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| 00:11.41 | Gethe | http://www.clickerheroes.com/ |
| 00:29.59 | Neffi | greatest game ever made right there |
| 00:30.05 | Neffi | a true testament to esports |
| 00:45.06 | nebula169 | Semlar: have you done anything with UnitPosition in wod? 0,0 is in really weird places, seems unlikely you can convert it to a nice [0,1] system |
| 00:45.32 | Semlar | it uses the global/world/instance coordinates i'm used to |
| 00:45.39 | Semlar | 0,0 is the center |
| 00:46.12 | Semlar | and it returns y, x, instanceID if you consider x to be the horizontal axis |
| 00:47.04 | nebula169 | yea, i noticed that. y, x, z (always 0), instanceID |
| 00:47.25 | Neffi | > z (always 0) |
| 00:47.32 | Neffi | maybe this means the level |
| 00:47.38 | Neffi | like on multi-floor instances |
| 00:47.43 | Semlar | no, it's literally z they've just disabled it |
| 00:47.58 | Semlar | i don't know why they didn't just remove the return |
| 00:48.00 | Neffi | well that's annoying |
| 00:50.17 | Semlar | i did write a function to convert the world position to the zone position but it's dependent on what map you're looking at |
| 00:50.51 | Semlar | so if you want to place icons on the zone map it's fine because you know what zone you're looking at, but if you're trying to figure out what zone a particular coordinate falls into, it's not that simple |
| 00:51.15 | Semlar | since the same point can be on multiple maps |
| 00:52.32 | Semlar | zone coordinates are inferior to world coordinates anyway |
| 00:52.52 | Semlar | they're just easier to understand for a person looking at them |
| 00:54.57 | Neffi | find out which zone map it's closest to the center of, and that's likely the zone map you care about it being on. return the rest as a list after that |
| 00:55.12 | Semlar | that doesn't work very well |
| 00:55.17 | Semlar | i already tried that |
| 00:55.22 | Neffi | ah, ok |
| 00:55.29 | Neffi | I've not worked with the map, like, at all |
| 00:55.51 | nebula169 | still have the function? looking for a bandaid while i work on other stuff |
| 00:56.00 | Semlar | depends on what you need |
| 00:56.35 | Primer | So this UnitPosition always returns a value, unlike GetPlayerMapPosition? |
| 00:56.43 | Semlar | UnitPosition always works |
| 00:56.52 | Semlar | and doesn't need a map to exist for the area you're in |
| 00:57.10 | nebula169 | using UnitPosition so I don't need map data to scale the distances, but all the proximity trig uses the [0,1] system from GetPlayerMapPosition |
| 00:57.11 | Primer | So it's possible to always have bearing and distance to other players? |
| 00:57.12 | Semlar | which makes it super useful for the kind of map stuff i was doing |
| 00:57.19 | Primer | Also, does that work in arenas? |
| 00:57.27 | Semlar | there is a separate function that actually returns the distance to other players in the same instance as you |
| 00:57.34 | Semlar | so you don't even need to do the calculations |
| 00:57.48 | Primer | well, I've always done the calculations |
| 00:57.50 | Semlar | well, if you want the direction yeah |
| 00:57.51 | nebula169 | this is a proximity display, so i need actual positions |
| 00:57.52 | Neffi | I presume this stuff doesnt work on units not in your group? |
| 00:57.57 | Primer | but that always depended on knowing the zone dimensions |
| 00:58.00 | nebula169 | Neffi: correct |
| 00:58.17 | Primer | nebula169: Is this for PB4? |
| 00:58.18 | Neffi | does it work on the current (hostile) non-player target in the game world (eg, I target a squirrel)? |
| 00:58.37 | nebula169 | Primer: nah, bigwigs |
| 00:58.42 | nebula169 | Neffi: nope |
| 00:58.48 | Semlar | if you're just doing proximity stuff, it's super easy with the distance function |
| 00:58.59 | Primer | nebula169: was gonna say, because I wrote an arrow module for PB4 (not sure if you recall) |
| 00:59.06 | Neffi | I guess by proximity map he means a hud that shows blips of where they are |
| 00:59.06 | nebula169 | yea, i remember it |
| 00:59.11 | nebula169 | ^ |
| 00:59.21 | Primer | I'll probably move it over to UnitPosition then. It would eliminate a dep on LibMapData |
| 00:59.26 | Semlar | if you want a hud with blips you'll need their coordinates but you don't have to convert it to zone coordinates or anything |
| 00:59.53 | Semlar | the numbers returned by UnitPosition are in-game yards |
| 00:59.54 | nebula169 | i know, damit man i said i wanted to make it work the current math :p |
| 01:00.21 | nebula169 | which is why i wanted to convert the system to zone coords |
| 01:00.51 | Primer | This still begs the question: Does it work in arenas? |
| 01:00.58 | Primer | Because GetMapPlayerPosition does not |
| 01:01.03 | nebula169 | i would assume so? |
| 01:01.05 | Primer | yet it does in RBGs |
| 01:01.17 | Primer | and normal bgs for that matter |
| 01:01.35 | Semlar | i don't understand the point of converting UnitPosition to zone coordinates when you can just use the existing function |
| 01:02.08 | Semlar | GetPlayerMapPosition |
| 01:02.09 | Primer | perhaps he wants to plot the points on the zone map? |
| 01:02.20 | Primer | not relative to you? |
| 01:02.26 | nebula169 | to make it work until i redo all the blip positioning code |
| 01:03.34 | nebula169 | just wanted to see the math behind converting before i started |
| 01:03.49 | Semlar | oh |
| 01:04.27 | Semlar | well, there are functions in-game that give you the world coordinates of the edges of the zone map |
| 01:04.41 | Semlar | this lets you get the width of the map in yards |
| 01:04.46 | Semlar | and the top left point |
| 01:05.03 | nebula169 | ah, thats all i needed really, GetMapInfo returns those? |
| 01:05.18 | Semlar | it's GetCurrentMapZone i think but you'll need more functions than that |
| 01:05.19 | nebula169 | no |
| 01:05.22 | Semlar | it's a little more complicated |
| 01:05.32 | Semlar | hang on |
| 01:05.45 | Semlar | because there are different types of maps |
| 01:09.26 | Primer | my PB4 arrow addon still works with GetPlayerMapPostition and LibMapData. AFAIK, there's nothing in the game that gives you the zone dimensions |
| 01:09.31 | Primer | unless that's new in 6 |
| 01:09.53 | Semlar | uh yeah there is |
| 01:09.55 | nebula169 | don't really need dims to show an arrow |
| 01:09.57 | Semlar | it's been in there since like mop came out |
| 01:10.20 | Semlar | i was calculating instance coordinates in the mop beta |
| 01:10.55 | Primer | nebula169: relative to you? |
| 01:11.05 | Primer | if so, that's easy if you have your x/y and their x/y |
| 01:11.17 | nebula169 | indeed |
| 01:11.55 | Semlar | well, i need to rewrite the function because i guess i took it out of this addon |
| 01:12.08 | Primer | Semlar: I think what happened is that I based my PB4 arrow stuff on my first arrow addon, which I did in LK |
| 01:12.25 | Primer | so I didn't know any better way of doing it |
| 01:12.35 | nebula169 | well i know how to convert between systems, so just the api to get the min/max of the zone |
| 01:12.59 | Primer | Not having zone dimensions was never a problem. Having GPMP return nothing was a problem |
| 01:20.42 | nebula169 | GetAreaMapInfo doesn't work for instances? ;[ |
| 01:20.49 | Semlar | try this http://pastebin.com/6zUEBrBj |
| 01:21.04 | Semlar | i dry coded it so i might have missed something |
| 01:21.16 | Semlar | i'm kinda tryin to do two things at once here |
| 01:22.10 | Mr_Rabies | what is that supposed to do, Gethe? it just loads the swf and does nothing, can't interact with it O_o |
| 01:22.40 | Gethe | it's supposed to be a game |
| 01:23.34 | Mr_Rabies | ah, had to disable the NPAPI flash plugin and then shift-reload |
| 01:23.39 | Mr_Rabies | wait no |
| 01:23.41 | Mr_Rabies | still doing nothing |
| 01:24.15 | Gethe | dunno it works for me |
| 01:24.32 | Mr_Rabies | seems like it's 3rd-party cookies or something, maybe |
| 01:24.59 | Gethe | it uses cookies to save game data |
| 01:25.23 | Mr_Rabies | it wants facebook and adobe.com cookies, hmm |
| 01:25.38 | Semlar | nebula169: you may want to just change the function arguments to accept the 4 that UnitPosition return |
| 01:25.44 | Mr_Rabies | i enabled the ngapi cookie and the cloudstonegame cookie, went farther into loading but that's it |
| 01:25.52 | Semlar | like (y, x, _, instanceID) |
| 01:28.44 | Mr_Rabies | ah got, it it was pepperflash |
| 01:29.49 | nebula169 | Semlar: thanks, works :p |
| 01:31.26 | Semlar | ah good |
| 01:31.37 | Semlar | because i kind of had to throw that together |
| 01:32.02 | Semlar | the main issue is that maps with multiple levels are treated differently than maps with only one floor |
| 01:33.31 | Semlar | and some multi-floored maps use the "terrain map" which means their first floor is treated like a normal zone rather than a dungeon map |
| 01:34.02 | Semlar | like, orgrimmar's base map uses the terrain, so it's treated like a normal zone, but it has a second floor for the drag |
| 01:35.21 | Semlar | just remember that the map has to actually be set to the map you're interested in before you start calling these functions |
| 01:35.38 | nebula169 | yar |
| 01:35.39 | Semlar | which is part of why UnitPosition is so much better |
| 01:36.15 | nebula169 | yea, pretty happy to have position api detached from all the mapping shit |
| 01:39.33 | Semlar | the instance itself is made up of a 64x64 grid of tiles which they paint the terrain onto |
| 01:39.59 | Semlar | each tile is 533.3333~ or 1600/3 yards across |
| 01:40.13 | Semlar | and the coordinate system starts in the middle at 0,0 |
| 01:40.51 | Semlar | the textures that make up the minimap represent one tile |
| 01:41.21 | Semlar | so if you just took one of those textures it would be a 533 yard square of terrain |
| 01:43.12 | Semlar | so it's possible to actually calculate the texture path for the minimap terrain tiles when you're out in the world |
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| 01:48.32 | Primer | of warcraft |
| 02:01.50 | TC-Work | ~lart Primer |
| 02:01.50 | purl | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats Primer until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
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| 02:14.44 | Neffi | wait, have the squirrels run off with Primer's nuts? |
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| 02:28.36 | Semlar | uptown squirrels |
| 02:57.50 | Semlar | they're just livin in a white bread world.. |
| 03:01.49 | Neffi | that was terrible Semlar |
| 03:02.35 | Semlar | :( |
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| 03:10.18 | Fisker | A |
| 03:10.24 | TC-Work | B |
| 03:13.10 | Neffi | γ |
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| 04:29.20 | Shirik | anyone else I know get a keybase invite? |
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| 04:32.53 | Thunder_Child | Not sure I would want one started by the people that did OkCupid. |
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| 04:56.49 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: No, but they did datamine their userbase. |
| 04:57.18 | Thunder_Child | Well, Do* http://blog.okcupid.com/ |
| 05:01.00 | Semlar | so they're like google and facebook |
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| 05:02.16 | Thunder_Child | Neither of which is offering a security site. |
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| 08:18.48 | karl_w_w | Knowledge is power, France is bacon |
| 08:23.05 | Neffi | nods in agreement |
| 08:35.52 | Trela | http://i.imgur.com/DUyEveM.jpg |
| 08:37.12 | zenzelezz | Trela: not sure exactly what we're looking at/for |
| 08:37.27 | Trela | Puff Puff. |
| 08:37.34 | zenzelezz | ? |
| 08:39.23 | karl_w_w | For 8 years now I've been addicted to cold turkey. When I tell people I'm quitting cold turkey, they say, "What are you quitting?" I'm fucking quitting cold turkey. |
| 08:39.46 | Trela | Cold turkey is pretty good though. |
| 08:41.56 | zenzelezz | so why are you quitting it? |
| 08:53.16 | Fisker | karl_w_w |
| 08:53.26 | Fisker | Why did I just lose to a healing totem with windfury and bloodlust? |
| 08:53.55 | karl_w_w | because shamans/shamen/shameaux are annoying |
| 09:03.27 | zenzelezz | because Obama, Fisker |
| 09:07.08 | Fisker | oh man that was disgusting karl_w_w |
| 09:07.38 | Fisker | Plays a warsong commander, then a frothing berserker and trades all the things |
| 09:45.04 | Fisker | aww karl_w_w |
| 09:45.05 | Fisker | my first BM |
| 09:45.15 | Fisker | Someone greeted me because I had 2 flame imps @ turn 2 |
| 09:45.31 | Fisker | then conceded |
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| 10:00.08 | karl_w_w | that's not impossible to come back from |
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| 12:24.13 | Fisker | grabs Lopeppeppy by the feet |
| 12:24.18 | Fisker | This is just a dream |
| 12:24.28 | Lopeppeppy | I'd love some dreams, that would mean that I'm asleep. |
| 12:24.40 | Fisker | Yeah |
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| 12:47.25 | zenzelezz | I wonder what the rationale behind closing your backpacks when you get feared was |
| 12:48.30 | mitch0 | so you don't lose stuff when running around obviously |
| 12:48.43 | mitch0 | immersion! |
| 12:50.37 | Lopeppeppy | Immersion in your backpack! |
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| 13:13.47 | karl_w_w | im trying to remember this book i read in high school but i dont remember any details pretty much |
| 13:15.09 | Lopeppeppy | What do you remember? Google it |
| 13:15.21 | karl_w_w | just that it was about racism, i think it was set in farm land in america |
| 13:15.31 | karl_w_w | and there was fire involved at one point |
| 13:17.26 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing it's not going to be something obvious like "Mississippi burning"? |
| 13:18.08 | karl_w_w | doubt it |
| 13:18.42 | karl_w_w | it was told from a child's perspective |
| 13:18.51 | karl_w_w | so it had the feel of to kill a mockingbird to it |
| 13:19.48 | karl_w_w | although I didn't know that at the time cos I didn't see or read mockingbird til afterwards |
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| 13:20.15 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roll_of_Thunder,_Hear_My_Cry |
| 13:21.40 | karl_w_w | well look at that, foxlit is a genius |
| 13:23.30 | Thunder_Child | That's just mean to lie to him like that. |
| 13:28.07 | mitch0 | karl_w_w: jango? |
| 13:28.25 | karl_w_w | sorry foxlit already won :P |
| 13:28.28 | mitch0 | :( |
| 13:39.20 | karl_w_w | amazing I can't find an ebook of it, even on bitme |
| 13:39.29 | karl_w_w | guess I have to use the library! |
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| 14:16.51 | Shirik | my bank just sent me an email saying "Weâve selected some offers we think would help you expand financiallyâand allow us to show you how valuable you are to Washington Federal." followed by an offer to open a home equity line of credit |
| 14:17.06 | Shirik | Apparently my bank doesn't think I'm valuable enough to go check to see if I have a house first |
| 14:18.29 | Arrowmaster | maybe they think you need a second house? |
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| 15:34.59 | Torhal | Shirik: Sounds like shotgun marketing. They fire and hope some of the pellets hit. |
| 15:45.24 | karl_w_w | who makes captcha images? |
| 15:45.55 | karl_w_w | surely there must be people who input what they are |
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| 16:41.45 | Shirik | Torhal: I'm ok with that if you don't try to sound like "oh look we care so much about you" |
| 16:44.41 | Fisker | I care so much about you Shirik |
| 16:48.35 | karl_w_w | hey Fisker, I don't want to wait for our lives to be over |
| 16:48.46 | Fisker | I know |
| 16:49.33 | karl_w_w | I want to know right now what will it be? |
| 16:50.39 | Fisker | I choose death |
| 16:51.13 | karl_w_w | ooh, that just leaves more cake for the rest of us |
| 17:06.46 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/mem.png << yikes. |
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| 17:08.11 | nevcairiel | thats one large lua process |
| 17:11.38 | Semlar | neffi are you ready for windows 10 |
| 17:12.18 | TC-Work | I wonder how soon the 'Windows No' jokes will start. |
| 17:15.21 | Simca | as much as i hate this common analysis, it made me laugh: |
| 17:15.30 | Simca | "microsoft only releases a good OS every 2 versions right" |
| 17:15.33 | Simca | "so if 8 was terrible, then 9 would have to be good, but they can see into the future for the next OS and are correcting the problem ahead of time" |
| 17:19.55 | Fisker | Not to mention that they commonly disregard NT as part of that assumption |
| 17:20.01 | Fisker | Also what about 98 vs. 98se |
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| 17:25.17 | kd3 | WTF, a Tetris movie? Seriously? http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/not-a-joke-a-tetris-movie-is-being-made/ |
| 17:26.25 | Fisker | You know Mortal Kombat studio kind of went me go "Oh, right" |
| 17:26.30 | nevcairiel | they made a battleship movie, so go figure |
| 17:26.45 | Fisker | How will they translate tetris into the real world? |
| 17:27.36 | Mr_Rabies | the same way they did with battleship: cross promotion |
| 17:31.21 | kd3 | wait, what? windows 10? |
| 17:31.26 | kd3 | did I fall asleep and miss a few years? |
| 17:31.55 | Semlar | we're skipping 9 |
| 17:32.04 | Semlar | 9 is unlucky |
| 17:33.07 | Fisker | It's more because the digit 1 makes good sense with the "One" monicker they're going with |
| 17:33.24 | Fisker | I almost wish it would be Windows 1 |
| 17:33.35 | Fisker | So I could go around asking for solutions to problems with Windows 1 (1990) |
| 17:33.38 | Fisker | Or whenever it was |
| 17:33.55 | Fisker | 1985 |
| 17:34.06 | Semlar | it's windows 10 because 7 8 9 |
| 17:34.16 | Semlar | write that one down neffi |
| 17:34.34 | nevcairiel | what did 9 ever do to 7 |
| 17:36.17 | Simca | 6 is afraid of 7 because 7 8 10 |
| 17:36.37 | nevcairiel | that just doesnt have the same ring to it |
| 17:38.57 | Semlar | MSX |
| 17:40.30 | kd3 | so wait, both OS X and Windows are going to be called version 10... forever? |
| 17:41.05 | Semlar | yes, ten is the best number |
| 17:41.15 | Semlar | you can't go wrong with ten |
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| 17:57.45 | zenzelezz | don't be silly, OS X can't be OS X forever; eventually they'll run out of animals to name it after |
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| 17:58.09 | Semlar | they'll just invent new animals |
| 17:58.22 | zenzelezz | hm, true. The brand new iTiger |
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| 18:04.05 | TC-Work | iTigger. |
| 18:17.55 | Lopeppeppy | iRoo |
| 18:18.55 | Fisker | iNo :( |
| 18:22.11 | karl_w_w | http://www.sbs.com.au/food/recipes/hestons-cheese-toast-ice-cream cheese on toast ice cream then |
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| 18:33.58 | Ackis | when is the wow event that gives the doggy pet? |
| 18:34.20 | nevcairiel | later |
| 18:35.30 | TC-Work | Woof Woof motherfucker. |
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| 19:22.42 | foxlit | whatâs a reasonable file transfer speed between a Windows 7 and OS X machines on the same wireless network? |
| 19:23.35 | Semlar | i would think it depends on what the router is capable of |
| 19:23.36 | mikma | fast |
| 19:25.02 | foxlit | 7 MB/s seems kind of lame. |
| 19:25.54 | Semlar | is it a 54mbps router? |
| 19:26.12 | Semlar | or a gigabit router |
| 19:26.52 | Semlar | because that's about 54mbps |
| 19:27.20 | foxlit | thats >56mbps, and my impression is that the mbps quote is under optimal circumstances. |
| 19:27.50 | Semlar | i'm assuming 7MB/s is an estimate |
| 19:28.18 | Semlar | but if it's a gigabit router that's slow |
| 19:28.18 | foxlit | nope; itâs a rounded running average from rsync. |
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| 19:30.01 | kd3|hate`net | eh, I get ~5.5MB/s from my pi to my desktop via NFS over 802.11n, but that's because the pi can't go much faster than that |
| 19:30.07 | kd3|hate`net | what are you using to transfer files? smb? |
| 19:31.06 | foxlit | smb. |
| 19:34.40 | Neffi | <Semlar> write that one down neffi <- yes, fascinating |
| 19:34.43 | Neffi | scribbles furiously |
| 19:34.56 | Semlar | you had to be there neffi, it was classic |
| 19:35.09 | Neffi | I was building scaffolding |
| 19:35.14 | TC-Work | Classic Semlar....not a good thing. |
| 19:35.29 | Semlar | i disagree |
| 19:36.45 | Neffi | wait, they actually are calling it Windows 10? |
| 19:36.51 | kd3 | yes |
| 19:37.09 | Neffi | they need to fire the person coming up with names |
| 19:37.25 | Semlar | sorry |
| 19:37.47 | foxlit | Clearly they should focus on more important things. Like deciding what color should they paint their bikeshed. |
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| 19:37.55 | Neffi | one wonders how Semlar managed to get hired by Microsoft in the first place |
| 19:38.12 | Semlar | i felt they should distance themselves from 8 |
| 19:38.14 | Neffi | foxlit: ha! |
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| 19:38.32 | hackal_ | Hello |
| 19:38.39 | Neffi | hello |
| 19:39.05 | hackal_ | Is there a channel dedicated to battle net API and stuff around? |
| 19:40.25 | kd3 | not offhand - there's a forum specific to bnet api stuff, though http://us.battle.net/en/forum/15051532/ |
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| 20:09.03 | foxlit | so searching the internet shows that this isnât that uncommon of a problem, but one that isnât really solved by anything. |
| 20:21.48 | TC-Work | So stop using wireless? |
| 20:22.23 | TC-Work | Or see if there is a free version of Aspera |
| 20:22.50 | TC-Work | which does pure UDP transfers in shotgun like blasts. |
| 20:23.16 | Fisker | SMB is fully saturated here no problem foxlit |
| 20:23.41 | foxlit | the wireless link is claiming 450Mbit/s, so Iâm hesitant to think wires would solve this. |
| 20:24.00 | nevcairiel | dont trust the wifi |
| 20:25.17 | TC-Work | So don't see if it solves it, see if it changes. |
| 20:25.29 | TC-Work | It's all about testing. Use the wires. |
| 20:25.48 | TC-Work | Same advice goes for people starting with BDSM. |
| 20:26.07 | Simca | nice |
| 20:27.04 | foxlit | I donât actually have an ethernet port. |
| 20:28.04 | Fisker | So bsdm? |
| 20:28.04 | TC-Work | Can you try win/win or mac/mac? |
| 20:31.04 | Neffi | no ethernet port? what is it, a phone? |
| 20:31.07 | foxlit | not meaningfully. |
| 20:31.12 | TC-Work | mba is my guess. |
| 20:31.19 | TC-Work | or the new bmp's |
| 20:31.31 | TC-Work | since they got rid of the ethernet ports for some reason. |
| 20:31.45 | Mr_Rabies | throw out the toy and get a new one! |
| 20:31.54 | Mr_Rabies | that's what they want you to do! |
| 20:31.56 | Neffi | because reliable, wired connection is too mainstream? |
| 20:32.15 | Neffi | I kid. Apple makes terrific products |
| 20:32.33 | Mr_Rabies | they're good at convincing people they do, at least |
| 20:32.58 | Mr_Rabies | they're good at selling people expensive toys |
| 20:33.03 | Neffi | I used to hate on Apple then I realized something |
| 20:33.24 | Neffi | *everyone* makes terrible products. it's just a matter of being comfortable with a particular company's fuckery/design |
| 20:33.46 | Neffi | Windows sucks too, but I like it |
| 20:33.53 | Mr_Rabies | not everyone does, it's just a lot of companies follow apple's lead |
| 20:33.57 | Mr_Rabies | for some insane reason |
| 20:35.51 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: you're seriously wondering why companies are trying to emulate one of the most successful companies of the last decade? |
| 20:36.50 | Mr_Rabies | they're successful for a short period of time in a certain field |
| 20:37.05 | Mr_Rabies | basically riding that toy/fad market |
| 20:37.19 | Neffi | that's irrelevant |
| 20:37.24 | foxlit | so 7 -> 10 MB/s if I find an ethernet port and some wires. |
| 20:37.40 | Neffi | they're successful because they knew how to sell a product. people like selling products. apple found a winning recipe. other people want that recipe |
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| 20:44.10 | foxlit | Using a different protocol would perhaps be more interesting, but Iâm not sure what to get on the windows side. |
| 20:45.53 | Fisker | http is a good place to start |
| 20:46.09 | Semlar | i would think the file transfer protocol would be a good place to start |
| 20:46.28 | kd3 | isn't there an nfs client for windows? |
| 20:47.27 | Fisker | Can't you also just compile cygwin for Windows and then gitmerge the rubygem? |
| 20:48.14 | Arrowmaster | kd3: Services for Unix or whatever they renamed it to had one |
| 20:48.30 | Fisker | services for unix is discontinued |
| 20:48.50 | Fisker | mwuhahahaha |
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| 21:11.49 | foxlit | ⦠and http is roughly the same speed, so itâs probably not the protocol. |
| 21:11.57 | foxlit | which is disappointing. |
| 21:14.36 | TC-Work | Time for the ext. hdd. |
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| 21:24.55 | VIad | cards against humanity win combo |
| 21:25.10 | VIad | "Here is the church, here is the steeple. Open the doors, and there are ________." + "Two midgets shitting into a bucket." |
| 21:25.50 | Neffi | VIad: that's insensitive |
| 21:26.01 | VIad | ^ cards against humanity |
| 21:26.18 | kd3 | can we start panicking yet? that dallas patient has ebola |
| 21:26.23 | Neffi | also, I've seen better... but I would seriously not repeat them for fear of being shunned |
| 21:29.03 | VIad | it's a game |
| 21:29.22 | VIad | players make the sentences sound bad, not the cards individually :p |
| 21:29.25 | Neffi | VIad: I was just being silly |
| 21:29.32 | VIad | I figured so |
| 21:31.06 | Neffi | kd3: that's it, I'm booking a one-way ticket to Antarctica |
| 21:31.20 | foxlit | protip: you cannot survive in Antarctica. |
| 21:31.33 | karl_w_w | isnt it not easy to transmit ebola? |
| 21:31.53 | kd3 | contact with infected bodily fluids, it's not airborne/waterborne |
| 21:32.00 | kd3 | (yet) |
| 21:33.32 | Neffi | foxlit: says who? |
| 21:33.38 | foxlit | me. |
| 21:34.00 | Semlar | but.. there are research stations in antarctica |
| 21:34.27 | Neffi | as I understand it, there's a even a "town" now. granted, it's more like a big research collection |
| 21:34.34 | Neffi | but people do survive there |
| 21:35.12 | Semlar | the population is apparently between 1000 and 4000 people |
| 21:35.30 | foxlit | there are two ways you could read that statement: |
| 21:35.43 | foxlit | (i) *you specifically* cannot survive in Antarctica. |
| 21:35.59 | foxlit | (ii) people living in Antarctica canât survive in isolation if cut off from the rest of the world. |
| 21:36.07 | Neffi | I assume (i) was your intention and I chose to ignore it |
| 21:36.51 | Semlar | why on earth would 2 ever make sense |
| 21:37.09 | Semlar | people living almost anywhere couldn't survive in isolation |
| 21:37.40 | Neffi | it's a remove location with no useful resources to sustain a population, maybe? |
| 21:37.44 | Neffi | remote, rather |
| 21:37.47 | foxlit | food, heating. |
| 21:37.58 | Semlar | do you know how much of the country doesn't have local access to fresh water? |
| 21:38.01 | foxlit | youâve probably got better chances in a rainforest somewhere. |
| 21:38.02 | Neffi | those are solvable problems, though, now at least |
| 21:38.32 | Neffi | Semlar: I think trying to survive in Antarctica is *far more* extreme than trying to survive in a third-world country |
| 21:38.51 | Semlar | really? i would think if anything they have quite a lot more supplies on hand than a lot of people |
| 21:39.05 | Semlar | given an apocalyptic type event |
| 21:39.32 | Semlar | sure it's not a long term deal |
| 21:39.35 | foxlit | step 1 would be to get the hell off antactica. |
| 21:39.42 | Neffi | yeah |
| 21:39.50 | Neffi | you don't want to be stranded when your supplies dwindle |
| 21:40.05 | Neffi | best taking your chance in a populated area where you can hide out and venture for supplies when needed |
| 21:40.24 | Semlar | what, and compete with the zombies? |
| 21:40.43 | Semlar | i'll take my chances with the penguins |
| 21:40.52 | foxlit | penguins are real, though. |
| 21:41.31 | Neffi | yeah. Zombies I know I can deal with, because the whole thing is so ridiculous. Penguins on the other hand. They may try to peck my face off or whatever they do. I dont even know what they do. I'd be defenseless AND witless |
| 21:41.48 | Semlar | hmm, how do you think people would behave after getting cut off from food and water |
| 21:42.25 | Neffi | angry, then really sluggish, then they'd go to sleep permanently |
| 21:44.41 | Semlar | that just sounds like a typical afternoon |
| 21:45.52 | Neffi | ha |
| 21:49.34 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/JFzLa1Sp |
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| 21:55.21 | foxlit | ~30s over the wifi. Itâs a pity that I need the art as well, or this would actually be okay. |
| 21:58.37 | Gnarfoz_ | kd3: thanks for keeping me up to date via the diff mail, even if I don't have time to read mmoc! \o/ |
| 21:58.43 | Gnarfoz_ | ~hug kd3 |
| 21:58.44 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs kd3 |
| 21:58.58 | Gnarfoz_ | totally the wrong client now |
| 21:59.08 | kd3 | glad to be of use |
| 21:59.13 | Gnarfoz | testing testing |
| 21:59.32 | Gnarfoz | hm, can I cycle through channels in quassel somehow |
| 22:01.12 | Gnarfoz | hm, alt+arrows |
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| 22:16.49 | foxlit | > =loadfile("casc.cache.lua") >>> nilconstant table overflow |
| 22:18.38 | foxlit | And I dug up a to-Lua serializer just for that? :/ |
| 22:19.43 | Simca | even in the lowest level languages, parsing that data will not be fast |
| 22:20.12 | Simca | i'm sure it is only fast for blizzard because they did in C and then optimized the assembly |
| 22:20.22 | Simca | I definitely wouldn't recommend a lua approach |
| 22:21.30 | foxlit | well, itâs far too late for that. |
| 22:23.58 | foxlit | this really just means I need a binary cache format, because throwing all those 9-byte strings at the lua parser annoys it. |
| 22:25.43 | Stanzilla | new agent and bnet app is out btw |
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| 22:28.52 | foxlit | Simca: but which data do you actually mean? |
| 22:31.25 | Simca | building the table of filenames to namehashes to datahashes and parsing encoding/root |
| 22:32.34 | foxlit | meh, seconds. |
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| 22:40.43 | foxlit | roughly 0.15s for each index, 2.2s to parse encodings, 1.4s to parse root, 0.4s to parse filedata and negligible-compared-to-io time to compute a filename hash. |
| 23:07.31 | Simca | yeah the indexes aren't bad |
| 23:14.17 | Stanzilla | Starting on October 1, players who have not yet stepped foot into The Arachnid Quarter will have the option of accessing the Arachnid Quarter for gold or real money. |
| 23:14.20 | Stanzilla | are they for real |
| 23:16.30 | fewyn | yes |
| 23:16.38 | fewyn | they've said this since before it launched Stanzilla |
| 23:16.50 | fewyn | that it was only free for a limited time |
| 23:16.57 | Stanzilla | still pretty greedy, also bad for attracting new players |
| 23:16.59 | fewyn | if you enter it though now |
| 23:17.05 | fewyn | it's still will be free after |
| 23:17.14 | Stanzilla | I know |
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