| 00:00.37 | Arrowmaster | you mean slider:Enable() |
| 00:01.02 | Arrowmaster | yeah it probably could be, no clue on the reasoning there |
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| 00:01.47 | relaxok | yeah : sorry |
| 00:03.17 | relaxok | one works and the other doesn't |
| 00:03.34 | relaxok | but my fairly shitty lua knowledge tells me those should be the same thing |
| 00:04.07 | relaxok | i mean.. slider:Enable() works |
| 00:04.22 | relaxok | getmetatable(slider).__index.Enable(slider) doesn't |
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| 00:18.14 | Semlar | so maybe it isn't in the meta table |
| 00:33.44 | Neffi | relaxok: I'm guessing it's so people can't override :Enable() |
| 00:35.06 | Semlar | overrides neffi |
| 00:41.27 | Neffi | no Semlar |
| 00:41.37 | Semlar | OVERRULED! |
| 00:43.48 | Neffi | >_> |
| 00:44.04 | Semlar | sustained |
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| 01:15.22 | relaxok | Neffi: sounds weird to me. |
| 01:16.09 | relaxok | Neffi: what would __index return there? the same table as slider? |
| 01:25.52 | Neffi | __index overrides table indexing. it's classically used for inheritance in Lua |
| 01:26.16 | Neffi | if getmetatable(sometable).__index is a table, Lua will look in that tables when a key doesn't exist in sometable |
| 01:26.42 | Neffi | or it can be a function, which Lua will invoke to search for the key |
| 01:27.04 | Neffi | in WoW it's a table of methods which are shared for all frames of the same type |
| 01:27.32 | Neffi | If you're using Lua, one thing you should understand 100% of metatables. They're one of the language's most powerful features |
| 01:27.45 | Neffi | s/100% of/100% is/ |
| 01:35.18 | Seerah | metatables are more advanced, so if you don't get it, dont' worry too much about it. (Unless, of course, you've started with a more advanced project where you need to use them.) |
| 01:35.46 | Neffi | He's implementing a Lua API layer |
| 01:36.03 | End | well then, if he's doing that, he probably needs to understand them |
| 01:36.08 | Neffi | That advice doesn't really apply when you start embedding Lua in a host, tbh |
| 01:36.16 | Seerah | with "fairly shitty Lua knowledge"? |
| 01:36.19 | Neffi | you should know the language in and out, as far as I'm concerned |
| 01:36.49 | Seerah | yes. You can't start with a project like this |
| 01:36.51 | End | if it's simple things, I don't think you need to know them, but they are also what makes Lua interesting imo |
| 01:37.13 | Neffi | If you embed Lua without knowing Lua, your API will suck |
| 01:37.17 | Neffi | Plain and simple |
| 01:37.22 | End | yeah ...probably |
| 01:38.08 | Neffi | He's doing a clean-room implementation of the WoW API, which is probably why he's gotten this far without needing to know best practices. Things are already decided |
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| 02:01.41 | relaxok | <Neffi> in WoW it's a table of methods which are shared for all frames of the same type |
| 02:01.45 | relaxok | i guess i need to do that |
| 02:02.35 | relaxok | i guess i haven't because i've put them all in the normal tables of every frame |
| 02:02.53 | Neffi | yeah, they dont exist in the normal table |
| 02:03.12 | Neffi | if you /dump a frame in game, you see none of the methods are actually part of the frame -- unless an addon is trying to override them |
| 02:06.39 | Neffi | What do you guys think about NZXT cases? |
| 02:07.19 | relaxok | i finally got the events correct to not start flailing with lua errors in the charselect |
| 02:07.20 | relaxok | http://bh.polpo.org/charselect2.png |
| 02:08.07 | relaxok | you send UPDATE_SELECTED_CHARACTER with e.g.index 1 first.. then CHARACTER_LIST_UPDATE with the number of characters |
| 02:08.16 | relaxok | then have that many chars queryable when using GetCharacterInfo |
| 02:10.59 | Simca | anyone know a solid method/library to solve (or attempt to solve) NP-Complete problems (i.e. TSP-style problems) in Lua? |
| 02:13.00 | Simca | could look at the code for reforging addons i guess |
| 02:13.11 | kd3 | whatever the "routes" addon uses uses |
| 02:14.15 | Simca | yeah, solving the problem isn't the issue; the issue is that solving it takes minutes and no user will wait minutes for results, so it needs to finish in <3 seconds |
| 02:15.30 | Neffi | Find a faster heuristic for your problem or do it in the background |
| 02:20.11 | Semlar | i could probably finish in under 3 seconds if i had to |
| 02:20.23 | Simca | TMI |
| 02:20.32 | TC-Work | Neffi: A case is a case.... |
| 02:21.15 | Semlar | i'm NP-hard though |
| 02:21.15 | Neffi | TC-Work: yeah, but having a well-built case is nice |
| 02:21.37 | TC-Work | Neffi: Is it? My case never moves, and I never need to tinker inside of it. |
| 02:21.50 | TC-Work | With the exception of dusting it out every few months. |
| 02:21.52 | Neffi | kicks over TC-Work's case |
| 02:21.54 | Semlar | a case is definitely not a case |
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| 02:22.20 | TC-Work | It is in my case. |
| 02:22.24 | Semlar | there are definite quality of life differences between computer cases |
| 02:22.32 | Simca | only downside to well built cases is that they're usually heavier, lol, so they end up being harder to move around sometimes |
| 02:22.40 | Simca | even if it means they survive the moving process better |
| 02:23.04 | TC-Work | The HP xw8400/8600.... |
| 02:23.07 | TC-Work | Fucking tanks |
| 02:23.12 | TC-Work | and they weight it as well |
| 02:23.13 | Neffi | Having a good layout for cable management and airflow, and noise dampeners, and good dust filters, are all nice things |
| 02:23.28 | TC-Work | Right Neffi, but that is case design more than brand. |
| 02:23.43 | Simca | having recently gotten a case with dust filters after never having them before, i will admit they are very nice |
| 02:24.11 | Neffi | TC-Work: yeah, but certain brands are trustworthy, and some are definitely not |
| 02:24.26 | Semlar | i would evaluate them on a case by case basis |
| 02:24.40 | TC-Work | Mine was bad, that is worse. |
| 02:24.46 | Semlar | >_> |
| 02:25.03 | Semlar | in that case |
| 02:25.06 | Semlar | nevermind |
| 02:25.07 | kd3|hate`net | ooh, I should probably dust out my case. I can't remember the last time I did |
| 02:25.08 | kd3|hate`net | that's bad |
| 02:25.30 | TC-Work | I did it after...3 months of not doing it and it had a lot less dust than I thought. |
| 02:25.36 | Semlar | dust adds character |
| 02:26.04 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/Kn5Zg3r.png 'can be bought and sold on the Auction House'? is that really needed? |
| 02:26.10 | TC-Work | I blew out a case for a friend that had so much weed ash in it, I suspect the computer was higher than my friend. |
| 02:26.37 | Semlar | http://youtu.be/qGRxlSjEFq8?t=45s here neffi |
| 02:26.37 | Neffi | how do you even get weed ash inside the computer? |
| 02:26.48 | TC-Work | You smoke near it.... |
| 02:27.16 | Neffi | Semlar: watching this is making my lungs ache and throat close |
| 02:27.30 | Neffi | TC-Work: is he turning the comp sideways and using it as an ash-tray? |
| 02:27.51 | Neffi | I've never seen ash get inside something like that |
| 02:27.54 | TC-Work | ...Go learn fluid dynamics. |
| 02:28.44 | Neffi | No need to be pompous tc |
| 02:29.31 | TC-Work | I have no other way to explain it. |
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| 02:33.02 | Simca | looks like loot popups are broken in this build |
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| 02:33.29 | Simca | SHOW_LOOT_TOAST stuff |
| 02:33.42 | Semlar | mm loot toast |
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| 02:44.14 | znf | >While Bash is often thought of just as a local shell, it is also frequently used by Apache servers to execute CGI scripts for dynamic content (through mod_cgi and mod_cgid). |
| 02:44.17 | znf | who the f* does that? |
| 02:45.17 | smcn | i imagine whoever wrote that |
| 02:46.50 | znf | but yeah, cool, bash vulnerable |
| 02:47.24 | Simca | isn't that like saying cmd.exe is vunerable |
| 02:48.58 | kd3 | http://blog.erratasec.com/2014/09/bash-shellshock-bug-is-wormable.html |
| 02:51.48 | znf | well, if you run shell scripts as cgi, you kind of deserve it... |
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| 02:57.39 | relaxok | http://bh.polpo.org/charcreate1.png |
| 02:57.41 | relaxok | welp that's quite wrong |
| 02:57.42 | relaxok | xD |
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| 03:09.38 | TC-Work | Slightly. |
| 03:25.48 | relaxok | CharacterSelect.lua is quite weird |
| 03:25.56 | relaxok | why do they keep dividing the number of classes and races by 3? |
| 03:26.05 | relaxok | it causes weirdness if it's not equally divisible from what i can tell |
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| 03:34.21 | Jamash | I have a theory |
| 03:34.27 | Jamash | Chris Metzen is red-green colorblind. |
| 03:35.02 | Jamash | This is the only explanation for why Alexstrasza and orcs have gone from being green to being red, without any coherent explanation |
| 03:35.03 | Simca | that must be the best way to troll if you dislike your boss/job - introduce bugs that only occur if the number isn't divisible by 2 or 3 |
| 03:35.52 | relaxok | Simca: it is very very odd. |
| 03:36.09 | Jamash | relaxok: looks like it's for slicing icon textures to me |
| 03:37.13 | Simca | well on the right hand side it looks like it isn't doing its Atlas stuff nicely |
| 03:37.24 | relaxok | no, yeah, that's tex coord issues for sure |
| 03:37.48 | relaxok | CharacterCreate.numRaces = select("#", ...)/3; |
| 03:38.01 | relaxok | and passed in there is GetAvailableRaces() api |
| 03:38.22 | Simca | wut |
| 03:38.38 | Simca | select("#" - is that special functionality |
| 03:38.47 | relaxok | it returns the number of elements in ... |
| 03:38.48 | Simca | select 1 arg is supposed to be a number. |
| 03:38.51 | Semlar | returns the number of args |
| 03:38.52 | relaxok | yeah its special |
| 03:39.38 | relaxok | what happens if you dump GetAvailableRaces() ingame? |
| 03:39.47 | Semlar | it's not an api function |
| 03:40.39 | kd3|hate`net | not the kind of thing I'd want to see outside of a plane window: http://i.imgur.com/N1rHyYa.jpg |
| 03:41.13 | relaxok | Semlar: seems to be! |
| 03:41.17 | Simca | it isn't |
| 03:41.37 | Neffi | Simca: first arg as '#' counts the number of args instead of selecting |
| 03:41.40 | Simca | _G.GetAvailableRaces is nil |
| 03:42.02 | relaxok | Script_GetAvailableRaces is a function in the client, im looking at it |
| 03:42.05 | Neffi | he's talking about GlueXML, which is probably a different Lua state, probably with different API |
| 03:42.17 | Semlar | obviously it's a function that is accessible there and not in game |
| 03:42.18 | relaxok | ah yeah |
| 03:42.20 | Neffi | in fact it's almost certainly a different lua state |
| 03:42.28 | relaxok | i forgot that it wouldn't be accessible in game |
| 03:42.54 | Semlar | presumably it returns 3 things about each race |
| 03:43.09 | relaxok | that is... so likely |
| 03:43.19 | relaxok | name, file name, index? |
| 03:43.28 | relaxok | i can't fucking believe i didn't think of that |
| 03:43.32 | relaxok | sorry Semlar |
| 03:43.39 | Neffi | see where else it's used and you can probably figure that out |
| 03:44.08 | relaxok | that's the thing its only used in CharacterCreateEnumerateRaces and then it doesn't actually set any of the args, it just uses index +1, index+2, etc. |
| 03:44.09 | relaxok | pretty ugly |
| 03:44.58 | relaxok | name, file name, and the 3rd one looks like some sort of flag |
| 03:45.15 | relaxok | available for the current race |
| 03:45.19 | relaxok | er |
| 03:45.24 | Simca | blizzard loves flags |
| 03:45.31 | relaxok | wait, when are races disabled? |
| 03:45.36 | Semlar | it returns the name, the icon path and a boolean |
| 03:45.37 | relaxok | if you dont have the expansion? |
| 03:45.43 | Simca | yes |
| 03:45.50 | relaxok | that's it then |
| 03:45.53 | relaxok | if it's not 1 it's disabled |
| 03:46.03 | relaxok | so probably pandaren if you dont have mope tc |
| 03:46.04 | relaxok | mop etc* |
| 03:46.13 | Simca | <relaxok> if it's not 1 it's disabled |
| 03:46.16 | Semlar | god this code is awful |
| 03:46.23 | Simca | they changed '1' to 'true' in the vast majority of cases |
| 03:46.25 | Simca | in WoD |
| 03:47.10 | Simca | Clique was broken solely because the author did a statement like button.spellbutton:IsEnabled == 1 |
| 03:47.34 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/GlueXML/CharacterCreate.lua |
| 03:48.17 | relaxok | god i love you guys |
| 03:48.34 | relaxok | i guarantee this is gonna work now |
| 03:49.15 | Simca | some of that is incredibly useful Semlar |
| 03:49.30 | Simca | that model camera stuff is not used -anywhere- in FrameXML |
| 03:49.39 | Simca | I never thought to look in GlueXML |
| 03:49.51 | Semlar | look at function CharacterCreateEnumerateRaces |
| 03:49.58 | Semlar | and the select calls |
| 03:51.07 | relaxok | Simca: it's in SharedXML i think |
| 03:51.15 | relaxok | you can ..\SharedXML into it |
| 03:51.27 | relaxok | works in framexml |
| 03:51.45 | Simca | yeah i know it does but it's just that the functions were undocumented mostly |
| 03:51.58 | Simca | and i didn't see any example code |
| 03:52.01 | relaxok | oh, yeah.. that's what's given me the biggest headache |
| 03:52.21 | relaxok | obviously its easy when some code says x, y, z = Blah() |
| 03:52.54 | relaxok | but there is a lot of undocumented stuff |
| 03:53.01 | relaxok | even in the frames |
| 03:53.27 | Semlar | i laugh in the face of documentation |
| 03:54.23 | relaxok | now if only dbcs were self describing like wildstar tbls |
| 03:54.31 | relaxok | the world would be glorious |
| 03:55.04 | Simca | i know the vast majority of dbc column names now, and it is less helpful than you'd think sometimes |
| 03:55.17 | Simca | for example, item-sparse.db2 has 3 full columns of flags |
| 03:55.18 | relaxok | they change really often though |
| 03:55.40 | relaxok | its a waste of time, it should be in the format |
| 03:55.43 | Simca | I have a friend's data matching tool and I autoadjust column names as they move |
| 03:55.54 | relaxok | oops, stack overflow |
| 03:55.56 | relaxok | in lua api |
| 03:56.04 | relaxok | i guess i need to increase the max size |
| 03:56.49 | Simca | but the 3 columns of flags - each holds 32 bits, so that's 96 different meanings that we don't know |
| 03:57.46 | Simca | there are 101 columns total in item-sparse, but with up to 96 unique indicators in flag columns, you're missing over half of the picture if you dont' know the flag meanings |
| 03:58.15 | relaxok | yeah.. i would absolutely kill for all the model-related flags. |
| 03:58.29 | relaxok | related to rendering/shading |
| 03:58.35 | relaxok | flags and enums |
| 03:58.55 | Simca | took me 30 min the other day to figure out that the 20th bit of flags1 was 'Unique-Equipped' |
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| 04:00.25 | Simca | random question relaxok, but does the new troll male HD model work for you in your program? |
| 04:00.37 | Simca | ours is lacking a face |
| 04:01.27 | relaxok | i dont have all the WoD data unarchived right now but i can look when i do |
| 04:01.44 | Simca | k, thanks |
| 04:02.40 | Simca | no modelviewer besides the actual game works with WoD data without extensive fiddling (i'm not going to convert CASC data back to MPQ just to use a modelviewer) |
| 04:02.48 | Simca | so it's hard to compare |
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| 04:10.29 | relaxok | Simca: ignore the texturing on this.. |
| 04:11.07 | Jamash | wow, I just got one-shot by a 100k shadowburn |
| 04:11.13 | Jamash | pvp is so cool -_- |
| 04:11.43 | relaxok | Simca: http://bh.polpo.org/trollmale_hd_1.png |
| 04:11.54 | relaxok | Simca: i've barely done anything with correctly texturing character models |
| 04:12.03 | relaxok | Simca: but that's all the geosets on |
| 04:13.10 | Simca | yeah it looks right |
| 04:13.35 | relaxok | you know about the 16bit overage for the indices right? |
| 04:13.42 | relaxok | on the hd models |
| 04:15.19 | Simca | you referring to '0x00 uint32 Mesh part ID' in the submesh chunk actually being 2 uint16s? |
| 04:15.29 | Simca | if so, we accounted for that |
| 04:15.58 | relaxok | no.. in the skin file, the start index is a short.. if the start index of a submesh is < the previous submesh, i add 16bits to it |
| 04:16.02 | relaxok | (my start index is an int) |
| 04:16.29 | relaxok | otherwise you don't draw any of the indices beyond 2^16 |
| 04:16.41 | relaxok | not saying that's the issue on the troll necessarily but it's an issue in general |
| 04:17.20 | relaxok | there might be another flag that determines that but i dunno, i just did it checking that value |
| 04:17.37 | Simca | yeah i think there is |
| 04:18.16 | relaxok | there's no submesh flags in there |
| 04:18.21 | Simca | i think the uint32 I mentioned being two uint16s - the second uint16 seems to be some sort of 'index of indexes' that keeps track |
| 04:18.44 | relaxok | if you're doing that, i dunno what the issue would be |
| 04:18.59 | relaxok | i dont think anything else changed for me since MoP |
| 04:19.31 | Simca | yeah it's really weird that every single model works fine except troll male HD; I assume it is something they did with the new bone system |
| 04:19.45 | Simca | there is some edge case that we are supposed to support but aren't or something |
| 04:19.54 | relaxok | hmm, animation is working ok for me |
| 04:20.45 | Simca | character face bone structure is now dependent on a new type of file (.bone), with a variant for every face choice for every character model |
| 04:20.55 | relaxok | ahhh |
| 04:21.07 | relaxok | if you're loading those, i'm not, so that could be it |
| 04:21.44 | Simca | we're not either, but they might have changed something minor in the format of the bone lookup chunk to accommodate that change |
| 04:22.10 | relaxok | who is 'we' btw? |
| 04:22.24 | Semlar | simca has multiple personalities |
| 04:22.30 | Torhal | The Royal We. |
| 04:22.32 | relaxok | a site or something i assume |
| 04:22.44 | Simca | yeah, mmoc/wowdb |
| 04:23.46 | relaxok | random question for you.. do you know of anything that's strange in particular about the jumping animations? most animations for me are fine but there is a subset that is totally wrong, including jumping |
| 04:24.20 | Gethe | i remember in an artcraft that for the trolls they are modelling the lips around each tusk variation |
| 04:25.58 | relaxok | assert( lua_checkstack( m_State, 64 ) ); |
| 04:26.02 | relaxok | trying to increase the stack |
| 04:26.10 | relaxok | still seem to get a stack overflow at 20 pushes |
| 04:28.46 | Simca | yeah, i don't know of anything strange in the jumping animations. i know there are a couple of events in the Events chunk that have to do with jumping |
| 04:30.00 | relaxok | alright |
| 04:30.15 | relaxok | there is probably an issue in my bone code as well somewhere.. i wish i could tell why some are different |
| 04:31.06 | relaxok | ok.. since lua_checkstack isnt working, i just changed LUA_MINSTACK in lua.h |
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| 04:44.32 | Iriel | relaxok: do you have something silly like asseers turned off? |
| 04:45.47 | relaxok | asseers? |
| 04:46.04 | Iriel | asserts, sorry |
| 04:46.09 | Iriel | (Typing at an angle) |
| 04:50.00 | relaxok | http://bh.polpo.org/charcreate2.png |
| 04:50.03 | relaxok | a lot better |
| 04:50.21 | relaxok | Iriel: no not that.. maybe did it in the wrong location |
| 04:52.26 | Iriel | You do it before you push >20 items onto the stack. |
| 04:52.33 | Iriel | Iâm not sure how youâd end upw ith it in the âwrong location" |
| 04:53.54 | relaxok | i thought maybe you did it before openlibs or something |
| 04:54.12 | Iriel | It means âmake sure thereâs this much space on the stack RIGHT NOWâ |
| 04:55.32 | Fisker | /me Shirik |
| 04:59.37 | Thunder_Child | I dunno, I think I rather like asseers better. |
| 04:59.40 | Torhal | baconifies Fisker. |
| 04:59.51 | Fisker | why? |
| 04:59.58 | Torhal | Bacon is good. |
| 05:00.09 | Fisker | yes but grilling me is bad |
| 05:00.13 | Torhal | :/ |
| 05:00.19 | Thunder_Child | Bacon is meh. |
| 05:00.34 | Torhal | But you aren't human, Thunder_Child - it's understandable |
| 05:00.36 | Fisker | I don't hate on other peoples bacon |
| 05:01.04 | Thunder_Child | Torhal: Then what am I? |
| 05:01.12 | Thunder_Child | Oh yea, I also don't like Chocolate. |
| 05:01.30 | Torhal | No idea what you are, but it doesn't sound fun. |
| 05:01.59 | Thunder_Child | I dunno, I'm like a poor ugly version of Tony Stark. |
| 05:02.09 | Thunder_Child | 2 out of 3 isn't bad. |
| 05:02.09 | Torhal | o.O |
| 05:03.21 | Fisker | lenovo is so sweet |
| 05:03.44 | Fisker | I can select one thing in this customizer and they're having links that go "Help me choose" on each of them |
| 05:08.32 | znf | Would flashing a new BIOS remove the password from it? :-/ |
| 05:09.47 | Fisker | Probably not znf |
| 05:09.54 | Fisker | But why don't you just reset the password? |
| 05:10.08 | znf | I'm out of ideas on how to reset it |
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| 05:10.28 | Semlar | unplug the battery |
| 05:10.29 | Fisker | most bios' can be reset by a clear cmos jumper znf |
| 05:10.35 | znf | not this laptops... |
| 05:10.45 | Thunder_Child | overvolt it. |
| 05:10.46 | Fisker | what laptop? |
| 05:10.56 | znf | An old HB Omnibook 4150 |
| 05:11.00 | Semlar | there should be a cmos battery |
| 05:11.00 | znf | HP |
| 05:11.13 | Fisker | HP has default passwords as well probably |
| 05:11.31 | Iriel | Unless the bios maker is incompetent you shouldnât be able to flash without the password |
| 05:11.40 | Semlar | if you pull out the laptop battery and the cmos battery and let the power drain it will reset the bios |
| 05:11.48 | Thunder_Child | cmos won't work if thew pw is being written. |
| 05:12.10 | znf | Semlar, already tried that, obviously |
| 05:12.18 | znf | DIdn't work out |
| 05:12.26 | Semlar | and there's no jumper? |
| 05:12.57 | Semlar | i mean the last resort would be desoldering the thing |
| 05:13.07 | znf | yeah, I guess that's what I'll do |
| 05:13.16 | Thunder_Child | Check the manual, I suspect there is a way. |
| 05:13.58 | znf | every info out there redirects you to the HP tech support |
| 05:14.04 | znf | ...and HP has a "password removal form" :) |
| 05:14.40 | Iriel | You could âgently shortâ the battery too |
| 05:14.41 | Fisker | http://dogber1.blogspot.dk/2009/05/table-of-reverse-engineered-bios.html |
| 05:14.44 | Fisker | try that znf |
| 05:14.53 | Iriel | Not sure if that would explode or kill it or you tho 8-) |
| 05:15.10 | znf | Fisker, I did... |
| 05:15.10 | Fisker | http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/CmosPwd |
| 05:15.11 | Fisker | or that maybe |
| 05:15.16 | znf | tried that, too :P |
| 05:15.21 | Fisker | I don't believe you |
| 05:15.24 | znf | you should |
| 05:16.10 | znf | I have proof: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/gvj82n72ocfkizh/AAC2iBhI6srOXg_r7_0aa_k6a |
| 05:19.49 | znf | good job, microsoft, telling me to upgrade my browser to IE9! |
| 05:19.55 | znf | Because Win98 can CLEARLY run IE9 |
| 05:20.48 | Torhal | znf: Win98 has been EOL for a long time, so your bitching is unfounded. :D |
| 05:21.00 | znf | Torhal, it's just fun to see the suggestion |
| 05:21.05 | Torhal | Heh |
| 05:21.07 | znf | "you should upgrade your browser" |
| 05:21.10 | znf | sure, I will! |
| 05:21.15 | znf | "upgrade to IE9" |
| 05:21.16 | znf | :-| |
| 05:21.36 | Semlar | well, upgrade |
| 05:22.11 | znf | can't! I actually need Win98 :D |
| 05:22.18 | znf | on a pc with a parallel port |
| 05:22.27 | znf | "true" parallel port, not those usb converters |
| 05:22.35 | Torhal | Methinks Linux would have sufficed. |
| 05:22.49 | znf | good luck writing eeproms with a specific programmer under linux |
| 05:22.57 | Torhal | Heh |
| 05:23.31 | znf | anyway, that's all I know - guy wanted Win98 on it |
| 05:23.53 | znf | I managed to reset the BIOS language to english, but I can't figure out how to remove the password :D |
| 05:24.14 | Semlar | are you sure there's a password |
| 05:24.38 | Fisker | It's all just a delusion |
| 05:25.09 | Semlar | have you tried holding the insert key while it boots |
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| 05:28.57 | joe7dust | can someone please suggest a transmog farming addon? I can't find any searching with google. Just want something to alert me when transmog drops or keep me from disenchanting it. |
| 05:29.39 | Semlar | how would it a "tronsmog" item be different from any other item |
| 05:29.43 | Semlar | transmog* |
| 05:29.55 | joe7dust | any green worth over 50g |
| 05:29.55 | znf | == part of a defined set |
| 05:30.01 | joe7dust | or that |
| 05:30.10 | znf | == which is user-interpretable |
| 05:30.11 | Semlar | you're looking to sell them on the auction house? |
| 05:30.14 | znf | == no chance buddy |
| 05:30.25 | joe7dust | it can't be that hard... |
| 05:30.29 | Semlar | uh |
| 05:30.45 | joe7dust | TSM has some options to ignore enchants for looking only at base of item |
| 05:30.46 | Semlar | you can transmog almost any item so i don't even know what the addon would do |
| 05:31.11 | joe7dust | and there is an addon that will put Undermine Journal data in tooltips |
| 05:31.21 | joe7dust | maybe I should just use that... |
| 05:32.09 | Semlar | man i should stop trying to type while i'm doing other things |
| 05:35.07 | Torhal | Semlar: Like typing? |
| 05:36.08 | znf | >Internet-of-things devices like video cameras are especially vulnerable because a lot of their software is built from web-enabled bash scripts. Thus, not only are they less likely to be patched, they are more likely to expose the vulnerability to the outside world. |
| 05:36.10 | znf | I'm sorry, what? |
| 05:36.17 | joe7dust | There's quite a few addons for transmog collecting, maybe one of these will give a good alert when stuff drops. |
| 05:36.27 | znf | the majority of embedded devices don't fuckin' run bash. |
| 05:36.30 | znf | Bash is HUGE |
| 05:36.36 | joe7dust | Just going to have to try them and find out I guess, don't see anything geared around FARMING xmog. |
| 05:36.58 | Torhal | farms znf. |
| 05:37.06 | Semlar | well, anyone putting together a list of items with the intent of selling them on the auction house would be shooting themselves in the foot by sharing it |
| 05:38.47 | Semlar | i think mogit has a few item set lists though |
| 05:39.18 | Semlar | you might have to modify it to inject information into the tooltip or something |
| 05:39.51 | znf | In order to really appreciate how far along has Window got, one should use Windows 98 for a few hours |
| 05:40.02 | Semlar | no thanks |
| 05:41.42 | joe7dust | so what cool addons are you guys working on |
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| 05:43.12 | joe7dust | this is a channel for wow addon development isn't it? |
| 05:43.19 | Semlar | sort of |
| 05:43.36 | znf | only when we want it |
| 05:43.41 | znf | sometimes we all get naked and dance around |
| 05:45.04 | Miiru | lol |
| 05:45.56 | Semlar | what percentage of chat in here would you estimate involves addon development |
| 05:46.17 | Mr_Rabies | when people ask about it, probably 90% or more, otherwise more like 50% |
| 05:46.55 | Semlar | well we have to do something between people asking for help |
| 05:48.02 | Mr_Rabies | it's probably possible to have an addon that can yell at you if it drops and its TSM/auctioneer/TUJ/whatever value is above a threshold, but i don't think anyone has written one |
| 05:48.53 | Mr_Rabies | also do keep in mind the price transmog gear is listed at means the price it was most recently listed at according to your data, not necessarily what it sold for |
| 05:49.14 | Semlar | i thought the undermine journal was dead |
| 05:50.01 | Mr_Rabies | it's back, sort of |
| 05:50.09 | Mr_Rabies | in a much reduced state for now |
| 05:50.19 | Mr_Rabies | the lead developer works at wowhead, so i imagine he's got priorities right now |
| 05:50.32 | Mr_Rabies | the only developer, rather |
| 05:50.34 | Semlar | anyway, i've tried selling transmog gear before and it moves very slowly |
| 05:50.44 | Mr_Rabies | it really depends on the server |
| 05:50.51 | Mr_Rabies | it's basically nonexistant on mine |
| 05:50.52 | Semlar | i certainly wouldn't farm for it |
| 05:51.03 | Semlar | i might snipe it if it were really low on the auction house |
| 05:52.21 | joe7dust | How can I set TSM to snipe transmog gear? |
| 05:52.55 | joe7dust | honestly transmog gear seems to be what makes the most gold of anything aside from epic battle pets |
| 05:53.06 | joe7dust | but if you have another gold farming method to share I'm open :) |
| 05:54.20 | joe7dust | would love to know of other quests that aware 45g like the timeless isle trivia |
| 05:54.36 | joe7dust | maybe I should just do all the pandaria quests, heard thats worth about 20kg |
| 05:55.49 | Semlar | how you make gold depends a lot on your server and how much you have to start with |
| 05:55.56 | znf | I wonder if blizzard plans to increase the GetAll() limit for AH |
| 05:58.45 | joe7dust | Cho'gall, not much to start with just 200g |
| 05:59.59 | joe7dust | and this undermine journal addon seems to be dead... says last seen 72 days ago on each item. Don't see any options for it or a way to refresh the data either. Must have been a server strain so now you can only alt-tab and type it in the site manually... :( |
| 06:00.04 | Semlar | alright in that case i would start with either gathering materials or doing quests or something out in the world you're capable of doing that makes gold |
| 06:00.22 | Dagmar | Get on top of that mailbox and start dancin' |
| 06:00.29 | joe7dust | right now I'm farming old dungeons for enchanting mats |
| 06:01.04 | Semlar | if your gear is good you might consider killing war scouts around pandaria |
| 06:01.18 | joe7dust | the rares ? |
| 06:01.29 | Dagmar | Mechanar |
| 06:01.43 | Semlar | if they aren't being farmed, you can rack up a decent amount of materials from the sacks they drop |
| 06:01.45 | Dagmar | Unless they nerfed it one of those soloables in Area 52 drops like 250g |
| 06:02.45 | Semlar | battle pets likely don't sell that well, i would personally stay away from them |
| 06:02.47 | Dagmar | May have been TK for all I know. It's been a bit |
| 06:03.10 | Semlar | a lot of the TCG battle pets were duped and destroyed the market |
| 06:03.11 | Dagmar | ...and I barely paid attention to what I was doing. I'd just go in and kill things until I found the guy with the money |
| 06:04.16 | Semlar | but yeah, if you don't have much gold to start with then i would focus on your professions |
| 06:04.24 | Semlar | gathering and crafting |
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| 06:07.47 | ccox | what is with all the wow disconnects the past few days - thought it was just me until other players started complaining |
| 06:16.36 | Primer | probably DDoS attacks against realms |
| 06:17.44 | Neffi | are routing tables still blowing up? |
| 06:17.58 | Primer | backhoe syndrome? |
| 06:18.27 | Neffi | what did you just call me? |
| 06:20.49 | Primer | a hoe |
| 06:21.05 | Primer | a big, back, hoe |
| 06:21.31 | Neffi | oh, ok |
| 06:24.43 | Primer | Anyhow, "backhoe syndrome" was something that I read a long time ago. It referred to an instance where a backhoe operator pulled a big bundle of fiber optic cables somewhere where a LOT of ISPs peered |
| 06:25.04 | Primer | s/ISPs/backbone providers/ |
| 06:25.36 | Primer | and the general Internet took a huge shit that day |
| 06:27.18 | Neffi | I wonder if that ever happened |
| 06:28.59 | Semlar | probably |
| 06:29.11 | Semlar | construction workers cut cables constantly |
| 06:29.43 | Primer | oh look, my beta is updating... |
| 06:32.01 | Primer | fires up DayZ |
| 06:32.09 | Primer | oh WTF, that needs an update too |
| 06:34.27 | Neffi | if only developers didnt bother to fix things |
| 06:34.38 | Neffi | maybe try a bethesda game |
| 06:36.22 | relaxok | whyyyyy can i not find IsRaceClassValid |
| 06:36.33 | relaxok | i'm not implementing it and i dont see it defined in the lua anywhere |
| 06:37.06 | relaxok | oh |
| 06:37.37 | relaxok | in CharacterCreateEnumerateClasses, it checks that 3rd argument to be true, in *Races it checks it to be 1 |
| 06:38.09 | Primer | sigh, zombie in the floor... |
| 06:38.13 | Primer | I thought that was fixed |
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| 06:43.53 | relaxok | nvm figured it out |
| 06:48.40 | Miiru | hooksecurefunc(): function PetJournal_UpdatePetCard is not a function -- yes it is ! |
| 06:50.11 | Semlar | if if the petjournal hasn't loaded yet |
| 06:50.29 | Semlar | it won't exist |
| 06:50.43 | Miiru | checked that before of course |
| 06:50.50 | Semlar | orly |
| 06:50.56 | Miiru | the other hooks are working fine |
| 06:52.26 | Semlar | on live? |
| 06:52.31 | Miiru | ptr |
| 06:53.11 | Semlar | you added Blizzard_PetJournal as a dependency? |
| 06:53.48 | Semlar | or are you waiting for ADDON_LOADED to fire |
| 06:54.02 | Miiru | addon_loaded |
| 06:54.14 | Miiru | i have 4 other hooks executing correctly |
| 06:54.26 | Semlar | what other hooks |
| 06:55.23 | Miiru | nevermind |
| 06:55.28 | Miiru | i foudn the error :D |
| 06:55.30 | Miiru | shame on me |
| 06:55.58 | Miiru | hooksecurefunc("function PetJournal_UpdatePetCard",function(self) will obviuosly not work, but i looked at the wrong hook so i didnt see the function :D |
| 06:56.38 | Semlar | derp |
| 06:57.39 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 07:02.36 | relaxok | fuck this is kind of a problem |
| 07:03.23 | relaxok | when drawing a button i've always drawn any <Frames> stuff in the button first, then button itself then button text |
| 07:03.43 | relaxok | but in these the frame has a name text that needs to be drawn after the button |
| 07:03.56 | ccox | yes, it has happened many times |
| 07:04.14 | ccox | the palo alto, CA hub has been hit at least 3 times in the past 15 years |
| 07:05.37 | relaxok | http://bh.polpo.org/charcreate3.png |
| 07:05.45 | relaxok | fuu |
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| 07:45.17 | Jamash | there are do not dig signs all over the place in california, and backhoe drivers have ignored them on numerous occasions |
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| 08:17.58 | bluspacecow | @Cairenn https://www.facebook.com/myroomclean/photos/a.10150223254154945.65036.156836544944/10150577652029945/?type=1&ref=nf |
| 08:18.07 | bluspacecow | dat dog has so much extra skin he could fly ! |
| 08:18.49 | Cairenn | heh |
| 08:19.31 | bluspacecow | seriously he could puff out his cheeks and use them for wings :P |
| 08:19.50 | haste | fill them with helium and fly! |
| 08:19.59 | Cairenn | http://imgur.com/gallery/RLdD14R |
| 08:23.10 | Gethe | Cairenn: well, being the Administratrix i could see you having such an item :p |
| 08:23.24 | bluspacecow | tuxdeo jacks work i do believe |
| 08:23.30 | Cairenn | ;-) |
| 08:24.08 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/tJOtB |
| 08:24.24 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 08:24.47 | Fisker | Hey Cairenn |
| 08:25.02 | Cairenn | Hey Fisker :) |
| 08:25.56 | Fisker | That whip though |
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| 09:09.05 | karl_w_w | why is agent hogging all my internets? |
| 09:09.20 | Kodiack | because NSA |
| 09:09.22 | Kodiack | >_> |
| 09:09.23 | Kodiack | <_< |
| 09:09.27 | karl_w_w | oh ok |
| 09:09.29 | zenzelezz | unlimited preload speed? |
| 09:09.50 | zenzelezz | wait, that's launcher, not agent |
| 09:11.23 | karl_w_w | oh because its downloading wow things |
| 09:11.48 | nevcairiel | you can configure a download limit for pre-load, if you so desire |
| 09:11.57 | bluspacecow | its attempting to download the entire internets |
| 09:11.59 | bluspacecow | u mad ? |
| 09:12.23 | Kalroth | wget http:/*.* |
| 09:12.31 | bluspacecow | gasp! |
| 09:12.38 | Kalroth | oh i missed a slash :( |
| 09:14.03 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: no, it's the agent that does the downloading, the launcher just communicates with the agent about progress etc |
| 09:14.24 | nevcairiel | this distinction is kinda pointless for most people :D |
| 09:14.29 | bluspacecow | http://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicamisener/stupidest-things-ever-said-on-facebook?bffb&utm_term=4ldqpgp#1iw5a7h |
| 09:15.13 | zenzelezz | Maldivia: oh, didn't know that |
| 09:16.02 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.26 | Neffi | bluspacecow: the stupid hurts |
| 09:25.39 | Constie | Neffi is beautiful like a piece of fruit. |
| 09:25.57 | Neffi | aww, thank you Constie |
| 09:30.16 | karl_w_w | this was originally written about Neffi: http://i.imgur.com/7edJXko.jpg |
| 09:31.16 | Neffi | I'm not 100% sure what it means, but I'm flattered! |
| 09:32.08 | karl_w_w | it's from http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1v8nk7/i_need_to_express_my_feels_for_n0tail_plz_listen/ |
| 09:32.56 | Neffi | i dont know what a notail is |
| 09:33.15 | karl_w_w | pro dota player |
| 09:34.29 | Neffi | looks like he's 14 |
| 09:36.35 | karl_w_w | he's 20 |
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| 09:45.14 | zenzelezz | "Warning: The data obtained from the update service is incorrect." - lulz. Long time since I've seen something like this happen |
| 09:48.11 | bluspacecow | wat |
| 09:48.12 | bluspacecow | where ? |
| 09:48.15 | bluspacecow | screenshot plx |
| 09:49.10 | zenzelezz | World of Tanks |
| 09:49.18 | zenzelezz | their update server seems to be struggling (new patch out today) |
| 09:50.51 | karl_w_w | holy shit hearthstone is so fucking laggy |
| 09:53.57 | zenzelezz | well now, even their website won't load. So much for checking the forums to see if anyone else was experiencing the same :) |
| 10:02.12 | Fisker | I once killed a guy zenzelezz |
| 10:04.07 | zenzelezz | I once killed two guys, Fisker |
| 10:09.57 | karl_w_w | I once killed all the guys, zenzelezz |
| 10:10.18 | zenzelezz | dang, then you clearly win :( |
| 10:16.08 | karl_w_w | second game lost because hearthstone decides to randomly lag like a bitch |
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| 10:25.19 | Stanzilla | I wonder how they managed to fuck up a otherwise perfectly fine again that hard |
| 10:25.28 | Stanzilla | *eingine |
| 10:25.29 | Stanzilla | ENGINE |
| 10:25.30 | Stanzilla | god |
| 10:27.40 | zenzelezz | I know I'm easily amused, but this was amusing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh5K8jVmmDk |
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| 12:12.21 | zenzelezz | hey there peppy |
| 12:16.53 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, happy sunshine sparkly zenzelezz. |
| 12:17.05 | Lopeppeppy | That's your My Little Pony name. Or your Care Bear name, as you prefer. |
| 12:18.08 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 12:18.24 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh, bright morning to you, Fiskerboo. |
| 12:18.45 | Fisker | It is semi bright over here |
| 12:18.58 | Fisker | Meaning I have to use the curtains more |
| 12:26.56 | karl_w_w | ancient is a weird word |
| 12:27.04 | karl_w_w | look at that spelling |
| 12:27.10 | karl_w_w | it just doesn't seem right |
| 12:27.25 | Lopeppeppy | Half the words in the English language are messed up. |
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| 13:45.52 | VIad | <3 |
| 14:06.55 | karl_w_w | really VIad |
| 14:06.57 | karl_w_w | really |
| 14:07.21 | VIad | !§ |
| 14:07.22 | VIad | ofc |
| 14:07.24 | VIad | <3 karl_w_w |
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| 14:24.40 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/now_you_know.jpg |
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| 14:44.01 | karl_w_w | it would be really nice if youtube playlists remembered your autoplay setting |
| 14:44.31 | karl_w_w | but then there are so many bigger problems with youtube so one at a time I guess |
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| 14:52.06 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, please build me a time machine so that I can go back and do evil onto the person who invented Dreamweaver. |
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| 14:53.36 | Fisker | Can I hitch a ride and do evil onto the person who invented flash in webpage design as well Lopeppeppy ? |
| 14:53.49 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, good plan. |
| 14:54.57 | Fisker | \o/ |
| 14:56.36 | haste | but think of how many gems we'll loose then Fisker ! |
| 14:56.54 | haste | everything would go back to the old days |
| 14:57.08 | haste | with "You need randomwebsites.com plugin to see this content" |
| 14:57.38 | Fisker | lets kill that guy too |
| 15:00.24 | Simca | Fisker> Can I hitch a ride and do evil onto the person who invented flash in webpage design as well Lopeppeppy ? |
| 15:00.29 | Simca | Worse: ActiveX |
| 15:00.34 | kd3 | winces |
| 15:01.23 | Fisker | I wouldn't say there were a ton of those sites Simca |
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| 15:38.58 | g0urra | oh no, sony vegas needs more than 10GB RAM http://puu.sh/bNnmF/5d1b683546.png |
| 15:41.52 | Fisker | No problem |
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| 16:01.23 | karl_w_w | g0urra's fault for only having 10gb of ram |
| 16:01.46 | nevcairiel | how do you even have 10 gb of ram, 2x4+2, 5x2? :p |
| 16:02.31 | Fisker | 4x 2.5 GB |
| 16:02.44 | Fisker | Some of the chips fell off :/ |
| 16:02.52 | nevcairiel | ohok |
| 16:03.05 | kd3 | o_O |
| 16:03.18 | Stanzilla | 12 and ssd that takes 2 for turbo mode? |
| 16:03.43 | g0urra | karl_w_w: I have 16GB |
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| 16:18.59 | karl_w_w | out of interest what happened then g0urra? did vegas crash? |
| 16:19.09 | g0urra | nah, it just didn't render |
| 16:31.06 | Miiru | are the xp requierements to level on the ptr correct? oO |
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| 16:31.49 | nevcairiel | why wouldnt they |
| 16:31.50 | Miiru | 550k from 87 to 88 seems very very very low |
| 16:32.04 | kd3 | that's post-squish |
| 16:32.06 | kd3 | sounds about right |
| 16:32.07 | nevcairiel | the xp got a bit squished as well, you get less xp |
| 16:32.20 | nevcairiel | although i'm not really sure i understand how xp squish fits into the item squish |
| 16:32.26 | nevcairiel | i guess they just did it, because they could |
| 16:32.34 | Miiru | it was 16 millions at firt from 85 to 86 i read |
| 16:32.52 | Miiru | oh well good for me to level my 5 chars :) |
| 16:32.55 | Fisker | They probably scale exp rewards on attributes like health as well |
| 16:33.05 | nevcairiel | Miiru: mobs also give you less |
| 16:33.11 | nevcairiel | its not nerfed much as such |
| 16:33.17 | Mr_Rabies | also consider that the exp was a bit extended before because the expansion was 5 levels, this is a 10 level expansion |
| 16:33.22 | Mr_Rabies | oh wait |
| 16:33.25 | kd3 | here's a reference, a random level 90 quest in shadowmoon valley awards 13.7K xp. a level 90 quest in dread wastes awards 236k xp |
| 16:33.39 | kd3 | the latter is pre-squish, of course |
| 16:33.51 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't realize the pre-90 stuff got squished too |
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| 16:34.02 | Miiru | i just did 86 to 87 in 2 hours on ptr |
| 16:34.15 | kd3 | everything 60-90 got squished |
| 16:34.17 | Mr_Rabies | that takes me about the same on live |
| 16:34.26 | nevcairiel | yeah sounds about right |
| 16:34.43 | Mr_Rabies | 1 hour a level 85-90 if i have rest exp, double of course otherwise |
| 16:34.46 | karl_w_w | does that mean level 1 quests give like 1 xp now |
| 16:34.50 | kd3 | no |
| 16:34.59 | kd3 | a level 1 quest isn't in the 60-90 range of things that got squished |
| 16:35.11 | karl_w_w | ah |
| 16:35.14 | Miiru | weird strategie if they want to sell level boosts :D |
| 16:35.39 | kd3 | the first human quest, "Beating Them Back!" awards 500xp right now on live. it should be about the same amount on ptr/beta |
| 16:35.40 | Mr_Rabies | i still don't understand why they didn't add reputation gains to quest rewards when they redid the quest interface |
| 16:35.44 | Mr_Rabies | but whatever |
| 16:35.45 | nevcairiel | ... it doest really go much faster Miiru |
| 16:35.49 | nevcairiel | you also gain less |
| 16:36.02 | karl_w_w | so that makes grinding all the way up to 60 in azeroth good, instead of going to outland asap? |
| 16:36.13 | nevcairiel | same as the item squish doesnt make you weaker, sure your numbers are smaller, but the mobs also have less health |
| 16:36.14 | kd3 | you'll still probably go to outland at 58 |
| 16:36.35 | karl_w_w | i cant think of any other benefits then :P |
| 16:37.12 | nevcairiel | outland is kinda annoying as a weak level 58 without 'looms |
| 16:37.14 | kd3 | just that the numbers are more comprehensible, and so much of our power creep isn't tied up in the tier difference between MC and BWL, for instance |
| 16:38.03 | karl_w_w | were the last few levels a real pain in the ass pre-BC? |
| 16:38.18 | Mr_Rabies | the whole game really was a pain in the ass before tbc |
| 16:38.20 | Fisker | leveling was a pain in classic |
| 16:38.22 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 16:38.31 | Mr_Rabies | it took me like, 30 days played to get to 60 |
| 16:38.42 | kd3 | alts weren't really a thing for several expansions unless you lived wow |
| 16:38.48 | nevcairiel | i know it took ages to level, but of course it was my first MMO and new to the whole game and whatnot, so its hard to judge |
| 16:38.59 | karl_w_w | well i started during BC and it took about that long to get to 60 |
| 16:39.08 | Mr_Rabies | it was fun at the time, but in hindsight they've learned so much about game design since vanilla |
| 16:39.08 | Fisker | You ended up grinding mobs to level to 60 as I recall |
| 16:39.27 | Fisker | in TBC you could at least level through quests |
| 16:39.35 | Fisker | well maybe you could later in the vanilla cycle as well |
| 16:39.38 | Mr_Rabies | they didn't really change vanilla leveling in tbc until way, way into it if i recall |
| 16:39.54 | karl_w_w | ah yes i remember now |
| 16:39.56 | Fisker | Yeah I'm thinking 60-70 |
| 16:39.59 | nevcairiel | i know that we had a few 58s in UBRS often enough |
| 16:40.06 | nevcairiel | or LBRS or whichever |
| 16:40.09 | karl_w_w | they went through and made a lot of the tough quests soloable |
| 16:40.14 | Mr_Rabies | favorite thing to do in lowbie ubrs |
| 16:40.16 | karl_w_w | somewhere in bc |
| 16:40.18 | Mr_Rabies | is to use the ring |
| 16:40.20 | kd3 | back in 2.3 when they redid theramore |
| 16:40.24 | Mr_Rabies | and freak out newbies |
| 16:40.27 | kd3 | s/theramore/dustwallow/ |
| 16:40.40 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really remember what they redid in dustwallow, it seems pretty close even now |
| 16:40.43 | Mr_Rabies | oh, add mudsprocket |
| 16:40.53 | Mr_Rabies | and a few connecting roads so you don't have to do the slog |
| 16:41.14 | kd3 | and finally finish the missing diplomat quest chain |
| 16:41.18 | Mr_Rabies | what was where mudsprocket is now? |
| 16:41.22 | Mr_Rabies | sorta, not really finish it |
| 16:41.23 | kd3 | just more marsh |
| 16:41.31 | Mr_Rabies | it doesn't really get "finished" until varian shows back up |
| 16:43.05 | kd3 | here's pre- and post-2.3 dustwallow: http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/wowpedia.org/archive/a/a4/20080724203030!WorldMap-Dustwallow-old.jpg vs http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/wowpedia.org/a/a4/WorldMap-Dustwallow-old.jpg |
| 16:48.27 | nevcairiel | i knew it, curse is hydra! |
| 16:48.37 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: :P |
| 16:48.45 | Kaelten | name of our wiki farm platform built ontop of mediawiki |
| 16:48.50 | Kaelten | it has over 600 heads atm ;P |
| 16:49.13 | nevcairiel | you would end up with a lot of heads with the cut one off, two grow in its place rule |
| 16:51.08 | Fisker | hey Kaelten |
| 16:51.24 | Kaelten | yeah we've only cut down like 10 heads |
| 16:51.29 | Kaelten | it's just growing more all the time |
| 16:51.55 | pompy | http://www.kitguru.net/gaming/security-software/matthew-wilson/new-os-x-and-linux-bug-could-be-worse-than-heartbleed/ |
| 16:53.16 | Fisker | yep |
| 16:53.33 | nevcairiel | poor admins have to work late again and update all the systems |
| 16:54.43 | pompy | indeed |
| 16:54.53 | Fisker | nah nevcairiel |
| 16:55.09 | nevcairiel | ALL THE SYSTEMS Fisker |
| 16:55.21 | Fisker | I don't see why |
| 16:56.13 | Lopeppeppy | EVERY single one. |
| 16:56.14 | Lopeppeppy | Right now. |
| 16:56.19 | Lopeppeppy | Demanding Peppy is demanding. |
| 16:56.38 | Fisker | :O |
| 16:56.41 | kd3 | meh, hopefully all the aws instances that are getting rebooted have the new bash |
| 16:57.04 | Fisker | Why are you so demanding Lopeppeppy ? |
| 16:58.50 | Lopeppeppy | The usual answer is "why not?" |
| 16:59.32 | Fisker | So you're gonna do what you do every night Lopeppeppy? |
| 17:01.27 | Lopeppeppy | Take over the world and laugh as they die screaming. *nods* |
| 17:01.57 | Fisker | roh roh |
| 17:17.27 | pompy | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/4354-New-Feature-Incoming-Undelete-Character-New-Feature-Incoming-Undelete-Character |
| 17:17.57 | nevcairiel | boooring |
| 17:18.12 | pompy | haha |
| 17:18.21 | Semlar | how about "free transfer to another server" every 30 days |
| 17:18.44 | Fisker | how about no? |
| 17:19.01 | Semlar | oh okay |
| 17:19.36 | pompy | someone commented: "Hrmm. With all these things generally done by GMs being streamlined into character services, I anticipate another wave of lay-offs to their customer service department here soon." |
| 17:20.20 | nevcairiel | thats usually what new tools are there for |
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| 17:28.33 | Simca | that feature has been fully functional since April in the alpha client |
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| 17:30.47 | Fisker | I'll april you in may Simca |
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| 18:03.48 | Torhal | I may june you, Fisker. |
| 18:04.14 | Fisker | I'll cut you |
| 18:05.09 | Fisker | But Torhal are you hyped? |
| 18:05.26 | Torhal | Nah. Everything that's hyped usually turns out to be a disappointment. |
| 18:05.43 | Fisker | Yeah I know |
| 18:06.28 | Arrowmaster | i havent bought a new game in so long because of that |
| 18:06.39 | Arrowmaster | and the last one i bought was such a disappointment |
| 18:07.35 | Fisker | Are you hyped though? |
| 18:16.26 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: depends on what it is to be hyped about |
| 18:16.29 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: So you stopped buying CEs like candy? |
| 18:16.34 | Fisker | Blizzcon |
| 18:16.39 | Arrowmaster | TC-Work: yeah |
| 18:17.17 | Arrowmaster | only hyped to punch you at blizzcon |
| 18:18.16 | Arrowmaster | got other more important stuff going on than to be hyped for the con itself, i only go for the people |
| 18:19.26 | Fisker | You know violence is rude, right? |
| 18:20.14 | TC-Work | It would seem only to punch the people. |
| 18:20.47 | Arrowmaster | i know, typically its polite to get permission first |
| 18:22.52 | kd3 | haha, wow. "Obama addresses falling oil prices". http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/24/world/meast/us-airstrikes/index.html |
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| 18:35.56 | g0urra | I think this is the first US military action I can get behind |
| 18:36.47 | Stanzilla | I would support nuking syria |
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| 18:37.33 | Fisker | I will abstain since I'm going to the us |
| 18:37.47 | zenzelezz | I wonder how many decades it will take before people stop using "-gate" for every misadventure |
| 18:38.05 | Fisker | Never ;( |
| 18:38.32 | Fisker | Unless it becomes like sexual innuendo and they have to stop using it |
| 18:38.33 | g0urra | Fapgate |
| 18:38.39 | Fisker | ^^ |
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| 18:43.48 | Fisker | Going to blizzcon g0urra ? |
| 18:43.54 | g0urra | yes |
| 18:44.21 | Fisker | Good |
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| 21:00.01 | foxlit | so, hope in Icelandic. |
| 21:04.53 | TC-Work | ~lart foxlit |
| 21:04.53 | purl | cuts off foxlit's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
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| 22:13.02 | Neffi | these are pretty cool http://imgur.com/gallery/w98sQ |
| 22:15.44 | Primer | no, they're not |
| 22:16.12 | Primer | I had read them earlier, and while it started off OK, it got really bad towards the end |
| 22:16.32 | Neffi | yeah, the last few are pretty stupid |
| 22:18.29 | zenzelezz | Neffi: cool |
| 22:19.20 | zenzelezz | protip: before shooting a mob to get its attention, remember that WotLK-era mobs die in one shot. Poor Loque'Nahak never stood a chance |
| 22:41.08 | Jamash | yay, http://wowpedia.org/Aspect_of_the_Fox is back |
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| 23:07.10 | Shirik | http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-09/24/15/enhanced/webdr08/enhanced-buzz-26148-1411587408-15.jpg |
| 23:07.33 | Shirik | Jamash: But what do you say when you cast the spell? |
| 23:18.29 | Neffi | *finally*, WoW/bnet app don't leave their files around on uninstall |
| 23:18.48 | Neffi | ah, strike that, they left shit around after all |
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| 23:30.20 | Jamash | Shirik: I like to move while casting, move while casting |
| 23:30.54 | Jamash | can't hunters already move while doing, uh, everything? |
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| 23:38.49 | Shirik | Mileage:Unlimited |
| 23:38.49 | Shirik | ADDITIONAL MILEAGE CHARGE:0.20 per Mile |
| 23:39.00 | Shirik | Only $0.20 for every mile after I reach the edge of the universe; not bad |
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| 23:51.05 | relaxok | can anybody figure out where the ChatFrame1Background texture gets its alpha from? |
| 23:51.21 | relaxok | i don't see it anywhere in the xml or lua |
| 23:51.34 | relaxok | to me it's just all white |
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| 23:55.59 | relaxok | i guess i SORTA found it but doesnt seem to happen |
| 23:56.12 | relaxok | FCF_SetWindowAlpha |
