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| 01:27.24 | Simca | anyone done LFR on PTR or Beta recently? |
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| 02:37.02 | kd3 | Gah! I get a mount off Coren DIrebrew and it's the mount I already have. Damn it. |
| 03:31.44 | Mr_Rabies | phew |
| 03:31.48 | Mr_Rabies | AWA was awesome |
| 03:31.57 | Mr_Rabies | did you go, kd3? probably should have asked before i went :v |
| 03:32.08 | kd3 | nah, didn't have the time this year. :( |
| 03:32.14 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 03:32.15 | Mr_Rabies | it was neat |
| 03:32.31 | Mr_Rabies | got my gundam: the origin signed by Tohru Furuya |
| 03:32.37 | Mr_Rabies | went to a MIQ concert |
| 03:32.39 | kd3 | ooh |
| 03:33.05 | Semlar | neffi broke wowi |
| 03:33.53 | Neffi | yes, it was me. i couldnt help myself |
| 03:34.52 | Mr_Rabies | also a kanjos and SHS concert :v |
| 03:36.48 | Neffi | my computer fan sounds like it's trying to escape its bonds and go on a murderous rampage o.o |
| 03:38.08 | Mr_Rabies | i came back from AWA with a sweltering room |
| 03:38.13 | Mr_Rabies | i turned my AC up since i was gonna be out of town |
| 03:38.19 | Mr_Rabies | 1) spider webs everywhere |
| 03:38.25 | Mr_Rabies | 2) like a swamp in my room |
| 03:38.37 | Mr_Rabies | it was like, 3 days out of town, calm down spiders |
| 03:38.48 | Mr_Rabies | don't reclaim my shit that quickly, i still function |
| 03:39.35 | Semlar | sounds like you got a hole in your house |
| 03:39.36 | Neffi | where do you live, Aurstralia? |
| 03:39.41 | Neffi | also I cannot spell |
| 03:40.03 | Neffi | Semlar: the fan's getting worse. help. it's gonna eat me |
| 03:40.05 | Mr_Rabies | georgia (the state) |
| 03:40.18 | Semlar | press on the center of the fan neffi |
| 03:40.21 | Mr_Rabies | not the uh, eastern bloc country |
| 03:40.24 | Mr_Rabies | or whatever |
| 03:40.25 | Neffi | not that kinda fan |
| 03:40.35 | Mr_Rabies | lick the fan while it's spinning |
| 03:40.38 | Mr_Rabies | clean off the dust |
| 03:40.42 | Mr_Rabies | will work like it's brand new |
| 03:40.43 | Semlar | a ceiling fan? |
| 03:40.56 | Semlar | it's probably off balance |
| 03:41.01 | Mr_Rabies | from dust |
| 03:41.24 | Semlar | i think that would take a lot of dust |
| 03:41.27 | Neffi | it's this fan, Semlar http://contentinjection.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/best-quality-honeywell-fans.jpg |
| 03:41.31 | Semlar | and fans practically dust themselves |
| 03:41.45 | Semlar | alright well you have to take it apart |
| 03:41.47 | Neffi | it's reponsible for keeping my computer from overheating while gaming. and it sounds like it's real tired of doing that |
| 03:42.10 | Semlar | tighten everything up and see if it works |
| 03:42.55 | Neffi | well I see now why it's struggling. apparently fans *don't* dust themselves. god it's awful inside there |
| 03:43.11 | Semlar | well i thought you were talking about a ceiling fan |
| 03:43.36 | Semlar | why do you need something like this to keep your computer from overheating |
| 03:43.45 | Mr_Rabies | i have one of those |
| 03:43.50 | Mr_Rabies | they collect dust like you wouldn't believe |
| 03:44.20 | Neffi | Semlar: because this thing doesnt have adequate cooling capability to handle its own igp |
| 03:44.31 | Mr_Rabies | the leading edge of the blades eventually looks like you have mice taking a ride on them |
| 03:44.37 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: yeah, but this is a damn good fan |
| 03:44.40 | Mr_Rabies | is it a laptop? |
| 03:44.44 | Neffi | yeah, it is |
| 03:44.46 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, they're not bad for non-vornados |
| 03:44.51 | Mr_Rabies | get thyself a cooling stand |
| 03:44.54 | Neffi | I rotate the fan upwards and lay the laptop on top like a stand |
| 03:44.59 | Mr_Rabies | (or make one) |
| 03:45.13 | Neffi | my vornado was way too loud for only slightly more airflow, so I swapped it for this thing |
| 03:45.32 | Semlar | neffiiiiiii get a real computer already.. |
| 03:45.33 | Mr_Rabies | i'd recommend getting one with a couple standard 120mm+ fans in it you can replace if you want |
| 03:45.34 | Neffi | <Mr_Rabies> (or make one) <- that's precisely what I did by turning a fan upwards |
| 03:45.44 | Neffi | Semlar: buy me one :D |
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| 05:49.05 | Jamash | Learning Aid 1.12.0 Alpha 5 go! |
| 05:49.35 | Jamash | My ceiling fan is dusty as hell |
| 05:50.37 | Jamash | You should use an air duster or compressed air to blow the dust out of laptops every few months, they collect dust quite rapidly. |
| 05:53.55 | Neffi | I did, not too long ago when I was replacing the exist thermal paste with good stuff. Didn't help it stay under 100C when the GPU is under load |
| 05:54.16 | Neffi | in fact the improvement was *just enough* to stop it from throttling |
| 05:58.56 | Constie_ | Reminded me of this: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Thermal-Compound-Roundup-October-2011/1396/5 |
| 05:59.50 | Neffi | "chocolate" |
| 05:59.53 | Neffi | :) |
| 06:07.47 | Semlar | throttles neffi |
| 06:08.13 | Thunder_Child | You saying Neffi is too hot? |
| 06:08.44 | Neffi | that's exactly right |
| 06:09.02 | Constie | Also lipstick and mayonnaise. |
| 06:11.11 | Thunder_Child | I am kinda disturbed how well mayo did. |
| 06:11.43 | Neffi | but the smell man |
| 06:12.15 | Thunder_Child | Not sure you would be able to smell it. |
| 06:12.42 | Semlar | you'd smell your processor fry after it burned through that mayo |
| 06:13.13 | Thunder_Child | Nope, you would just get lots of reboots as it triggered the failsafe. |
| 06:14.49 | Thunder_Child | This is also 2011, I can only imagine that mayo has gotten better since then. |
| 06:15.22 | Semlar | i don't believe mayonnaise technology has made significant advancements in the past 3 years |
| 06:15.40 | Neffi | lol |
| 06:15.43 | Semlar | i may have a jar of mayo from 2011 in my refrigerator |
| 06:15.51 | Neffi | throw that away, Semlar |
| 06:15.55 | Semlar | it's probably still good neffi |
| 06:15.56 | Thunder_Child | Maybe they were focusing more on heat transfer instead of taste. |
| 06:17.26 | Fisker | a |
| 06:18.01 | Thunder_Child | b |
| 06:18.57 | Neffi | z |
| 06:19.51 | Fisker | :( |
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| 06:31.49 | Fisker | oh no might lose my internets |
| 06:33.07 | Neffi | :( |
| 07:10.34 | Alram | dont leave me Fisker |
| 07:10.45 | Fisker | I have |
| 07:10.53 | Alram | no |
| 07:10.54 | Alram | D: |
| 07:10.58 | Fisker | On a phone ;( |
| 07:12.16 | Fisker | At least they will mail us updates |
| 07:12.32 | Fisker | Which is nice when you have internet |
| 07:13.55 | Semlar | neffi what order are the modifier keys for bindings, ALT-CTRL-SHIFT? |
| 07:14.58 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it's alphabetical |
| 07:16.01 | Fisker | It's back Alram |
| 07:17.33 | Alram | welcome back |
| 07:19.33 | Neffi | Semlar: yes |
| 07:30.29 | foxlit | http://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:1eaf433880c62869b5182790d8c08286-reads << spot the infinite loop. |
| 07:31.26 | foxlit | (and because youâre not looking at the code, the spoiler is that it involves a ârepeat ⦠until not someLocalThatsNowAGlobalReferenceâ) |
| 07:34.49 | Neffi | I guess `icon` would be too obvious? |
| 07:35.18 | foxlit | icon is correct. |
| 07:35.40 | Neffi | your coloring scheme makes it nice and obvious |
| 07:35.51 | Neffi | I really like this tool by the way |
| 07:36.25 | foxlit | hurray! :) |
| 07:36.33 | nevcairiel | is it just me, or does the coloring not work properly |
| 07:36.40 | nevcairiel | it doesnt color stuff i upload :( |
| 07:36.49 | foxlit | your stuff is tagged 60000 |
| 07:36.55 | foxlit | (probably) |
| 07:37.01 | nevcairiel | thats what i developed it for! |
| 07:37.05 | nevcairiel | get with the times! |
| 07:37.26 | foxlit | ExportInterfaceFiles is broken, Iâm refusing to be pragamatic about it. |
| 07:37.37 | foxlit | s/gam/gm/ |
| 07:38.55 | foxlit | (though itâs a sad balance: I actually ran the previous zip through this, and having tagged it 60000, didnât get the coloring, and didnât spot the icon.) |
| 07:40.53 | nevcairiel | so, we better hope they fix it until 6.0 live, or we can burry your tool alive? |
| 07:42.18 | foxlit | (thereâs also no 6.0 on /framexml for the same reason) |
| 07:46.21 | Alram | or just make the tool extract the files itself so you dont have to rely on blizz |
| 07:47.07 | foxlit | Iâll put that on my list, somewhere below âReimplement FrameXML so that itâs not tainted by sneezing at it.â |
| 07:47.15 | Alram | or well, to not rely on the exportinterfacefiles command |
| 07:50.46 | foxlit | Alram: somehow I donât think implementing a mechanism to read their disk storage format is entirely reasonable for addon development. |
| 07:51.08 | Alram | you can offload that part to casclib probably :D |
| 07:51.15 | Alram | but yeah, its a lot of effort |
| 07:51.17 | foxlit | (iirc it also has no file list, so how would you even know which paths are in framexml to begin wtih?) |
| 07:51.32 | nevcairiel | you can extract that from one database file, iirc |
| 07:51.37 | nevcairiel | yeah, more effort :P |
| 07:52.27 | Alram | most if not all interface files are in dbc |
| 07:52.36 | Alram | so listfile isnt a problem |
| 07:52.54 | foxlit | âmost"? |
| 07:53.01 | Kalroth | moist? |
| 07:53.03 | Alram | yeah i cant be sure but its probablly all |
| 07:53.14 | Alram | otherwise how would the client find the files :v |
| 07:53.22 | Fisker | also morning foxlit :O |
| 07:53.25 | Kalroth | hardcode them! |
| 07:53.49 | Alram | then filenames are even easier to get |
| 07:53.50 | Alram | :D |
| 07:54.04 | foxlit | scale of reasonableness: |
| 07:55.09 | foxlit | remove the damn basename()-equivalent from C ââââ find someone elseâs exported stuff on github ââââââââââââââââââââ implement CASC, disasamble their executable to find FrameXML loading logic, steal that. |
| 07:56.02 | Alram | yeah tom_rus keeps his github up to date i think |
| 08:02.54 | foxlit | in some ways thatâs a negative. |
| 08:03.24 | foxlit | if 3rd parties didnât publish exports obtained through unofficial tools, the export bug wouldâve been fixed the week after it was introduced. Instead we get this misery. |
| 08:03.39 | nevcairiel | you might think so |
| 08:03.43 | nevcairiel | but probably not |
| 08:05.39 | Alram | yeah i dont think thats a correct assumption |
| 08:06.11 | foxlit | and why not? |
| 08:06.33 | Alram | putting way too much faith in blizzard |
| 08:06.39 | nevcairiel | since w hen does blizzard care :D |
| 08:06.41 | Alram | they are already crunching to get WoD released on time |
| 08:06.45 | foxlit | They already had to âfixâ export once this beta cycle, which got us this half-broken version. |
| 08:07.08 | Alram | expecting them to put more time into fixing something only a margin of the playerbase uses, meh |
| 08:07.29 | Alram | maybe they will but i cant imagine its on top of their priority list |
| 08:07.51 | foxlit | The fact that *they already tried* makes âbut they donât caaaaareâ ring hollow to me. |
| 08:08.13 | Alram | they tried but failed :p |
| 08:08.38 | Neffi | didn't try too hard? |
| 08:10.07 | Alram | these are all files with "interface" in them in from one dbc http://marlamin.com/u/filedata_interface.txt |
| 08:10.18 | Alram | i think there are 3 more dbcs with interface filenames but effort |
| 08:10.43 | Alram | automating this wouldnt be so hard |
| 08:11.44 | foxlit | Excellent. Can I expect your Lua implementation for exporting interface code/art tomorrow? :) |
| 08:11.57 | Alram | nah, lua is terrible |
| 08:11.58 | Alram | no thanks :D |
| 08:12.23 | Alram | but someone should probably check if any important interface files are missing from that, would be interesting to know if that dbc has them all |
| 08:14.33 | Stanzilla | Simca: you were doing a fixed up version of MSBT, right? |
| 08:15.19 | foxlit | so, for fantasy reasons, is there a reasonable version of the CASC spec somewhere? |
| 08:15.40 | Alram | probably not! |
| 08:15.57 | Stanzilla | casc itself is not very reasonable atm |
| 08:16.01 | Alram | ladik and tom have an implementation, but no documentation |
| 08:17.03 | Alram | not even the battle.net client handles casc properly |
| 08:17.11 | Alram | :D |
| 08:18.13 | Stanzilla | the casc hate is real |
| 08:18.26 | Alram | meh, its fun |
| 08:18.33 | Alram | keeps the datamining fresh. |
| 08:18.35 | Stanzilla | for whom |
| 08:18.54 | Alram | the people that like digging into this kind of stuff |
| 08:20.21 | Stanzilla | I loved the little note it had in the files |
| 08:20.22 | karl_w_w | what does it mean on an iphone when there's a little working symbol at the top next to the wifi signal indicator? |
| 08:20.24 | Stanzilla | aimed at dataminers |
| 08:20.41 | Alram | karl_w_w, its unbending your phone |
| 08:21.20 | karl_w_w | oh ok |
| 08:27.28 | karl_w_w | thankfully it's not my phone |
| 08:27.58 | karl_w_w | if it was, it wouldn't still have the protective film on it |
| 08:28.02 | karl_w_w | it's a 4s |
| 08:45.46 | nevcairiel | hey foxlit, have you heard of a new kind of protected frames in the beta? |
| 08:46.07 | nevcairiel | I cannot even call ServicesLogoutPopup:IsProtected() without getting an error from the game due to being tainted |
| 08:47.23 | foxlit | thatâs very likely 5.4, not beta. |
| 08:47.35 | nevcairiel | never saw such a thing in 5.4 |
| 08:48.15 | foxlit | not looking very closely, then. The widget method youâre looking for is IsForbidden. |
| 08:48.34 | nevcairiel | ah i can call that |
| 08:49.27 | nevcairiel | weird that it only started showing up in the beta then |
| 08:49.29 | nevcairiel | but oh well |
| 08:49.30 | nevcairiel | thanks |
| 08:50.52 | foxlit | itâs mostly the in-game store UI. |
| 08:53.19 | mitch0 | foxlit: thanks bro |
| 08:53.36 | foxlit | moo? |
| 08:53.58 | mitch0 | foxlit: re: IsForbidden() |
| 09:04.58 | Semlar | forbids foxlit |
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| 09:32.31 | zenzelezz | "[...] brand new level 25 guild after 7 days we are already above 650 members [...] we rarely have under 10 players online [...]" |
| 09:32.42 | zenzelezz | doesn't quite sound very appealing to me |
| 09:33.16 | nevcairiel | wonder if this will really stop with 6.0, when cash flow goes away |
| 09:33.31 | nevcairiel | they might still hope to get the dungeon and scenario gold bounties |
| 09:34.43 | nebula169 | caps pretty low doesn't it? would only be like a few hundred gold a week |
| 09:40.37 | Stanzilla | hate the guild changes |
| 09:40.40 | Stanzilla | want my movement speed back |
| 09:41.48 | nevcairiel | mount speed should still be present |
| 09:41.56 | nevcairiel | just for every guild, no level requirements |
| 09:42.08 | nevcairiel | they made some old perks baseline |
| 09:42.21 | Stanzilla | nah it's missing |
| 09:42.25 | Stanzilla | also flght path speed |
| 09:42.31 | nevcairiel | it was still there when i tested a bit ago |
| 09:42.44 | nevcairiel | lets see if that char is still in its guild |
| 09:44.34 | nevcairiel | 210% mounted, seems like its still there |
| 09:44.36 | Stanzilla | MysticalOS: |
| 09:44.39 | Stanzilla | made a post about it |
| 09:44.40 | nevcairiel | Mount Up also shows in the spell book |
| 09:45.04 | nevcairiel | you know what i think about him :P |
| 09:45.12 | nevcairiel | i confirmed myself, thats far more reliable! |
| 09:45.31 | Stanzilla | I dont remember details |
| 09:45.53 | Stanzilla | is it teh same percentage then? |
| 09:45.59 | nevcairiel | taxi speed is no passive anymore or anything, they just made the taxis faster in general |
| 09:46.20 | nevcairiel | i have 210% speed mounted in the beta while in a guild, what it say on live? |
| 09:47.11 | nevcairiel | cant login on live <.< |
| 09:47.19 | Stanzilla | same |
| 09:47.29 | Stanzilla | fk |
| 09:47.42 | nevcairiel | mass res, mobile banking, guild mail, all still present |
| 09:47.47 | nevcairiel | what seems missing is the reputation bonus |
| 09:49.18 | nevcairiel | i'm just sad that blizzard is so annoying about the druids travel form |
| 09:49.27 | nevcairiel | i can make it run at mount speed, but then i have to look like a damn stag |
| 09:49.29 | Stanzilla | there should be a glyph for that |
| 09:49.35 | Stanzilla | oh that |
| 09:49.47 | nevcairiel | or i can look like a cheetah, but then i'm s lower |
| 09:49.50 | nevcairiel | why not allow both <.< |
| 09:49.56 | Constie | If you're not comfortable with looking dumb, you shouldn't be playing a Druid anyway. |
| 09:50.15 | Stanzilla | did you /bug it? |
| 09:50.16 | nevcairiel | we used to be a cheetah for years and years, why did they ever change the default look |
| 09:50.25 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: yeah, but it s eems intentional |
| 09:50.57 | Stanzilla | why? |
| 09:51.20 | nevcairiel | its not like it just doesn't work, the glyphs have an explicit comment in them that they are exclusive |
| 09:51.29 | nevcairiel | but i submitted the bug anyway, not like its doing any good |
| 09:52.42 | Stanzilla | probably just a lone guy in a corner reading them |
| 09:54.02 | nevcairiel | i'm kinda low on minor glyphs anyway, need the falling damage reduction in any case, and as moonkin the stars glyph, so 2 travel form glyphs would be too much |
| 09:54.09 | nevcairiel | which is why i hate that they made stag the default look |
| 09:54.19 | nevcairiel | it used to be a glyph! |
| 09:54.20 | Stanzilla | glyphs are retarded in 6.0 anyway |
| 09:54.28 | Stanzilla | the you can only touch a spell once system sucks |
| 09:54.42 | nevcairiel | guess thats the shit with the exclusive travel form glyphs |
| 09:54.50 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 09:55.10 | Stanzilla | they are just too lazy to balance all combinations |
| 09:55.27 | nevcairiel | i should test the flapping owl glyph, that must be ridicoulus |
| 09:55.47 | nevcairiel | flapping the wings in moonkin form to slow fall speed :P |
| 09:56.19 | MysticalOS | I did a ton of mount speed testing, yes they made 10% gulid perk baseline, but it's additive, not multiplicitive |
| 09:56.31 | MysticalOS | 410 becomes 420 on beta. not 451 like it does on live |
| 09:56.34 | nevcairiel | all speed enhancements changed like this, didnt they |
| 09:56.39 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 09:56.43 | MysticalOS | it literally only adds 10%, not 41% (10% of 410) |
| 09:56.58 | MysticalOS | paladins are 430 now, not 492 |
| 09:57.15 | MysticalOS | taxi's are MUCH slower |
| 09:57.22 | MysticalOS | even though they added 25% into the baseline |
| 09:57.30 | nevcairiel | but thats not a change to guild things, thats just how speed is calculated |
| 09:57.35 | MysticalOS | right |
| 09:57.38 | MysticalOS | they didn't remove the guild perks |
| 09:57.39 | nevcairiel | they had a long explanation somewhere |
| 09:57.44 | MysticalOS | they are baseline now |
| 09:57.53 | MysticalOS | it's the calculation change that's a huge nerf |
| 09:57.53 | nevcairiel | some of them anyway |
| 09:58.02 | MysticalOS | yes some are removed |
| 09:58.04 | MysticalOS | vendor perk gone |
| 09:58.11 | MysticalOS | prices are all up 10%, no baseline change |
| 09:58.18 | MysticalOS | rep perk gone |
| 09:58.21 | nevcairiel | in consequence some more speed things stack now tho, since they don't blow up anymore |
| 09:58.42 | MysticalOS | yes, it may be a net buff to stacking speed buffs in raids |
| 09:58.49 | MysticalOS | but it's a heavy handed nerf to mounts and taxi's |
| 09:59.11 | nevcairiel | they can just make taxis faster again if the consider them too slow, but in draenor i didnt get that feeling in any case |
| 09:59.43 | MysticalOS | i felt them as slow. but yes no timed comparison of before and after, not like pandaria or older world |
| 10:00.11 | MysticalOS | draenor taxi's fly slower but the paths aren't as goofy routed, well minus the buggy ones |
| 10:00.38 | zenzelezz | do they zig-zag between zones? |
| 10:00.56 | MysticalOS | they are a bit more direct, but there are some buggy ones they fix case by case if they are reported in the thread |
| 10:00.57 | zenzelezz | "Entering Elwyn" "Entering Duskwood" "Entering Elwyn" ... |
| 10:01.25 | nevcairiel | the flight path doesnt zigzag exactly, it just sometimes flys on the border of the zones |
| 10:01.49 | zenzelezz | true |
| 10:02.02 | MysticalOS | some of flights are still a little scenic and not direct. what warlords kind of changes is there are more connections, so you don't for example have to fly through C just go from A to B |
| 10:02.12 | MysticalOS | A connects directly to B and you don't have to go through C for no good reason |
| 10:02.55 | MysticalOS | something that's always been a bit annoying. because they didn't make connections for all points, so you often in old world-pandaria have to fly pointlessly to extra points |
| 10:03.42 | nevcairiel | once you fly pretty long distances, thats to be expected |
| 10:03.43 | foxlit | did I mention my undying love for gw2 yet? |
| 10:03.52 | MysticalOS | WoD doesn't seem to eliminate that since sometimes direct is not so clean (mountains or whatever) but there are a lot more direct paths |
| 10:04.32 | nevcairiel | they seem to have direct path between your garrison and your outputs, which at least lets you get around to the other zones pretty quickly |
| 10:04.39 | nevcairiel | outposts* |
| 10:05.02 | foxlit | (in this case, Waypoints >> gryphons. Screw the scenic flight routes; playing a game > watching gryphon flap wings) |
| 10:06.03 | MysticalOS | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14610150945 was the forum post I made. I hope blizzard makes the adjustments needed to correct mount speed but in 6.0? not going to happen. At the very least taxi's, since they are unmodded by character additive bonuses so to get them back up to mop speeds they simply have to tweak numbers. as for mounts. well one can hope but I bet blizzard wants them slower |
| 10:06.10 | Stanzilla | blizzard would probably make that annoying by adding a video sequence |
| 10:06.27 | nevcairiel | wow trys to avoid sucht things that are not explained by some lore, which means teleports without context are unlikely to be something they would consider |
| 10:06.40 | nevcairiel | in WoD you can use the waygates if you want to avoid flying about |
| 10:06.44 | foxlit | The game literally has wizards. |
| 10:07.26 | foxlit | and inns. Port-to-visited-inn-from-anywhere sounds reasonable. |
| 10:07.30 | nevcairiel | MysticalOS: mount speed seems intentional |
| 10:07.34 | MysticalOS | travel in WoD is not my largest concern. it's rest of game seeing a 70-77% decrease in taxi speed |
| 10:08.06 | MysticalOS | my afks going from archaeology dig site a and B will be a few minutes longer! |
| 10:08.08 | nevcairiel | thats really a misleading statement |
| 10:08.20 | MysticalOS | it's not misleading in the thread |
| 10:08.26 | MysticalOS | i see how that came out wrong here |
| 10:08.26 | nevcairiel | going from 475 to 405 is not what people would usually express as 70% reduction :p |
| 10:08.44 | foxlit | could you instead phrase it as a % increase in taxi time? |
| 10:08.59 | MysticalOS | I want to collect some taxi times i just haven't gotten around to it yet |
| 10:09.01 | foxlit | If a taxi took 1 minute pre-whatever, how long does it take after whatever? |
| 10:09.13 | MysticalOS | some local cases like maybe going from shrine to timeless isle |
| 10:09.20 | MysticalOS | and extreme cases like going from hyjal to tanaris |
| 10:09.30 | MysticalOS | compare time diffs live vs 6.c |
| 10:09.31 | foxlit | that is related but not quite what I asked. |
| 10:09.33 | MysticalOS | 6.x |
| 10:09.42 | foxlit | reciprocal of the speed would suffice. |
| 10:09.52 | Stanzilla | I just want my movementspeed enchant on boots back |
| 10:09.59 | MysticalOS | yeah |
| 10:10.05 | MysticalOS | going to miss that 8% swim |
| 10:10.20 | Stanzilla | you can actually feel it in raids |
| 10:10.25 | MysticalOS | true |
| 10:10.30 | nevcairiel | they changed how speed interacts because of such enchants, and they even have a tertiary stat with movement speed, do they not? or was that scraped? |
| 10:10.32 | MysticalOS | but swimming holy crap you really feel it |
| 10:10.48 | MysticalOS | i remember recommending paladins get boot enchant despite their natural RUN speed, for heroic nef progression |
| 10:10.54 | MysticalOS | because you could move through the lava faster |
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| 10:10.58 | MysticalOS | ONLY with that enchant |
| 10:11.13 | nevcairiel | i'm a druid, i can swim fast anyway! |
| 10:11.28 | Stanzilla | I dont care abotu that, I just wantto dodge mechanics faster |
| 10:11.35 | MysticalOS | druids were always broken on nef, i remember our resto druid being the one who'd switch platforms if a healer died |
| 10:11.37 | MysticalOS | :) |
| 10:11.44 | nevcairiel | we just rocked |
| 10:12.01 | MysticalOS | stanzilla, chance classes :P |
| 10:12.13 | Stanzilla | I'm not even sure which class I am |
| 10:12.23 | MysticalOS | you can't go wrong with hunter in WoD |
| 10:12.32 | Stanzilla | yea |
| 10:12.33 | MysticalOS | or resto druid |
| 10:12.38 | MysticalOS | do all the things, while moving! |
| 10:12.44 | Stanzilla | mage is also tempting |
| 10:12.54 | MysticalOS | no trains or stampers or other things going to stop you |
| 10:13.43 | nevcairiel | the big cloak enchants add 10% movement speed in WoD |
| 10:13.47 | nevcairiel | there, you can be happy! |
| 10:13.59 | Stanzilla | could not find those on wowhead |
| 10:14.02 | Stanzilla | nor ingame |
| 10:14.08 | MysticalOS | think those are gone |
| 10:14.37 | nevcairiel | http://wod.wowhead.com/spell=158884 |
| 10:14.51 | nevcairiel | wowhead still has them at least |
| 10:15.01 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 10:15.05 | Stanzilla | I stopped looking at the name |
| 10:15.11 | Stanzilla | didnt think they would do double enchants |
| 10:15.23 | nevcairiel | for cloaks its a bit weird |
| 10:15.29 | nevcairiel | the smaller one also a dds 100 stat |
| 10:15.32 | MysticalOS | well, they removed boot enchants |
| 10:15.35 | nevcairiel | and the bigger one just adds movement speed |
| 10:15.54 | nevcairiel | for all the other slots, its one stat and it just increases with the bigger enchant |
| 10:16.26 | nevcairiel | interesting, they removed essences |
| 10:16.29 | MysticalOS | i wish they'd put that on the vendor for raid testing. Not sure what's going on with that yet. seems weird to omit it from vendor knowing that'd definitely the one all raiders will use |
| 10:16.44 | MysticalOS | maybe it won't go live at all. who knows. in game files doesn't mean ingame |
| 10:17.20 | nevcairiel | the recipes are on the vendor right now at least |
| 10:17.30 | MysticalOS | for that enchant? |
| 10:17.43 | nevcairiel | if you are enchanter and have the enchanting building, the vendor will sell you the recipe |
| 10:18.00 | MysticalOS | going to want to test it out if i can track down anyone with it |
| 10:18.19 | nevcairiel | dunno if anyone really skills profs on the beta, but someone is probably crazy enough |
| 10:18.51 | Stanzilla | perculia :D |
| 10:18.53 | MysticalOS | guide writers might. or perculia. |
| 10:19.14 | MysticalOS | poor perc leveled fishing from 1 to 700 |
| 10:19.27 | Stanzilla | its her job |
| 10:19.28 | Stanzilla | its fine |
| 10:19.37 | MysticalOS | yeah....but man is fishing boring |
| 10:20.03 | Stanzilla | you get money for clickign every ~20sek |
| 10:20.09 | MysticalOS | blizz should take some tips from Breath of fire 3 or something and make fishing a bit more interactive :) |
| 10:20.33 | nevcairiel | can you c opy one of your own chars to the 100 realm and have it boosted to 100? :d |
| 10:20.40 | Stanzilla | no |
| 10:21.10 | nevcairiel | too bad! |
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| 11:49.41 | foxlit | eh, so which one of the dozen files in Data/config should I actually be reading? |
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| 12:23.05 | zenzelezz | well now, this must be the best guild invite spam I've gotten so far... just a tell with the name of the guild |
| 12:23.43 | Kalroth | u join?? pls r u heel? can join!! |
| 12:27.55 | Constie | When I was new to WoW I didn't know what Ventrilo was, so when guild recruiters advertised having a vent channel I thought they meant a chat channel for venting frustration about the game. |
| 12:28.46 | Kalroth | that's still a pretty apt description for voice comms |
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| 12:29.07 | Constie | That is true. |
| 12:29.22 | Kalroth | hello Lopeppeppypyppyypyppy |
| 12:29.35 | Fisker | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:30.14 | Kalroth | tackles Fisker |
| 12:31.00 | Fisker | Not possible |
| 12:31.19 | foxlit | ⦠and now I have a book that physically references pixivIDs. |
| 12:31.24 | zenzelezz | protip: if you're going to pay Youtube to show your five-minute ad on videos, at least make the music volume lower than the voice, so it's actually possible to hear what's being said |
| 12:32.23 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Kalroth. |
| 12:32.34 | zenzelezz | ohai peppy! |
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| 12:44.59 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, zenzelezz! |
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| 13:11.43 | Lopeppeppy | Socks are an abomination. Discuss. |
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| 13:22.21 | Kalroth | Not all socks .. |
| 13:23.04 | Kalroth | I find that knee socks on scantily clad women are quite okay! |
| 13:29.09 | zenzelezz | SOCKS can be useful |
| 13:37.06 | Kalroth | only 5 or higher tho |
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| 13:48.02 | Lopeppeppy | Socks are for strangling ankles. |
| 13:52.17 | Kalroth | poor ankles, isn't the high heel torture enough |
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| 14:05.11 | Lopeppeppy | I don't wear heels for that very reason, Kalroth. Unless I'm dressing to kill someone. |
| 14:05.48 | Fisker | Double-Opeppy |
| 14:08.29 | Lopeppeppy | Bond. Jane Bond. |
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| 15:00.09 | karl_w_w | how do i turn things into pdf without installing smelling things on my pc? :( |
| 15:02.48 | karl_w_w | ok lets trust some random website |
| 15:03.24 | g0urra | turn like what into pdf? |
| 15:03.34 | g0urra | search for cutepdf, it installs a pdf printer |
| 15:04.19 | karl_w_w | yeah, don't really want to do that though |
| 15:04.38 | g0urra | why not |
| 15:05.44 | karl_w_w | don't want to install something just to convert 1 file |
| 15:11.01 | Constie | I think you could copy and paste into a Google Drive document and download as PDF, if that's any better. |
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| 15:18.55 | Jamash | Wazzzaaap? |
| 15:19.27 | karl_w_w | ribbit |
| 15:37.30 | Fisker | Noooooooo |
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| 15:46.59 | Lopeppeppy | Mischief managed! |
| 15:49.30 | karl_w_w | where have you been Lopeppeppy? |
| 15:50.01 | Lopeppeppy | I needed to re-arrange my office, karl_w_w. I don't much like how it's configured, but it's done. |
| 15:50.17 | karl_w_w | uh-huh, a likely story |
| 15:51.15 | Fisker | arranges Lopeppeppy into a box |
| 15:54.19 | Simca | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.12 | Simca | Usage: SetTrainerServiceTypeFilter(\"type\", on/off [, exclusive]) |
| 15:56.23 | Simca | oh god this is awful |
| 15:56.37 | Simca | _G.GetTrainerServiceTypeFilter("available") returns true/false |
| 15:57.03 | Simca | _G.SetTrainerServiceTypeFilter("available", on/off) only accepts 1/0 |
| 15:57.07 | Jamash | file a bug |
| 15:58.41 | Simca | yeah i guess |
| 15:58.57 | Simca | we're too close to release though, they likely won't do anything about it for 6 months or so |
| 15:59.18 | Simca | it'd be smarter to save the complaint for 5 months and post it right at the beginning of a patch cycle |
| 15:59.38 | Simca | if I post it now, it will be the very, very bottom of the bug list and never get looked at again |
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| 16:12.00 | Jamash | Simca: post it now and again in 5 months |
| 16:15.03 | znf | I have 2 OnePlus One (64GB) invites to give away. Anyone interested? |
| 16:24.05 | TC-Work | An invite to buy a product? huh. |
| 16:24.33 | nevcairiel | its their evil marketing way to hype it up |
| 16:24.36 | nevcairiel | severly limit it |
| 16:25.24 | haste | I would have bought one earlier, but the invite thingy stopped me from doing it |
| 16:25.31 | haste | so I just made work order a nexus 5 |
| 16:25.42 | nevcairiel | didnt i send you a N5 |
| 16:25.49 | haste | yes, but it had the GPS issue |
| 16:25.57 | nevcairiel | no replacements? |
| 16:26.00 | haste | and they refused to fix it without me sending it back to you :D |
| 16:26.06 | nevcairiel | annoying |
| 16:26.22 | haste | so I gave it to my sister and bought one through work now that we have play store |
| 16:26.36 | haste | "everybody" wins :3 |
| 16:26.49 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 16:26.52 | Arrowmaster | except your sister when she wants to use gps |
| 16:27.02 | nevcairiel | i dont even know what the "gps issue" entails |
| 16:27.05 | haste | the GPS still works |
| 16:27.11 | haste | but it uses some time to get lock |
| 16:27.17 | haste | and doesn't really get a proper one |
| 16:27.29 | Arrowmaster | oh you should be able to fix that with the gps status app and root |
| 16:27.41 | haste | nope |
| 16:29.22 | foxlit | \\([0-3]\d{,2}|[4-7]\d?) << I wonder why not 8 or 9. |
| 16:29.50 | Arrowmaster | i hope they do a refresh of the N5 for the nexus after this coming one, same size as N5 and 1080p max screen resolution, better everything else especially battery life |
| 16:29.54 | znf | ok then, I'll give them away on reddit :-/ |
| 16:30.22 | haste | znf: do you know if they ship to norway? |
| 16:30.38 | znf | haste, I think they do |
| 16:30.56 | haste | znf: have someone here who would like one :) |
| 16:31.06 | znf | or maybe: http://oneplus.net/choose-country |
| 16:31.08 | znf | not sure :D |
| 16:31.13 | znf | I don't see norway there? |
| 16:31.29 | haste | nor do I |
| 16:31.33 | haste | that's where they ship or? |
| 16:31.55 | znf | http://oneplus.net/support |
| 16:31.57 | znf | yeah |
| 16:32.40 | haste | hrmf |
| 16:32.47 | haste | could order it to someone in Sweden |
| 16:33.17 | znf | that's what my friend did - had it shipped to italy |
| 16:33.31 | haste | trying to get a hold of someone, but they're being slow |
| 16:33.46 | znf | well, they expire in 1 day :D |
| 16:35.01 | haste | you have multiple codes :P ? |
| 16:35.38 | haste | if so, we could probably just take one and see where that leads us |
| 16:36.05 | haste | have quite a few people that can be poked |
| 16:36.08 | haste | glares at nevcairiel. |
| 16:36.35 | znf | I have 2 |
| 16:36.37 | nevcairiel | i cant walk! |
| 16:36.55 | haste | did you write C and shoot yourself in the foot? |
| 16:37.06 | znf | let me know if you claim it, if not, I'll give it away on reddit or something |
| 16:39.45 | Constie | I'm in Sweden, but you don't know me and also I'm lazy. |
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| 16:40.43 | nevcairiel | haste: nah, that would never happen to me! but going hiking, thats dangerous |
| 16:41.24 | haste | pats Constie |
| 17:06.00 | haste | znf: proxy get! |
| 17:06.09 | haste | znf: sadly the site is going at turtle speed :D |
| 17:07.21 | znf | haste: cool |
| 17:10.07 | VIad | ugh... |
| 17:10.17 | VIad | why can't I recast Camouflage with ! in front? |
| 17:10.22 | VIad | "You can't do that yet." :/ |
| 17:10.33 | VIad | and if you click too quickly, the new buff is removed... lol |
| 17:23.10 | TC-Work | *sigh* 1 hour shy of 60 hours worked last week. It is irking me. |
| 17:26.05 | znf | you want to work 60? or not? |
| 17:26.08 | znf | is confused |
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| 17:34.11 | TC-Work | znf: I want the number to be even |
| 17:34.27 | TC-Work | And 1 more hour is hardly going to make a difference. |
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| 18:41.24 | foxlit | â28 bytes of padding" |
| 18:41.44 | Fisker | pats foxlit |
| 18:41.48 | Fisker | :3 |
| 18:42.05 | foxlit | in what world is that reasonable after a (36*n)-byte block? |
| 18:42.35 | Fisker | idk |
| 18:57.48 | Simca | something similar happens in some blizzard CASC files |
| 18:58.14 | foxlit | itâs very likely misdocumented alignment. |
| 18:58.31 | Simca | in blizzard's case it is intentional, though weird. |
| 18:58.57 | Simca | they want exactly 1000 (hex) bytes per 'chunk' |
| 18:59.54 | Simca | 32*n-byte blocks don't evenly divide into 1000 (hex) (they go to FF0), so there are effectively 16-bytes of padding after every FF0 |
| 19:01.08 | Simca | and at the end of the document, if it needs to do 1 more entry than it can in the current chunks, it will start a new one, put that single entry there, and then fill the remaining (nearly 1000 bytes) with 00 |
| 19:11.26 | foxlit | which is not 28 bytes of padding :( |
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| 20:39.38 | karl_w_w | VIad, did you write this? :P http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2014/9/29/6862757/dota-2-the-1000-hour-review |
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| 20:44.33 | karl_w_w | oh god totalbiscuit's criticism of that article crashed twitlonger |
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| 20:56.46 | Neffi | "totalbiscuit" how do I know that name? |
| 20:57.36 | nevcairiel | he is pretty famous for his game reviews |
| 20:57.48 | karl_w_w | he started with wow radio i believe |
| 20:57.54 | karl_w_w | or it was early in his exposure |
| 20:58.53 | karl_w_w | he did some wow videos i think during lich king or something |
| 21:07.13 | mikma | shirik: http://narf-archive.com/pix/600b24dae0555ba2e633b72f3907cb7c802010de.gif |
| 21:09.19 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/iwrf4ES.png <_< |
| 21:09.24 | karl_w_w | nokia bend test http://i.imgur.com/AbcWBG7.gif |
| 21:10.04 | nevcairiel | it obviously has an adventage from being thicker in the middle! |
| 21:10.18 | nevcairiel | -e+a |
| 21:18.12 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.20 | Fisker | TB got popular for never settling but settled |
| 21:19.28 | Semlar | tuberculosis? |
| 21:20.33 | karl_w_w | no, colon cancer |
| 21:21.43 | Sharparam | karl_w_w: ohai karl |
| 21:22.03 | Sharparam | i played the swapper |
| 21:22.10 | Sharparam | it was really good |
| 21:28.46 | karl_w_w | I'm glad Sharparam! |
| 21:29.21 | Sharparam | as for difficulty, i'd say maybe about on par with portal 2. for me anyway |
| 21:29.57 | Neffi | Semlar: that's a terrible phone |
| 21:30.19 | Semlar | real phones have curves neffi |
| 21:30.40 | Neffi | My friend was dead-set on buying it because he watched some youtube review about how high-tech it was and how advanced it had to be to be curved |
| 21:31.19 | Neffi | Times like these, I re-evaluate my choice of friends. Then I convinced the oaf to buy something else |
| 21:31.36 | Semlar | an iphone plus |
| 21:31.51 | Neffi | no, he ended up settling on a midrange Samsung. couldn't convince him not to do that |
| 21:31.56 | nevcairiel | the idea of a slightly bendable phone with a natural curve kinda makes sense |
| 21:32.05 | Neffi | For as good as their flagship phones are, Samsung's midrange offerings are both terrible and overpriced |
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| 21:32.33 | Neffi | nevcairiel: the problem is that didn't come without compromise. Have you read the reviews? |
| 21:32.40 | Neffi | Ars T's review on it was good |
| 21:32.51 | nevcairiel | i didnt comment on the phone, just the design idea in general |
| 21:33.04 | Neffi | meh. I think it's a useless gimmick |
| 21:33.17 | Neffi | but I'm a bigger guy that has no problem carrying big, perfectly flat phones in my pocket |
| 21:33.20 | nevcairiel | this particular model is too large for my taste anyway |
| 21:33.27 | nevcairiel | 5" is my limit |
| 21:34.43 | karl_w_w | i wouldnt want my phone to flex |
| 21:36.02 | karl_w_w | screens are meant to be flat |
| 21:36.29 | nevcairiel | who says that though? |
| 21:36.40 | Sharparam | flexes his muscles. Ooh so strong! |
| 21:36.56 | nevcairiel | might be kinda funky when using it for excessive touch use tho |
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| 21:58.28 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/mcSjfnVq << how does that happen? |
| 21:59.19 | foxlit | (thanks, rubber duck, I see it now) |
| 22:01.20 | foxlit | and now I wonder whether t[1], t[1] = nil, 1 is well-defined behavior or not. |
| 22:02.52 | Neffi | foxlit: I don't think the Lua spec enforces the order in which an argument list is evaluated |
| 22:03.24 | Neffi | In fact #lua had a discussion about this, but I don't remember the conclusion |
| 22:03.51 | foxlit | note that the argument list in question is entirely static. |
| 22:04.21 | Neffi | I know |
| 22:05.07 | Neffi | A very similar question was asked, and whether or not this would lead to different behavior when JIT compiled, or if the behavior can be assumed identical across major implementations |
| 22:05.35 | Neffi | Unfortunatley #lua doesnt have public logs, so I won't be able to find the convo and the conclusion they came to |
| 22:07.03 | Neffi | I just recently hit a bug myself with table.concat not being robust whatsoever |
| 22:07.17 | Neffi | it chokes if nils are present. it chokes if you ask it to concat past the end of the table |
| 22:07.56 | foxlit | I approve of that design. |
| 22:08.11 | Neffi | Not that I don't. It was surprising |
| 22:08.48 | foxlit | considering youâre asking for a literal concatenation within a specific range of array indices, there isnât much else you could be expecting. |
| 22:09.08 | foxlit | Maybe ipairs-like bailing at first nil, but that conflicts with the [i, j] arguments. |
| 22:09.13 | Neffi | A few library functions *are* robust in similar ways, and the language has the policy of automatic coercion. It's strange to come across a function that doesn't hold to that consistency |
| 22:10.15 | Neffi | Plus you have to pretty much assume that most of the standard lib functions become useless or behave strangely as soon as you involve a sparse array |
| 22:14.32 | Neffi | so, people actually do this, apparently http://i.imgur.com/eCgF6tR.jpg |
| 22:15.14 | zenzelezz | you seem surprised |
| 22:16.04 | Neffi | actually I'm kinda bothered by all the images in that album http://imgur.com/gallery/8G9H4 |
| 22:17.41 | VIad | karl_w_w: I wish |
| 22:17.42 | Shirik | mikma: lolwat |
| 22:26.53 | Jamash | If you cast Power Word: Shield on an Earth Elemental, would it get a debuff called Weakened Soil? |
| 22:27.40 | zenzelezz | :D |
| 22:44.02 | TC-Work | http://vimeo.com/25969993 >.< |
| 22:56.38 | Neffi | TC-Work: what in the fuck |
| 22:56.54 | TC-Work | Yea, that. |
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| 23:10.17 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/cx9V6ynw << gah. |
| 23:11.32 | foxlit | them tiny pixels are in all the wrong orders. Fixed it now, time to sleep. |
| 23:19.33 | Primer | OMG RUNNING AS ROOT |
| 23:19.37 | Primer | j/k |
| 23:20.25 | foxlit | the real wtf is using json as a storage format in combination with Lua. |
| 23:22.30 | foxlit | kind of wish there was a standard library method for serializing lua structures. |
| 23:24.45 | Primer | SV? |
| 23:24.53 | Primer | You know what I mean |
| 23:25.47 | foxlit | sleepy and dense at the moment. |
| 23:26.05 | foxlit | saved variables would help, but this isnât in the wow client, so it canât serialize things for me. |
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| 23:27.35 | foxlit | Iâm sure I actually have it implemented somewhere, but digging it up is a pain. |
| 23:34.18 | Primer | I didn't realize SV wasn't a native lua implementation |
| 23:37.05 | Jamash | foxlit: what the heck is that pastebin? |
| 23:38.54 | Jamash | also, there are approximately one billion lua serialization libs http://lua-users.org/wiki/TableSerialization |
