | i can think of a few different fights that change your phase |
| 21:49.11 | VIad | someone asked if 6.0 is MoP or WoD ^^ |
| 21:49.18 | Semlar | but surely they still consider you to still be in the same instance |
| 21:49.24 | Neffi | foxlit: you implicitly have a lookup table both ways |
| 21:49.24 | foxlit | (âand what if that jerk passes âhell_NOâ instead of a locale?â) |
| 21:49.29 | Neffi | just about exposing it or not |
| 21:50.47 | Semlar | i need to determine which members of the raid are actually in combat with the boss |
| 21:51.01 | Neffi | how would zone factor into that? |
| 21:51.12 | Semlar | everyone in the zone is put into combat with the boss when you engage it |
| 21:51.24 | Neffi | ah, I did not know that. cool |
| 21:51.35 | Neffi | also, I guess threat ables are not useful for this? |
| 21:51.43 | Semlar | i doubt it |
| 21:51.57 | VIad | I remember in vanilla, in raids, bosses put all in combat. |
| 21:52.00 | Neffi | you probably have to perform a thread-inducing action to get put on the table, right? |
| 21:52.03 | VIad | is it like that in MoP raids and such? |
| 21:52.24 | kd3 | that's in all raid instances, since... cata? earlier? |
| 21:52.26 | Semlar | any "encounter" that you can't release from while it's active is going to put the entire zone in combat |
| 21:52.34 | VIad | wasnt like that in vanilla |
| 21:52.39 | VIad | remember AQ was fun to corpserun |
| 21:52.53 | VIad | only to have trash or bosses teleport you in front for instantkilling :D |
| 21:53.00 | kd3 | corpse-running was a technique listed on the website alongside ooc rezzing for a while |
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| 21:53.16 | VIad | "ops body pull" ended up with your runners getting killed, regardless how far away :D |
| 21:53.41 | Neffi | is that how Semlar got his name? ;) |
| 21:53.46 | Semlar | surely not |
| 21:54.13 | VIad | nah |
| 21:54.19 | VIad | his rl name is Ralmes |
| 21:54.27 | VIad | Semlar is just boring at finding a nick |
| 21:54.32 | Semlar | what am i dracula |
| 21:54.40 | Neffi | you mean you're not, Semlar? |
| 21:55.12 | Semlar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semla |
| 21:55.32 | Neffi | you named yourself after a sweetroll? |
| 21:55.39 | Semlar | no this is named afterm e |
| 21:55.48 | Neffi | i see |
| 21:55.50 | VIad | looks unhealthy and tasty as fuck |
| 21:56.09 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 21:57.25 | Thunder_Child | Not the one served with warm milk |
| 22:04.37 | VIad | principles of lust |
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| 22:07.49 | VIad | enigma made softcore porn back in the days |
| 22:34.57 | VIad | 6.0 next week guys - gonna be fun coding some addons :D |
| 22:35.35 | nevcairiel | you do realize we had 6.0 available for coding addons for months now. |
| 22:36.31 | Thunder_Child | Shut yo mouth. |
| 22:36.42 | nevcairiel | so rude :( |
| 22:39.44 | Thunder_Child | Yes. But not because of that. |
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| 22:45.43 | foxlit | why then, Thunder_Child? |
| 22:46.43 | Thunder_Child | Other instances foxlit. |
| 22:48.45 | foxlit | Is there some reason you feel the need to be impolite at random people? |
| 22:49.12 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel is hardly random. That being said, yes. |
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| 23:09.26 | foxlit | Simca_: do you know why thereâs essentially junk at the end of the casc cdn index files? |
| 23:11.41 | foxlit | usually I can just drop the last 4k sector, but thereâs one index (16a2401688fd8e2818c1c70bbe892089) where itâs longer than that. |
| 23:12.35 | Simca_ | it isn't completely junk but it is trivial information |
| 23:12.55 | Simca_ | it contains some stuff such as the number of entries |
| 23:13.09 | Simca_ | it's just numbers describing the index |
| 23:13.26 | foxlit | 5kb of just numbers is a little much. |
| 23:13.37 | Simca_ | the one index that is huge uses a very different structure |
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| 23:14.51 | Simca_ | standard index structure is 16 bytes md5, 4 bytes size, 4 bytes position |
| 23:15.16 | Simca_ | the huge index is all .index files for that build combined together |
| 23:16.03 | Simca_ | the structure is 16 bytes MD5, 4 bytes size, 2 bytes archive number, 4 bytes position |
| 23:16.39 | Simca_ | where archive number is a number corresponding to the archive containing the file, as if you took the field 'archives' from the cdn config and put it into an array |
| 23:17.01 | Simca_ | so archive number 0 is the first archive in the cdn config, 1 is the second archive in the cdn config, etc |
| 23:18.13 | VIad | yes nevcairiel but lazy :p |
| 23:18.43 | foxlit | how huge is huge? |
| 23:19.11 | VIad | math.inf |
| 23:19.14 | Simca_ | normal index files are under 1 MB. the merged index (listed in cdn config as 'archive-group') is 17 MB+ |
| 23:19.26 | Simca_ | soo, pretty big comparitively |
| 23:19.32 | foxlit | then itâs not what I had in mind; this is just 800kb |
| 23:19.49 | foxlit | (and the ârecordâ size seems to be 24, not 26 bytes.) |
| 23:26.02 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.59 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:35.35 | foxlit | ⦠turns out I have no spreadsheet software installed. |
| 23:35.53 | kullervo | foxlit: gogo google docs |
| 23:35.56 | Simca_ | archive-group is an index only |
| 23:44.35 | foxlit | okay, so the last chunk is 28 + 24*(sectors) bytes. |
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