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| 00:55.04 | Shirik | there is a police officer outside my house |
| 00:55.08 | Shirik | Fisker: what did you do this time |
| 00:56.57 | kd3|hate`net | if you get swatted, turn on your cam |
| 00:59.17 | Shirik | I actually was about to start streaming :P |
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| 01:05.50 | Dagmar | Sounds like now would be a good time to start... because... witnesses |
| 01:07.21 | znf | make sure you stream in HD |
| 01:07.25 | znf | so we can recognize faces |
| 01:14.48 | Dagmar | Nothing makes a corrupt cop more angry than 1080p recordings scattered all over the globe |
| 01:15.30 | TC-Work | Shirik: Does Fisker live with you? Because that is the only way I can interpret your comments. |
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| 01:16.47 | Shirik | I think kd3's response made sense |
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| 01:34.20 | znf | TC-Work, Fisker lives with everyone. In spirit. |
| 01:34.39 | Stanzilla | amen |
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| 02:44.34 | ccox | best quest title of WoD: "Step Three: Prophet!" |
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| 04:33.41 | Primer | Yesterday while working on one of my addons in the beta, I ran into a lua error that I wish I had saved. I'm pretty sure it was because UnitPosition(unit) was returning null |
| 04:34.02 | Primer | Anyone have any experience with UnitPosition and it not returning anything? |
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| 04:38.13 | Iriel | My guessi s thatâs what itâd return if the specified unit canât be positionated |
| 04:38.14 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 04:38.22 | Iriel | But thatâs a wild ass guess |
| 04:38.33 | Primer | thing is, everything was fine until I timed out |
| 04:38.38 | Primer | went /away via time out |
| 04:39.54 | Primer | once I moved, everything came back |
| 04:39.58 | Mr_Rabies | man i love jontron so much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDirMLs9SPg uh, nsfw for loud language, i guess? |
| 04:40.19 | Mr_Rabies | ah sorry to accidentally interrupt an actual on-topic conversation |
| 04:40.22 | Primer | I can't find any docs or anecdotal usage of UnitPosition() |
| 04:40.27 | Mr_Rabies | so used to it being offtopic nowadays :p |
| 04:42.51 | Semlar | it shouldn't be possible for UnitPosition to return nil unless you call it on an invalid unit |
| 04:44.00 | Semlar | valid units are players in your group that are in the same instance as you |
| 04:45.15 | Semlar | i'm not actually positive if it has a restriction on instance, i'd have to confirm that |
| 04:48.29 | Semlar | it sure as hell shouldn't return nil for the player |
| 04:48.52 | Semlar | maybe if you're zoning |
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| 05:43.09 | pompy1 | apparently they issued a tornado warning here :o |
| 05:44.05 | Sintacks | we had one too |
| 05:46.25 | pompy1 | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=886555094697337 |
| 05:46.27 | pompy1 | >< |
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| 06:04.02 | pompy1 | 1:56 AM EDT: Tornado warning will be allowed to expire at 2AM as rotation has moved off shore. |
| 06:04.04 | pompy1 | phew |
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| 08:13.49 | Mr_Rabies | man some 1v2 outside the dark portal |
| 08:13.50 | Mr_Rabies | that takes me back |
| 08:16.01 | Mr_Rabies | almost took em a few times but both resort to cheap tactics |
| 08:16.17 | Mr_Rabies | took one each almost every time, almost killed the other |
| 08:29.00 | karl_w_w | 90% of people who 'world pvp |
| 08:29.09 | karl_w_w | that was an enter instead of a ; |
| 08:29.15 | karl_w_w | s/;/'/ |
| 08:29.32 | karl_w_w | 90% of people who 'world pvp' are terrible at pvp |
| 08:31.50 | harl | mojn |
| 08:35.37 | karl_w_w | TIL: keyboards are supposed to have a return and an enter key |
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| 08:39.24 | haste | are there actually any applications that treat them differently? |
| 08:39.52 | karl_w_w | probably not any more |
| 08:40.31 | karl_w_w | apparently on macs photoshop does a new line with return and ends editing mode |
| 08:41.26 | karl_w_w | with enter |
| 08:59.53 | Mr_Rabies | i mean |
| 08:59.55 | Mr_Rabies | i'm terrible at pvp, too |
| 09:00.09 | Mr_Rabies | but it was fun doing some old school world pvp in raid gear outside the dark portal |
| 09:00.19 | Mr_Rabies | even though they were trying to bait lowbies into flagging to gank them |
| 09:00.28 | Mr_Rabies | that in and of itself is nostalgic |
| 09:01.16 | Mr_Rabies | i don't much care for arenas, and no one does rbgs on my realm |
| 09:01.38 | Mr_Rabies | arenas are just way too unbalanced with such small team sizes |
| 09:02.40 | Mr_Rabies | but larger team sizes in an objectiveless tiny arena with little skill required in connecting with your target would just mean healers get globaled |
| 09:03.49 | Mr_Rabies | so i just don't bother with them :p |
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| 09:32.21 | Constie | Starbound treated them differently in earlier betas, at least. You could send chat messages with return but not enter. |
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| 09:42.29 | nevcairiel | good news foxlit, your casc module works after I fixed up my lua install |
| 09:44.15 | nevcairiel | and having a build-in dbc parser is super useful, too! |
| 09:44.18 | nevcairiel | rewrites his scripts |
| 10:03.20 | mitch0 | casc? dbc? |
| 10:08.13 | Maldivia | casc = new file format used in wow6 and heroes of the storm, dbc = the internal "database" files used in wow |
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| 10:28.17 | tlund | when mousing over someone getting an achivement in chat, I get the following error, and I am having some problem trying to follow it, and understand where the problem really happens? http://pastebin.com/pZvXisZx |
| 10:46.21 | tlund | ah. the error persists without outfitter loaded: http://pastebin.com/FA3XX0NX :) |
| 10:48.02 | nevcairiel | tiptac probably then |
| 10:48.05 | nevcairiel | GetAchievementCrieriaInfo was changed in 5.0 |
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| 10:50.47 | nevcairiel | tiptac seems to still be updated though, did you update your addons before starting to fix them manually? :D |
| 10:55.04 | Constie | I've never gotten that error with TipTac, but I'm also not sure when the last time I moused over an achievement announcement was. |
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| 12:05.19 | VIad | uigh. randomly got swifty and some other wow personas on my "what to watch" list, missclicked one and got a dude twitch streaming and worst part is the potty mouth, ugh... and people watch that? |
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| 12:32.25 | Lopeppeppy | Bonjour, bonjour mes amis! |
| 12:34.30 | Constie | I think that should be "premier" in http://cdn.eso.mmoui.com/storage/news/newsbox-minion-esobeta.png. |
| 12:42.20 | Miiru | bonjour mr.peppy, comment ca va? |
| 12:57.57 | Lopeppeppy | m'zelle! |
| 12:59.44 | VIad | Constie: I dig the idea, but is it normal that the program gives me a ton of empty warning message boxes at launch? |
| 13:00.07 | Constie | Wrong person? |
| 13:01.27 | VIad | obviously - why would someone ever ask you something? |
| 13:01.32 | VIad | *end of weird joke* |
| 13:01.51 | Constie | Poor judgement. |
| 13:02.29 | VIad | in any case, was a bit odd that no one else mentions it so might be just me :p |
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| 13:15.50 | Miiru | oh pardon ;) |
| 13:19.52 | vlakarados | Guys, suggest me please a batch png->tga converter that will output tga that will not crash wow :( |
| 13:20.39 | mitch0 | for i in *.png ; do convert $i $i{%.png}.tga; done |
| 13:21.29 | mitch0 | (bit more verbose if you want to use spaces in your filenames for some weird reason) |
| 13:24.12 | Miiru | tga crashing wow? |
| 13:25.09 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/03vZim9.jpg 0.02% of pure torture |
| 13:25.33 | Miiru | what is that? eurotrucksimulator? |
| 13:26.30 | karl_w_w | yeah Miiru |
| 13:26.38 | karl_w_w | and i just found a bit of grey road :D |
| 13:26.45 | karl_w_w | probably wont be enough though |
| 13:28.04 | vlakarados | @Miiru yes, the ones converted with XnConvert :( |
| 13:28.37 | vlakarados | @mitch0 haha! |
| 13:28.42 | vlakarados | but seriously |
| 13:28.57 | vlakarados | I think it's because it outputs non 32bit ones |
| 13:29.22 | Miiru | cant say much bout tga's im working with blp's |
| 13:30.22 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
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| 13:31.19 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning Fiskerdin. |
| 13:31.53 | vlakarados | Miiru: are blp's used the same way as tga? |
| 13:32.29 | Constie | IrfanView can batch convert to TGA. |
| 13:32.54 | Fisker | I wish Lopeppeppy |
| 13:33.01 | Miiru | as far as i know theres no big difference if you use tga or .blp |
| 13:33.15 | Lopeppeppy | You are Fisker, and I decree that this is a good day. Because I am Peppy. |
| 13:33.21 | Fisker | \o/ |
| 13:33.25 | Fisker | g'day Lopeppeppy |
| 13:33.38 | Lopeppeppy | By our powers combined, we are Captain Planet. |
| 13:34.14 | Fisker | yay |
| 13:36.14 | Lopeppeppy | We rock. |
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| 13:45.14 | Torhal | Don Cheadle's version, Lopeppeppy? |
| 13:45.26 | Lopeppeppy | He makes rocks? |
| 13:46.02 | Torhal | Captain Planet. |
| 13:48.12 | mitch0 | vlakarados: ? |
| 13:51.00 | vlakarados | @mitch0 not on osx currently :) |
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| 13:51.57 | mitch0 | osx? pff |
| 13:53.55 | Torhal | Miiru: SetPortraitToTexture requires BLP. |
| 13:54.02 | Torhal | That's the only hard case I'm aware of. |
| 13:54.28 | Miiru | ah that is interesting to know |
| 13:57.33 | vlakarados | I found that this is really tiny, no install and works like a charm: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/tools-560/blp-lab-v0-5-0-a-137599/ |
| 13:58.05 | vlakarados | supports all kinds of formats |
| 13:58.10 | vlakarados | input and output |
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| 14:23.53 | VIad | why not just use png? |
| 14:23.59 | VIad | high quality low filesizes |
| 14:24.06 | VIad | blp so 1999 |
| 14:25.41 | Miiru | png in wow? |
| 14:25.50 | VIad | yeah |
| 14:25.53 | VIad | would be nice upgrade |
| 14:25.56 | Miiru | how so? |
| 14:25.57 | Miiru | ah |
| 14:25.58 | Miiru | :D |
| 14:26.03 | Miiru | you're dreaming^ |
| 14:26.08 | VIad | I am |
| 14:26.27 | VIad | like, blp is fine but lame to convert between that and png/tga |
| 14:26.38 | VIad | then you have tga, huge files, but natively supported just like blp |
| 14:26.47 | VIad | png would be nice, has same features as blp/tga |
| 14:27.06 | Miiru | there is a plugin for photoshop on wowinterface which works pretty good |
| 14:27.30 | Miiru | found that today, finally no more converting files |
| 14:28.19 | Miiru | hah i search for casc creator and my first result is some lego house presentation video |
| 14:31.16 | nevcairiel | VIad: blp has more features than png, extra compression etc |
| 14:32.23 | VIad | but.. but.. why not also support png? |
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| 15:52.56 | runge | is there a way to highlight text in a input in the options view? I have a addon where I print out some text for the user to copy and paste and it would be convenient if the text is already selected/highlighted |
| 15:53.49 | nevcairiel | there is an API to select the text, just need to call it on the options box |
| 15:54.26 | Constie | Being HighlightText(). |
| 15:58.33 | runge | yeah that is where I am stuck. http://pastebin.com/fJ9Y3eGz there does not seem to be a OnCreate function where I can do something like self.editBox:HighlightText(); |
| 15:58.53 | runge | just a Get and a Set |
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| 16:35.47 | Shirik | well that's a new one |
| 16:35.50 | Shirik | I just found a bug in google maps |
| 16:41.44 | Neffi | details? |
| 16:45.53 | Shirik | so if you right click, you can use this "measure" functionality |
| 16:45.58 | Shirik | I was using it to figure out how long a trail was |
| 16:46.17 | Shirik | I noticed there were some tagged pictures along it so I figured I would take a look to understand what the trail was |
| 16:46.33 | Shirik | apparently if you click on those pictures, it sends a new measurement point out to 0,0 |
| 16:46.50 | Neffi | well that's not right |
| 16:46.50 | Shirik | which added a nice 5000 miles to my measurement |
| 16:52.27 | TC-Work | Hell of a hike. |
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| 17:18.37 | Fisker | help me Shirik |
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| 17:21.44 | karl_w_w | Fisker, what is this madness |
| 17:22.11 | karl_w_w | amaz says he needs sleep for his flight |
| 17:22.25 | karl_w_w | what are long flights for if not sleeping? |
| 17:26.08 | Fisker | I'd use them for masturbating karl_w_w |
| 17:28.28 | mitchnull | hrmp. the beta updater is stuck at "Fetching encoding tables" :( |
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| 17:41.55 | Fisker | I was so in love with my hand karl_w_w |
| 17:42.08 | Fisker | Turn 1 undertaker into turn 2 coin 3 deathrattles :D |
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| 17:45.42 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://pastebin.com || 5.4.x ToC: 50400 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || WoD beta access! WoWI: http://bit.ly/1smb4qM or Curse: http://goo.gl/eVsdYQ || BC UI Community Dinner Sign Up: http://bit.ly/1pqdONd || Happy Birthday |Jelly|! | "I was so in love with my hand" ~ Fisker |
| 17:45.55 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://pastebin.com || 5.4.x ToC: 50400 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || WoD beta access! WoWI: http://bit.ly/1smb4qM or Curse: http://goo.gl/eVsdYQ || BC UI Community Dinner Sign Up: http://bit.ly/1pqdONd || Happy Birthday |Jelly|! || "I was so in love with my hand" ~ Fisker |
| 17:46.39 | hizuro | lool |
| 17:46.56 | TC-Work | WTF Shirik, you can't do only a part of the quote. |
| 17:47.09 | Simca_ | sure you can |
| 17:47.23 | Simca_ | omission isn't lying |
| 17:47.28 | TC-Work | not without [...] or whatever, then it is not a quote. |
| 17:47.28 | hizuro | hehe |
| 17:49.06 | hizuro | hmm... how i can get a hostname cloak starting with WoWUIDev? |
| 17:49.20 | Shirik | @ Cairenn1 ^ |
| 17:50.01 | hizuro | human or bot? |
| 17:51.06 | hizuro | ... |
| 17:51.36 | Shirik | Cairenn1 is definitely a real person |
| 17:51.43 | Shirik | and probably asleep even though she never sleeps |
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| 17:52.47 | hizuro | looks like away... "I'm not here right now" |
| 18:11.51 | Cairenn1 | Shirik: or do I? |
| 18:15.23 | Fisker | I heard people sometimes sleep |
| 18:24.04 | Neffi | [citation needed] |
| 18:24.13 | jnwhiteh | android phones under 4" screens, go! |
| 18:24.26 | TC-Work | No |
| 18:24.55 | TC-Work | Even Apple doesn't think that is a good idea anymore. |
| 18:26.05 | Neffi | Under 4? I thought the S4 Mini I just fixed was small, and the spec sheet says 4.3" |
| 18:26.15 | Neffi | (also the S4 mini is terrible. do not buy) |
| 18:27.22 | nevcairiel | the samsung galaxy ace 4 is 3.5", but its also pretty low on specs |
| 18:27.43 | jnwhiteh | wah =( |
| 18:27.44 | nevcairiel | hm wait, looks like the 4 is actually bigger |
| 18:27.48 | jnwhiteh | WHY |
| 18:27.50 | jnwhiteh | why are they so big |
| 18:27.54 | jnwhiteh | I want a phone, not a phablet =( |
| 18:28.03 | Neffi | My dad has a lower-end Samsung. It's a royal piece of shit. |
| 18:28.11 | TC-Work | Because eyesight. |
| 18:28.13 | TC-Work | and specs |
| 18:28.14 | nevcairiel | 4.3-4.5" seems to be common |
| 18:28.18 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: what are you going to be using the phone for primarily? |
| 18:28.21 | Neffi | I've dealt with several Samsung phones. Unless you're getting one of their high-end phones, do NOT give Samsung money |
| 18:28.31 | Neffi | Every other phone they make is absolutely terrible |
| 18:28.35 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: the same thing I used my HTC Hero for =( |
| 18:28.47 | nevcairiel | a paper weight? |
| 18:29.48 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: what I'm getting at is if your primary use will be surfing the web/etc. you may want to consider a larger screen, whereas if you'll be using it for phone calls 90% of the time then get a flip phone :D |
| 18:30.22 | TC-Work | Or a BT headset. |
| 18:32.30 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: but I know what I don't want in my pocket |
| 18:32.40 | jnwhiteh | I'm capable of browsing the web just fine on a smaller device |
| 18:32.40 | TC-Work | Belt? |
| 18:32.46 | jnwhiteh | I'm not sure why everyone else is convinced otherwise =/ |
| 18:33.20 | TC-Work | Because smaller phones are dying out. |
| 18:34.10 | Fisker | Might want to look into a z3 compact jnwhiteh |
| 18:34.30 | Fisker | You're not going to find android below <4 inch without being severely shit |
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| 19:13.12 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: honestly, I moved from iphone to Galaxy S5 saying "omg I don't need something this big" |
| 19:13.26 | Shirik | and now I have both because I still use an iphone for work, and every time I look at my work phone I go "how the hell am I supposed to read this" |
| 19:13.48 | Fisker | Poor blind Shirik |
| 19:13.54 | Shirik | it's like one of those things where you don't know how good it is until you try it |
| 19:14.08 | Fisker | Come to Blizzcon I got glasses for you |
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| 19:33.14 | kd3 | alright, got quassel using a pgsql backend. hopefully this is less twitchy than sqlite when the database gets huge |
| 19:33.38 | nevcairiel | workjs much better |
| 19:33.48 | nevcairiel | sqlite just doesnt scale well |
| 19:36.33 | haste | it should be fine for IRC tho' |
| 19:36.48 | haste | depending on the definition of huge ofc |
| 19:36.57 | nevcairiel | nah, it gets slow on initial connect |
| 19:36.59 | haste | largest sqlite database I work with is like 800M |
| 19:37.22 | kd3 | it got too slow, was timing out trying to connect to my poor pi |
| 19:37.41 | nevcairiel | well the pi isnt known for its s peed |
| 19:37.49 | haste | ah, pi might explain it :P |
| 19:38.05 | nevcairiel | although psql isnt going to work any better on the pi due to lack of ram |
| 19:39.28 | haste | psql lets you move the db away from the pi tho' |
| 19:39.46 | haste | or onto a beowulf cluster of pis! |
| 19:39.54 | nevcairiel | if you have two boxes running, might as well throw the quassel core onto the other one |
| 19:40.22 | kd3 | my pi's the only thing I leave running 24/7, that's why I got one |
| 19:40.35 | nevcairiel | i have a actual internet server |
| 19:40.49 | haste | same |
| 19:41.09 | nevcairiel | too bad quassels user management is practically non-existant, otherwise it would be super easy to just hand out accounts to my quassel core |
| 19:41.29 | haste | it... awaits your patch |
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| 19:46.32 | Shirik | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHLwtr7IVzk |
| 19:47.18 | nevcairiel | i'm suspicious of videos with cyrillic titles |
| 19:49.09 | Neffi | Shirik: wtf am i watching O.o |
| 19:49.18 | Shirik | exactly |
| 19:54.02 | Shirik | I didn't know I could reconfigure quassel to use a "real" database, kd3 why didn't you tell me this earlier |
| 19:54.21 | kd3 | http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/1/wiki/PostgreSQL |
| 19:55.50 | Shirik | wow that's kinda easy |
| 19:55.58 | Shirik | except that I don't have a pgsql server I have a mysql server |
| 19:55.59 | nevcairiel | yeah it has migration scripts built in |
| 19:56.10 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you said real database, so mysql doesnt count |
| 19:56.14 | Shirik | :< |
| 19:56.29 | nevcairiel | but yeah, no mysql support |
| 19:56.51 | nevcairiel | there was a patch once, but it was somewhat broken and the author didnt care to fix it, so it just rots in some binary grave somewhere |
| 19:57.28 | nevcairiel | no idea how mysql performance was |
| 20:00.58 | kd3 | oh wow, google nipped a whole bunch of websites in the bud... https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+my+ip |
| 20:02.27 | Neffi | ping me when they replace wolfram alpha |
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| 20:13.23 | Simca_ | that seems very unlikely, Neffi |
| 20:15.23 | Arrowmaster | they cant replace moanmyip |
| 20:18.18 | Neffi | why does this exist |
| 20:20.15 | TC-Work | Why not? |
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| 20:22.49 | Neffi | good point |
| 20:24.09 | mikma | function anchor:COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED(event, _, minievent, hideCaster, guidsource, source, sourceflags, sourceflags2, guidtarget, target, targetflags, targetflags2, ...) |
| 20:24.12 | mikma | local class = select(2,GetPlayerInfoByGUID(guidsource)) |
| 20:24.14 | mikma | Message: Interface\AddOns\Estimator\Estimator.lua:26: Usage: GetPlayerInfoByGUID("playerGUID") |
| 20:24.17 | mikma | WAT |
| 20:25.00 | Neffi | maybe your arguments are wrong, so it's not a guid you're passing |
| 20:25.38 | mikma | some kind of "minievent" must not broadcast the guid |
| 20:25.53 | Neffi | that too is a possiblity, probably |
| 20:27.13 | mikma | lol? mage ignite is learned at level "99" according to API |
| 20:27.59 | Semlar | GetPlayInfoByGUID has to have a player guid |
| 20:28.13 | Semlar | GetPlayerInfoByGUID* |
| 20:28.16 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=12654 |
| 20:28.22 | mikma | "Requires level 99" |
| 20:28.48 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=12846 |
| 20:28.52 | Semlar | bro do you even wowhead |
| 20:29.21 | mikma | semlar: the spell i linked is the spell that's in game |
| 20:29.49 | Semlar | the damage effect isn't the one that's learned |
| 20:33.10 | mikma | i have no idea how can i detect what's causing the GUID error |
| 20:33.16 | Semlar | print the guid |
| 20:33.43 | mikma | yeah, but it's a horrible flood atm |
| 20:34.00 | Semlar | you're not giving it a player's GUID, so either it's a wrong argument or the guid of something that isn't a player |
| 20:34.16 | mikma | but.. but...... |
| 20:34.53 | mikma | damn pastebin is slow |
| 20:35.21 | mikma | semlar: http://pastebin.com/LqX9fjrr |
| 20:35.22 | nevcairiel | use hastebin, with extra haste |
| 20:35.28 | mikma | hah |
| 20:35.36 | nevcairiel | (its actually a thing) |
| 20:35.40 | haste | that extra haste really helps |
| 20:35.50 | mikma | semlar: checksourceflags should cover that, but something goes by it |
| 20:36.09 | mikma | oh i know, another table full of guid's |
| 20:36.27 | Semlar | how would checksourceflags determine that the unit is a player |
| 20:36.45 | nevcairiel | the flags tell you |
| 20:36.51 | nevcairiel | if the flags are actually right that he picked |
| 20:36.53 | Semlar | that's not what that function does |
| 20:36.59 | Semlar | HOSTILEUNITFLAG? |
| 20:37.37 | nevcairiel | it checks if the flags contain 0x548, i would have to lookup if that means something useful |
| 20:37.40 | mikma | local HOSTILEUNITFLAG = 0x548 |
| 20:37.45 | Semlar | and regardless, i wouldn't check the FLAGS to determine what the guid is |
| 20:37.52 | mikma | 0x548 should be hostile player |
| 20:38.01 | Semlar | you need to make sure the GUID exists and is a player |
| 20:38.04 | nevcairiel | arent there pre-defined constants for such things |
| 20:38.13 | Semlar | one of the values in the GUID tells you that it's a player |
| 20:38.29 | nevcairiel | it wouldnt really throw that error if its just a npc guid |
| 20:38.35 | nevcairiel | probably its nil |
| 20:38.50 | Semlar | are you sure it wouldn't throw an error on a non-player GUID |
| 20:38.50 | Neffi | you could just be lazy and pcall it |
| 20:38.58 | nevcairiel | ~lart Neffi |
| 20:38.58 | purl | hits Neffi with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 20:39.02 | nevcairiel | thats never the right answer |
| 20:39.03 | Neffi | :( |
| 20:39.08 | Neffi | oh, ok |
| 20:39.38 | mikma | here we go |
| 20:39.48 | Semlar | you know you can get the actual level of the player from their GUID |
| 20:39.50 | mikma | COMBATLOG_OBJECT_TYPE_PLAYER 0x 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 |
| 20:39.51 | Semlar | you don't need to estimate anything |
| 20:40.00 | mikma | COMBATLOG_OBJECT_CONTROL_PLAYER 0x 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 |
| 20:40.08 | mikma | COMBATLOG_OBJECT_REACTION_HOSTILE 0x 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 |
| 20:40.12 | nevcairiel | Semlar: i checked, using a npc guid just results in a nil return, no error |
| 20:40.24 | Semlar | then he's not giving it a string |
| 20:40.24 | mikma | COMBATLOG_OBJECT_AFFILIATION_OUTSIDER 0x 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 |
| 20:40.36 | nevcairiel | yeah its probably just nil |
| 20:40.54 | mikma | those combined are type player, control player, reaction hostile and affliation outsider. |
| 20:41.30 | Semlar | so check that guidsource actually exists |
| 20:41.51 | Semlar | which you really should be doing anyway |
| 20:42.02 | Semlar | since you're looking up source in a table and that's undoubtedly nil too |
| 20:42.10 | mikma | i was before, but it still popped out the error |
| 20:42.21 | mikma | it was something it was not supposed to be |
| 20:42.29 | mikma | it "existed" but it wasn't a valid guid |
| 20:42.33 | Semlar | so your arguments are off? |
| 20:42.42 | mikma | they should not be off |
| 20:42.49 | mikma | http://wowpedia.org/COMBAT_LOG_EVENT |
| 20:42.51 | Semlar | print them |
| 20:43.00 | mikma | 4th param = sourceGUID |
| 20:43.23 | Semlar | or even just print "minievent" |
| 20:43.24 | mikma | hmm |
| 20:43.46 | mikma | i just made the addon to catch all guids and put them into another table |
| 20:44.04 | nevcairiel | if the arguments are wrong, it would error everytime, i guess it only happened randomly? |
| 20:44.27 | mikma | 0x04000000067A7F25 = true |
| 20:44.36 | mikma | nevcairiel: pretty randomly |
| 20:44.59 | mikma | most of the time it works perfectly, but every now and then i get that error |
| 20:45.05 | Semlar | what's the point of giving "event" as an argument to the event handler |
| 20:45.15 | Semlar | you know what event it is, it's the name of the function |
| 20:45.24 | mikma | no reason at all |
| 20:45.28 | nevcairiel | sometimes you use the same function for two events |
| 20:45.41 | nevcairiel | its the common pattern to do it this way :p |
| 20:45.50 | Semlar | i have never passed event as an argument in my event handler |
| 20:46.00 | mikma | function anchor:COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED(_, _, minievent, _, guidsource, source, sourceflags, sourceflagsraid, guidtarget, target, targetflags, targetflagsraid, ...) |
| 20:46.02 | Semlar | and it has never come up as something i would need to use |
| 20:46.04 | mikma | this goes just as fine |
| 20:46.16 | nevcairiel | you probably dont even know our common patterns, since you do weird addons! |
| 20:46.32 | mikma | ouch man |
| 20:46.59 | nevcairiel | not you, Semlar :P |
| 20:47.01 | mikma | can i use two SavedVariables in my .toc |
| 20:47.05 | Simca_ | it's pretty common in addons that parse chat or the combat log to use one function for many events |
| 20:47.05 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 20:47.09 | mikma | nevcairiel: i know, but still ouch man |
| 20:47.23 | kd3 | ## SavedVariables: var1, var2 |
| 20:49.42 | Semlar | if nil is the only thing GetPlayerInfoByGUID throws an error for then all you have to do is check that guidsource exists |
| 20:50.14 | mikma | Message: Interface\AddOns\Estimator\Estimator.lua:26: Usage: GetPlayerInfoByGUID("playerGUID") |
| 20:50.23 | mikma | ain't nil, the api just doesn't understand it |
| 20:50.30 | Semlar | did you add a print? |
| 20:50.52 | mikma | negative, i added code to capture all "guid's" and put them in the SV |
| 20:51.31 | Semlar | doesn't the message tell you what the variables were |
| 20:51.40 | mikma | nope :( |
| 20:51.52 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure the traceback is supposed to do that |
| 20:52.08 | mikma | Locals: (*temporary) = "" |
| 20:52.20 | mikma | that's the only thing after the error messages |
| 20:53.39 | mikma | now all i need is horde "raid" on the celes |
| 20:53.42 | Semlar | what's your code right now |
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| 20:54.59 | mikma | http://pastebin.com/JV7W9ymW |
| 20:55.36 | Semlar | why is it saying line 26 is the error |
| 20:55.49 | mikma | cause it's the old version of the code/error |
| 20:56.02 | mikma | line 24 in that paste is the correct line that does the error |
| 20:57.16 | Semlar | you need to change "if checksourceflags" to "if guidsource and checksourceflags" at least |
| 20:57.37 | Semlar | because you know the code will break if it's nil anyway |
| 20:57.43 | mikma | but that still won't solve the problem because the guidsource exists |
| 20:57.49 | Semlar | you say that |
| 20:57.49 | mikma | but it's something wrong |
| 20:58.03 | Semlar | but i don't see any proof that you know the guidsource isn't nil |
| 20:59.00 | mikma | ./spew GetPlayerInfoByGUID(tits) |
| 20:59.07 | mikma | Message: [string "Spew("GetPlayerInfoByGUID(tits)", GetPlayer..."]:1: Usage: GetPlayerInfoByGUID("playerGUID") |
| 21:00.29 | mikma | well, |
| 21:01.02 | mikma | same happens with everything :P |
| 21:01.04 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ-rV8pCAsA this is awesome, I completely lost it at the swings |
| 21:01.21 | Semlar | i don't know what you're trying to say mikma |
| 21:01.41 | Semlar | you're passing nil to the function and it's throwing that error |
| 21:01.48 | mikma | semlar: nothing actually, everything i try with that api results the same error |
| 21:01.56 | Semlar | because you're giving it NIL |
| 21:02.08 | mikma | semlar: no matter what i give it, it's always the same error |
| 21:02.12 | mikma | karl_w_w: time? |
| 21:02.14 | Semlar | unless TITS is a fucking variable you've defined somewhere |
| 21:02.18 | Semlar | it's not a value |
| 21:05.15 | Neffi | mikma: does this work? /spew GetPlayedInfoByGUID(UnitGUID'player') ? |
| 21:05.26 | Semlar | player |
| 21:05.31 | Neffi | s/edI/erI/ |
| 21:06.26 | mikma | neffi: aye. "Monk","MONK","Gnome","Gnome",3,"Puudeli" :) |
| 21:06.50 | Semlar | until he adds a nil check to the code and continues to get the error i wouldn't even investigate other possibilities |
| 21:07.10 | plaw | well Mr Jones is excited for Blizzcon https://twitter.com/ManMadeMoon/status/519956855980691457 |
| 21:07.10 | Neffi | gnome? |
| 21:07.13 | Neffi | punts mikma |
| 21:07.14 | Neffi | ;) |
| 21:07.20 | mikma | neffi: ofc! |
| 21:08.04 | mikma | neffi: gnome mage, gnome priest, gnome rogue, gnome monk :D |
| 21:08.32 | Neffi | I want to kill you so hard |
| 21:08.39 | karl_w_w | 20 minutes mikma |
| 21:08.41 | Neffi | <- undead rogue |
| 21:09.01 | TC-Work | As opposed to killing him so flacid? |
| 21:09.12 | TC-Work | flaccid( |
| 21:09.13 | TC-Work | * |
| 21:09.26 | Neffi | fail, TC-Work |
| 21:09.38 | TC-Work | Yes, but my point still stands. |
| 21:10.11 | Neffi | as opposed to resting? |
| 21:10.36 | mikma | semlar: oh look.... " = true" :P |
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| 21:11.42 | Semlar | i swear to god if you haven't added a nil check i'm going to throttle you |
| 21:11.49 | mikma | it's in now |
| 21:12.03 | mikma | let's reload and see the sv :P |
| 21:12.33 | Ackis | anyone know a website that allows me to play around with different css elements (display, position, margin, padding) on the fly? Can't find one that does them all decently |
| 21:12.43 | mikma | [""] = true, |
| 21:12.48 | mikma | ["0x0400000004B301C0"] = true, |
| 21:12.59 | Semlar | what does GetPlayInfoByGUID('') do |
| 21:13.04 | mikma | some minievent is not broadcasting the guid at all |
| 21:13.23 | Dagmar | Ackis: You can actually use the debugged in Firefox or Chrome for that |
| 21:13.39 | Dagmar | I've watched my ex dork around with people's webpage layouts on a number of occasions |
| 21:13.39 | mikma | semlar: it's the same error, Message: [string "GetPlayerInfoByGUID('')"]:1: Usage: GetPlayerInfoByGUID("playerGUID") |
| 21:13.53 | Ackis | Dagmar: I was kind of after some sort of teaching tool as well |
| 21:13.58 | Semlar | then you need to check that guidsource ~= '' |
| 21:14.05 | Dagmar | Good luck with that one then |
| 21:14.43 | Dagmar | I'm trying to do a thing for the Nintendo DS browser and you'd almost think no one ever published specs for HTML 4.0. |
| 21:14.51 | Semlar | if guidsource and guidsource ~= '' |
| 21:17.30 | TC-Work | Ackis: jsfiddle seems to be the most common. Works decently well for my needs. |
| 21:17.48 | Jamash | the nintendo DS browser sucks |
| 21:18.49 | Jamash | Ackis: w3schools |
| 21:20.29 | Neffi | Ackis: I've seen some web guys recommend Code Academy for html/css. It appears to be an interactive thing. Cant vouch for it though, never touched it myself |
| 21:21.08 | Neffi | or rather "codecademy" |
| 21:21.14 | Ackis | thanks for the suggestions, gonna look at them all, but I get to go home in about 9 minutes and 25 seconds |
| 21:21.44 | TC-Work | I have used codeacademy for learning, not creating. |
| 21:24.59 | mikma | semlar: eh hehe... |
| 21:25.11 | mikma | semlar: so i added another check for the guidsource |
| 21:25.33 | mikma | semlar: print(minievent..", "..sourceflags..", "..sourceflagsraid) -> SPELL_AURA_REMOVED, 1352, 0 |
| 21:25.44 | mikma | semlar: afaik, that's a hunter/warlock/mage pet |
| 21:26.13 | nevcairiel | you know, you can just do print(minievent, sourceflags, sourceflagsraid), no need to concat them yourself |
| 21:26.42 | mikma | nevcairiel: for some reason, it didn't work. just printed the first one and not the rest |
| 21:26.58 | Neffi | local succ,_,class = pcall(GetPlayerInfoByGUID,guidsource); if not succ then class = nil end -- fix later |
| 21:27.06 | nevcairiel | ~lart Neffi |
| 21:27.06 | purl | beats Neffi senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 21:27.07 | Neffi | ;) |
| 21:27.25 | Semlar | you don't want to concat them as strings because if one of them is nil it's going to error |
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| 21:27.58 | Semlar | not that that should be possible with those variables |
| 21:28.17 | mikma | http://wowpedia.org/UnitFlag |
| 21:28.26 | Neffi | nevcairiel: so violent |
| 21:28.38 | nevcairiel | your solution is violent |
| 21:28.39 | mikma | so far the unitflags are telling me it's a pet that causes the errors. but uh oh. why |
| 21:28.43 | nevcairiel | its like the sledgehammer solution |
| 21:28.53 | Neffi | aye, it is |
| 21:28.55 | nevcairiel | code defensively, not offensively! |
| 21:29.09 | Semlar | again, i wouldn't rely on the unit flags for the unit type, i'd pull it out of the guid |
| 21:29.21 | Neffi | somebody needs to code offensively. otherwise all those other people are coding defensively for no reason |
| 21:29.32 | nevcairiel | Semlar: the flags work fine for this stuff |
| 21:29.34 | Semlar | unit flags are waaay less reliable than the value in the guid |
| 21:29.54 | nevcairiel | and obviously he doesnt have a guid, that is why the problem started! |
| 21:30.12 | Semlar | if he doesn't have a guid then there's nothing to check |
| 21:30.33 | nevcairiel | not to mention that guid parsing is ugly and breaks on every other content patch |
| 21:30.46 | mikma | semlar: heh. but actually there's not much info i can get from guid anyway |
| 21:30.56 | Semlar | uh the type field in the guid hasn't changed in like 8 years |
| 21:30.57 | mikma | semlar: just the race and name and... |
| 21:31.05 | nevcairiel | Semlar: guids arent even that old |
| 21:31.12 | nevcairiel | and it changes in 1-2 weeks |
| 21:31.27 | Semlar | obviously it will change for wod |
| 21:31.39 | Semlar | but then you just change your type function checking the GUID |
| 21:32.03 | Semlar | all WoD did was change the type field to a more readable format |
| 21:32.22 | mikma | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPlayerInfoByGUID |
| 21:32.39 | mikma | that's what guid tells us. doesn't tell us is the player hostile player or what |
| 21:32.57 | Semlar | the GUID itself has a number in it that tells you whether it's a player or a player's pet or something else |
| 21:33.01 | mikma | that's why whe need the sourceflags itself |
| 21:33.04 | Semlar | no you do not |
| 21:33.23 | Semlar | you only need to check the flags to see if it's hostile |
| 21:33.26 | mikma | http://wowpedia.org/API_UnitGUID |
| 21:33.38 | Semlar | http://wowpedia.org/GUID |
| 21:33.56 | nevcairiel | the flags are good enough, his only problem was that the guid is sometimes empty :p |
| 21:34.14 | Semlar | he just said it was throwing errors for a pet |
| 21:34.26 | nevcairiel | yes, because the guid is empty xD |
| 21:34.42 | Semlar | i assume he already added checks to see that the guid isn't empty |
| 21:35.13 | mikma | there should always be a guild because of the sourceflags |
| 21:35.28 | Semlar | stop relying on the flags to tell you that the guid is there |
| 21:35.45 | mikma | the sourceflags (hostile player controlled by player) is giving out a sourceflag for pet |
| 21:36.19 | mikma | i'm not sure is the bit.band -function wrong or what the hell is going on |
| 21:37.09 | mikma | hmmmmm. no. i am completely wrong |
| 21:37.19 | mikma | ./spew bit.band(0x548,0x548) -> 1352 |
| 21:37.29 | mikma | so that is correct, the guid is just missing |
| 21:37.32 | nevcairiel | if 1352 is the source flags, then it doesnt contain the pet flag, its outsider, hostile, player/player |
| 21:38.08 | Simca_ | you need to check the output from every blizzard function for nil output or output containing pure 0s, that includes guid |
| 21:38.22 | Simca_ | many of the functions don't work right under some conditions |
| 21:39.58 | mikma | http://pastebin.com/ufMgJwiK - i'll just go with this tomorrow and see what happens |
| 21:43.46 | Semlar | i want to mention again that you can get the level without guessing unless they're like 10+ levels above you |
| 21:44.17 | Semlar | in which case it doesn't really matter much what level they are |
| 21:45.02 | Semlar | their level is in their tooltip which you can create from their guid |
| 21:46.57 | kd3 | heh, build 19000 today |
| 21:51.52 | mikma | semlar: hmm well, i need to check that out. now i am getting the level spells they use are learnt |
| 21:57.13 | nevcairiel | kd3: they should've used that one for 6.0 live |
| 21:58.13 | foxlit | skip to all the way to 60000, np. |
| 21:58.23 | smcn | lol |
| 21:58.35 | nevcairiel | 6.0.2.60000? :p |
| 21:58.44 | smcn | skip to 10,000,000 |
| 21:58.57 | foxlit | well, 60002 then. |
| 21:59.32 | foxlit | though that leaves nothing to the inevitable 6.0.3 |
| 22:00.20 | mikma | semlar: so what can we do with: 0x0400000004B301C0? 0x040 = battlegroup and player, 0000000 = pet crap and 4B301C0 player data |
| 22:00.33 | nevcairiel | with their new patching systems they dont necessarily have to bump the version for every client-side hotfix they do shortly after release |
| 22:00.50 | Semlar | mikma no |
| 22:01.08 | Semlar | one of the numbers tells you whether it's a player, pet, or something else which you don't care about |
| 22:01.21 | nevcairiel | although it does seem likely to have at least one actual patch number increase between 6.0 live and WoD |
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| 22:01.45 | Semlar | i think it's the 5th character |
| 22:01.50 | mikma | semlar: 0x??0 tells its a player |
| 22:01.55 | kd3 | wha, you mean the pre-6.0 GUID? http://wowpedia.org/GUID |
| 22:02.08 | Semlar | 0 or 8 means it's a player |
| 22:02.12 | mikma | semlar: next 7x zeroes are for pets |
| 22:02.17 | Semlar | no |
| 22:02.36 | Semlar | the same number tells you whether it's a pet |
| 22:02.44 | Semlar | if it's 4 it's a player pet |
| 22:02.59 | mikma | and the the next 7 zeroes are used |
| 22:03.06 | foxlit | nevcairiel: awesome to hear that things work, btw. |
| 22:03.08 | mikma | If the unit is a pet, CCCCCDD forms a unique ID for the pet based on creation order |
| 22:03.17 | mikma | for players they are always 0000000 |
| 22:03.19 | Semlar | well yes but none of that information is important |
| 22:03.24 | mikma | aye |
| 22:03.27 | mikma | the last bit is |
| 22:03.31 | nevcairiel | foxlit: cant say i'm a fan of your row signature syntax though, it looks like weird magic in my code now |
| 22:03.43 | mikma | 4B301C0 |
| 22:04.03 | mikma | (For players it can be 7 digits long, i.e. DEEEEEE) |
| 22:04.07 | foxlit | nevcairiel: FORTRAN in your code. |
| 22:04.12 | nevcairiel | "3us4f6u" |
| 22:04.15 | nevcairiel | fun :p |
| 22:04.17 | foxlit | but what would you prefer? |
| 22:04.20 | nevcairiel | i should write it out, would look even weirder |
| 22:04.26 | Semlar | what could you possibly be wanting from that, mikma |
| 22:04.55 | Semlar | you're just using the fifth character to identify whether it's a player or a player pet |
| 22:04.56 | mikma | semlar: i dunno. you told me that there's a way of getting the levels somehow? O_o |
| 22:05.04 | Semlar | no the level isn't IN the guid |
| 22:05.13 | Semlar | you can use the guid to create a tooltip to get the level |
| 22:05.37 | Semlar | shit it's after 6 i have to go |
| 22:05.38 | nevcairiel | foxlit: a table with list of type names like "integer", "float", "string" would be nice and readable, but i guess thats kinda ... verbose |
| 22:06.02 | foxlit | along the lines of dbc.format{âintegerâ, âfloatâ, âfloatâ, âstringâ, âstringâ}? |
| 22:06.11 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 22:07.55 | foxlit | still going to look kind of weird, especially if things like signed integers ever appear. |
| 22:08.16 | nevcairiel | also, i was kinda amazed that loading from cdn alone wasnt really any slower than using local files, for simple dbc files anyway :D |
| 22:09.40 | mikma | hmmh, creating and scanning tooltips sounds heavy |
| 22:09.55 | foxlit | itâs still like ~75MB of stuff to create the index. |
| 22:10.10 | nevcairiel | my net speed is decent, i guess |
| 22:10.47 | Neffi | mikma: depends what you're scanning for. it's not too bad |
| 22:10.48 | nevcairiel | anyhow, i can deal with the signature syntax, it just looks weird in the code and you wont be able to understand it without looking up the reference on the website |
| 22:11.06 | Neffi | the tooltip weighs in at under a kilobyte, so it's not like you're bloating the mem usage |
| 22:11.39 | foxlit | theyâre mostly mnemonics that should be similar to C. |
| 22:12.15 | foxlit | u(nsigned), f(loat) and s(tring). Kind of shot myself in the foot with the dot, shouldâve used it for a single-byte skip and something else for 4 bytes. |
| 22:13.28 | nevcairiel | are there any other data formats that are byte-sized? |
| 22:14.27 | foxlit | Donât know, maybe not. |
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| 22:15.17 | nevcairiel | i assume strings are also 4 bytes in the row? |
| 22:15.25 | foxlit | yes. |
| 22:16.26 | nevcairiel | at least that makes for nicely aligned row length |
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| 22:18.47 | nevcairiel | the code is suprisingly small though, casc must be somewhat simple to read |
| 22:19.25 | nevcairiel | one thing i dont quite understand though, it doesnt have a built-in filelist, but once you know the filename, it magically knows where to find the file? how does that work? |
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| 22:20.35 | foxlit | thereâs a hash table of file names to content hashes inside. |
| 22:21.01 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 22:21.15 | nevcairiel | so you can practically list all files, you just wouldn't know their name, only the hashed name |
| 22:21.25 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 22:21.48 | Semlar10 | whoever was arguing with me that blizzard wasn't breaking OQ: http://solidice.com/forums/12/topic/final-update-oqueue-v205 |
| 22:22.53 | nevcairiel | he could be talking out of his ass, unless he provides specifics whats broken |
| 22:23.08 | kd3 | tiny, talking out of his ass? perish the thought |
| 22:23.10 | Neffi | Semlar10: ok now this is getting out of hand |
| 22:23.13 | Neffi | 10 of you is too much |
| 22:23.14 | foxlit | (though if theyâre feeling particularly sneaky, they could load things using hashes hardcoded or acquired from elsewhere) |
| 22:23.14 | Ressy | snickers |
| 22:23.32 | Semlar10 | they made it so the bnet function requires a hardware event or something |
| 22:24.22 | foxlit | knowing which bnet function that is would be so much more convincing than that post. |
| 22:24.41 | Semlar10 | the friend request function |
| 22:24.50 | Semlar10 | iirc |
| 22:24.53 | Unkle | Because BNet was getting HAMMERED by the traffic oQueue was producing. |
| 22:25.11 | nevcairiel | they even added a new function just for OQ |
| 22:25.13 | Torhal | You should just go base-16, Neffi. |
| 22:25.16 | nevcairiel | if it was a concern, they could've broken it |
| 22:25.26 | foxlit | fundamentally, the only way this is going to be broken is by saying âHey guy, we donât want your addon to work in 6.0. Donât fix it, or weâll do mean things to you.â |
| 22:26.12 | foxlit | nevcairiel: in related news, that function is removed in 6.0. |
| 22:26.23 | nevcairiel | it didnt have a very long life then |
| 22:26.36 | foxlit | âoops we didnât mean to break your addon quite yet" |
| 22:26.58 | nevcairiel | maybe extra b.net traffic was a concern afterall |
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| 22:30.50 | foxlit | how bad could it possibly be? |
| 22:32.23 | Simca_ | bad |
| 22:33.20 | foxlit | thatâs an invitation for a quantitative answer, not a qualitative one. |
| 22:34.40 | Simca_ | a quantitative answer is not really feasible, so i settled for 'bad' |
| 22:34.40 | Neffi | foxlit: 2 |
| 22:34.59 | foxlit | bs |
| 22:35.30 | foxlit | they presumably throttle realid comms to some specific number of bytes per some specific amount of time. |
| 22:36.51 | foxlit | and theyâre all point-to-point, so itâs not like you get n^2 traffic growth from having to forward this to every subscriber. |
| 22:37.28 | Neffi | oh damn. i just realized something... |
| 22:37.34 | Neffi | Mars is entirely inhabited by robots |
| 22:39.02 | nevcairiel | as far as we know, anyway |
| 22:39.44 | Neffi | fair enough |
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| 22:41.22 | Simca_ | yeah foxlit but given the amount of oqueue users and the typical amount of b.net traffic, i wouldn't be surprised if we are at a point where OQueue makes up the majority of battle.net traffic |
| 22:41.33 | Simca_ | that's obviously something they don't want |
| 22:42.08 | foxlit | I donât buy that âobviouslyâ at all. |
| 22:42.21 | TC-Work | Well, I think it's something they want to offer, but at a lower overhead. |
| 22:43.01 | foxlit | Itâs far easier than running an IRC server; and it seems like you can just throw more hardware at it if you wanted to (or more aggressive throttle limits if you donât). |
| 22:44.34 | Simca_ | why would they buy hardware if their servers were being taxed by a third party though |
| 22:44.43 | Simca_ | their solution would be to break the addon |
| 22:47.14 | foxlit | because the addon is presumably useful to people. |
| 22:47.33 | nevcairiel | which is why they added the api instead of breaking it immediately |
| 22:47.49 | kd3 | maybe they don't want a repeat of voice chat. "use our group finder. or. else." >.> |
| 22:47.59 | foxlit | Iâm far more inclined to agree with kd3. |
| 22:48.06 | nevcairiel | the api probably allowed them to throttle it better without impacting normal users |
| 22:48.22 | nevcairiel | still didnt like it, soo now its going out |
| 22:48.33 | foxlit | except the comms api stays. |
| 22:48.57 | nevcairiel | didnt you say that function is going away |
| 22:49.15 | foxlit | nope, misinterpreting implied context there. |
| 22:49.24 | kd3 | the only bnet function getting yanked to my knowledge is BNGetFriendInviteInfoByAddon |
| 22:49.29 | foxlit | whatâs going away is the send-friend-invite-with-attached-data function. |
| 22:49.49 | foxlit | (or, rather, those arguments and the receiving end of it) |
| 22:50.03 | nevcairiel | so, why would OQ be dead then, unless they really reached out and say "be dead or we make you dead" |
| 22:50.44 | nevcairiel | a comm function designed for addon usage with a hardware event requirement makes zero sense, so I doubt thats really a thing |
| 22:50.53 | nevcairiel | (like semlar suggested) |
| 22:51.00 | Simca_ | the addon communicates by regulating your BNet friends, nevcairiel |
| 22:51.14 | foxlit | friend invites/accepts. Though someone should probably test it. |
| 22:51.15 | Simca_ | without BNGetFriendInviteInfoByAddon, it can't increase the size of its network |
| 22:52.47 | nevcairiel | i can see how permanent messing with the friend system is something blizzard didnt like |
| 22:53.09 | foxlit | but even that can be worked around. Want to list your group, or browse the group listings? Dunking bird on the X key, please. |
| 22:53.52 | foxlit | (or hook every OnClick. Itâs not like there arenât options with hardware protection.) |
| 22:54.18 | Simca_ | hooking every onclick might work |
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| 22:54.54 | Simca_ | i wonder if tiny has thought of that |
| 22:55.15 | nevcairiel | that definitely sounds like something that may get blizzard upset tho :p |
| 22:56.35 | foxlit | iff their intention is to break the addon. |
| 22:57.42 | foxlit | the fact that the oqueueâs 6.0 plan is to roll over and die makes me think âand stay dead!â was communicated. |
| 22:58.25 | Simca_ | quite possible |
| 23:17.47 | foxlit | shouldâve pivoted: ârate the experience you had in these groups, friend your favorite players, and poll friends whether they or anyone they know wants to run Xâ |
| 23:27.10 | foxlit | I donât know how much of a problem thisâll be on live realms, but the tutorials for most new UI frames are annoying on beta. |
| 23:27.46 | foxlit | YOU CANNOT ESCAPE. Not without clicking through all of the way-too-many popup boxes, anyway â the garrison missions UI is probably the worst offender. |
| 23:28.59 | foxlit | Someone should write an addon thatâd either let you suppress them outright or let you exit them quicker. |
| 23:32.49 | Semlar | you can disable them, i don't remember if it automatically hides all of the ones you haven't seen yet though |
| 23:33.17 | znf | Anyone on the beta can help me out with a multistrike buff? |
| 23:33.22 | znf | (horde side) |
| 23:33.44 | foxlit | shattrah cauldrons? |
| 23:33.48 | kd3 | get the buffeting galefury shamanstone buff? |
| 23:34.06 | znf | Oh. |
| 23:34.09 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Shamanstone |
| 23:34.10 | znf | wait |
| 23:34.13 | Semlar | if you go to shattrath there's a bunch of test dummies and things that give you all the buffs |
| 23:34.14 | znf | new shattrah or old? :D |
| 23:34.19 | Semlar | old |
| 23:34.22 | kd3 | old shattrath |
| 23:34.28 | Semlar | you couldn't possibly survive new shattrath |
| 23:34.43 | kullervo | is it a raid? |
| 23:34.52 | Semlar | no, it's just got a bunch of angry mobs hanging out in it |
| 23:34.56 | znf | bah, how the hell do I get there from the garrison? :-| |
| 23:35.01 | kullervo | I'd totally survive in new shattrath |
| 23:35.06 | Semlar | roll a mage |
| 23:35.16 | znf | ...I need to test stuff on a druid :P |
| 23:35.20 | foxlit | copy live druid |
| 23:35.20 | znf | beats the purpose :D |
| 23:35.23 | foxlit | hearth to shrine. |
| 23:35.25 | kd3 | to old shattrath? go to ashran, back to org, then take the portal to the dark portal |
| 23:35.29 | foxlit | portal. |
| 23:35.52 | znf | foxlit, I want lvl100... |
| 23:36.01 | kd3 | the old blasted lands ports go to the outland-side of the dark portal, then it's a hop, skip, and a jump to old shattrath |
| 23:36.26 | znf | ok, how do I get to Ashran? |
| 23:36.27 | foxlit | arenât the premade hearths set to faction capitals anyway? |
| 23:36.35 | znf | no, garrison |
| 23:36.47 | foxlit | thatâs odd, considering you also have a garrison hearthstone |
| 23:36.49 | kd3 | you should have the fp there on the 100 servers |
| 23:37.05 | znf | It's not there anymore, kd3 |
| 23:37.11 | znf | I know I saw it in a previous build |
| 23:37.18 | znf | but now no ashran fp |
| 23:37.23 | kd3 | talk to the flight master, or make a new template |
| 23:37.35 | znf | it is a new template :) |
| 23:37.38 | kd3 | as in, one created today? |
| 23:37.45 | znf | like created 5 minutes ago |
| 23:37.51 | znf | they must have "forgot" it |
| 23:38.01 | foxlit | anyway, Druid. |
| 23:38.13 | kd3 | you had garrison ford build you your garrison? talk to your garrison mission master, he should have a quest to send you to ashran |
| 23:38.19 | znf | now there's a Spires FP |
| 23:38.24 | foxlit | Moonglade, Fly. |
| 23:38.45 | znf | right |
| 23:38.53 | znf | then I'll need to do it on a paladin :D |
| 23:39.18 | kd3 | moonglade->org isn't that long of a trek, you should have 310% on the templates |
| 23:39.40 | znf | oh, cool, no flight form heh |
| 23:39.49 | foxlit | you can also try Hyjal, but Iâm not sure how those portals are phased. |
| 23:39.50 | kd3 | you'll have flight form in a flight-enabled area |
| 23:40.10 | znf | pretty sure moonglade is a flight form area :) |
| 23:40.17 | kd3 | hit travel form |
| 23:40.32 | znf | Oh |
| 23:40.48 | znf | that's silly |
| 23:40.51 | fewyn | they merged flight form into travel form |
| 23:40.54 | fewyn | no idea why |
| 23:40.57 | fewyn | makes no sense |
| 23:40.58 | fewyn | but whatever |
| 23:41.09 | foxlit | the public demands unlimited minor glyphs. |
| 23:41.29 | foxlit | because why should one be able to undo only three silly design choices? |
| 23:45.43 | Mr_Rabies | honestly |
| 23:45.48 | Mr_Rabies | glyphs should be split into 3 again |
| 23:45.56 | Mr_Rabies | purely cosmetic, minor gameplay, and major gameplay |
| 23:46.05 | Mr_Rabies | unlimited purely cosmetic, as long as they don't interfere with each other |
| 23:46.19 | znf | wait a second |
| 23:46.25 | znf | where's the new-old portal? |
| 23:46.34 | kd3 | mage area |
| 23:55.36 | znf | did the disable LFR? |
| 23:55.37 | znf | damn it :( |
| 23:59.36 | Semlar | travel form only form |
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